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Title: Realforce stabilizers?
Post by: awhitedev on Wed, 29 July 2015, 20:19:00
I currently own a Novatouch... which I've properly silenced and lubed. I've never used a Realforce... but do these suffer from the same squeaky stabilizers and loud clack that the Novatouch has? Or, is it different because the Realforce is well.. a better quality board out of the box. I plan to get the uniform 55g Realforce in case that matters. Would love to hear some opinions from RF owners.
Title: Re: Realforce stabilizers?
Post by: Altis on Wed, 29 July 2015, 20:46:47
The Realforce 87U doesn't use stabilizers except the spacebar.

No squeak, no rattle.

Pure butter.
Title: Re: Realforce stabilizers?
Post by: Bromono on Wed, 29 July 2015, 20:58:02
the stabilizers on the spacebar are pretty tight. I noticed stabilizers that rattle is because they are loose in their fixtures. The realforce doesn't have that issue.
Title: Re: Realforce stabilizers?
Post by: MJ45 on Thu, 30 July 2015, 06:55:48
The Realforce 87U doesn't use stabilizers except the spacebar.

No squeak, no rattle.

Pure butter.
Realforce does have internal stabilizers on the L & R shift, enter and backspace keys. Topre Realforce and HHKB stabilized keys are different than Novatouch they don't rattle, they have the best feeling stabilized keys in IMHO.
Title: Re: Realforce stabilizers?
Post by: strict on Thu, 30 July 2015, 10:11:57
The Realforce 87U doesn't use stabilizers except the spacebar.

No squeak, no rattle.

Pure butter.

I can confirm that the Realforce boards do in fact have stabilizers on everything bigger than 1.5u. They are inside the housing and they do tend to rattle when not lubed. I used some Krytox Extra Thick on the stabs of both of my Realforce boards and they are both dead silent now. I never had any squeaking form either of mine though.
Title: Re: Realforce stabilizers?
Post by: awhitedev on Thu, 30 July 2015, 17:52:16
The Realforce 87U doesn't use stabilizers except the spacebar.

No squeak, no rattle.

Pure butter.

I can confirm that the Realforce boards do in fact have stabilizers on everything bigger than 1.5u. They are inside the housing and they do tend to rattle when not lubed. I used some Krytox Extra Thick on the stabs of both of my Realforce boards and they are both dead silent now. I never had any squeaking form either of mine though.

After depressing a key does it clack pretty loud against the plate? I had to silence my Novatouch using the landing pad mod because that god awful clack was so bad. I really don't want to silence another board.. it's so tedious lol.
Title: Re: Realforce stabilizers?
Post by: Bromono on Thu, 30 July 2015, 19:07:37
The Realforce 87U doesn't use stabilizers except the spacebar.

No squeak, no rattle.

Pure butter.

I can confirm that the Realforce boards do in fact have stabilizers on everything bigger than 1.5u. They are inside the housing and they do tend to rattle when not lubed. I used some Krytox Extra Thick on the stabs of both of my Realforce boards and they are both dead silent now. I never had any squeaking form either of mine though.

After depressing a key does it clack pretty loud against the plate? I had to silence my Novatouch using the landing pad mod because that god awful clack was so bad. I really don't want to silence another board.. it's so tedious lol.

It clacks like every other topre board lol.

You could try to find a silenced version. They tend to be way more expensive since they are hard to find. They come with sliders that are a little longer so the silencing pads don't take any of the tactility away.
Title: Re: Realforce stabilizers?
Post by: Altis on Fri, 31 July 2015, 08:04:29
The Realforce 87U doesn't use stabilizers except the spacebar.

No squeak, no rattle.

Pure butter.

I can confirm that the Realforce boards do in fact have stabilizers on everything bigger than 1.5u. They are inside the housing and they do tend to rattle when not lubed. I used some Krytox Extra Thick on the stabs of both of my Realforce boards and they are both dead silent now. I never had any squeaking form either of mine though.

I stand corrected. I had no idea that the plungers were somehow stabilized underneath the housing.

I'm quite curious how that works since the cap is only connected to the plunger. Stabilizers balance the load on the large keys by effectively pulling down on the opposite site of the cap that you are pushing down.

But in this case, all of the force goes through the center (plunger). There's nothing pulling down the other side, so what's being stabilized?

You can certainly see some flex in the large keys (except space bar) when you push on either side. It teeters a bit.
Title: Re: Realforce stabilizers?
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 31 July 2015, 08:11:21
The Realforce 87U doesn't use stabilizers except the spacebar.

No squeak, no rattle.

Pure butter.

I can confirm that the Realforce boards do in fact have stabilizers on everything bigger than 1.5u. They are inside the housing and they do tend to rattle when not lubed. I used some Krytox Extra Thick on the stabs of both of my Realforce boards and they are both dead silent now. I never had any squeaking form either of mine though.

I stand corrected. I had no idea that the plungers were somehow stabilized underneath the housing.

I'm quite curious how that works since the cap is only connected to the plunger. Stabilizers balance the load on the large keys by effectively pulling down on the opposite site of the cap that you are pushing down.

But in this case, all of the force goes through the center (plunger). There's nothing pulling down the other side, so what's being stabilized?

You can certainly see some flex in the large keys (except space bar) when you push on either side. It teeters a bit.

The stem of the key is being kept upright and its wobble is reduced. Anything 3 units or above require a different method. This is pretty much their 2u stabilizer.