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Title: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Thu, 28 May 2015, 21:20:11
This is an interest check for a 60% form factor keyboard with a numpad built in.

Pictures:
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Layout:
Link (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/c81886f74c96b05fb7f60e3fcf73a590)

To quickly give an overview on the key layout, it's pretty much a 60% with a numpad on the side. Instead of splitting up the 2u "0" key into two 1u keys for arrow keys, we decided to move the arrow keys up one row to make sure it retains a standard bottom row for keyset compatibility.
Print screen, screen lock, delete, etc have been put into the function layer on the numpad. Also, the escape and F keys are combined with the number row. We are working on getting media controls onto it.


Features:

The case and PCB designs are very close to completion and the plate is already done. I'm currently talking to various manufacturers to get the best price and samples to review quality. We are currently aiming for a $250 price point due to the quality of the components that go into the board.
Leave any comments or suggestions please. Also, if you can think of a name for this keyboard that would be awesome!
Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Fri, 29 May 2015, 00:03:18
This looks awesome. Great detailed post that everyone should take a look at :)
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: simonyunhe on Fri, 29 May 2015, 00:11:24
Love it, very interest!  :p
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 29 May 2015, 00:26:34
Looks neat. Will be keeping an eye on this!
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: Cottonsox on Fri, 29 May 2015, 00:31:01
I notice your plate is strict with the entire layout Is there any plans to add additional layout options, or is this governed by your pcb design?
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Fri, 29 May 2015, 00:36:36
I notice your plate is strict with the entire layout Is there any plans to add additional layout options, or is this governed by your pcb design?

It's limited by the PCB. Maybe in the future there may be ISO support but that's about it.

Love it, very interest!  :p

Thanks!

Looks neat. Will be keeping an eye on this!

Awesome, it should be ready for the GB stage soon. Just gotta finish my current GB's and get a prototype done.

This looks awesome. Great detailed post that everyone should take a look at :)

Thanks aha
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 29 May 2015, 08:35:40
I'm the PCB designer. It's about 90% complete, I'm working now on the USB hub circuit. In this weekend I'm planning to finish it and then make some modifications to the board. Received some really good ideas.

I'm following the plan given to me of a ANSI layout, but I can easily add ISO support, that's no problem. I also can modify the bottom row to add support to winkeyless layouts. However, all those changes have to be supported by the plate, which isn't my responsibility.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: just66in on Fri, 29 May 2015, 08:48:42
Very interested. Will be keeping an eye on this thread
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: cmadrid on Fri, 29 May 2015, 09:08:49
How much harder would it be to have the numpad on the left side?  Am I the only one that thinks the numpad should be on the left side so it doesn't move the mouse out farther?


Even with the numpad on the 'standard' side, it still looks pretty neat tho
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 29 May 2015, 09:15:29
How much harder would it be to have the numpad on the left side?  Am I the only one that thinks the numpad should be on the left side so it doesn't move the mouse out farther?


Even with the numpad on the 'standard' side, it still looks pretty neat tho
It can be done, but it also must be supported by the plate.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: cmadrid on Fri, 29 May 2015, 09:29:12
How much harder would it be to have the numpad on the left side?  Am I the only one that thinks the numpad should be on the left side so it doesn't move the mouse out farther?


Even with the numpad on the 'standard' side, it still looks pretty neat tho
It can be done, but it also must be supported by the plate.

I understand, just wondering if anyone else agreed with me :)
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 29 May 2015, 09:43:23
Very cool I've seen similar ideas but this seems very well thought out. Is there any possibility of adding extra layout compatibility to the 60% area? Things such as split backspace, split right shift, iso compatibility, and alternative bottom row layouts?
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 29 May 2015, 09:52:18
Very cool I've seen similar ideas but this seems very well thought out. Is there any possibility of adding extra layout compatibility to the 60% area? Things such as split backspace, split right shift, iso compatibility, and alternative bottom row layouts?
Possibility? Yes, there is. Are they going to be done? I don't know, I'm just designing the board. If doodersbrother says that it is ok, I'll add support for it.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 29 May 2015, 09:55:40
How much harder would it be to have the numpad on the left side?  Am I the only one that thinks the numpad should be on the left side so it doesn't move the mouse out farther?


Even with the numpad on the 'standard' side, it still looks pretty neat tho
It can be done, but it also must be supported by the plate.

I understand, just wondering if anyone else agreed with me :)

Definitely agree that it would be preferred for someone like me.  Num pad on the right with a 60% layout is self defeating
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: greath on Fri, 29 May 2015, 10:50:49
Love the design. Would be even more interested if it supported a 1.75u right shift with a 1u fun key.

Edit: example
(http://i.imgur.com/EKU7g5R.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: p3rhaps on Fri, 29 May 2015, 10:55:42
Definitely interested in this. My interest would increase ten fold if the numpad was on the left though.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: cmadrid on Fri, 29 May 2015, 11:30:47
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/28fb9b9c0ac981ca5388da380143ccc8 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/28fb9b9c0ac981ca5388da380143ccc8)

Something like this
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Fri, 29 May 2015, 12:00:48
I'm the PCB designer. It's about 90% complete, I'm working now on the USB hub circuit. In this weekend I'm planning to finish it and then make some modifications to the board. Received some really good ideas.

I'm following the plan given to me of a ANSI layout, but I can easily add ISO support, that's no problem. I also can modify the bottom row to add support to winkeyless layouts. However, all those changes have to be supported by the plate, which isn't my responsibility.

Hey Vinny!
I have been talking with Doody a lot about this project and he told me that he got a PCB designer, and now you just confirmed that it is you! That is really cool :)

Good luck to both of you!
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: dante on Fri, 29 May 2015, 16:30:58
How much harder would it be to have the numpad on the left side?  Am I the only one that thinks the numpad should be on the left side so it doesn't move the mouse out farther?


Even with the numpad on the 'standard' side, it still looks pretty neat tho
It can be done, but it also must be supported by the plate.

This is going to sound ridiculous and I'm sure there are a bunch of reasons why it couldn't be done ...

How about having the plate / pcb be 'flippable'.  It could land in the case the same way - you just flip them over and then the numpad will be on the left.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 29 May 2015, 16:45:46
How much harder would it be to have the numpad on the left side?  Am I the only one that thinks the numpad should be on the left side so it doesn't move the mouse out farther?


Even with the numpad on the 'standard' side, it still looks pretty neat tho
It can be done, but it also must be supported by the plate.

This is going to sound ridiculous and I'm sure there are a bunch of reasons why it couldn't be done ...

How about having the plate / pcb be 'flippable'.  It could land in the case the same way - you just flip them over and then the numpad will be on the left.

Standard 60% area isn't flippable that way though
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: unoab on Fri, 29 May 2015, 16:52:48
This is going to sound ridiculous and I'm sure there are a bunch of reasons why it couldn't be done ...

How about having the plate / pcb be 'flippable'.  It could land in the case the same way - you just flip them over and then the numpad will be on the left.

The 60% section is not symmetrical, that would be the requirement if you wanted it to be flippable.  If flipped the backspace would be on the left, then caps lock would be 2.25u, enter, now 1.75u, and so on if you get the picture.  Now someone could design symmetric modifiers, but even still, the alphas dont flip either for their staggering.  So unfortunately it would not be a simple thing.

The possible proper way to do it would be to have 2 PCBs, or a scored section on the main variant so you could break it into a 60% and a TK.  Then you would need headers so you could connect the two back together after repositioning them on opposides of each other.  And all the mounting holes would have to be available for both placement options, and you would still need 2 different plates unless you did a 2 part plate too.  But the seam on a 2 part plate would be very visible in the blank space between the halves.

So, possible? Yes.  Practical, not so much.  It all depends on how much work they want to put into making that possible and if it will pay off with a respective increase in orders.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: cmadrid on Fri, 29 May 2015, 17:37:35
This is going to sound ridiculous and I'm sure there are a bunch of reasons why it couldn't be done ...

How about having the plate / pcb be 'flippable'.  It could land in the case the same way - you just flip them over and then the numpad will be on the left.

The 60% section is not symmetrical, that would be the requirement if you wanted it to be flippable.  If flipped the backspace would be on the left, then caps lock would be 2.25u, enter, now 1.75u, and so on if you get the picture.  Now someone could design symmetric modifiers, but even still, the alphas dont flip either for their staggering.  So unfortunately it would not be a simple thing.

The possible proper way to do it would be to have 2 PCBs, or a scored section on the main variant so you could break it into a 60% and a TK.  Then you would need headers so you could connect the two back together after repositioning them on opposides of each other.  And all the mounting holes would have to be available for both placement options, and you would still need 2 different plates unless you did a 2 part plate too.  But the seam on a 2 part plate would be very visible in the blank space between the halves.

So, possible? Yes.  Practical, not so much.  It all depends on how much work they want to put into making that possible and if it will pay off with a respective increase in orders.

I doubt this would be a very viable option.. I personally think the numpad should be on the left, but it isn't my board.. was just wondering if anyone else (yay Nubs!) agreed with me
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 30 May 2015, 00:50:25
How much harder would it be to have the numpad on the left side?  Am I the only one that thinks the numpad should be on the left side so it doesn't move the mouse out farther?


Even with the numpad on the 'standard' side, it still looks pretty neat tho

Exactly my thoughts! If this was an option, I'd totally be in.

The current version is nice, but I already have too many similar boards, so I have to pass.

But I will keep an eye on this thread to check if a leftside numpad might be a possibility in the future  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: okwchin on Sat, 30 May 2015, 02:58:52
This is something I have been waiting for.

Ive been using my 60% for a while, and I would love to have a number pad, and arrow keys, but without it being much bigger.

I know everyone uses their boards differently. I'd like to just put this layout out there. fundamental changes are outlined in the bluish and yellowish colours.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/a3f5970aa0dd38aa8c346017564554bf

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Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 30 May 2015, 03:28:38
1. Do you know of a CNC place to mill these/cut them yet
2. What material will the case be made of
3. What material will the plate be made of
4. How will the plate be attached to the case
5. Do you need a plate or is PCB mount also an option
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 30 May 2015, 09:07:28
1. Do you know of a CNC place to mill these/cut them yet
2. What material will the case be made of
3. What material will the plate be made of
4. How will the plate be attached to the case
5. Do you need a plate or is PCB mount also an option
I can answer #5: yes, PCB mount is an option. I always design my boards with holes for PCB switches AND PCB Cherry stabilizers, it won't be different on this one.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Sat, 30 May 2015, 11:11:08
1. Do you know of a CNC place to mill these/cut them yet
2. What material will the case be made of
3. What material will the plate be made of
4. How will the plate be attached to the case
5. Do you need a plate or is PCB mount also an option

1. Yes, I do. However, I am looking for places that are cheaper while still maintaining quality.
2. Aluminum. The exact alloy is not decided yet but most likely it'll be 6061.
3. Aluminum, then sandblasted
4. Will mount onto standoffs on the case. All screw points should be hidden underneath keys.
5. Already answered. However, it would look ugly as nothing would be hiding the PCB underneath.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Sat, 30 May 2015, 11:14:55
Quote
, then sandblasted


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Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Mon, 01 June 2015, 01:32:07
UPDATE:

Version with numberpad on left hand side will also be available with all the same features

Custom printed keycaps are no longer looking like an option as they are just so expensive and most of you will put your own caps on them anyways.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 01 June 2015, 09:03:40
UPDATE:

Version with numberpad on left hand side will also be available with all the same features

Custom printed keycaps are no longer looking like an option as they are just so expensive and most of you will put your own caps on them anyways.
But it won't be available at the same time as the version with numpad at the right. Be patient, please.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 01 June 2015, 10:59:58
UPDATE:

Version with numberpad on left hand side will also be available with all the same features

Custom printed keycaps are no longer looking like an option as they are just so expensive and most of you will put your own caps on them anyways.
But it won't be available at the same time as the version with numpad at the right. Be patient, please.

Seems reasonable :)
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: cryptowillem on Mon, 01 June 2015, 13:38:32
I like the concept. Sometimes I really need that numpad!

I, too, would be interested in options for split backspace and right shift, but if those were not possible, I'd still be behind this project. It's something different, and I like it!
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 01 June 2015, 15:05:18
This looks very promising. It still needs a few more things before it really catches my interest. Looks like it is being refined into a great project though.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Mon, 01 June 2015, 15:48:47
This looks very promising. It still needs a few more things before it really catches my interest. Looks like it is being refined into a great project though.

What do you think needs to be different?
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 01 June 2015, 17:15:49
This looks very promising. It still needs a few more things before it really catches my interest. Looks like it is being refined into a great project though.

What do you think needs to be different?
It's been said before so I'm sure you are aware but better layout compatibility such as split backspace, split right shift, and various bottom row layouts. As well as various layouts of the numpad.

What price are you hoping to hit for an unassembled kit?
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Tue, 02 June 2015, 01:59:04
This looks very promising. It still needs a few more things before it really catches my interest. Looks like it is being refined into a great project though.

What do you think needs to be different?
It's been said before so I'm sure you are aware but better layout compatibility such as split backspace, split right shift, and various bottom row layouts. As well as various layouts of the numpad.

What price are you hoping to hit for an unassembled kit?

$250 is the unassembled price unfortunately as sourcing parts is looking to be much higher than expected. Assembled would probably be around $280. Remember these prices may and probably will change by the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 02 June 2015, 02:05:04
Imo you should allow more layouts.
Strict minimum nowadays is :
- ISO enter,
- split backspace
- split Rshift (1.75u+1u)
- ISO L****
- 1.5|1|1.5|7|1.5|1|1.5 bottom row.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: Vaun on Wed, 03 June 2015, 04:56:06
Imo you should allow more layouts.
Strict minimum nowadays is :
- ISO enter,
- split backspace
- split Rshift (1.75u+1u)
- ISO L****
- 1.5|1|1.5|7|1.5|1|1.5 bottom row.

Just my 2 cents.

Agree over 9000%, shouldn't take that much work for it to be compatible with those standard layouts. I would also like to se the 0 on the numpad to be compatible with splitting to allow for a lot more interesting layouts, like the Lightsaver.

EDIT: Super interested in this btw, was looking for somthing like this before but production costs for making just one was abit to steep.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 03 June 2015, 08:23:09
"Ask and thou shalt receive."

We heard you suggestions!
Tomorrow I will not work on my daily job (Corpus Christi holiday), so I will have time to finish this already delayed first version of the board. Then I will start to chase for errors and make some optimizations.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 03 June 2015, 11:36:13
"Ask and thou shalt receive."

We heard you suggestions!
  • There will be a left-side numpad version of the board, I only need to finish the right-side version before starting working on it
  • ISO support, split backspace and right shift (HHKB-style) are already on the board, just needed to squeeze it a little bit :))
  • When I arrive home today I will start to add more bottom row options
Tomorrow I will not work on my daily job (Corpus Christi holiday), so I will have time to finish this already delayed first version of the board. Then I will start to chase for errors and make some optimizations.

Awesome sounds like a big step in a very good direction.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: greath on Wed, 03 June 2015, 11:45:00
"Ask and thou shalt receive."

We heard you suggestions!
  • There will be a left-side numpad version of the board, I only need to finish the right-side version before starting working on it
  • ISO support, split backspace and right shift (HHKB-style) are already on the board, just needed to squeeze it a little bit :))
  • When I arrive home today I will start to add more bottom row options
Tomorrow I will not work on my daily job (Corpus Christi holiday), so I will have time to finish this already delayed first version of the board. Then I will start to chase for errors and make some optimizations.

Just a thought:

If you just made 2 PCBs (one numpad and one 60%) and gave the PCBs a connector of some sort you could make it so you only have to make one possibly?

As an extension... if you made 2x plates (one for numpad and one for 60%) and designed the case right might it not be possible to fit all the needs in one design? Personally I would love this option because I would put the numpad on the left and if I couldn't get used to it I would move it back the the right side.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 03 June 2015, 11:51:11
"Ask and thou shalt receive."

We heard you suggestions!
  • There will be a left-side numpad version of the board, I only need to finish the right-side version before starting working on it
  • ISO support, split backspace and right shift (HHKB-style) are already on the board, just needed to squeeze it a little bit :))
  • When I arrive home today I will start to add more bottom row options
Tomorrow I will not work on my daily job (Corpus Christi holiday), so I will have time to finish this already delayed first version of the board. Then I will start to chase for errors and make some optimizations.

Just a thought:

If you just made 2 PCBs (one numpad and one 60%) and gave the PCBs a connector of some sort you could make it so you only have to make one possibly?

As an extension... if you made 2x plates (one for numpad and one for 60%) and designed the case right might it not be possible to fit all the needs in one design? Personally I would love this option because I would put the numpad on the left and if I couldn't get used to it I would move it back the the right side.
It is a possibility. Problem is: I can't find a connector with a profile low enough for it. I know they exist, but I can't find them on Mouser, Digikey or Newark. Any suggestions on these are welcome, as they would simplify the design.

EDIT: By "low enough", I mean a connector with less than 5mm of height when soldered on the board.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: greath on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:01:08
"Ask and thou shalt receive."

We heard you suggestions!
  • There will be a left-side numpad version of the board, I only need to finish the right-side version before starting working on it
  • ISO support, split backspace and right shift (HHKB-style) are already on the board, just needed to squeeze it a little bit :))
  • When I arrive home today I will start to add more bottom row options
Tomorrow I will not work on my daily job (Corpus Christi holiday), so I will have time to finish this already delayed first version of the board. Then I will start to chase for errors and make some optimizations.

Just a thought:

If you just made 2 PCBs (one numpad and one 60%) and gave the PCBs a connector of some sort you could make it so you only have to make one possibly?

As an extension... if you made 2x plates (one for numpad and one for 60%) and designed the case right might it not be possible to fit all the needs in one design? Personally I would love this option because I would put the numpad on the left and if I couldn't get used to it I would move it back the the right side.
It is a possibility. Problem is: I can't find a connector with a profile low enough for it. I know they exist, but I can't find them on Mouser, Digikey or Newark. Any suggestions on these are welcome, as they would simplify the design.

EDIT: By "low enough", I mean a connector with less than 5mm of height when soldered on the board.

I'll take a look and see if I can find anything.

Another possibility would just be just soldering wire no? I know it wouldn't be as finished looking but the thickness would be right.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:10:55
Another possibility would just be just soldering wire no? I know it wouldn't be as finished looking but the thickness would be right.
I know. I want to give a professional look to the board, but if it isn't possible (or possible but too expensive), I'll probably do that.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: greath on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:26:07
I don't know a *ton* about this stuff... but would something like this work? http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/84533-6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs7i6cT6ogu4yu2u1yJsBr1EpyOvc4Q97A%3d (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/84533-6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs7i6cT6ogu4yu2u1yJsBr1EpyOvc4Q97A%3d)

I believe a 6 wire ribbon cable slides into that. Not sure if you'd need more.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:41:43
I don't know a *ton* about this stuff... but would something like this work? http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/84533-6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs7i6cT6ogu4yu2u1yJsBr1EpyOvc4Q97A%3d (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/84533-6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs7i6cT6ogu4yu2u1yJsBr1EpyOvc4Q97A%3d)

I believe a 6 wire ribbon cable slides into that. Not sure if you'd need more.
I'll take a look for alternatives, as I need 9 wires for the keypad (4 columns, 5 rows).
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: greath on Wed, 03 June 2015, 12:48:30
The 9 wire version: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/84953-9/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs7i6cT6ogu4yu2u1yJsBr1mH42S4VyUY0%3d (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/84953-9/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs7i6cT6ogu4yu2u1yJsBr1mH42S4VyUY0%3d)

Again, not sure if this would work but here's a shot. Best of luck on the design!
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: Seranite on Wed, 03 June 2015, 13:41:27
This is a good idea, I think I would be into it. I often have the issue of my full length board being too long and sometimes I'll bump into it with my mouse. However, I still need my number pad because I use it all the time. So removing the arrow key section (which I hardly use) might give me enough space to move my mouse freely without being too close to the keyboard.

...which I'm sure was the thought process behind this whole design.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: ChillyVanilly on Wed, 03 June 2015, 18:48:50
There will be a left-side numpad version of the board, I only need to finish the right-side version before starting working on it

This is my dream board, thank you.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Wed, 03 June 2015, 19:27:27
There will be a left-side numpad version of the board, I only need to finish the right-side version before starting working on it

This is my dream board, thank you.

Should be substantially more affordable than most customs too. It will be a beautiful board.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: Vaun on Thu, 04 June 2015, 05:00:44
I'm going to need to start saving funds pronto. Are you guys working against any deadline?
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Thu, 04 June 2015, 20:21:13
I'm going to need to start saving funds pronto. Are you guys working against any deadline?

No, but it should be finished very soon. The PCB is done and we are just polishing out the silkscreen and making sure the plate supports all the different layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 05 June 2015, 08:15:23
Does anyone knows if Soarer's firmware supports backlighting? If not, then I'll have to start the PCB design from scratch, given some design limitations of tmk_keyboard. :(
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Fri, 05 June 2015, 08:17:15
Does anyone knows if Soarer's firmware supports backlighting? If not, then I'll have to start the PCB design from scratch, given some design limitations of tmk_keyboard. :(

Hey Vinny.
Not good at this stuff, but does this: https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/111 help you?
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 05 June 2015, 08:23:31
Does anyone knows if Soarer's firmware supports backlighting? If not, then I'll have to start the PCB design from scratch, given some design limitations of tmk_keyboard. :(

Hey Vinny.
Not good at this stuff, but does this: https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/issues/111 help you?
hasu already linked that to me. My problem isn't with backlighting per se. It's about the maximum number of columns/rows the firmware support. The way tmk is structured it allows a 16x16 maximum matrix. This keyboard have 19 columns. That's why I'm asking about Soarer's firmware, because AFAIK it is agnostic to column/row number (as long as you have a keyboard with a maximum of 256 keys).
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 05 June 2015, 08:34:31
Nevermind, already found a solution for that. Just need to rearrange some columns and rows, but it'll work.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Fri, 05 June 2015, 08:38:22
Nevermind, already found a solution for that. Just need to rearrange some columns and rows, but it'll work.

Awesome :)
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard >NEEDS A NAME<
Post by: doodersbrother on Sat, 06 June 2015, 02:03:11
Any suggestions as to the name?
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard >NEEDS A NAME<
Post by: radio_killah on Sat, 06 June 2015, 02:13:48
Any suggestions as to the name?

- The Dooder
- "Right"hand man and "Left"hand man for whichever side your keypad is on
- Call one Brennan Huff and the other Dale Doback from "Stepbrothers"
- Dooder K01
- The brother board
- LXXVIII (78 in roman numerals)

Just a few crappy ideas lol
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard >NEEDS A NAME<
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 06 June 2015, 08:11:25
Really interesting. That's a pity I already started on a new project. Good luck with the group buys.:)
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard >NEEDS A NAME<
Post by: Vaun on Sat, 06 June 2015, 12:02:40
I was thinking. If the pcb will be in two parts to support left and right arrangement. Will the plate also be in two parts and will the mounting holes in the case support this? Also need to consider the usb port placement. Would be freaking awesome if you could pull it off.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard >NEEDS A NAME<
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 06 June 2015, 12:10:53
I was thinking. If the pcb will be in two parts to support left and right arrangement. Will the plate also be in two parts and will the mounting holes in the case support this? Also need to consider the usb port placement. Would be freaking awesome if you could pull it off.
After some discussions and design checks, we decided to abandon the idea of separated boards and a single case for both versions: the gains are simply negligible to be worthy.
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard >NEEDS A NAME<
Post by: doodersbrother on Sun, 07 June 2015, 18:31:34
Just wanted to let you guys know the plate for the prototype is on the way! My plates are on the bottom right.

[attachimg=1]
[attachimg=2]
[attachimg=3]

Plates are made of steel and then sandblasted. Should be very solid  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard >NEEDS A NAME<
Post by: Seranite on Mon, 08 June 2015, 09:15:17
Just wanted to let you guys know the plate for the prototype is on the way! My plates are on the bottom right.

(Attachment Link)
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(Attachment Link)

Plates are made of steel and then sandblasted. Should be very solid  :thumb:

Looks great! Much excite  :D
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard >NEEDS A NAME<
Post by: doodersbrother on Wed, 10 June 2015, 18:02:40
If you guys could fill out this (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1MFXEvbBaPe6e-WEeSAgYa00hMYOLsoje871355CnlzE/formResponse) poll it would be very appreciated. Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard &gt;NEEDS A NAME&lt;
Post by: LeandreN on Wed, 10 June 2015, 18:04:54
If you guys could fill out this (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1MFXEvbBaPe6e-WEeSAgYa00hMYOLsoje871355CnlzE/formResponse) poll it would be very appreciated. Thanks!
Eyy, I've got your plates :)
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard >NEEDS A NAME<
Post by: Bull1919 on Wed, 10 June 2015, 21:03:27
You should name it the desktop truck, because it has a similar layout to the apple desktop bus keyboard, and it's built like a truck :P
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Thu, 11 June 2015, 21:50:16
Another update. We decided to omit the second USB port on the hub as we wouldn't have been able to get the ports to be flush with the case. So instead we used the space between the numberpad and alphanumeric part of the keyboard and only use one single USB port. 
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: simonyunhe on Thu, 11 June 2015, 23:50:42
Another update. We decided to omit the second USB port on the hub as we wouldn't have been able to get the ports to be flush with the case. So instead we used the space between the numberpad and alphanumeric part of the keyboard and only use one single USB port.

Good to know, looking forward to get the board.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Sun, 14 June 2015, 20:50:03
PCB completed!!

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sun, 14 June 2015, 21:17:03
PCB completed!!

(Attachment Link)
The PCB core is ready, now I just have to finish the details, namely silkcreen legends.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 15 June 2015, 02:29:58
PCB completed!!

(Attachment Link)
Looks good! Are you the designer behind the Planck PCB?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 15 June 2015, 05:31:45
PCB completed!!

(Attachment Link)
Looks good! Are you the designer behind the Planck PCB?
No, Jack made the design himself.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 15 June 2015, 06:17:23
PCB completed!!

(Attachment Link)
Looks good! Are you the designer behind the Planck PCB?
No, Jack made the design himself.

No, that was actually me.  :D  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70092

But the black PCB was definitely Jack's idea. I prefer red. Red goes faster.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 15 June 2015, 06:29:43
PCB completed!!

(Attachment Link)
Looks good! Are you the designer behind the Planck PCB?
No, Jack made the design himself.

No, that was actually me.  :D  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70092

But the black PCB was definitely Jack's idea. I prefer red. Red goes faster.  ;D
Sorry, didn't know that.

This PCB will be matte black, which is fine. I myself prefer blue because it is cooler. :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: okwchin on Tue, 16 June 2015, 10:48:09
Wooo! looking good!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Sat, 20 June 2015, 19:13:37
Plates came!

(https://i.imgur.com/NxXuHeI.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/zvsjEbi.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/lSMbELq.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/22Y0rbS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R8zOnBX.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/yVDxm2f.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/qZIiXCb.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/GslhvDh.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: cryptowillem on Sat, 20 June 2015, 19:18:19
Plates came!

Woohoo! It's awesome to see this project come together. 
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: simonyunhe on Sat, 20 June 2015, 19:18:48

Plates came!
Great, so we have pcb+plate? Any info for the case?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Sat, 20 June 2015, 19:30:08
Plates came!

Woohoo! It's awesome to see this project come together. 

It'll be quite a nice board when all the parts come!


Plates came!
Great, so we have pcb+plate? Any info for the case?

Actually we have a PCB render. Right now we are just adding the finishing touches on both the PCB and case and then we'll start the prototype run for those two as well.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Vaun on Sun, 21 June 2015, 12:53:53
But are those the final plates? That would make me a sad panda as they are very restricted. But then again I don't see any mounting holes either so are they just a prototype?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: lolpes on Sun, 21 June 2015, 15:20:18
No mounting holes for the plate? :/
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Sun, 21 June 2015, 15:30:04
Not final plates. Just prototypes. The final ones will support more layouts and will have mount holes.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Sun, 21 June 2015, 18:00:14
But are those the final plates? That would make me a sad panda as they are very restricted. But then again I don't see any mounting holes either so are they just a prototype?

No, it is not even close to the final revision.

No mounting holes for the plate? :/

I mean it's a prototype plate just to confirm the layout. The final plate will obviously have mounting holes....
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Invaderevan on Sun, 21 June 2015, 18:10:04
Plates came!

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/NxXuHeI.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/zvsjEbi.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/lSMbELq.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/22Y0rbS.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/R8zOnBX.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/yVDxm2f.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/qZIiXCb.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/GslhvDh.jpg)


Damn son. That is a beautiful looking board, color me interested when a buy gets started!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Vaun on Thu, 25 June 2015, 03:01:41
Are you still considering changes to the layout? Was thinking that if you offer more choices in terms of layout you could spark even bigger interest, like having it as customizable as the Lightsaver.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: simonyunhe on Thu, 25 June 2015, 05:37:36
I guess people will happy to see the plate support such layout, correct me if I'm wrong.(http://i.imgur.com/wuRLYnJ.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/WD67cCW.png)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 25 June 2015, 06:14:10
I guess people will happy to see the plate support such layout, correct me if I'm wrong.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wuRLYnJ.gif)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/WD67cCW.png)

At least the PCB got you covered:
(https://i.imgur.com/C9nYrO0.jpg)

except for the numpad bottom row, but from the OP:
Quote
Instead of splitting up the 2u "0" key into two 1u keys for arrow keys, we decided to move the arrow keys up one row to make sure it retains a standard bottom row for keyset compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 26 June 2015, 06:36:18
Numpad on left = bought. Good luck with this.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 26 June 2015, 06:42:08
Numpad on left = bought. Good luck with this.
Then start saving your money for the TK78-L. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: simonyunhe on Fri, 03 July 2015, 10:55:44
Any updata?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 03 July 2015, 11:39:13
Any updata?
PCB is going to the 5th revision, as we discover errors, make corrections, add/remove features and make modifications due to other facts not electronics-related, like mounting slots positions.

This week is being quite difficult for me: I design only on my spare time, and my daily job is quite busy at the beginning of each month. Add to that a recent case of sleep dysfunction. Work is going slower than I'd like. :(
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: simonyunhe on Sat, 04 July 2015, 09:54:52
Any updata?
PCB is going to the 5th revision, as we discover errors, make corrections, add/remove features and make modifications due to other facts not electronics-related, like mounting slots positions.

This week is being quite difficult for me: I design only on my spare time, and my daily job is quite busy at the beginning of each month. Add to that a recent case of sleep dysfunction. Work is going slower than I'd like. :(
Thanks for the hard work! Take your time. Looking froward to see the finished keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Wed, 08 July 2015, 16:13:35
Another quick update. Plate was finalized.

(http://i.imgur.com/D6cZnaN.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZdwJcxA.png)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Vaun on Wed, 08 July 2015, 17:43:12
Looking good! But won't return require PCB mounted stabs?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 08 July 2015, 17:51:05
Looking good! But won't return require PCB mounted stabs?
Yes, that's right. Universal plates have this side effect, but it is the price you pay when trying to reach a broader audience.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Seranite on Wed, 08 July 2015, 23:07:40
Another quick update. Plate was finalized.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/D6cZnaN.png)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ZdwJcxA.png)


Looking great, excited for this. I may make it my work keyboard.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 08 July 2015, 23:42:19
Some updates: the PCB prototype is already being made, just waiting the fab house to send them. Then we'll start developing a basic firmware for it.

While the PCB isn't here, I already started designing the TK78-L, the version of this keyboard with numpad at the left side. In 30 minutes it is 80% ready, I just needed to redo the guidelines and group move the keys. Just need to redo some traces, now. I think it will be possible to use the same firmware on both keyboards, but cases will not be interchangeable.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 09 July 2015, 03:25:47
I'm so very hyped for this. Dare I say...end game keyboard?



Who am I kidding? :D
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: neuronbasher on Thu, 09 July 2015, 23:52:47
Very interested!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Mon, 13 July 2015, 20:13:38
The parts for the prototype are slowly coming together. We should have an update with details on the final version of the plate and case in the coming days. The Group Buy for the board looks like it will be on the beginning of August.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Ngt on Tue, 14 July 2015, 06:28:14
The parts for the prototype are slowly coming together. We should have an update with details on the final version of the plate and case in the coming days. The Group Buy for the board looks like it will be on the beginning of August.


Cool! Have you ever consider doing a version with an acrylic mid piece? Perhaps it would ask for a lot of changes on the case but I'm curious.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 14 July 2015, 07:17:35
The parts for the prototype are slowly coming together. We should have an update with details on the final version of the plate and case in the coming days. The Group Buy for the board looks like it will be on the beginning of August.

That is excellent news.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Seranite on Tue, 14 July 2015, 12:57:42
The parts for the prototype are slowly coming together. We should have an update with details on the final version of the plate and case in the coming days. The Group Buy for the board looks like it will be on the beginning of August.

That is excellent news.

+1 I am excited for this.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 14 July 2015, 15:16:35
How much power can you draw from the USB hub? I've heard that's an issue with the HHKB for example.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 14 July 2015, 15:53:58
How much power can you draw from the USB hub? I've heard that's an issue with the HHKB for example.
Can't draw much here either. If the datasheets of the components are right, we are talking about 200mA maximum per port.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Wed, 15 July 2015, 16:24:53
The parts for the prototype are slowly coming together. We should have an update with details on the final version of the plate and case in the coming days. The Group Buy for the board looks like it will be on the beginning of August.


Cool! Have you ever consider doing a version with an acrylic mid piece? Perhaps it would ask for a lot of changes on the case but I'm curious.

No, but the next board I am planning will have a small acrylic window of sorts on the back with an RGB LED.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 15 July 2015, 17:07:21
The parts for the prototype are slowly coming together. We should have an update with details on the final version of the plate and case in the coming days. The Group Buy for the board looks like it will be on the beginning of August.


Cool! Have you ever consider doing a version with an acrylic mid piece? Perhaps it would ask for a lot of changes on the case but I'm curious.

No, but the next board I am planning will have a small acrylic window of sorts on the back with an RGB LED.
Would it have the same layout?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Wed, 15 July 2015, 17:32:41
The parts for the prototype are slowly coming together. We should have an update with details on the final version of the plate and case in the coming days. The Group Buy for the board looks like it will be on the beginning of August.


Cool! Have you ever consider doing a version with an acrylic mid piece? Perhaps it would ask for a lot of changes on the case but I'm curious.

No, but the next board I am planning will have a small acrylic window of sorts on the back with an RGB LED.
Would it have the same layout?

No. It's still in the concept stage so we don't know if it's even going to be produced.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 15 July 2015, 17:33:56
The parts for the prototype are slowly coming together. We should have an update with details on the final version of the plate and case in the coming days. The Group Buy for the board looks like it will be on the beginning of August.


Cool! Have you ever consider doing a version with an acrylic mid piece? Perhaps it would ask for a lot of changes on the case but I'm curious.

No, but the next board I am planning will have a small acrylic window of sorts on the back with an RGB LED.
Would it have the same layout?

No. It's still in the concept stage so we don't know if it's even going to be produced.
Fair enough.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: vistination on Thu, 16 July 2015, 13:44:00
 :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Thu, 16 July 2015, 13:45:43
Another quick update!

I found places for sandblasting, laser cutting, anodizing, and milling that all offer very reasonable prices in the US. Which means that the entire board (except for PCB) will be made in the US for those people who care about this kind of stuff.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Seranite on Thu, 16 July 2015, 14:45:37
Another quick update!

I found places for sandblasting, laser cutting, anodizing, and milling that all offer very reasonable prices in the US. Which means that the entire board (except for PCB) will be made in the US for those people who care about this kind of stuff.

USA! USA!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Fri, 17 July 2015, 14:13:09
Another update: Final revision of the plates have been ordered. One just sandblasted, and two sandblasted/anodized in neon blue and the standard gunmetal grey. Should be here in a week.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 17 July 2015, 23:16:21
Awww yis.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Tue, 21 July 2015, 01:00:45
Large Update

PCB's
Just ordered the prototype PCB's. We had a bunch of problems trying to order prototype PCB's with assembly. The thing with assembly is that it's very expensive at small quantities, which prototyping tends to be in.  Instead, Vinicius changed the design to use 0805 SMD components instead and the non-QFN version of the Atmel processor which would allow me to assemble the PCB myself. This time the order is concrete so you won't be seeing another update saying we ordered the PCB prototypes ;D They should get here within a week.

Plates:
As I said above, I ordered the final version of the plate in various colors and finishes. Those should be here in about a week as well.

Cases:
The final touches are being made to the case. We can source the cases locally through machine shops so the case will be here within 3 or 4 days of the files being finalized.

A few other things:
I talked with Sprit and we agreed to make gold stabilizers a default on the board as well as give you the chance to buy some gold springs. Cherry switches will also be able to be purchased for 50 cents a switch with the TK78 kit.
I ordered the LED's, PCB components, Gaterons, and other parts for the final prototype. The base firmware is steadily being worked on and should be ready soon.


Prototype will be made within a week or two and the Group Buy will commence soon after
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Wed, 22 July 2015, 16:55:39
Components for Prototype PCB arrived!

(https://i.imgur.com/t9y7v36.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FCDKVWy.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Ngt on Thu, 23 July 2015, 01:36:05
Components for Prototype PCB arrived!

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/t9y7v36.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/FCDKVWy.jpg)

Looking forward to see how everything goes together.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Sat, 25 July 2015, 04:03:59
Plates have been anodized! They'll arrive by Monday.

(https://i.imgur.com/hHkgPL2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ivNwdeD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/InLXDdi.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 25 July 2015, 08:26:21
What kind of anodizing options are we getting? This is exciting stuff!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 25 July 2015, 09:41:43
For the prototypes we will have gunmetal gray and turquoise, don't know about production run.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Seranite on Sat, 25 July 2015, 12:33:34
For the prototypes we will have gunmetal gray and turquoise, don't know about production run.

Two of my favorite colors  :eek:

If either of those make it in to the production run I'm going to have a hard time choosing.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sun, 26 July 2015, 04:06:00
For the prototypes we will have gunmetal gray and turquoise, don't know about production run.

Two of my favorite colors  :eek:

If either of those make it in to the production run I'm going to have a hard time choosing.

Me too.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Mon, 27 July 2015, 14:12:08
PCB's and plates have both shipped. DHL says they'll be here Wednesday.

Case is about to be milled.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 28 July 2015, 12:46:40
I've finished the firmware some days ago, but can only be sure that it works when the prototype is assembled and the firmware flashed.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Ngt on Tue, 28 July 2015, 17:12:13
I've finished the firmware some days ago, but can only be sure that it works when the prototype is assembled and the firmware flashed.


Looking forward to hear about that. :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: THSdrummer on Wed, 29 July 2015, 13:34:43
Just wanted to mention my interest in this board. It sounds like an ideal work board for me. Only thing that would make it better would be if a "delete" key was accessible without hitting an Fn key as well. I'd love to have a smaller keyboard with a number pad though.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 29 July 2015, 13:41:48
Just wanted to mention my interest in this board. It sounds like an ideal work board for me. Only thing that would make it better would be if a "delete" key was accessible without hitting an Fn key as well. I'd love to have a smaller keyboard with a number pad though.
We will be using TMK as the firmware and releasing the source code for this keyboard, so you are free to add a Delete key for yourself. :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mbrown559 on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:57:06
Definitely interested if we can get a left number pad version
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:57:37
Definitely interested if we can get a left number pad version
It's coming later
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 29 July 2015, 16:41:16
Definitely interested if we can get a left number pad version
It's coming later
The PCB design for the left side numpad version is finished, by the way. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 29 July 2015, 17:06:35
Definitely interested if we can get a left number pad version
It's coming later
The PCB design for the left side numpad version is finished, by the way. ;)

Jesus that PCB must look crazy, sooo many switch modules in such a small area.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: THSdrummer on Thu, 30 July 2015, 08:08:14
Just wanted to mention my interest in this board. It sounds like an ideal work board for me. Only thing that would make it better would be if a "delete" key was accessible without hitting an Fn key as well. I'd love to have a smaller keyboard with a number pad though.
We will be using TMK as the firmware and releasing the source code for this keyboard, so you are free to add a Delete key for yourself. :)

I'm not super great with this sort of stuff, but sounds great! This could be my ideal work keyboard! I'm excited.

Thanks!  :D
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 30 July 2015, 08:19:30
I'm not super great with this sort of stuff, but sounds great! This could be my ideal work keyboard! I'm excited.

Thanks!  :D
You and about 95% of mechanical keyboard enthusiasts. We are looking for an easy way to allow people to reprogram their keyboards, as editing source code isn't exactly an option for the majority. So far I have found an online source generator for other keyboards, would need someone to make a version for the TK78.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: THSdrummer on Thu, 30 July 2015, 13:07:18
I'm not super great with this sort of stuff, but sounds great! This could be my ideal work keyboard! I'm excited.

Thanks!  :D
You and about 95% of mechanical keyboard enthusiasts. We are looking for an easy way to allow people to reprogram their keyboards, as editing source code isn't exactly an option for the majority. So far I have found an online source generator for other keyboards, would need someone to make a version for the TK78.

Just after reading threads, it sounds like everyone can program and code except me. Good to know I'm not alone.

Thanks so much for putting so much work into this board and its functions. I'm drooling over the idea of saving desk space, without losing any functionality or productivity.  :p
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Thu, 30 July 2015, 19:30:34
PCB's and plates arrived!

https://imgur.com/a/6MxRD

I linked to imgur because that many embedded images would lag the page.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 31 July 2015, 00:44:42
They look great from here. Are you happy with them?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mbrown559 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:48:47
PCB's and plates arrived!

https://imgur.com/a/6MxRD

I linked to imgur because that many embedded images would lag the page.

It sounds like the left number pad PCB has been created.  Should we anticipate the left number pad version available in the first buy or at a later date?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 31 July 2015, 13:00:10
It sounds like the left number pad PCB has been created.  Should we anticipate the left number pad version available in the first buy or at a later date?
I really don't know. At the moment we are debugging the prototype, both hardware and firmware. I already have a list of changes that must be done.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mbrown559 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 13:31:29
It sounds like the left number pad PCB has been created.  Should we anticipate the left number pad version available in the first buy or at a later date?
I really don't know. At the moment we are debugging the prototype, both hardware and firmware. I already have a list of changes that must be done.

Awesome, Thank you for the update and for all the hardwork on this project :).  Can't wait to see the final version.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Fri, 31 July 2015, 14:04:20
(https://i.imgur.com/Dv5Nh81.jpg)

Also, another exciting update. Since anodizing is so cheap from the manufacturer, the case and plate will have numerous colors available. You can also mix and choose. For example, a black case with a red plate, etc.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: lolpes on Fri, 31 July 2015, 15:09:44
Hey could you put a keycap set on just to see the overrall look? :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: lolpes on Fri, 31 July 2015, 15:17:27
Also, what happened here? :/

(http://i.imgur.com/SmJh3g8.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 31 July 2015, 15:24:04
Also, what happened here? :/

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/SmJh3g8.jpg)

Remember: this is a prototype. We are debugging the board, this kind of patch is common at this phase.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: lolpes on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:14:38
No prob ;) Happened to me before for bad sodering job :/
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:24:28
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Dv5Nh81.jpg)


Also, another exciting update. Since anodizing is so cheap from the manufacturer, the case and plate will have numerous colors available. You can also mix and choose. For example, a black case with a red plate, etc.


REally cool news! Are we still close to the price tag given in the OP or higher/lower?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:54:48

Also, another exciting update. Since anodizing is so cheap from the manufacturer, the case and plate will have numerous colors available. You can also mix and choose. For example, a black case with a red plate, etc.

This just keeps getting better.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Binge on Fri, 31 July 2015, 19:08:16
numpad on the left....
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Fri, 31 July 2015, 19:54:44
numpad on the left....

That would be the TK78-L (L indicating left hand  :p) which will launch on massdrop in the future.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 01 August 2015, 01:33:47
Oh wow I really want this. If you can keep it in the ~$250 range, I'm totally in.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: von_braun on Sat, 01 August 2015, 09:59:50
Very interested!

Especially in a pre-soldered PCB, plate, stab and case kit.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Sat, 01 August 2015, 11:47:21
Oh wow I really want this. If you can keep it in the ~$250 range, I'm totally in.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Dv5Nh81.jpg)


Also, another exciting update. Since anodizing is so cheap from the manufacturer, the case and plate will have numerous colors available. You can also mix and choose. For example, a black case with a red plate, etc.


REally cool news! Are we still close to the price tag given in the OP or higher/lower?

Slightly higher (~$25) because the machine shop raised their prices to ridiculous levels. I did find another machine shop, but it is still $30 more expensive than I planned.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:55:04
Oh wow I really want this. If you can keep it in the ~$250 range, I'm totally in.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Dv5Nh81.jpg)


Also, another exciting update. Since anodizing is so cheap from the manufacturer, the case and plate will have numerous colors available. You can also mix and choose. For example, a black case with a red plate, etc.


REally cool news! Are we still close to the price tag given in the OP or higher/lower?

Slightly higher (~$25) because the machine shop raised their prices to ridiculous levels. I did find another machine shop, but it is still $30 more expensive than I planned.


Fair enough, thanks for letting us know. I wonder, do you have any idea what could be the estimated start date of the GB?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 02 August 2015, 10:59:37
Just filled out the form on page 2.

Will keep an close an on this and hopefully score a board with the numpad on the left  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Ngt on Sun, 02 August 2015, 12:13:31
Just filled out the form on page 2.

Will keep an close an on this and hopefully score a board with the numpad on the left  :thumb:


Perhaps I'm blind but I can seem to find the link you are referring to ...  ::)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Orgell_Evaan on Tue, 04 August 2015, 23:45:18
Are the plates and cases being made and Anodized by 2 different shops?

Color matching will be rough, if so.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Wed, 05 August 2015, 02:35:29
Interested :3
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Wed, 05 August 2015, 12:51:53
Are the plates and cases being made and Anodized by 2 different shops?

Color matching will be rough, if so.

Same shop.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:03:15
Just filled out the form on page 2.

Will keep an close an on this and hopefully score a board with the numpad on the left  :thumb:


Perhaps I'm blind but I can seem to find the link you are referring to ...  ::)


https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=72329.msg1774722#msg1774722
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: linkshine on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:33:13
Filled out your form and submitted the name "78 dockdock"
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: SadisticReap on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:57:36
I suggested the name Platinum, because that is what 78 is on the periodic table.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:02:56
I suggested the name Platinum, because that is what 78 is on the periodic table.
That's the best name idea I've heard!


Edit: and the ISO keyboard should be named Gold, because it will have 79 keys :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:04:09
Filled out your form and submitted the name "78 dockdock"

I suggested the name Platinum, because that is what 78 is on the periodic table.

Guys, the keyboards' names are already chosen: TK78-R & TK78-L, the last letter indicating at which side the numpad will be located.

Fast update: the components for assembling my prototype arrived yesterday, the PCB should be delivered later today. We are facing some difficulties that need to be debugged, but as I am the only team member with experience in that field, only now I'll be able to really work on that. The USB hub is giving us headaches. :(
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:10:09


Filled out your form and submitted the name "78 dockdock"

I suggested the name Platinum, because that is what 78 is on the periodic table.

Guys, the keyboards' names are already chosen: TK78-R & TK78-L, the last letter indicating at which side the numpad will be located.
I knew, was just joking around.

Good luck with the project Vinny :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Ngt on Thu, 06 August 2015, 02:55:23
Just filled out the form on page 2.

Will keep an close an on this and hopefully score a board with the numpad on the left  :thumb:


Perhaps I'm blind but I can seem to find the link you are referring to ...  ::)


https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=72329.msg1774722#msg1774722 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=72329.msg1774722#msg1774722)


Thank you.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: LunarisDream on Thu, 06 August 2015, 11:00:09
Looks very nice! I've always liked the layout of the QF TK but couldn't find many alternatives with a similar layout. Seems like the best of both worlds to me - 80% but still with a numpad, and you can still have the arrow keys in regular layout if the kb is programmable.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Tue, 11 August 2015, 02:04:59
Just what I was looking for :D I didn't miss the buy for this, did I?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 11 August 2015, 02:09:37
Just what I was looking for :D I didn't miss the buy for this, did I?

No, you haven't missed anything.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: SadisticReap on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:05:02
Any updates?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:40:34
Any updates?
Still debugging the keyboard. I don't know why, but I can't upload an updated firmware using Flip on the board. On the weekend I'll have time to use an ICSP programmer to reload the DFU bootloader and upload the new firmware.

Meanwhile I'm updating the design of the USB hub, which didn't worked at all on this board. Seems like I've cut too much components from the standard design, and some of those components are important for the IC. The problem here is that I screwed up my USB IC and will only have money to buy a new one next month. :( (Here in Brazil salary is payed monthly, that's why it'll take so long.)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: SadisticReap on Thu, 13 August 2015, 18:49:26
Well hopefully it goes smooth over the weekend then, and sorry to hear about the USB. Look at it this way, first runs are always a pain, but the runs after go a lot smoother.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Wed, 19 August 2015, 21:12:11
We're currently developing the 2nd version of the prototype. Just a small update.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: SadisticReap on Thu, 20 August 2015, 01:25:00
What changes are being made? How far back will this set the GB?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Thu, 27 August 2015, 17:23:57
Case arrived. It was damaged while shipping. There are still a few problems that are being fixed.

(https://i.imgur.com/XhFR98W.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0sIU0wi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WsqcpZN.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Ngt on Thu, 27 August 2015, 18:23:07
Case arrived. It was damaged while shipping. There are still a few problems that are being fixed.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/XhFR98W.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0sIU0wi.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/WsqcpZN.jpg)



Really cool picture and prototype! I like it. I need it in my life!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: SadisticReap on Thu, 27 August 2015, 20:48:48
 :eek: I can't wait to get my hands on one!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: THSdrummer on Fri, 28 August 2015, 07:56:37
Just curious, but do we have an estimated order date for these? I saw the Reddit post. It looks gorgeous! Just need to figure what I'm doing financially. :-\

But I can't think of a better keyboard for my office.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 28 August 2015, 08:04:33
Just curious, but do we have an estimated order date for these? I saw the Reddit post. It looks gorgeous! Just need to figure what I'm doing financially. :-\

But I can't think of a better keyboard for my office.
I'm making a new revision of the PCB, correcting the errors found on the prototype. The case will also have to be slightly changed. So, the best estimate I can give you is: it will be done when it is done.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: THSdrummer on Fri, 28 August 2015, 08:33:02
Just curious, but do we have an estimated order date for these? I saw the Reddit post. It looks gorgeous! Just need to figure what I'm doing financially. :-\

But I can't think of a better keyboard for my office.
I'm making a new revision of the PCB, correcting the errors found on the prototype. The case will also have to be slightly changed. So, the best estimate I can give you is: it will be done when it is done.

Haha, cool beans. Just don't want to miss this group buy! I'd rather have a well-done, and tested product, than rushed slop.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: ccc24 on Fri, 06 November 2015, 16:55:39
any updates on the prototype? What's the estimated price?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: skullydazed on Fri, 06 November 2015, 18:26:28
I've taken over the PCB since Vinny has been too busy to work on it. Prototypes are in doodersbrother's hands and he'll be building them soon. Once those are built and tested we can make sure the TMK fork I've put together for this will work:

https://github.com/skullydazed/tmk_keyboard/tree/master/keyboard/tk78-r

I've changed the backlighting from a single MOSFET that turned all LED's on at once to the NXP PCA9634PW (http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/PCA9634.pdf), which lets us use full brightness by cycling through each row. As a bonus we'll have 3 pins on this chip left open, so hardware hackers and people who want to add more lighting will have a way to do so. I've exposed these pins, plus VCC and GND, on the board:

(http://i.imgur.com/wvPp8ZS.png)

Watch this space, more exciting news to come.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Fri, 06 November 2015, 18:32:14
Glad to hear that things are moving along. I'm really excited to get my hands on a TK78!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 07 November 2015, 12:58:39
I've taken over the PCB since Vinny has been too busy to work on it. Prototypes are in doodersbrother's hands and he'll be building them soon. Once those are built and tested we can make sure the TMK fork I've put together for this will work:

https://github.com/skullydazed/tmk_keyboard/tree/master/keyboard/tk78-r

I've changed the backlighting from a single MOSFET that turned all LED's on at once to the NXP PCA9634PW (http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/PCA9634.pdf), which lets us use full brightness by cycling through each row. As a bonus we'll have 3 pins on this chip left open, so hardware hackers and people who want to add more lighting will have a way to do so. I've exposed these pins, plus VCC and GND, on the board:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wvPp8ZS.png)


Watch this space, more exciting news to come.
Good to see that the project is up and running again. But I have a question: are the LED rows directly connected to the PCA9634PW pins? Because it can't handle a current higher than 25mA/pin according to the datasheet. You can make the PCA9634PW drive a transistor or MOSFET and then connect it to the LED's, as suggested on the datasheet itself.

And I'm guessing that you are working on the code for I2C communication for the LED's to work. Can't wait about that. :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: skullydazed on Sat, 07 November 2015, 15:18:35
I've taken over the PCB since Vinny has been too busy to work on it. Prototypes are in doodersbrother's hands and he'll be building them soon. Once those are built and tested we can make sure the TMK fork I've put together for this will work:

https://github.com/skullydazed/tmk_keyboard/tree/master/keyboard/tk78-r

I've changed the backlighting from a single MOSFET that turned all LED's on at once to the NXP PCA9634PW (http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/PCA9634.pdf), which lets us use full brightness by cycling through each row. As a bonus we'll have 3 pins on this chip left open, so hardware hackers and people who want to add more lighting will have a way to do so. I've exposed these pins, plus VCC and GND, on the board:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/wvPp8ZS.png)


Watch this space, more exciting news to come.
Good to see that the project is up and running again. But I have a question: are the LED rows directly connected to the PCA9634PW pins? Because it can't handle a current higher than 25mA/pin according to the datasheet. You can make the PCA9634PW drive a transistor or MOSFET and then connect it to the LED's, as suggested on the datasheet itself.

And I'm guessing that you are working on the code for I2C communication for the LED's to work. Can't wait about that. :)
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No, each row is connected through a MOSFET. You can see the one for row 5 to the left there.

And yes, putting together code for the I2C is on my todo list. The prototypes should be built soon so I better get working on it. :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 07 November 2015, 15:38:51
No, each row is connected through a MOSFET. You can see the one for row 5 to the left there.

And yes, putting together code for the I2C is on my todo list. The prototypes should be built soon so I better get working on it. :)

Nice! Didn't saw the MOSFET before. I hope everything goes alright. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Mon, 30 November 2015, 16:57:24
It's been a little while, but I've been thinking about this PCB a lot lately. Just wondering how the project is proceeding.   :D
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Sun, 06 December 2015, 03:52:19
The project is so close to completion. A pesky short has been delaying the any progress for a short while, but this is almost complete.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Sun, 06 December 2015, 04:15:30
Hyped. Can't wait to see more.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 06 December 2015, 20:23:42
Glad to hear this is close. Really excited for this!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VikG on Tue, 08 December 2015, 12:32:52
Hi!  I am wondering if the TK78-L will still be happening.  I'd really love a keyboard with a left-side numpad, especially a programmable+mechanical one.

Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: skullydazed on Tue, 08 December 2015, 12:42:04
Hi!  I am wondering if the TK78-L will still be happening.  I'd really love a keyboard with a left-side numpad, especially a programmable+mechanical one.

It is! I've been working on it as time permits but right now my TK78 time is focused on getting the TK78-R finished up. Look for TK78-L news in January.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Tue, 08 December 2015, 14:20:00
Hi!  I am wondering if the TK78-L will still be happening.  I'd really love a keyboard with a left-side numpad, especially a programmable+mechanical one.

You may want to have a look at The Monarch (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75786.0).
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 08 December 2015, 14:52:34
Hi!  I am wondering if the TK78-L will still be happening.  I'd really love a keyboard with a left-side numpad, especially a programmable+mechanical one.

You may want to have a look at The Monarch (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75786.0).
The Monarch exclusively uses ALPS switches, the TK78-L will be a Cherry MX board.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Tue, 08 December 2015, 16:52:36
True. But if VikG wants a left-hand-num and is curious about the world of Alps, there's something out there right now. Just a suggestion.  :))
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: VikG on Tue, 08 December 2015, 22:02:40

You may want to have a look at The Monarch (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75786.0).
The Monarch exclusively uses ALPS switches, the TK78-L will be a Cherry MX board.

True. But if VikG wants a left-hand-num and is curious about the world of Alps, there's something out there right now. Just a suggestion.  :))

I have seen the Monarch, and it's very attractive, but was hesitant about joining the group buy because a) ALPS, b) high price, c) hoping that the TK78-L will happen.  I am pretty sure that orders have been closed for Monarch for a while now, and I am a little regretful about not having gotten on board.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the TK78-L! :)
Title: Re: [IC] 78 Key 60% + Numpad Keyboard
Post by: JeremyFXDWG on Fri, 18 December 2015, 21:50:10
This is something I have been waiting for.

Ive been using my 60% for a while, and I would love to have a number pad, and arrow keys, but without it being much bigger.

I know everyone uses their boards differently. I'd like to just put this layout out there. fundamental changes are outlined in the bluish and yellowish colours.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/a3f5970aa0dd38aa8c346017564554bf

That is the layout I am looking for as well.

(Attachment Link)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: roadkill54 on Sat, 19 December 2015, 15:58:30
Interested
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 20 December 2015, 09:18:02
+1 Very Interesting!  :thumb:
Not sure if its already to late, but I would be totally in love if arrow key layouts would be supported in Lightsaver like fashion.

okwchin originally posted this layout, leaving out the gap completely which I really like:

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72329.0;attach=102063;image)


Another option could be to just support a full 1u Numpad (and maybe split Backspace) to allow for more options including arrow keys.
This would be a much smaller change only affecting pcb and plate, but still allowing for arrow key layouts! :D

Like this for example: (quick sketchy mockup)

(http://i.imgur.com/lNwoiUb.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 20 December 2015, 13:55:29
More
+1 Very Interesting!  :thumb:
Not sure if its already to late, but I would be totally in love if arrow key layouts would be supported in Lightsaver like fashion.

okwchin originally posted this layout, leaving out the gap completely which I really like:

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72329.0;attach=102063;image)



Another option could be to just support a full 1u Numpad (and maybe split Backspace) to allow for more options including arrow keys.
This would be a much smaller change only affecting pcb and plate, but still allowing for arrow key layouts! :D

Like this for example: (quick sketchy mockup)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/lNwoiUb.jpg)


Pretty sure it's already been stated that they don't want to do a split 0 due to keycap compatibility. I wanted the grid numpad too =/
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: romevi on Sun, 20 December 2015, 14:16:18
Neat.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Lobosmoose on Mon, 21 December 2015, 03:12:20
Not sure if it's already been mentioned or its to late in production to change, but why not get rid of the gap in-between the numpad and the modifiers? Might be something to do with the PCB design having restrictions but that gap is a deal breaker for me.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 10 January 2016, 20:45:13
It's been a little while since there's been any update here? Care to let us know where this project currently is? I'd love to get my hands on a new projects board soon and I'm hoping that this'll be it.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: w00zie on Mon, 11 January 2016, 20:05:06
This would be the perfect work keyboard. Bring this back to life
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 11 January 2016, 21:36:20
This would be the perfect work keyboard. Bring this back to life

I agree. Perfect work *from home* board ;)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: skullydazed on Tue, 12 January 2016, 19:23:32
It's been a little while since there's been any update here? Care to let us know where this project currently is? I'd love to get my hands on a new projects board soon and I'm hoping that this'll be it.

I just received the latest batch of prototypes from the assembly house. I had to correct a couple small problems that may have been the assembler not looking closely enough or may have been silkscreens that were too confusing (I will be making them more clear for the next revision in either case) but otherwise these boards are looking pretty good. I've got 5 in hand and will be sending 3 of them to doodersbrothers for testing and validation.

(http://i.imgur.com/zJJ1R6U.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: w00zie on Tue, 12 January 2016, 19:35:10
It's been a little while since there's been any update here? Care to let us know where this project currently is? I'd love to get my hands on a new projects board soon and I'm hoping that this'll be it.

I just received the latest batch of prototypes from the assembly house. I had to correct a couple small problems that may have been the assembler not looking closely enough or may have been silkscreens that were too confusing (I will be making them more clear for the next revision in either case) but otherwise these boards are looking pretty good. I've got 5 in hand and will be sending 3 of them to doodersbrothers for testing and validation.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/zJJ1R6U.jpg)


Thanks for taking this project on. I will (try to) patiently wait for this.  :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 12 January 2016, 19:41:11
It's been a little while since there's been any update here? Care to let us know where this project currently is? I'd love to get my hands on a new projects board soon and I'm hoping that this'll be it.

I just received the latest batch of prototypes from the assembly house. I had to correct a couple small problems that may have been the assembler not looking closely enough or may have been silkscreens that were too confusing (I will be making them more clear for the next revision in either case) but otherwise these boards are looking pretty good. I've got 5 in hand and will be sending 3 of them to doodersbrothers for testing and validation.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/zJJ1R6U.jpg)


Wonderful! Great to see some forward motion here! Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Tue, 12 January 2016, 20:37:23
Yeah! It's hard to be patient but we appreciate updates like this. :D
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: punkpc on Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:41:51
This project is looking great! Can't wait!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: alexjd99 on Thu, 04 February 2016, 22:44:43
So since it looks like the PCB will support it, the plate will support some alt options like 1u+1u backspace and 1.75u+1u shift?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Brammm87 on Fri, 05 February 2016, 01:35:04
Oh man, only saw this now. This tickles my fancy! I do love me a compact keyboard, but I miss my numpad.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: nguyenkimtam on Fri, 05 February 2016, 11:57:31
Great layout  :p
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: TurtleHat on Tue, 09 February 2016, 14:47:11
I'm definitely interested in getting myself one of these. I look forward to seeing more developments.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: nevaenuf on Thu, 03 March 2016, 19:30:31
i really want one.  If there's a list to be added to, please add me!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Sun, 06 March 2016, 20:52:09
Any update here? Still waiting patiently.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: THSdrummer on Tue, 15 March 2016, 18:16:43
Hey,

I know I'm checking in off and on, but I really don't want to miss this. I'd like to get a work keyboard by the time I start in June/July, so hoping this is taking off sometime soon-ish. Either way, I'd still like to jump on board. I might be able to write the occasion off to be a RGB Pok3r, but I could really use a numpad.

I can imagine it's been hard work locking everything down and testing it. I greatly appreciate the hard work. Just hoping to hear some sort of update :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Wed, 16 March 2016, 13:22:08
At this point I believe that we are only waiting on the final case prototype to show up  :thumb: Group buy should hopefully launch pretty quick after everything is completely finalized.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Wed, 16 March 2016, 15:09:55
At this point I believe that we are only waiting on the final case prototype to show up  :thumb: Group buy should hopefully launch pretty quick after everything is completely finalized.

Fantastic! :thumb:
Title: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Atredl on Fri, 18 March 2016, 00:48:42
Hopefully this buy happens soon :) I'd also like to express my interest for a turquoise case/plate option. I need a turquoise keyboard in my life. :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: doodersbrother on Tue, 29 March 2016, 23:09:57
Update time! The case prototype has come in, everything fits and the board is ready to go. Here is a link to pictures of the prototype https://imgur.com/a/wHExd. The group buy should be launching soon :D
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: alexjd99 on Tue, 29 March 2016, 23:10:58
Update time! The case prototype has come in, everything fits and the board is ready to go. Here is a link to pictures of the prototype https://imgur.com/a/wHExd. The group buy should be launching soon :D

Hype! I already picked up some Zeals for this build. Can't wait for it!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Wed, 30 March 2016, 06:14:38
Awwyeaa, this is looking good!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Wed, 30 March 2016, 11:14:53
(http://i.giphy.com/jz2VNqCrlFsPe.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: OfTheWild on Thu, 31 March 2016, 16:30:17
cant wait for this board... so much perfect contained in such a small package.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Willyc277 on Thu, 31 March 2016, 20:55:53
Damn, that case looks FLAWLESS for a prototype! Very very impressed!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Fri, 01 April 2016, 22:47:16
So, do we know what the color options are going to be yet? Or is this still undecided?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:07:31
Woke up and saw this kit on Massdrop, Sentrak TK78 (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/sentraq-tk78-mechanical-keyboard-kit). Comparing the pictures with doodersbrother's album https://imgur.com/a/wHExd this appears to be the their kit. And I'm a bit miffed that I have to buy the whole kit when I already have switches, caps, LEDs, and even a custom case design in the works. :/
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: joey on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:09:24
You might be able to grab one of the prototype PCBs..
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:15:21
I would love that, but skully and dood mentioned problems in some of their boards. As long as they aren't functional problems, I'd put down some cash...
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: LeandreN on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:16:30
Woo, finally live. I'll probably pick a set up. Black case, purple plate and Gateron blues?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: THSdrummer on Tue, 19 April 2016, 11:05:15
Awww, no MX clear switch options? Anyway to opt out of any switches then? I was really thinking about going with Zealios and making it my dream board.

Still, plan on picking it up. My start date at my work is June 27th for orientation, 28th for the office. Hope to have it all by then!

Also, can we see colors? I like the sounds of cyan, but just want to make sure we're on the same wavelength as to how it looks.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Saiph on Tue, 19 April 2016, 11:13:34
Awww, no MX clear switch options? Anyway to opt out of any switches then? I was really thinking about going with Zealios and making it my dream board.

Still, plan on picking it up. My start date at my work is June 27th for orientation, 28th for the office. Hope to have it all by then!

Also, can we see colors? I like the sounds of cyan, but just want to make sure we're on the same wavelength as to how it looks.

The post on reddit mentioned that they'll add an option to opt out of switches and keycaps. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4fhl16/gb_tk78_mechanical_keyboard_kit_now_available/d28u3hs (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4fhl16/gb_tk78_mechanical_keyboard_kit_now_available/d28u3hs)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Tue, 19 April 2016, 11:48:12
Thank the lawd. Fingers crossed for opting out of the case as well <_<
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: alexjd99 on Tue, 19 April 2016, 17:29:29
This is pretty disappointing, no option for just PCB plate and case? I got zeal switches for this buy already and have more than enough caps for it.

I was pretty hyped for this, but now I'm not really feelin it  :(

EDIT: ITT I learn to read the rest of the thread before getting my pitchfork
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: THSdrummer on Tue, 19 April 2016, 18:33:01
Awww, no MX clear switch options? Anyway to opt out of any switches then? I was really thinking about going with Zealios and making it my dream board.

Still, plan on picking it up. My start date at my work is June 27th for orientation, 28th for the office. Hope to have it all by then!

Also, can we see colors? I like the sounds of cyan, but just want to make sure we're on the same wavelength as to how it looks.

The post on reddit mentioned that they'll add an option to opt out of switches and keycaps. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4fhl16/gb_tk78_mechanical_keyboard_kit_now_available/d28u3hs (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4fhl16/gb_tk78_mechanical_keyboard_kit_now_available/d28u3hs)

You da best. It's been a while since I've wandered onto /r/MK. I randomly check here every few weeks for any updates on this. Glad I checked when I did :)
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 19 April 2016, 22:30:37
Awww, no MX clear switch options? Anyway to opt out of any switches then? I was really thinking about going with Zealios and making it my dream board.

Still, plan on picking it up. My start date at my work is June 27th for orientation, 28th for the office. Hope to have it all by then!

Also, can we see colors? I like the sounds of cyan, but just want to make sure we're on the same wavelength as to how it looks.

The post on reddit mentioned that they'll add an option to opt out of switches and keycaps. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4fhl16/gb_tk78_mechanical_keyboard_kit_now_available/d28u3hs (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4fhl16/gb_tk78_mechanical_keyboard_kit_now_available/d28u3hs)

Thanks for the link. As soon as I can drop keycaps and possibly leds I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: alexjd99 on Wed, 20 April 2016, 22:23:25
So if for whatever reason this drop doesn't reach MOQ on MD, will it be run independently? I'm going to be joining the drop in a day or two, but I'll be pretty bummed if it doesn't reach MOQ and isn't run independently 
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Wed, 20 April 2016, 22:26:07
So if for whatever reason this drop doesn't reach MOQ on MD, will it be run independently? I'm going to be joining the drop in a day or two, but I'll be pretty bummed if it doesn't reach MOQ and isn't run independently

From what I saw over on reddit it seems like a bunch of people are waiting until they allow you to not purchase keycaps, switches, and leds. But yea, I've been waiting for this for a while, so I too will be pretty bummed if this doesn't drop.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 21 April 2016, 06:24:49
Will this board still be available somewhere after the drop ends? Or maybe another drop around the same time Zealios round 3 will be :D?
I really want one, but can't really afford one right now. Especially with customs fees the price will be brutal for me.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:19:22
The barebone kit option(no keycaps, switches, or leds) is up now. You only save $30 from choosing it though.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:40:36
The barebone kit option(no keycaps, switches, or leds) is up now. You only save $30 from choosing it though.

Honestly I'm kinda disappointed with the barebones option. The only thing I don't want is the keycaps. But it doesn't makes sense to source my own switches just to pass on the keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 21 April 2016, 10:23:41
The barebone kit option(no keycaps, switches, or leds) is up now. You only save $30 from choosing it though.

Honestly I'm kinda disappointed with the barebones option. The only thing I don't want is the keycaps. But it doesn't makes sense to source my own switches just to pass on the keycaps.
Ya, as long as they have your switch type it would be much more expensive to opt into the barebone kit just to avoid the keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Thu, 21 April 2016, 10:50:06
The barebone kit option(no keycaps, switches, or leds) is up now. You only save $30 from choosing it though.

Honestly I'm kinda disappointed with the barebones option. The only thing I don't want is the keycaps. But it doesn't makes sense to source my own switches just to pass on the keycaps.
Ya, as long as they have your switch type it would be much more expensive to opt into the barebone kit just to avoid the keycaps.

Yea I know. That's what annoyes me about it. I know I'm paying for keycaps that I'll never use.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Thu, 21 April 2016, 17:08:08
So, for the case and PCB, it's still $218.24 after tax. Yeezus. This is why I just wanted the PCB. Though, looking at how little the switches, caps, and LEDs reduced it I wonder if the PCB alone would come into range of what I can afford. This is a bummer, but I still really love this project, this board form factor,  and I want to support the makers. I'll be fighting back and forth for the duration of this drop on whether to put down 220 clams for a PCB...
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: alexjd99 on Thu, 21 April 2016, 17:13:20
So, for the case and PCB, it's still $218.24 after tax. Yeezus. This is why I just wanted the PCB. Though, looking at how little the switches, caps, and LEDs reduced it I wonder if the PCB alone would come into range of what I can afford. This is a bummer, but I still really love this project, this board form factor,  and I want to support the makers. I'll be fighting back and forth for the duration of this drop on whether to put down 220 clams for a PCB...

220 is a pretty hefty price tag, especially since MD also charges $16 for taxes. I think it may be better to just wait for Duck's trinity gb whenever that's going to happen. Very similar layout, and you get a much heftier build for around the same price.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Thu, 21 April 2016, 19:08:39
Do you have a link to that?
nvm i remembered I know how to use the search function.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Thu, 21 April 2016, 19:26:12
So, for the case and PCB, it's still $218.24 after tax. Yeezus. This is why I just wanted the PCB. Though, looking at how little the switches, caps, and LEDs reduced it I wonder if the PCB alone would come into range of what I can afford. This is a bummer, but I still really love this project, this board form factor,  and I want to support the makers. I'll be fighting back and forth for the duration of this drop on whether to put down 220 clams for a PCB...

220 is a pretty hefty price tag, especially since MD also charges $16 for taxes. I think it may be better to just wait for Duck's trinity gb whenever that's going to happen. Very similar layout, and you get a much heftier build for around the same price.

Yea, it kind of sucks living in one of the two states that they have warehouses in.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 26 April 2016, 22:19:56
Do we know what's going to happen when the MD doesn't go through? I really want this board!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: alexjd99 on Tue, 26 April 2016, 22:33:29
Do we know what's going to happen when the MD doesn't go through? I really want this board!

I have no idea. I'm hoping it will go through, but it's looking pretty bleak right about now. I was really hyped for this when it finally dropped, but when I found out it was on massdrop I was less than happy (since they charge ridiculous markups and gb fees, and most of Massdrop's buyers probably aren't the kind to pay for expensive customs).

I would think after all the work that was put into this it would be run no matter what, but that's just my guess.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Tue, 26 April 2016, 22:37:19
Do we know what's going to happen when the MD doesn't go through? I really want this board!

I have no idea. I'm hoping it will go through, but it's looking pretty bleak right about now. I was really hyped for this when it finally dropped, but when I found out it was on massdrop I was less than happy (since they charge ridiculous markups and gb fees, and most of Massdrop's buyers probably aren't the kind to pay for expensive customs).

I would think after all the work that was put into this it would be run no matter what, but that's just my guess.

I tend to agree with you on that. I always like ordering through MD because I continue to have positive experiences with them. However, you're definitely right about paying the premium for it, and having to pay tax (depending on what state you're in). If it doesn't drop, I really hope that it runs independently as I've been waiting for this board for quite a while.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 27 April 2016, 06:20:46
Keeping in mind that this is a very expensive keyboard I just rather would not go with massdrop, too. I really question the choice fo massdrop here. When "Domestic and international orders will be shipped by the vendor"  I'd rather have direct contact to the seller if he is going to be the one doing the final shipping anyways.

I'm still probably not going to join, even tough this is my dream layout, simply because customs and shipping would kill it for me. I'd maybe be willing to pay $240 for it, but having over $30 shipping added we are at around $275, seeing that I like the dark grey keycaps even $300 (I could go without the switches though, I would slap in Zealios anyways, but that's not an option). And on top of the around $300 we have customs (yes, for prices this high they even add shipping to the final price), so with customs I could be lucky and "only" have to pay 19% extra ($357 total), or they decide to add another 5% on top of that ($372 or $375 total, depending on the way they calculate that). This is quite a lot for a student that only had 10 days to decide on wether or not it is worth it.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Wed, 27 April 2016, 07:03:57
Keeping in mind that this is a very expensive keyboard I just rather would not go with massdrop, too. I really question the choice fo massdrop here. When "Domestic and international orders will be shipped by the vendor"  I'd rather have direct contact to the seller if he is going to be the one doing the final shipping anyways.

I'm still probably not going to join, even tough this is my dream layout, simply because customs and shipping would kill it for me. I'd maybe be willing to pay $240 for it, but having over $30 shipping added we are at around $275, seeing that I like the dark grey keycaps even $300 (I could go without the switches though, I would slap in Zealios anyways, but that's not an option). And on top of the around $300 we have customs (yes, for prices this high they even add shipping to the final price), so with customs I could be lucky and "only" have to pay 19% extra ($357 total), or they decide to add another 5% on top of that ($372 or $375 total, depending on the way they calculate that). This is quite a lot for a student that only had 10 days to decide on wether or not it is worth it.

Ouch, they really **** you on customs! I didn't realize that it was that bad. Also, yea, I'm surprised that it is only running for 10 days.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: cr0n1c on Wed, 27 April 2016, 21:54:13
It's looking bleak on MD guys. I'm still hoping I can pick this up via another avenue.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Wed, 27 April 2016, 22:06:54
It's looking bleak on MD guys. I'm still hoping I can pick this up via another avenue.

Let's home doodersbrother has a back up plan
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Thu, 28 April 2016, 07:04:55
What now guys? doodersbrother? Sentrant?
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: alexjd99 on Thu, 28 April 2016, 17:06:27
plsplspls run this independently

it will probably be cheaper too. I really hope this does end up running, I bought some zeals from the last gb for this board, and I've been hyped for the layout. 
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Fri, 29 April 2016, 02:15:49
Well, the MD buy is inactive. Isn't that sooner than the deadline, or am I not remembering clearly? Perhaps the numbers were small enough that they just canceled it early...? It's so sad. :(
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Fri, 29 April 2016, 06:02:37
Well, the MD buy is inactive. Isn't that sooner than the deadline, or am I not remembering clearly? Perhaps the numbers were small enough that they just canceled it early...? It's so sad. :(

No, it ended at the appropriate time. But yea, it is sad.

For those unaware, GB is here
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81693
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Fri, 29 April 2016, 11:50:38
(http://i.giphy.com/xT0BKw1YQLqsRgVBMQ.gif)
That's more like it!
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Fri, 29 April 2016, 12:47:22
Show Image
(http://i.giphy.com/xT0BKw1YQLqsRgVBMQ.gif)

That's more like it!

Exactly! Now I just need to decide on which color(s) I want.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: mogo on Fri, 29 April 2016, 16:23:52
I went with silver, I think it's the easiest to match with everything. I was tempted to go Cyan though because I love turquoise/cyan and it'd go great with my 1976. Oh well  :p
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Fri, 29 April 2016, 16:41:05
I went with silver, I think it's the easiest to match with everything. I was tempted to go Cyan though because I love turquoise/cyan and it'd go great with my 1976. Oh well  :p

Cyan would go great with hyperfuse and Jukebix too. I'm still thinking about it, but I'll probably just go with black.
Title: Re: [IC] The TK78, a custom 78 Key 60% + numpad keyboard
Post by: alexjd99 on Fri, 29 April 2016, 17:25:38
Holy hell that's a lot cheaper.

so glad this is happening at a stellar price now :))