or you could just remove all the keys from the macbook, because well.. its aluminum..
and looks exactly like one of the keyboard plates we are all trying to get.
just throw some spacing in there and install mx / alps/ or whatever switches,
wire it up, and extend the hinges on the lcd screen so it wouldn't get banged up by the keys.
sure it would look like frankenstein but who cares. it would be a joy to type on.
I already hate the keyboard on my rMBP Pro (part of the reason I dove head first into the mech community). If the new Macbook 2015 keyboard is even worse than that then I'm absolutely certain that a ThinkPad will be my next keyboard (probably a couple years out since I like to keep my computers for 4 years+)
I've tried it a few times now. At first, I thought it wasn't that bad. Then I thought it was actually kind of fun to type on.
Then I used it more extensively and found that I really disliked it quite a bit. In fact, I used to really like Apple keyboards (such as the aluminum Bluetooth one) but even the current, thinner MacBook Pros don't have very good keyboards anymore. They did before they slimmed them down.
I'm actually considering a Lenovo T450s in large part for its magnificent keyboard. I actually really like some chiclet-style keyboards when they're done really well, and the 1.9mm of travel and much more tactile bump of the thicker Lenovo keyboards is certainly the best I have come across.
I'm gonna run my x220 into the ground..
This is the new thin fan-less macbooks you are talking about right?
I know many here are ignoring this but given how much "effect" apple has on the industry this ****ty keyboard could signal the end of tactile keyboards in the future packaged with systems (desktop and laptops).
They are pretty much saying they don't care about real touch typists who type 60+wpm and need tactility. desktops will soon follow.
20 years from now there will be very few touch typists left, very few millennials i know are touch typists and teens these days are not taught how to type. people buy backlit keyboards so they can hunt and peck. The end of tactile is soon.
im sooo negative.....
I've tried it a few times now. At first, I thought it wasn't that bad. Then I thought it was actually kind of fun to type on.
Then I used it more extensively and found that I really disliked it quite a bit. In fact, I used to really like Apple keyboards (such as the aluminum Bluetooth one) but even the current, thinner MacBook Pros don't have very good keyboards anymore. They did before they slimmed them down.
I'm actually considering a Lenovo T450s in large part for its magnificent keyboard. I actually really like some chiclet-style keyboards when they're done really well, and the 1.9mm of travel and much more tactile bump of the thicker Lenovo keyboards is certainly the best I have come across.
Don't get the T450 until they release the quad cores.
I agree with you about Apple leading the way when it comes to this kind of thing, they lead in most other things concerning technology. I honestly think they don't even give the feel of the keyboard much consideration - people seem pretty satisfied banging away on touch screens and the new MacBook keyboard is a little bit better than that, so why not?
I think there will always be a place for tactile keyboards - maybe not so much in the laptop world where lightness and thin-ness seem to be everyone's main concern. It boggles my mind that the keyboard would be an after thought but maybe that's because I'm a Terminal junkie and a writer so I spend a lot of time with the keyboard.
Are they really not teaching typing anymore? I knew they weren't teaching cursive (which is a travesty in and of itself), but I'd think that with computers becoming such an essential part of modern day existence they'd still teach typing.
I ran my x230 into the ground and I miss it already =/I already hate the keyboard on my rMBP Pro (part of the reason I dove head first into the mech community). If the new Macbook 2015 keyboard is even worse than that then I'm absolutely certain that a ThinkPad will be my next keyboard (probably a couple years out since I like to keep my computers for 4 years+)
I'm gonna run my x220 into the ground..
But I tried the Macbook 12 at the store, the keyboard IMHO is fine..
It's nothing like the smoothness of non bottom out actuation.. but overall I can "deal" with the feel..
I'm gonna run my x220 into the ground..
I'm quite in love with my x220, I think when it finally gives out I'm going to go on to an x230 (which if I remember correctly still has the old school style ThinkPad keyboard), and then I'll probably be out of luck. The keyboard on my rMBP isn't too bad, but it's nothing compared to the feeling of my x220.
I'm gonna run my x220 into the ground..
I'm quite in love with my x220, I think when it finally gives out I'm going to go on to an x230 (which if I remember correctly still has the old school style ThinkPad keyboard), and then I'll probably be out of luck. The keyboard on my rMBP isn't too bad, but it's nothing compared to the feeling of my x220.
x230 has the new chiclet keyboard, which IMHO is also just dandy..
but anything after x230 is problematic.
We got the weird 8gb + 4gb on the x240, and Single channel limitation on the x250..Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_057_.gif)
I agree with you about Apple leading the way when it comes to this kind of thing, they lead in most other things concerning technology. I honestly think they don't even give the feel of the keyboard much consideration - people seem pretty satisfied banging away on touch screens and the new MacBook keyboard is a little bit better than that, so why not?
Apple is riding the wave that Steve had made, but with no Steve, the end is in sight. Don't get me wrong, Tim Cook is a great manager, and I'm sure Apple will prosper for decades under his leadership, but he's no visionary. Apple is slowly becoming a follower as opposed to a leader.I think there will always be a place for tactile keyboards - maybe not so much in the laptop world where lightness and thin-ness seem to be everyone's main concern. It boggles my mind that the keyboard would be an after thought but maybe that's because I'm a Terminal junkie and a writer so I spend a lot of time with the keyboard.
Sometimes the weight and size of the device is king. It can make a world of difference whether it's comfortable to carry in one hand, or if it's easy to pop open on the subway or not. Still, I believe this design was a mistake.Are they really not teaching typing anymore? I knew they weren't teaching cursive (which is a travesty in and of itself), but I'd think that with computers becoming such an essential part of modern day existence they'd still teach typing.
They never did teach typing. Maybe in some places, but it never was a thing. Most touch typists I know, including myself, are self-taught. The only people I know who did learn typing in school are secretaries and office managers.
Resale values of 2014 and older MacBooks just went up
I'm gonna run my x220 into the ground..
I'm quite in love with my x220, I think when it finally gives out I'm going to go on to an x230 (which if I remember correctly still has the old school style ThinkPad keyboard), and then I'll probably be out of luck. The keyboard on my rMBP isn't too bad, but it's nothing compared to the feeling of my x220.
x230 has the new chiclet keyboard, which IMHO is also just dandy..
but anything after x230 is problematic.
We got the weird 8gb + 4gb on the x240, and Single channel limitation on the x250..Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_057_.gif)
I'm gonna run my x220 into the ground..
I'm quite in love with my x220, I think when it finally gives out I'm going to go on to an x230 (which if I remember correctly still has the old school style ThinkPad keyboard), and then I'll probably be out of luck. The keyboard on my rMBP isn't too bad, but it's nothing compared to the feeling of my x220.
x230 has the new chiclet keyboard, which IMHO is also just dandy..
but anything after x230 is problematic.
We got the weird 8gb + 4gb on the x240, and Single channel limitation on the x250..Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_057_.gif)
The keyboard on the T450s and T550 are supposed to be the same superb keyboard as the X230 (chiclet but deep and tactile). I'd get the T550 but apparently the display uses PWM to dim, which I'm not crazy about (the T450s does not). Mind you, 14" is kind of small, especially at 16:9.
The one thing Apple sure does right with the MacBook is the 16:10 aspect ratio.
I agree with you about Apple leading the way when it comes to this kind of thing, they lead in most other things concerning technology. I honestly think they don't even give the feel of the keyboard much consideration - people seem pretty satisfied banging away on touch screens and the new MacBook keyboard is a little bit better than that, so why not?
Apple is riding the wave that Steve had made, but with no Steve, the end is in sight. Don't get me wrong, Tim Cook is a great manager, and I'm sure Apple will prosper for decades under his leadership, but he's no visionary. Apple is slowly becoming a follower as opposed to a leader.I think there will always be a place for tactile keyboards - maybe not so much in the laptop world where lightness and thin-ness seem to be everyone's main concern. It boggles my mind that the keyboard would be an after thought but maybe that's because I'm a Terminal junkie and a writer so I spend a lot of time with the keyboard.
Sometimes the weight and size of the device is king. It can make a world of difference whether it's comfortable to carry in one hand, or if it's easy to pop open on the subway or not. Still, I believe this design was a mistake.Are they really not teaching typing anymore? I knew they weren't teaching cursive (which is a travesty in and of itself), but I'd think that with computers becoming such an essential part of modern day existence they'd still teach typing.
They never did teach typing. Maybe in some places, but it never was a thing. Most touch typists I know, including myself, are self-taught. The only people I know who did learn typing in school are secretaries and office managers.
I agree with you about Apple leading the way when it comes to this kind of thing, they lead in most other things concerning technology. I honestly think they don't even give the feel of the keyboard much consideration - people seem pretty satisfied banging away on touch screens and the new MacBook keyboard is a little bit better than that, so why not?
Apple is riding the wave that Steve had made, but with no Steve, the end is in sight. Don't get me wrong, Tim Cook is a great manager, and I'm sure Apple will prosper for decades under his leadership, but he's no visionary. Apple is slowly becoming a follower as opposed to a leader.I think there will always be a place for tactile keyboards - maybe not so much in the laptop world where lightness and thin-ness seem to be everyone's main concern. It boggles my mind that the keyboard would be an after thought but maybe that's because I'm a Terminal junkie and a writer so I spend a lot of time with the keyboard.
Sometimes the weight and size of the device is king. It can make a world of difference whether it's comfortable to carry in one hand, or if it's easy to pop open on the subway or not. Still, I believe this design was a mistake.Are they really not teaching typing anymore? I knew they weren't teaching cursive (which is a travesty in and of itself), but I'd think that with computers becoming such an essential part of modern day existence they'd still teach typing.
They never did teach typing. Maybe in some places, but it never was a thing. Most touch typists I know, including myself, are self-taught. The only people I know who did learn typing in school are secretaries and office managers.
I suppose it depends on how old you are. I was in high school 2001-2005 and Keyboarding was mandatory for everyone, and it's come in really handy. Probably the only class I took in high school where I still use the skills I learned.
I was in high school 2006 - 2010 and Keyboarding was mandatory then as well. In fact, I remember Keyboarding was even mandatory in grade school.
I agree with you about Apple leading the way when it comes to this kind of thing, they lead in most other things concerning technology. I honestly think they don't even give the feel of the keyboard much consideration - people seem pretty satisfied banging away on touch screens and the new MacBook keyboard is a little bit better than that, so why not?
Apple is riding the wave that Steve had made, but with no Steve, the end is in sight. Don't get me wrong, Tim Cook is a great manager, and I'm sure Apple will prosper for decades under his leadership, but he's no visionary. Apple is slowly becoming a follower as opposed to a leader.I think there will always be a place for tactile keyboards - maybe not so much in the laptop world where lightness and thin-ness seem to be everyone's main concern. It boggles my mind that the keyboard would be an after thought but maybe that's because I'm a Terminal junkie and a writer so I spend a lot of time with the keyboard.
Sometimes the weight and size of the device is king. It can make a world of difference whether it's comfortable to carry in one hand, or if it's easy to pop open on the subway or not. Still, I believe this design was a mistake.Are they really not teaching typing anymore? I knew they weren't teaching cursive (which is a travesty in and of itself), but I'd think that with computers becoming such an essential part of modern day existence they'd still teach typing.
They never did teach typing. Maybe in some places, but it never was a thing. Most touch typists I know, including myself, are self-taught. The only people I know who did learn typing in school are secretaries and office managers.
I suppose it depends on how old you are. I was in high school 2001-2005 and Keyboarding was mandatory for everyone, and it's come in really handy. Probably the only class I took in high school where I still use the skills I learned.
I was in high school 2006 - 2010 and Keyboarding was mandatory then as well. In fact, I remember Keyboarding was even mandatory in grade school.
I was in high school 2006 - 2010 and Keyboarding was mandatory then as well. In fact, I remember Keyboarding was even mandatory in grade school.
I wish I got typing classes... Through strange scheduling plus changing schools, even though both my schools had required typing classes, I somehow managed to slip around the requirement for a typing class... it would have helped out so much. I've gotten better since then, but I have absolutely no form because of it.