Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:48:45
Feel free to make suggestions and comments, thanks! :thumb:
Link to the poll: http://goo.gl/forms/ENlQ6UVRDQ (http://goo.gl/forms/ENlQ6UVRDQ)
Purple|Grey
(http://i.imgur.com/kIoU3Xd.png)
Yellow|Grey
(http://i.imgur.com/3KPI0W2.png)
Pink|Grey
(http://i.imgur.com/61Pdo4S.png)
Green|Grey
(http://i.imgur.com/b8Ph91F.png)
Blue|Grey
(http://i.imgur.com/o0vtgy2.png)
Red|Grey
(http://i.imgur.com/bUH4R2b.png)
Sample Gamer Caps
(http://i.imgur.com/SS1gvsC.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/4wlyMAe.png)
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:54:29
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:55:33
Why not having the legends in a contrasting color, like white or light gray?
Personally I like the low contrast caps.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 08:59:52
Why not having the legends in a contrasting color, like white or light gray?
Personally I like the low contrast caps.
That type of sets have been made at least three times already in PBT die subbed by Ivan; therefore, people that like them have their stock already full with them, but who knows. High contrasting legends is one of the advantages of the double shot process, I do not see why to compete with colors that can be manufacture with other methods.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:02:24
I think that you need at least 2 colours (excl. black) to get an interesting looking GMK set
Post by: fliptrik on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:04:41
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:05:10
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:06:18
Thank you, I'm not familiar with Ivan's sets or most GMK sets for that matter. I like the look of HiPro caps, that's one my major reasons for trying this. :)
Those were not GMK, but PBT caps in Cherry profile, and pricing was very good at under 80 USD per set.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:06:50
Thank you, I'm not familiar with Ivan's sets or most GMK sets for that matter. I like the look of HiPro caps, that's one my major reasons for trying this. :)
Problem with the dark ones is that the dark on dark keycaps have already been run in PBT by Ivan several times
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:08:55
Post by: romevi on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:11:38
That said, I'm interested to see what else you have up your sleeve.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:13:09
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:19:00
What if you did a set of escape and enter keys in these colors?
You would get interesting accent keys and real life examples of the colors.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:20:55
Crazy thought I had when reading the title.
What if you did a set of escape and enter keys in these colors?
You would get interesting accent keys and real life examples of the colors.
Great idea! I would buy some sets to splash some accent to my boring Joe's OG Cherry sets.
Post by: ndolan33 on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:27:19
Post by: n7 on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:28:14
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:31:20
Crazy thought I had when reading the title.
What if you did a set of escape and enter keys in these colors?
You would get interesting accent keys and real life examples of the colors.
I still haven't seen anyone do an accent key group buy but I think it would be pretty awesome
Does anyone know what the cost would work out to?
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:33:07
Crazy thought I had when reading the title.
What if you did a set of escape and enter keys in these colors?
You would get interesting accent keys and real life examples of the colors.
Great idea! I would buy some sets to splash some accent to my boring Joe's OG Cherry sets.
Like a color mod pack? Sure we can do that, even if there's not enough interest for the alphas that will still be nice. :)
edit:
I should probably change the name to Cherry Colors since I'm not really firm on using GMK.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:41:44
I mean an accent set of only escape and enter keys in different colors. It should be much cheaper than an entire mod kit.Crazy thought I had when reading the title.
What if you did a set of escape and enter keys in these colors?
You would get interesting accent keys and real life examples of the colors.
Great idea! I would buy some sets to splash some accent to my boring Joe's OG Cherry sets.
Like a color mod pack? Sure we can do that, even if there's not enough interest for the alphas that will still be nice. :)
Then when people get those they can decide what colors they like or don't like and they will have some interesting accent keys.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:41:55
Crazy thought I had when reading the title.
What if you did a set of escape and enter keys in these colors?
You would get interesting accent keys and real life examples of the colors.
Great idea! I would buy some sets to splash some accent to my boring Joe's OG Cherry sets.
Like a color mod pack? Sure we can do that, even if there's not enough interest for the alphas that will still be nice. :)
edit:
I should probably change the name to Cherry Colors since I'm not really firm on using GMK.
That sounds great!
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:43:20
Crazy thought I had when reading the title.
What if you did a set of escape and enter keys in these colors?
You would get interesting accent keys and real life examples of the colors.
Great idea! I would buy some sets to splash some accent to my boring Joe's OG Cherry sets.
Like a color mod pack? Sure we can do that, even if there's not enough interest for the alphas that will still be nice. :)
edit:
I should probably change the name to Cherry Colors since I'm not really firm on using GMK.
That sounds great!
The packs may open interest in the original proposal, but with actual samples, people may make their minds in full sets in similar colors.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 09:53:38
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 27 October 2015, 10:07:20
I believe group buy leaders should really focus on either the alphas or the mods.
Look at billnye's numbers for his GMK blue modifier GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70595.0), he sold 489 set at $47 which is a really reasonable price.
His set was great, he included both ISO and ANSI Enter, R3 Control with a stepped alternative too, arrow keys, and all sort of R4 keys. IMHO it only missed a 1u R1 Backspace.
It would be better to let people also vote for legends' color as black won't surely please everyone.
My two cents.
Post by: Doobalicious on Tue, 27 October 2015, 10:32:39
I mean an accent set of only escape and enter keys in different colors. It should be much cheaper than an entire mod kit.Crazy thought I had when reading the title.
What if you did a set of escape and enter keys in these colors?
You would get interesting accent keys and real life examples of the colors.
Great idea! I would buy some sets to splash some accent to my boring Joe's OG Cherry sets.
Like a color mod pack? Sure we can do that, even if there's not enough interest for the alphas that will still be nice. :)
Then when people get those they can decide what colors they like or don't like and they will have some interesting accent keys.
+1. This is a sweet idea. :eek:
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 15:28:04
I didn't really aim for another thematic set.
edit:
Also the above reason means a color pack or what ever accent kits will still be great. :)
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 27 October 2015, 15:40:24
They are just so uninteresting and I would not want to pay the extra cost for something I could likely get from other sources.
The coloured mods are cool though. I think that a coloured mod pack would be much more successful than a full set.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:02:30
Black on grey alphas are not something I would want to pay for.
They are just so uninteresting and I would not want to pay the extra cost for something I could likely get from other sources.
The coloured mods are cool though. I think that a coloured mod pack would be much more successful than a full set.
We can just separate the Alphas and the mods.
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:06:08
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:09:27
If I were you those are the colours that I would look at.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:21:38
Green, red, yellow, and pink mods have not been done thus far.Thanks for the feedback, personally I like the least used colors like yellow and pink, but I also know people will be asking for the common ones.
If I were you those are the colours that I would look at.
Post by: darkclone24 on Tue, 27 October 2015, 16:58:41
I do like the mod-pack, however, especially with dark legends. As has been mentioned, Billnye's Electric
Post by: Tofunator on Tue, 27 October 2015, 17:57:41
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 27 October 2015, 18:46:45
Green, red, yellow, and pink mods have not been done thus far.
If I were you those are the colours that I would look at.
I think yellow and pink have a lot of potential and would get behind that either as a mod set or accent keys
Green could be good but not sure what to pair it with
Post by: kebby on Tue, 27 October 2015, 19:53:37
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 27 October 2015, 20:10:40
From the renders I get the feeling that this is more of an IMSTO black on dark grey style than Ivan's black on black for the alphas. I like it. Sure, I guess you could mix sets to get those alphas but then again it's not like these would be the only sets in the world with that "problem".I'm guessing there are still plenty of people who don't own a dark on dark set, and I've broken up the sets anyway to separate the alphas. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. :)
Post by: loud_asian on Tue, 27 October 2015, 20:50:40
Also I'm 90% sure that the blue and pink in this set are the same colors as the cyan and magenta in the CMYK and CMYW set, so if you're looking for in real life examples look for pics of those.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 27 October 2015, 21:38:48
Post by: shinigamiyuk on Tue, 27 October 2015, 21:43:30
Love that purple!
I started drolling..I need this in my life right now.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 27 October 2015, 22:56:00
Love that purple!
I started drolling..I need this in my life right now.
The gray just sets the purple off. Pink and green as well.
Post by: jaffers on Wed, 28 October 2015, 06:05:08
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 28 October 2015, 06:31:19
Yellow, purple and pink look cool. I don't really like the other ones. If I was going to get a set it would be yellow
I actually arranged the sets according to my personal preference. :thumb:
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 October 2015, 08:29:07
Post by: ramnes on Wed, 28 October 2015, 08:46:37
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 October 2015, 08:49:27
I would be in for at least one base set and three different colors of modifiers (red, orange, and green, maybe blue too).
Your pants should have deep pockets brother.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 28 October 2015, 08:51:00
I would be in for at least one base set and three different colors of modifiers (red, orange, and green, maybe blue too).
Your pants should have deep pockets brother.
Lol. All the colors look great with the base set. Better wear cargo pants.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 October 2015, 08:52:54
I would be in for at least one base set and three different colors of modifiers (red, orange, and green, maybe blue too).
Your pants should have deep pockets brother.
Lol. All the colors look great with the base set. Better wear cargo pants.
It would be advisable to wait for the quotations, before to commit. Just saying.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 28 October 2015, 08:56:06
I would be in for at least one base set and three different colors of modifiers (red, orange, and green, maybe blue too).
Your pants should have deep pockets brother.
Lol. All the colors look great with the base set. Better wear cargo pants.
It would be advisable to wait for the quotations, before to commit. Just saying.
I know, but the colors scream impulse buy!
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 October 2015, 09:00:07
I would be in for at least one base set and three different colors of modifiers (red, orange, and green, maybe blue too).
Your pants should have deep pockets brother.
Lol. All the colors look great with the base set. Better wear cargo pants.
It would be advisable to wait for the quotations, before to commit. Just saying.
I know, but the colors scream impulse buy!
You are showing potential as an actual GeekHacker, that's good, keep the spirit then.
Post by: t8c on Wed, 28 October 2015, 09:16:15
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 October 2015, 09:19:14
Can we get white mods like on this Commodore PC-10 board? -> http://i.imgur.com/nVUdFT2.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/nVUdFT2.jpg)
That board is awesome, the caps are in the traditional black on beige double shot combination. There have been some efforts to make a GMK replica in that color that were not successful unfortunately, for boring Joes like me, it is the finest combination ever.
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 28 October 2015, 09:53:18
Also, would this include numpad as well?
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 28 October 2015, 15:09:12
I reeeeeally like the blue/grey and the green/grey. I think the idea of alphas as main and then modifier add on packs is a great idea, although I'm not sure how it would work with GMK's MOQ. You may end up with getting the alphas through then diluting it too much with lots of coloured alphas.Yes it will include a numpad, at least a full layout hopefully. Also, it's not final that this will be GMK, I'll have to ask around.
Also, would this include numpad as well?
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 28 October 2015, 15:12:16
Can we get white mods like on this Commodore PC-10 board? -> http://i.imgur.com/nVUdFT2.jpgYes, but right now the idea is to choose the first colors according to the poll results, although I would like to eventually have most/all colors available as mods. :)
Post by: gabba-gool on Wed, 28 October 2015, 16:10:07
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 28 October 2015, 16:12:21
Green and gray combo looks so good. I wants it. I want too many things that I see on this site.
It only gets worse the longer you are here.
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 28 October 2015, 16:16:51
Green and gray combo looks so good. I wants it. I want too many things that I see on this site.
It only gets worse the longer you are here.
QFT
Post by: switchnollie on Wed, 28 October 2015, 20:33:10
Crazy thought I had when reading the title.
What if you did a set of escape and enter keys in these colors?
You would get interesting accent keys and real life examples of the colors.
I really like this idea, especially if ISO happens :D
Post by: logomachy on Thu, 29 October 2015, 20:25:59
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 31 October 2015, 01:40:52
Post by: loud_asian on Sat, 31 October 2015, 01:58:37
This will most likely not be GMK, so I updated the title.
Any idea for who will be manufacturing these?
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 31 October 2015, 17:16:01
This will most likely not be GMK, so I updated the title.
Any idea for who will be manufacturing these?
I can't really say at the moment, will update as soon as I have more info. I'm also not saying GMK is out, if we fallback to just the mods GMK is the very likely candidate, but at the moment I'm aiming for the alphas too.
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 31 October 2015, 18:04:30
I think going for someone like Signature Plastics would be a good bet, we have had a LOT of GMK buys over the last 6-12 months, and SP can do it for a very reasonable price, lower MOQs, and they don't compromise on the quality. Yes, It won't be quite as high a quality as GMK, but SP are a very good compromise.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 31 October 2015, 18:11:43
I would maybe change it to something like: "Dark alphas with coloured mods - Cherry Profile" because just "colors" doesn't really describe anything, and IMO it's a great looking product.
I think going for someone like Signature Plastics would be a good bet, we have had a LOT of GMK buys over the last 6-12 months, and SP can do it for a very reasonable price, lower MOQs, and they don't compromise on the quality. Yes, It won't be quite as high a quality as GMK, but SP are a very good compromise.
Good point about the name, I haven't really thought about a good one and went with a descriptive one initially (GMK Colors). I do have to mention the dark alphas somehow until I decide on a real name, thanks!
Regarding SP, they have their hands full at the moment so unless I go with DCS which a lot of people seem to dislike, this will just add to the several spherical sets already being made/planned.
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 31 October 2015, 18:42:40
I would maybe change it to something like: "Dark alphas with coloured mods - Cherry Profile" because just "colors" doesn't really describe anything, and IMO it's a great looking product.
I think going for someone like Signature Plastics would be a good bet, we have had a LOT of GMK buys over the last 6-12 months, and SP can do it for a very reasonable price, lower MOQs, and they don't compromise on the quality. Yes, It won't be quite as high a quality as GMK, but SP are a very good compromise.
Good point about the name, I haven't really thought about a good one and went with a descriptive one initially (GMK Colors). I do have to mention the dark alphas somehow until I decide on a real name, thanks!
Regarding SP, they have their hands full at the moment so unless I go with DCS which a lot of people seem to dislike, this will just add to the several spherical sets already being made/planned.
You don't have to think of a name, but yeah I guess it's a process :)
No way, we definitely need more Cherry profile sets. I do like DCS and SA, but you gotta go with Cherry. I'm not really sure who else there is, but I've not actually taken part in that many GBs.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 31 October 2015, 18:45:44
I would maybe change it to something like: "Dark alphas with coloured mods - Cherry Profile" because just "colors" doesn't really describe anything, and IMO it's a great looking product.
I think going for someone like Signature Plastics would be a good bet, we have had a LOT of GMK buys over the last 6-12 months, and SP can do it for a very reasonable price, lower MOQs, and they don't compromise on the quality. Yes, It won't be quite as high a quality as GMK, but SP are a very good compromise.
Good point about the name, I haven't really thought about a good one and went with a descriptive one initially (GMK Colors). I do have to mention the dark alphas somehow until I decide on a real name, thanks!
Regarding SP, they have their hands full at the moment so unless I go with DCS which a lot of people seem to dislike, this will just add to the several spherical sets already being made/planned.
You don't have to think of a name, but yeah I guess it's a process :)
No way, we definitely need more Cherry profile sets. I do like DCS and SA, but you gotta go with Cherry. I'm not really sure who else there is, but I've not actually taken part in that many GBs.
Great! I want this to be Cherry profile too, I'm asking around and will give an update when I can. :thumb:
Post by: ripwallet on Sat, 31 October 2015, 18:53:00
Post by: Geroximo on Sat, 31 October 2015, 18:55:16
I'm always down for cherry profiled mods, as long as they include ISO support and the price is right.
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 01 November 2015, 03:04:46
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 01 November 2015, 03:14:10
Maybe colored spacebars could lure some interest. Perhaps as standalone kit or as part of their respective mod kits' colors.Ahh yes, I did the 3D mockup before the 2D mockup which has colored space bars and gamer kits. :)
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 01 November 2015, 03:20:32
Do show us. ;)Maybe colored spacebars could lure some interest. Perhaps as standalone kit or as part of their respective mod kits' colors.Ahh yes, I did the 3D mockup before the 2D mockup which has colored space bars and gamer kits. :)
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 01 November 2015, 03:25:07
Do show us. ;)Maybe colored spacebars could lure some interest. Perhaps as standalone kit or as part of their respective mod kits' colors.Ahh yes, I did the 3D mockup before the 2D mockup which has colored space bars and gamer kits. :)
Here's a quick screencap! :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/cMLRAPc.png)
edit:
fixed hidden layers
edit edit:
wrong layers again
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 01 November 2015, 03:35:00
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 01 November 2015, 03:48:32
Now that red spacebar looks interesting. Any plan for 3D renders anytime soon?
Sure, I might upload one later. Not for every color though! :D
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 01 November 2015, 03:49:50
Can't wait.Now that red spacebar looks interesting. Any plan for 3D renders anytime soon?
Sure, I might upload one later. Not for every color though! :D
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 01 November 2015, 04:42:23
Can't wait.Now that red spacebar looks interesting. Any plan for 3D renders anytime soon?
Sure, I might upload one later. Not for every color though! :D
Yellow and Red with the mod and gamer kits.
(http://i.imgur.com/jY5qp1g.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ihHLAeO.png)
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 01 November 2015, 06:22:23
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 01 November 2015, 06:40:04
Hats off to your renders. Those spacebars look good.
Thanks!
I need help figuring out the best way to break up the sets, I hope you guys can share your thoughts. I understand too many options will dilute the set and endanger meeting the MOQ, but please note if this ever pushes through the initial run will be for two or three colors mods only.
On to some questions:
- Do the ISO guys need/want multi-colored Enter/mod keys?
- Should the numpad number keys be included in the alphas, or separated from everything?
- Should the gamer keys be included in one big kit with all the color options?
Here's the current 2D mockup:
(http://i.imgur.com/iHcPaSE.png)
Post by: lolpes on Sun, 01 November 2015, 07:09:15
Crazy thought I had when reading the title.
What if you did a set of escape and enter keys in these colors?
You would get interesting accent keys and real life examples of the colors.
Esc I think there are a ton of them right now but yeah more is never enough xD, Enter yes! basically the dream would be:
Mod pack for:
Enter
arrows
Enter and + for numpad
All in various colors :3
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 01 November 2015, 07:32:47
What I would do, is to split the GB into two separate ones. One for mods and one for alphas, although this might lead to problems with the numpad.
As for the mods, billnye's Electric Bluegaloo (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70595.0;topicseen) is simply the best example and advice you might seek. I would just replace the very first key with an Esc and add a 1u Backspace.
Also, I would leave the gamer kit out for a two main reasons: They have to match the mod kit so they are likely to end up in it and people would find themselves paying for it even if they don't want it. Secondly, a gamer kit is strictly QWERTY which wouldn't match international kits, if you plan any, such as AZERTY, let alone Dvorak or Colemak.
Lastly, if you're going for Alphas alone, check interest on international kits.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 01 November 2015, 07:53:31
Hats off to your renders. Those spacebars look good.
Thanks!
I need help figuring out the best way to break up the sets, I hope you guys can share your thoughts. I understand too many options will dilute the set and endanger meeting the MOQ, but please note if this ever pushes through the initial run will be for two or three colors mods only.
On to some questions:Here's the current 2D mockup:
- Do the ISO guys need/want multi-colored Enter/mod keys?
- Should the numpad number keys be included in the alphas, or separated from everything?
- Should the gamer keys be included in one big kit with all the color options?
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iHcPaSE.png)
The gamer kit should be a separated one coordinated with alphas, instead. Choose one to start a GB and to check the community interest. The color should go well with common sets like Beige and Black, as well as with Hyperfuse, Dolch and TA in order to get some market. The modifiers are complements not stand alone sets.
If it would be GMK the recent billnye has the hype up recently and yours may be very welcome, as a sort of rerun of Bluegaloo, however you should get some vendors getting some units to reach MoQ.
Post by: romevi on Sun, 01 November 2015, 07:58:23
First off, I don't have the knowledge, the time and the resources to organize a group buy, I never have and never will, so I'm not teaching anything to anyone here, just sharing my opinion if it's welcome.
What I would do, is to split the GB into two separate ones. One for mods and one for alphas, although this might lead to problems with the numpad.
As for the mods, billnye's Electric Bluegaloo (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70595.0;topicseen) is simply the best example and advice you might seek. I would just replace the very first key with an Esc and add a 1u Backspace.
Also, I would leave the gamer kit out for a two main reasons: They have to match the mod kit so they are likely to end up in it and people would find themselves paying for it even if they don't want it. Secondly, a gamer kit is strictly QWERTY which wouldn't match international kits, if you plan any, such as AZERTY, let alone Dvorak or Colemak.
Lastly, if you're going for Alphas alone, check interest on international kits.
The only things missing from Electric Bluegaloo that would make it perfect are the windowed caps. Otherwise, yeah, perfect.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 01 November 2015, 08:42:41
Post by: kebby on Sun, 01 November 2015, 19:33:24
- Do the ISO guys need/want multi-colored Enter/mod keys?
I'd say it's hard to go with no color on those since you'll be left with a gray enter and mismatched shift keys, doesn't really look that great... Even if offering ISO is still such a rarity that ISO users may settle for less in some cases.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 01 November 2015, 20:57:41
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 01 November 2015, 21:12:31
Purple and Grey would be the only keycap set I would ever need!It's the second most voted color in the poll. :)
Post by: ideus on Sun, 01 November 2015, 21:53:10
This will most likely not be GMK, so I updated the title.
If you are not going to try to source the sets from GMK it would be wise to remove the GMK sampler image from the OP; that, would confuse some people reading it for the first time.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 01 November 2015, 22:05:43
Okay sure, I left it because I based the colors off those swatches but you have a point.This will most likely not be GMK, so I updated the title.
If you are not going to try to source the sets from GMK it would be wise to remove the GMK sampler image from the OP; that, would confuse some people reading it for the first time.
Post by: clochette on Mon, 02 November 2015, 04:18:14
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 02 November 2015, 06:33:13
would prefer if it was by GMK though
I agree.
OP should put that into the poll as well.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 02 November 2015, 06:42:39
I'll probably let the current poll run a few more days, then choose the top colors and finalize the kits. After that I'll ask for quotes, I'm not sure if I can publicly share the prices and MOQ, if I can we'll probably have another poll to see who should make the sets (if factories are interested to make them).would prefer if it was by GMK though
I agree.
OP should put that into the poll as well.
Post by: just66in on Mon, 02 November 2015, 06:47:03
Yellow | Grey
I WANT!
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 02 November 2015, 06:51:08
Purple | GreyYou and me both, buddy :D
Yellow | Grey
I WANT!
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 02 November 2015, 14:10:03
(http://i.imgur.com/SQLrppt.png)
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 02 November 2015, 14:34:25
So I looked at billnye's Electric Blulegaloo, and he did it as one big mod pack. I updated the mockup, hopefully this is what you guys meant, since the poll is still open I haven't finalized which colors will be left and dropped (for the time being). I counted 47 keys for each color mod, if that helps.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SQLrppt.png)
Very cool, hoping to get a few colors to mix and match. I'm actually really liking the magenta and blue right now. Happy to see it's GMK as well, would the pricing be similar to billnye's mod pack?
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 02 November 2015, 14:46:05
Do you have a particular reason for having uppercase center-aligned legends? Cherry legends are capitalized and left-middle aligned.
Now my considerations are:
1u Backspace should have the icon (https://image.freepik.com/free-icon/backspace-outline_318-10630.jpg) rather than text legends.
1u Tab is something I have never seen, is there a reason for it?
You have two Esc keys. Do they differ?
You might want a 1.75u Right Shift for those who like the 1u Fn key to its right (which you should include)
As of now, the bottom row only allows one layout (1.25u mods and 6.25 spacebar). Many out there use 1.5 Ctrl and Alt with 1u Winkey or winkeyless.
In the alpha/numpad kit you might want to include a 1u zero and a 1u double zero.
Edit: In the mod kit include a colored pipe-backslash (http://www.wpclipart.com/computer/keyboard_keys/smaller_keys/computer_key_Pipe_Backslash.png) key as many users seek it for simmetry.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 02 November 2015, 14:57:40
It's getting a shape, but I have a few questions and considerations.
Do you have a particular reason for having uppercase center-aligned legends? Cherry legends are capitalized and left-middle aligned.
Now my considerations are:
1u Backspace should have the icon (https://image.freepik.com/free-icon/backspace-outline_318-10630.jpg) rather than text legends.
1u Tab is something I have never seen, is there a reason for it?
You have two Esc keys. Do they differ?
You might want a 1.75u Right Shift for those who like the 1u Fn key to its right (which you should include)
As of now, the bottom row only allows one layout (1.25u mods and 6.25 spacebar). Many out there use 1.5 Ctrl and Alt with 1u Winkey or winkeyless.
In the alpha/numpad kit you might want to include a 1u zero and a 1u double zero.
Oh yes, I'm always neglecting those legends as I focused on getting the correct kits. The two esc keys are for the alt numpad cluster layouts, but maybe I should get rid of that. I apologize I'm not very familiar with alternate keyboard layouts, thank you for the corrections! I'll try to fix those this weekend, or maybe one of these days. :thumb:
So I looked at billnye's Electric Blulegaloo, and he did it as one big mod pack. I updated the mockup, hopefully this is what you guys meant, since the poll is still open I haven't finalized which colors will be left and dropped (for the time being). I counted 47 keys for each color mod, if that helps.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SQLrppt.png)
Very cool, hoping to get a few colors to mix and match. I'm actually really liking the magenta and blue right now. Happy to see it's GMK as well, would the pricing be similar to billnye's mod pack?
It's not decided which factory will make these, I'll have to find a balance in pricing and quality, especially considering the MOQ requirements of GMK.
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 02 November 2015, 15:14:52
I'm not very familiar with alternate keyboard layoutsA Tsangan kit (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Tsangan_kit) and a 1.75 Row 3 Control (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Anti-caps_lock_kit) key should suffice.
Post by: mrgoldenzombie on Mon, 02 November 2015, 15:49:14
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 02 November 2015, 16:13:24
I'd like to know if people with standard layouts are fine with subsidizing these alternate layouts, is it widespread enough to consider adding to the kits?I'm not very familiar with alternate keyboard layoutsA Tsangan kit (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Tsangan_kit) and a 1.75 Row 3 Control (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Anti-caps_lock_kit) key should suffice.
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 02 November 2015, 16:18:01
They are usually sold as separate kits, for what I've seen.I'd like to know if people with standard layouts are fine with subsidizing these alternate layouts, is it widespread enough to consider adding to the kits?I'm not very familiar with alternate keyboard layoutsA Tsangan kit (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Tsangan_kit) and a 1.75 Row 3 Control (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Anti-caps_lock_kit) key should suffice.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 02 November 2015, 16:20:04
I see, will add those to the mockup as a separate kit.They are usually sold as separate kits, for what I've seen.I'd like to know if people with standard layouts are fine with subsidizing these alternate layouts, is it widespread enough to consider adding to the kits?I'm not very familiar with alternate keyboard layoutsA Tsangan kit (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Tsangan_kit) and a 1.75 Row 3 Control (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Anti-caps_lock_kit) key should suffice.
Thanks a lot for the suggestions by the way, really helps a lot
I should probably consider windowed caps too... just a thought.
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 02 November 2015, 16:26:10
I see, will add those to the mockup as a separate kit.You should, you really should. Your renders are so realistic that keycaps feel real. I bet it's time consuming to draw those mockups but that's how you get people attention.
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 02 November 2015, 16:27:38
I should probably consider windowed caps tooI would buy them. Especially if you can get them doubleshot or dye sublimated.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 02 November 2015, 16:28:05
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 02 November 2015, 17:04:35
It is a shame this would not be GMK made, but I hope that your GB be fully successful.I'll still be asking for quotes and MOQ from GMK if possible.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 02 November 2015, 17:22:48
It is a shame this would not be GMK made, but I hope that your GB be fully successful.I'll still be asking for quotes and MOQ from GMK if possible.
Aw, well, thank you for trying, there is still hope then.
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 02 November 2015, 17:25:37
If MOQ is not an issue, such as with SP group buys, then those kits are separate add-ons.
Looking forward to what you can do! :thumb:
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 03 November 2015, 07:20:01
(http://i.imgur.com/pUzSZrS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/iQyD2jx.png)
edit:
added a closeup of the mockup
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 03 November 2015, 07:59:19
Updated the legendsNice, though a few things.
Your numpad is upside down.
Really no need for F5-F8 in the alphas since they are being included in the mod kit.
Pipe-Backslash should have a colored alternative (in the mod kit).
Numpad Enter usually has just text and it has no Return symbol.
Numpad plus is still center aligned. It should aligned to the left.
This is a 2D render so I assume "Sys Rq" and "Break" are gonna be printed to the side of their respective keys (PrtSc and Pause)
Pg Up and Pg Dn, shouldn't have a space, i.e. they should read "PgUp" and "PgDn".
The Winkey symbol should be also left aligned.
Some people prefer having Ctrl as legend instead of Control. You might wanna include both.
If you're going for international kits, you might want to change the numpad legends to symbols to reduce the number of total keycaps.
Maybe include a RC Control keycap?
Purple mod kit might look better with white legends.
That's it for now. Keep up the good work.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:21:59
Post by: ideus on Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:59:45
I'd love a stepped Caps Lock if possible.
Is there another type of caps lock?
:))
My board is build to get stepped caps lock, only. I cannot use centered stem ones.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:28:21
Updated the legendsNice, though a few things.
Your numpad is upside down.
Really no need for F5-F8 in the alphas since they are being included in the mod kit.
Pipe-Backslash should have a colored alternative (in the mod kit).
Numpad Enter usually has just text and it has no Return symbol.
Numpad plus is still center aligned. It should aligned to the left.
This is a 2D render so I assume "Sys Rq" and "Break" are gonna be printed to the side of their respective keys (PrtSc and Pause)
Pg Up and Pg Dn, shouldn't have a space, i.e. they should read "PgUp" and "PgDn".
The Winkey symbol should be also left aligned.
Some people prefer having Ctrl as legend instead of Control. You might wanna include both.
If you're going for international kits, you might want to change the numpad legends to symbols to reduce the number of total keycaps.
Maybe include a RC Control keycap?
Purple mod kit might look better with white legends.
That's it for now. Keep up the good work.
Oh wow, I've only been using a TKL for a couple of months and I already forgot what a numpad looks like. :))
You have a point about the F5-F8 keys, some people might like them but I think I'll just remove those.
About the "Page" keys and Win key and your other comments, I just based them off Hyperfuse's mockup here, I'll try to Google actual keyboard pics: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.1750 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.1750)
What's an RC Control cap? Oh, and I'm not going to change legend colors, sorry... and there are already color mods that usually come with white legends.
Thank you for your help!
Post by: pyrolovesmoney on Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:30:08
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:54:19
I would be super interested in that red and grey. is there any chance that these would get made for lovers of backlighting??
I guess if Vortex makes them, yeah there's a possibility, not sure about the others like GMK.
Pipe-Backslash should have a colored alternative (in the mod kit).
Should the Tilde key have a colored alternative too?
Post by: romevi on Tue, 03 November 2015, 17:46:44
Eww... Who puts tildes and backslash as mod colors? Gross.I would be super interested in that red and grey. is there any chance that these would get made for lovers of backlighting??
I guess if Vortex makes them, yeah there's a possibility, not sure about the others like GMK.Pipe-Backslash should have a colored alternative (in the mod kit).
Should the Tilde key have a colored alternative too?
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 03 November 2015, 17:48:01
Wouldn't it be weird to have a colored pipe key but not a colored tilde key?Eww... Who puts tildes and backslash as mod colors? Gross.I would be super interested in that red and grey. is there any chance that these would get made for lovers of backlighting??
I guess if Vortex makes them, yeah there's a possibility, not sure about the others like GMK.Pipe-Backslash should have a colored alternative (in the mod kit).
Should the Tilde key have a colored alternative too?
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 03 November 2015, 17:51:09
What's an RC Control cap?An alternative keycap to Caps Lock, which is Row C (RC) or Row 3 in other standards, with the legend "Control". This example (http://i.imgur.com/DvVhjIJ.png) explains it better. Look at R3, you see Caps Lock and Control as alternative keycap.
I'm not going to change legend colorsThat's fine, that was just and idea.
Should the Tilde key have a colored alternative too?Yeah, I think so, for fullsize or TKL keyboards' simmetry.
I don't know yet if you're planning international kits, but bear in mind that the Tilde is strictly ANSI, other layouts have a different key in that place.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 03 November 2015, 17:52:27
I see... I'll consider those points. Thanks :)What's an RC Control cap?An alternative keycap to Caps Lock, which is Row C (RC) or Row 3 in other standards, with the legend "Control". This example (http://i.imgur.com/DvVhjIJ.png) explains it better. Look at R3, you see Caps Lock and Control as alternative keycap.I'm not going to change legend colorsThat's fine, that was just and idea.Should the Tilde key have a colored alternative too?Yeah, I think so, for fullsize or TKL keyboards' simmetry.
I don't know yet if you're planning international kits, but bear in mind that the Tilde is strictly ANSI, other layouts have a different key in that place.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 03 November 2015, 18:02:13
It's weird to have them both colored!Wouldn't it be weird to have a colored pipe key but not a colored tilde key?Eww... Who puts tildes and backslash as mod colors? Gross.I would be super interested in that red and grey. is there any chance that these would get made for lovers of backlighting??
I guess if Vortex makes them, yeah there's a possibility, not sure about the others like GMK.Pipe-Backslash should have a colored alternative (in the mod kit).
Should the Tilde key have a colored alternative too?
But, alas, some people like them and so they're usually default in custom sets.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 03 November 2015, 20:28:26
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 01 January 2016, 23:35:03
(http://i.imgur.com/1pHDxS2.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/fn36SMm.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/hGnnO31.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/aNqgyAq.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/vbLVt7F.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/z4ikJzJ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/EPNsX1q.png)
edit: Might as well add this:
(http://i.imgur.com/BBJz8pX.png)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 01 January 2016, 23:38:40
Post by: slickmamba on Fri, 01 January 2016, 23:44:30
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 01 January 2016, 23:47:17
like others have said, some of these alphas are already made, your best bet is probably to make some mods like we've been seeing recently
Yes I understand, it's easier for me to render the whole thing with the alphas (I'm lazy these days). Like what has been suggested this might become a mod pack, but nothing is finalized. There really is no theme here, just a simple base set with interchangeable mods. :)
Post by: mrboovn on Sat, 02 January 2016, 00:08:18
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 02 January 2016, 02:47:37
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EPNsX1q.png)
Ughhh.. I want that as a full set!
Post by: ideus on Sat, 02 January 2016, 10:38:49
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 02 January 2016, 11:38:12
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 02 January 2016, 17:13:24
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 02 January 2016, 22:08:12
(http://i.imgur.com/GClApiM.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/2RiTUQK.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/AyeTrtR.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/jAoS8EG.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Qx3DlXh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/1Uaruxb.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/kmnjgXc.png)
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 03 January 2016, 03:59:58
Although "carbon" alphas would match great with the black mods with colored legends. Give it a go.
Also, on a side note, legends for the app and win keys should be left aligned as well.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 03 January 2016, 04:38:27
In my opinion, contrast is too high.
Although "carbon" alphas would match great with the black mods with colored legends. Give it a go.
Also, on a side note, legends for the app and win keys should be left aligned as well.
Thanks, but legend alignments are confusing, most Cherry profile sets I see online have the win and app key centered.
Post by: xondat on Sun, 03 January 2016, 10:01:41
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 03 January 2016, 10:08:27
Post by: KoalaKaiser on Sun, 03 January 2016, 10:19:37
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 03 January 2016, 10:47:19
You should definitely do the alphas and the mods as separate kits. That way some of us can buy one or two sets of alphas and like a million mods
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 03 January 2016, 18:32:06
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/-Community-Which-modifier-colors-are-you-most-interested-in (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/-Community-Which-modifier-colors-are-you-most-interested-in)
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 03 January 2016, 18:36:01
Started a Massdrop poll, I hope I did it correctly. :))
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/-Community-Which-modifier-colors-are-you-most-interested-in (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/-Community-Which-modifier-colors-are-you-most-interested-in)
I wonder how long it'll be before another user adds a Corsair board or an unobtainable set into the voting mix, it seems to happen for most polls. :p
I sent my votes in! :thumb:
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 03 January 2016, 18:38:23
Started a Massdrop poll, I hope I did it correctly. :))
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/-Community-Which-modifier-colors-are-you-most-interested-in (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/-Community-Which-modifier-colors-are-you-most-interested-in)
I wonder how long it'll be before another user adds a Corsair board or an unobtainable set into the voting mix, it seems to happen for most polls. :p
I sent my votes in! :thumb:
Haha yes, I'm expecting Penumbra, Carbon or some other set to show up :D
Post by: qwack on Sun, 03 January 2016, 19:42:25
Will people prefer colored caps, or colored legends on dark modifier?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1pHDxS2.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fn36SMm.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hGnnO31.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aNqgyAq.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vbLVt7F.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z4ikJzJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EPNsX1q.png)
edit: Might as well add this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BBJz8pX.png)
I'd get purple and cyan in a heartbeat. I prefer colored legends on dark mods, but I may be in the minority.
Post by: justnits on Sun, 03 January 2016, 21:00:12
Will people prefer colored caps, or colored legends on dark modifier?
I'd get purple and cyan in a heartbeat. I prefer colored legends on dark mods, but I may be in the minority.
i'm in the same boat as you, i prefer the dark legend on light alpha + colour legends on dark mods.
but to thesiscamper, i haven't been able to go through thoroughly on the whole thread, why not colour legends on dark alpha?
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 03 January 2016, 21:31:11
i'm in the same boat as you, i prefer the dark legend on light alpha + colour legends on dark mods.
but to thesiscamper, i haven't been able to go through thoroughly on the whole thread, why not colour legends on dark alpha?
Because of similarities with existing sets... I will try to ask Bunny and others like Karura.
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 03 January 2016, 21:39:33
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 03 January 2016, 22:02:14
Lol you guys got the quoting all messed up nowLol, I blame Tapatalk.
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 04 January 2016, 00:38:59
Let's make 2016 another creative year with the community having a larger color palette.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 04 January 2016, 01:07:38
Man some you men out here are afraid of some pink. Every color on here has been beaten to death except purple, cyan, and pink.
Let's make 2016 another creative year with the community having a larger color palette.
I'm definitely in for purple and cyan, in fact my only other vote was for red.
Post by: Data on Tue, 05 January 2016, 15:54:54
Post by: lashiel on Tue, 05 January 2016, 17:32:41
I definitely like the look of some of these.
I'm also curious (more in a theoretical sense) what might "Color" novelties look like? Obviously novelties aren't an option with GMK, but if you did SP DCS, it might be fun to toy around with. That said, I get this is supposed to be a simpler set, so maybe better to just not deal with that.
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 05 January 2016, 17:51:33
Have you considered gamer kits?
I definitely like the look of some of these.
I'm also curious (more in a theoretical sense) what might "Color" novelties look like? Obviously novelties aren't an option with GMK, but if you did SP DCS, it might be fun to toy around with. That said, I get this is supposed to be a simpler set, so maybe better to just not deal with that.
This meant for the GMK modifiers, no gamer kits or novelties.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 05 January 2016, 21:16:37
Have you considered gamer kits?
I definitely like the look of some of these.
I'm also curious (more in a theoretical sense) what might "Color" novelties look like? Obviously novelties aren't an option with GMK, but if you did SP DCS, it might be fun to toy around with. That said, I get this is supposed to be a simpler set, so maybe better to just not deal with that.
The initial plan includes gamer kits, but no novelties.
Have you considered gamer kits?
I definitely like the look of some of these.
I'm also curious (more in a theoretical sense) what might "Color" novelties look like? Obviously novelties aren't an option with GMK, but if you did SP DCS, it might be fun to toy around with. That said, I get this is supposed to be a simpler set, so maybe better to just not deal with that.
This meant for the GMK modifiers, no gamer kits or novelties.
I want these to be Cherry profile but not specifically by GMK, although I based the colors off their swatches. Nothing's set in stone and I'm exploring all options. :)
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 05 January 2016, 21:22:52
Have you considered gamer kits?
I definitely like the look of some of these.
I'm also curious (more in a theoretical sense) what might "Color" novelties look like? Obviously novelties aren't an option with GMK, but if you did SP DCS, it might be fun to toy around with. That said, I get this is supposed to be a simpler set, so maybe better to just not deal with that.
This meant for the GMK modifiers, no gamer kits or novelties.
I want these to be Cherry profile but not specifically by GMK, although I based the colors off their swatches. Nothing's set in stone and I'm exploring all options. :)
Err yeah I just meant Cherry profile, he's been asking for DCS in multiple threads. Also I so absolutely no value in gamer kits or novelties considering people are interested in this for the fact that they can mix and match with other sets.
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 05 January 2016, 21:31:56
I figured as much but wanted to clarify for the others who might expect this to be GMK. If the gamer kit won't add significantly to the prices I might just add them, it's only 4 keys, or I might add them to an extra pack with spacebars.Have you considered gamer kits?
I definitely like the look of some of these.
I'm also curious (more in a theoretical sense) what might "Color" novelties look like? Obviously novelties aren't an option with GMK, but if you did SP DCS, it might be fun to toy around with. That said, I get this is supposed to be a simpler set, so maybe better to just not deal with that.
This meant for the GMK modifiers, no gamer kits or novelties.
I want these to be Cherry profile but not specifically by GMK, although I based the colors off their swatches. Nothing's set in stone and I'm exploring all options. :)
Err yeah I just meant Cherry profile, he's been asking for DCS in multiple threads. Also I so absolutely no value in gamer kits or novelties considering people are interested in this for the fact that they can mix and match with other sets.
Simplicity is key, so I'd like to know what others think.
Post by: lashiel on Wed, 06 January 2016, 02:41:25
Have you considered gamer kits?
I definitely like the look of some of these.
I'm also curious (more in a theoretical sense) what might "Color" novelties look like? Obviously novelties aren't an option with GMK, but if you did SP DCS, it might be fun to toy around with. That said, I get this is supposed to be a simpler set, so maybe better to just not deal with that.
This meant for the GMK modifiers, no gamer kits or novelties.
As thesis said, I think it's pretty clear upon reading the thread that nothing is set in stone :)
As I said in my post, I was merely raising the possibility. I don't claim that the set needs, or even that I need those options. I was just curious if they had been considered. Particularly in regards to novelties, I'm tickled by thinking about what a novelty for a concept which is literally "Colors" would even be--even if such a thing never sees the light of day.
If I'm perfectly honest, I too prefer GMK over an option like DCS.
Regardless, I think this is a neat idea, and I look forward to seeing it develop more.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 06 January 2016, 03:18:42
As thesis said, I think it's pretty clear upon reading the thread that nothing is set in stone :)
As I said in my post, I was merely raising the possibility. I don't claim that the set needs, or even that I need those options. I was just curious if they had been considered. Particularly in regards to novelties, I'm tickled by thinking about what a novelty for a concept which is literally "Colors" would even be--even if such a thing never sees the light of day.
If I'm perfectly honest, I too prefer GMK over an option like DCS.
Regardless, I think this is a neat idea, and I look forward to seeing it develop more.
I made mockups for gamer keys in the early stages of the IC, and after checking them out again I have to say I'm not a fan. :))
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 06 January 2016, 04:04:19
Post by: lashiel on Wed, 06 January 2016, 11:18:17
As thesis said, I think it's pretty clear upon reading the thread that nothing is set in stone :)
As I said in my post, I was merely raising the possibility. I don't claim that the set needs, or even that I need those options. I was just curious if they had been considered. Particularly in regards to novelties, I'm tickled by thinking about what a novelty for a concept which is literally "Colors" would even be--even if such a thing never sees the light of day.
If I'm perfectly honest, I too prefer GMK over an option like DCS.
Regardless, I think this is a neat idea, and I look forward to seeing it develop more.
I made mockups for gamer keys in the early stages of the IC, and after checking them out again I have to say I'm not a fan. :))
Entirely fair. I'd be curious to see what they look like, if you still have renders? You could PM me :p
But yeah, I can actually see how they might not work.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 06 January 2016, 16:16:19
We're talking about WASD keys right? There's a couple of mockups in the first post, purple and yellow. :)As thesis said, I think it's pretty clear upon reading the thread that nothing is set in stone :)
As I said in my post, I was merely raising the possibility. I don't claim that the set needs, or even that I need those options. I was just curious if they had been considered. Particularly in regards to novelties, I'm tickled by thinking about what a novelty for a concept which is literally "Colors" would even be--even if such a thing never sees the light of day.
If I'm perfectly honest, I too prefer GMK over an option like DCS.
Regardless, I think this is a neat idea, and I look forward to seeing it develop more.
I made mockups for gamer keys in the early stages of the IC, and after checking them out again I have to say I'm not a fan. :))
Entirely fair. I'd be curious to see what they look like, if you still have renders? You could PM me
But yeah, I can actually see how they might not work.
Post by: lashiel on Wed, 06 January 2016, 17:31:07
Yeah, I dunno, I could go either way on those. I like the idea of a splash of color in the alphas, but I can also see it looking super weird.
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 06 January 2016, 18:08:15
So as it turns out, I'm apparently blind.
Yeah, I dunno, I could go either way on those. I like the idea of a splash of color in the alphas, but I can also see it looking super weird.
Here's the album, I have renders with gamer keys with the full TKL in view, and colored spacerbars as well: http://imgur.com/a/e5fI6
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 08 January 2016, 05:15:19
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 08 January 2016, 05:32:05
We reached 200 votes on Massdrop! Apparently, you can vote for three options but only one vote counts, which would mean 202 people actually voted. I though it was maybe 70 or 80 people that voted for three options. A nice surprise, especially since I didn't really post new threads for the poll. :)I don't dare to ask renders for the Tsangan kits, but are those planned as well?
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 08 January 2016, 06:16:43
Ahh yes, the kits. I'll probably make a poll to gauge interests for kits. :)We reached 200 votes on Massdrop! Apparently, you can vote for three options but only one vote counts, which would mean 202 people actually voted. I though it was maybe 70 or 80 people that voted for three options. A nice surprise, especially since I didn't really post new threads for the poll. :)I don't dare to ask renders for the Tsangan kits, but are those planned as well?
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 06 March 2016, 15:08:45
I included a red mockup, these are the two most popular colors according to the Massdrop poll.
(http://i.imgur.com/9O42HoP.png)
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 06 March 2016, 15:19:43
Post by: Lepidus on Sun, 06 March 2016, 15:20:18
I have an updated mockup, Massdrop is in talks with a manufacturer, but due to MOQ limitations the set will be limited to one color (most probably cyan from the poll results), with high MOQ. I will have to ask if we can have extra keys, like maybe Mac (Command and Option). This will be PBT dyesubed, with Helvetica font, in what is probably known as step scuplture 2 profile.
I included a red mockup, these are the two most popular colors according to the Massdrop poll.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9O42HoP.png)
Varmilo keycaps?
Post by: thesiscamper on Sun, 06 March 2016, 17:17:56
The IC is for the entire set or just the mods?It's for the entire set.
@Lepidus yes.
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 07 March 2016, 07:26:43
May I suggest? Run it separately. Alphas are identical in both set, let people choose wheter to buy 2 sets of alphas and each of the mods, one set of alphas and both mods or mods alone.The IC is for the entire set or just the mods?It's for the entire set.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 07 March 2016, 07:30:35
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 07 March 2016, 07:32:19
Only one set is going to runI know, I was trying to be persuasive about the other mods set.
Pretty please? ;D
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 07 March 2016, 07:42:24
Only one set is going to runI know, I was trying to be persuasive about the other mods set.
Pretty please? ;D
I was on mobile earlier and made it short. Anyway, the custom colors demand a high MOQ which is why we're only going to run one color for now. I don't think a mod kit of a single color (with high MOQ) is that desirable, and I'm not sure if a lot of people (outside of geekhack) already own low profile, dyesubbed PBT sets. I imagine Massdrop knows a lot more about this stuff and their target market than me.
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 07 March 2016, 08:00:03
the custom colors demand a high MOQWhich color is actually custom in this set?
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 07 March 2016, 08:02:34
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 07 March 2016, 08:14:17
The mods, all of them. At least for the manufacturer who agreed to do them.So it's not GMK, is it?
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 07 March 2016, 08:16:02
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 07 March 2016, 08:23:21
No it's not, it's PBT dyesubbed.Interesting. Do you have a quote for the price?
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 07 March 2016, 08:41:37
Post by: ideus on Mon, 07 March 2016, 08:51:52
Not yet, and I can't really communicate with the manufacturer, language barrier...
It should be a Chinese one.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 07 March 2016, 09:31:24
Post by: evangs on Mon, 07 March 2016, 10:17:35
Post by: Suembeaux on Fri, 11 March 2016, 22:40:47
I personally prefer PBT dye-sub, so you totally have my support there. I would most likely buy one full set and another mod set in a different color.
I would also DEFINITELY buy an ESC pack with one of every color. An "enter" pack would be awesome as well.
Post by: popkorn62 on Sat, 12 March 2016, 02:04:05
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 12 March 2016, 02:58:04
Interested in the mods for sure. Would these be in Cherry profile, and if they are what company would be producing them? Vortex? JTK? EnjoyPBT?
I personally prefer PBT dye-sub, so you totally have my support there. I would most likely buy one full set and another mod set in a different color.
I would also DEFINITELY buy an ESC pack with one of every color. An "enter" pack would be awesome as well.
I will probably grab hella of these
Sorry, but the current plan is just 1 set for now, probably the Cyan set based on the poll. MOQ is too high from what I'm told. I'll discuss with Massdrop our options and how to proceed. Nothing is set in stone, so I'm not giving out details as they might still change. Thanks! :)
Post by: garoti on Sat, 12 March 2016, 05:13:04
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:48:22
Will people prefer colored caps, or colored legends on dark modifier?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1pHDxS2.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fn36SMm.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hGnnO31.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aNqgyAq.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vbLVt7F.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z4ikJzJ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EPNsX1q.png)
edit: Might as well add this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BBJz8pX.png)
Definitely prefer the colored legends on dark mods.
Would be all over those first three.
Especially cyan! <3<3
Post by: yinzer on Sat, 02 April 2016, 17:44:52
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 02 April 2016, 18:21:39
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 02 April 2016, 18:33:40
This seems to be in pretty advanced stages for an interest check, but I'd love to see an Ergodox modifier set like this at some point in the future. It'd be great to finally have the option for cherry profile keys for dox users.
PBT dyesubbed version will probably be the first one to be made. Also, because of the custom nature of ErgoDox layouts, blanks is usually the way to go, but maybe keys with default legends/profiles and a pack of blanks is doable (except it all depends on the pricing again). Splitting kits also introduce the problem of MOQ for the individual child deals.
I'm really loving the color-on-black mods, would be great for mixing with og cherry alphas.
There's no commitment, but I've talked to people and even if it won't be soon, I expect it will be made (double-shot version). :thumb:
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 02 April 2016, 18:35:04
I'm really loving the color-on-black mods, would be great for mixing with og cherry alphas.
There's no commitment, but I've talked to people and even if it won't be soon, I expect it will be made (double-shot version). :thumb:
Oooh, didn't realize you were shooting for dyesub. I'm sure those would easily moq as a modifier pack in doubleshot though.
Post by: thesiscamper on Sat, 02 April 2016, 18:38:01
Oooh, didn't realize you were shooting for dyesub. I'm sure those would easily moq as a modifier pack in doubleshot though.
It just so happened that PBT dye-sub will most likely be made sooner, and I should really finalize that one soon.
Post by: thesiscamper on Fri, 15 April 2016, 11:52:29
(http://i.imgur.com/zSiFjFk.png)
Post by: Suembeaux on Mon, 18 April 2016, 00:28:47
Updating mock-up:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zSiFjFk.png)
This looks great, I'm definitely still interested in this. Keep us updated!
Post by: FLFisherman on Mon, 18 April 2016, 07:22:32
Updating mock-up:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zSiFjFk.png)
This looks great, I'm definitely still interested in this. Keep us updated!
That is a beautiful blue!
Post by: ideus on Mon, 18 April 2016, 16:48:14
Updating mock-up:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zSiFjFk.png)
That looks like Bluegaloo with black legends.
(http://i.imgur.com/dtbekx8.jpg)
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 18 April 2016, 17:39:20
I did a poll with all the colors in the OP, and people wanted the cyan. Even the other variants I showed looked like hyperfuse or some other sets.Updating mock-up:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zSiFjFk.png)
That looks like Bluegaloo with black legends.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dtbekx8.jpg)
People want cyan, it's got nothing to do with other sets.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 18 April 2016, 18:21:17
I did a poll with all the colors in the OP, and people wanted the cyan. Even the other variants I showed looked like hyperfuse or some other sets.Updating mock-up:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zSiFjFk.png)
That looks like Bluegaloo with black legends.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dtbekx8.jpg)
People want cyan, it's got nothing to do with other sets.
It was just an statement about a fact, that's all, nothing against your buy, though. I like that color, however, I am not sure if I want another set in the same base color, but that is just an old fart's preference so it means nothing.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 18 April 2016, 18:32:18
Post by: romevi on Mon, 25 April 2016, 08:24:43
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 25 April 2016, 08:37:27
Is this the same set that just popped up on Massdrop?
Oh, yeah it is. I know it was going to drop but I thought it will be tomorrow.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 25 April 2016, 08:38:41
Is this the same set that just popped up on Massdrop?
Oh, yeah it is. I know it was going to drop but I thought it will be tomorrow.
Ah, okay. Can you confirm that it won't include the stepped Caps Lock? Not sure whether you already addressed that, but I noticed it doesn't show in the mockup.
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 25 April 2016, 08:44:04
Is this the same set that just popped up on Massdrop?
Oh, yeah it is. I know it was going to drop but I thought it will be tomorrow.
Ah, okay. Can you confirm that it won't include the stepped Caps Lock? Not sure whether you already addressed that, but I noticed it doesn't show in the mockup.
It won't, this had to be very simple because of the MOQ since it uses custom colors. Also, I'm not sure but I don't think Varmilo has molds for it.
Post by: Suembeaux on Tue, 26 April 2016, 01:56:29
Post by: thesiscamper on Tue, 26 April 2016, 02:40:11
Is there any chance of any price drops past the 100 MOQ? I was under the impression that it was going to be a modifier set, and not a full set. I love the colors, and Varmilo's profile, but the price is a bit steep.Hi, I'm not really sure but I don't expect it. Like I said in the discussion page, this is a proof of concept with a new vendor so options and support for other layouts might depend on how this drop goes. I decided against doing just the mods, since we can't provide other colors anyway. I imagine if we did that, the complaints will be "how am I supposed to use this I don't have a low profile set".
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Post by: Suembeaux on Tue, 26 April 2016, 23:07:50
Is there any chance of any price drops past the 100 MOQ? I was under the impression that it was going to be a modifier set, and not a full set. I love the colors, and Varmilo's profile, but the price is a bit steep.Hi, I'm not really sure but I don't expect it. Like I said in the discussion page, this is a proof of concept with a new vendor so options and support for other layouts might depend on how this drop goes. I decided against doing just the mods, since we can't provide other colors anyway. I imagine if we did that, the complaints will be "how am I supposed to use this I don't have a low profile set".
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Yeah, I can see those complaints as well. I will have to consider it more, I hope it hits MOQ. One last question, Varmilo's dye-sub font does not look anything like the renders, are they going to use the font they have used in the past, or are they developing a more GMK style font for these?
Varmilo font:
(http://i.imgur.com/5OmVPii.jpg)
Post by: thesiscamper on Wed, 27 April 2016, 07:40:16
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