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Title: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ironpup on Sun, 25 October 2015, 18:48:31
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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 25 October 2015, 18:53:03
Stopped reading at K3's original designs, rofl
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Sinanju on Sun, 25 October 2015, 18:54:55
Stopped reading at K3's original designs, rofl

Haven't read his letter entirely yet, but I think he might be referring to the Lobo cap, not the copied Bros/Clacks.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: byker on Sun, 25 October 2015, 18:57:49
After seeing how a lot of the reddit community has treated Bro Caps over the past few months, I applaud his decision.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Michael on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:04:35
Another incredibly self-entitled post, that seems to be the norm.


Notice that you make this all about YOU. This decision isn't about YOU, it's not about anyone else. It's about ME. So please kindly step down from your high horse.
I am not a company that has to provide customers with an expected product amount, or set goals of sales, etc. I am one person, me, myself and I. Occasionally my
mother helps me out when I was trying to provide to a larger audience. I decided to step back from that, as it was taking time away from my family and personal
things. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way, but hey, as I said: FEEL FREE TO BUY FROM OTHER ARTISANS, nobody is forcing you to buy anything from me.


It's pretty ridiculous how you and several others seem to feel I asked you to donate an organ. I asked you to meet a fairly simple post requirement here. If you don't
like my rules, don't participate. What was the purpose or expectation, really, to posting this? I already covered each and every point, that you and others chose to ignore
because it didn't meet your personal expectations of what you think I should do, according to you.


To your points of me copying k3? Just.... lol. Really, there is no other expression that I can think of for that, and that's the last I will speak of that piece of trash.


My actions aren't dividing anything. Again, it's my own personal decision to do this, and I don't owe you or anyone else an explanation. If you want to go and buy
terrible versions of my caps from an untalented thief, feel free to do so.


How much are you over-doing this? I mean, seriously. 100 posts on geekhack = end of the world times?


So you could take the time to post this, expressing your dislike for my own personal decision, that actually doesn't really affect anyone other than self-entitled complainers,
but you couldn't take the time to participate in discussions or the community here? Ridiculous, if you ask me.


Hey - don't buy my products, and spread the word! I am not here as a business, I am still a hobbyist and I love this forum.


Why don't I like r/mk? Go look at the scathing commentary and vileness that exists. On top of it being managed by a narcissistic forum troll, that supports counterfeiters.
Hell, he even stickied a k3 sale post once. Sorry, but I don't want to be a part of that.


So tl;dr, sorry to see you go, but my decision is final.


<3
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:08:10
:thumb:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: tbc on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:08:57
op...are you mentally ill in some way? or is this a reddit meme?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: fknraiden on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:10:26
Well someone just got rustled.
Maybe he does deserve a Jimmy.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nmur on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:12:57
pretty sure Bro has stated in the past that he's not running a business

edit: just read his reply itt, yeah
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: CaplockJack on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:15:12
Shouldn't this be in off-topic?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:15:19
"You, as one of few real leaders in this community, have let us down."

Us?

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:16:29
Shouldn't this be in off-topic?

It is kinda keycap related.  I don't see a problem with it being in the keycaps forum myself.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:17:00
Not that I agree with the letter. just saying it isn't really 'off topic' imo
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Jhonan on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:17:42
Honestly it just seems like a rage post designed to get more people to say "I agree" and draw a gathering to me
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Michael on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:19:30
"You, as one of few real leaders in this community, have let us down."

Us?


I am sorry I let you down, as your community leader


(http://i.imgur.com/lO2ubn2.jpg)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:19:53
(https://desperateandunrehearsed.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/entitled-schmidt.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: mobbo on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:20:46
I'm pretty new here, but I think it's very strange how people feel entitled to things that belong to an individual. It's not some corporate decision you can even rally against. It's one guy's choice to do something a certain way. Sure, it may affect people - but let's be real here. People are putting this false responsibility on Bro like it is his sworn duty to "protect the community" and "keep the balance." I don't see how you can even make this argument. 

It's like the guy on the block with the best Christmas lights decides to stop putting them up one year, and everyone's got their pitchforks demanding he ****ing get out there and put them up. I don't want to pick sides but to me he is quite correct in stating that it is not about you.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Jhonan on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:22:02
"You, as one of few real leaders in this community, have let us down."

Us?


I am sorry I let you down, as your community leader


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/lO2ubn2.jpg)


Great leader!  Don't abandon us in Russian winter... you know how bad they are!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ImDaBaron on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:24:08
op...are you mentally ill in some way? or is this a reddit meme?

Regardless of whether you agree with him or not...is that first part really necessary?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Dongulator on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:24:08
Pretty sure I've been by the Bro Factory before. Bad photoshop aside I think a lot of people understand what Bro is trying to do and stand behind him.
[attachimg=1]

Note to self.. Work on Photoshop skills.  :cool:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: CaplockJack on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:27:12
Shouldn't this be in off-topic?

It is kinda keycap related.  I don't see a problem with it being in the keycaps forum myself.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:43:43
(http://i.imgur.com/S5Znp2a.gif)

But seriously, bro said it all.
It's his decision, and if you don't like it, then don't be a part of it.

Sad to see people feel like this is a personal thing done  to them as individuals.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: neverused on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:49:24
The OP sounds like an entitled, self centered prick.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: raymogi on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:52:09
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/815/lol-guy.jpg)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: inanis on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:52:43
Holy crap, there is a lot of hyperbole in that letter. Bro has no "responsiblity to provide, protect and support" anyone. And if the "community" is really going to be "destroyed" because Bro wants 100 posts at GH, then the "community" you were referring to wasn't much of a community to begin with.

Somehow though, I think we will all survive. I have no issues with Bro's new requirements. Not because I'm over 100 posts, but because he has a talent, and therefore he has the right to determine how he wants to use it. There is nothing at all wrong with that. Instead of railing against something you don't fully appreciate, you should take a moment and think about it from the other person's point of view. When you are open to seeing things from a different perspective it can open a lot of doors.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: keshley on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:54:11
I don't know the full history here, but the hypocrisy bit seems a bit forced to me. Last I checked, everyone is entitled to change their minds on what they want to do, or even what ideals they adhere to.

Hypocrisy is saying one thing, and doing another. If Bro said he'd sell to anyone, but secretely only sold to those with 100 meaningful posts, that would be hypocrisy.

However, Bro announced a change in practice. That's not hypocrisy, its simply a shift in direction.

I also don't get the whole us vs them mentality of reddit and geekhack. I personally don't like reddit (as a website, not any particular subreddit), but I still go there as there's plenty of great information. We're all just people who have the same hobby/passion. If somebody wants to give back to the community, and they're only part of one, there's nothing wrong that. Anybody who wants to put in the effort can come over from reddit, and vice versa.

If I'm giving back to one of the communities, but not the others, it has nothing to do with with other communities. If people perceive that as an attack on these other communities, that's just plain silly.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Belfong on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:54:32

Shouldn't this be in off-topic?

It is kinda keycap related.  I don't see a problem with it being in the keycaps forum myself.
+1 to my post count! Yay me!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:57:55

Shouldn't this be in off-topic?

It is kinda keycap related.  I don't see a problem with it being in the keycaps forum myself.
+1 to my post count! Yay me!

Congrats Belfong!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Jema on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:58:01
Ironpup,
Why don't you just get 55 more posts so you can stop complaining. Is it that hard for you?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:59:41
Real question: how old are you, ironpup?

This read's like something from tabloid press. You are taking facts (post count limit) and erasing all context (bros multiple explanations of why) and spinning your own little version of reality.

I won't dissect your letter but I will leave you a thought; when a person says they no longer want to sell their creations to people they don't know (or like), and your 'rebellious stance' is to no longer buy items from that person in a attempt to change their stance....

(http://media.giphy.com/media/IUjaKjjPPbGaQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: trizkut on Sun, 25 October 2015, 19:59:46
The entire 'letter' is pretty ridiculous.  What's next, a change.org petition asking for bro to change his policy?


(http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1351711742693.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:00:07
At his current post rate it will take a reallllly long time for him to get 55 more posts
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: njbair on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:00:26
tl;dr Bro eats babies.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Michael on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:08:35
tl;dr Bro eats babies.


/thread



(http://i.imgur.com/rbAU6Op.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: bocahgundul on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:09:09
Op you dumb? or retarted? search for bro post why he choose to do that.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:11:35
tl;dr Bro eats babies.


/thread



Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/rbAU6Op.gif)


that GIF LOLOL
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Belfong on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:12:58


Shouldn't this be in off-topic?

It is kinda keycap related.  I don't see a problem with it being in the keycaps forum myself.
+1 to my post count! Yay me!

Congrats Belfong!
(https://m.popkey.co/ef8a73/GyY01_fi-200x200.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:20:04


Shouldn't this be in off-topic?

It is kinda keycap related.  I don't see a problem with it being in the keycaps forum myself.
+1 to my post count! Yay me!

Congrats Belfong!
Show Image
(https://m.popkey.co/ef8a73/GyY01_fi-200x200.gif)


<3
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: beehatch on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:24:04
cry more pls
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 25 October 2015, 20:26:34
More

Shouldn't this be in off-topic?

It is kinda keycap related.  I don't see a problem with it being in the keycaps forum myself.
+1 to my post count! Yay me!

Congrats Belfong!
Show Image
(https://m.popkey.co/ef8a73/GyY01_fi-200x200.gif)


(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/SnowDrop65/pelvic-thrust_zpsef23abc2.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:04:57
"You, as one of few real leaders in this community, have let us down."

Us?


I am sorry I let you down, as your community communist  leader


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/lO2ubn2.jpg)

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ideus on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:07:49
In any case a private communication would have more chances to help, even in this sad case of wrong expectations.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Melvang on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:11:57
Bro, Keep on keepin on.  I fully support what you and bunny are doing.  I wish I could have helped out with the last one that Bunny did, but didn't have the disposable cash at the time.

To the OP, if you know everything, go make you millions and come back and tell us how to do it.  You obviously have everything figured out already.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Kad on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:18:10
Didn't even know so much about the drama surrounding this but I guess some people are pretty upset over it! The exclusivity of artisan caps is part of the fun of owning them, I don't see an issue with his choices. It's his choice to make, and he made it.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Aengus on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:18:41
If this thread has taught me anything, it's that I need to step my GIF game up.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: dwk396 on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:19:15
I just don't understand what the op is trying to achieve by doing this...
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: njbair on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:20:14
I just don't understand what the op is trying to achieve by doing this...

Isn't it obvious? Only 55 more open letters to Bro and he'll have 100 posts.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: dwk396 on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:24:41
I just don't understand what the op is trying to achieve by doing this...

Isn't it obvious? Only 55 more open letters to Bro and he'll have 100 posts.

I think the effort to write the long letter was way more than just writing 100 posts.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: mobbo on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:33:26
As much as everyone disagrees, I don't think it's right to belittle the guy for sharing his opinion. He wrote the letter and it has been responded to. Offering your opinion on the matter is one thing but calling him a retard and making fun of him is just plain rude.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: RenegadeParadox on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:37:26
If this thread has taught me anything, it's that I need to step my GIF game up.
I certainly feel the same way. I am not versed in the complex language of GIFs so like a peasant I can only communicate via words. It appears all the veterans are masters so time to start learning now or be left behind.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ideus on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:40:09
As much as everyone disagrees, I don't think it's right to belittle the guy for sharing his opinion. He wrote the letter and it has been responded to. Offering your opinion on the matter is one thing but calling him a retard and making fun of him is just plain rude.

You are describing how world affairs are, he has the chance to handle the issue privately; but, he decided to make it public, he made a decision and now he has some consequences, that are mostly expected. A public and well established figure, against a newcomer, that decided to charge the first without much warrants in his side. The outcome is pretty much known.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: whmeltonjr on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:56:23
I have a serious question. Not sure if Bro is still checking this thread or not, but do you have a bunch of gifs saved and categorized on your computer? Or do you just google the one you want for each situation?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Michael on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:57:21
do you have a bunch of gifs saved and categorized on your computer?


(http://i.imgur.com/Duroe.jpg)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: whmeltonjr on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:58:34
do you have a bunch of gifs saved and categorized on your computer?


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Duroe.jpg)


(https://donttrysohard.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/denzel-smoking.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 25 October 2015, 21:59:26
do you have a bunch of gifs saved and categorized on your computer?


Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Duroe.jpg)


(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/62/99/7c/62997c78bc4a457933fe4e5592b26cef.jpg)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Sent on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:06:15
I certainly feel the same way. I am not versed in the complex language of GIFs so like a peasant I can only communicate via words. It appears all the veterans are masters so time to start learning now or be left behind.

(http://i.imgur.com/MOjHgoA.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ideus on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:08:57
At least now humor makes this thread a bit more healthy. Or it be a bit less acrid?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: swill on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:10:46
This kind of **** pisses me off. I have to avoid posting in this state cause there is no way I can be constructive.

I hate how people who put their love, time and energy into something that brings other people joy can be so easily criticized and expected to give more. 

This clip pretty much sums it up IMO...

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:16:38
I have to avoid posting in this state cause there is no way I can be constructive.

I haven't figured out how to do this yet.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:28:30
This kind of **** pisses me off. I have to avoid posting in this state cause there is no way I can be constructive.

I hate how people who put their love, time and energy into something that brings other people joy can be so easily criticized and expected to give more. 

This clip pretty much sums it up IMO...


.... Flawless. No need to post anything else man. "PFFF THIS IS BS"
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Melvang on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:30:53
I have to avoid posting in this state cause there is no way I can be constructive.

I haven't figured out how to do this yet.

Probably a combination of two things.

1.  He hasn't hit the age where instead of thinking "I probably shouldn't say that" has changed to "the hell with it, lets see what happens".

2.  He turns up the "filter" between brain and fingers "to 11".
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:31:03
As much as everyone disagrees, I don't think it's right to belittle the guy for sharing his opinion. He wrote the letter and it has been responded to. Offering your opinion on the matter is one thing but calling him a retard and making fun of him is just plain rude.

+1
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: 1swt2gs on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:33:22
Everyones GIF game is so strong...
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: swill on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:36:31
As much as everyone disagrees, I don't think it's right to belittle the guy for sharing his opinion. He wrote the letter and it has been responded to. Offering your opinion on the matter is one thing but calling him a retard and making fun of him is just plain rude.

+1
Condoning this behavior is not constructive though. If he has beef, take it up privately with bro. The only purpose of this type of 'open letter' is to see how big he can make his lynch mob, which is ****ed up at its source...
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: trizkut on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:36:35
As much as everyone disagrees, I don't think it's right to belittle the guy for sharing his opinion. He wrote the letter and it has been responded to. Offering your opinion on the matter is one thing but calling him a retard and making fun of him is just plain rude.

+1


OP asked for attention by posting this "open letter," and they got it.  Posting to here and reddit what is essentially propaganda deserves to be criticized.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:37:54

Everyones GIF game is so strong...


WHERE ARE YOUR GIFS???

(http://i.imgur.com/jmONEs8.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: trizkut on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:38:46

Everyones GIF game is so strong...


WHERE ARE YOUR GIFS???

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jmONEs8.gif)


They make shoes for birds?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Kola93 on Sun, 25 October 2015, 22:55:19
BroCaps has all my support for the great designs and ideas he has come up with over the years, and trust me, it takes a lot of effort and dedication towards one's own craft to come up with even a half decent product, and needless to say, all the BroCaps I've seen have been nothing but stellar.

I understand the feeling of disappointment to find out that it is now more difficult to get one of these artisans, but really, it isn't, and it's very unfair to BroCaps to have to deal with all this.

Hopefully this all blows over sooner or later, and we can once again focus on sharing our love for these sweet, sweet artisans. ^-^
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: whmeltonjr on Sun, 25 October 2015, 23:02:45

Everyones GIF game is so strong...


WHERE ARE YOUR GIFS???

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jmONEs8.gif)


They make shoes for birds?

(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1683/househousehousehouse2.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: 1swt2gs on Sun, 25 October 2015, 23:11:23
I heard something about dirt?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 26 October 2015, 01:51:52
This thread just gave me an idea for an awesome key cap,

we have a rustler...

a warewolf...

what about a..................


More
Dear leader

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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Kola93 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 02:08:51
This thread just gave me an idea for an awesome key cap,

we have a rustler...

a warewolf...

what about a..................


More
Dear leader

[img] (Attachment Link)

No
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 26 October 2015, 02:41:29
This thread just gave me an idea for an awesome key cap,

we have a rustler...

a warewolf...

what about a..................


More
Dear leader

[img] (Attachment Link)



GTFO  :'(

No
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 October 2015, 02:50:22
"   I, a relatively established member of this community "

pls leave your reddit ****posting on reddit mr. 45 posts
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: fknraiden on Mon, 26 October 2015, 02:53:42
"   I, a relatively established member of this community "

pls leave your reddit ****posting on reddit mr. 45 posts

...
rude much?

edit: I dont really consider myself established. nobody knows me.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 October 2015, 02:54:37
"   I, a relatively established member of this community "

pls leave your reddit ****posting on reddit mr. 45 posts

...
rude much?

probably

(http://i.imgur.com/nmwnmJf.jpg)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: clacktalk on Mon, 26 October 2015, 02:57:30
pls bump the required post count to 666
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 October 2015, 02:58:20
"   I, a relatively established member of this community "

pls leave your reddit ****posting on reddit mr. 45 posts

...
rude much?

edit: I dont really consider myself established. nobody knows me.

i know your name ive seen you around

i dont keep track of r/mk members who join just to buy keycaps
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: meevilsheep on Mon, 26 October 2015, 03:13:56
I wonder why every user that is not affected by this rule now comes out and says that "Way to go, Bro. Your product, your rules". But in the end, for them nothing has changed.

I joined geekhack when the "Rustler" sale was going and needed an account here to be able to enter. The fact that i didn`t win doesn`t mean stopped coming back here. But now, with this change, i feel left out, just for being the new guy around here. And you can't say i'm not supporting the maker when 35$ is about 10% of my monthly paycheck. For a keycap.. I wanted that keycap and show my appreaciation of his work.

In the end, i wonder how much this change means to Bro, because until now, with the raffle system, he could manage the amount of time put in this hobby by limiting the amount of caps made each round, or wait a bit longer when it comes to shipping the caps. It's not like we knew how many winners are each time. When the caps are made to order, there is a long waiting period until the shipment is done.

Just my 2 cents on the whole thing..

P.S It's funny to see how people react to someone posting an opinion that they don't agree with. Mentally ill... prick... that's how you help this community grow and welcome new users /s
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Kola93 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 03:24:42
pls bump the required post count to 666

Pls sir... ^-^
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 26 October 2015, 04:19:02
tl;dr Bro eats babies.

LOL...I just spit Dr. Pepper all over my desk!  :))

OP is off his meds.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: DanielT on Mon, 26 October 2015, 04:31:08
I wonder why every user that is not affected by this rule now comes out and says that "Way to go, Bro. Your product, your rules". But in the end, for them nothing has changed.

I joined geekhack when the "Rustler" sale was going and needed an account here to be able to enter. The fact that i didn`t win doesn`t mean stopped coming back here. But now, with this change, i feel left out, just for being the new guy around here. And you can't say i'm not supporting the maker when 35$ is about 10% of my monthly paycheck. For a keycap.. I wanted that keycap and show my appreaciation of his work.

In the end, i wonder how much this change means to Bro, because until now, with the raffle system, he could manage the amount of time put in this hobby by limiting the amount of caps made each round, or wait a bit longer when it comes to shipping the caps. It's not like we knew how many winners are each time. When the caps are made to order, there is a long waiting period until the shipment is done.

Just my 2 cents on the whole thing..

P.S It's funny to see how people react to someone posting an opinion that they don't agree with. Mentally ill... prick... that's how you help this community grow and welcome new users /s
My advice is: don't feel left out. This is a great community, with a lot of nice people. Take your time and follow the discussions here, projects, GB's, Off Topic and you will find many friends here, and that 100 posts count will be over in no time. You have to look at Bro's decision more like and encouragement to get involved more in this community and not a limitation.
You will be amazed how wonderful this community is, one day you can receive a PM where a guy just asks you for your address because he wants to send you a gift, it happened to me and to many others here, just take you time and read the topics and you will see that.
Don't know where you've been active before but my advice is to enjoy the GH experience, with the good and bad parts and ignore what you might have heard in other places. I'm originally a Deskthority user and Club Member but that doesn't mean I like one more than the other.
And for Artisan Caps, my advice is just to cool down, sometimes it takes a long time to get one, don't think oh everyone is getting some and I'm left out, just enjoy the ride and in the end you will have your share  :thumb:
P.S: even if I have Germany as location .. nu inseamna ca sunt German ;) So feel free to PM me any time if you feel like talking. Over on DT we have even our little RO Club http://deskthority.net/other-languages-f12/romanian-corner-t9394.html  :thumb:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 26 October 2015, 04:38:50
If OP (who hasn't posted since starting this thread btw) put as much effort into posting as into writing that letter, he'd be well on the way to 100 posts.

It's not even that difficult to post - some of us get told off on a fairly regular basis for posting too much - we know who we are :))

If you want something that much, you'll find a way to get it.  Or you'll find an excuse.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: baldgye on Mon, 26 October 2015, 04:53:55
Woah guys, it's so mean and unfair of you bullies to berate some kid just because he shared his small minded entitled opinion.
I really don't like the attitude of this forum and how elitist everyone has become, the rediclous requirement for 100 posts of genuine content is insane. On top of that just as he annouces this massively unfair rule change he then mocks us with contests and prizes only the most elite members of Geekhacks 'old boys club' can even enter.

This poor guy is just so desperate to fill the empty void inside him with things that he has no emotional bond or connection with that he is forced to bear his heart, and for what? To be berated and mocked.

Well sirs, good day to you.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 October 2015, 04:55:29
If OP (who hasn't posted since starting this thread btw) put as much effort into posting as into writing that letter, he'd be well on the way to 100 posts.

It's not even that difficult to post - some of us get told off on a fairly regular basis for posting too much - we know who we are :))

If you want something that much, you'll find a way to get it.  Or you'll find an excuse.

20000 by 2016!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: bubbedi on Mon, 26 October 2015, 05:02:42
This kind of **** pisses me off. I have to avoid posting in this state cause there is no way I can be constructive.

I hate how people who put their love, time and energy into something that brings other people joy can be so easily criticized and expected to give more. 

This clip pretty much sums it up IMO...


.... Flawless. No need to post anything else man. "PFFF THIS IS BS"

This is such a lovely video. And yes, I think it is highly likely that the audience described by Louis contains OP.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 26 October 2015, 05:08:19
If OP (who hasn't posted since starting this thread btw) put as much effort into posting as into writing that letter, he'd be well on the way to 100 posts.

It's not even that difficult to post - some of us get told off on a fairly regular basis for posting too much - we know who we are :))

If you want something that much, you'll find a way to get it.  Or you'll find an excuse.

20000 by 2016!

That's about 61 days, I might just make it!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 26 October 2015, 05:23:29

Woah guys, it's so mean and unfair of you bullies to berate some kid just because he shared his small minded entitled opinion.
I really don't like the attitude of this forum and how elitist everyone has become, the rediclous requirement for 100 posts of genuine content is insane. On top of that just as he annouces this massively unfair rule change he then mocks us with contests and prizes only the most elite members of Geekhacks 'old boys club' can even enter.

This poor guy is just so desperate to fill the empty void inside him with things that he has no emotional bond or connection with that he is forced to bear his heart, and for what? To be berated and mocked.

Well sirs, good day to you.
Yeah! I hope those elitist don't enter the giveaway or that pumpkin carving contest. Those threads might just add one puny post count but the effort required is just too much! It's really hard to post these days!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 26 October 2015, 06:07:51
gifposting =/= ****posting

Bro loves gifs

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: keshley on Mon, 26 October 2015, 06:19:19
I wonder why every user that is not affected by this rule now comes out and says that "Way to go, Bro. Your product, your rules". But in the end, for them nothing has changed.

I joined geekhack when the "Rustler" sale was going and needed an account here to be able to enter. The fact that i didn`t win doesn`t mean stopped coming back here. But now, with this change, i feel left out, just for being the new guy around here. And you can't say i'm not supporting the maker when 35$ is about 10% of my monthly paycheck. For a keycap.. I wanted that keycap and show my appreaciation of his work.

In the end, i wonder how much this change means to Bro, because until now, with the raffle system, he could manage the amount of time put in this hobby by limiting the amount of caps made each round, or wait a bit longer when it comes to shipping the caps. It's not like we knew how many winners are each time. When the caps are made to order, there is a long waiting period until the shipment is done.

Just my 2 cents on the whole thing..

P.S It's funny to see how people react to someone posting an opinion that they don't agree with. Mentally ill... prick... that's how you help this community grow and welcome new users /s

I understand what you're saying, but a 'membership requirement' so to speak, isn't uncommon. Look at how hard it is to buy a Korean custom. For a lot of them, they don't even want to sell to non-Koreans. Some of us (as in, the keyboard enthusiast community) may ***** about it, but it is what is. That doesn't mean you can't get one, just means it takes more patience.

That said, its not all that different from, say, saving up for an M3 when all you can afford right now is a 3 series. A little more time and effort is required, but its attainable.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: hudson0804 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 06:55:16
Please forgive my ignorance. 

I don't really know the whole story - mostly to me being a nobody in this keyboard world of somebodies.

But I do know enough that I hope to one day be able to purchase a few of Bro Caps pieces of art (I say art because he has what it takes to do what he does, I do not). 

I was initially worried to read (again form what i garnished form this thread and letter) that Bro Caps were going to become super exclusive and only intended for the more elite members of the wider community - believe that my view on this is wrong, i certainly hope so. 

I don't really have an opinion that carries much merit and probably a lot of what i know is likely not fact, but the @OP i think your letter says a great deal about your passion, but don't be upset when other people don't have the same opinion as you.   @BroCaps, I have only really started to learn about the work you have done for this community and I could see that as a great responsibility that others may take for granted, please don't stop doing what you do as I'd really love to see some new caps and perhaps own some of them.

Thanks
H
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 07:11:14
Please forgive my ignorance. 

I don't really know the whole story - mostly to me being a nobody in this keyboard world of somebodies.

But I do know enough that I hope to one day be able to purchase a few of Bro Caps pieces of art (I say art because he has what it takes to do what he does, I do not). 

I was initially worried to read (again form what i garnished form this thread and letter) that Bro Caps were going to become super exclusive and only intended for the more elite members of the wider community - believe that my view on this is wrong, i certainly hope so. 

I don't really have an opinion that carries much merit and probably a lot of what i know is likely not fact, but the @OP i think your letter says a great deal about your passion, but don't be upset when other people don't have the same opinion as you.   @BroCaps, I have only really started to learn about the work you have done for this community and I could see that as a great responsibility that others may take for granted, please don't stop doing what you do as I'd really love to see some new caps and perhaps own some of them.

Thanks
H

OP was suggesting that the restriction of 100 posts on GH means that only the elite of the elite keyboard society will be able to obtain the ever exclusive bros.

I knew some people on other forums that had 100 posts PER DAY. I was running about 35 posts per day keeping some help threads running and general talking.

There are so many opportunities to comment on GH.

Go look at pictures and talk about the process the photographer took. Go look at custom builds and have a good discussion about design choices. Go write a review and have a discussion about your review (or go discuss someone else's).

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 October 2015, 07:15:21
yeah if >100 posts means elite then we have a **** definition of elite, considering that means even i am elite :-X
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 October 2015, 07:23:12
yeah if >100 posts means elite then we have a **** definition of elite, considering that means even i am elite :-X
You are an elite blogger :eek:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Bevo on Mon, 26 October 2015, 07:34:55
Elite of the elite.

(http://i0.wp.com/www.irkitated.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/keyboard-warrior.jpg?resize=600%2C357)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 07:42:32
Elite of the elite.

Show Image
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Not a pok3r

Scrub

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 26 October 2015, 07:53:30
(http://i.lvme.me/v7g6u9t.jpg)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 October 2015, 07:55:44
Elite of the elite.

Show Image
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Not a pok3r

Scrub



not a hhkb

scrub
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: hudson0804 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 07:58:23
Please forgive my ignorance. 

I don't really know the whole story - mostly to me being a nobody in this keyboard world of somebodies.

But I do know enough that I hope to one day be able to purchase a few of Bro Caps pieces of art (I say art because he has what it takes to do what he does, I do not). 

I was initially worried to read (again form what i garnished form this thread and letter) that Bro Caps were going to become super exclusive and only intended for the more elite members of the wider community - believe that my view on this is wrong, i certainly hope so. 

I don't really have an opinion that carries much merit and probably a lot of what i know is likely not fact, but the @OP i think your letter says a great deal about your passion, but don't be upset when other people don't have the same opinion as you.   @BroCaps, I have only really started to learn about the work you have done for this community and I could see that as a great responsibility that others may take for granted, please don't stop doing what you do as I'd really love to see some new caps and perhaps own some of them.

Thanks
H

OP was suggesting that the restriction of 100 posts on GH means that only the elite of the elite keyboard society will be able to obtain the ever exclusive bros.

I knew some people on other forums that had 100 posts PER DAY. I was running about 35 posts per day keeping some help threads running and general talking.

There are so many opportunities to comment on GH.

Go look at pictures and talk about the process the photographer took. Go look at custom builds and have a good discussion about design choices. Go write a review and have a discussion about your review (or go discuss someone else's).

Thanks for setting me straight there.

Yeah 100 posts on GH isn't really a hard target, I'm over halfway there and mostly talk utter rubbish and completely clueless when it comes to this hobby we all share. 

My only concern from the OP's letter was that I Bro Cap was withdrawing completely or selectively providing his services to those he deemed worthy.

Now that's settled I'm off to look at some more HHKB pictures and leave them discreetly lying around so the girlfriend picks up on the notion that i would like one.  :D

H

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:09:24
Elite of the elite.

Show Image
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Not a pok3r

Scrub



not a hhkb

scrub

not a scrub

pok3r
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:12:40
Please forgive my ignorance. 

I don't really know the whole story - mostly to me being a nobody in this keyboard world of somebodies.

But I do know enough that I hope to one day be able to purchase a few of Bro Caps pieces of art (I say art because he has what it takes to do what he does, I do not). 

I was initially worried to read (again form what i garnished form this thread and letter) that Bro Caps were going to become super exclusive and only intended for the more elite members of the wider community - believe that my view on this is wrong, i certainly hope so. 

I don't really have an opinion that carries much merit and probably a lot of what i know is likely not fact, but the @OP i think your letter says a great deal about your passion, but don't be upset when other people don't have the same opinion as you.   @BroCaps, I have only really started to learn about the work you have done for this community and I could see that as a great responsibility that others may take for granted, please don't stop doing what you do as I'd really love to see some new caps and perhaps own some of them.

Thanks
H

OP was suggesting that the restriction of 100 posts on GH means that only the elite of the elite keyboard society will be able to obtain the ever exclusive bros.

I knew some people on other forums that had 100 posts PER DAY. I was running about 35 posts per day keeping some help threads running and general talking.

There are so many opportunities to comment on GH.

Go look at pictures and talk about the process the photographer took. Go look at custom builds and have a good discussion about design choices. Go write a review and have a discussion about your review (or go discuss someone else's).

Thanks for setting me straight there.

Yeah 100 posts on GH isn't really a hard target, I'm over halfway there and mostly talk utter rubbish and completely clueless when it comes to this hobby we all share. 

My only concern from the OP's letter was that I Bro Cap was withdrawing completely or selectively providing his services to those he deemed worthy.

Now that's settled I'm off to look at some more HHKB pictures and leave them discreetly lying around so the girlfriend picks up on the notion that i would like one.  :D

H
If you want to know what bro caps said it's best to read what he wrote.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.msg1905738.msg#1905738
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:20:30
IMO promoting the community and discussions within it is a much more important value to a community leader.

If he made keys for everyone regardless of value to the community then he'd be more of a communist leader.

Vote for Communism, Vote for BroCaps 2020 Election
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: hudson0804 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:21:02
Please forgive my ignorance. 

I don't really know the whole story - mostly to me being a nobody in this keyboard world of somebodies.

But I do know enough that I hope to one day be able to purchase a few of Bro Caps pieces of art (I say art because he has what it takes to do what he does, I do not). 

I was initially worried to read (again form what i garnished form this thread and letter) that Bro Caps were going to become super exclusive and only intended for the more elite members of the wider community - believe that my view on this is wrong, i certainly hope so. 

I don't really have an opinion that carries much merit and probably a lot of what i know is likely not fact, but the @OP i think your letter says a great deal about your passion, but don't be upset when other people don't have the same opinion as you.   @BroCaps, I have only really started to learn about the work you have done for this community and I could see that as a great responsibility that others may take for granted, please don't stop doing what you do as I'd really love to see some new caps and perhaps own some of them.

Thanks
H

OP was suggesting that the restriction of 100 posts on GH means that only the elite of the elite keyboard society will be able to obtain the ever exclusive bros.

I knew some people on other forums that had 100 posts PER DAY. I was running about 35 posts per day keeping some help threads running and general talking.

There are so many opportunities to comment on GH.

Go look at pictures and talk about the process the photographer took. Go look at custom builds and have a good discussion about design choices. Go write a review and have a discussion about your review (or go discuss someone else's).

Thanks for setting me straight there.

Yeah 100 posts on GH isn't really a hard target, I'm over halfway there and mostly talk utter rubbish and completely clueless when it comes to this hobby we all share. 

My only concern from the OP's letter was that I Bro Cap was withdrawing completely or selectively providing his services to those he deemed worthy.

Now that's settled I'm off to look at some more HHKB pictures and leave them discreetly lying around so the girlfriend picks up on the notion that i would like one.  :D

H
If you want to know what bro caps said it's best to read what he wrote.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.msg1905738.msg#1905738

Thank you.

Also, I now want a lycan keycap.. :S

H
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ideus on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:22:01
I found this at the top of my new replies list this morning, I had mixed feelings reading the recent replies, a few empathized with the guy, most others reinforce their hate. Something is clear, some fellows here are elitist in the sense they do not have any shame to show their hard feeling against someone that does not share the same opinion, that is by definition discrimination, lack of tolerance and disrespect. America is made of the opposite, it is a great mixture of cultures and talents. This hidden corner of the world is not the same with this lack of openness, and excessive zeal for the wrong reasons. The guy made a mistake and he did it in the wrongest way possible, so what, let's be it, forgive him and move on.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: DanielT on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:23:05
Elite of the elite.

Show Image
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Not a pok3r

Scrub



not a hhkb

scrub

not a scrub

pok3r
Not a 45689900c "master of almost half of a budget of a small country - LUBED and Flipped "
Scrub
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:43:49
I found this at the top of my new replies list this morning, I had mixed feelings reading the recent replies, a few empathized with the guy, most others reinforce their hate. Something is clear, some fellows here are elitist in the sense they do not have any shame to show their hard feeling against someone that does not share the same opinion, that is by definition discrimination, lack of tolerance and disrespect. America is made of the opposite, it is a great mixture of cultures and talents. This hidden corner of the world is not the same with this lack of openness, and excessive zeal for the wrong reasons. The guy did a mistake and he did it in the wrongest way possible, so what, let's be it, forgive him and move on.

I know you're not directing your comment only to me but I am in that group that you're talking about.
This is more of a statement example.

Like others have mentioned the letter was just emotionally driven and had gross overexaggerations. It also mentioned "us" as if he's speaking on behalf of the rest of the community.

There was poor logic in his argument.

If he had thought it out and made a more logical argument without the aim to hurt Bro's reputation it would probably have been taken better by the community.

"This is an open letter regarding the change in the rules requiring entrants in future bro sales to have 100 posts on GH.

I think that this is unfair for the following reasons:

1) There are other communities of equal value to the hobby. Saying that the discussions had on /r/MK are of less value than those of GH for the hobby is insulting. A big portion of the posts are done in Off-topic on GH where members can farm post count anyway while a lot of thediscussion on /r/MK is directly related to keyboards.

2) The required post count is arbitrary as there's no guarantee the posts will generate relevant content. As I mentioned earlier, the posts can be done in unrelated sections of GH.

For these reasons I think that Bro is not making a valuable change in the community through his new rules and they should be changed to either accept similar contributions in other communities relating to this hobby or abolosihed altogether."

See how different that could have been written?

I don't even think that OP mentioned the change in the rule and just went on to say that Bro let down everyone and is just pandering to elites.

Yea, okay.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: baldgye on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:44:15
I found this at the top of my new replies list this morning, I had mixed feelings reading the recent replies, a few empathized with the guy, most others reinforce their hate. Something is clear, some fellows here are elitist in the sense they do not have any shame to show their hard feeling against someone that does not share the same opinion, that is by definition discrimination, lack of tolerance and disrespect. America is made of the opposite, it is a great mixture of cultures and talents. This hidden corner of the world is not the same with this lack of openness, and excessive zeal for the wrong reasons. The guy made a mistake and he did it in the wrongest way possible, so what, let's be it, forgive him and move on.

legit made me burst out laughing
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:47:41
1) There are other communities of equal value to the hobby. Saying that the discussions had on /r/MK are of less value than those of GH for the hobby is insulting. A big portion of the posts are done in Off-topic on GH where members can farm post count anyway while a lot of thediscussion on /r/MK is directly related to keyboards.

I know the point you were trying to make, and your example letter would have been far better received. But in reality, posts in "Off Topic" do not add to your displayed post count.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ideus on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:50:00
I found this at the top of my new replies list this morning, I had mixed feelings reading the recent replies, a few empathized with the guy, most others reinforce their hate. Something is clear, some fellows here are elitist in the sense they do not have any shame to show their hard feeling against someone that does not share the same opinion, that is by definition discrimination, lack of tolerance and disrespect. America is made of the opposite, it is a great mixture of cultures and talents. This hidden corner of the world is not the same with this lack of openness, and excessive zeal for the wrong reasons. The guy made a mistake and he did it in the wrongest way possible, so what, let's be it, forgive him and move on.

legit made me burst out laughing

Really?   :))
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: CaplockJack on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:53:27
TL;DR
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:53:37
Elite of the elite.

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not a hhkb

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not a scrub

pok3r
Not a 45689900c "master of almost half of a budget of a small country - LUBED and Flipped "
Scrub

Bish I'm typing on a GoN

Off centered spacebar master race
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: sth on Mon, 26 October 2015, 08:54:48
If OP (who hasn't posted since starting this thread btw) put as much effort into posting as into writing that letter, he'd be well on the way to 100 posts.

It's not even that difficult to post - some of us get told off on a fairly regular basis for posting too much - we know who we are :))

If you want something that much, you'll find a way to get it.  Or you'll find an excuse.

Elite of the elite.

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pok3r

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bye felicia
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: mobbo on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:00:10
I understand that by making this an open letter he opens himself up to criticism, but there's a not so fine line between criticizing an opinion and disgracing it. Given the context and after reading Bros post I agree with most of you and I respect and support his decision. What I also see however, is a group of influential/active members who are pushing a newer member away because he provided reasoning that you don't agree with. That's not the community that I saw before I joined and led me to want to be a part of it. I know I'm probably being over-sensitive here but some of the language in this thread really rubbed me the wrong way.

 He's probably buried his head in the sand forever now though, so congratulations?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:00:38
1) There are other communities of equal value to the hobby. Saying that the discussions had on /r/MK are of less value than those of GH for the hobby is insulting. A big portion of the posts are done in Off-topic on GH where members can farm post count anyway while a lot of thediscussion on /r/MK is directly related to keyboards.

I know the point you were trying to make, and your example letter would have been far better received. But in reality, posts in "Off Topic" do not add to your displayed post count.

My bad

Still similar. Just change that part to "I can make spammy comments like 'nice review!' to boost my post count"

I don't know what posts are exempt from the post count. I just discuss across different sections and my post count goes up.

Anyway the change doesn't have the same impact but whatever, just an example of what could have been said vs what was actually said.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:18:54
I find it funny to see one liner from CapsLockJack in the right threads. Somebody's working hard - but for the wrong intent and purpose :D
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:20:22
All the alt accounts coming out to boost their post count.  :))
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: inanis on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:24:14
I find it funny to see one liner from CapsLockJack in the right threads. Somebody's working hard - but for the wrong intent and purpose :D

In fairness to him, seems all his posts, even those far predating this latest hoopla, have been on the short side. However, in general, I'm sure this up-the-post-count style of posting will be a bit of the new world order for a little bit. It will slow down once most people have got the number.  As someone who doesn't post a lot, I can understand why to some people 100 posts seems daunting. It isn't so bad once you get going, but it can be intimidating to jump in.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:32:05
I find it funny to see one liner from CapsLockJack in the right threads. Somebody's working hard - but for the wrong intent and purpose :D

In fairness to him, seems all his posts, even those far predating this latest hoopla, have been on the short side. However, in general, I'm sure this up-the-post-count style of posting will be a bit of the new world order for a little bit. It will slow down once most people have got the number.  As someone who doesn't post a lot, I can understand why to some people 100 posts seems daunting. It isn't so bad once you get going, but it can be intimidating to jump in.

Someone could probably post 100 meaningful posts in a day, if they were motivated to try. But 10/day is easily achievable. That would only take 10 days to reach 100 posts. The spirit of the requirement is that the member become familiar with, and to, the community before jumping into these transactions.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:34:18
FWIW I like both communities. I've been on GH for a bit longer than I have r/mk (I think?), and both seem to be pretty solid places in my opinion.

A few bad eggs always spoil the omelette for someone, but I don't think the whole of r/mk should be viewed as a largely negative thing.

Bro can sell his caps however and to whomever he wants. I still don't have one, and I'm not crying and gnashing my teeth at the fact that he's changed his rules around. Businesses, and more importantly people, evolve and adapt, and that's exactly what Bro's doing.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ideus on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:38:53
I find it funny to see one liner from CapsLockJack in the right threads. Somebody's working hard - but for the wrong intent and purpose :D

In fairness to him, seems all his posts, even those far predating this latest hoopla, have been on the short side. However, in general, I'm sure this up-the-post-count style of posting will be a bit of the new world order for a little bit. It will slow down once most people have got the number.  As someone who doesn't post a lot, I can understand why to some people 100 posts seems daunting. It isn't so bad once you get going, but it can be intimidating to jump in.

Someone could probably post 100 meaningful posts in a day, if they were motivated to try. But 10/day is easily achievable. That would only take 10 days to reach 100 posts. The spirit of the requirement is that the member become familiar with, and to, the community before jumping into these transactions.

To make meaningful posts is a good intention; but, the relationship with it and transactions of any sort is not clear.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: inanis on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:42:27
I find it funny to see one liner from CapsLockJack in the right threads. Somebody's working hard - but for the wrong intent and purpose :D

In fairness to him, seems all his posts, even those far predating this latest hoopla, have been on the short side. However, in general, I'm sure this up-the-post-count style of posting will be a bit of the new world order for a little bit. It will slow down once most people have got the number.  As someone who doesn't post a lot, I can understand why to some people 100 posts seems daunting. It isn't so bad once you get going, but it can be intimidating to jump in.

Someone could probably post 100 meaningful posts in a day, if they were motivated to try. But 10/day is easily achievable. That would only take 10 days to reach 100 posts. The spirit of the requirement is that the member become familiar with, and to, the community before jumping into these transactions.

You could, I'm sure, but I know I could not! I don't have enough social bandwidth, not to mention, in depth knowledge, to come up with 100 meaningful posts. Hell, I don't even have enough social bandwidth to come up with 100 useless posts! 10 a day can kick my ass. :) For some people coming out of their shell can be very, very hard. On the plus side, once that shell is cracked open things do become easier. I said in a previous post that ironpup should take a step back and look at this from Bro's perspective, because if he can do that, he will see that reasons Bro gave make total sense. However, we should not assume that getting up to 100 posts is easy for someone. I know for me it was NOT. Some people just struggle with it. I know it makes no sense, and I wish I wasn't that way, but it is something that is very much my reality.

FWIW, I credit all of you - people both with a high and low post count here on GH for helping make a change for the better in my ability to socialize. Making the decision to join and and participate here turned out to be a very positive thing for me. I hope that others have the same positive outcome.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: neverused on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:46:33


I wonder why every user that is not affected by this rule now comes out and says that "Way to go, Bro. Your product, your rules". But in the end, for them nothing has changed.

I joined geekhack when the "Rustler" sale was going and needed an account here to be able to enter. The fact that i didn`t win doesn`t mean stopped coming back here. But now, with this change, i feel left out, just for being the new guy around here. And you can't say i'm not supporting the maker when 35$ is about 10% of my monthly paycheck. For a keycap.. I wanted that keycap and show my appreaciation of his work.

In the end, i wonder how much this change means to Bro, because until now, with the raffle system, he could manage the amount of time put in this hobby by limiting the amount of caps made each round, or wait a bit longer when it comes to shipping the caps. It's not like we knew how many winners are each time. When the caps are made to order, there is a long waiting period until the shipment is done.

Just my 2 cents on the whole thing..

P.S It's funny to see how people react to someone posting an opinion that they don't agree with. Mentally ill... prick... that's how you help this community grow and welcome new users /s

I stand by my evaluation. People that act entitled, rude, and childish are not desired in this community, so if my comment offends anyone, they can (1) get over it or (2) go away. The community does not need to expand to include the entitled and bratty users of other communities, they can wait until they grow up enough and mature.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:46:43
Making the decision to join and and participate here turned out to be a very positive thing for me. I hope that others have the same positive outcome.

That's exactly the goal. We want people to have a positive experience when they come to GH, not just post a few messages to get into an artisan cap sale. Hopefully, the post count requirement will encourage people to actually participate in the forum, and not just buy a bunch of "stuff" to try and seem cool or fit in.

IMO, Making Stuff Together is the best place to farm post count. There are literally hundreds of interesting projects there, of which people could join in on the discussion.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:56:55
The idea that it's scary to post to a forum is weird to me.  The anonymous internet is literally the least scary place you could post something since no one knows you and they only have as much impact on your life as you let them.  Every community I've been a part of has also been completely accepting of newcomers as long as they come in wanting to learn instead of coming in like they know everything or are entitled.

As for the post count, I just looked at my history.  It took less than a month to hit 100 posts, about half that if you want to count offs topic posts too.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 26 October 2015, 10:14:04
For all the people crying about changes to bro caps rules

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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 10:15:32
The idea that it's scary to post to a forum is weird to me.  The anonymous internet is literally the least scary place you could post something since no one knows you and they only have as much impact on your life as you let them.  Every community I've been a part of has also been completely accepting of newcomers as long as they come in wanting to learn instead of coming in like they know everything or are entitled.

As for the post count, I just looked at my history.  It took less than a month to hit 100 posts, about half that if you want to count offs topic posts too.

Some communities can suck

I like it here where there are lots of mixes of opinion and views.

Other places are very much "hive mind or gtfo"
(Maybe not so strict or clear but still happens)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Bevo on Mon, 26 October 2015, 10:20:45
The idea that it's scary to post to a forum is weird to me.  The anonymous internet is literally the least scary place you could post something since no one knows you and they only have as much impact on your life as you let them.  Every community I've been a part of has also been completely accepting of newcomers as long as they come in wanting to learn instead of coming in like they know everything or are entitled.

As for the post count, I just looked at my history.  It took less than a month to hit 100 posts, about half that if you want to count offs topic posts too.

Unless you start posting photos of yourself in the Face of GH thread :P
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2015, 11:15:18
I wonder why every user that is not affected by this rule now comes out and says that "Way to go, Bro. Your product, your rules". But in the end, for them nothing has changed.

I joined geekhack when the "Rustler" sale was going and needed an account here to be able to enter. The fact that i didn`t win doesn`t mean stopped coming back here. But now, with this change, i feel left out, just for being the new guy around here. And you can't say i'm not supporting the maker when 35$ is about 10% of my monthly paycheck. For a keycap.. I wanted that keycap and show my appreaciation of his work.

In the end, i wonder how much this change means to Bro, because until now, with the raffle system, he could manage the amount of time put in this hobby by limiting the amount of caps made each round, or wait a bit longer when it comes to shipping the caps. It's not like we knew how many winners are each time. When the caps are made to order, there is a long waiting period until the shipment is done.

Just my 2 cents on the whole thing..

P.S It's funny to see how people react to someone posting an opinion that they don't agree with. Mentally ill... prick... that's how you help this community grow and welcome new users /s

I agree, and said it previously, the part that I hate here is not any particular change in rules but the way people treat others. My opinions differ on heaps of things around here, and in general. Sometimes that difference is so big it's hard to be in the same room with that person, but I still treat them as kindly as I would any other person. Call it "just how the internet" works or whatever in this case, but I still think putting others down like I've seen here is just wrong.

Secondly, on terms of actually winning a cap, it may never happen. I've been around a while and never won a cap from a sale, so don't feel left out by any means! That goes for all sales, it is just hard to get into some sales, which really makes the sales you do (or inevitably will) wil even more special!


Finally, I do think the point about the original announcement being a bit short was quite valid. I'm not saying there was any malice at all on Bro's part here, but when you make a rather big announcement (yes, I know, 100 posts really isn't any huge deal) I think that doing it a little more tactfully really could have prevented a lot of the frustration/anger/etc we say the other day, regardless of if it was deserved or not (anger, all undeserved imo). When a very short announcement is just posted to GH without any substantial info on "why" the changes are being made, of course Reddit in this case would explode. The situation was only made worse by deleting the account/making Bro caps private. I think a lot of this could have easily been avoided had a well written explanation been posted to reddit on the rule changes as well, directly engaging the people at reddit that would inevitably feel left out would have been a good move i think. At least for me, anytime Im updating a keycap set or project I'm working on, or doing a community interview with someone, etc, the first thing I usually do is post to the 3 big forums just to avoid any appearance that I'm leaving anyone out, even though that would never be my intention.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Michael on Mon, 26 October 2015, 11:26:49
I think a lot of this could have easily been avoided had a well written explanation been posted to reddit on the rule changes as well, directly engaging the people at reddit that would inevitably feel left out would have been a good move i think.


In case you missed it, I exactly did that, and was downvoted for it. You should definitely make it a point to read through things in their entirety before making a judgement.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: DanielT on Mon, 26 October 2015, 11:30:41
Funny fact : 3 pages and not a single DT user complained :)) We are gentleman ;)
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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 11:34:28
I think a lot of this could have easily been avoided had a well written explanation been posted to reddit on the rule changes as well, directly engaging the people at reddit that would inevitably feel left out would have been a good move i think.


In case you missed it, I exactly did that, and was downvoted for it. You should definitely make it a point to read through things in their entirety before making a judgement.

Considering the reddit system it's hard to see posts that receive negative attention from the hivemind.
Unless of course someone from the hivemind makes a post to ridicule you. Then it reaches top of the sub.


I hate to say it (mostly because I post in /r/MK a lot too) but the community there can be kind of ****ty sometimes.

I enjoy talking to a lot of the people there but damn the entitlement is high for some.

I posted about how I was using my Alpha dogs as portables to /r/headphones and got **** for it since they're considered god tier by that community and I'm flaunting my money or whatever garbage they said.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2015, 11:54:44
I think a lot of this could have easily been avoided had a well written explanation been posted to reddit on the rule changes as well, directly engaging the people at reddit that would inevitably feel left out would have been a good move i think.


In case you missed it, I exactly did that, and was downvoted for it. You should definitely make it a point to read through things in their entirety before making a judgement.

Considering the reddit system it's hard to see posts that receive negative attention from the hivemind.
Unless of course someone from the hivemind makes a post to ridicule you. Then it reaches top of the sub.


I hate to say it (mostly because I post in /r/MK a lot too) but the community there can be kind of ****ty sometimes.

I enjoy talking to a lot of the people there but damn the entitlement is high for some.

I posted about how I was using my Alpha dogs as portables to /r/headphones and got **** for it since they're considered god tier by that community and I'm flaunting my money or whatever garbage they said.

But not everyone is sh** there. There are close to 80,000 people in /r/mk alone, and while the loudest ones will always be the a**holes, the majority of people there (and here, and most other places) are all good people.

The sense of entitlement is high all over the place these days. Not just on r/mk, or other forums, or the internet, but everywhere. In this day and age we all feel entitled in some way and have to acknowledge those places in our own lives and fight that from coming out.

And being downvoted on reddit happens, doesn't mean that good people aren't reading it either. God knows I hardly ever vote for anything there, simply because its not my habit. Some of the coolest stuff gets downvoted in /r/mk (re: Kishsaver posted, downvoted for "what is this old piece of crap?!" haha). So as Glitched mentioned, yeah it may be hard to see due to the hivemind approach on some things, but it would at least be there to refer people to and calm the seas. If it doesnt stay up though, how would I know anything was ever posted? I'm not on 24/7 to check things. Is there anywhere I can find this post? I just looked and didnt see it?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 26 October 2015, 11:57:34
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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Michael on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:00:07
Is there anywhere I can find this post? I just looked and didnt see it?


https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3q21l3/change_to_brobro_sale_rules/cwbg85q
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: baldgye on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:02:23
A reply to Bro's post:

[–]ptrckstwrt 5 points 1 day ago
It would appear that he's deleted his account instead of trying to communicate.


Lmao that got 4 upvotes hahahaha yeah...
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:17:00
Is there anywhere I can find this post? I just looked and didnt see it?


https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3q21l3/change_to_brobro_sale_rules/cwbg85q

Oh I saw that, and it was a great response. All I was saying is that posting an explanation there along with the rule change to the home page yourself along side the GH post before certain things could be taken out of context or blown out of proportion (which was inevitable) may have saved some trouble, instead of letting reddit find out by someone that ended up posting it who was obviously way, way to angry.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:17:47
So I started reading the letter and got fed up.

Seriously, Bro is just one man. Let him do his thing.

To Bro: Keep doing you! I am loving all the Lycan and Grumpkin pictures! :thumb:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:20:23
I think a lot of this could have easily been avoided had a well written explanation been posted to reddit on the rule changes as well, directly engaging the people at reddit that would inevitably feel left out would have been a good move i think.


In case you missed it, I exactly did that, and was downvoted for it. You should definitely make it a point to read through things in their entirety before making a judgement.

Considering the reddit system it's hard to see posts that receive negative attention from the hivemind.
Unless of course someone from the hivemind makes a post to ridicule you. Then it reaches top of the sub.


I hate to say it (mostly because I post in /r/MK a lot too) but the community there can be kind of ****ty sometimes.

I enjoy talking to a lot of the people there but damn the entitlement is high for some.

I posted about how I was using my Alpha dogs as portables to /r/headphones and got **** for it since they're considered god tier by that community and I'm flaunting my money or whatever garbage they said.

But not everyone is sh** there. There are close to 80,000 people in /r/mk alone, and while the loudest ones will always be the a**holes, the majority of people there (and here, and most other places) are all good people.

The sense of entitlement is high all over the place these days. Not just on r/mk, or other forums, or the internet, but everywhere. In this day and age we all feel entitled in some way and have to acknowledge those places in our own lives and fight that from coming out.

And being downvoted on reddit happens, doesn't mean that good people aren't reading it either. God knows I hardly ever vote for anything there, simply because its not my habit. Some of the coolest stuff gets downvoted in /r/mk (re: Kishsaver posted, downvoted for "what is this old piece of crap?!" haha). So as Glitched mentioned, yeah it may be hard to see due to the hivemind approach on some things, but it would at least be there to refer people to and calm the seas. If it doesnt stay up though, how would I know anything was ever posted? I'm not on 24/7 to check things. Is there anywhere I can find this post? I just looked and didnt see it?

Yeah

I know people like kudos and rjmana are much more active on reddit and I love talking to them there and having discussions.

However I hate the classifieds there and there are a fair number of users that are just a-holes. It's the only place where I've had people follow me for weeks to downvote me to the point that an admin stepped in.

It's just my experience that discussions with the average redditor are that they're far more entitled. Try making any kind of conser

Back on topic.

Hard to see stuff on reddit because of the way that it works. Not sure if Bro deleted his post about the changes or anything.
I imagine that the users that are mad are only so because they don't agree with it, not that they didn't see it.
However not everyone did see it there because of the way reddit works =/

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: baldgye on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:23:50
Is there anywhere I can find this post? I just looked and didnt see it?


https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3q21l3/change_to_brobro_sale_rules/cwbg85q

Oh I saw that, and it was a great response. All I was saying is that posting an explanation there along with the rule change to the home page yourself along side the GH post before certain things could be taken out of context or blown out of proportion (which was inevitable) may have saved some trouble, instead of letting reddit find out by someone that ended up posting it who was obviously way, way to angry.

you should legit read about circle-jerks and how they have ruined all sub reddits. There is a narrative in r/mk that grew from a single user and that narrative has never changed, all subs have a narrative when they form, but that changes and the circle-jerk changes to something else.
If you ever wanted a clear sign to see that the world is populated by mindless morons it's Reddit, it's brainless subs switch from one circle-jerk to the next following which ever community member is prevalent at the time.
Happens in r/starcraft r/diablo r/formula1 r/wec r/mk r/srs /worldnews etc etc etc etc etc
Bro couldn't have done anything more than what he has done, expecting him to be able to fight back against what Reddit, a million $ company, with millions of hits a day and millions of users is, is insane.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:40:15
Is there anywhere I can find this post? I just looked and didnt see it?


https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3q21l3/change_to_brobro_sale_rules/cwbg85q

Oh I saw that, and it was a great response. All I was saying is that posting an explanation there along with the rule change to the home page yourself along side the GH post before certain things could be taken out of context or blown out of proportion (which was inevitable) may have saved some trouble, instead of letting reddit find out by someone that ended up posting it who was obviously way, way to angry.

you should legit read about circle-jerks and how they have ruined all sub reddits. There is a narrative in r/mk that grew from a single user and that narrative has never changed, all subs have a narrative when they form, but that changes and the circle-jerk changes to something else.
If you ever wanted a clear sign to see that the world is populated by mindless morons it's Reddit, it's brainless subs switch from one circle-jerk to the next following which ever community member is prevalent at the time.
Happens in r/starcraft r/diablo r/formula1 r/wec r/mk r/srs /worldnews etc etc etc etc etc
Bro couldn't have done anything more than what he has done, expecting him to be able to fight back against what Reddit, a million $ company, with millions of hits a day and millions of users is, is insane.

I think the reddit format works well for some stuff like pictures and funny photos but that's about it - the way that content is sorted based on "hotness" makes any meaningful discussion basically impossible - especially when all the content is just photos anyway with no meaningful commentary


The amount of people over there who blindly follow their divine leader without any self examination is mind-boggling - just look at the amount of users using the term Geekwhack who have never ever been here.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: trizkut on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:43:14
Is there anywhere I can find this post? I just looked and didnt see it?


https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3q21l3/change_to_brobro_sale_rules/cwbg85q

Oh I saw that, and it was a great response. All I was saying is that posting an explanation there along with the rule change to the home page yourself along side the GH post before certain things could be taken out of context or blown out of proportion (which was inevitable) may have saved some trouble, instead of letting reddit find out by someone that ended up posting it who was obviously way, way to angry.

you should legit read about circle-jerks and how they have ruined all sub reddits. There is a narrative in r/mk that grew from a single user and that narrative has never changed, all subs have a narrative when they form, but that changes and the circle-jerk changes to something else.
If you ever wanted a clear sign to see that the world is populated by mindless morons it's Reddit, it's brainless subs switch from one circle-jerk to the next following which ever community member is prevalent at the time.
Happens in r/starcraft r/diablo r/formula1 r/wec r/mk r/srs /worldnews etc etc etc etc etc
Bro couldn't have done anything more than what he has done, expecting him to be able to fight back against what Reddit, a million $ company, with millions of hits a day and millions of users is, is insane.

I think the reddit format works well for some stuff like pictures and funny photos but that's about it - the way that content is sorted based on "hotness" makes any meaningful discussion basically impossible - especially when all the content is just photos anyway with no meaningful commentary


The amount of people over there who blindly follow their divine leader without any self examination is mind-boggling - just look at the amount of users using the term Geekwhack who have never ever been here.


I think it's awful to be honest.

Quote
Vote. If you think something contributes to conversation, upvote it. If you think it does not contribute to the subreddit it is posted in or is off-topic in a particular community, downvote it.

Isn't that what the report button is for?  To want upvote and downvote to mean something drastically different without communicating it (let's be real, I'd bet that less than 5% of users even know what 'reddiquette' is, and even then, it makes no sense) is just a flawed system.  People downvote **** they don't like all the damn time.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:48:17
Is there anywhere I can find this post? I just looked and didnt see it?


https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3q21l3/change_to_brobro_sale_rules/cwbg85q

Oh I saw that, and it was a great response. All I was saying is that posting an explanation there along with the rule change to the home page yourself along side the GH post before certain things could be taken out of context or blown out of proportion (which was inevitable) may have saved some trouble, instead of letting reddit find out by someone that ended up posting it who was obviously way, way to angry.

you should legit read about circle-jerks and how they have ruined all sub reddits. There is a narrative in r/mk that grew from a single user and that narrative has never changed, all subs have a narrative when they form, but that changes and the circle-jerk changes to something else.
If you ever wanted a clear sign to see that the world is populated by mindless morons it's Reddit, it's brainless subs switch from one circle-jerk to the next following which ever community member is prevalent at the time.
Happens in r/starcraft r/diablo r/formula1 r/wec r/mk r/srs /worldnews etc etc etc etc etc
Bro couldn't have done anything more than what he has done, expecting him to be able to fight back against what Reddit, a million $ company, with millions of hits a day and millions of users is, is insane.

I think the reddit format works well for some stuff like pictures and funny photos but that's about it - the way that content is sorted based on "hotness" makes any meaningful discussion basically impossible - especially when all the content is just photos anyway with no meaningful commentary


The amount of people over there who blindly follow their divine leader without any self examination is mind-boggling - just look at the amount of users using the term Geekwhack who have never ever been here.

Completely agree! /r/mk could be /r/mkphotos honestly. The different formats really make all of the forums extremely useful for different things. Running a legitimate Interest Check/Group Buy on reddit with the way it is formatted is nearly impossible, for example. I was basically getting at the point that a basic PR move would be to post up there right when you post changes on other forums simply to "watch your own back/prevent the appearance of not caring"  due to the fact that the rule changes did affect a lot of people there as well.

There are plenty of people here that blindly follow things as well, again, that will happen and sometimes it can be easy for any of us to jump on a bandwagon without really looking at the details and making our own conclusions just because we stick with our friends, tl:dr, or whatever. I sure know I'm no exception or perfect example.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:54:45
People downvote **** they don't like all the damn time.

This is the biggest issue

Bro was downvoted because they didn't like his rule change and not because of anything else.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2015, 12:58:07
People downvote **** they don't like all the damn time.

This is the biggest issue

Bro was downvoted because they didn't like his rule change and not because of anything else.

You cant let votes determine your actions though. God knows what votes here would look like if they existed  :eek:

I mean, people downvote Hoff there constantly just because "hes that GH guy -_-" haha. I would get downvoted constantly when I'd come behind ripster and actually encourage people to get on GH, or mock him for calling it GW, etc. You can't take votes personally, thats just silly  :p
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: CaplockJack on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:11:21
Has Geekhack ever tried an Upvote only system?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:16:21
I wonder why every user that is not affected by this rule now comes out and says that "Way to go, Bro. Your product, your rules". But in the end, for them nothing has changed.

I joined geekhack when the "Rustler" sale was going and needed an account here to be able to enter. The fact that i didn`t win doesn`t mean stopped coming back here. But now, with this change, i feel left out, just for being the new guy around here. And you can't say i'm not supporting the maker when 35$ is about 10% of my monthly paycheck. For a keycap.. I wanted that keycap and show my appreaciation of his work.

In the end, i wonder how much this change means to Bro, because until now, with the raffle system, he could manage the amount of time put in this hobby by limiting the amount of caps made each round, or wait a bit longer when it comes to shipping the caps. It's not like we knew how many winners are each time. When the caps are made to order, there is a long waiting period until the shipment is done.

Just my 2 cents on the whole thing..

P.S It's funny to see how people react to someone posting an opinion that they don't agree with. Mentally ill... prick... that's how you help this community grow and welcome new users /s

this community is constantly evolving, there are always a whole bunch of losers, and a whole bunch of cool people; sometimes it's just harder to see which is which.

I just don't understand what the op is trying to achieve by doing this...

Isn't it obvious? Only 55 more open letters to Bro and he'll have 100 posts.

I think the effort to write the long letter was way more than just writing 100 posts.

This timeses infinity.


Elite of the elite.

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This dude only took 3 months to hit 100 post.


I've entered a bunch of bro sales over the course of quite some time and only won once.
Feeling left out for not being here for three months[=100posts] is ridiculous.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:17:08
People downvote **** they don't like all the damn time.

This is the biggest issue

Bro was downvoted because they didn't like his rule change and not because of anything else.

You cant let votes determine your actions though. God knows what votes here would look like if they existed  :eek:

I mean, people downvote Hoff there constantly just because "hes that GH guy -_-" haha. I would get downvoted constantly when I'd come behind ripster and actually encourage people to get on GH, or mock him for calling it GW, etc. You can't take votes personally, thats just silly  :p

I still post.
I don't care if I get -100 on a comment (you can see my comments on hardwareswap for an example. Or don't because I was partially trolling towards the end)
but you also can't help but feel unwanted in the community if everything you post is downvoted.
I hate downvote / upvote systems because people don't even man up enough to tell you why they think you're wrong. You make a good argument with logical points and some hiveminder will downvote you with no counter argument.
At a certain point I don't blame people for not wanting to be there.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:18:45


This dude only took 3 months to hit 100 post.


I've entered a bunch of bro sales over the course of quite some time and only won once.
Feeling left out for not being here for three months[=100posts] is ridiculous.

That's still not even that fast!

That's a touch over 1 post per day =(

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: happyturtlee on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:19:24
I'm not entirely sure what is going on here but I wanted to add my .02 as a new member/lurker. My interest in mechanical keyboards did not start until earlier this year and I'm usually not the type of person to post online very often. I was the last of my close friends to buy a mechanical keyboard and it's been a cool bonding experience chatting about this hobby day to day. I've also been trying to collect a variety of artisans, and I have to say as someone who recently joined the community, it's pretty difficult getting rarer artisans with nothing valuable to trade. That being said, when I heard that I would need 100 posts on Geekhack to enter the next Brocaps raffle, I was disappointed at first. But now I think it's a new opportunity for me to be more vocal about a hobby I really enjoy. It's a chance to contribute more to the community in positive ways. The rule change is only going to have a negative effect if you choose to have a bad attitude about it and hopefully we can just give each other the benefit of the doubt that most of us just want to have fun and get along.

This turned out cheesier than I thought but idgaf.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:26:38
I'm not entirely sure what is going on here but I wanted to add my .02 as a new member/lurker. My interest in mechanical keyboards did not start until earlier this year and I'm usually not the type of person to post online very often. I was the last of my close friends to buy a mechanical keyboard and it's been a cool bonding experience chatting about this hobby day to day. I've also been trying to collect a variety of artisans, and I have to say as someone who recently joined the community, it's pretty difficult getting rarer artisans with nothing valuable to trade. That being said, when I heard that I would need 100 posts on Geekhack to enter the next Brocaps raffle, I was disappointed at first. But now I think it's a new opportunity for me to be more vocal about a hobby I really enjoy. It's a chance to contribute more to the community in positive ways. The rule change is only going to have a negative effect if you choose to have a bad attitude about it and hopefully we can just give each other the benefit of the doubt that most of us just want to have fun and get along.

This turned out cheesier than I thought but idgaf.

This guy gets it. :thumb:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:26:48
I'm not entirely sure what is going on here but I wanted to add my .02 as a new member/lurker. My interest in mechanical keyboards did not start until earlier this year and I'm usually not the type of person to post online very often. I was the last of my close friends to buy a mechanical keyboard and it's been a cool bonding experience chatting about this hobby day to day. I've also been trying to collect a variety of artisans, and I have to say as someone who recently joined the community, it's pretty difficult getting rarer artisans with nothing valuable to trade. That being said, when I heard that I would need 100 posts on Geekhack to enter the next Brocaps raffle, I was disappointed at first. But now I think it's a new opportunity for me to be more vocal about a hobby I really enjoy. It's a chance to contribute more to the community in positive ways. The rule change is only going to have a negative effect if you choose to have a bad attitude about it and hopefully we can just give each other the benefit of the doubt that most of us just want to have fun and get along.

This turned out cheesier than I thought but idgaf.

Don't let your cheese just be cheese.

How else would we have found out about jailhouse blues if the guy who came up with it never posted about it?
Or some of the cool custom boards that people have made to give us inspiration?

Post questions and learn!

People are happy when you ask them questions about their review. I spend 5 hours or so just in writing and looking over my review before posting. Knowing someone read it is great and having them ask questions or criticize certain parts is even better since they can develop their style more and explain about a product they love or hate.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: maxpegasus on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:31:14
I'm not entirely sure what is going on here but I wanted to add my .02 as a new member/lurker. My interest in mechanical keyboards did not start until earlier this year and I'm usually not the type of person to post online very often. I was the last of my close friends to buy a mechanical keyboard and it's been a cool bonding experience chatting about this hobby day to day. I've also been trying to collect a variety of artisans, and I have to say as someone who recently joined the community, it's pretty difficult getting rarer artisans with nothing valuable to trade. That being said, when I heard that I would need 100 posts on Geekhack to enter the next Brocaps raffle, I was disappointed at first. But now I think it's a new opportunity for me to be more vocal about a hobby I really enjoy. It's a chance to contribute more to the community in positive ways. The rule change is only going to have a negative effect if you choose to have a bad attitude about it and hopefully we can just give each other the benefit of the doubt that most of us just want to have fun and get along.

This turned out cheesier than I thought but idgaf.

A concise and sensible reaction to this whole mess... bravo! :thumb:
You show wisdom far beyond your post count ;D
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: happyturtlee on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:33:10
I'm not entirely sure what is going on here but I wanted to add my .02 as a new member/lurker. My interest in mechanical keyboards did not start until earlier this year and I'm usually not the type of person to post online very often. I was the last of my close friends to buy a mechanical keyboard and it's been a cool bonding experience chatting about this hobby day to day. I've also been trying to collect a variety of artisans, and I have to say as someone who recently joined the community, it's pretty difficult getting rarer artisans with nothing valuable to trade. That being said, when I heard that I would need 100 posts on Geekhack to enter the next Brocaps raffle, I was disappointed at first. But now I think it's a new opportunity for me to be more vocal about a hobby I really enjoy. It's a chance to contribute more to the community in positive ways. The rule change is only going to have a negative effect if you choose to have a bad attitude about it and hopefully we can just give each other the benefit of the doubt that most of us just want to have fun and get along.

This turned out cheesier than I thought but idgaf.

Don't let your cheese just be cheese.

How else would we have found out about jailhouse blues if the guy who came up with it never posted about it?
Or some of the cool custom boards that people have made to give us inspiration?

Post questions and learn!

People are happy when you ask them questions about their review. I spend 5 hours or so just in writing and looking over my review before posting. Knowing someone read it is great and having them ask questions or criticize certain parts is even better since they can develop their style more and explain about a product they love or hate.

Good point! I'm used to keeping to myself and just using Google but it's kind of thrilling to have someone actually take the time to respond to something you write.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:33:13
People downvote **** they don't like all the damn time.

This is the biggest issue

Bro was downvoted because they didn't like his rule change and not because of anything else.

You cant let votes determine your actions though. God knows what votes here would look like if they existed  :eek:

I mean, people downvote Hoff there constantly just because "hes that GH guy -_-" haha. I would get downvoted constantly when I'd come behind ripster and actually encourage people to get on GH, or mock him for calling it GW, etc. You can't take votes personally, thats just silly  :p

I still post.
I don't care if I get -100 on a comment (you can see my comments on hardwareswap for an example. Or don't because I was partially trolling towards the end)
but you also can't help but feel unwanted in the community if everything you post is downvoted.
I hate downvote / upvote systems because people don't even man up enough to tell you why they think you're wrong. You make a good argument with logical points and some hiveminder will downvote you with no counter argument.
At a certain point I don't blame people for not wanting to be there.

I know. God knows when I was a mod there I'd get downvoted constantly when I posted stuff that actually needed to be said. What can you do though?

Voting definitely has its ups and downs. Personally I do enjoy how it weeds out a lot of the blatant crap posts/silly posts/etc, but inevitably the system gets abused for personal reasons which it was not intended for. End of the day I guess I'm glad we have forums like GH and Reddit where both differ so much they become very useful in their own way.

As far as manning up,  I agree. It should happen more (in the proper way - not "**** you for disagreeing with me, you a tard or something?" ) I mean, on the flipside of the Reddit "Hive Mind" mentality that happens there,  any critique of certain people or groups here can often be met with a similar hive mind wave of posts attacking the person. It happens everywhere, which is where just where it is important to get to know the community you are talking to, and approach them accordingly :D
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:34:49
I'm not entirely sure what is going on here but I wanted to add my .02 as a new member/lurker. My interest in mechanical keyboards did not start until earlier this year and I'm usually not the type of person to post online very often. I was the last of my close friends to buy a mechanical keyboard and it's been a cool bonding experience chatting about this hobby day to day. I've also been trying to collect a variety of artisans, and I have to say as someone who recently joined the community, it's pretty difficult getting rarer artisans with nothing valuable to trade. That being said, when I heard that I would need 100 posts on Geekhack to enter the next Brocaps raffle, I was disappointed at first. But now I think it's a new opportunity for me to be more vocal about a hobby I really enjoy. It's a chance to contribute more to the community in positive ways. The rule change is only going to have a negative effect if you choose to have a bad attitude about it and hopefully we can just give each other the benefit of the doubt that most of us just want to have fun and get along.

This turned out cheesier than I thought but idgaf.

This guy gets it. :thumb:

yes he does. :thumb:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:40:39
I'm not entirely sure what is going on here but I wanted to add my .02 as a new member/lurker. My interest in mechanical keyboards did not start until earlier this year and I'm usually not the type of person to post online very often. I was the last of my close friends to buy a mechanical keyboard and it's been a cool bonding experience chatting about this hobby day to day. I've also been trying to collect a variety of artisans, and I have to say as someone who recently joined the community, it's pretty difficult getting rarer artisans with nothing valuable to trade. That being said, when I heard that I would need 100 posts on Geekhack to enter the next Brocaps raffle, I was disappointed at first. But now I think it's a new opportunity for me to be more vocal about a hobby I really enjoy. It's a chance to contribute more to the community in positive ways. The rule change is only going to have a negative effect if you choose to have a bad attitude about it and hopefully we can just give each other the benefit of the doubt that most of us just want to have fun and get along.

This turned out cheesier than I thought but idgaf.

Don't let your cheese just be cheese.

How else would we have found out about jailhouse blues if the guy who came up with it never posted about it?
Or some of the cool custom boards that people have made to give us inspiration?

Post questions and learn!

People are happy when you ask them questions about their review. I spend 5 hours or so just in writing and looking over my review before posting. Knowing someone read it is great and having them ask questions or criticize certain parts is even better since they can develop their style more and explain about a product they love or hate.

Good point! I'm used to keeping to myself and just using Google but it's kind of thrilling to have someone actually take the time to respond to something you write.

There is also the Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40501.0) thread by CPTBadAss, so that you don't have to make a new thread for every question.

And you could always check out my *** RECOMMENDED READING *** (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68372.0) and Super Awesome Tools and Resources Made By Users! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69582.0)threads for more suggestions! :D
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Michael on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:51:57
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:52:55
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0

I wanted to vote for the 1000 posts and 6 months membership but it wasn't on there. :P ;)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: strict on Mon, 26 October 2015, 13:56:49
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0

I wanted to vote for the 1000 posts and 6 months membership but it wasn't on there. :P ;)

Seconded
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: cwils0n on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:05:32
I'm pretty new to both geekhack and r/mk (I bought my first mechanical keyboard in March).  I visit them daily (with a little DT thrown in sometimes), but when it comes down to it geekhack seems to be a better place to have proper discussions.  R/mk is used for quick and dirty submissions saying "look at my things," which isn't necessarily bad.  I generally gain more knowledge about keyboards and related items by trudging through the infinite amount of threads here on GH.

I'm not quite at 100, but I'm almost there.  Even if I was at 0 post count right now I still would have absolutely no problem with the conditions set by Bro.  Asking people to be more involved with a community in order to reap the rewards of said community seems quite fair to me.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nightdriver on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:08:07
i must assume anyone accusing bro of copying k3 comes from rand mcnally, where they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: JinDesu on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:09:39
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0

I wanted to vote for the 1000 posts and 6 months membership but it wasn't on there. :P ;)

Brutal.

Actually posting this just so I could see how many posts I have. It's too hard to go to my profile button.

Edit - Damn, I wouldn't have made your requirement. *glares*
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: scoobs0311 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:11:07
confessions of a lurker...

As a newer member here (about a year) with few posts, I'd like share my view in hopes that other new people may be able to relate.

About me:
When I first read the new rules on Saturday, I was disappointed and a little down. After being eligible for about a year and being excited to enter into raffles for this amazing art, it sucks to feel excluded. On top of that, I am not a very social person. At 33, I've never used facebook, myspace, or social media/forums aside from reddit and GH and have only very recently gotten to the point of being comfortable enough to post anything at all (I still get nervous with every post, including this one). That being said, I still respect this decision, and believe it will benefit the mk community in the end.

Why I feel this way:
For the community to grow, it's needs participation. Compared to my other hobbies (guitar/cars/networking/pc-gaming), there's an incredibly limited amount of places to learn about, look at, or discuss anything related to mechanical keyboards. With such limited resources, the community needs to work together and put in an effort to provide valuable feedback so it can survive and evolve. I think the point being made here is that he's put in a lot of time and love into what he does, and simply wants others to contribute as well, so the community can benefit from the input of more than a handful of individuals. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I got out of it.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:11:40
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0)

I wanted to vote for the 1000 posts and 6 months membership but it wasn't on there. :p ;)

Brutal.

Actually posting this just so I could see how many posts I have. It's too hard to go to my profile button.

Edit - Damn, I wouldn't have made your requirement. *glares*

You joined almost 5 years ago :p

And to get to your profile quickly just click your username.  :thumb:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:11:53
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0

Voted for 100. Anything more is a bit much, IMO.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:15:19
confessions of a lurker...

As a newer member here (about a year) with few posts, I'd like share my view in hopes that other new people may be able to relate.

About me:
When I first read the new rules on Saturday, I was disappointed and a little down. After being eligible for about a year and being excited to enter into raffles for this amazing art, it sucks to feel excluded. On top of that, I am not a very social person. At 33, I've never used facebook, myspace, or social media/forums aside from reddit and GH and have only very recently gotten to the point of being comfortable enough to post anything at all (I still get nervous with every post, including this one). That being said, I still respect this decision, and believe it will benefit the mk community in the end.

Why I feel this way:
For the community to grow, it's needs participation. Compared to my other hobbies (guitar/cars/networking/pc-gaming), there's an incredibly limited amount of places to learn about, look at, or discuss anything related to mechanical keyboards. With such limited resources, the community needs to work together and put in an effort to provide valuable feedback so it can survive and evolve. I think the point being made here is that he's put in a lot of time and love into what he does, and simply wants others to contribute as well, so the community can benefit from the input of more than a handful of individuals. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I got out of it.


Sometimes you gotta just go all in. No reason to be scared. We bite occasionally but usually not very hard.

PS: i'm completely antisocial and am also 33, are you my long lost twin?  :eek:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: JinDesu on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:15:44
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0)

I wanted to vote for the 1000 posts and 6 months membership but it wasn't on there. :p ;)

Brutal.

Actually posting this just so I could see how many posts I have. It's too hard to go to my profile button.

Edit - Damn, I wouldn't have made your requirement. *glares*

You've joined almost 5 years ago :p

And to get to your profile quickly just click your username.  :thumb:

Yeah, I got less participatory because work made it harder to post.

And yeah, but that was two clicks to get back to make a silly post =p
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Hexterdude on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:18:15
I personally think that no matter what happens we have to respect the bro's decision and just let it be. I know many of the newer members, including myself find it disappointing that we now need to have 100 post in order to even have a chance to get a bro but he has his reasons and these are his caps. We just need now be more active on this forum and hopefully we'll be rewarded with dank caps.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: FreeCopy on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:19:35
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0

LMAO! Who was the one **** you vote?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: scoobs0311 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:23:32
confessions of a lurker...

As a newer member here (about a year) with few posts, I'd like share my view in hopes that other new people may be able to relate.

About me:
When I first read the new rules on Saturday, I was disappointed and a little down. After being eligible for about a year and being excited to enter into raffles for this amazing art, it sucks to feel excluded. On top of that, I am not a very social person. At 33, I've never used facebook, myspace, or social media/forums aside from reddit and GH and have only very recently gotten to the point of being comfortable enough to post anything at all (I still get nervous with every post, including this one). That being said, I still respect this decision, and believe it will benefit the mk community in the end.

Why I feel this way:
For the community to grow, it's needs participation. Compared to my other hobbies (guitar/cars/networking/pc-gaming), there's an incredibly limited amount of places to learn about, look at, or discuss anything related to mechanical keyboards. With such limited resources, the community needs to work together and put in an effort to provide valuable feedback so it can survive and evolve. I think the point being made here is that he's put in a lot of time and love into what he does, and simply wants others to contribute as well, so the community can benefit from the input of more than a handful of individuals. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I got out of it.


Sometimes you gotta just go all in. No reason to be scared. We bite occasionally but usually not very hard.

PS: i'm completely antisocial and am also 33, are you my long lost twin?  :eek:

Haha, thanks for the support, brother! Hoping to come out of my shell sooner than later :D
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: mobbo on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:23:41
confessions of a lurker...

As a newer member here (about a year) with few posts, I'd like share my view in hopes that other new people may be able to relate.

About me:
When I first read the new rules on Saturday, I was disappointed and a little down. After being eligible for about a year and being excited to enter into raffles for this amazing art, it sucks to feel excluded. On top of that, I am not a very social person. At 33, I've never used facebook, myspace, or social media/forums aside from reddit and GH and have only very recently gotten to the point of being comfortable enough to post anything at all (I still get nervous with every post, including this one). That being said, I still respect this decision, and believe it will benefit the mk community in the end.

Why I feel this way:
For the community to grow, it's needs participation. Compared to my other hobbies (guitar/cars/networking/pc-gaming), there's an incredibly limited amount of places to learn about, look at, or discuss anything related to mechanical keyboards. With such limited resources, the community needs to work together and put in an effort to provide valuable feedback so it can survive and evolve. I think the point being made here is that he's put in a lot of time and love into what he does, and simply wants others to contribute as well, so the community can benefit from the input of more than a handful of individuals. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I got out of it.

I think that's a wonderful perspective.

And I'm quite surprised Bro is even allowing people to vote on the matter. Hopefully this will settle things for good once the masses have decided :thumb:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:24:41
Compared to my other hobbies (guitar/cars/networking/pc-gaming), there's an incredibly limited amount of places to learn about, look at, or discuss anything related to mechanical keyboards.

Think of it this way...since there exist so few places to discuss mechanical keyboard &c., there is certainly opportunity here at GH for one to reach 100 posts without problem! ;)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: meevilsheep on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:29:16
I was disappointed at first. But now I think it's a new opportunity

Probably will read this topic when i enter the "100" club and laugh my pants off.. I may be disappointed now but probably this rule allows him to keep doing what he's doing. Looking forward to what Bro makes in the future.

Regarding the poll, you should consider it only if it has 100+ votes  :)
 
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: scoobs0311 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:31:56
confessions of a lurker...

As a newer member here (about a year) with few posts, I'd like share my view in hopes that other new people may be able to relate.

About me:
When I first read the new rules on Saturday, I was disappointed and a little down. After being eligible for about a year and being excited to enter into raffles for this amazing art, it sucks to feel excluded. On top of that, I am not a very social person. At 33, I've never used facebook, myspace, or social media/forums aside from reddit and GH and have only very recently gotten to the point of being comfortable enough to post anything at all (I still get nervous with every post, including this one). That being said, I still respect this decision, and believe it will benefit the mk community in the end.

Why I feel this way:
For the community to grow, it's needs participation. Compared to my other hobbies (guitar/cars/networking/pc-gaming), there's an incredibly limited amount of places to learn about, look at, or discuss anything related to mechanical keyboards. With such limited resources, the community needs to work together and put in an effort to provide valuable feedback so it can survive and evolve. I think the point being made here is that he's put in a lot of time and love into what he does, and simply wants others to contribute as well, so the community can benefit from the input of more than a handful of individuals. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I got out of it.

I think that's a wonderful perspective.

And I'm quite surprised Bro is even allowing people to vote on the matter. Hopefully this will settle things for good once the masses have decided :thumb:

thanks for the kind words! I was also a little surprised by the vote. Not gonna hide it, I just voted for 50 because 100 feels so far for me. But, as others have stated, I'm sure the 100 will get here soon enough. :)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:34:01
voted for 100. the logic is there. i never had any issues with that.  :thumb:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: scoobs0311 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:35:57
Compared to my other hobbies (guitar/cars/networking/pc-gaming), there's an incredibly limited amount of places to learn about, look at, or discuss anything related to mechanical keyboards.

Think of it this way...since there exist so few places to discuss mechanical keyboard &c., there is certainly opportunity here at GH for one to reach 100 posts without problem! ;)

this is a great point! hoping to get there and far beyond someday :)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: taylordcraig on Mon, 26 October 2015, 14:50:04
over 9000 posts
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: clacktalk on Mon, 26 October 2015, 15:00:23
over 9000 posts

how about rowdy's post count - 1?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Karura on Mon, 26 October 2015, 15:16:58
Woot I placed my vote!

I don't think 100 posts is too much. That's literally a week of posting daily, and getting more people involved in the community thru discussion.

But I guess too many people are stuck in the mindset of instant gratification and rather dedicate their time and energy to create sodium instead of contributing 100 posts.

As to why people want to have BroCaps/artisans without participating in the community, I will never know. The community is the fun part of the hobby!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jerue on Mon, 26 October 2015, 15:19:30
over 9000 posts

how about rowdy's post count - 1?

This just in, all future BroCaps to be made in Rowdy Yellow :P
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Mon, 26 October 2015, 16:05:54
I like how all the redditors think theyll win either way. Dont they know all the caps go to lady gaga, jay z and the rest of the illuminati?

All hail lizard man brocaps!!!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 16:30:32
People downvote **** they don't like all the damn time.

This is the biggest issue

Bro was downvoted because they didn't like his rule change and not because of anything else.

You cant let votes determine your actions though. God knows what votes here would look like if they existed  :eek:

I mean, people downvote Hoff there constantly just because "hes that GH guy -_-" haha. I would get downvoted constantly when I'd come behind ripster and actually encourage people to get on GH, or mock him for calling it GW, etc. You can't take votes personally, thats just silly  :p

I still post.
I don't care if I get -100 on a comment (you can see my comments on hardwareswap for an example. Or don't because I was partially trolling towards the end)
but you also can't help but feel unwanted in the community if everything you post is downvoted.
I hate downvote / upvote systems because people don't even man up enough to tell you why they think you're wrong. You make a good argument with logical points and some hiveminder will downvote you with no counter argument.
At a certain point I don't blame people for not wanting to be there.

I know. God knows when I was a mod there I'd get downvoted constantly when I posted stuff that actually needed to be said. What can you do though?

Voting definitely has its ups and downs. Personally I do enjoy how it weeds out a lot of the blatant crap posts/silly posts/etc, but inevitably the system gets abused for personal reasons which it was not intended for. End of the day I guess I'm glad we have forums like GH and Reddit where both differ so much they become very useful in their own way.

As far as manning up,  I agree. It should happen more (in the proper way - not "**** you for disagreeing with me, you a tard or something?" ) I mean, on the flipside of the Reddit "Hive Mind" mentality that happens there,  any critique of certain people or groups here can often be met with a similar hive mind wave of posts attacking the person. It happens everywhere, which is where just where it is important to get to know the community you are talking to, and approach them accordingly :D

Some of the gaming subs are insane.
I think it's just that it's worse there. There are other forums that are definitely as bad.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 16:33:01
Also voted for 100 posts.

It's really not that much.

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:01:43
lol
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GSimon on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:14:41
lol

srs politics here, nations are dividing, it's no laughing matter
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Frizer on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:18:56
confessions of a lurker...

As a newer member here (about a year) with few posts, I'd like share my view in hopes that other new people may be able to relate.

About me:
When I first read the new rules on Saturday, I was disappointed and a little down. After being eligible for about a year and being excited to enter into raffles for this amazing art, it sucks to feel excluded. On top of that, I am not a very social person. At 33, I've never used facebook, myspace, or social media/forums aside from reddit and GH and have only very recently gotten to the point of being comfortable enough to post anything at all (I still get nervous with every post, including this one). That being said, I still respect this decision, and believe it will benefit the mk community in the end.

Why I feel this way:
For the community to grow, it's needs participation. Compared to my other hobbies (guitar/cars/networking/pc-gaming), there's an incredibly limited amount of places to learn about, look at, or discuss anything related to mechanical keyboards. With such limited resources, the community needs to work together and put in an effort to provide valuable feedback so it can survive and evolve. I think the point being made here is that he's put in a lot of time and love into what he does, and simply wants others to contribute as well, so the community can benefit from the input of more than a handful of individuals. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I got out of it.

This is pretty much where I'm coming from too. Don't have the inclination to deal with being social. I'm forcing myself to do a couple of posts a day, I guess that is true "Bro Therapy".

Might be eligible for a raffle in a few months :)

In case it's not clear I do support the post count rule (I voted for 50, but 100 is fair enough). I'll get there  :thumb:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: hudson0804 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:27:34
I'll be honest. I don't think I deserve a vote.

My post count stands to an amount of questions, the majority of them stupid questions, and one thread that I hope one day will turn into a hey look what I did.

This forum, this community, inspired me to dream of these things.  The people and personalities that live here inspire others through what they do.

If bro wanted to make it 1000 posts then I would have to be inspired to reach this target.

H
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: alexjd99 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:35:00
Although initially I didn't agree with Bro's decision, it now does seem like a logical choice. r/mk's response has been quite a bit excessive. Although 100 posts sounds like a lot, it really isn't. And even if it was a lot, if you really wanted something, you would do what it takes to get it, and in this case, what it takes is only 100 posts.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:45:14
Also the response of the Reddit hivemind might just further show why promoting more discussion there might not be as worthwhile. Even if he didn't need to, he explained himself to them and they gave him ****. They just reinforced the fact that they're a separate community and don't respect the work.

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Herothereu on Mon, 26 October 2015, 18:50:12
Voted against it.

Will change my vote when I hit 100.

 ;D
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ideus on Mon, 26 October 2015, 19:04:45
To be a lurker, or a spammer, that is the question.

I am more into the DIY part of the mechanical keyboard hobby, and less into artisan stuff, I do not know about raffles and I do not have any artisan cap, but I love to participate in discussions here, I know sometimes people could be easily offended, and some others nobody cares about what someone says, but who cares.

This is one of the very few places you can relate with people that cares about your beloved new custom board, or your new awesome key caps OG set that costs you an arm and a leg.

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Karura on Mon, 26 October 2015, 19:46:05
So apparently reddit is such a hostile environment that even posting photos of Bro Caps now will get you downvoted to oblivion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3qccgy/photos_mah_rustla/cwe0p75

What happened to reddit being a good place for sharing fresh content and nice photos, and upvoting/downvoting based on the quality of the content?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: zlittell on Mon, 26 October 2015, 19:57:00
So we can win caps and then sell to Reddit users for hundreds of dollars still right  :))

Edit:  For real though, I will say exactly what I said in some reddit post about the poll.  I give Bro like another year or so with the way things are before he just stops making ****.  This all seems absolutely insane to me.  How does one man even put up with all of this.

Plus I am surprised at how hard it has been for reddit to just accept that Bro doesn't like them lolol.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nmur on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:05:56
So apparently reddit is such a hostile environment that even posting photos of Bro Caps now will get you downvoted to oblivion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3qccgy/photos_mah_rustla/cwe0p75

What happened to reddit being a good place for sharing fresh content and nice photos, and upvoting/downvoting based on the quality of the content?

ironic that an image of a Rustler literally rustled their jimmies. I guess we're in a time where posting an image of a K3 cap is likely to get more upvotes than an image of a Bro

/r/mk is good for content, but as soon as you scroll down to the comments section, it's not so great
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:07:19
So apparently reddit is such a hostile environment that even posting photos of Bro Caps now will get you downvoted to oblivion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3qccgy/photos_mah_rustla/cwe0p75

What happened to reddit being a good place for sharing fresh content and nice photos, and upvoting/downvoting based on the quality of the content?
I gave you my vote! :)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ripwallet on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:08:19
Come for the lovely keycaps stay for the juicy drama :P
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: rpeterclark on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:08:54
So apparently reddit is such a hostile environment that even posting photos of Bro Caps now will get you downvoted to oblivion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3qccgy/photos_mah_rustla/cwe0p75

What happened to reddit being a good place for sharing fresh content and nice photos, and upvoting/downvoting based on the quality of the content?

Are you sure it's really getting downvoted? (https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/28hjga/reddit_changes_individual_updown_vote_counts_no/) The voting system is a weird system.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GSimon on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:16:04
So apparently reddit is such a hostile environment that even posting photos of Bro Caps now will get you downvoted to oblivion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3qccgy/photos_mah_rustla/cwe0p75

What happened to reddit being a good place for sharing fresh content and nice photos, and upvoting/downvoting based on the quality of the content?

As reddit's ambassador I must step in, I simply must

This thread was one of the top threads this month: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3pnnz6/new_brocap_came_in_today_i_hope_it_doesnt_rustle/

'fresh content'  ≠ posting a nearly identical image with a similar title. Not downvoted anymore either! My work here is done. For now

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:20:55
I had a few brocaps included in my upcoming album that I'm not sure I feel like sharing on reddit anymore =/
Either way you still got more upvotes than my review of the K727 which I spent 5 hours or so writing (not that I wrote it for the upvotes)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Karura on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:22:20

As reddit's ambassador I must step in, I simply must

This thread was one of the top threads this month: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3pnnz6/new_brocap_came_in_today_i_hope_it_doesnt_rustle/

'fresh content'  ≠ posting a nearly identical image with a similar title. Not downvoted anymore either! My work here is done. For now


Is the ambassador of reddit kinda like the CEO of Bitcoin? :p

Are you sure it's really getting downvoted? (https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/28hjga/reddit_changes_individual_updown_vote_counts_no/) The voting system is a weird system.

At the moment I posted, it was at 0 upvotes, but seems like my awareness has changed the tide!


ironic that an image of a Rustler literally rustled their jimmies. I guess we're in a time where posting an image of a K3 cap is likely to get more upvotes than an image of a Bro

/r/mk is good for content, but as soon as you scroll down to the comments section, it's not so great

It's irony at the very best...  ;D


I gave you my vote! :)

Thank you :D

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4649096/unrustled-jimmies-o.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: rpeterclark on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:29:04

As reddit's ambassador I must step in, I simply must

This thread was one of the top threads this month: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3pnnz6/new_brocap_came_in_today_i_hope_it_doesnt_rustle/

'fresh content'  ≠ posting a nearly identical image with a similar title. Not downvoted anymore either! My work here is done. For now


Is the ambassador of reddit kinda like the CEO of Bitcoin? :p

Are you sure it's really getting downvoted? (https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/28hjga/reddit_changes_individual_updown_vote_counts_no/) The voting system is a weird system.

At the moment I posted, it was at 0 upvotes, but seems like my awareness has changed the tide!


ironic that an image of a Rustler literally rustled their jimmies. I guess we're in a time where posting an image of a K3 cap is likely to get more upvotes than an image of a Bro

/r/mk is good for content, but as soon as you scroll down to the comments section, it's not so great

It's irony at the very best...  ;D


I gave you my vote! :)

Thank you :D

Show Image
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4649096/unrustled-jimmies-o.gif)


It's really not unusual for a new post (less than 2 hours for this one) to flutter around zero for a while. No cause for alarm or to call out the site as a hostile environment. It's getting its due up votes now that people are seeing it!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Kazekumiho on Mon, 26 October 2015, 20:36:31
This thread just gave me an idea for an awesome key cap,

we have a rustler...

a warewolf...

what about a..................


More
Dear leader

[img] (Attachment Link)



GTFO  :'(

No

As a 1/2 North Korean, I would legit buy this keycap!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:12:58
**** it, let's make it 500 posts.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:16:22
**** it, let's make it 500 posts.

I'm fine with 1000 even

It doesn't change the sentiment

Just changes how long the average person has to be an active member for before they can enter.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jonathanyu on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:19:48
make it 5000
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: btctopre on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:20:15
gonna have to outsource my ****posting at this rate
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Butter on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:33:22
I say make it 9000!!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: calvinhousecat on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:35:57
**** it, let's make it 500 posts.

I'm fine with 1000 even

It doesn't change the sentiment

Just changes how long the average person has to be an active member for before they can enter.

NotLikeThis.twitchtvemote
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: VesperSAINT on Mon, 26 October 2015, 23:48:26
What's going on in here??? I've been gone since last Thurs-...

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/4OVLKQc.gif)

Linked is an open letter I wrote to BroCaps, sharing my thoughts on his recent decision. https://docs.google.com/document/d/10p4yXHPI2WdkPR_AS3azhhHG9p4UU3e1wB1staKOLMQ/edit?usp=sharing

(http://www.picgifs.com/reaction-gifs/reaction-gifs/wtf/wtf014.gif) Uhh...

I usually don't respond to these things, and I try to stay out of the drama... but man... these days, the self-entitlement and general attitude of some people really disgusts me...

I mean, I know many people have already expressed this but I just don't understand why ironpup didn't realize this... that the amount of effort he/she put into that open letter... he/she would have way over 100 posts... LOL! Unfortunately, ironpup only wants to express his/her frustration at being denied of immediate gratification. I mean look at the fact that he/she posted an angry rant and doesn't even bother to respond back to the responses he/she got... I mean, really??? This is a clear demonstration of his/her repulsive neediness and selfishness. The way I see it, he/she has no respect for this community or artisans/creators. Bro Caps is also a fellow hobbyist before anything else, just like all of us. He is only but one man who creates these amazing keycaps out of love and passion for the hobby, which he pours his all into. What's wrong with him wanting some form of standardized proof that the buyer has appreciation for his work and the keyboard hobby in general. Many people want these limited caps, and he wants it to go to people he knows cares. He can't go through every person's posts on Reddit, DT, GH or every other place. He, like everyone else, has his own life with limited time and energy.Therefore, he set GH as the standard because this is his hometown. What is so wrong with that? inb4 buttherearemorepplonreddit. LOL. If you're thinking that, you're missing the point. Really.

It's also really not exclusivity. He's not saying people on Reddit, DT, or anywhere else can't buy or participate. He just asks you to have a mere 100 posts on GH... you can do that in a day or two... What is so hard about expressing your passion for keyboards and keycaps in 100 posts. There are so many different threads about all kinds of things on this forum. Ask a question, share some opinions on something someone wrote, express your opinions on someone's photos, post a photo, post ANYTHING. HECK, express your dislike for something. ironpup literally could've started this thread with one sentence, expressing disdain for this new rule, and then just replied to every response he/she got in this thread... ironpup would have over 100 posts by now. See how easy it would've been? It's so bloody easy to hit 100 posts while being "constructive". 

I really could pick apart the entire open letter and point out how... "unthoughtful" it was, and how he acts like he talks on behalf of some legitimate authority... but I'll stop here because I'll only be repeating more of what others said... "So I, a relatively established member of this community..." LOLOLOL! *facepalm*

tl;dr - We're all here because of a shared passion, and all Bro asks of you is for you to show some of that in the form of a mere 100 posts. Is that too much to ask? I think not.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Karura on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:09:41
^Confirmed established member of the community!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 27 October 2015, 00:58:31
It's just part of that "everybody gets a trophy" attitude that was probably passed on by his parents. There are no winners or losers. Kind of ridiculous. I'm new around here, but I get what @Brocaps is saying. I was lucky to get in on the unrustled cap. I don't have nearly enough posts yet to get in on the next one. But that's okay. I'm still a noob when it comes to mechanical keyboards, but I lurk and learn a little bit, here and there. So right now, my comments aren't much,  except for admiration of the work that is being done on GH. So far, it's a great supportive community.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: VesperSAINT on Tue, 27 October 2015, 01:05:12
^Confirmed established member of the community!

HUE~ What even is an "established member"?

Sounds cool though. Who bestows upon the title?! Where do I sign up for try outs?! I hope I make varsity... I shall forever dream to be established.


So right now, my comments aren't much...

That part ain't true, breh. Your comment means as much as anyone else's, if not more~ See, what's important is you went out of your way and gave effort to understand and had empathy, even if it meant an unfavorable situation for you. That's some awesome stuff, IMO.

Kudos to you <3
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 27 October 2015, 01:09:51

^Confirmed established member of the community!

HUE~ What even is an "established member"?

Sounds cool though. Who bestows upon the title?! Where do I sign up for try outs?! I hope I make varsity... I shall forever dream to be established.


So right now, my comments aren't much...

That part ain't true, breh. Your comment means as much as anyone else's, if not more~ See, what's important is you went out of your way and gave effort to understand and had empathy, even if it meant an unfavorable situation for you. That's some awesome stuff, IMO.

Kudos to you <3

Thanks man. I wouldn't consider it unfavorable. It's just I don't feel entitled and believe that there should be more constructive contributions. Not just someone running over here to make an account just so they can qualify to buy a cap. Of course I'm 40 and our generation never had this sense of entitlement. Go figure.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: hudson0804 on Tue, 27 October 2015, 04:03:23
Well i spent the rest of yesterday evening and this morning going through this thread again.

I have drawn conclusions and the most obvious one is this is defiantly a place i want to be.

There are so many of you who have responded and show a passion for what a great deal of people would say is a very odd hobby. 

I am glad i found you you may not be glad to know that I'm sticking around.

H
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 27 October 2015, 04:45:08
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0

I wanted to vote for the 1000 posts and 6 months membership but it wasn't on there. :P ;)

Why not just require at least one Bro already? :))
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: UTEster750 on Tue, 27 October 2015, 04:51:55
Well i spent the rest of yesterday evening and this morning going through this thread again.

I have drawn conclusions and the most obvious one is this is defiantly a place i want to be.

There are so many of you who have responded and show a passion for what a great deal of people would say is a very odd hobby. 

I am glad i found you you may not be glad to know that I'm sticking around.

H

It's one of those places, I discovered r/mk through random reddit browsing, then eventually found geekhack and once I got used to here it feel so much more warm and has more of a community feel and I think that is why lots of people stick around.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Kirfloof on Tue, 27 October 2015, 05:33:37
Used to see a lot of similar stuff in my MMO days, 'everyone should have everything with the minimal of effort' and then nothing is special anymore.

Behaving 'reasonably' seems to be becoming rarer and rarer, everything's all us vs them and extreme viewpoints.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Aengus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 06:36:32
Well i spent the rest of yesterday evening and this morning going through this thread again.

I have drawn conclusions and the most obvious one is this is defiantly a place i want to be.

There are so many of you who have responded and show a passion for what a great deal of people would say is a very odd hobby. 

I am glad i found you you may not be glad to know that I'm sticking around.

H

It's one of those places, I discovered r/mk through random reddit browsing, then eventually found geekhack and once I got used to here it feel so much more warm and has more of a community feel and I think that is why lots of people stick around.

That's how I wound up here too.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Porkins on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:06:19
Well i spent the rest of yesterday evening and this morning going through this thread again.

I have drawn conclusions and the most obvious one is this is defiantly a place i want to be.

There are so many of you who have responded and show a passion for what a great deal of people would say is a very odd hobby. 

I am glad i found you you may not be glad to know that I'm sticking around.

H

It's one of those places, I discovered r/mk through random reddit browsing, then eventually found geekhack and once I got used to here it feel so much more warm and has more of a community feel and I think that is why lots of people stick around.

That's how I wound up here too.

Me as well, I browsed r/MK for a couple weeks, but kept noticing that the admin would outright attack people who had differing opinions than him. This type of behavior just bolsters my opinion of geekhack and why I now come almost solely here for my keyboard needs.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:18:03
What's going on in here??? I've been gone since last Thurs-...

Show Image
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/4OVLKQc.gif)


Linked is an open letter I wrote to BroCaps, sharing my thoughts on his recent decision. https://docs.google.com/document/d/10p4yXHPI2WdkPR_AS3azhhHG9p4UU3e1wB1staKOLMQ/edit?usp=sharing

Show Image
(http://www.picgifs.com/reaction-gifs/reaction-gifs/wtf/wtf014.gif)
Uhh...

I usually don't respond to these things, and I try to stay out of the drama... but man... these days, the self-entitlement and general attitude of some people really disgusts me...

I mean, I know many people have already expressed this but I just don't understand why ironpup didn't realize this... that the amount of effort he/she put into that open letter... he/she would have way over 100 posts... LOL! Unfortunately, ironpup only wants to express his/her frustration at being denied of immediate gratification. I mean look at the fact that he/she posted an angry rant and doesn't even bother to respond back to the responses he/she got... I mean, really??? This is a clear demonstration of his/her repulsive neediness and selfishness. The way I see it, he/she has no respect for this community or artisans/creators. Bro Caps is also a fellow hobbyist before anything else, just like all of us. He is only but one man who creates these amazing keycaps out of love and passion for the hobby, which he pours his all into. What's wrong with him wanting some form of standardized proof that the buyer has appreciation for his work and the keyboard hobby in general. Many people want these limited caps, and he wants it to go to people he knows cares. He can't go through every person's posts on Reddit, DT, GH or every other place. He, like everyone else, has his own life with limited time and energy.Therefore, he set GH as the standard because this is his hometown. What is so wrong with that? inb4 buttherearemorepplonreddit. LOL. If you're thinking that, you're missing the point. Really.

It's also really not exclusivity. He's not saying people on Reddit, DT, or anywhere else can't buy or participate. He just asks you to have a mere 100 posts on GH... you can do that in a day or two... What is so hard about expressing your passion for keyboards and keycaps in 100 posts. There are so many different threads about all kinds of things on this forum. Ask a question, share some opinions on something someone wrote, express your opinions on someone's photos, post a photo, post ANYTHING. HECK, express your dislike for something. ironpup literally could've started this thread with one sentence, expressing disdain for this new rule, and then just replied to every response he/she got in this thread... ironpup would have over 100 posts by now. See how easy it would've been? It's so bloody easy to hit 100 posts while being "constructive". 

I really could pick apart the entire open letter and point out how... "unthoughtful" it was, and how he acts like he talks on behalf of some legitimate authority... but I'll stop here because I'll only be repeating more of what others said... "So I, a relatively established member of this community..." LOLOLOL! *facepalm*

tl;dr - We're all here because of a shared passion, and all Bro asks of you is for you to show some of that in the form of a mere 100 posts. Is that too much to ask? I think not.
TLDR
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:21:23
TLDR

ApocalypseMaow,

YOU WILL READ EVERY WORD THAT VesperSAINT WROTE IN THAT POST!!! It's so rare nowadays that he expresses himself verbally, as it is usually GIFs. Why miss the rare chance to read his thoughts in written form?!

:P
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:26:52
Well i spent the rest of yesterday evening and this morning going through this thread again.

I have drawn conclusions and the most obvious one is this is defiantly a place i want to be.

There are so many of you who have responded and show a passion for what a great deal of people would say is a very odd hobby. 

I am glad i found you you may not be glad to know that I'm sticking around.

H

It's one of those places, I discovered r/mk through random reddit browsing, then eventually found geekhack and once I got used to here it feel so much more warm and has more of a community feel and I think that is why lots of people stick around.

That's how I wound up here too.

Me as well, I browsed r/MK for a couple weeks, but kept noticing that the admin would outright attack people who had differing opinions than him. This type of behavior just bolsters my opinion of geekhack and why I now come almost solely here for my keyboard needs.

I browse both, but ripster really is kind of a sad man. He reminds me of the 25 year old who hangs out with high schoolers because they think he's cool. I think he does a good job moderating and maintaining a decent sub, but he really does just try to start up **** and rally people around /mk/ instead of the community as a whole.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:32:13
ripster really is kind of a sad man. He reminds me of the 25 year old who hangs out with high schoolers because they think he's cool.

Pretty much sums it up, doesn't it?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:35:14
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:40:52
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:45:01
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.

Open letter is not exactly the same as to open the Pandora's box.

In a second thought, I'd say that it is time for the OP to say something in his favor, as for example, that he feels as part of our community, as well.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Aengus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 10:37:32
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0

I wanted to vote for the 1000 posts and 6 months membership but it wasn't on there. :P ;)

Why not just require at least one Bro already? :))

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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 27 October 2015, 10:43:56
feel free to vote
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=59295.0

I wanted to vote for the 1000 posts and 6 months membership but it wasn't on there. :P ;)

Why not just require at least one Bro already? :))

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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 27 October 2015, 10:46:58
TLDR

ApocalypseMaow,

YOU WILL READ EVERY WORD THAT VesperSAINT WROTE IN THAT POST!!! It's so rare nowadays that he expresses himself verbally, as it is usually GIFs. Why miss the rare chance to read his thoughts in written form?!

:P
I missed his GIFs though!

As for established member, @Vesper https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76404.0;topicseen
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 27 October 2015, 11:47:23
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.

But his is a member of the community as well, and he was getting called god awful names. The retaliation against him for having an opinion he has the right to have was unbelievable, and far too harsh, period. I'm sorry, but calling someone "retarded" is never okay, regardless of my very personal reasons for not being ok with it, it still is going way too far over a difference in opinion, and I was rather disappointed nobody stood up for him from a human perspective. Attack the opinion sure, but attacking the individual on a personal level is really not cool.

When you say our community in that context, it really does make it seem (or even verify) there is some very different levels of acceptance here.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 27 October 2015, 11:50:17
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.

But his is a member of the community as well, and he was getting called god awful names. The retaliation against him for having an opinion he has the right to have was unbelievable, and far too harsh, period. I'm sorry, but calling someone "retarded" is never okay, regardless of my very personal reasons for not being ok with it, it still is going way too far over a difference in opinion, and I was rather disappointed nobody stood up for him from a human perspective. Attack the opinion sure, but attacking the individual on a personal level is really not cool.

When you say our community in that context, it really does make it seem (or even verify) there is some very different levels of acceptance here.

Having the right to an opinion is meaningless if that opinion is worthless.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 27 October 2015, 11:55:27
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.

But his is a member of the community as well, and he was getting called god awful names. The retaliation against him for having an opinion he has the right to have was unbelievable, and far too harsh, period. I'm sorry, but calling someone "retarded" is never okay, regardless of my very personal reasons for not being ok with it, it still is going way too far over a difference in opinion, and I was rather disappointed nobody stood up for him from a human perspective. Attack the opinion sure, but attacking the individual on a personal level is really not cool.

When you say our community in that context, it really does make it seem (or even verify) there is some very different levels of acceptance here.

Having the right to an opinion is meaningless if that opinion is worthless.

So you are saying GH is only welcoming if you accent the popular ways of thinking around here as well?

His opinion was not worthless, regardless how much you disagree with it.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 October 2015, 11:56:55
omg drama on gh what a shock
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: dgneo on Tue, 27 October 2015, 11:59:18
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.

But his is a member of the community as well, and he was getting called god awful names. The retaliation against him for having an opinion he has the right to have was unbelievable, and far too harsh, period. I'm sorry, but calling someone "retarded" is never okay, regardless of my very personal reasons for not being ok with it, it still is going way too far over a difference in opinion, and I was rather disappointed nobody stood up for him from a human perspective. Attack the opinion sure, but attacking the individual on a personal level is really not cool.

When you say our community in that context, it really does make it seem (or even verify) there is some very different levels of acceptance here.

Having the right to an opinion is meaningless if that opinion is worthless.

Congrats on perpetuating what livingspeedbump was trying to say.

What a ****ing ****ty thing to say.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 27 October 2015, 11:59:23
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.

But his is a member of the community as well, and he was getting called god awful names. The retaliation against him for having an opinion he has the right to have was unbelievable, and far too harsh, period. I'm sorry, but calling someone "retarded" is never okay, regardless of my very personal reasons for not being ok with it, it still is going way too far over a difference in opinion, and I was rather disappointed nobody stood up for him from a human perspective. Attack the opinion sure, but attacking the individual on a personal level is really not cool.

When you say our community in that context, it really does make it seem (or even verify) there is some very different levels of acceptance here.

Having the right to an opinion is meaningless if that opinion is worthless.

So you are saying GH is only welcoming if you accent the popular ways of thinking around here as well?

His opinion was not worthless, regardless how much you disagree with it.

How was it not worthless?
His letter was full of misinformation, lies and hyperbole. It was based on poor information and made leaps of logic that didn't make any sense. On top of that, in the 5 pages since his post (what what like 24hrs?) he has failed to contribute anymore context to his post in order to help validate his opinion.

His post has no worthwhile content and his opinion (in this matter) has no value.

Congrats on perpetuating what livingspeedbump was trying to say.

What a ****ing ****ty thing to say.

Do I also need to point out that we are not all born equal... or would that be too much?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 27 October 2015, 12:06:29
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.

But his is a member of the community as well, and he was getting called god awful names. The retaliation against him for having an opinion he has the right to have was unbelievable, and far too harsh, period. I'm sorry, but calling someone "retarded" is never okay, regardless of my very personal reasons for not being ok with it, it still is going way too far over a difference in opinion, and I was rather disappointed nobody stood up for him from a human perspective. Attack the opinion sure, but attacking the individual on a personal level is really not cool.

When you say our community in that context, it really does make it seem (or even verify) there is some very different levels of acceptance here.

Having the right to an opinion is meaningless if that opinion is worthless.

So you are saying GH is only welcoming if you accent the popular ways of thinking around here as well?

His opinion was not worthless, regardless how much you disagree with it.

How was it not worthless?
His letter was full of misinformation, lies and hyperbole. It was based on poor information and made leaps of logic that didn't make any sense. On top of that, in the 5 pages since his post (what what like 24hrs?) he has failed to contribute anymore context to his post in order to help validate his opinion.

His post, has no worthwhile content, his opinion has no value.

Honestly, after the first few pages, I really don't blame him at all for now replying after how awful people were. I probably wouldn't either.

And as I mentioned earlier, there were a few valid points. You had had to read it objectively enough to see/understand them. Obviously most people here went into reading it already hating it from the start without giving any real objective thought to it. Much the way reddit has acted, just in the opposite direction.

End of the day, the real issue for me in this thread (even the whole situation) is not Bro's decision at all. I mean...that is 110% his call to make, and it wasn't even a big deal at all! My problem here is how people treated other people over such a small detail. Being SO defensive about makes it just as blown out of proportion as reddit's extremely unnecessary anger.

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: billnye on Tue, 27 October 2015, 12:07:56
Having the right to an opinion is meaningless if that opinion is worthless.
lol
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 27 October 2015, 12:12:43
omg drama on gh what a shock

TL;DR of OP's letter:

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Reaction to the letter:

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Me right now:

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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 27 October 2015, 12:16:29
Honestly, after the first few pages, I really don't blame him at all for now replying after how awful people were. I probably wouldn't either.

And as I mentioned earlier, there were a few valid points. You had had to read it objectively enough to see/understand them. Obviously most people here went into reading it already hating it from the start without giving any real objective thought to it. Much the way reddit has acted, just in the opposite direction.

End of the day, the real issue for me in this thread (even the whole situation) is not Bro's decision at all. I mean...that is 110% his call to make, and it wasn't even a big deal at all! My problem here is how people treated other people over such a small detail. Being SO defensive about makes it just as blown out of proportion as reddit's extremely unnecessary anger.


Ok so let's break it down, at least the opening part of his valid opinion. He hasn't replied because he had no intention to create a dialogue or try and make a fair and reasonable point;

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I would like to start off with asking you why? While you have in the past advocated for an equal distribution of your caps, giving away and trying to sell as many as you could to make sure no one keyboard went Bro-less, over the past few days you have made considerable steps in the opposite direction, making your caps even more exclusive and alienating a considerable amount of our small community.

How, other than introducing a new sale type (to try and make sure more people got in) and a post cap that has yet to affect any sale or give-away has bro done anything to make his caps more exclusive and alienate anyone?

Quote
So I, a relatively established member of this community, ask you: why the change?

Established? How sweet.
And then he kicks off the rest of his post with this brilliant line;

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Your hypocrisy has become obvious and abundant, and is not only affecting the integrity of your brand, but also impacting the well being of this community.


What possible value can this person's opinion have?
He highlights and makes it abundantly clear that he is bias and has no interest in being reasonable, logical or using facts to back up his wildly inaccurate opening points. If I was to post my opinions on a medical forum about the uses of certain chemicals in the use of cancer treatment and opened my post in that tone I would get similar treatment, if not banned from the forum, because my opinion on that subject has no value, I'd be pushing lies and the tone is intentionally confrontational.

His opinion has no value, his opinion is worthless.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 27 October 2015, 12:18:56
Yikes... this is a scary, scary thread.

The fact that people are willing to heap this amount of hate and bile on someone they don't know is... well a bit crazy. It shouldn't surprise me after this long, but wow, this is what we want this "community" to stand for?

There are a number of people who tried to actually engage in a real discussion, and that's great, but then there's the rest of the people who just want to get their hateful little zinger in.

Congrats, you've helped make us look terrible!  :thumb:

Edit: I would sum up my whole point by saying: why do people feel the need to attack the person rather than the content continually?

Cause there was plenty to attack in the content...
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 October 2015, 12:23:49
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.

But his is a member of the community as well, and he was getting called god awful names. The retaliation against him for having an opinion he has the right to have was unbelievable, and far too harsh, period. I'm sorry, but calling someone "retarded" is never okay, regardless of my very personal reasons for not being ok with it, it still is going way too far over a difference in opinion, and I was rather disappointed nobody stood up for him from a human perspective. Attack the opinion sure, but attacking the individual on a personal level is really not cool.

When you say our community in that context, it really does make it seem (or even verify) there is some very different levels of acceptance here.

Actually, my use of the term "community" refers to Geekhack, specifically. While he seems to indicate that he is an established member of the "community" as a whole, including reddit, DT, etc. Although obviously, he is highly biased toward reddit. I have always considered other forums as separate communities within a larger enthusiast niche. There is some crossover, but they are separate for a reason.

It would seem Bro Caps, by his recent changes, considers Geekhack to be his "home" community. And he wants people who buy his caps to be a part of it, by participating and posting here.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 October 2015, 12:39:56
More
I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.

But his is a member of the community as well, and he was getting called god awful names. The retaliation against him for having an opinion he has the right to have was unbelievable, and far too harsh, period. I'm sorry, but calling someone "retarded" is never okay, regardless of my very personal reasons for not being ok with it, it still is going way too far over a difference in opinion, and I was rather disappointed nobody stood up for him from a human perspective. Attack the opinion sure, but attacking the individual on a personal level is really not cool.

When you say our community in that context, it really does make it seem (or even verify) there is some very different levels of acceptance here.

Actually, my use of the term "community" refers to Geekhack, specifically. While he seems to indicate that he is an established member of the "community" as a whole, including reddit, DT, etc. Although obviously, he is highly biased toward reddit. I have always considered other forums as separate communities within a larger enthusiast niche. There is some crossover, but they are separate for a reason.

It would seem Bro Caps, by his recent changes, considers Geekhack to be his "home" community. And he wants people who buy his caps to be a part of it, by participating and posting here.

I'm with jdcarpe on this one. I may venture over to r/mk on occasion and go check out DT for some things but for me geekhack is definitely home and what I consider to be the community I'm a part of.

This doesn't mean the other places are inherently bad or not worthy or anything else, they just aren't the places I spend time at.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: rpeterclark on Tue, 27 October 2015, 12:46:30
Are people here really defending the way this guy was treated?

You can disagree with people without belittling them or trying to make them feel worthless.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 October 2015, 12:53:37
Are people here really defending the way this guy was treated?

You can disagree with people without belittling them or trying to make them feel worthless.

I'm trying to figure out what has everyone so upset. There were a couple posts on the first page where a couple of members asked OP if he was mentally ill, or dumb or retarded. Those are the only patently offensive posts I found.

baldgye said his opinion doesn't matter, but I tend to disagree. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but we don't have to agree. Facts are another matter.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 27 October 2015, 12:55:32
You can disagree with people without belittling them or trying to make them feel worthless.

Most people are not defending bashing of the person, but bashing of the letter and its content.  Sometimes the two difficult to separate, especially since the letter is one of the most entitled things I have ever read.

Some of the most egregious comments:

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You advocate for transparency, yet you have made /r/brocaps private, and have shown no interest in discussing your decisions openly with a huge part of the community that widely supports you.

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Your recent actions have led me to believe that your focus has shifted from the good of the community to one of personal gain.

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Perhaps you do not fully understand that leading is not about those who follow you working for you, but instead you working for, and helping your followers.

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I am writing this letter because I fear that if you continue making the decision you have been making will not only hurt yourself, and your art, but the community itself.


And don't forget the ultimate irony of the letter given that Bro said he is doing things the way he is to make more time for his family:

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I only wish the best for you, your family, your company, and this community,

Everything in OP's letter just reeks of entitlement.  Of course people are going to react negatively against him and the letter.

And, honestly, the content of this thread is nothing compared to hate I have seen spewed on Reddit.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: CaplockJack on Tue, 27 October 2015, 13:10:20
I feel entitled to get one now.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 27 October 2015, 13:25:11
I feel entitled to get one now.

Right? I think I've earned it. 2 of them actually, I deserve 2 caps
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ripwallet on Tue, 27 October 2015, 13:26:39
Are people here really defending the way this guy was treated?

You can disagree with people without belittling them or trying to make them feel worthless.

I have no gripes with either side. I think its comical because both communities claim the other is toxic cancer. Its unneeded drama over lets be realistic a couple pieces of plastic. It really does perplex me that there can be so much damn drama between a bunch of people buying/selling/collecting keyboards.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 27 October 2015, 13:32:06
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I think is time for the OP to say something or just locked the thread.

Well, he did say "open" letter. Why lock the thread now? I think there is some interesting discussion happening here now. Sure, initial reactions were maybe a bit heated, but I think that was to be expected when someone spoke out negatively against a member of our community.

But his is a member of the community as well, and he was getting called god awful names. The retaliation against him for having an opinion he has the right to have was unbelievable, and far too harsh, period. I'm sorry, but calling someone "retarded" is never okay, regardless of my very personal reasons for not being ok with it, it still is going way too far over a difference in opinion, and I was rather disappointed nobody stood up for him from a human perspective. Attack the opinion sure, but attacking the individual on a personal level is really not cool.

When you say our community in that context, it really does make it seem (or even verify) there is some very different levels of acceptance here.

Actually, my use of the term "community" refers to Geekhack, specifically. While he seems to indicate that he is an established member of the "community" as a whole, including reddit, DT, etc. Although obviously, he is highly biased toward reddit. I have always considered other forums as separate communities within a larger enthusiast niche. There is some crossover, but they are separate for a reason.

It would seem Bro Caps, by his recent changes, considers Geekhack to be his "home" community. And he wants people who buy his caps to be a part of it, by participating and posting here.

I'm with jdcarpe on this one. I may venture over to r/mk on occasion and go check out DT for some things but for me geekhack is definitely home and what I consider to be the community I'm a part of.

This doesn't mean the other places are inherently bad or not worthy or anything else, they just aren't the places I spend time at.
Yeah makes perfect sense. Good clarification jd. I also agree in that context they are all connected yet strikingly different.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: sth on Tue, 27 October 2015, 13:51:32
calling someone 'retarded' is awful and pretty wack but
Having the right to an opinion is meaningless if that opinion is worthless.

i'd put it differently but i agree with your sentiment. if you write an open letter that makes you sound like you deserve something that exists just because you have the means to pay for it, regardless of literally everything else in the entire world, your opinion is pretty... uh, questionable.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: VesperSAINT on Tue, 27 October 2015, 14:10:41

So right now, my comments aren't much...

That part ain't true, breh. Your comment means as much as anyone else's, if not more~ See, what's important is you went out of your way and gave effort to understand and had empathy, even if it meant an unfavorable situation for you. That's some awesome stuff, IMO.

Kudos to you <3

Thanks man. I wouldn't consider it unfavorable. It's just I don't feel entitled and believe that there should be more constructive contributions. Not just someone running over here to make an account just so they can qualify to buy a cap. Of course I'm 40 and our generation never had this sense of entitlement. Go figure.

Agreed. I may not be 40, but I never grew up being told everyone is a winner. 

Like I said in my main post, even if someone spams their way through to 100 posts, IMO, it's still shows the bare minimum effort Bro is asking for on his home turf (GH). He just wants one to show the smallest amount of standardized proof that they want to a part of this~ he is just trying to weed out even one person who is just wanting to flip this for a pretty penny. Yet, people want to cry about even the smallest amount of work. They have no respect or empathy for what he's trying to do. They just see something pretty and they feel entitled to have it. SMH.


What's going on in here??? I've been gone since last Thurs-...

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Linked is an open letter I wrote to BroCaps, sharing my thoughts on his recent decision. https://docs.google.com/document/d/10p4yXHPI2WdkPR_AS3azhhHG9p4UU3e1wB1staKOLMQ/edit?usp=sharing

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Uhh...

I usually don't respond to these things, and I try to stay out of the drama... but man... these days, the self-entitlement and general attitude of some people really disgusts me...

I mean, I know many people have already expressed this but I just don't understand why ironpup didn't realize this... that the amount of effort he/she put into that open letter... he/she would have way over 100 posts... LOL! Unfortunately, ironpup only wants to express his/her frustration at being denied of immediate gratification. I mean look at the fact that he/she posted an angry rant and doesn't even bother to respond back to the responses he/she got... I mean, really??? This is a clear demonstration of his/her repulsive neediness and selfishness. The way I see it, he/she has no respect for this community or artisans/creators. Bro Caps is also a fellow hobbyist before anything else, just like all of us. He is only but one man who creates these amazing keycaps out of love and passion for the hobby, which he pours his all into. What's wrong with him wanting some form of standardized proof that the buyer has appreciation for his work and the keyboard hobby in general. Many people want these limited caps, and he wants it to go to people he knows cares. He can't go through every person's posts on Reddit, DT, GH or every other place. He, like everyone else, has his own life with limited time and energy.Therefore, he set GH as the standard because this is his hometown. What is so wrong with that? inb4 buttherearemorepplonreddit. LOL. If you're thinking that, you're missing the point. Really.

It's also really not exclusivity. He's not saying people on Reddit, DT, or anywhere else can't buy or participate. He just asks you to have a mere 100 posts on GH... you can do that in a day or two... What is so hard about expressing your passion for keyboards and keycaps in 100 posts. There are so many different threads about all kinds of things on this forum. Ask a question, share some opinions on something someone wrote, express your opinions on someone's photos, post a photo, post ANYTHING. HECK, express your dislike for something. ironpup literally could've started this thread with one sentence, expressing disdain for this new rule, and then just replied to every response he/she got in this thread... ironpup would have over 100 posts by now. See how easy it would've been? It's so bloody easy to hit 100 posts while being "constructive". 

I really could pick apart the entire open letter and point out how... "unthoughtful" it was, and how he acts like he talks on behalf of some legitimate authority... but I'll stop here because I'll only be repeating more of what others said... "So I, a relatively established member of this community..." LOLOLOL! *facepalm*

tl;dr - We're all here because of a shared passion, and all Bro asks of you is for you to show some of that in the form of a mere 100 posts. Is that too much to ask? I think not.
TLDR

HAHAHAHA. I <3 you, ApocMaow... but fight me. RITE MAOW!!! 1v1 me, brewski.

i know u read it, bb <3


ApocalypseMaow,

YOU WILL READ EVERY WORD THAT VesperSAINT WROTE IN THAT POST!!! It's so rare nowadays that he expresses himself verbally, as it is usually GIFs. Why miss the rare chance to read his thoughts in written form?!

:P

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/lol/hawkings-lol.gif)


I missed his GIFs though!

As for established member, @Vesper https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76404.0;topicseen

I missed you, Belfongbae <3

(https://media.giphy.com/media/1E7KH9Eh71w76/giphy.gif)

Thanks for the link. LOL!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:27:45
vesper, do you love me
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:30:37
vesper, do you love me

(http://data3.whicdn.com/images/35535993/large.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:33:07
vesper, do you love me

Show Image
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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Kerpadge on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:41:51
I think what happened is that an individual that was angry, disappointed, misinformed, and possibly suffering from a bit of groupthink, was able to write and post something online before taking the time to process the information and calm down. If someone is in that state of mind and people start throwing hate at him/her, then they’re not likely change the individual’s mind, get the person to admit any fault, or calm down. If someone comes in with this mindset and you want to change their mind, then you have to approach the situation with some tact. Responding with sarcasm, anger, and name-calling is not likely to yield any positive results, only drive the person to dig in their heels or leave the conversation entirely. If someone comes into a situation and is misinformed, then an appropriate response would be to try to educate them on the situation. Yes, maybe they should have looked everything up on their own before posting something, but we’ve established that this person was likely in an emotional state (we’ve all been there) and people tend to do unwise things when feeling this way. If they are a troll, then at least you tried to help someone out before resorting to making them feel like a terrible person.

I don’t enjoy seeing people online act as if there is not an actual person on the receiving end of comments. Even if a person is in the wrong, I don’t like the idea of a person taking cheap-shots from people under the guise of educating him or her. If you want to help someone understand how their thinking was incorrect or how his or her reaction was out of proportion with the scope of incident, then someone is going to have to swallow their pride and resist the temptation to mix insults into what they say.

I am beginning to really enjoy this community, and I am going to assume that some of the negative and overly aggressive things people have said in threads like this one are not the norm for said individuals. I think it was a minority that thought throwing around accusation of mental illness, and I was happy to see that nipped in the bud by the community. If the person that posted the open letter does comes back here, let’s approach the situation with more grace. Hopefully we’ll receive the same.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: VesperSAINT on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:59:01
vesper, do you love me

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/feda1b5586ea9168e98f4e0d1a03eef8/tumblr_inline_mfrkh6WWFH1rzila1.gif) ...yes <3


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jd posting anime gifs... ON POINT EVEN!!! DATS MA FETISH <3

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/6a3e50286b6f45fd74c515b66f81e471/tumblr_ni8yoi6qLO1u55xnmo4_500.gif)


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perfect response gif. amazing ~ i expect nothing less, my loves.

Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Karura on Tue, 27 October 2015, 17:04:03
I think what happened is that an individual that was angry, disappointed, misinformed, and possibly suffering from a bit of groupthink, was able to write and post something online before taking the time to process the information and calm down. If someone is in that state of mind and people start throwing hate at him/her, then they’re not likely change the individual’s mind, get the person to admit any fault, or calm down. If someone comes in with this mindset and you want to change their mind, then you have to approach the situation with some tact. Responding with sarcasm, anger, and name-calling is not likely to yield any positive results, only drive the person to dig in their heels or leave the conversation entirely. If someone comes into a situation and is misinformed, then an appropriate response would be to try to educate them on the situation. Yes, maybe they should have looked everything up on their own before posting something, but we’ve established that this person was likely in an emotional state (we’ve all been there) and people tend to do unwise things when feeling this way. If they are a troll, then at least you tried to help someone out before resorting to making them feel like a terrible person.

I don’t enjoy seeing people online act as if there is not an actual person on the receiving end of comments. Even if a person is in the wrong, I don’t like the idea of a person taking cheap-shots from people under the guise of educating him or her. If you want to help someone understand how their thinking was incorrect or how his or her reaction was out of proportion with the scope of incident, then someone is going to have to swallow their pride and resist the temptation to mix insults into what they say.

I am beginning to really enjoy this community, and I am going to assume that some of the negative and overly aggressive things people have said in threads like this one are not the norm for said individuals. I think it was a minority that thought throwing around accusation of mental illness, and I was happy to see that nipped in the bud by the community. If the person that posted the open letter does comes back here, let’s approach the situation with more grace. Hopefully we’ll receive the same.


Do you not see the irony and hypocrisy in your post? You make some good points, but allow me to offer a different perspective.

BroCaps is operated by a single person who pours their time, passion, and energy into their works, and is at liberty to choose how they wish to distribute their work.

So when you mention how we shouldn't voice our opinions regarding what I consider to be an overly-entitled attitude, then I guess you should consider the reverse, and how BroCaps has to exert additional time and efforts to deal with people who can't be bothered to make a healthy contribution to the GH community with a measly 100 posts.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 27 October 2015, 17:06:40
vesper, do you love me

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...yes <3


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jd posting anime gifs... ON POINT EVEN!!! DATS MA FETISH <3

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perfect response gif. amazing ~ i expect nothing less, my loves.

(http://cdn-ak.f.st-hatena.com/images/fotolife/p/pema/20120503/20120503182648.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Kerpadge on Tue, 27 October 2015, 17:18:27
I think what happened is that an individual that was angry, disappointed, misinformed, and possibly suffering from a bit of groupthink, was able to write and post something online before taking the time to process the information and calm down. If someone is in that state of mind and people start throwing hate at him/her, then they’re not likely change the individual’s mind, get the person to admit any fault, or calm down. If someone comes in with this mindset and you want to change their mind, then you have to approach the situation with some tact. Responding with sarcasm, anger, and name-calling is not likely to yield any positive results, only drive the person to dig in their heels or leave the conversation entirely. If someone comes into a situation and is misinformed, then an appropriate response would be to try to educate them on the situation. Yes, maybe they should have looked everything up on their own before posting something, but we’ve established that this person was likely in an emotional state (we’ve all been there) and people tend to do unwise things when feeling this way. If they are a troll, then at least you tried to help someone out before resorting to making them feel like a terrible person.

I don’t enjoy seeing people online act as if there is not an actual person on the receiving end of comments. Even if a person is in the wrong, I don’t like the idea of a person taking cheap-shots from people under the guise of educating him or her. If you want to help someone understand how their thinking was incorrect or how his or her reaction was out of proportion with the scope of incident, then someone is going to have to swallow their pride and resist the temptation to mix insults into what they say.

I am beginning to really enjoy this community, and I am going to assume that some of the negative and overly aggressive things people have said in threads like this one are not the norm for said individuals. I think it was a minority that thought throwing around accusation of mental illness, and I was happy to see that nipped in the bud by the community. If the person that posted the open letter does comes back here, let’s approach the situation with more grace. Hopefully we’ll receive the same.


Do you not see the irony and hypocrisy in your post? You make some good points, but allow me to offer a different perspective.

BroCaps is operated by a single person who pours their time, passion, and energy into his works, and is at liberty to choose how he wishes to distribute his work.

So when you mention how we shouldn't voice our opinions regarding what I consider to be an overly-entitled attitude, then I guess you should consider the reverse, and how BroCaps has to exert additional time and efforts to deal with people who can't be bothered to make a healthy contribution to the GH community with a measly 100 posts.

Sorry, I suppose I didn't bother to mention that I am full support of Bro maker fewer caps in order to spend more time with his family. I was not agreeing with the sentiment of the person that wrote the open letter, nor do I have a problem with Bro's decision to limit access. I understand that he makes all of the caps himself, and that he does so out of a passion for this community and as a hobby, not a business. The first post I made about this topic was on reddit, trying to explain to the author exactly the circumstances (as far as I understood them) that led to this decision. Sometimes I forget what I've posted online and what I've only thought in my own head.

I didn't see that you had bolded that sentence of my post earlier so I'll try to address what I was trying to get at. I realize that the author of the open letter was acting as if Bro wasn't a real person. I was just trying to say that I want us to try our best to not do the same.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 27 October 2015, 17:46:26


I don’t enjoy seeing people online act as if there is not an actual person on the receiving end of comments. Even if a person is in the wrong, I don’t like the idea of a person taking cheap-shots from people under the guise of educating him or her. If you want to help someone understand how their thinking was incorrect or how his or her reaction was out of proportion with the scope of incident, then someone is going to have to swallow their pride and resist the temptation to mix insults into what they say.



pretty much this.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: dustinhxc on Tue, 27 October 2015, 17:56:25
Another incredibly self-entitled post, that seems to be the norm.


Notice that you make this all about YOU. This decision isn't about YOU, it's not about anyone else. It's about ME. So please kindly step down from your high horse.
I am not a company that has to provide customers with an expected product amount, or set goals of sales, etc. I am one person, me, myself and I. Occasionally my
mother helps me out when I was trying to provide to a larger audience. I decided to step back from that, as it was taking time away from my family and personal
things. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way, but hey, as I said: FEEL FREE TO BUY FROM OTHER ARTISANS, nobody is forcing you to buy anything from me.


It's pretty ridiculous how you and several others seem to feel I asked you to donate an organ. I asked you to meet a fairly simple post requirement here. If you don't
like my rules, don't participate. What was the purpose or expectation, really, to posting this? I already covered each and every point, that you and others chose to ignore
because it didn't meet your personal expectations of what you think I should do, according to you.


To your points of me copying k3? Just.... lol. Really, there is no other expression that I can think of for that, and that's the last I will speak of that piece of trash.


My actions aren't dividing anything. Again, it's my own personal decision to do this, and I don't owe you or anyone else an explanation. If you want to go and buy
terrible versions of my caps from an untalented thief, feel free to do so.


How much are you over-doing this? I mean, seriously. 100 posts on geekhack = end of the world times?


So you could take the time to post this, expressing your dislike for my own personal decision, that actually doesn't really affect anyone other than self-entitled complainers,
but you couldn't take the time to participate in discussions or the community here? Ridiculous, if you ask me.


Hey - don't buy my products, and spread the word! I am not here as a business, I am still a hobbyist and I love this forum.


Why don't I like r/mk? Go look at the scathing commentary and vileness that exists. On top of it being managed by a narcissistic forum troll, that supports counterfeiters.
Hell, he even stickied a k3 sale post once. Sorry, but I don't want to be a part of that.


So tl;dr, sorry to see you go, but my decision is final.


<3

 :thumb:
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: derezzed on Tue, 27 October 2015, 23:42:47
An open letter to BroCaps

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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 28 October 2015, 00:25:29
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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jonathanyu on Wed, 28 October 2015, 01:17:09
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Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 October 2015, 09:06:38
I admire my brother's creativity and diligence in searching for the appropriate images to be posted.

The mark of a death threat or soon to be dead one is when gif images entirely replace careful writing and reading.
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 28 October 2015, 09:08:30
I admire my brother's creativity and diligence in searching for the appropriate images to be posted.

The mark of a death threat or soon to be dead one is when gif images entirely replace careful writing and reading.

(http://i.imgur.com/cyttXy0.gif)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: zlittell on Wed, 28 October 2015, 09:37:40
It always saddens me when I am browsing GH at work... None of these sweet sweet imgur GIFs show up.  Just lots of X'd boxes and lols.  :'(
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 28 October 2015, 10:11:28
It always saddens me when I am browsing GH at work... None of these sweet sweet imgur GIFs show up.  Just lots of X'd boxes and lols.  :'(

You need a way around your corporate firewall, like a VPN service. ;)
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: sth on Wed, 28 October 2015, 10:34:24
It always saddens me when I am browsing GH at work... None of these sweet sweet imgur GIFs show up.  Just lots of X'd boxes and lols.  :'(

You need a way around your corporate firewall, like a VPN service. ;)

y'fired
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Kerpadge on Wed, 28 October 2015, 10:42:13
It always saddens me when I am browsing GH at work... None of these sweet sweet imgur GIFs show up.  Just lots of X'd boxes and lols.  :'(

You need a way around your corporate firewall, like a VPN service. ;)
1. Buy Raspberry Pi.
2. Look up guides to program it as a VPN.
3. Connect and route all internet traffic through your home network from anywhere.
4. Enjoy all the gifs!
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: kishagi on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:14:07
So wait what happened? I think I missed something. After 100 posts what do we get to do?
Title: Re: An open letter to BroCaps
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:39:56
So wait what happened? I think I missed something. After 100 posts what do we get to do?
After 50 post you can enter the raffles/sales for a chance at winning a brocap