Post by: romevi on Sun, 06 December 2015, 23:49:47
The standard universal American dialect with no accent, the one used in most automated voice recordings and such, is taken from somewhere in Ohio.
Post by: E3E on Mon, 07 December 2015, 02:56:38
The standard universal American dialect with no accent, the one used in most automated voice recordings and such, is taken from somewhere in Ohio.
I thought that was Iowa.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:03:56
The standard universal American dialect with no accent, the one used in most automated voice recordings and such, is taken from somewhere in Ohio.
I thought that was Iowa.
praise be to E3E the only other person posting on geekhack at this hour. Sorry I don't even know what thread this is I'm so tired.
Post by: axtran on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:08:25
The standard universal American dialect with no accent, the one used in most automated voice recordings and such, is taken from somewhere in Ohio.
I thought that was Iowa.
Yeah Iowa or Nebraska, I thought too.
Post by: E3E on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:09:44
The standard universal American dialect with no accent, the one used in most automated voice recordings and such, is taken from somewhere in Ohio.
I thought that was Iowa.
praise be to E3E the only other person posting on geekhack at this hour. Sorry I don't even know what thread this is I'm so tired.
Pff, Trenza. True E3Es only post at night. The E3E that posts during the day time is a fake. ;)
Post by: ika on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:18:50
Post by: E3E on Mon, 07 December 2015, 03:38:17
Drew Carey's from Ohio. I always thought the "broadcasting" accent was an Ohio/midwestern accent too. It's probably all the same.
Yeah, it stretches out a bit. I have met some Ohioans that have that weird vowel shift that I've heard in people from Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas, That accent kind of stretches really far too. They're not all exactly the same, but they sound really similar to me.
The accents we have down here are really weird too, but I like em. :) Mine is, I don't know. I don't socialize enough so it's prrrroooobably a little less influenced by where I live. My mom, neighbors here, and people in this town have pretty strong accents. Mom's got that n'awlins accent. Neighbors have some interesting accent that's more rural, but yeah.
The people you hear that sound like Southerners here with that twang... Usually aren't from New Orleans. :P
Post by: romevi on Mon, 07 December 2015, 07:30:31
Drew Carey's from Ohio. I always thought the "broadcasting" accent was an Ohio/midwestern accent too. It's probably all the same.
Yeah, it stretches out a bit. I have met some Ohioans that have that weird vowel shift that I've heard in people from Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas, That accent kind of stretches really far too. They're not all exactly the same, but they sound really similar to me.
The accents we have down here are really weird too, but I like em. :) Mine is, I don't know. I don't socialize enough so it's prrrroooobably a little less influenced by where I live. My mom, neighbors here, and people in this town have pretty strong accents. Mom's got that n'awlins accent. Neighbors have some interesting accent that's more rural, but yeah.
The people you hear that sound like Southerners here with that twang... Usually aren't from New Orleans.
I thought it was Ohio. I haven't looked it up in a while. I'll have to dig for more info.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 07 December 2015, 09:01:44
Yep we invented flight because it's the fastest way out of Ohio.
Ever saw this meme njbair? I feel that way like 50% of the time.
(http://i.imgur.com/W1jFm.jpg)
Drew Carey's from Ohio. I always thought the "broadcasting" accent was an Ohio/midwestern accent too. It's probably all the same.
The Ohio accents seem to be a toned down version of the Midwest accents. Like Iowa and Minnesota accent. What always gets me about living near Kentucky is their accents.
Post by: E3E on Mon, 07 December 2015, 09:08:05
Yep we invented flight because it's the fastest way out of Ohio.
Ever saw this meme njbair? I feel that way like 50% of the time.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/W1jFm.jpg)Drew Carey's from Ohio. I always thought the "broadcasting" accent was an Ohio/midwestern accent too. It's probably all the same.
The Ohio accents seem to be a toned down version of the Midwest accents. Like Iowa and Minnesota accent. What always gets me about living near Kentucky is their accents.
I have some friends from North KY that stay in Ohio now and they do have that trademark Southern drawl, maybe not as thick as some, but it's there. Then I have friends in Ohio that have that twang that sounds Southern, but in a weird way. Hahahaha. Oh my descriptions are golden. :-X
Post by: njbair on Mon, 07 December 2015, 12:14:15
I had not seen that meme before. But I've made that joke in the past when I first learned that statistic about Ohio and astronauts.Yep we invented flight because it's the fastest way out of Ohio.
Ever saw this meme njbair? I feel that way like 50% of the time.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/W1jFm.jpg)Drew Carey's from Ohio. I always thought the "broadcasting" accent was an Ohio/midwestern accent too. It's probably all the same.
The Ohio accents seem to be a toned down version of the Midwest accents. Like Iowa and Minnesota accent. What always gets me about living near Kentucky is their accents.
Honestly, though, Ohio is a great place to live. The worst "natural disaster" we have is snow. Also, no scorpions or killer bees. I guess we're so boring it makes people want to leave and do crazy things like go to space.
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 07 December 2015, 12:22:42
Also, no scorpions or killer bees.
*yet
Post by: E3E on Mon, 07 December 2015, 12:58:06
Post by: njbair on Mon, 07 December 2015, 15:07:55
They've tried migrating northward, they die in the winter.Also, no scorpions or killer bees.
*yet
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 07 December 2015, 15:47:08
I always thought the "broadcasting" accent was an Ohio/midwestern accent too. It's probably all the same.
smh. Not all Midwestern accents are the same, man! Minnesota and northern WI have a very distinct accent that SE WI does not have. I adopted the MN accent when I lived there. :-[ (I'm from SE WI and did not have this accent before)
The Ohio accents seem to be a toned down version of the Midwest accents. Like Iowa and Minnesota accent. What always gets me about living near Kentucky is their accents.
Oh ****, CPT just equated Iowa and MN. :eek: I think I just felt the entire state of MN twitch. :))
But seriously, IA doesn't really have the same accent. :P
Post by: E3E on Mon, 07 December 2015, 15:51:09
I always thought the "broadcasting" accent was an Ohio/midwestern accent too. It's probably all the same.
smh. Not all Midwestern accents are the same, man! Minnesota and northern WI have a very distinct accent that SE WI does not have. I adopted the MN accent when I lived there. :-[ (I'm from SE WI and did not have this accent before)The Ohio accents seem to be a toned down version of the Midwest accents. Like Iowa and Minnesota accent. What always gets me about living near Kentucky is their accents.
Oh ****, CPT just equated Iowa and MN. :eek: I think I just felt the entire state of MN twitch. :))
But seriously, IA doesn't really have the same accent. :P
Haha, generalizations happen when you aren't familiar with a region, I think. :P I'm sure a lot of people think everyone from the South sounds the same. There's a lot of characteristics I hear in Midwestern accents much like how there's a lot of defining characteristics for your typical Southern too.
The way people pronounce words with a long o sound in certain areas of the midwest always gets me, haha. It's like one of the most defining things that stand out to me.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 07 December 2015, 15:55:46
Oh, and Midwestern accents are not the same! Ever watch Fargo? That's rural Minnesota. Chicago has an annoying nasal accent which I'm glad I never adopted, and Wisconsin and the other "I"-states have their own regional accents. It seems Michigan and Ohio, for the most part, have a clear dialect. I'm sure, however, they have their own in different regions; I've just never heard them or heard of them.
Post by: E3E on Mon, 07 December 2015, 16:35:48
Looked it up. I guess General American is mostly Midwestern, but a lot of the broadcasters and automated recordings are from Michigan and Ohio.
Oh, and Midwestern accents are not the same! Ever watch Fargo? That's rural Minnesota. Chicago has an annoying nasal accent which I'm glad I never adopted, and Wisconsin and the other "I"-states have their own regional accents. It seems Michigan and Ohio, for the most part, have a clear dialect. I'm sure, however, they have their own in different regions; I've just never heard them or heard of them.
Yep. There's been several Michigan..ders? I've met down here, and I can always tell that they're from Michigan. It's a very distinct accent that I wouldn't exactly call clear. I've met a few people with very neutral accents though. Some from California, some from Indiana, some from Ohio (these days, there's a lot more neutral or ambiguous sounding accents that can be found, probably from the internet or a lot of travel), but there's always something they say that has a tell. I'm sure practically no one can escape their accent 100%.
I mean down here, a lot of people I know pronounce buffet as "boofey," which is still a correct pronunciation, just a less heard one. It wasn't until I hung out with a friend I made through an ex of mine in Georgia that she made fun of the way I said it.
Lol, I had no idea that was an odd pronunciation. I say it the typical way now. I refuse to call soda "pop" and I refuse to call apricot "ape re cot," lol. XD I love dialect and accent discussion.
Another interesting thing is when some people from other countries pick up either a British English accent or an American English accent. I know Chyros is Dutch, but his English is fantastic and his accent is more on the British side. I know another Dutch person who sounds American when he speaks English. It's all very intriguing. Of course that has to do more with what you learn and where you learn.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 07 December 2015, 16:46:22
I refuse to call soda "pop"
fite me irl
Another interesting thing is when some people from other countries pick up either a British English accent or an American English accent. I know Chyros is Dutch, but his English is fantastic and his accent is more on the British side. I know another Dutch person who sounds American when he speaks English. It's all very intriguing. Of course that has to do more with what you learn and where you learn.
I lived in London for half a year and didn't realize how much I picked up until I returned home. All of my friends remarked not only on the colloquialisms I used, but also how I phrased some of my sentences and inflected my questions.
We have a friend who was born and raised in Chicago and moved to North Carolina a few years ago. She now has a southern drawl; I didn't even know people from North Carolina had that strong a southern accent until we visited.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 07 December 2015, 17:02:02
Michigan..ders?
Michigander, yep. Michiganite is also technically correct, but you'd be hard pressed to hear a Michigander call themselves that. ;)
I refuse to call soda "pop"
Smart man. Calling a thing something that it is not is silly. :P
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 07 December 2015, 17:26:36
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 07 December 2015, 17:31:10
Should a mod split this OT banter into a new topic? Midwest Musings?
What off topic banter? We're in the Dialect Discussion thread!
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 17:33:51
Post by: romevi on Mon, 07 December 2015, 17:35:47
Midwest Musings?
More like "Midwest a Best," amirite?
Post by: BlueNalgene on Mon, 07 December 2015, 17:51:57
I have often heard that I "don't have an accent." This comes from both locals and outsiders. The expectation is that, as a white male born and raised in Oklahoma, I should have a slight drawl, minimal vocabulary, and a greater affinity for that special sort of rural Americana platitude. My non-Oklahoman colleagues have mentioned that I don't sound like an Okie. That is a bit insulting. I feel it is pretty much the same as telling a black person that they are more eloquent than one would expect. And native (lowercase) Oklahomans generally think I just sound like a city boy. That can be a problem, and it is occasionally necessary to affect an accent. For example, when working with the powder coating tech for my GB, the guy struck me as a very folksy fellow. I think I worked the deal best by putting on a very slight drawl and ending business dealings with a "good ta meetcha" and handshake. Though I almost dropped the ball when I said "happy holidays" and he corrected me with a "merry Christmas".
The reality of the situation, is that I have just internally homogenized so many dialects due to my upbringing (actor + town which imported jobs), that my native tongue ends up sounding incredibly generic. I wonder if I would fit in some Ohio town.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 07 December 2015, 17:59:56
it is occasionally necessary to affect an accent. For example, when working with the powder coating tech for my GB, the guy struck me as a very folksy fellow. I think I worked the deal best by putting on a very slight drawl and ending business dealings with a "good ta meetcha" and handshake. Though I almost dropped the ball when I said "happy holidays" and he corrected me with a "merry Christmas".
This is a pretty big part of my job. :)
Post by: iri on Wed, 09 December 2015, 05:08:06
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 December 2015, 06:32:53
Speaking Tp4 requires you to remain totally silent.
Purchasing an Ergodox..
Assembling an Ergodox...
Then typing on the Ergodox....
The bridge to god, across which we may hear his whispers..
<boy, that last sentence sounded ominous, I'm not sure I even wrote it, just came out..">
Post by: romevi on Wed, 09 December 2015, 08:23:28
by what logic can you expect a black person to be more or less eloquent than a non-black person?
In the hood.
Post by: E3E on Wed, 09 December 2015, 08:28:01
by what logic can you expect a black person to be more or less eloquent than a non-black person?
By racist and discriminatory logic. I still remember that account of a black guy who managed to infiltrate a chapter of the KKK, and the guy on the phone literally told him he can tell when he's talking to a black guy because of how they talk.
That's the best thing ever. Ignorance is bliss.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 09 December 2015, 08:37:34
by what logic can you expect a black person to be more or less eloquent than a non-black person?
By racist and discriminatory logic. I still remember that account of a black guy who managed to infiltrate a chapter of the KKK, and the guy on the phone literally told him he can tell when he's talking to a black guy because of how they talk.
That's the best thing ever. Ignorance is bliss.
I don't think it's racist if you can tell if you're talking to a black guy, or a person of another heritage, on the phone. Each race has certain facial and vocal features that contribute to unique speech patterns.
Post by: E3E on Wed, 09 December 2015, 08:41:41
by what logic can you expect a black person to be more or less eloquent than a non-black person?
By racist and discriminatory logic. I still remember that account of a black guy who managed to infiltrate a chapter of the KKK, and the guy on the phone literally told him he can tell when he's talking to a black guy because of how they talk.
That's the best thing ever. Ignorance is bliss.
I don't think it's racist if you can tell if you're talking to a black guy, or a person of another heritage, on the phone. Each race has certain facial and vocal features that contribute to unique speech patterns.
It still has a certain amount of bias, because I have certainly heard white people sound black and black people sound white and so on. I do agree that there are TYPICAL qualities that can be used to take a guess, but that can also create a situation where you might be quite wrong.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 09 December 2015, 08:44:12
I have certainly heard white people sound black
NAHM SAYN
#noragrets
Post by: E3E on Wed, 09 December 2015, 08:48:27
Carpe gets it :thumb:
Post by: mobbo on Wed, 09 December 2015, 08:53:10
I have certainly heard white people sound black
NAHM SAYN
#noragrets
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrzjgiXfil1qzt1j6o1_500.jpg)
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 09 December 2015, 09:11:57
I was born and raised in Tennessee, and throughout my childhood my mother always told me: "There is nothing wrong with being from East Tennessee - as long as you don't sound like it."
About the black "variation" I agree that there is a certain "something something" about their sound that can often be discerned, even over the telephone. What I am curious about, as a person who loves English (and especially Scottish and Welsh) accents is this: my daughter's ballet studio is run by a well-educated middle-aged black English couple (Londoners) and my ears can't tease out the ethnicity in their accents, but I suspect that a UK native could.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 09 December 2015, 09:26:30
by what logic can you expect a black person to be more or less eloquent than a non-black person?
By racist and discriminatory logic. I still remember that account of a black guy who managed to infiltrate a chapter of the KKK, and the guy on the phone literally told him he can tell when he's talking to a black guy because of how they talk.
That's the best thing ever. Ignorance is bliss.
I don't think it's racist if you can tell if you're talking to a black guy, or a person of another heritage, on the phone. Each race has certain facial and vocal features that contribute to unique speech patterns.
It still has a certain amount of bias, because I have certainly heard white people sound black and black people sound white and so on. I do agree that there are TYPICAL qualities that can be used to take a guess, but that can also create a situation where you might be quite wrong.
I think that has to do with where you grow up, too. A Caucasian kid growing in up a predominantly black or Hispanic neighborhood (at least, here in America) will usually pick up certain traits. I have a few Caucasian relatives who were adopted and, because they grew up speaking primarily Spanish, they have slight accents when speaking English.
I have certainly heard white people sound black
NAHM SAYN
#noragrets
You racist pig.
Post by: drewba on Wed, 09 December 2015, 09:42:54
I got teleported to this thread because of entomological threats, but I have some input.
I have often heard that I "don't have an accent." This comes from both locals and outsiders. The expectation is that, as a white male born and raised in Oklahoma, I should have a slight drawl, minimal vocabulary, and a greater affinity for that special sort of rural Americana platitude. My non-Oklahoman colleagues have mentioned that I don't sound like an Okie. That is a bit insulting. I feel it is pretty much the same as telling a black person that they are more eloquent than one would expect. And native (lowercase) Oklahomans generally think I just sound like a city boy. That can be a problem, and it is occasionally necessary to affect an accent. For example, when working with the powder coating tech for my GB, the guy struck me as a very folksy fellow. I think I worked the deal best by putting on a very slight drawl and ending business dealings with a "good ta meetcha" and handshake. Though I almost dropped the ball when I said "happy holidays" and he corrected me with a "merry Christmas".
The reality of the situation, is that I have just internally homogenized so many dialects due to my upbringing (actor + town which imported jobs), that my native tongue ends up sounding incredibly generic. I wonder if I would fit in some Ohio town.
I approve of your use of social engineering. A big portion of my job involves logistics, I have to talk with people all over the country. I quickly learned you can't speak to a New Yorker the same way you'd speak to a Georgian. My companys branch of customer service was recently moved from Illinois to Kansas, part of the rationale was that Kansas folk are more polite than Illinois folk. I thought that was a bit insulting, regardless the big wigs parroted that theory ad nauseam in various press releases & to the customer service branch themselves. Anytime I speak with customer service I put on a bit of a drawl and absolutely kill them with kindness. Fight the system!
Post by: Phirr on Wed, 09 December 2015, 11:47:28
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:03:52
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
I got a few cities, two of which are close to my birthplace.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:06:15
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:06:37
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
Mine was red for everything besides Minnesota and New York-Maine.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:12:12
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
Pegged me for the northeast or Florida. The reddest centered around New York City and Yonkers. A place called Pembroke Pines in Florida was also marked. My hometown was included in the red swath in New York but not marked.
Post by: E3E on Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:15:12
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
I love how neutral ground and po' boy are terms so central to this state. Crawfish is more wide-spread that I thought. I grew up saying 18-wheeler for semi-trucks, but I call them by a bunch of different terms these days. Semi, rig, tractor trailer.
We usually call quad bikes or ATVs four wheelers, so that probably stems from similar roots. This quiz is really cool! I've definitely shed some of the colloquialisms I've grown up with, but I try to answer all of these with common terms from down here if applicable. I go with my own pronunciations though.
So neat, lol. Not quite done yet.
(http://puu.sh/lPm4p/35aa4bc986.jpg)
Now I am! I wonder if I didn't answer with the crazy tells from being down here, like po boy and neutral ground. I must perform further testing!
With neutral answers for the more telling ones while keeping pronunciations true, I got this:
(http://puu.sh/lPmD1/a9d833e103.jpg)
Apparently pronouncing crayon where 'on' rhymes with 'dawn' is very distinctive of this area. Who knew! Lol Hawaii
Post by: romevi on Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:15:50
The whole race thing is only due to generalizations and trends. You're really picking up socioeconomic groups that happen to be a majority one particular race. I see no genetic reason that a black person should be predisposed to speak like people assume black people should sound...
I don't think it's entirely generalizations. Can someone of a different race have a completely clear dialect? Yes. There are a few people in my family, me included, who've been told that we sound "white," and that was by other Caucasians.
I think the main differences, if any, would lie primarily in how the tongue and lips have been used throughout the centuries of a particular race. I know that pronouncing "r" is different between, say, German and Spanish, and so I think that could affect some sort of variation. But I have no particular data to back that claim.
Here's an article that delves in it a bit: http://dialectblog.com/2013/04/17/race-and-voice-quality/.
And two studies mentioned in the article: http://americanspeech.dukejournals.org/content/86/2/152.short, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16243483.
I'm no scientist, though; I went through colleges solely in the humanities.
Post by: E3E on Wed, 09 December 2015, 12:33:37
The whole race thing is only due to generalizations and trends. You're really picking up socioeconomic groups that happen to be a majority one particular race. I see no genetic reason that a black person should be predisposed to speak like people assume black people should sound...
I don't think it's entirely generalizations. Can someone of a different race have a completely clear dialect? Yes. There are a few people in my family, me included, who've been told that we sound "white," and that was by other Caucasians.
I think the main differences, if any, would lie primarily in how the tongue and lips have been used throughout the centuries of a particular race. I know that pronouncing "r" is different between, say, German and Spanish, and so I think that could affect some sort of variation. But I have no particular data to back that claim.
Here's an article that delves in it a bit: http://dialectblog.com/2013/04/17/race-and-voice-quality/.
And two studies mentioned in the article: http://americanspeech.dukejournals.org/content/86/2/152.short, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16243483.
I'm no scientist, though; I went through colleges solely in the humanities.
As you've pointed out, there are always exceptions, and how someone is raised and the region in which they grew up, etc, all affect that. I'm sure those who try hard enough can eliminate their vocal quirks and have a very neutral accent if they'd like.
I definitely notice inflections in people of all backgrounds, but I have also been wrong, so I really don't like to generalize. I knew a guy from Michigan who I could've sworn would've been black, but he wasn't. Same with another guy I know from Oklahoma, and they all had very subtle would-be tells, not crazy hood talk, just subtle ways in how they spoke, but they were both white as rice. I've also thought the same about people who sounded Asian, but was wrong too. With a lot of second gen Vietnamese and Chinese people down here, I'm used to the subtleties, but again, have been wrong, haha.
I come from a spanish background, but I doubt anyone would realize that hearing me talk, especially since I wasn't raised speaking the language.
I also knew this one guy who lived in Florida, but came from England (white guy), and he talked pretty ghetto. I thought he was latino or something, but when he told me he was from England, I was like whaaaat. He intentionally covered his accent and liked sounding like he was American with that kind of street accent.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 09 December 2015, 13:24:25
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
For my dialect, it's hard to be impressed. All I have to do is answer "bubbler" and it's game over. :P
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 09 December 2015, 13:36:05
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
For my dialect, it's hard to be impressed. All I have to do is answer "bubbler" and it's game over. :P
Is that a water fountain?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Wed, 09 December 2015, 13:37:04
Post by: BlueNalgene on Wed, 09 December 2015, 13:38:33
Post by: romevi on Wed, 09 December 2015, 13:44:03
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
For my dialect, it's hard to be impressed. All I have to do is answer "bubbler" and it's game over. :P
Is that a water fountain?
Supposedly. I went to a school in Wisconsin and kept correcting all the Wisconsinites. It's "water fountain."
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 09 December 2015, 13:44:25
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
For my dialect, it's hard to be impressed. All I have to do is answer "bubbler" and it's game over. :P
Is that a water fountain?
(http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2015/11/20/635836372693978450-1387800903_water-fountain-03.jpg)
No.
It is a brand name for a drinking fountain though. Much like Kleenex/tissues.
http://whoonew.com/2013/03/why-a-bubbler/
Post by: Lurch on Wed, 09 December 2015, 14:10:03
Post by: mobbo on Wed, 09 December 2015, 14:16:58
But my friends from New York say that I sound like I could be from Queens. I don't know what that means. I've also been told I don't have a traceable dialect, but if you're from around here you'll know immediately.
We are considered the red-necks of Canada. We speak really fast, we say "y'all," we refer to inanimate objects and things like the weather as "she" (i.e. that car, she's a beaut/she's pourin' outside eh?). Copious uses of the word "f.uck" and "buddy." The incorrect use of "right" as intensifiers (i.e. it's right cold outside).
Also in our vocabulary: what are you sayin? (what's up), greasy (sketchy, scummy), darts (cigarettes).
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 09 December 2015, 14:18:52
Is it Taylor Ham, Canadian Bacon, or Pork Roll?
I like Tailored Pork
Post by: E3E on Wed, 09 December 2015, 14:19:53
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
For my dialect, it's hard to be impressed. All I have to do is answer "bubbler" and it's game over. :P
Is that a water fountain?Show Image(http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2015/11/20/635836372693978450-1387800903_water-fountain-03.jpg)
No.
It is a brand name for a drinking fountain though. Much like Kleenex/tissues.
http://whoonew.com/2013/03/why-a-bubbler/
Does anyone still use "Xerox" to refer to copying? I remember back in the day, a cheat book I had for SNES/N64 games had Sub-Zero's Ice Clone move in MK3 listed as "Ice Xerox," as a kid, I was like "what the hell is a Xerox?" That was partially because I was dumb and seeing that many 'x'es in a single word confused me.
Post by: mobbo on Wed, 09 December 2015, 14:26:37
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
Even though it's US-centric, it put me in northern Maine, which is the state closest to - and only state adjacent to my province....well done...
Post by: romevi on Wed, 09 December 2015, 14:27:21
US-centric, and somewhat old, but this dialect quiz is great: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0
Literally pinpointed the city where my girlfriend grew up, through its dark magic.
For my dialect, it's hard to be impressed. All I have to do is answer "bubbler" and it's game over. :P
Is that a water fountain?Show Image(http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2015/11/20/635836372693978450-1387800903_water-fountain-03.jpg)
No.
It is a brand name for a drinking fountain though. Much like Kleenex/tissues.
http://whoonew.com/2013/03/why-a-bubbler/
Does anyone still use "Xerox" to refer to copying? I remember back in the day, a cheat book I had for SNES/N64 games had Sub-Zero's Ice Clone move in MK3 listed as "Ice Xerox," as a kid, I was like "what the hell is a Xerox?" That was partially because I was dumb and seeing that many 'x'es in a single word confused me.
A lot of older people here at my office say "Xerox" for copying. And by older I mean people over 50.
Post by: Lurch on Wed, 09 December 2015, 14:42:05
Is it Taylor Ham, Canadian Bacon, or Pork Roll?
I like Tailored Pork
My co-worker from PA looked at me like I had 12 heads when I said I was going to pick up a taylor ham, egg & cheese sandwich. He told me it's called "Canadian Bacon". I told him he was out of his mind.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 09 December 2015, 21:03:05
A lot of older people here at my office say "Xerox" for copying. And by older I mean people over 50.
I always say Xerox and Kleenex. My grandmother, born in 1893, called all cameras "Kodaks"
My kids think that it's funny that I always call permanent black markers "Magic Markers"
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 09 December 2015, 21:29:02
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 09 December 2015, 22:36:42
Is it Taylor Ham, Canadian Bacon, or Pork Roll?
I like Tailored Pork
My co-worker from PA looked at me like I had 12 heads when I said I was going to pick up a taylor ham, egg & cheese sandwich. He told me it's called "Canadian Bacon". I told him he was out of his mind.
Taylor ham? Bro, do you have 12 heads?
Post by: unoab on Thu, 10 December 2015, 17:49:53
No.
It is a brand name for a drinking fountain though. Much like Kleenex/tissues.
http://whoonew.com/2013/03/why-a-bubbler/
Hate to burst your bubbler Hoff :p , but if you get part way through their article they link to a new article saying that the original article got debunked and Kohler does not have a patent for the bubbler and that the credited employee they mentioned for creating it never was on payroll at Kohler. They postulate some more on the origin, was it from a plumbing vocabulary referring to the faucet end, or from an old water jug, but they never really have an answer like in the original article.
Maybe We Were Wrong – A Closer Look at Why We Call it a Bubbler in Wisconsin (http://whoonew.com/2015/03/closer-look-why-bubbler-in-wisconsin/)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 10 December 2015, 18:59:33
No.
It is a brand name for a drinking fountain though. Much like Kleenex/tissues.
http://whoonew.com/2013/03/why-a-bubbler/
Hate to burst your bubbler Hoff :p , but if you get part way through their article they link to a new article saying that the original article got debunked and Kohler does not have a patent for the bubbler and that the credited employee they mentioned for creating it never was on payroll at Kohler. They postulate some more on the origin, was it from a plumbing vocabulary referring to the faucet end, or from an old water jug, but they never really have an answer like in the original article.
Maybe We Were Wrong – A Closer Look at Why We Call it a Bubbler in Wisconsin (http://whoonew.com/2015/03/closer-look-why-bubbler-in-wisconsin/)
Well, I think I know why you're bursting my bubbler...
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Location: Chicago
:))
Anyway, interesting read. Lack of evidence certainly doesn't disprove the story, but it is an interesting addition. In my experience, companies do not retain records long enough to have any confidence in finding or not finding things from that era - but I digress.
We will continue to call it a bubbler, and we will continue to be mocked. I'm okay with that. :) At least I'm not from Illinois. ;)
Post by: E3E on Thu, 10 December 2015, 19:10:29
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 10 December 2015, 19:14:56
Speaking of bubbler, who here calls remote controls for TVs "clickers"? :P
Some people around here do... :|
Post by: romevi on Thu, 10 December 2015, 19:38:24
Speaking of bubbler, who here calls remote controls for TVs "clickers"?
My wife does. It drives me nuts. And we both grew up in the same city.
It's a remote control.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 10 December 2015, 19:39:57
Speaking of bubbler, who here calls remote controls for TVs "clickers"?
My wife does. It drives me nuts. And we both grew up in the same city.
It's a remote control.
As much as I hate the term "clicker", it does make sense. Remote controls used to operate by sound and the remote would click at a specific frequency to control the TV. Unless that's just a myth too. :))
Post by: unoab on Thu, 10 December 2015, 21:20:20
Well, I think I know why you're bursting my bubbler...QuoteLocation: Chicago
:))
Anyway, interesting read. Lack of evidence certainly doesn't disprove the story, but it is an interesting addition. In my experience, companies do not retain records long enough to have any confidence in finding or not finding things from that era - but I digress.
We will continue to call it a bubbler, and we will continue to be mocked. I'm okay with that. :) At least I'm not from Illinois. ;)
Ha ha, glad I am not from illinois too ;) My survey answers placed me around where I grew up in Ohio with our pop and tree lawns.
As much as I hate the term "clicker", it does make sense. Remote controls used to operate by sound and the remote would click at a specific frequency to control the TV. Unless that's just a myth too. :))
I'm on it, ha ha. But I have heard that before too.
Post by: E3E on Thu, 10 December 2015, 23:32:48
Here's a pronunciation demo from an expert. (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0YSxt0fWe5N)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 11 December 2015, 00:04:08
How about pecan? We pretty much call them puh-kawns(and quick on the first syllable, no extended pee into can... wait, that sounds funny), which I accept as the only true pronunciation. >:D And I'm an expert. The house I grew up in had pecan trees growing in front of it all over the block! Pecan trees are common here. :)
Here's a pronunciation demo from an expert. (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0YSxt0fWe5N)
Ha! Some friends and I had a discussion about this last week. I say "pee-kan" when describing the pie, but "peh-kauns" when they're just the nut. I'm the anomaly, however.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 11 December 2015, 06:53:11
How about pecan? We pretty much call them puh-kawns(and quick on the first syllable, no extended pee into can... wait, that sounds funny), which I accept as the only true pronunciation. >:D And I'm an expert. The house I grew up in had pecan trees growing in front of it all over the block! Pecan trees are common here. :)
Here's a pronunciation demo from an expert. (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0YSxt0fWe5N)
You would think with it being our state tree, that Texans would have this figured out, right? Nope. Half the people I know pronounce it wrong, as pee-can. I always say it like you do.
My parents lived for about 10 years on property that had nine pecan trees. My dad now hardly eats pecan pie at all.
Post by: billnye on Fri, 11 December 2015, 07:20:17
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Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 11 December 2015, 17:19:58
How about pecan? We pretty much call them puh-kawns(and quick on the first syllable, no extended pee into can... wait, that sounds funny), which I accept as the only true pronunciation. >:D And I'm an expert. The house I grew up in had pecan trees growing in front of it all over the block! Pecan trees are common here. :)
Here's a pronunciation demo from an expert. (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0YSxt0fWe5N)
I say "pee-kahn".
Not "pee-can" and not "puh-cawwwwwn", cause that just sounds goofy. :P
And of course after typing that out, now they all sound wrong and I trust no one. :-X
Post by: iri on Sat, 12 December 2015, 08:32:10
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 12 December 2015, 09:28:32
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 12 December 2015, 09:33:38
How about pecan? We pretty much call them puh-kawns(and quick on the first syllable, no extended pee into can... wait, that sounds funny), which I accept as the only true pronunciation. >:D And I'm an expert. The house I grew up in had pecan trees growing in front of it all over the block! Pecan trees are common here. :)
Here's a pronunciation demo from an expert. (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0YSxt0fWe5N)
I say "pee-kahn".
Not "pee-can" and not "puh-cawwwwwn", cause that just sounds goofy. :P
And of course after typing that out, now they all sound wrong and I trust no one. :-X
It sounds more like.. Pah-con to me... from the link..
You surez it's not pah-con ??
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 12 December 2015, 14:36:28
It sounds more like.. Pah-con to me... from the link..
You surez it's not pah-con ??
I'm sure that its pah-con
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 12 December 2015, 14:37:34
How about pecan? We pretty much call them puh-kawns(and quick on the first syllable, no extended pee into can... wait, that sounds funny), which I accept as the only true pronunciation. >:D And I'm an expert. The house I grew up in had pecan trees growing in front of it all over the block! Pecan trees are common here. :)
Here's a pronunciation demo from an expert. (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0YSxt0fWe5N)
I say "pee-kahn".
Not "pee-can" and not "puh-cawwwwwn", cause that just sounds goofy. :P
And of course after typing that out, now they all sound wrong and I trust no one. :-X
It sounds more like.. Pah-con to me... from the link..
You surez it's not pah-con ??
I don't think I've ever heard it said like that
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 12 December 2015, 15:35:52
As much as I hate the term "clicker", it does make sense. Remote controls used to operate by sound and the remote would click at a specific frequency to control the TV. Unless that's just a myth too. :))
I've never heard that. It sounds like a myth to me. :) They did used to make a noticeable click but it was just due to the switches they used. I know that some remotes were connected by a wire, and I think everything else was IR. I could be wrong...
In the deep south it was pronounced "pah-con" where I grew up. Yanks say pee-can. ;)
Post by: E3E on Sat, 12 December 2015, 15:56:56
How about pecan? We pretty much call them puh-kawns(and quick on the first syllable, no extended pee into can... wait, that sounds funny), which I accept as the only true pronunciation. >:D And I'm an expert. The house I grew up in had pecan trees growing in front of it all over the block! Pecan trees are common here. :)
Here's a pronunciation demo from an expert. (http://vocaroo.com/i/s0YSxt0fWe5N)
I say "pee-kahn".
Not "pee-can" and not "puh-cawwwwwn", cause that just sounds goofy. :P
And of course after typing that out, now they all sound wrong and I trust no one. :-X
It sounds more like.. Pah-con to me... from the link..
You surez it's not pah-con ??
PUH KAAAAAHHHHN
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 12 December 2015, 22:32:24