So let me get this straight. He says he CANNOT send you the refund because he needs to spend it on bills? And yet he makes a post on the 15th of this month about how he is going to buy a nearly $300 monitor with birthday money?
That's sure nice of him.......
Hope you can figure something out, was that a goods invoice? I would think about disputing the transaction if I were you.
last picture on the imgur linkSo let me get this straight. He says he CANNOT send you the refund because he needs to spend it on bills? And yet he makes a post on the 15th of this month about how he is going to buy a nearly $300 monitor with birthday money?
That's sure nice of him.......
Hope you can figure something out, was that a goods invoice? I would think about disputing the transaction if I were you.
no one said nothing about bills..
Did you bother to read the pms in the imgur album? It clearly mentions them thereSo let me get this straight. He says he CANNOT send you the refund because he needs to spend it on bills? And yet he makes a post on the 15th of this month about how he is going to buy a nearly $300 monitor with birthday money?
That's sure nice of him.......
Hope you can figure something out, was that a goods invoice? I would think about disputing the transaction if I were you.
no one said nothing about bills..
last picture on the imgur linkSo let me get this straight. He says he CANNOT send you the refund because he needs to spend it on bills? And yet he makes a post on the 15th of this month about how he is going to buy a nearly $300 monitor with birthday money?
That's sure nice of him.......
Hope you can figure something out, was that a goods invoice? I would think about disputing the transaction if I were you.
no one said nothing about bills..
He mentions his bills in the last picture. There is another PM he sent me which explicitly states he could not give me my refund yet because of his bills but I decided to leave that one out. I understand that he has bills to pay but looking at what HPE1000 said about the monitor kind of ticks me off. No I don't believe it was a goods invoice.So let me get this straight. He says he CANNOT send you the refund because he needs to spend it on bills? And yet he makes a post on the 15th of this month about how he is going to buy a nearly $300 monitor with birthday money?
That's sure nice of him.......
Hope you can figure something out, was that a goods invoice? I would think about disputing the transaction if I were you.
no one said nothing about bills..
So essentially guys, it was my birthday yesterday and I've been eyeing up this monitor: http://www.amazon.com/Asus-VG248QE-24-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B00B2HH7G0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1426445419&sr=8-1&keywords=Asus+VG248QE+24-inch for quite some time now.
Now i've heard that the transition from 60hz to 120/144hz is rather good, especially for games such as CS:GO (which I play a lot of, especially surrounding the competitive scene). Now, what I don't want to happen is for me to go out and spend a lot of money on a monitor and for the upgrade to not be worth it. I'm all for buying expensive upgrades for my computer (hardware or peripheral based), but if it's only going to be a slight upgrade, then I don't think it's entirely worth it.
Have you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.
Have you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
this was done through classifieds?
doesn't that mean he explicitly SHOULD NOT go to the mods and admins?
No, I do not believe Fragil1ty meant for this to happen. I honestly believe he is a stand-up guy. The intention of this post was not to make him out as a scammer. As for leadership and talking with others privately, I did message him about two weeks ago and still have not received an answer.I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
this was done through classifieds?
doesn't that mean he explicitly SHOULD NOT go to the mods and admins?
I dont understand your meaning, what is your basis?
Sadly these threads are necessary from time to time.I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
this was done through classifieds?
doesn't that mean he explicitly SHOULD NOT go to the mods and admins?
I dont understand your meaning, what is your basis?
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More than likely a mod would just refer to TOS, if they even respond.I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
this was done through classifieds?
doesn't that mean he explicitly SHOULD NOT go to the mods and admins?
I dont understand your meaning, what is your basis?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56284.0
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look man lets calm down. I am not saying that we should go whining to the mods saying "I want my money back, get me my money back." I know that if I sent a note to Hoff or any other admin saying "I have had a bad experience with a user who hasnt provided me a refund, what do you think should be my plan of action?" or something to that effect Im sure I could get a thoughtful response.
More than likely a mod would just refer to TOS.I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
this was done through classifieds?
doesn't that mean he explicitly SHOULD NOT go to the mods and admins?
I dont understand your meaning, what is your basis?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56284.0
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GEEKHACK.ORG ACCEPTS NO LIABILITY FOR LOSSES RELATED TO OR RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM OR FOR ANY TRANSACTION RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM.
Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) <- Wikipedia link.
look man lets calm down. I am not saying that we should go whining to the mods saying "I want my money back, get me my money back." I know that if I sent a note to Hoff or any other admin saying "I have had a bad experience with a user who hasnt provided me a refund, what do you think should be my plan of action?" or something to that effect Im sure I could get a thoughtful response.
Isn't that exactly what you just implied? If that is the case, what help would you get specifically talking to a mod rather than anyone else on this website?More than likely a mod would just refer to TOS.I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
this was done through classifieds?
doesn't that mean he explicitly SHOULD NOT go to the mods and admins?
I dont understand your meaning, what is your basis?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56284.0
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GEEKHACK.ORG ACCEPTS NO LIABILITY FOR LOSSES RELATED TO OR RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM OR FOR ANY TRANSACTION RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM.
Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) <- Wikipedia link.
look man lets calm down. I am not saying that we should go whining to the mods saying "I want my money back, get me my money back." I know that if I sent a note to Hoff or any other admin saying "I have had a bad experience with a user who hasnt provided me a refund, what do you think should be my plan of action?" or something to that effect Im sure I could get a thoughtful response.
An ounce of kindness goes a long ways, a nice note asking an honest question will receive attention from my experience. There is no reason for us to portray the mods as rulers. They too are members of our community, they are willing to contribute and give advice like the rest of us.
Isn't that exactly what you just implied? If that is the case, what help would you get specifically talking to a mod rather than anyone else on this website?More than likely a mod would just refer to TOS.I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
this was done through classifieds?
doesn't that mean he explicitly SHOULD NOT go to the mods and admins?
I dont understand your meaning, what is your basis?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56284.0
In accordance with the site's Terms of Service, Moderators will not step in to mediate transactions gone bad, however if you wish to report something you see that is against the forum’s Terms of Service and the guidelines in this post, please do so via the “Report to Moderator” button. (Example)
GEEKHACK.ORG ACCEPTS NO LIABILITY FOR LOSSES RELATED TO OR RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM OR FOR ANY TRANSACTION RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM.
Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) <- Wikipedia link.
look man lets calm down. I am not saying that we should go whining to the mods saying "I want my money back, get me my money back." I know that if I sent a note to Hoff or any other admin saying "I have had a bad experience with a user who hasnt provided me a refund, what do you think should be my plan of action?" or something to that effect Im sure I could get a thoughtful response.
An ounce of kindness goes a long ways, a nice note asking an honest question will receive attention from my experience. There is no reason for us to portray the mods as rulers. They too are members of our community, they are willing to contribute and give advice like the rest of us.
Haha most mods haven't even been here all that long.Isn't that exactly what you just implied? If that is the case, what help would you get specifically talking to a mod rather than anyone else on this website?More than likely a mod would just refer to TOS.I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
this was done through classifieds?
doesn't that mean he explicitly SHOULD NOT go to the mods and admins?
I dont understand your meaning, what is your basis?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56284.0
In accordance with the site's Terms of Service, Moderators will not step in to mediate transactions gone bad, however if you wish to report something you see that is against the forum’s Terms of Service and the guidelines in this post, please do so via the “Report to Moderator” button. (Example)
GEEKHACK.ORG ACCEPTS NO LIABILITY FOR LOSSES RELATED TO OR RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM OR FOR ANY TRANSACTION RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM.
Caveat emptor (Buyer Beware) <- Wikipedia link.
look man lets calm down. I am not saying that we should go whining to the mods saying "I want my money back, get me my money back." I know that if I sent a note to Hoff or any other admin saying "I have had a bad experience with a user who hasnt provided me a refund, what do you think should be my plan of action?" or something to that effect Im sure I could get a thoughtful response.
An ounce of kindness goes a long ways, a nice note asking an honest question will receive attention from my experience. There is no reason for us to portray the mods as rulers. They too are members of our community, they are willing to contribute and give advice like the rest of us.
They are guaranteed sources of experience and knowledge relating to the site. They are easy for new users to find as well. Sure if you have a friend who has been on GH for a while, talk to them!
I am going to stop speaking on behalf of the moderators, if one of them would like to comment.
Well I don't know about PMs but most of the private information is blanked out.Except he doesn't have the board, he already sold it to lechnerde who has the board in his possession.
Fragility's name is listed publicly in his signature so there's no real privacy issue about that.
Although I think Fragility's behavior is repulsive, self-serving and contradictory. There is really no need to start this thread.The simple answer is just file a paypal complaint and let them deal with it.
At the end of the day, the result is that fragility didn't deliver the board to you and actually still has the board in his possession.
Mod's don't really do this. They can't really enforce anything (financially speaking I mean) here.
You need to deal with Paypal and/or your financial institution. In your case you'll get your money back.
That's as simple as that and what you should do if you haven't already.
Don't wait any longer. Enough time has already passed for this to be considered "reasonable" by any sort of standard.
You should file the complaint. I could understand if the seller asked you to wait until the the board was actually returned to him physically but as that's no longer the issue.
The seller having these inadvertent issues during shipping is really unfortunate. Although, the keyboard wasn't damaged and pretty much the seller's time was the only thing that was really lost here.
The seller is responsible to getting the board to you. If this was a case where the buyer and seller have a disagreement after the buyer has received the board, that's something that's more open to debate depending on the circumstances.
The seller has his board back and in this case it never touched your hands (it wasn't a return, exchange or something like that) then he should send your money back.
Fragility has his board back (physically) and OP doesn't have his money back. That's the "transaction" aspect side of this. It's very clear cut in this situation.
As for this moral bull****, Fragility's in the wrong here no matter which way you dice it.
The seller is ultimately responsible responsible until the board reaches the buyer. That being said, most people are reasonable and understanding if accidents happen while the board is in transit. The seller should have little leeway if the seller couldn't have reasonably prevented and expected whatever unfortunate event happened.
If the board wasn't back in Fragility's hands I could understand this but again this isn't the case.
If you have your board back, then you refund the buyer. If you don't have the financial means to do so - that's your problem and responsibility not the buyer's. You cannot use this an excuse to withhold a refund.
You can't use other obligations such as bills to delay issuing a refund. You're not borrowing money from a friend here, you sold a board which is back in your hands.
You can't ask the original buyer to wait until you've completed your sale of the original board until paying the buyer back.
The argument that fragility desperately needs the money to pay bills or something is a 2 way street. The OP may in fact need this money as well for some purpose in his life. If you subscribe to the thought that Fragility or well "Have you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user?" You need to understand that Fragility is tying tofu's funds in the same manner that you phrased this question. Fragility is holding his funds while he has his board back.
I feel like such a moral arbiter writing this and I have no morals.
Looking at this thread though, I'm a little worried that people don't perceive and abide by proper business guidelines or even just common sense.
I'm more than a little concerned that some people here think it's okay to take liberties with other people's money during sales.
So can he complain to paypal if OP paid as gift? Did OP pay as gift? If not, harder to enforce.no one here is saying he shouldn't be upset, they're just saying OP could have dealt with it better
Still the whole thing went like this:
OP bought item, never received.
Frag said he would refund, never did.
Frag used that money for something else.
Frag has now sold the same board again to someone else, and has that someone's money.
Frag is now throwing dollas at a new monitor.
So tell me again why some of you think the OP shouldn't be upset?
Except he doesn't have the board, he already sold it to lechnerde who has the board in his possession.
Well I don't know about PMs but most of the private information is blanked out.Except he doesn't have the board, he already sold it to lechnerde who has the board in his possession.
Fragility's name is listed publicly in his signature so there's no real privacy issue about that.
Although I think Fragility's behavior is repulsive, self-serving and contradictory. There is really no need to start this thread.The simple answer is just file a paypal complaint and let them deal with it.
At the end of the day, the result is that fragility didn't deliver the board to you and actually still has the board in his possession.
Mod's don't really do this. They can't really enforce anything (financially speaking I mean) here.
You need to deal with Paypal and/or your financial institution. In your case you'll get your money back.
That's as simple as that and what you should do if you haven't already.
Don't wait any longer. Enough time has already passed for this to be considered "reasonable" by any sort of standard.
You should file the complaint. I could understand if the seller asked you to wait until the the board was actually returned to him physically but as that's no longer the issue.
The seller having these inadvertent issues during shipping is really unfortunate. Although, the keyboard wasn't damaged and pretty much the seller's time was the only thing that was really lost here.
The seller is responsible to getting the board to you. If this was a case where the buyer and seller have a disagreement after the buyer has received the board, that's something that's more open to debate depending on the circumstances.
The seller has his board back and in this case it never touched your hands (it wasn't a return, exchange or something like that) then he should send your money back.
Fragility has his board back (physically) and OP doesn't have his money back. That's the "transaction" aspect side of this. It's very clear cut in this situation.
As for this moral bull****, Fragility's in the wrong here no matter which way you dice it.
The seller is ultimately responsible responsible until the board reaches the buyer. That being said, most people are reasonable and understanding if accidents happen while the board is in transit. The seller should have little leeway if the seller couldn't have reasonably prevented and expected whatever unfortunate event happened.
If the board wasn't back in Fragility's hands I could understand this but again this isn't the case.
If you have your board back, then you refund the buyer. If you don't have the financial means to do so - that's your problem and responsibility not the buyer's. You cannot use this an excuse to withhold a refund.
You can't use other obligations such as bills to delay issuing a refund. You're not borrowing money from a friend here, you sold a board which is back in your hands.
You can't ask the original buyer to wait until you've completed your sale of the original board until paying the buyer back.
The argument that fragility desperately needs the money to pay bills or something is a 2 way street. The OP may in fact need this money as well for some purpose in his life. If you subscribe to the thought that Fragility or well "Have you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user?" You need to understand that Fragility is tying tofu's funds in the same manner that you phrased this question. Fragility is holding his funds while he has his board back.
I feel like such a moral arbiter writing this and I have no morals.
Looking at this thread though, I'm a little worried that people don't perceive and abide by proper business guidelines or even just common sense.
I'm more than a little concerned that some people here think it's okay to take liberties with other people's money during sales.
Are you kidding me? WHAT better thing could have been done? Continue to sit back and be ignored/strung along? Last message he got was over a month ago (frag also got his money from lechner a month ago). OP bought the thing at the beginning of december.So can he complain to paypal if OP paid as gift? Did OP pay as gift? If not, harder to enforce.no one here is saying he shouldn't be upset, they're just saying OP could have dealt with it better
Still the whole thing went like this:
OP bought item, never received.
Frag said he would refund, never did.
Frag used that money for something else.
Frag has now sold the same board again to someone else, and has that someone's money.
Frag is now throwing dollas at a new monitor.
So tell me again why some of you think the OP shouldn't be upset?
Are you kidding me? WHAT better thing could have been done? Continue to sit back and be ignored/strung along? Last message he got was over a month ago (frag also got his money from lechner a month ago). OP bought the thing at the beginning of december.So can he complain to paypal if OP paid as gift? Did OP pay as gift? If not, harder to enforce.no one here is saying he shouldn't be upset, they're just saying OP could have dealt with it better
Still the whole thing went like this:
OP bought item, never received.
Frag said he would refund, never did.
Frag used that money for something else.
Frag has now sold the same board again to someone else, and has that someone's money.
Frag is now throwing dollas at a new monitor.
So tell me again why some of you think the OP shouldn't be upset?
Frag has been active this whole time on top of it, looking to spend 2x the money on something he doesnt need. Frag is also making OP suck up the shipping fees he lost, which I don't agree with. Nothing he has done deserves any more patience/respect from the buyer. Don't give me that.
oh weird I forgot that I said that he should have handled it better, my mistake. I said that people were implying that, not that it was necessarily trueAre you kidding me? WHAT better thing could have been done? Continue to sit back and be ignored/strung along? Last message he got was over a month ago (frag also got his money from lechner a month ago). OP bought the thing at the beginning of december.So can he complain to paypal if OP paid as gift? Did OP pay as gift? If not, harder to enforce.no one here is saying he shouldn't be upset, they're just saying OP could have dealt with it better
Still the whole thing went like this:
OP bought item, never received.
Frag said he would refund, never did.
Frag used that money for something else.
Frag has now sold the same board again to someone else, and has that someone's money.
Frag is now throwing dollas at a new monitor.
So tell me again why some of you think the OP shouldn't be upset?
Frag has been active this whole time on top of it, looking to spend 2x the money on something he doesnt need. Frag is also making OP suck up the shipping fees he lost, which I don't agree with. Nothing he has done deserves any more patience/respect from the buyer. Don't give me that.
TL;DR pay as merchandise
i'm just going to 'speak up' on the pay as goods thing.isn't even untracked mail that's heavy like a keyboard gonna cost up there anyway? haven't shipped something like that cross-atlantic in a while so I'm not totally sure
remember that this is between a canadian and a european. NOT between american and american.
if europe to canada is as bad as canada to europe, then paying with goods [properly] would have required tracking which would have cost upwards of $40-$50 USD with proper packaging.
yes...people are going to say 'suck it up'....i'm not trying to defend one side or the other. facts are good yes?
i'm just going to 'speak up' on the pay as goods thing.isn't even untracked mail that's heavy like a keyboard gonna cost up there anyway? haven't shipped something like that cross-atlantic in a while so I'm not totally sure
remember that this is between a canadian and a european. NOT between american and american.
if europe to canada is as bad as canada to europe, then paying with goods [properly] would have required tracking which would have cost upwards of $40-$50 USD with proper packaging.
yes...people are going to say 'suck it up'....i'm not trying to defend one side or the other. facts are good yes?
To OP and anyone else reading one thing to learn here is don't pay as gift.
This thread makes me think of this quote from Rounders:
So I've just received a message from OP regarding this thread so I thought I'd step in and give my two cents, bear in mind I have no had a message from OP since February, proof here:Split the lost shipping with him then, if it wasn't your fault, it also isn't OP's fault.
(http://danielclarkedesigns.co/images/20150320133228703.png) (http://danielclarkedesigns.co/images/20150320133228703.png) [1]
Now I want to throw this out there, I have been on GH for a fairly long period of time, during that time, I've sold lots of keyboards ranging from Choc minis, HHKB's, Keycool84's and even mice, I have never, ever had an issue gone awry as this has.
Now I do have money spare here from my birthday, funds that I could quite easily refund the OP for, but the simple fact is, he has gone and made a post about all of this posting some of my personal information (my name and my personal e-mail address) and despite him having my e-mail address, I have received 0 emails from him about this matter.
Now I like this community, I like being a part of it as it's quite a good one. I have every intention of paying back the OP, but as I previously specified, I'm deducting the shipping charges because I paid for them plain and simple, it's not my fault that crap went south during the shipping process.
I can see how this may look like I'm trying to be a bit of an ass surrounding this whole incident, but I am a man of my word and he will get his payment.
I wont be paying you today as I will be paying you within the next 2 weeks. I don't appreciate threads being made about me that tarnish my reputation here on the forums, I don't appreciate my personal information being released because you are frustrated, you took the time to black out information of yours, but you didn't take the time to do the same to me? Hm, I know I'm in the wrong here, but that's a bit of a **** move also.
I would throw in why I have been inactive here, but it's down to personal reasons and I don't want any sympathy. I would like to thank people who have saw both sides and not jumped to conclusions, I hope this can be resolved relatively soon, it has gone on long enough and that's partially my fault due to complications and money issues, but as I specified above, I will get this sorted ASAP.
Thank you for reading this and thank you for your patience. @op
I'm trying to be a bit of an ass
Now I'm with OP.
Now I'm with OP.
Who wouldn't?
Fragil1ty you say that it's not your fault for the problems with the shipping, so are you saying that it's crimsonTofu's fault? You are the seller you have all the responsibility in this affair. The only responsibility of the buyer is to pay for the goods that he never received. So he should not have to pay for a problem in the shipping, you should.
Your argument for not receiving another message from is invalid as far as I'm concerned since you told him "You'll get your money when you get your money", that clearly shows you are not willing to talk.
It's also your fault you spent the money before confirming that crimsonTofu had the keyboard.
I can only see you as in the wrong on this particular case, so please do the right thing and give him back his money and let's just all try to forget this all happened
Pathetic
Pathetic
Thank you for your input, have a nice day.
So I've just received a message from OP regarding this thread so I thought I'd step in and give my two cents, bear in mind I have no had a message from OP since February, proof here:(http://i.imgur.com/eFuXM0O.png)
(http://danielclarkedesigns.co/images/20150320133228703.png) (http://danielclarkedesigns.co/images/20150320133228703.png) [1]
Now I want to throw this out there, I have been on GH for a fairly long period of time, during that time, I've sold lots of keyboards ranging from Choc minis, HHKB's, Keycool84's and even mice, I have never, ever had an issue gone awry as this has.
Now I do have money spare here from my birthday, funds that I could quite easily refund the OP for, but the simple fact is, he has gone and made a post about all of this posting some of my personal information (my name and my personal e-mail address) and despite him having my e-mail address, I have received 0 emails from him about this matter.
Now I like this community, I like being a part of it as it's quite a good one. I have every intention of paying back the OP, but as I previously specified, I'm deducting the shipping charges because I paid for them plain and simple, it's not my fault that crap went south during the shipping process.
I can see how this may look like I'm trying to be a bit of an ass surrounding this whole incident, but I am a man of my word and he will get his payment.
I wont be paying you today as I will be paying you within the next 2 weeks. I don't appreciate threads being made about me that tarnish my reputation here on the forums, I don't appreciate my personal information being released because you are frustrated, you took the time to black out information of yours, but you didn't take the time to do the same to me? Hm, I know I'm in the wrong here, but that's a bit of a **** move also.
I would throw in why I have been inactive here, but it's down to personal reasons and I don't want any sympathy. I would like to thank people who have saw both sides and not jumped to conclusions, I hope this can be resolved relatively soon, it has gone on long enough and that's partially my fault due to complications and money issues, but as I specified above, I will get this sorted ASAP.
Thank you for reading this and thank you for your patience. @op
Pathetic
Thank you for your input, have a nice day.
The amazing thing is you promised the guy a refund multiple times through pm and your still dragging this out. People like you give the classifieds here a bad reputation.
And what happened to that code that was to allow you a refund on postage you mentioned?
Pathetic
Thank you for your input, have a nice day.
The amazing thing is you promised the guy a refund multiple times through pm and your still dragging this out. People like you give the classifieds here a bad reputation.
And what happened to that code that was to allow you a refund on postage you mentioned?
you passive aggressive ****, man up/girl up, loser
you passive aggressive ****, man up/girl up, loserIf he wants to act like a child he is free do to so, but he is just showing exactly why this thread was necessary.
ITT Fragil1ty is so in the wrong he can't come up with legitimate responsesPathetic
Thank you for your input, have a nice day.
I have nothing more to say to any of you (mostly half-wits).Also ITT Fragil1ty starts to insult people when they call him out on his bull****
@crimsonTofu, you will be contacted over the next couple of days regarding payment.
Have a nice day everybody.
I have nothing more to say to any of you (mostly half-wits).
@crimsonTofu, you will be contacted over the next couple of days regarding payment.
Have a nice day everybody.
I posted link aboveHave you perhaps thought of the possibility that he is trying to resell it now so that he can give the refund to this user? Perhaps we stop this witch hunt nonsense and allow these things to go up with the moderators first.He sold it again already to lechner
And its still up on classifieds? Has Lechner received the board?
Well it seems then that he isnt full of mal-intent. He clearly DID intend on selling the board. I am not going to mention the morality of his spending habits, but I doubt he is doing this all just to scam this user. As I said, I find it deeply worrying that the community uses these means to root out poor situations in our community instead of first going to leadership or talking with others privately.
this was done through classifieds?
doesn't that mean he explicitly SHOULD NOT go to the mods and admins?
I dont understand your meaning, what is your basis?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56284.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56284.0)
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GG
No sir as you can see all I said is GG. Please do not tarnish my reputation here as I have been around a long time and had many good transactions selling keyboards and mice.GG
I seen what you did there :shiftyeyes:
GG
No sir as you can see all I said is GG. Please do not tarnish my reputation here as I have been around a long time and had many good transactions selling keyboards and mice.GG
I seen what you did there :shiftyeyes:
Btw contacting mods for concerns like this doesn't hurt weather this post was made or not. Mods are quite helpful when it comes to advice and you would be surprised how helpful they can become in matters like these even if they aren't obligated to help you out. I just thought I'd mention that. :thumb:
What I meant was just to ask for advice and suggestions even if they can't exactly intervene.
What I meant was just to ask for advice and suggestions even if they can't exactly intervene.
No sir as you can see all I said is GG. Please do not tarnish my reputation here as I have been around a long time and had many good transactions selling keyboards and mice.GG
I seen what you did there :shiftyeyes:
Good situation I didn't save that photo then. #evillaugh
No sir as you can see all I said is GG. Please do not tarnish my reputation here as I have been around a long time and had many good transactions selling keyboards and mice.GG
I seen what you did there :shiftyeyes:
Good situation I didn't save that photo then. #evillaugh
Mod Edit: Doxing is not okay
IN THIS POST : ITALICS
IN THIS POST : ITALICS
I mean, this is better than not refunding him, but you must see that you're being a complete ******* by doing this. Him publicly shaming you because of your own **** ups isn't reason enough to hold onto his cash. Public shaming is an effective method of making unresponsive people respond. You proved it yourself by finally responding after he posted this.
This isn't the first time you've ****ed someone over though, is it? Remember when you sold AGMurdercore a Noppoo? You listed it as having a bouncing T switch, no other problems. What he got was a Noppoo with a cracked case. Don't blame this on the shipping. After looking at your ****ty sale pictures, it was there. You just didn't mention it. This'll be the first you've heard about it though since he kept it to himself, purely because he didn't want to deal with you any more.
Your actions are as slimy and fishy as your appearance.
inb4:
Mod Edit: Doxing is not okay
To be honest, I'm not sure why I even bothered responding. You can't reason with slimy fishmen.
RektIN THIS POST : ITALICS
I mean, this is better than not refunding him, but you must see that you're being a complete ******* by doing this. Him publicly shaming you because of your own **** ups isn't reason enough to hold onto his cash. Public shaming is an effective method of making unresponsive people respond. You proved it yourself by finally responding after he posted this.
This isn't the first time you've ****ed someone over though, is it? Remember when you sold AGMurdercore a Noppoo? You listed it as having a bouncing T switch, no other problems. What he got was a Noppoo with a cracked case. Don't blame this on the shipping. After looking at your ****ty sale pictures, it was there. You just didn't mention it. This'll be the first you've heard about it though since he kept it to himself, purely because he didn't want to deal with you any more.
Your actions are as slimy and fishy as your appearance.
inb4:
Mod Edit: Doxing is not okay
To be honest, I'm not sure why I even bothered responding. You can't reason with slimy fishmen.
RektIN THIS POST : ITALICS
I mean, this is better than not refunding him, but you must see that you're being a complete ******* by doing this. Him publicly shaming you because of your own **** ups isn't reason enough to hold onto his cash. Public shaming is an effective method of making unresponsive people respond. You proved it yourself by finally responding after he posted this.
This isn't the first time you've ****ed someone over though, is it? Remember when you sold AGMurdercore a Noppoo? You listed it as having a bouncing T switch, no other problems. What he got was a Noppoo with a cracked case. Don't blame this on the shipping. After looking at your ****ty sale pictures, it was there. You just didn't mention it. This'll be the first you've heard about it though since he kept it to himself, purely because he didn't want to deal with you any more.
Your actions are as slimy and fishy as your appearance.
inb4:
Mod Edit: Doxing is not okay
To be honest, I'm not sure why I even bothered responding. You can't reason with slimy fishmen.
Thank you for your input
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In b4:
For your input thanks you.
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he will do him I guess.
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he will do him I guess.
What this mean?
If the guy comes back to this thread (which let's be honest, he more than likely will, we all have an act for being curious) and he sees all of this stuff being posted about him, personal stuff no less, wont he be even harder to deal with and the prospect of getting any kind of a refund for OP will be a long, long shot. He was being difficult and hard to cope with before, this is just going to make things 100x worse in my opinion.Agreed, shame is a powerful motivator until fragil1ty sees a bunch of people mocking him for how he looks, ragequits GH, and runs away with OPs money. He's already proven he can't handle a transaction-gone-awry in the best manner, so let's not make it harder for OP to get his money back. If this were me, I'd be asking you guys to remove the pictures stat.
But hey, you guys do you and he will do him I guess.
Good luck OP, you're going to need it after this thread.
I have messaged Fragil1ty once again and have offered to lock the thread upon receipt of a full refund.
I believe Fragility is -kids- age..I can understand why you'd make that assumption, going by the way he speaks. But nope.. he's an adult. He can't use his age as an excuse. Mental age, however, is a possible excuse..
I believe Fragility is -kids- age..I can understand why you'd make that assumption, going by the way he speaks. But nope.. he's an adult. He can't use his age as an excuse. Mental age, however, is a possible excuse..
Thanks for your input gaizs my new monitor is kickass dood.thanks for reading my ****ing reviews in case you didnt know these keyboards were infact keyboards
i would know since i'm 19.
i think the takeaway from this thread is: if you want to let other people know you're mad in a passive aggressive way, type in full italics
Idk why but I can't seem to see the visual difference when something is italicized. Is there something wrong with my brain? Is it just me?
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More than likely a mod would just refer to TOSWe have to avoid giving input in these cases, on an official level, due to liability. Caveat Emptor is expressly quoted in the Classifieds rules for a reason. That said, I personally am willing to give advice on a case-by-case basis, as a community member. However, in this case there is very little to be done other than create a thread like this.
if they even respond.I don't know why you continue to bash the mod team like this, but I'd appreciate if you would stop. I always respond to your PMs, and although I can't confirm that the rest of the team does, I do know that it's really not relevant to this thread at all, other than stirring drama. Thank you for your input
For the record, Doxing is not okay and the images of Fragil1ty that have been posted in this thread have been removed. It's pretty clear that what he did is not okay, but that doesn't mean he should be subjected to Doxing.More than likely a mod would just refer to TOSWe have to avoid giving input in these cases, on an official level, due to liability. Caveat Emptor is expressly quoted in the Classifieds rules for a reason. That said, I personally am willing to give advice on a case-by-case basis, as a community member. However, in this case there is very little to be done other than create a thread like this.if they even respond.I don't know why you continue to bash the mod team like this, but I'd appreciate if you would stop. I always respond to your PMs, and although I can't confirm that the rest of the team does, I do know that it's really not relevant to this thread at all, other than stirring drama. Thank you for your input
Pm'dFor the record, Doxing is not okay and the images of Fragil1ty that have been posted in this thread have been removed. It's pretty clear that what he did is not okay, but that doesn't mean he should be subjected to Doxing.More than likely a mod would just refer to TOSWe have to avoid giving input in these cases, on an official level, due to liability. Caveat Emptor is expressly quoted in the Classifieds rules for a reason. That said, I personally am willing to give advice on a case-by-case basis, as a community member. However, in this case there is very little to be done other than create a thread like this.if they even respond.I don't know why you continue to bash the mod team like this, but I'd appreciate if you would stop. I always respond to your PMs, and although I can't confirm that the rest of the team does, I do know that it's really not relevant to this thread at all, other than stirring drama. Thank you for your input
i ban everyone who PMs me... it's expected of me...
Pm'dFor the record, Doxing is not okay and the images of Fragil1ty that have been posted in this thread have been removed. It's pretty clear that what he did is not okay, but that doesn't mean he should be subjected to Doxing.More than likely a mod would just refer to TOSWe have to avoid giving input in these cases, on an official level, due to liability. Caveat Emptor is expressly quoted in the Classifieds rules for a reason. That said, I personally am willing to give advice on a case-by-case basis, as a community member. However, in this case there is very little to be done other than create a thread like this.if they even respond.I don't know why you continue to bash the mod team like this, but I'd appreciate if you would stop. I always respond to your PMs, and although I can't confirm that the rest of the team does, I do know that it's really not relevant to this thread at all, other than stirring drama. Thank you for your input
i ban everyone who PMs me... it's expected of me...
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I wont be paying you today as I will be paying you within the next 2 weeks. I don't appreciate threads being made about me that tarnish my reputation here on the forums
Fragility's signature linked to his professional website and social media which had his personal information publicy.
For the record, Doxing is not okay and the images of Fragil1ty that have been posted in this thread have been removed. It's pretty clear that what he did is not okay, but that doesn't mean he should be subjected to Doxing.honestly p glad someone did something about that because even though i think fragility is a *****ass punk that was uncalled for
Fragility's signature linked to his professional website and social media which had his personal information publicy.
Firstly, it no longer links. At least not today; I can't find his personal info.
Secondly, if it DID link, it implied that he wanted us to know who he was in personal life/ maybe connect to him professionally in the hope that maybe some job will come his way. That makes him even less likely to scam anyone.
He didn’t look good here, but I don’t think he’s going to destroy his reputation over one keyboard. ...I would give Fragil1ty the benefit of the doubt here because he hasn't established a pattern of sleazy behaviour yet.very fair post but this is the wrong assessment, as photekq has already pointed out how dishonest Fragility was in a previous transaction
Two weeks from now will also be past payday for March. Fragil1ty will have no excuse to claim he has no money prior to payday. Considering how enthusiastic the general population has been about taking out the pitchforks, feathers, tar and boiling oil, I think we can exert quite a bit of influence in encouraging Fragil1ty to make good on his commitments. Worst come to worst, he won’t be back. Bad for OP, good for us all since we have one fewer problem member.
Photekq was still Hitler
Two weeks from now will also be past payday for March. Fragil1ty will have no excuse to claim he has no money prior to payday. Considering how enthusiastic the general population has been about taking out the pitchforks, feathers, tar and boiling oil, I think we can exert quite a bit of influence in encouraging Fragil1ty to make good on his commitments. Worst come to worst, he won’t be back. Bad for OP, good for us all since we have one fewer problem member.
You know there's a reason Guts was betrayed...
You know there's a reason Guts was betrayed...thanks for the spoiler
Two weeks from now will also be past payday for March. Fragil1ty will have no excuse to claim he has no money prior to payday. Considering how enthusiastic the general population has been about taking out the pitchforks, feathers, tar and boiling oil, I think we can exert quite a bit of influence in encouraging Fragil1ty to make good on his commitments. Worst come to worst, he won’t be back. Bad for OP, good for us all since we have one fewer problem member.
You know there's a reason Guts was betrayed...
Two weeks from now will also be past payday for March. Fragil1ty will have no excuse to claim he has no money prior to payday. Considering how enthusiastic the general population has been about taking out the pitchforks, feathers, tar and boiling oil, I think we can exert quite a bit of influence in encouraging Fragil1ty to make good on his commitments. Worst come to worst, he won’t be back. Bad for OP, good for us all since we have one fewer problem member.
You know there's a reason Guts was betrayed...
Care to tell us your interpretation of Berserk? It's a pretty complex work and I have always been interested in how people interpret the manga. There is a lot going on and none of the characters are Hollywood-flat which makes for a lot of discussion fodder.
Two weeks from now will also be past payday for March. Fragil1ty will have no excuse to claim he has no money prior to payday. Considering how enthusiastic the general population has been about taking out the pitchforks, feathers, tar and boiling oil, I think we can exert quite a bit of influence in encouraging Fragil1ty to make good on his commitments. Worst come to worst, he won’t be back. Bad for OP, good for us all since we have one fewer problem member.
You know there's a reason Guts was betrayed...
Care to tell us your interpretation of Berserk? It's a pretty complex work and I have always been interested in how people interpret the manga. There is a lot going on and none of the characters are Hollywood-flat which makes for a lot of discussion fodder.
Brb going to watch berserk
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I believe it is best to lock this after the matter is resolved. :P
Oh man I've heard about the incident from crimsonTofu but good to see that he made a thread about it and it's being sorted out.
I've actually sold him a keyboard in February too but luckily we're both local Toronto so I literally just show up at his door hand him keyboard he hand me cash and done. :P
crimsonTofu is a really nice young dude so hopefully everything will work out for him in the end.
Although I think Fragility's behavior is repulsive, self-serving and contradictory. There is really no need to start this thread.The simple answer is just file a paypal complaint and let them deal with it.
If you chargeback through your bank your paypal goes negative and they pass the charge onto a debt collection agency
You need to deal with Paypal and/or your financial institution. In your case you'll get your money back.
The seller is ultimately responsible responsible until the board reaches the buyer.
i'm just going to 'speak up' on the pay as goods thing.
remember that this is between a canadian and a european. NOT between american and american.
if europe to canada is as bad as canada to europe, then paying with goods [properly] would have required tracking which would have cost upwards of $40-$50 USD with proper packaging.
yes...people are going to say 'suck it up'....i'm not trying to defend one side or the other. facts are good yes?
Although I think Fragility's behavior is repulsive, self-serving and contradictory. There is really no need to start this thread.The simple answer is just file a paypal complaint and let them deal with it.
Paypal only allows for chargebacks within a certain amount of time.If you chargeback through your bank your paypal goes negative and they pass the charge onto a debt collection agency
You need to deal with Paypal and/or your financial institution. In your case you'll get your money back.The seller is ultimately responsible responsible until the board reaches the buyer.
Not necessarily. I've had to make several transactions myself where I clearly stated that I would not take responsibility for the product after I've posted it for customs / protection issues with paypal. This is more dependent on the transaction terms.i'm just going to 'speak up' on the pay as goods thing.
remember that this is between a canadian and a european. NOT between american and american.
if europe to canada is as bad as canada to europe, then paying with goods [properly] would have required tracking which would have cost upwards of $40-$50 USD with proper packaging.
yes...people are going to say 'suck it up'....i'm not trying to defend one side or the other. facts are good yes?
Going to second this.
It has nothing to really do with the fees and more to do with the power of the buyer to chargeback. The seller is forced to take tracking and this would make the whole transaction pointless as it would be cheaper to get a brand new one within NA.
Though, as I mentioned about the chargeback power of the buyer, the buyer must be more aware of this loss as well as be more careful with who to pay in this fashion
As for the situation on hand... I'd honestly like to know what problem there was with shipping.
Personally if someone gives me the wrong address to ship to, I'm not refunding that shipping money. I always verify 2-3 times with the buyer before shipping to avoid such hassles. If they screw up all 3 times then tough luck.
If however I made the mistake on the shipping forms and didn't write the correct address or anything I'll gladly take the hit and reship ASAP.
I've been on both sides of the witch hunt myself, publicly and privately. You could have honestly had good intentions and the person just gets angry at you for some reason and starts a witch hunt against you. I sold some audio gear a while back. Made sure to clarify in my listing that goods were cosmetically damaged but fully functional with picture proof. The guy gave me problems throughout the entire payment phase and after receiving the stuff he comes out and tries to put me out as a scammer. Go figure.
After reviewing all the posts made here in this thread however I really feel like frag may have just been hoping that tofu would just sit quiet until it was more convenient for him to return the money
Although I think Fragility's behavior is repulsive, self-serving and contradictory. There is really no need to start this thread.The simple answer is just file a paypal complaint and let them deal with it.
Paypal only allows for chargebacks within a certain amount of time.If you chargeback through your bank your paypal goes negative and they pass the charge onto a debt collection agency
You need to deal with Paypal and/or your financial institution. In your case you'll get your money back.The seller is ultimately responsible responsible until the board reaches the buyer.
Not necessarily. I've had to make several transactions myself where I clearly stated that I would not take responsibility for the product after I've posted it for customs / protection issues with paypal. This is more dependent on the transaction terms.i'm just going to 'speak up' on the pay as goods thing.
remember that this is between a canadian and a european. NOT between american and american.
if europe to canada is as bad as canada to europe, then paying with goods [properly] would have required tracking which would have cost upwards of $40-$50 USD with proper packaging.
yes...people are going to say 'suck it up'....i'm not trying to defend one side or the other. facts are good yes?
Going to second this.
It has nothing to really do with the fees and more to do with the power of the buyer to chargeback. The seller is forced to take tracking and this would make the whole transaction pointless as it would be cheaper to get a brand new one within NA.
Though, as I mentioned about the chargeback power of the buyer, the buyer must be more aware of this loss as well as be more careful with who to pay in this fashion
As for the situation on hand... I'd honestly like to know what problem there was with shipping.
Personally if someone gives me the wrong address to ship to, I'm not refunding that shipping money. I always verify 2-3 times with the buyer before shipping to avoid such hassles. If they screw up all 3 times then tough luck.
If however I made the mistake on the shipping forms and didn't write the correct address or anything I'll gladly take the hit and reship ASAP.
I've been on both sides of the witch hunt myself, publicly and privately. You could have honestly had good intentions and the person just gets angry at you for some reason and starts a witch hunt against you. I sold some audio gear a while back. Made sure to clarify in my listing that goods were cosmetically damaged but fully functional with picture proof. The guy gave me problems throughout the entire payment phase and after receiving the stuff he comes out and tries to put me out as a scammer. Go figure.
After reviewing all the posts made here in this thread however I really feel like frag may have just been hoping that tofu would just sit quiet until it was more convenient for him to return the money
Complaints and chargeback are two separate things.
Chargebacks are not automatically passed to a collection agency.
If you use PayPal, sellers are responsible for shipping until the product reaches the buyer just because you say aren't responsible doesn't absolve you of that liability during disputes that PayPal handles.
In your example, you can send First Class International through USPS and add the tracking info manually.
The guy who posted before him.In your example, you can send First Class International through USPS and add the tracking info manually.
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who are you replying to?
In your example, you can send First Class International through USPS and add the tracking info manually.
You can get tracking with First Class International?
Only from certain countries to certain others.
Almost every one I've sent has had tracking but I also used USPS website to ship them all.In your example, you can send First Class International through USPS and add the tracking info manually.
You can get tracking with First Class International?
The guy who posted before him.In your example, you can send First Class International through USPS and add the tracking info manually.
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who are you replying to?
Only from certain countries to certain others.
But not "from:US" to "anywhere" is my understanding from several conversations with PO employees.
Some places give a blow by blow, either on USPS or the country's own mail, others just do delivery confirmation.
Well, once it reached the destination country, one code use the tracking code eg Royal Mail's or USPS' in the local country Post website and it will then tracked the package locally. It's super integrated even on such a backward country like Malaysia's :pSome places give a blow by blow, either on USPS or the country's own mail, others just do delivery confirmation.
It always seemed to me that the package would be tracked to the customs office of the destination country, but no further. I could be wrong, as often happens.
What about such a backward country like Philippines?Well, once it reached the destination country, one code use the tracking code eg Royal Mail's or USPS' in the local country Post website and it will then tracked the package locally. It's super integrated even on such a backward country like Malaysia's :pSome places give a blow by blow, either on USPS or the country's own mail, others just do delivery confirmation.
It always seemed to me that the package would be tracked to the customs office of the destination country, but no further. I could be wrong, as often happens.
Pro tip: If you ever have to sign a customs declaration form, you can track the package by the declaration number.
Pro tip: If you ever have to sign a customs declaration form, you can track the package by the declaration number.
Canada's CN22 customs form does not have a tracking number.
What about such a backward country like Philippines?Well, once it reached the destination country, one code use the tracking code eg Royal Mail's or USPS' in the local country Post website and it will then tracked the package locally. It's super integrated even on such a backward country like Malaysia's :pSome places give a blow by blow, either on USPS or the country's own mail, others just do delivery confirmation.
It always seemed to me that the package would be tracked to the customs office of the destination country, but no further. I could be wrong, as often happens.
This thread should be dead.So you think it's OK for a member to sell someone something claim shipping problems, then sell same item to someone else and still refuse to refund original purchaser?
Whoa whoa, those are some wild accusations. I am just tired of the whole community freeking out over this when we have all agreed that here is nothing we or e mods can do for the OP. You all need to chill out.This thread should be dead.So you think it's OK for a member to sell someone something claim shipping problems, then sell same item to someone else and still refuse to refund original purchaser?
I mean at least leave it open until OP let's us know he got a refund.
Whoa whoa, those are some wild accusations. I am just tired of the whole community freeking out over this when we have all agreed that here is nothing we or e mods can do for the OP. You all need to chill out.This thread should be dead.So you think it's OK for a member to sell someone something claim shipping problems, then sell same item to someone else and still refuse to refund original purchaser?
I mean at least leave it open until OP let's us know he got a refund.
This thread should be dead.
I wouldn't say that the community can't do anything for the OP. It can band together for solidarity in support of the OP and refuse to deal with the accused until the situation is rectified. That counts as something.
I wouldn't say that the community can't do anything for the OP. It can band together for solidarity in support of the OP and refuse to deal with the accused until the situation is rectified. That counts as something.
fragility hasn't logged on during the past week. seems he no longer cares about maintaining his rep amongst us half wits
Give me his address.
Wade 'foxer' Blanshard the Geekhack Hunter : S01E01 will be filmed shortly.
Seriously?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HN8nXSi.png)
Dude, how hard is it to just refund the money you owe the OP, and make a short apology? This isn’t rocket science here.
Give me his address.
Wade 'foxer' Blanshard the Geekhack Hunter : S01E01 will be filmed shortly.
He he.
fragility hasn't logged on during the past week. seems he no longer cares about maintaining his rep amongst us half wits
Seriously?Are you a ****ing detective or are you spiderman with spider senses? You sir, are way too good.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HN8nXSi.png)
Dude, how hard is it to just refund the money you owe the OP, and make a short apology? This isn’t rocket science here.
fragility hasn't logged on during the past week. seems he no longer cares about maintaining his rep amongst us half wits
why has no one thanked you for your input?
Are you a ****ing detective or are you spiderman with spider senses? You sir, are way too good.::bows::
Seriously?Are you a ****ing detective or are you spiderman with spider senses? You sir, are way too good.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HN8nXSi.png)
Dude, how hard is it to just refund the money you owe the OP, and make a short apology? This isn’t rocket science here.
Then you noticed you are mean too for driving such a new user away :(
I wont be paying you today as I will be paying you within the next 2 weeks.
I wont be paying you today as I will be paying you within the next 2 weeks.
Two weeks came and went on Friday.
Did OP get his money?
I wont be paying you today as I will be paying you within the next 2 weeks.
Two weeks came and went on Friday.
Did OP get his money?
No, but he sure got some input
$92.63 /rounding off to $93.00
$1 per week for 92 weeks.
23 month payment regime.
to: ***@gmail.com
/end.
'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.I don't even know how not paying him back is ideal? You should have paid him back originally when it was private, and then when he brings it to light so others can make sure we don't deal with a shifty member, you get upset and make it worse for yourself?
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out ****ters.
'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.God, you sound like an enormous ****. :blank:
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out *****es.
'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out ****ters.
I don't even know how not paying him back is ideal? You should have paid him back originally when it was private, and then when he brings it to light so others can make sure we don't deal with a shifty member, you get upset and make it worse for yourself?
'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out *****es.
Thank you for your input.'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out ****ters.
I don't even know how not paying him back is ideal? You should have paid him back originally when it was private, and then when he brings it to light so others can make sure we don't deal with a shifty member, you get upset and make it worse for yourself?
Oh wow, here comes another pointless post I couldn't give 2 ****s about. I'll be honest, I don't give a **** about any of you here, your posts are all redundant. Post pictures of me, post personal information, cool, go you boo boo.
But in all seriousness, I could not give 2 ****s about what you, this board or any other member thinks of me or my transactions, the fact of the matter is the majority of you are all spineless little half-wits that still live at home with mommy, fun times.
I would have paid him back in full, but after the slew of bull**** that is this thread, I thought 'nah' so I'm doing it this way.
mwah, xooxox.
'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out *****es.
'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out ****ters.
I don't even know how not paying him back is ideal? You should have paid him back originally when it was private, and then when he brings it to light so others can make sure we don't deal with a shifty member, you get upset and make it worse for yourself?
Oh wow, here comes another pointless post I couldn't give 2 ****s about. I'll be honest, I don't give a **** about any of you here, your posts are all redundant. Post pictures of me, post personal information, cool, go you boo boo.
But in all seriousness, I could not give 2 ****s about what you, this board or any other member thinks of me or my transactions, the fact of the matter is the majority of you are all spineless little half-wits that still live at home with mommy, fun times.
I would have paid him back in full, but after the slew of bull**** that is this thread, I thought 'nah' so I'm doing it this way.
mwah, xooxox.
'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out *****es.
Are the Fragil1ty and the Fragility the same deep thinkers?
So you steal someone's money and refuse to pay him back, despite admitting that you should, because other people posted things about you? Do you not understand why this is ****ed up?
I know this is a lost cause and all that, but wow.
muted
Finally.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/clint_ew.gif)So you steal someone's money and refuse to pay him back, despite admitting that you should, because other people posted things about you? Do you not understand why this is ****ed up?
I know this is a lost cause and all that, but wow.
Get a grip you moronic, ****ing retard. Muting me so that I cannot reply? I find it funny that virgins like you who abuse power because that is the only power that you will ever have (referring to being a moderator), you insignificant little half-wit.
Paying him back in $1 increments, did you not read the previous post or are you (like all other Americans) brain dead? Nevermind don't answer, I already know what your answer is going to be.
And so it begins.Show Image(http://danielclarkedesigns.co/images/20150406234913846.png)
**** he's right, I do still live at home with mommy. PLEASE TEACH ME TO GET ALL THE **** YOU HANDSOME MOTHER****ER'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out ****ters.
I don't even know how not paying him back is ideal? You should have paid him back originally when it was private, and then when he brings it to light so others can make sure we don't deal with a shifty member, you get upset and make it worse for yourself?
Oh wow, here comes another pointless post I couldn't give 2 ****s about. I'll be honest, I don't give a **** about any of you here, your posts are all redundant. Post pictures of me, post personal information, cool, go you boo boo.
But in all seriousness, I could not give 2 ****s about what you, this board or any other member thinks of me or my transactions, the fact of the matter is the majority of you are all spineless little half-wits that still live at home with mommy, fun times.
I would have paid him back in full, but after the slew of bull**** that is this thread, I thought 'nah' so I'm doing it this way.
mwah, xooxox.
Now I'm sad. You guys, this is the only power I'll ever have. :(
muted
Finally.
I'm not sure if I'm reading into this too much, but I wouldn't put the "finally" there. It was a matter of minutes after he posted that we responded to this...
If you were speaking more generally to the situation, then I agree. :thumb:
Now I'm sad. You guys, this is the only power I'll ever have. :(
Now I'm sad. You guys, this is the only power I'll ever have. :(You have the power of my love~~~
I must say, for everyone who isn�t the OP (sorry about your money OP), this is pretty hilarious. Maybe we should take up a collection to pay him back collectively, in return for the great entertainment.
Now I'm sad. You guys, this is the only power I'll ever have. :(
Why are you talking to people on here like they're your friends and ****? It's pathetic. What power do you have in the real world? I'd love to know. Working at your dead end job (if you even have one, holy ****).
Oh well, I've done my part here. I think this is going well.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HI TO MY MOTHER AND FATHER, MY FRIENDS, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOT ME HERE, THANK YOU GUYS, THANK YOU. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. GRACIAS, MUCHOS GRACIAS. <3 xoxooxo <3
And what power do you hold that makes you better? You sound like a bitter **** who is a tad over dramatic. You could have just payed the OP back and all of this **** wouldn't have been a problem.Now I'm sad. You guys, this is the only power I'll ever have. :(
Why are you talking to people on here like they're your friends and ****? It's pathetic. What power do you have in the real world? I'd love to know. Working at your dead end job (if you even have one, holy ****).
Oh well, I've done my part here. I think this is going well.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HI TO MY MOTHER AND FATHER, MY FRIENDS, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOT ME HERE, THANK YOU GUYS, THANK YOU. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. GRACIAS, MUCHOS GRACIAS. <3 xoxooxo <3
Now I'm sad. You guys, this is the only power I'll ever have. :(
Why are you talking to people on here like they're your friends and ****? It's pathetic. What power do you have in the real world? I'd love to know. Working at your dead end job (if you even have one, holy ****).
Oh well, I've done my part here. I think this is going well.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HI TO MY MOTHER AND FATHER, MY FRIENDS, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOT ME HERE, THANK YOU GUYS, THANK YOU. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. GRACIAS, MUCHOS GRACIAS. <3 xoxooxo <3
Now I'm sad. You guys, this is the only power I'll ever have. :(
Why are you talking to people on here like they're your friends and ****? It's pathetic. What power do you have in the real world? I'd love to know. Working at your dead end job (if you even have one, holy ****).
Oh well, I've done my part here. I think this is going well.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HI TO MY MOTHER AND FATHER, MY FRIENDS, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOT ME HERE, THANK YOU GUYS, THANK YOU. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. GRACIAS, MUCHOS GRACIAS. <3 xoxooxo <3
Now I'm sad. You guys, this is the only power I'll ever have. :(
Why are you talking to people on here like they're your friends and ****? It's pathetic. What power do you have in the real world? I'd love to know. Working at your dead end job (if you even have one, holy ****).
Oh well, I've done my part here. I think this is going well.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HI TO MY MOTHER AND FATHER, MY FRIENDS, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOT ME HERE, THANK YOU GUYS, THANK YOU. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. GRACIAS, MUCHOS GRACIAS. <3 xoxooxo <3
'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out *****es.Quote$92.63 /rounding off to $93.00
$1 per week for 92 weeks.
23 month payment regime.
to: ***@gmail.com
/end.
LETS GO BOYS, COME AT ME YOU FUX.
tbh I doubt even think fragilitytwo is actually him, just someone looking for attentionHe's done well at it. And mildly entertaining at the very least.
tbh I doubt even think fragilitytwo is actually him, just someone looking for attention
tbh I doubt even think fragilitytwo is actually him, just someone looking for attentionHoff, you can check up on this kind of thing, no?
'sup you bunch of pretentious virgins.
I've thought long and hard surrounding a solution and I thought, paying nothing back would be the ideal solution, but then I thought of something else, something a lot more fitting.. so instead.
I'm going pay him back.
In $1 increments every week until all is paid off (excluding my shipping costs of course).
Enjoy, peace out *****es.Quote$92.63 /rounding off to $93.00
$1 per week for 92 weeks.
23 month payment regime.
to: ***@gmail.com
/end.
LETS GO BOYS, COME AT ME YOU FUX.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Let me help ya'll Ghers understand this situation..
The problem with public shaming, is that the Vultures (the passerbys) who has NOTHING to do with the event, will dole out "verbal" abuse in EXCESS of the necessary / deserving penance of the Original Transgressor.
It is a fact that -Fragility- did "SOMETHING" wrong.. This is not disputed..
But
Because -crimsonTofu- made an equally poor decision to take this small quarrel PUBLIC,
The Lash out is worse than -Fragility- deserves for such a small mistake..
AND SO.. While we usually exclude pain-and-suffering from "accounting" disputes, THE REALITY is not so simple.. and -Fragility- HAS BEEN exposed to Undue stress..
And so, -Fragility-'s only recourse to set his own mind at ease after the fact, is to backlash in this seemingly insane, but very proportional irrationality.
By opening up the issue to the public, -Fragility- is no longer ONLY responding to the original late-refund of $xx.x sum to -crimsonTofu-..
He is responding to all the -Fvkd up- bull **** drummed up by GHer's who have no business or right to talk all this smack..
Tp4 supports -Fragility's- Decision..
To make this more LEGIT.. Why don't you pay him a sum adjusted for inflation it' won't be that much more... .. HAHAHAHA..
The first mistake was the POST-Service,
The second Late-Refund is -Fragility's-,
The Third mistake, was -crimsonTofu- taking a minute issue public, setting up -Fragility- for public shaming..
The 4th mistake, was all the Fvk-tards on GH involving themselves in business they have NO PART in..
The RESULT, is this silliness.. and this long explanation by Tp4, who sees the world for what it is..
People who grown insensitive to everyone else but themselves..
well actually hoff what you're forgetting is that we're all the virgins heretbh I doubt even think fragilitytwo is actually him, just someone looking for attention
Nahh, it's him. Don't worry. My virgin-senses are tingling.
i wouldn't be against a separate fundraiser to send OP to a decent psychiatristThe OP seems perfectly sane here...
tbh I doubt even think fragilitytwo is actually him, just someone looking for attentionHoff, you can check up on this kind of thing, no?
The OP seems perfectly sane here...lol. maybe i'm the one who needs that therapy session :eek:
Fragility is right to do what he's done..
Read post #230 for explanation
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70113.msg1707900#msg1707900
I just got to second base with my HHKBwell actually hoff what you're forgetting is that we're all the virgins heretbh I doubt even think fragilitytwo is actually him, just someone looking for attention
Nahh, it's him. Don't worry. My virgin-senses are tingling.
Fragility is right to do what he's done..
Read post #230 for explanation
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70113.msg1707900#msg1707900
tfw not even tp4 can bull**** enough to justify him
Fragility is right to do what he's done.. After the unjust public shaming
Read post #230 for explanation
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70113.msg1707900#msg1707900
inb4 fragilityfourYOU CANNOT BAN ME.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.[/size]Show Image(http://alphaomegagaming.com/images/AoG.png)
Now I'm sad. You guys, this is the only power I'll ever have. :(
Why are you talking to people on here like they're your friends and ****? It's pathetic. What power do you have in the real world? I'd love to know. Working at your dead end job (if you even have one, holy ****).
Oh well, I've done my part here. I think this is going well.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY HI TO MY MOTHER AND FATHER, MY FRIENDS, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOT ME HERE, THANK YOU GUYS, THANK YOU. I COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT YOU, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. GRACIAS, MUCHOS GRACIAS. <3 xoxooxo <3
tfw not even tp4 can bull**** enough to justify himAccording to acronyms.thefreedictionary.com, tfw means either “truncated floquet wave”, “Tourism Federation of Wisconsin”, “tactical fighter wing”, “tuition-fee waiver”, or “toxic flood water”.
fragility∞inb4 fragilityfourYOU CANNOT BAN ME.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.[/size]Show Image(http://alphaomegagaming.com/images/AoG.png)
YOU CANNOT BAN ME.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.Show Image(http://alphaomegagaming.com/images/AoG.png)
While I agree with your Crazy decision having taken so much unrelated verbal abuse from Silly-Geekhackers..
YOU CANNOT BAN ME.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.Show Image(http://alphaomegagaming.com/images/AoG.png)
Fragility..
While I agree with your Crazy decision having taken so much unrelated verbal abuse from Silly-Geekhackers..
I don't believe further rash speech would remedy the situation..
/Tp4, Public Defender
Fragility is right to do what he's done.. After the unjust public shaming
Read post #230 for explanation
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70113.msg1707900#msg1707900
He had 4 months to make right on his part. The fact of the matter is that he sold the same board to someone else in the meantime, and still didn't refund the guy.
While I agree with your Crazy decision having taken so much unrelated verbal abuse from Silly-Geekhackers..
Have you gone delusional? Since when does one person (or multiple people) completely unrelated to the initial person have any impact on what's right and wrong?
Frag out.
wtf is going on hah"Stuff"
So.. Hoff, please read #230
Fragility is right to do what he's done.. After the unjust public shaming
Read post #230 for explanation
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70113.msg1707900#msg1707900
He had 4 months to make right on his part. The fact of the matter is that he sold the same board to someone else in the meantime, and still didn't refund the guy.
That's why this thread is appropriate. It was posted to put pressure on him to make things right, which he never intended to do anyways. Had he been honest from the get go and payed the man back, this thread would have died a long time ago. His ego may have been bruised, but boohoo, get over it and continue to be part of the community and reshape your image. Mistakes happen.
But no
He decided to be a child. So he will be treated as so.
Fragility is right to do what he's done.. After the unjust public shaming
Read post #230 for explanation
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70113.msg1707900#msg1707900
He had 4 months to make right on his part. The fact of the matter is that he sold the same board to someone else in the meantime, and still didn't refund the guy.
That's why this thread is appropriate. It was posted to put pressure on him to make things right, which he never intended to do anyways. Had he been honest from the get go and payed the man back, this thread would have died a long time ago. His ego may have been bruised, but boohoo, get over it and continue to be part of the community and reshape your image. Mistakes happen.
But no
He decided to be a child. So he will be treated as so.
So.. Hoff, please read #230
Already did. Even if you want to say that this thread is excessive, it doesn't change the fact that he owes someone money. End of story. You don't earn the right to steal from people because other completely different people on the internet were meanies to you.
Thank you for your input virginsNo, Thank you!
So.. Hoff, please read #230
Already did. Even if you want to say that this thread is excessive, it doesn't change the fact that he owes someone money. End of story. You don't earn the right to steal from people because other completely different people on the internet were meanies to you.
Fragility is right to do what he's done.. After the unjust public shaming
Read post #230 for explanation
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70113.msg1707900#msg1707900
He had 4 months to make right on his part. The fact of the matter is that he sold the same board to someone else in the meantime, and still didn't refund the guy.
That's why this thread is appropriate. It was posted to put pressure on him to make things right, which he never intended to do anyways. Had he been honest from the get go and payed the man back, this thread would have died a long time ago. His ego may have been bruised, but boohoo, get over it and continue to be part of the community and reshape your image. Mistakes happen.
But no
He decided to be a child. So he will be treated as so.
No, it is not..
When you're shafted of $100.. You deserve that amount back + interest..
THAT"S IT... You do not deserve to shame the person who owes you money.. You do not deserve to HARM that other person in any way.. You have NO CLAIM to any recourse OUTSIDE of the original OWED SUM of money + interest for late-payment..
FRAGILITY was WRONG for the late payment..
But his current demeanor is in response to the IMPROPER handling of this transgression..
User, -crimsonTofu- Should have went straight to paypal dispute, with the evidence at hand, which he had..
All this should've been handled PRIVATELY..
So.. Hoff, please read #230
Already did. Even if you want to say that this thread is excessive, it doesn't change the fact that he owes someone money. End of story. You don't earn the right to steal from people because other completely different people on the internet were meanies to you.
I am paying him back as of today in the previously spoken about increments. Damn, you people.
Alright I get that you love to argue with people to try and prove them wrong, no matter what side you have to take. But OP tried time and time again to handle it privately and when that didn't work he had to resort to this. So yes, all this public backlash was a necessary evil to get OP his money backFragility is right to do what he's done.. After the unjust public shaming
Read post #230 for explanation
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70113.msg1707900#msg1707900
He had 4 months to make right on his part. The fact of the matter is that he sold the same board to someone else in the meantime, and still didn't refund the guy.
That's why this thread is appropriate. It was posted to put pressure on him to make things right, which he never intended to do anyways. Had he been honest from the get go and payed the man back, this thread would have died a long time ago. His ego may have been bruised, but boohoo, get over it and continue to be part of the community and reshape your image. Mistakes happen.
But no
He decided to be a child. So he will be treated as so.
No, it is not..
When you're shafted of $100.. You deserve that amount back + interest..
THAT"S IT... You do not deserve to shame the person who owes you money.. You do not deserve to HARM that other person in any way.. You have NO CLAIM to any recourse OUTSIDE of the original OWED SUM of money + interest for late-payment..
FRAGILITY was WRONG for the late payment..
But his current demeanor is in response to the IMPROPER handling of this transgression..
User, -crimsonTofu- Should have went straight to paypal dispute, with the evidence at hand, which he had..
All this should've been handled PRIVATELY..
No, it is not..
When you're shafted of $100.. You deserve that amount back + interest..
THAT"S IT... You do not deserve to shame the person who owes you money.. You do not deserve to HARM that other person in any way.. You have NO CLAIM to any recourse OUTSIDE of the original OWED SUM of money + interest for late-payment..
FRAGILITY was WRONG for the late payment..
But his current demeanor is in response to the IMPROPER handling of this transgression..
User, -crimsonTofu- Should have went straight to paypal dispute, with the evidence at hand, which he had..
All this should've been handled PRIVATELY..
PRIVATLEY was going no where. I bet he was just hoping the guy would stop pming him and he would never have to pay back. Seeing that the guy had 0 posts on geek hack prior to this thread, he didn't have much leverage from the community to help him get the money. So he did what he could. By making his situation publicly aware, it put pressure on vag (oops) I mean frag to pay up.
Alright I get that you love to argue with people to try and prove them wrong, no matter what side you have to take. But OP tried time and time again to handle it privately and when that didn't work he had to resort to this. So yes, all this public backlash was a necessary evil to get OP his money back
No, it is not..
When you're shafted of $100.. You deserve that amount back + interest..
THAT"S IT... You do not deserve to shame the person who owes you money.. You do not deserve to HARM that other person in any way.. You have NO CLAIM to any recourse OUTSIDE of the original OWED SUM of money + interest for late-payment..
FRAGILITY was WRONG for the late payment..
But his current demeanor is in response to the IMPROPER handling of this transgression..
User, -crimsonTofu- Should have went straight to paypal dispute, with the evidence at hand, which he had..
All this should've been handled PRIVATELY..
So tell me how would OP get the money back if frag never payed up? And if frag never payed and OP accepted his loses and left and never told anyone, and frag continued to do this **** to other people? Someone would eventually speak out. Sooner the better.
So tell me how would OP get the money back if frag never payed up? And if frag never payed and OP accepted his loses and left and never told anyone, and frag continued to do this **** to other people? Someone would eventually speak out. Sooner the better.
Alright I get that you love to argue with people to try and prove them wrong, no matter what side you have to take. But OP tried time and time again to handle it privately and when that didn't work he had to resort to this. So yes, all this public backlash was a necessary evil to get OP his money back
No, it is not..
When you're shafted of $100.. You deserve that amount back + interest..
THAT"S IT... You do not deserve to shame the person who owes you money.. You do not deserve to HARM that other person in any way.. You have NO CLAIM to any recourse OUTSIDE of the original OWED SUM of money + interest for late-payment..
FRAGILITY was WRONG for the late payment..
But his current demeanor is in response to the IMPROPER handling of this transgression..
User, -crimsonTofu- Should have went straight to paypal dispute, with the evidence at hand, which he had..
All this should've been handled PRIVATELY..
hwood34.. I am not being irrationally argumentative..
There are people in this world not equipped to handle situations such as this and argue for themselves..
I find that -Fragility- might be such a person..
And so Have made myself advocate to the unjust being done to him RIGHT NOW..
I do not claim -Fragility- is innocent of all charges.. Only that The response that is now in motion, is a direct result of improper handling, in involving 3rd parties who have incurred NO LOSSES..
Fragility should pay the money + interest..
He does not deserve, and should not have been publicly shamed.
So tell me how would OP get the money back if frag never payed up? And if frag never payed and OP accepted his loses and left and never told anyone, and frag continued to do this **** to other people? Someone would eventually speak out. Sooner the better.
So tell me how would OP get the money back if frag never payed up? And if frag never payed and OP accepted his loses and left and never told anyone, and frag continued to do this **** to other people? Someone would eventually speak out. Sooner the better.
No, he can go to paypal and file a dispute.. Even with limited evidence..
If that doesn't go smoothly,
He can also file a charge back or dispute with the Creditcard or Bank /debit card that's used on his Paypal account..
There are LEGAL and Private ways of doing this..
So tell me how would OP get the money back if frag never payed up? And if frag never payed and OP accepted his loses and left and never told anyone, and frag continued to do this **** to other people? Someone would eventually speak out. Sooner the better.
On a serious note, me and Crimsontofu were in talks, I explained to him that it the money would be getting to him sooner rather than later, then personal issues occured such as a very serious family issue, when I returned, he had made this thread because he hadn't heard from me in a while, but hey.
You guys do you, I'll do me. I'm currently getting into talks with TP4 about how to resolve this issue with minimal impact on my current finance and then i'll be hitting up Tofu, but thanks for all of your bull****, your negativity, your unwitty responses and your general doxxing, but hey! It's easy to feel empowered over the internet, amirite?
Peace and love.
You guys do you, I'll do me. I'm currently getting into talks with TP4 about how to resolve this issue with minimal impact on my current finance and then i'll be hitting up Tofu, but thanks for all of your bull****, your negativity, your unwitty responses and your general doxxing, but hey! It's easy to feel empowered over the internet, amirite?don't play the victim card, and don't expect any sympathy after you showed everyone exactly what kind of person you are with your conduct throughout this thread
Peace and love.
Alright I get that you love to argue with people to try and prove them wrong, no matter what side you have to take. But OP tried time and time again to handle it privately and when that didn't work he had to resort to this. So yes, all this public backlash was a necessary evil to get OP his money back
No, it is not..
When you're shafted of $100.. You deserve that amount back + interest..
THAT"S IT... You do not deserve to shame the person who owes you money.. You do not deserve to HARM that other person in any way.. You have NO CLAIM to any recourse OUTSIDE of the original OWED SUM of money + interest for late-payment..
FRAGILITY was WRONG for the late payment..
But his current demeanor is in response to the IMPROPER handling of this transgression..
User, -crimsonTofu- Should have went straight to paypal dispute, with the evidence at hand, which he had..
All this should've been handled PRIVATELY..
hwood34.. I am not being irrationally argumentative..
There are people in this world not equipped to handle situations such as this and argue for themselves..
I find that -Fragility- might be such a person..
And so Have made myself advocate to the unjust being done to him RIGHT NOW..
I do not claim -Fragility- is innocent of all charges.. Only that The response that is now in motion, is a direct result of improper handling, in involving 3rd parties who have incurred NO LOSSES..
Fragility should pay the money + interest..
He does not deserve, and should not have been publicly shamed.
时间滴滴答答地走
几分几秒浮现你轮廓
有时候会难过 有时候
雨声滴滴答答地落
熟悉的旋律开始重播
它唱出你 和我
幸福就像 一首歌
却在某个音符 慢慢的曲折
直到我们都认不得
只要你能快乐
我痛过了也觉得值得
曾经一起 学的 笑的
紧紧抱着 虽然会舍不得
只要你能快乐
我会相信放手是对的
回忆足够我们俩都快乐
眼泪滴滴答答的流
等流完了我会笑着说
你不属于 我的
幸福就像 一首歌
却在某个音符 慢慢的曲折
直到我们都认不得
只要你能快乐
我痛过了也觉得值得
曾经一起 学的 笑的
紧紧抱着 虽然会舍不得
只要你能快乐
我会相信放手是对的
回忆足够我们俩都快乐
只要你能快乐
我痛过了也觉得值得
曾经一起 学的 笑的
紧紧抱着 虽然会舍不得
只要你能快乐
我会相信放手是对的
回忆足够我们俩都快乐
回忆足够我们俩都快乐
So tell me how would OP get the money back if frag never payed up? And if frag never payed and OP accepted his loses and left and never told anyone, and frag continued to do this **** to other people? Someone would eventually speak out. Sooner the better.
No, he can go to paypal and file a dispute.. Even with limited evidence..
If that doesn't go smoothly,
He can also file a charge back or dispute with the Creditcard or Bank /debit card that's used on his Paypal account..
There are LEGAL and Private ways of doing this..
Sure. Doesn't take away from the fact that he scammed him. And if he never spoke up about it. He would probably still be scamming people.
No it wasn't, the thread itself was enough to get fragility to right a wrong. OP goofed big time by posting an email, then a few GHers made it really personal and couldn't keep their mouth shut. As much as I hate to agree with tp4, the shaming isn't fair and has clearly impacted OP getting his money back (we'll see in 93 weeks...). I called that back on page 4. If a few people could have just been civil and not take the "thank you for your input" bull****, OP may have been paid in full and everyone still knows not to get involved with fragility. I think OP's post is good for the community to let people know about bad traders/sellers, but too many people couldn't stay out of it and here we are.Alright I get that you love to argue with people to try and prove them wrong, no matter what side you have to take. But OP tried time and time again to handle it privately and when that didn't work he had to resort to this. So yes, all this public backlash was a necessary evil to get OP his money backFragility is right to do what he's done.. After the unjust public shaming
Read post #230 for explanation
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70113.msg1707900#msg1707900
He had 4 months to make right on his part. The fact of the matter is that he sold the same board to someone else in the meantime, and still didn't refund the guy.
That's why this thread is appropriate. It was posted to put pressure on him to make things right, which he never intended to do anyways. Had he been honest from the get go and payed the man back, this thread would have died a long time ago. His ego may have been bruised, but boohoo, get over it and continue to be part of the community and reshape your image. Mistakes happen.
But no
He decided to be a child. So he will be treated as so.
No, it is not..
When you're shafted of $100.. You deserve that amount back + interest..
THAT"S IT... You do not deserve to shame the person who owes you money.. You do not deserve to HARM that other person in any way.. You have NO CLAIM to any recourse OUTSIDE of the original OWED SUM of money + interest for late-payment..
FRAGILITY was WRONG for the late payment..
But his current demeanor is in response to the IMPROPER handling of this transgression..
User, -crimsonTofu- Should have went straight to paypal dispute, with the evidence at hand, which he had..
All this should've been handled PRIVATELY..
That isn't a favor, that's the right thing to do. I'm surprised you didn't give a timeout to the people posting pictures and making this matter way more difficult than it needed to be.So tell me how would OP get the money back if frag never payed up? And if frag never payed and OP accepted his loses and left and never told anyone, and frag continued to do this **** to other people? Someone would eventually speak out. Sooner the better.I'm mostly just sad that frag hates me despite my removing his pictures from the thread. You do someone a favour and this is how they repay you... :(
So tell me how would OP get the money back if frag never payed up? And if frag never payed and OP accepted his loses and left and never told anyone, and frag continued to do this **** to other people? Someone would eventually speak out. Sooner the better.
No, he can go to paypal and file a dispute.. Even with limited evidence..
If that doesn't go smoothly,
He can also file a charge back or dispute with the Creditcard or Bank /debit card that's used on his Paypal account..
There are LEGAL and Private ways of doing this..
Sure. Doesn't take away from the fact that he scammed him. And if he never spoke up about it. He would probably still be scamming people.
Is it really doxxing when the information is in your profile?
dox
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gerund or present participle: doxxing
search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the Internet, typically with malicious intent.
So tell me how would OP get the money back if frag never payed up? And if frag never payed and OP accepted his loses and left and never told anyone, and frag continued to do this **** to other people? Someone would eventually speak out. Sooner the better.
No, he can go to paypal and file a dispute.. Even with limited evidence..
If that doesn't go smoothly,
He can also file a charge back or dispute with the Creditcard or Bank /debit card that's used on his Paypal account..
There are LEGAL and Private ways of doing this..
Sure. Doesn't take away from the fact that he scammed him. And if he never spoke up about it. He would probably still be scamming people.
I'd still be scamming people? are you for real. You think because a business transaction has gone awry, that I'm a 'scammer' or i'd still be 'scamming people', lol please.
This is a situation that has spiralled out of control. I have/had every intention of paying back OP, but I'm just sick of annoying justice warriors such as you and many others in this forum trying to dictate what I should do, when I should do it and how I should do it. Like I previously mentioned, I have been here for a long time and I have sold multitudes of things varying from different keyboards, mice and so on and none of them have gone south, just as this one has.
Evidently you don't know what the f you're talking about.
Yes it is. The only 'name' that was in my profile, was a link to my personal buinsness website. danielclarkedesigns, other information was leaked such as my full name, pictures of myself, images stolen from my twitter, my instagram and then leaked onto here, so yes, that is doxxing.
So tell me how would OP get the money back if frag never payed up? And if frag never payed and OP accepted his loses and left and never told anyone, and frag continued to do this **** to other people? Someone would eventually speak out. Sooner the better.
No, he can go to paypal and file a dispute.. Even with limited evidence..
If that doesn't go smoothly,
He can also file a charge back or dispute with the Creditcard or Bank /debit card that's used on his Paypal account..
There are LEGAL and Private ways of doing this..
Sure. Doesn't take away from the fact that he scammed him. And if he never spoke up about it. He would probably still be scamming people.
NO confirmation of scam taking place..
Only late payment..
But he took to the public shaming BEFORE exhausting private solutions..
THAT is all _crimsonTofu's_ fault, and not the right way to rectify the situation.
...whole thing went like this:
OP bought item, never received.
Frag said he would refund, never did.
Frag used that money for something else.
Frag has now sold the same board again to someone else, and has that someone's money.
Frag is now throwing dollas at a new monitor.
No, he can go to paypal and file a dispute.. Even with limited evidence..
梁心頤的鼻子她妈地太可怕了..
No, he can go to paypal and file a dispute.. Even with limited evidence..
Not if you paid by gift, which is what happened with the original transaction. If crimsonTofu tried to file a dispute, PayPal could suspend his account for improper use.
I'd still be scamming people? are you for real. You think because a business transaction has gone awry, that I'm a 'scammer' or i'd still be 'scamming people', lol please.Actually yes, that is exactly what everyone thinks, except tp4tissue and possibly your grandmother.
I'd still be scamming people? are you for real. You think because a business transaction has gone awry, that I'm a 'scammer' or i'd still be 'scamming people', lol please.Actually yes, that is exactly what everyone thinks, except tp4tissue and possibly your grandmother.
No, he can go to paypal and file a dispute.. Even with limited evidence..
Not if you paid by gift, which is what happened with the original transaction. If crimsonTofu tried to file a dispute, PayPal could suspend his account for improper use.
then he can go to the credit card issuer, (a bank usually), and try there,
HE HAS some evidence of the agreed upon sale..
If he must, there's also small-claims-court.. and he can Sue Fragility..
it doesn't matter what is written on the ticket, as long as there's evidence that this was used to PAY for an item which was undelivered..
THERE ARE WAYS to handle this.. you can not deny this.. just as I do not deny that Fragility has made a late-payment.
No, he can go to paypal and file a dispute.. Even with limited evidence..
Not if you paid by gift, which is what happened with the original transaction. If crimsonTofu tried to file a dispute, PayPal could suspend his account for improper use.
then he can go to the credit card issuer, (a bank usually), and try there,
HE HAS some evidence of the agreed upon sale..
If he must, there's also small-claims-court.. and he can Sue Fragility..
it doesn't matter what is written on the ticket, as long as there's evidence that this was used to PAY for an item which was undelivered..
THERE ARE WAYS to handle this.. you can not deny this.. just as I do not deny that Fragility has made a late-payment.
Small claims over a $90 keyboard. My time is worth way more then that. I would post this thread over that any day. If I was the OP I wouldn't care about money. Letting people knows of his true colors is reward enough. Knowing his precious keyboards and caps are worth nothing on here. And since we have a general idea of what he owns through his posts. Good luck selling it.
梁心頤的鼻子她妈地太可怕了..
Google translate says “Lara's nose to her mother was horrible ..”