louder than Cherry/Gateron Blues
Or ever better yet, make a few switch types with different frequencies on clicks,
IE: color A is high pitch and crisp, and color B has a more low and deep click sound.
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
Tealios.
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
Tealios.
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
I have also been experimenting with these!
I can confirm the sound is quite nice.
If you can get a better housing, and make keys fit more snug on these...
I am definitely in.
or ever better yet, make a few switch types with different frequencies on clicks,
IE: color A is high pitch and crisp, and color B has a more low and deep click sound.
as much as I enjoy a clicking keyboard, there are only so many options readily available on the market.
cherry for example there is only one sound for click switches.
maybe in the future, there is a small market for people who want their keyboard clicking to sound a specific way...
and once again i'm rambling on, i'l stop now.
I'd like to try them. Maybe with very heavy spring
I'd like the switch to be louder. I'd also like it to be more tactile than cherry.
The problem is many cherry/gateron/etc click switches feel clunky when using them at times.
Interested:Note: I have found that Gaterons, including Zealios, bottoms have smaller holes for the LEDs that do not allow dip sockets to pass through, could you fix that in this run?
- Inject the stem sliders with a nice new plastic color.
- Make the fit of stems and caps tighter.
- Make the housing tighter.
- Make the bottom more heat resistant even if they were not transparent.
- Offer a selection of spring modules.
- Keep the cost competitive.
Count me in!
Speaking of the ALPS comparison, how clacky are they going to be? Because Matias clickly switches had so much clack that it went from enjoyable to plain annoying real quick.
Also curious if it's possible to reproduce that shallow clicky feel of a buckling spring keyboard
It's intriguing. I'd be interested pending 1) comparison videos to, ideally, MX blue and some type of Alps switch (preferably Matias QC and click), and 2) some kind of info on how the switch actuates, and 3) price.
EDIT: found a typing vid of a Chicony 5191 and it sounds really interesting, count me in if they're not too expensive!
haven't had a chance to put my purples on a board yet but i'm definitely interested in your version of the white/Aristotle switch. As far as i know mx white is both clicky and tactile correct?
Zeal, can you adjust the bottom housing so it has, like cherry, the little cut to fit SMD leds?
Zeal, can you adjust the bottom housing so it has, like cherry, the little cut to fit SMD leds?
Adding that would mean no SIP sockets, or anything to hold the LED legs "straight". My transparent bottom housing mould also can't add that (you can only add more holes to a mould, making something bigger, but can't remove plastic which requires metal in place of it). I think Gateron has a milky bottom one that uses SMD holes though...
Zeal, can you adjust the bottom housing so it has, like cherry, the little cut to fit SMD leds?
Adding that would mean no SIP sockets, or anything to hold the LED legs "straight". My transparent bottom housing mould also can't add that (you can only add more holes to a mould, making something bigger, but can't remove plastic which requires metal in place of it). I think Gateron has a milky bottom one that uses SMD holes though...
AFAIK Gateron does - for Massdrop's Team Wolf drop, they included Gateron switches that were compatible with SMD RGB resistors.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/team-wolf-swappable-switch-mechanical-keyboard
Not sure how compatible they are with regular LEDs, though, or even what the SMD compatible portion looks like.
I do not know how to put it, but this pictures shows the sip sockets in a Cherry bottom, the same that do not fit inside the holes of a Zealio bottom.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uLLfPnG.jpg)
I do not know how to put it, but this pictures shows the sip sockets in a Cherry bottom, the same that do not fit inside the holes of a Zealio bottom.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uLLfPnG.jpg)
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D
Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D
Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D
Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p
idk about you guys, but teal to me reminds me of:Show Image(https://jholarsworld.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/wpid-teal_429721_i01.png)
And I'm trying to expand on the "Zealio" line. :(
Whereas the colour I've shown seems to be a mix of Celeste + Tiffany blue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_cyan
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D
Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p
idk about you guys, but teal to me reminds me of:Show Image(https://jholarsworld.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/wpid-teal_429721_i01.png)
And I'm trying to expand on the "Zealio" line. :(
Whereas the colour I've shown seems to be a mix of Celeste + Tiffany blue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_cyan
Hmmm, teal is definitely darker than what you're trying use. Definitely going to be trickier to come up with a name using Celeste or Tiffany Blue. Could always just go generic and call it Cyan Zealios just like the current Purple Zealios.
Since Gateron Yellows aren't as popular as they should be, you should create your own with a bolder yellow and call 'em Banana Zeals.
Hey guys, thanks for the interest thus far.
So far, the colour I have on mind is this:Show Image(http://puu.sh/lV5jW/967f6a469a.jpg)
I'm not sure what to call it though...Aqua Zealios? Celeste Zealios (sounds too long)?
Will be answering some of the above Qs
I really like the teal colors, the name Tealios is perfect. I'm sure you'd prefer to keep you name in it for branding so maybe Teal Zealios but Tealios for short. :D
Those samples look like really good pieces of candy. :p
idk about you guys, but teal to me reminds me of:Show Image(https://jholarsworld.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/wpid-teal_429721_i01.png)
And I'm trying to expand on the "Zealio" line. :(
Whereas the colour I've shown seems to be a mix of Celeste + Tiffany blue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_cyan
The original iMac was in a blue-green color and it was called Bondi Blue (http://www.vectronicsappleworld.com/archives/vintage/images/0003/snap1.jpg). In fact, wikipedia redirects "bondi blue" to the page you just posted.
Just a thought.
Pic dump. Every pic in here is a macro shot, enlarge to your heart's content.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/q15f3Ue.jpg)
Slider within a slider. Sliderception?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZGiokSQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5Zl6ErF.jpg)
Dat bump doe. Just imagine a way more tactile MX Blue!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9ltBJXV.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/V3kdj1Y.jpg)
Due to the Aristotle slider design, I had to level it with some business cards :P. Here you can see the tactile bump is larger and higher than those of MX Blues.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MS3P8xb.jpg)
MX Blue's click slider goes on the outside. Aristotles on the inside.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oSDIZ7J.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gqDcf69.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LVfFHlc.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vGk1y6p.jpg)
Sound comparison (that moment when you raise iso to 2000 for a vid :( ):
"Esc", "Q", "A" are Gateron Greens with blue springs
"1", "W", "S", "X" are Gateron Blues with clear tops
"2", "3", "4", "5", "E", "R", "T", "Y", "D", "F", "G", "H", "C", "V", "B", "N" are 65g Aristotle Zealios
"6", "7", "8", "9" are a quieter batch of MX Blues
"U", "I", "O", "P", "J", "K", "L", ";", "M", ",", ".", "/" are a clicky batch of MX Blues.
Pic dump. Every pic in here is a macro shot, enlarge to your heart's content.
"Esc", "Q", "A" are Gateron Greens with blue springs
"1", "W", "S", "X" are Gateron Blues with clear tops
"2", "3", "4", "5", "E", "R", "T", "Y", "D", "F", "G", "H", "C", "V", "B", "N" are 65g Aristotle Zealios
"6", "7", "8", "9" are a quieter batch of MX Blues
"U", "I", "O", "P", "J", "K", "L", ";", "M", ",", ".", "/" are a clicky batch of MX Blues.
For anyone interested whether the usual Gateron housings will fit in with SMD LEDs, I did a short video with Zealios last week:
In short it works just fine, both with Cherry and Gateron, although that hotswappable board manual recommends using switches with thinner legs
For anyone interested whether the usual Gateron housings will fit in with SMD LEDs, I did a short video with Zealios last week:
In short it works just fine, both with Cherry and Gateron, although that hotswappable board manual recommends using switches with thinner legs
Interesting keyboard, I remember a GB for one.
Interesting. The sound is not so different to me, though noticeableably not quite the same as blues - crisper but ultimately same pitch, etc. Blues started grating on me because they pinged with PBT caps and a metal plate - would be nice if these could avoid that.
I'd also really love to see a 78g or 85g option. I've been slowly working on putting 78g springs in some tactile zealios and am liking the feel so far.
This makes me curious to buy an old Chicony with Aristotles and swap the stems into some Gaterons/Zealios. Ultimately though, I was planning on using vintage MX whites in zealio housings for a nice translucent clicky switch. If aristotles can fit into Zealio housings, then I -MIGHT- go that route.
This makes me curious to buy an old Chicony with Aristotles and swap the stems into some Gaterons/Zealios. Ultimately though, I was planning on using vintage MX whites in zealio housings for a nice translucent clicky switch. If aristotles can fit into Zealio housings, then I -MIGHT- go that route.
Aristotle stems get stuck in traditional gateron housings. Only the RGB clear top ones work.
I would definitely be interested in a keyboards worth! I do have echo qwack's question? Cherry's click mechanism is constructed in a way that the plastic has to wear away before clicking tactile feel would fade. The mechanism on these seems rather thin. Is there a potential that this would would fail within a much smaller amount of time than something like the CherryMX Blues?
Zeal, can you adjust the bottom housing so it has, like cherry, the little cut to fit SMD leds?
Adding that would mean no SIP sockets, or anything to hold the LED legs "straight". My transparent bottom housing mould also can't add that (you can only add more holes to a mould, making something bigger, but can't remove plastic which requires metal in place of it). I think Gateron has a milky bottom one that uses SMD holes though...
AFAIK Gateron does - for Massdrop's Team Wolf drop, they included Gateron switches that were compatible with SMD RGB resistors.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/team-wolf-swappable-switch-mechanical-keyboard
Not sure how compatible they are with regular LEDs, though, or even what the SMD compatible portion looks like.
Yeah, I've seen that post. Unsure what it looks like at the bottom, or how it would affect the structural integrity of the switch when pulling out of a plate.
I really like the characteristics of the click but personally I would prefer a lower pitch sound, like a "tak tak" or even "tok tok" instead of a "tik tik". Not sure if that's possible with the way the mechanism works. I'll probably grab enough for a 60% for experimentation.
I really like the characteristics of the click but personally I would prefer a lower pitch sound, like a "tak tak" or even "tok tok" instead of a "tik tik". Not sure if that's possible with the way the mechanism works. I'll probably grab enough for a 60% for experimentation.
I think the pitch may change a little depending on the plate where they were mounted, material and thickness, and on the housing used with the particular setup, at least I hope so, I do prefer lower pitch as well.
I really like the characteristics of the click but personally I would prefer a lower pitch sound, like a "tak tak" or even "tok tok" instead of a "tik tik". Not sure if that's possible with the way the mechanism works. I'll probably grab enough for a 60% for experimentation.
I think the pitch may change a little depending on the plate where they were mounted, material and thickness, and on the housing used with the particular setup, at least I hope so, I do prefer lower pitch as well.
Aluminum plate + closed case + thick abs/pbt (personally I prefer the thick abs sound) = lower switch sound.
A plastic plate with thicker abs will actually add a pleasing "thock" sound in my experience, which I find very pleasing.
I feel like I'd need to hear these in person and feel them to know the difference.
sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.
sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.
its about the same as MX if not a bit more quiet.sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.More
So the aristotles are higher pitched and sound more "ticky," not sure if I really like that sound. Though, like Alps, the magic MIGHT be in the bottom out. Now that I think about it, it is somewhat reminiscent of Alps in the click alone.
Your touch seemed very light and deliberate in not bottoming the switches out. How does the bottom out sound on aristotles?
Also, with a name, just call them cyan Zealios, Zeal. Lol, I mean there's no special name for the linears or the purple Zealios! Cyan Zealios would be the most simplistic. :)
sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.
I've been given a sample of Aristotle Zealios. They're simply amazing. I almost want to say they feel closer to buckling spring than MX BlueCan you post a comparison video?
This makes me curious to buy an old Chicony with Aristotles and swap the stems into some Gaterons/Zealios. Ultimately though, I was planning on using vintage MX whites in zealio housings for a nice translucent clicky switch. If aristotles can fit into Zealio housings, then I -MIGHT- go that route.
sorry, i got distracted and forgot to make a video.
here we go. board #1 on the top that i start with is mx blues.
the second board bellow is mx housing with aristotle plungers.
on the aristotle switches i have 80g springs.
So the aristotles are higher pitched and sound more "ticky," not sure if I really like that sound. [...]
How's this coming along?
We need to hear the sound, well I need to :D
Interested to see how they come out!How's this coming along?
I shipped some early proto samples (along with a bunch of other new projects *cough*) to Gateron on Friday and they should be receiving it tomorrow... Stress test/designing phase will come shortly.
In the meantime, here's another pic :)Show Image(http://puu.sh/m4l1I/000d7bb4a9.jpg)
Yeah somehow tapatalk just isn't my best friendWe need to hear the sound, well I need to :D
Look in the thread for the videos that were already posted.
I miss my clickies, definitely in for a boards worth of Zealistotles
:( Looks like this project won't be feasible.That's too bad... Is cost the issue?
Will work on project stab.
:( Looks like this project won't be feasible.That's too bad... Is cost the issue?
Will work on project stab.
That's unfortunate. It would have been really cool! Regardless, I'm definitely excited for project stabs!!! (I'm definitely in for a few boards worth!):( Looks like this project won't be feasible.That's too bad... Is cost the issue?
Will work on project stab.
Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.
Did not go through all the posts but this will be priced the same as other zealios?Zeal just said (two or three posts above) that this won't be happening, due to a few reasons. :( I was really looking forward to it... Oh well, such is life!
:( Looks like this project won't be feasible.That's too bad... Is cost the issue?
Will work on project stab.
Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.
I think it's the possibility of having stabs that have clear housings, and purple stems. That would be very, very cool since it would match tactile zealios perfectly!:( Looks like this project won't be feasible.That's too bad... Is cost the issue?
Will work on project stab.
Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.
Bummer, sorry to hear that. Was thinking of putting these in the whitefox when it comes. Project stab = new stabilizer design, or what is that?
:( Looks like this project won't be feasible.That's too bad... Is cost the issue?
Will work on project stab.
Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.
Bummer, sorry to hear that. Was thinking of putting these in the whitefox when it comes. Project stab = new stabilizer design, or what is that?
I think it's the possibility of having stabs that have clear housings, and purple stems. That would be very, very cool since it would match tactile zealios perfectly!
Yeah, I actually pm'd zeal about that a while ago, and he said he was already toying with the idea. It sure would be sweet!I think it's the possibility of having stabs that have clear housings, and purple stems. That would be very, very cool since it would match tactile zealios perfectly!
Yooo that'd be pretty rad honestly. Got an all semi-transparent build that would benefit from those a lot, the black stabs stand out like sore thumbs.
I actually tried to buy 70 of the Aristotle switches from your store for my current board but there were only about 47 or so in stock. I'd be 100% interested in 70-100 of them. They seem very interesting.Theoretically, I'll have about 30 left once my LZ rv comes in.
I actually tried to buy 70 of the Aristotle switches from your store for my current board but there were only about 47 or so in stock. I'd be 100% interested in 70-100 of them. They seem very interesting.
I'd love to get a clicky Zealio, heavier but that can be handled by a simple spring swap ;)
Hope to see this in one of my boards :D
I've only done it with one switch so far, but it's amazing! Closest thing to blue alps I've tried so far, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the most tactile clicky switch there is that's mx compatible!I actually tried to buy 70 of the Aristotle switches from your store for my current board but there were only about 47 or so in stock. I'd be 100% interested in 70-100 of them. They seem very interesting.
Thanks for the notice. I've just verified my inventory and have exactly 87 Aristotles remaining. The website has been updated.I'd love to get a clicky Zealio, heavier but that can be handled by a simple spring swap ;)
Hope to see this in one of my boards :D
Clicky Zealio project (with aristotle-like stem) is forever dormant until further notice. The only way to replicate the feel would be to purchase Aristotles and harvest the stem to put into Zealio housings.
I actually tried to buy 70 of the Aristotle switches from your store for my current board but there were only about 47 or so in stock. I'd be 100% interested in 70-100 of them. They seem very interesting.
Thanks for the notice. I've just verified my inventory and have exactly 87 Aristotles remaining. The website has been updated.I'd love to get a clicky Zealio, heavier but that can be handled by a simple spring swap ;)
Hope to see this in one of my boards :D
Clicky Zealio project (with aristotle-like stem) is forever dormant until further notice. The only way to replicate the feel would be to purchase Aristotles and harvest the stem to put into Zealio housings.
the reason i dont get aristotle is, it said on description switches do not support LEDs
my wallet saved :p
the reason i dont get aristotle is, it said on description switches do not support LEDs
my wallet saved :p
Gateron or Zealios housing would solve that problem, according to Zeal, not that it matters much to me
the reason i dont get aristotle is, it said on description switches do not support LEDs
my wallet saved :p
Gateron or Zealios housing would solve that problem, according to Zeal, not that it matters much to me
i ask zeal on zealio GB , zeal said only zealio housing fit. milky gateron housing not fit.
last time i ask gateron clear top black bottom still not available, so i dont know if gateron clear top black bottom would fit..
Dunno why the shipping has to be so expensive, but I've just order 87 Aristotles, at least I hope they'll be here tomorrowI wouldn't count on it. Afaik, Zeal is still working through his orders from the GB.
the reason i dont get aristotle is, it said on description switches do not support LEDs
my wallet saved :p
Gateron or Zealios housing would solve that problem, according to Zeal, not that it matters much to me
i ask zeal on zealio GB , zeal said only zealio housing fit. milky gateron housing not fit.
last time i ask gateron clear top black bottom still not available, so i dont know if gateron clear top black bottom would fit..
:( Looks like this project won't be feasible.That's too bad... Is cost the issue?
Will work on project stab.
Cost, possible design issues with dust, different assembly line required, etc.
If anyone would know where to find 70 Aristotle switches (considering Zeal got bought out), I'd love to know where. I found 3 in a bag of random switches my roommate gave me when he graduated and these things feel amazing! Makes me sad to know I might never get to put them in a board.