Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 00:09:13
I was recently contacted by a user whom I will not be naming to sell me a clack blank. I asked him for a price he would like for it and he said $200. I took less than a day as I mentioned to him that I am definitely considering it based on what my financial status would be. I sold some of my collection in order to fund this purchase and once I had contacted him, he said he would like to ebay the item instead because he wants to "Maximize" his cash. Here is a quick quote form him/her.
Quote
you've only been here for a couple of months, so just some honest friendly advice is to wait until people reply/confirm trades. I've had that happen to me a couple of times, it ain't fun. I'll have to get back to you on it. I really need money right now and i'd rather get rid of an OG cherry beige set + windowed locks. maybe you have interest in that?
My question is should I have first confirmed that he really was going to sell it for 200 before I sold my items even if he mentioned that price prior or is that already implied since he mentioned several times that the item was going to be $200.
I would love some feedback on this as I would like to avoid situations like these in the future as I am nota big fan of parting with my collection unless I must in order to improve it. This is not a witch hunt and I am simply looking for advice/suggestions. Please refrain from commenting on who the user is if you do know them since this is not the purpose of this thread.
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 00:22:44
also, your quote link directs you to https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25298
lol.
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 00:33:32
dont buy a blank piece of plastic for 200.
also, your quote link directs you to xxx
lol.
I didn;t know that evne if the name is edited in a quite, it still links to a profile.... Modded my post. Can you please edit your post demik?
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 01:19:57
And then had the fortitude to tell you that they were faultless?
Yeah. That's never happened to me. Here's how to avoid. Don't do business with that person. Ever.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 May 2015, 01:30:55
I'm telling ya'll, that guy probably has a heroin problem..
Post by: fanpeople on Sat, 02 May 2015, 01:49:41
Heroin...
I'm telling ya'll, that guy probably has a heroin problem..
We should run a group buy to help support... but slowly lower their dose of heroin so they can start functioning again.
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 01:55:42
So a person contacted you unsolicited, asked if you wanted to buy something, agreed on a price and then when you went to pay, backed out?
And then had the fortitude to tell you that they were faultless?
Yeah. That's never happened to me. Here's how to avoid. Don't do business with that person. Ever.
Here is a quick summary
Him:Contacts me to sell me a clack
Me: Asks for price
Him: how does 200 sound
Me: Seems high but I will reevaluate it andn purchase it once I have the cash
Him: Okay
Me: Contacts him to tell him I am going to buy it
Him: 250
Me: You said 200 and I sold some items to get the cash for it.
Him: 250 or he ebays it
Him
welp im sorry! im really looking towards 250..have another user interested and was considering ebay posting..bet it could fetch more on ebay :P
Me: You said 200 so I got rid of some stuff just to purchase it.
Him
I never actually offered it for 200, i threw out that number to gauge you. another tip is wait for the sale to become official.
(http://i.imgur.com/PIGkUMg.png)
He did give me some tips though because I'm still new here :D ;D
Him
you've only been here for a couple of months, so just some honest friendly advice is to wait until people reply/confirm trades. I've had that happen to me a couple of times, it ain't fun. I'll have to get back to you on it. I really need money right now and i'd rather get rid of an OG cherry beige set + windowed locks. maybe you have interest in that?
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 01:56:28
Heroin...Heroin is no joke..... I've lost many friends to it and now they have lost their teeth. :mad:
I'm telling ya'll, that guy probably has a heroin problem..
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 02 May 2015, 04:37:32
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 02 May 2015, 04:42:00
I think that person has gotten greedy. Don't trade / buy from him again.
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 02 May 2015, 04:42:54
Best of luck. You seem like a nice guy (and people may be taking advantage of that).
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 02 May 2015, 07:20:12
(1) an offer
(2) an acceptance
(3) the exchange of consideration (value)
From your description, both offer and acceptance seemed vague.
If there was an unequivocal statement of "I will buy it for $X" and an unequivocal response of "I will sell it for that amount" then you had the basis of a contract.
Otherwise, you were just speculating.
My opinion.
Sometimes I almost pull my hair out at certain people's near absolute refusal to utter the simple words "yes" and "no" .....
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 02 May 2015, 07:30:55
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 09:08:33
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 May 2015, 10:53:22
Heroin...Heroin is no joke..... I've lost many friends to it and now they have lost their teeth. :mad:
I'm telling ya'll, that guy probably has a heroin problem..
I totally agree..
The public should be more aware of these addictive substances..
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 May 2015, 10:54:31
Heroin...
I'm telling ya'll, that guy probably has a heroin problem..
We should run a group buy to help support... but slowly lower their dose of heroin so they can start functioning again.
Help would be much easier if we had the heroin supplementary program...
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 10:59:41
Just learn not to deal with dubsgalore if you feel he did you wrong.
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:11:05
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:12:57
why are these plastics so addicting and triggers my buy mode? Its rewiring my brain T_T
Watch out for "the crash". We've seen many-a-collector moving as swiftly as you disappear and/or have sell-offs.
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:16:00
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:16:45
Hey op maybe dubsgalore is banking on selling it higher to somebody desperate to fit in and with money to blow, like 3love.
Just learn not to deal with dubsgalore if you feel he did you wrong.
Lmao dubs
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:18:11
Doesn't really affect me since I'm not collecting my aftisas for profit. It matters not whether they become 1 dollar each value wise. I actually dealt with something like this in Dota2. If anyone is familiar with it's economy, many items such as he legacy pink EF couriers went all the way from 20-50k to 5k USD each in literally one update.
I don't mean a monetary crash in their value. I mean the "WTF have I been doing collecting tens of thousands of dollars in pieces of plastic?" mental crash.
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:20:24
Oh that. That is harder to deal with :) I remember collecting tons of MTG cards back then until one day I stood there looking at boxes and boxes of the stuff that I don't even have a chance to use anymore :(Doesn't really affect me since I'm not collecting my aftisas for profit. It matters not whether they become 1 dollar each value wise. I actually dealt with something like this in Dota2. If anyone is familiar with it's economy, many items such as he legacy pink EF couriers went all the way from 20-50k to 5k USD each in literally one update.
I don't mean a monetary crash in their value. I mean the "WTF have I been doing collecting tens of thousands of dollars in pieces of plastic?" mental crash.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:21:58
Oh that. That is harder to deal with :) I remember collecting tons of MTG cards back then until one day I stood there looking at boxes and boxes of the stuff that I don't even have a chance to use anymore :(Doesn't really affect me since I'm not collecting my aftisas for profit. It matters not whether they become 1 dollar each value wise. I actually dealt with something like this in Dota2. If anyone is familiar with it's economy, many items such as he legacy pink EF couriers went all the way from 20-50k to 5k USD each in literally one update.
I don't mean a monetary crash in their value. I mean the "WTF have I been doing collecting tens of thousands of dollars in pieces of plastic?" mental crash.
So you got a head start this time.. collecting something that's completely useless from the very beginning.. (http://textemoticons.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/073.gif)
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:23:38
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:27:10
I like them though :) and I use them everyday
I'm not trying to knock you. I get it. They are pretty nice to look at and collect. I was just referring back to the OP and trying to warn you on how to proceed with your dealings on GH. If you have the "must have them all" mindset, people will try to scam you.
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:28:52
Post by: esoomenona on Sat, 02 May 2015, 13:23:24
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 02 May 2015, 13:25:45
It wasn't just any blank though, right? It was a julysicle? One of the ones that he never paid more than retail for, and would never ask for more than he paid for them. Right?
Totally forgot about that. You are dead on.
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 02 May 2015, 14:03:02
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 14:08:57
yea you might want to edit out their sig
Yeah you can definitely tell that's dubsgalore
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 02 May 2015, 14:10:48
yea you might want to edit out their sig
Yeah you can definitely tell that's dubsgalore
(http://jokideo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Lifes-to-short-to-hold-a-grudge.jpg)
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 02 May 2015, 14:13:46
classiest member NAyea you might want to edit out their sig
Yeah you can definitely tell that's
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 14:33:16
Post by: absyrd on Sat, 02 May 2015, 14:34:23
Surely I beat hitler squad
By a long shot. That thread to hot too handle for me. That is what you are here for.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 02 May 2015, 14:53:11
in addition thats not even what happened..
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:05:19
@ those guys talking about Hitler, I just watched a pretty comedic fight bwmetween white suoremacists and the public.
eh i was told not to do business with you anyways.. anyways blanking out my name but leaving my sig is poor tasteWould you mind ellaborting as to what really happened sir? I have the chat log between you and I since the first time you contced me sir. I'm assuming you just wanted to start something since you clearly said on your last post that you weren't planning to do business with me? I'd appreciate it if you could shed some light in that because almost all my trades and transactions went perfect except for the two times I told you via PM. One was with you and one was from another person who left me stuck with a cap I got for them over their request and decided to back out on it ( we eventually settled on something and he genuinely is a nice guy). Maybe there is a third one because there is another person who wants my MX ruby red skull + an orange unicorn for their big/tri that i keep declining but that is a different situation compared to someone backing out because they want more so I guess you are the only one I've experienced this with good sir.
in addition thats not even what happened..
This thread was never meant to offend anyone but rather to get some guidance as to how I can avoid situations wherein a person backs out because they want more after thigs have been finalized. I apologize if this affvts you in a negative manner sir dubs.
PS. I'm on mobile so sorry for typos.
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:30:52
If you get offered something, and when you're about to pay the seller asks for more money you have two options:
1) give them more money
2) don't give them more money and don't deal with them again
There really isn't more to it. How long you've been here doesn't matter, it's that simple.
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:33:13
Here is your advice.Advice taken from the master. This is true since I can't really force them to sell. Just a bit sad I let go of some of mine to get the Pesos to pay him with :p. Can't argue with your suggestion though.
If you get offered something, and when you're about to pay the seller asks for more money you have two options:
1) give them more money
2) don't give them more money and don't deal with them again
There really isn't more to it. How long you've been here doesn't matter, it's that simple.
P.S. I can't find the symol for pesos in mobile.
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:36:42
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:37:55
It wasn't just any blank though, right? It was a julysicle? One of the ones that he never paid more than retail for, and would never ask for more than he paid for them. Right?I don't get what you mean by this? I'm seriously being confused by you esoo.
Sorry about the diff. I was to later by the time I got the signal to check back on this since I was sidetracked.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:38:56
I totally forgot about the Sig.. You can tell I made an effort to completely keep your identity private on the very first post but I forgot about the sign apologies dubs but I definitely will take in your tipssince I've only been a member for a few months and am quite new like you said.
@ those guys talking about Hitler, I just watched a pretty comedic fight bwmetween white suoremacists and the public.
It's fine about the sig I just don't understand how you go over it and forgot to black out the sig. you even had some of the black over the sig but didnt full finish covering it..
This thread was never meant to offend anyone but rather to get some guidance as to how I can avoid situations wherein a person backs out because they want more after thigs have been finalized. I apologize if this affvts you in a negative manner sir dubs.
PS. I'm on mobile so sorry for typos.
As for this part, we are NOT going to continue on talking in Public. Feel free to add me on skype as 'Dubsgalore' or PM me. I understand you being upset and all of your argument. What's wrong with it all and whats probably confusing people is you keep saying things were *finalized*. The price or trade was never finalized .. if we both agreed on a price and said in stone 'ok let's do this' and THEN i backed out, it would make sense for you to be upset and make a public post like this on how to avoid that situation. but it was never finalized and i never said 'im 100% sure i want to sell this and sell this at this price' so.. attention to detail I guess. anyways please contact me via pm or skype.
Here is your advice.
If you get offered something, and when you're about to pay the seller asks for more money you have two options:
everyone knows you get an erection over stirring the GH drama pot but for jesus' sake stay out of it sometimes. Your amigo íntimo Moose sold a Julysicle for $250 in plain daylight about a year ago, before geekhack turned into plastic novelty heaven, so I don't understand all of you crying over $200 for one.
Post by: billnye on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:39:26
P.S. I can't find the symol for pesos in mobile.The Peso sign is the same as the dollar sign. :thumb:
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:40:26
Clack prices are retarded as is, if op wants to buy for 200 that's his problem. If you want to sell for more and have a buyer that's your problem. He asked what he should do. Really only two options. Give you more money or not.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:40:52
It wasn't just any blank though, right? It was a julysicle? One of the ones that he never paid more than retail for, and would never ask for more than he paid for them. Right?I don't get what you mean by this? I'm seriously being confused by you esoo.
Sorry about the diff. I was to later by the time I got the signal to check back on this since I was sidetracked.
Oh my god he actually showed up.. Synjin beware..he's a delusional hypocrite who's got a hard on for me :P
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:41:19
Unmm are you sure? Idk about Mexican peso but in the Philippines, peso sign is diff from the dollar sign.P.S. I can't find the symol for pesos in mobile.The Peso sign is the same as the dollar sign. :thumb:
@ demik he did got you on that one. :thumb
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:42:16
mexican pesos are $Unmm are you sure? Idk about Mexican peso but in the Philippines, peso sign is diff from the dollar sign.P.S. I can't find the symol for pesos in mobile.The Peso sign is the same as the dollar sign. :thumb:
@ demik he did got you on that one. :thumb
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:44:50
Demik is Demik, we all are watching out when he does show up in a thread. He is new too with the 200 post count so he doesn't really know what he is taking about.
Did anyone else see the crick cracks from Vietnam that bro posted?
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:46:20
He is new too with the 200 post count so he doesn't really know what he is taking about.kek
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:48:18
He is new too with the 200 post count so he doesn't really know what he is taking about.
(https://yoimjustsayin.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/120-person-raising-both-hands-in-celebration.png)(http://emojipedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/92-fire.png)
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:50:03
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:53:09
Eh at least I can start and finish GBs without excuses.
small scale SP GBs...damn what an accomplishment
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:53:47
Eh at least I can start and finish GBs without excuses.oh yea **** him for being in the hospital right?
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:56:38
Eh at least I can start and finish GBs without excuses.
small scale SP GBs...damn what an accomplishment
Hey a small accomplishment is more than a failure.
Eh at least I can start and finish GBs without excuses.oh yea **** him for being in the hospital right?
Nope, just **** him in general.
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:56:59
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 02 May 2015, 15:59:48
he did a good deal of the work for a massive, difficult buy. some people helped finish it up. not a failureEh at least I can start and finish GBs without excuses.
small scale SP GBs...damn what an accomplishment
Hey a small accomplishment is more than a failure.
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 16:03:53
Hitler youth came to the rescue and saved the GB.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 02 May 2015, 16:06:20
He started a gb. Collected money. Came back with an excuse, lashed out at people like an entitled prick.
Hitler youth came to the rescue and saved the GB.
I had a legitimate excuse and problem..I valued the success of the group buy over failure so I passed it on instead of ending it.
30 SP sets.. :rolleyes:
Post by: Synjin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 16:08:32
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 02 May 2015, 16:10:08
And Hitler youth is?
real life hitler youth = "dong squad"
Post by: demik on Sat, 02 May 2015, 16:12:45
And Hitler youth is?
The two that are proud to show their support for nazis.
Bill and photek, aside from their questionable choice of heros, are as legit as they come.
Post by: billnye on Sat, 02 May 2015, 16:27:46
Bill and photek, aside from their questionable choice of heros, are as legit as they come.<3
Post by: esoomenona on Sat, 02 May 2015, 19:24:50
It wasn't just any blank though, right? It was a julysicle? One of the ones that he never paid more than retail for, and would never ask for more than he paid for them. Right?I don't get what you mean by this? I'm seriously being confused by you esoo.
Sorry about the diff. I was to later by the time I got the signal to check back on this since I was sidetracked.
Oh my god he actually showed up.. Synjin beware..he's a delusional hypocrite who's got a hard on for me :P
dubsgalore's version of reality is truly saddening. If I lived there, I'd try to off myself as well.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 02 May 2015, 19:51:24
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 May 2015, 20:37:59
Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05/02/f1ec014008fb3f9b7e1a4623191f56a8.jpg)
I wonder if pandas would actually eat popcorn.. hrrrmmm..
Post by: berserkfan on Sat, 02 May 2015, 22:19:19
I will be selling blanks pretty soon. For MUCH less than $200. But as I am not an artisan, I guess I'm not going to be a beneficiary of geekhackers' irrationality.
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 02 May 2015, 22:32:35
I don't like what dubs did to you, but both of you were being somewhat vague anyway so there's room for doubt.
I will be selling blanks pretty soon. For MUCH less than $200. But as I am not an artisan, I guess I'm not going to be a beneficiary of geekhackers' irrationality.
If you made them you will be.
Post by: meiosis on Sun, 03 May 2015, 00:16:37
Bill and photek, aside from their questionable choice of heros, are as legit as they come.
And Meiosis
FTFY
Post by: whentheclouds on Mon, 04 May 2015, 10:41:21
Post by: berserkfan on Mon, 04 May 2015, 12:44:00
Contact with artisan caps results in a temporary 50 point IQ drop and 20 year maturity/ caution decrease. So if you're 21 years old and have an IQ of 130 like the average geek, once someone PMs you saying he has a rare clack for sale, you can be conned like a baby with Forrest Gump's IQ.
:p :p :p :p :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :-* :-* :-* :-* ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: sorijealut on Mon, 04 May 2015, 16:09:57
i remember seeing some post on /r/mk about 4-5 months ago accusing synjin of doing shady ****s with artisan caps, i think buying and then reselling them for a much higher price was the specific accusation. it was made by a throwaway account and had maybe 2 or 3 responses so i didn't think much of it. but i do wonder how you always get yourself entangled in these unpleasant situations involving artisan caps
Seeing the constant conflict with members in trades, one should evaluate himself and his trading style.
Synjin probably does a lot of clack transactions, often with dubious people since he's not that cautious with people. That's how things go down the drain.There's definitely some of that maturity problem...
Contact with artisan caps results in a temporary 50 point IQ drop and 20 year maturity/ caution decrease. So if you're 21 years old and have an IQ of 130 like the average geek, once someone PMs you saying he has a rare clack for sale, you can be conned like a baby with Forrest Gump's IQ.
:p :p :p :p :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :-* :-* :-* :-* ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 05 May 2015, 12:59:17
quotei remember seeing some post on /r/mk about 4-5 months ago accusing synjin of doing shady ****s with artisan caps, i think buying and then reselling them for a much higher price was the specific accusation. it was made by a throwaway account and had maybe 2 or 3 responses so i didn't think much of it. but i do wonder how you always get yourself entangled in these unpleasant situations involving artisan caps
Seeing the constant conflict with members in trades, one should evaluate himself and his trading style.Synjin probably does a lot of clack transactions, often with dubious people since he's not that cautious with people. That's how things go down the drain.There's definitely some of that maturity problem...
Contact with artisan caps results in a temporary 50 point IQ drop and 20 year maturity/ caution decrease. So if you're 21 years old and have an IQ of 130 like the average geek, once someone PMs you saying he has a rare clack for sale, you can be conned like a baby with Forrest Gump's IQ.
I thinkt is mainly people trying to take advantage of my put judgment of character as all as what I'm willing to do to get something I really want. I have dealt with many long time members and me ones as well and they tend to be smooth and satisfying almost all the time but then you get people who try to take advantage of one side of even back out after you spoundsyafter after u spend too purchase something for them leaving you with a large loss and ask they can say is "I'm sorry I changed my mind" sorry about the to pos typo because it isn't letting me backspace what I type on mobile.
EDIT: besides, you know for a fact how compensating I am trading with you in the past, shall we elaborate on this matter? You can't have 100% smooth trades at all times because sometimes there are factors I cannot control such as people's greed wanting more than what they originally asked for or perhaps them changing their mind.
Post by: sorijealut on Tue, 05 May 2015, 14:05:54
It's funny because the things you say here is just describing yourself. It's like you have some protective barrier over yourself, and apparently everything is the other party's fault.quotei remember seeing some post on /r/mk about 4-5 months ago accusing synjin of doing shady ****s with artisan caps, i think buying and then reselling them for a much higher price was the specific accusation. it was made by a throwaway account and had maybe 2 or 3 responses so i didn't think much of it. but i do wonder how you always get yourself entangled in these unpleasant situations involving artisan caps
Seeing the constant conflict with members in trades, one should evaluate himself and his trading style.Synjin probably does a lot of clack transactions, often with dubious people since he's not that cautious with people. That's how things go down the drain.There's definitely some of that maturity problem...
Contact with artisan caps results in a temporary 50 point IQ drop and 20 year maturity/ caution decrease. So if you're 21 years old and have an IQ of 130 like the average geek, once someone PMs you saying he has a rare clack for sale, you can be conned like a baby with Forrest Gump's IQ.
I thinkt is mainly people trying to take advantage of my put judgment of character as all as what I'm willing to do to get something I really want. I have dealt with many long time members and me ones as well and they tend to be smooth and satisfying almost all the time but then you get people who try to take advantage of one side of even back out after you spoundsyafter after u spend too purchase something for them leaving you with a large loss and ask they can say is "I'm sorry I changed my mind" sorry about the to pos typo because it isn't letting me backspace what I type on mobile.
EDIT: besides, you know for a fact how compensating I am trading with you in the past, shall we elaborate on this matter? You can't have 100% smooth trades at all times because sometimes there are factors I cannot control such as people's greed wanting more than what they originally asked for or perhaps them changing their mind.
It also seems you mix up facts quite often even when I link you the direct conversation we've had in that previous trade. I have the necessary support for myself if you're inclined to escalate this discussion.
Through the recent trade I've seen the true end of "greed". In the bottom of it all, there's too much greed.
It’s engulfing everything else, like the actual people and community you’re interacting with. Not realizing these items have little value outside this group.
Dollars in dollars out. $$$. Is that not your trading style?
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 05 May 2015, 14:28:04
PS I'm still at a loss in terms of value in our trade and you know that so idk why you think $in$out is my style.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 05 May 2015, 14:33:28
$in$out is my style
So for those of us who have no clue what this means can you elaborate? My apologies if its a pop culture or reddit thing that I don't know about.
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 05 May 2015, 14:34:41
Post by: sorijealut on Tue, 05 May 2015, 14:46:47
You yourself admitted in a previous PM that you do realize how the previous attempt at trading between you and m heavily affected my choices on the second attempt. We can leave this be since you know that in the end, even if it is against what I wanted, I still traded with you after everything that happened. If you made someone lose over $400 dollars because you changed your mind on a cap they got for you, they will be more careful and take precautionary steps the second time around which is a fact. In the end, we both got the caps we want so I'm still happy and so are you but I hope you realize that there are only a few out of the multiple trades that I've done which I've had issues with. If you think that me reevaluating our trade and clearly notifying you about it after you showed the same red flags in changing your mind is unreasonable then idk what is. If you honestky think $in $out is my style then I wouldn't be paying such high prices for these even if you yourself know how much of a collector I am. You have seen my dota2 collection first hand and you also know its approximate value yet I've even told you that those will never be for sale, how can that be $in$ out?
PS I'm still at a loss in terms of value in our trade and you know that so idk why you think $in$out is my style.
If the conditions are right for you, you trade. If it�s not, you don�t. Like what demik was saying.
You told me you were satisfied with the trade. If you�re unable to discern what you want, then that�s a problem.
I suggested two times during our trade that we cancel our trade. I even made sure to tell you that you should walk away if you feel you�re losing too much.
No one else can make that decision for you. I don�t know why you continue to fixate on trade values in dollars when that alone cannot be leverage for the things you say.
My point is that you're still only seeing dollars. You don't realize how I, unlike you, had everything on line plus added cash that was raised in multiple instances by you after our mutual trade agreement.
You keep mentioning our previous trade negotiation. Let me bring this into perspective.
It is in my rights to receive clear pictures when accepting a trade. For that previous trade I was considering, I only received a blurry picture that was from your previous seller.
It's unacceptable to trade without providing any clear picture to your buyers.
I also don't understand why you keep saying you were at a loss, when you clearly knew I wasn't a sure trade. It seem you're chalking up the fact that you couldn't trade anyone your cap as my fault.
Quote 1:
You can see here I was lacking necessary information on the caps by way of pictures. Which you understood yourself and you promised to provide pictures.Alright. I'll get you a pic tonight whne I get home or tomorrow morning prior to shipping. Did you want to ship out tomorrow then?QuoteAddress
Yeah, if I see the cap and confirm the trade then we'll get to shipping right away. Hopefully the cap is awesome.
Quote 2:
... and this was your reply:picture
Wow so the light really does get through it. Hm... It's interesting but I will have to give it some thought. It's just that I would rather try to trade for colors that I prefer.
Notice that you were completely okay with it, and as I know by now, you always deal the same cap to 2-3 other people for some reason as you trade. So you were O.K.
This should serve as a warning to others trading with him, as he can message you in the morning of shipping date to say he's reconsidering the trade.
Quote 3:
Understandable. I will notify the other interested people then an if I do find colors u might like, I'll shoot you an offer. What colossus diff you want? Revenge red perhaps and F2 red?OK Thanks...! Big preference to transparent as you know, since it is a special color I'd prefer some unique property.
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 05 May 2015, 14:51:05
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 05 May 2015, 15:01:21
Post by: naasfu on Tue, 05 May 2015, 15:03:04
Post by: sorijealut on Tue, 05 May 2015, 15:10:36
I forgot toention, I never raised the prices. I simply said we shouldn't trade anymore because of how you handled our transaction and that you keep being indecisive about things as well as you keep raising the same red flags from before. I sugesyed we do not go through with anything anymore since you shipped all the items before yoheven paid the amount yo were supposed to in n effort to force my hand and go through with the trade. You threatened to hit GH and to leave indefinitely which I did not want so I then decided to see if you would be fine to putting in the same amount I originally asked for which you tried k lower by begging because you didn't have enough money for the month. I simply asked you to add 15 dollars more which was what I originally asked you of in order to make me feel that you were putting in the extra effort to fix what happened as much as I. If I simply wanted cash, why would I bother with 15 dollars when I never even said anytjig negative to you when you left me with a $400cap I specifically hot for you and simply said that it was ok in order to avoid having to argue over it. The 15 dollars more that I ask to put it to the original price I asked you of was a principle thing more than profit or W/E u think it is.I was never indecisive. In my point of view, you were the indecisive.
Your post is full of lies and I can't believe you would actually post your never ending lies in public as well.
You know full well I respected you as a trader until this very weird trade as of late.
This is the the full event in TRUTH:
SUMMARY
I wanted my clack for his clack. He said he has 3 of these unnamed ones and he will be receiving it by mail. He sends me really bad blurry pictures of said clack that he will receive, which is obviously not enough to solidify any trade (especially for such an uncommon clack) I say, send me pics when you get it. He says OK.
I see the Clack, I don't like it, I apologize. He says:
Understandable. I will notify the other interested people then an if I do find colors u might like, I'll shoot you an offer. What colossus diff you want?A week later, he contacts me again. This time another clack for my clack. I'm interested, and I say yes. He raises the price until it's all of my keycaps (clack, bros) plus cash.
Okay, a bit steep for me personally but I am down for it. It's honestly still a good trade for me. So we agree on the trade and also agree to ship the next day. I also asked for his Paypal but he would not send me his Paypal to complete trade. He says he has other packages to send out, and he'll send it out tomorrow.
Next morning is when it gets weird. He mentions since it is one of the earlier clacks, it can have flaws. So I thank him for letting me know and ask him if there's any big flaws. I had to send him maybe 10 separate messages for me to receive some OK pictures, evading my question if he can see any flaws. Well so I'm still down for this trade, but he suddenly tells me he got an OG tri offer, and he is reconsidering the trade. I'm just sitting dumbfounded because by now, I've packed everything and I'm already out by my post to send it out.
Pissed, I ask him in BOLD CAPPED letters, I need an answer, yes or no, is this trade happening or not? He sends me something like "did u pay for shipping yet", "I think you can still cancel".
I ask him again and again, just tell me YES or NO, do I send out my package. After waiting 40 minutes in my car at the post office, I send it out and let him know.
He filps out and basically asks me why did I do it, he was in class, blah blah blah. He clearly did not have respect for my time or efforts to send the item quickly as promised.
He says that by me asking about any flaws on the key cap, the trade suddenly became "incomplete", yet I sent my items.
I tell him that's the natural thing to do, esp. for a large trade like this. And I never said anything about cancelling the trade. I said I was OK with it.
I ask him why he would continue to discuss trades with 3-4 other traders after we had agreed on a trade last night. He evades again, telling me that I had backed out on a trade before, costing him "hundreds", when to my understanding, the key caps I was considering had already been traded for.
Threatens to post a thread, saying he's sure people will favor his side more, will contact mod, etc.
Okay fine, whatever, I just tell him I want my keycaps sent back. I can see that he never intended to send my item to me this day, and I just want out of this trade by now.
He offers me a blank to trade, etc etc that idc about, until he says he'll trade as originally agreed. BUT he wants $15 more, like he had originally suggested. I laugh and say OK.
He says he'll send it tomorrow.
He doesn't send it as promised again next day, his daughter's sick. OK.
Next day, I ask him for tracking. I ask again. And again. I see him clearly online and posting on GH.
Finally he shoots a PM like he's annoyed and he'll send it once he gets home.
Note that he sent me multiple PMs for his PP invoice. I did not get any shipping confirmation or PM or anything of the sort.
Past midnight I ask him again. He says he doesn't have it, will give it to me tomorrow.
By now my item's arrived to him, and I have yet to know if my item's even been sent out.
I finally get the tracking next morning and he's even cheaped out on the shipping option, and with the weekend, god only knows when it'll get here. I'm still waiting.
I'm thinking he maybe did this just to check my items out before he sent anything to me.
I'm not bothered by waiting, just that he kept on lying to me. I tell a bit of advise politely that he should not tell promises he knows he can't keep.
Flips out again, blah blah. Tells me do you know how much of a great deal he gave me, etc. Always emphasis on $$ value. Do you want to send everything back, blah blah.
I tell him to post a thread if he wants. I say I am aware, and I'm very thankful politely. I ask him how does he like my caps? he says he does enjoy them. That was the last bit of conversation.
This is what I've learned through trading with him:
- He's really shady about describing the key caps he's selling, you have to request like 4-5 pictures just to get an "OK" look at your item. If one doesn't ask, well, he won't show it.
- Threatening to post a thread about me and contacting a mod.
- Putting words in my mouth, trying to guilt trip the other trader into thinking that they did something wrong, for him to gain a bargaining power.
- Lying. Lying for everything he says, shipping time, raising agreed trade price (thus bullying the trader with less bargaining power), saying he'll give me tracking number but doesn't, the list is far too long. For every broken promise is an excuse (that's all fine and good, but it gets old when that's his excuse for everything). He'll tell you he's on mobile so he can't do X
This is obviously a huge wall of text. Sorry but it's the shortest I could make it.
In all honesty I'm not too bothered, it's just him accusing me of doing something wrong that's pissing me off.
You get the idea. If a trade is this complicated it's not really worth trading with him. Yet he accuses me of indecision.
By far the worst experience trading here in the forums.
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 05 May 2015, 15:27:36
1 you backed out on a trade I lost money in
2 I never said anything even IG you clearly knew that the item was purchased specifically for you
3 the same red flags before you hanged your mind the first time around popped up on our 2nd trade which made me reevaluate it.
4 you shipped the item even if I told you I was reevaluating it and you haven't even fulfilled your side of the trade in order to force my hand in trading with you.
5. I said I will ship your items back at my cost and will even pay you for your cost of shipping to cancel
6 you threatened to leave GH
7 I said fine add 15 dollars to put it at the original price I asked you to add and we can finalize this if that is really what you want.
The blank was offered during time of reevaluation which is still after you shipped your.caps without us finalizing it. Reevaluating a trade after you popped those same exact red flags from before is a natural reaction of mine. Sorry for the crappy format I'm on mobile. Would you lime to revert the trade then?/send mine back and I'll send yours back + refund you fully and I'll even pay you $50 so you won't have tkbquit GH like you threatened. This wah you will come out on top and not think that it is all about money.
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 05 May 2015, 15:35:54
However, this is descending into a slagging match about what happened or didn't happen about personal transactions which are of no interest to anyone else.
Plz be nice.
Post by: sorijealut on Tue, 05 May 2015, 15:38:18
I've never had any issues trading with or buying anything from anyone. Maybe I'm just lucky that way.
However, this is descending into a slagging match about what happened or didn't happen about personal transactions which are of no interest to anyone else.
Plz be nice.
I agree. I've no interest in that. I will stop here because it just seems like whatever I say will not be read and Synjin will be Synjin.
Sorry for any offensive comments.
Post by: Synjin on Tue, 05 May 2015, 15:40:09