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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: rcksh on Wed, 06 January 2016, 01:48:11
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hi,
i'm newbie in this site,
please take care of me ^^
i come from membrane keyboard,logitech k120
i will buy mechanical keyboard (gamdias gkb2000)
but sadly my local store only sell cherry mx black switch version,
(they don't have any mechanical sample)
here my question
compared to logitech k120 membrane keyboard,
1. is cherry mx more heavier or more lighter than logitech k120?
2. which one faster rebound,cherry mx black or logitech k120?
thank you fellas
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If you have time get gateron black and mod it or just get some vintage black and mod it
My personal experience is pretty good so smooth if you can mod it :thumb:
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Welcome to Geekhack!
I'm not familiar with the Logitech K120, but I like MX blacks.
They are linear (no bump, no click) and fairly heavy.
Some people complain that they get tired fingers after long typing sessions on MX blacks.
Really it's up to you whether you like these switches.
Coming from a membrane keyboard, almost any mechanical keyboard will be so much better than what you are used to :)
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If You Like It, It's Good
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I started with cherry blacks coming from a rubber membrane keyboard and an apple scissor switch keyboard. It is a great feeling linear switch in my opinion. I immediately understood the appeal of mechanical keyboard from the first moment I tried it. Membrane keyboards have tactile feedback in the form of a bump feel. These will not have that bump. I'm not familiar with how much force it takes to press a Logitech membrane switch but I'm pretty sure it is fairly heavy to begin with. So if it's the only thing holding you back from getting this keyboard then I don't think you will have too much of a problem. Ask them to open a box and try it out a bit in store if they don't have a display model. And tell them they would sell a hell of a lot more mechanical keyboards if they did have a display haha
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It's VERY good.
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One man's ideal switch is another's nightmare. For example, raymogi love it, I think it's the worst Cherry MX switch ever made (too scratchy and heavy for me).
Really, you'll want to judge for yourself ;) .
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One man's ideal switch is another's nightmare. For example, raymogi love it, I think it's the worst Cherry MX switch ever made (too scratchy and heavy for me).
Really, you'll want to judge for yourself ;) .
Ah, but vintage blacks ...
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One man's ideal switch is another's nightmare. For example, raymogi love it, I think it's the worst Cherry MX switch ever made (too scratchy and heavy for me).
Really, you'll want to judge for yourself ;) .
Ah, but vintage blacks ...
I don't have any vintage Cherries that I know of, thus is true. I hope one day I get to test the whole new vs vintage Cherry rumour properly :) .
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Welcome to Geekhack!
I'm not familiar with the Logitech K120, but I like MX blacks.
They are linear (no bump, no click) and fairly heavy.
Some people complain that they get tired fingers after long typing sessions on MX blacks.
Really it's up to you whether you like these switches.
Coming from a membrane keyboard, almost any mechanical keyboard will be so much better than what you are used to :)
glad hear your answer ;) so whatever cherry mx switch we choose still more better than logitech membrane keyboard right? :)
many people said black is worst because require much force (inffective)
,and another say red worst because they're too light and we can't rest our hand onto it because they registered easily(my habbit :P)
and another say brown is bad because the tactile bump is annoying
and another say blue is too noisy and we can't enjoyly double tapping on it (i need mechanical keyboard which good at double tapping)
okay 1 vote for black :thumb:
ps: i'm thin person (about 50Kg) ,
If you have time get gateron black and mod it or just get some vintage black and mod it
My personal experience is pretty good so smooth if you can mod it :thumb:
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sorry gan ane masih nubie gk brani mod2,pengennya beli keyboard doang terus brbrpa keycap yg murah2 doang
gue ngincer gamdias soalnya harganya murah tpi fitur komplit + makro pula kwokow
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I started with cherry blacks coming from a rubber membrane keyboard and an apple scissor switch keyboard. It is a great feeling linear switch in my opinion. I immediately understood the appeal of mechanical keyboard from the first moment I tried it. Membrane keyboards have tactile feedback in the form of a bump feel. These will not have that bump. I'm not familiar with how much force it takes to press a Logitech membrane switch but I'm pretty sure it is fairly heavy to begin with. So if it's the only thing holding you back from getting this keyboard then I don't think you will have too much of a problem. Ask them to open a box and try it out a bit in store if they don't have a display model. And tell them they would sell a hell of a lot more mechanical keyboards if they did have a display haha
so you're pleased with cherry mx black? okay i will reconsider it :thumb:
sadly,the rule in my local store is "if you opened box (sealed) it mean you must buy it" :(
two vote for black
It's VERY good.
okay 3 vote for black :thumb:
One man's ideal switch is another's nightmare. For example, raymogi love it, I think it's the worst Cherry MX switch ever made (too scratchy and heavy for me).
Really, you'll want to judge for yourself ;) .
may i know,how much your weight?
my weight is 50Kg
here my daily usage
1.i like to play moba games (dota 2)
2.make an essay to get my bachelor degree tittle
3.some times i like to play starcraft 2,counter strike,
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My preferred MX switch, is a lubed vintage black with 60g Korean springs. Smooth as butter!! Stickered or not ...... can't really feel any difference.
Then again, my switches were worked over by PhotoE and maybe that's why they're so amazing!!
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may i know,how much your weight?
my weight is 50Kg
here my daily usage
1.i like to play moba games (dota 2)
2.make an essay to get my bachelor degree tittle
3.some times i like to play starcraft 2,counter strike,
Uhhh, I weigh 80 kg but I can't imagine you'd be asking for that :p .
My day behind the computer generally consist of data management in Excel, working on my thesis and publications in Word, browsing the internet, and playing video games, mostly shooters and various retro / indie and DOS games.
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My preferred MX switch, is a lubed vintage black with 60g Korean springs. Smooth as butter!! Stickered or not ...... can't really feel any difference.
Then again, my switches were worked over by PhotoE and maybe that's why they're so amazing!!
Time to try Gaterons!
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My preferred MX switch, is a lubed vintage black with 60g Korean springs. Smooth as butter!! Stickered or not ...... can't really feel any difference.
Then again, my switches were worked over by PhotoE and maybe that's why they're so amazing!!
can you give me a pict of that switch ? :eek:
if cherry mx black too heavy, do you think giving it lubed could make it lighter? :)
korean spring sounds interesting :p
what the different korean spring with another normal spring?
may i know,how much your weight?
my weight is 50Kg
here my daily usage
1.i like to play moba games (dota 2)
2.make an essay to get my bachelor degree tittle
3.some times i like to play starcraft 2,counter strike,
Uhhh, I weigh 80 kg but I can't imagine you'd be asking for that :p .
My day behind the computer generally consist of data management in Excel, working on my thesis and publications in Word, browsing the internet, and playing video games, mostly shooters and various retro / indie and DOS games.
your weight is more heavier than me, (more weight = more stronger muscle finger ? haha)
it's make me worried :(
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If You Like It, It's Good
This is the only true answer. Not everybody's cup of tea, but some people love it. Other people love membrane keyboards.
Cherry MX Black is the most common switch in mechanical gaming keyboards. If you can find a mechanical keyboard on a shelf to try out, it is most often with Cherry MX Black switches.
As a newbie, do ignore the people screaming about modifying your keyboard with Gaterons or lube or whatever. You want "Keyboard 101", not the "Advanced class".
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hi,
i'm newbie in this site,
please take care of me ^^
i come from membrane keyboard,logitech k120
i will buy mechanical keyboard (gamdias gkb2000)
but sadly my local store only sell cherry mx black switch version,
(they don't have any mechanical sample)
here my question
compared to logitech k120 membrane keyboard,
1. is cherry mx more heavier or more lighter than logitech k120?
2. which one faster rebound,cherry mx black or logitech k120?
thank you fellas
Anything will beat a K120.
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I have a K120 and a Leopold FC750R with MX Black.
1. MX Blacks feel a little heavier than the K120.
2. The rebound is about the same, but I think MX Black is faster because it has a longer key travel.
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If You Like It, It's Good
This is the only true answer. Not everybody's cup of tea, but some people love it. Other people love membrane keyboards.
Cherry MX Black is the most common switch in mechanical gaming keyboards. If you can find a mechanical keyboard on a shelf to try out, it is most often with Cherry MX Black switches.
As a newbie, do ignore the people screaming about modifying your keyboard with Gaterons or lube or whatever. You want "Keyboard 101", not the "Advanced class".
okay accepted :thumb:
it is okay lubbing cherry mx black with a cooking oil? :p
hi,
i'm newbie in this site,
please take care of me ^^
i come from membrane keyboard,logitech k120
i will buy mechanical keyboard (gamdias gkb2000)
but sadly my local store only sell cherry mx black switch version,
(they don't have any mechanical sample)
here my question
compared to logitech k120 membrane keyboard,
1. is cherry mx more heavier or more lighter than logitech k120?
2. which one faster rebound,cherry mx black or logitech k120?
thank you fellas
Anything will beat a K120.
okay thanks for your reply :thumb:
I have a K120 and a Leopold FC750R with MX Black.
1. MX Blacks feel a little heavier than the K120.
2. The rebound is about the same, but I think MX Black is faster because it has a longer key travel.
what a pity :(
to be honest i need a keyboard with more little lighter feel then k120 and of course solid feel :thumb:
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If You Like It, It's Good
This is the only true answer. Not everybody's cup of tea, but some people love it. Other people love membrane keyboards.
Cherry MX Black is the most common switch in mechanical gaming keyboards. If you can find a mechanical keyboard on a shelf to try out, it is most often with Cherry MX Black switches.
As a newbie, do ignore the people screaming about modifying your keyboard with Gaterons or lube or whatever. You want "Keyboard 101", not the "Advanced class".
okay accepted :thumb:
it is okay lubbing cherry mx black with a cooking oil? :p
Please do not use cooking oil. Use a proper lubricant, such as Krytox 103GPL. I plan on getting some Geekhackers V3 Lube (http://zealpc.net/products/ghlube) (thin) from ZealPC soon.
Anyways, I quite like MX Blacks. A tad heavier than normal rubber dome keyboards. It will feel scratchy at first but once they are worn in they become much better. I wouldn't worry about vintage/modding stuff yet but we are here when/if you want to learn more ;)
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Cooking oil ... no. I'd say don't do anything stupid. You're a newbie.
I'm into mechanical keyboards for over a year now, but there is still plenty to learn.
This isn't an easy hobby.
You'll need time to understand keycap profiles, switches, layouts, pcbs, controller, plates, stabilizers, etc. if you want to mod stuff and get non-standard switches like Gaterons.
Take your time and take it easy at the beginning.
MX Blacks were my first switch. Even though it is not the most refined or the most interesting switch, it's a very solid switch for starters.
I would suggest you to buy a MX Black keyboard.
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Cooking oil ... no. I'd say don't do anything stupid. You're a newbie.
I'm into mechanical keyboards for over a year now, but there is still plenty to learn.
This isn't an easy hobby.
You'll need time to understand keycap profiles, switches, layouts, pcbs, controller, plates, stabilizers, etc. if you want to mod stuff and get non-standard switches like Gaterons.
Take your time and take it easy at the beginning.
MX Blacks were my first switch. Even though it is not the most refined or the most interesting switch, it's a very solid switch for starters.
I would suggest you to buy a MX Black keyboard.
okay another vote for black switch :thumb:
If You Like It, It's Good
This is the only true answer. Not everybody's cup of tea, but some people love it. Other people love membrane keyboards.
Cherry MX Black is the most common switch in mechanical gaming keyboards. If you can find a mechanical keyboard on a shelf to try out, it is most often with Cherry MX Black switches.
As a newbie, do ignore the people screaming about modifying your keyboard with Gaterons or lube or whatever. You want "Keyboard 101", not the "Advanced class".
okay accepted :thumb:
it is okay lubbing cherry mx black with a cooking oil? :p
Please do not use cooking oil. Use a proper lubricant, such as Krytox 103GPL. I plan on getting some Geekhackers V3 Lube (http://zealpc.net/products/ghlube) (thin) from ZealPC soon.
Anyways, I quite like MX Blacks. A tad heavier than normal rubber dome keyboards. It will feel scratchy at first but once they are worn in they become much better. I wouldn't worry about vintage/modding stuff yet but we are here when/if you want to learn more ;)
sad :( because my locale store not selling lubricant for mechanical keyboard,
using engine lubricant is okay?
i will buy that keyboard (cherry mx black) on next month ,if it make me uncomfortable, how to trick it so they will be more smoother and lighter? :)
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If you have to buy local, buy white lithium grease, but make sure it is a variant designated safe for use on plastics. It should be widely available at local hardware stores.
You do not want to use something that that is corrosive to plastic and will eat away at it over time. Lubrication used for machinery will be a bad choice.
I don't think this is something you should even pursue until you have a keyboard and have used it for awhile.
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I would sooner use most keyboards that come free with a computer than a board with Cherry Blacks. And I'm not exaggerating here.
OP, keyboard choice is very personal, the collective wisdom or opinion of the internet isn't much use here. You either just bite the bullet and take your chances on a new keyboard experience, or just forget about it.
Forget about lubing or other mods for now, that's really going over the top for a first time experience, it won't make you like or dislike the basic board any more or less.