oh, now there's a curse...?
oh, now there's a curse...?
Well if you look at the last phantom group buy and a few buys people tried to do afterwards related to the phantom they all crashed and burned.
Are there any pictures anywhere of what you're thinking of buying? I've never heard of a Phantom before. :/
mechanicalkeyboards.com has phantoms
sparkfun.com has teensys and accessories
maxkeyboards.com has leds
wasdkeyboards.com has stabs
MAX also has caps
Are there any pictures anywhere of what you're thinking of buying? I've never heard of a Phantom before. :/
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom
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I did a couple of Phantom builds recently on my own. What happened with your plates not fitting?
mechanicalkeyboards.com has phantoms
sparkfun.com has teensys and accessories
maxkeyboards.com has leds
wasdkeyboards.com has stabs
MAX also has capsAre there any pictures anywhere of what you're thinking of buying? I've never heard of a Phantom before. :/
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom
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I did a couple of Phantom builds recently on my own. What happened with your plates not fitting?
Ahhh, it's a PCB. Thank you!
I think this is what OP is trying to acheive?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EOBffxX.jpg)
yep, that's exactly it, JD. thanks for posting the pictures. you were in the original group buy on DT, right? if those are the same SS plates i got, then you must have done your build with a GON or B.87 pcb.
mechanicalkeyboards.com has phantoms $32 (+Teensy 2.0 $22)
sparkfun.com has teensys and accessories
maxkeyboards.com has leds
wasdkeyboards.com has stabs
MAX also has caps
yep, that's exactly it, JD. thanks for posting the pictures. you were in the original group buy on DT, right? if those are the same SS plates i got, then you must have done your build with a GON or B.87 pcb.
There was a JD Skeleton made in the past with a Phantom inside. :)
yep, that's exactly it, JD. thanks for posting the pictures. you were in the original group buy on DT, right? if those are the same SS plates i got, then you must have done your build with a GON or B.87 pcb.
There was a JD Skeleton made in the past with a Phantom inside. :)
TIL
yep, that's exactly it, JD. thanks for posting the pictures. you were in the original group buy on DT, right? if those are the same SS plates i got, then you must have done your build with a GON or B.87 pcb.Where did you buy plates that didn't fit?
yep, that's exactly it, JD. thanks for posting the pictures. you were in the original group buy on DT, right? if those are the same SS plates i got, then you must have done your build with a GON or B.87 pcb.Where did you buy plates that didn't fit?
Ah ok. I don't follow DT much anymore.yep, that's exactly it, JD. thanks for posting the pictures. you were in the original group buy on DT, right? if those are the same SS plates i got, then you must have done your build with a GON or B.87 pcb.Where did you buy plates that didn't fit?
There was a DT GB for what seemed like an inexpensive set of plates for a skeleton-style TKL, which people assumed fit the Phantom.
Top row fitment didn't work out... Left everyone with plates they couldn't Phantom. People can turn to GON PCBs, but that's kind of expensive for what the board intended to be. Hope I captured it correctly!
yep, that's exactly it, JD. thanks for posting the pictures. you were in the original group buy on DT, right? if those are the same SS plates i got, then you must have done your build with a GON or B.87 pcb.
There was a JD Skeleton made in the past with a Phantom inside. :)
TIL
Do you need plate drawings? Sources for the hardware?
yep, that's exactly it, JD. thanks for posting the pictures. you were in the original group buy on DT, right? if those are the same SS plates i got, then you must have done your build with a GON or B.87 pcb.Where did you buy plates that didn't fit?
There was a DT GB for what seemed like an inexpensive set of plates for a skeleton-style TKL, which people assumed fit the Phantom.
Top row fitment didn't work out... Left everyone with plates they couldn't Phantom. People can turn to GON PCBs, but that's kind of expensive for what the board intended to be. Hope I captured it correctly!
Might want to check out aliexpress or alibaba (for large quantities) so you don't need to proxy from taobao on the led's
Might want to check out aliexpress or alibaba (for large quantities) so you don't need to proxy from taobao on the led's
Many of the eBay dealers will work with you if you need larger quantities. Their english is decent enough to work a transaction with. I got 1800 1.8mm LEDs shipped ePacket for roughly $66, when the base prices were 0.05/ea or 0.10/ea for the LEDs.
Woooo!
If you need assistance for this project, feel free to PM me.
Switches yes, stabilisers no.Woooo!
If you need assistance for this project, feel free to PM me.
Thanks, LeandreN! do you have any sources for switches and stabilizers? I'm thinking probly Gateron...
Interested, I was in the DT GB as well, and I rather spend $100 ish on everything than on a single gon board tbh.
A kit like this for under $100 is fantastic.
Though I wouldn't skimp where there would be small increases, as I think most would be happy to pay a tad more [I'm not implying that you are skimping, just making a statement].
...but yeah, I'd be in for this, even though I'm about to have a house move; this is just too cheap to pass up!
Brilliant work so far, roostrc0gburn.
I'm in. Was just looking into a phantom based TKL this week.
I have to agree about pricing and extra features. If we could pay a bit more to get a nicer case or other changes Id be willing too.
A kit like this for under $100 is fantastic.
Though I wouldn't skimp where there would be small increases, as I think most would be happy to pay a tad more [I'm not implying that you are skimping, just making a statement].
...but yeah, I'd be in for this, even though I'm about to have a house move; this is just too cheap to pass up!
Brilliant work so far, roostrc0gburn.I'm in. Was just looking into a phantom based TKL this week.
I have to agree about pricing and extra features. If we could pay a bit more to get a nicer case or other changes Id be willing too.
Thanks, guys. I agree. We want a quality product. I dont see any reason why this kit couldn't be under/around $100 though. That is what I'm shooting for
A kit like this for under $100 is fantastic.
Though I wouldn't skimp where there would be small increases, as I think most would be happy to pay a tad more [I'm not implying that you are skimping, just making a statement].
...but yeah, I'd be in for this, even though I'm about to have a house move; this is just too cheap to pass up!
Brilliant work so far, roostrc0gburn.I'm in. Was just looking into a phantom based TKL this week.
I have to agree about pricing and extra features. If we could pay a bit more to get a nicer case or other changes Id be willing too.
Thanks, guys. I agree. We want a quality product. I dont see any reason why this kit couldn't be under/around $100 though. That is what I'm shooting for
Brilliant to hear that!
Additionally, you may want to change the checkboxes to radio buttons, given that they are 'Yes or No' responses, as - in their current state - the form can be submitted with both of each checked. :)
A kit like this for under $100 is fantastic.
Though I wouldn't skimp where there would be small increases, as I think most would be happy to pay a tad more [I'm not implying that you are skimping, just making a statement].
...but yeah, I'd be in for this, even though I'm about to have a house move; this is just too cheap to pass up!
Brilliant work so far, roostrc0gburn.I'm in. Was just looking into a phantom based TKL this week.
I have to agree about pricing and extra features. If we could pay a bit more to get a nicer case or other changes Id be willing too.
Thanks, guys. I agree. We want a quality product. I dont see any reason why this kit couldn't be under/around $100 though. That is what I'm shooting for
Brilliant to hear that!
Additionally, you may want to change the checkboxes to radio buttons, given that they are 'Yes or No' responses, as - in their current state - the form can be submitted with both of each checked. :)
thanks for that! this is a first time for many things :-D
A kit like this for under $100 is fantastic.
Though I wouldn't skimp where there would be small increases, as I think most would be happy to pay a tad more [I'm not implying that you are skimping, just making a statement].
...but yeah, I'd be in for this, even though I'm about to have a house move; this is just too cheap to pass up!
Brilliant work so far, roostrc0gburn.I'm in. Was just looking into a phantom based TKL this week.
I have to agree about pricing and extra features. If we could pay a bit more to get a nicer case or other changes Id be willing too.
Thanks, guys. I agree. We want a quality product. I dont see any reason why this kit couldn't be under/around $100 though. That is what I'm shooting for
Brilliant to hear that!
Additionally, you may want to change the checkboxes to radio buttons, given that they are 'Yes or No' responses, as - in their current state - the form can be submitted with both of each checked. :)
thanks for that! this is a first time for many things :-D
Hehe.
Also, just a personal thing... I'd like to see the switches and stabilisers in the interest form separated, as it's easy for me to get switches at a fairly affordable price [Gaterons] but a bit tricky to get stabilisers, so being able to split up what I want would be great.
Thanks in advance! :)
A kit like this for under $100 is fantastic.
Though I wouldn't skimp where there would be small increases, as I think most would be happy to pay a tad more [I'm not implying that you are skimping, just making a statement].
...but yeah, I'd be in for this, even though I'm about to have a house move; this is just too cheap to pass up!
Brilliant work so far, roostrc0gburn.I'm in. Was just looking into a phantom based TKL this week.
I have to agree about pricing and extra features. If we could pay a bit more to get a nicer case or other changes Id be willing too.
Thanks, guys. I agree. We want a quality product. I dont see any reason why this kit couldn't be under/around $100 though. That is what I'm shooting for
Brilliant to hear that!
Additionally, you may want to change the checkboxes to radio buttons, given that they are 'Yes or No' responses, as - in their current state - the form can be submitted with both of each checked. :)
thanks for that! this is a first time for many things :-D
Hehe.
Also, just a personal thing... I'd like to see the switches and stabilisers in the interest form separated, as it's easy for me to get switches at a fairly affordable price [Gaterons] but a bit tricky to get stabilisers, so being able to split up what I want would be great.
Thanks in advance! :)
i agree on this one also. We just have to find a vendor first! looks LeandreN will be able to help with the switches.
you could just order plates if thats all you need
you could just order plates if thats all you need
Please.
Which plates are you planning on producing?
Can I only ask for 1 plate? The top? I want a wood case with a metal/aluminum plate on the top, and the plate is like you have :p how i put only the top plate on the IC?
I want the top Plate, the PCB the Teensy 2.0 Controller, the diodes and the LED's for Caps... The switchs depends the price of them...
Thanks and I hope the GB runs
Submitted IC!
you could just order plates if thats all you need
Please.
Which plates are you planning on producing?
Working on a render this week, but see JDCarpe's photos for reference for now.Can I only ask for 1 plate? The top? I want a wood case with a metal/aluminum plate on the top, and the plate is like you have :p how i put only the top plate on the IC?
I want the top Plate, the PCB the Teensy 2.0 Controller, the diodes and the LED's for Caps... The switchs depends the price of them...
Thanks and I hope the GB runs
Thanks for the interest :-) plates will be sold in sets - top and bottom. If you haven't already, please fill out the form linked in OP
I'm interested in one, and maybe a base plate, but not knowing what styles you plan on producing don't feel it would be fair to put my name down as a yes - only to turn to rescind at a later date if you're not producing the layout I want.
If you're okay with Costar, they are very inexpensive from WASD.
Doesn't Zeal have stabilisers in his store? Maybe only worth it if you are buying Zealios because of the shipping cost.
Will this need standoffs for the LEDs?
I'm only really interested if there's baseplates/standoffs included. A non universal plate is actually preferred for me.
I'm only really interested if there's baseplates/standoffs included. A non universal plate is actually preferred for me.
I'm only really interested if there's baseplates/standoffs included. A non universal plate is actually preferred for me.I'm only really interested if there's baseplates/standoffs included. A non universal plate is actually preferred for me.
yes, plates must be orders in sets - top and bottom. you can easily source standoffs and screws yourself from McMaster Carr. Here's links to what I will use:
Standoffs: http://www.mcmaster.com/mv1453753815/#91125a613/=10wbq69 (http://www.mcmaster.com/mv1453753815/#91125a613/=10wbq69)
Screws: http://www.mcmaster.com/mv1453753815/#90910a710/=10wbq8f (http://www.mcmaster.com/mv1453753815/#90910a710/=10wbq8f)
I hadn't checked on that Deskthority thread in a white because I was so annoyed with the "resolution" of that GB, haha. Glad to hear you're still looking to produce the plates! In for one :thumb:
A question on the standoffs and screws for whoever has experience to answer this: a 1/2 inch standoff like this (http://www.mcmaster.com/mv1453753815/#91125a435/=10xw3et) should be enough clearance, correct? Also, would a GON-style countersink screw link this (http://www.mcmaster.com/mv1453753815/#92703a203/=10xw38w) sit relatively flush to the hole, or would I have to look for a screw that's much smaller and has a head that's just larger than the holes on the plate? And if the latter, I guess my question is then how large are the holes for the screws on the plate?
Thanks in advance!
I hadn't checked on that Deskthority thread in a white because I was so annoyed with the "resolution" of that GB, haha. Glad to hear you're still looking to produce the plates! In for one :thumb:
A question on the standoffs and screws for whoever has experience to answer this: a 1/2 inch standoff like this (http://www.mcmaster.com/mv1453753815/#91125a435/=10xw3et) should be enough clearance, correct? Also, would a GON-style countersink screw link this (http://www.mcmaster.com/mv1453753815/#92703a203/=10xw38w) sit relatively flush to the hole, or would I have to look for a screw that's much smaller and has a head that's just larger than the holes on the plate? And if the latter, I guess my question is then how large are the holes for the screws on the plate?
Thanks in advance!
bolt holes are 0.0650" (1/16 = 0.0625) Holes will not be countersunk. Your standoffs are fine. I suggested some hardware earlier in the thread. When this goes to GB I will be sure to list all the (suggested) parts, where to get them, and how much they cost.
Not a fan of winkeyless myself. Probably would only buy if its standard ansi.
The strike out on PCB and controller means that they won't available in the GB anymore?
I recommend considering JD's offer as he can help with plates to meet International layouts too (if desired).
I recommend considering JD's offer as he can help with plates to meet International layouts too (if desired).
yes, a good suggestion. i wanted to keep this simple in the beginning, but perhaps offering multiple layouts could gain interest. i dont know if multiple patterns will add complexity (price) to the order, or if it even matters.
since we'll be stuck in IC for a couple more weeks, i will put up a poll for multiple layouts. can i get suggestions?
I'm in for one of these BTW.
Please let me know if this is going to happen.
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I recommend considering JD's offer as he can help with plates to meet International layouts too (if desired).
yes, a good suggestion. i wanted to keep this simple in the beginning, but perhaps offering multiple layouts could gain interest. i dont know if multiple patterns will add complexity (price) to the order, or if it even matters.
since we'll be stuck in IC for a couple more weeks, i will put up a poll for multiple layouts. can i get suggestions?
I honestly think you'll need four major ones--ANSI 1.25, ANSI 1.5 WKL, ISO 1.25 and ISO 1.5 WKL.
I hope you could consider including the 7BIT plate as an option. I'd go for even multiple if that helps the case. Being able to get a split space is so rare and the Phantom would offer it but not being able to get the plates anywhere keeps me from building one.
I hope you could consider including the 7BIT plate as an option. I'd go for even multiple if that helps the case. Being able to get a split space is so rare and the Phantom would offer it but not being able to get the plates anywhere keeps me from building one.
If you (or JD) have a CAD file for the layout, it would be pretty easy. I talked to the plate fab shop agian today to confirm prices and lead times. they can do pretty much any TKL layout we want (within reason) for the same price. they can also do aluminum and have some basic finishing capabilities. I am not familiar with the 7BIT layout, so please enlighten me
OP has been updated
Which better? steel or aluminum?
Which better? steel or aluminum?
steel is harder but aluminum wont rust but you can paint either or anodize them. so it could be a toss up.
aluminum is softer and is faster/easier to machine out if your using a CNC.
just depends on the manufacturing or your requirements for the part.
Which better? steel or aluminum?
steel is harder but aluminum wont rust but you can paint either or anodize them. so it could be a toss up.
aluminum is softer and is faster/easier to machine out if your using a CNC.
just depends on the manufacturing or your requirements for the part.
these are all great points, but let me add some perspective - these parts will all be lazered, so material type is almost moot. stainless steel will be heavier and more rigid, which is better for linear switches. aluminum has a bit of flex, which is better for tactile or clicky switches. The aluminum plates available will not be anodized. aluminum will oxidize, but at a very slow rate. nevertheless, i would still suggest that people who select an aluminum plate provide some layer of protection - anodizing or painting. the steel plates will be stainless #304, so oxidization is not an issue.
Is anyone proxying in Europe?
Does the Phantom PCB need diodes? I thought you only need those when you do manual wiring in the form of a matrix.
Does the Phantom PCB need diodes? I thought you only need those when you do manual wiring in the form of a matrix.
Any keyboard with anti-ghosting and/or more than 2KRO has diodes. Many newer PCBs have SMD diodes installed at the factory, but the Phantom was designed with through hole intentions. So yes, you have to solder the diodes in during assembly. It's not hard at all.
Does the Phantom PCB need diodes? I thought you only need those when you do manual wiring in the form of a matrix.
Any keyboard with anti-ghosting and/or more than 2KRO has diodes. Many newer PCBs have SMD diodes installed at the factory, but the Phantom was designed with through hole intentions. So yes, you have to solder the diodes in during assembly. It's not hard at all.
Would we be able to order pieces of the kit?
Thanks for your hard work on the project! :D
So psyched about this, it's happening this weekend right? :)
so can we get custom sw - like ergo clear or black 60g?
So psyched about this, it's happening this weekend right? :)
i would like to start it this weekend, but i'm not quite ready to start taking orders. still trying to procure a solid vendor for stabilizers. i would also like to offer gateron switches if possible
as soon as i get it all locked in, we're ready to launch :thumb:
The survey to me suggests that switches and stabilizers come in a package deal, is that the case? I'd prefer to just get stabilizers.
:v hope we can get ZEALIO SWITCHES hehe. anw hope thing start soon.... cant wait anymore..
OP, how's it going? :)
Doesn't Zeal have stabilisers in his store? Maybe only worth it if you are buying Zealios because of the shipping cost.
If you're okay with Costar, they are very inexpensive from WASD.
Will this need standoffs for the LEDs?
You could also opt to use the in-switch LED option for the locking keys instead of the a Filco positions. It's preference and both are supported.
Maybe do pinholes, similar to the Orion v2 at the Filco LED positions? Would be cool.
You could also opt to use the in-switch LED option for the locking keys instead of the a Filco positions. It's preference and both are supported.
Maybe do pinholes, similar to the Orion v2 at the Filco LED positions? Would be cool.
pinholes are what we have now. I dont think I will be making any more changes to the plate design unless there is some flaw
Get that GB thread approved!
Get that GB thread approved!
I DONT KNOW HOW!
Doesn't Zeal have stabilisers in his store? Maybe only worth it if you are buying Zealios because of the shipping cost.
Doesn't Zeal have stabilisers in his store? Maybe only worth it if you are buying Zealios because of the shipping cost.
Issue with Phantom PCB is that it requires plate-mount switches and plate-mount stabilizers. I don't think Zeal has plate-mount stabilizers. Cheapest solution is going to be purchasing 6.25U wire (or 7U wire) on eBay and then finding plate-mount hardware to get Cherry G99 stabilizers, else force everyone to use Costar (which will not jive well with the Cherry Profile keycap crowd. :(
Doesn't Zeal have stabilisers in his store? Maybe only worth it if you are buying Zealios because of the shipping cost.
Issue with Phantom PCB is that it requires plate-mount switches and plate-mount stabilizers. I don't think Zeal has plate-mount stabilizers. Cheapest solution is going to be purchasing 6.25U wire (or 7U wire) on eBay and then finding plate-mount hardware to get Cherry G99 stabilizers, else force everyone to use Costar (which will not jive well with the Cherry Profile keycap crowd. :(
Doesn't Zeal have stabilisers in his store? Maybe only worth it if you are buying Zealios because of the shipping cost.
Issue with Phantom PCB is that it requires plate-mount switches and plate-mount stabilizers. I don't think Zeal has plate-mount stabilizers. Cheapest solution is going to be purchasing 6.25U wire (or 7U wire) on eBay and then finding plate-mount hardware to get Cherry G99 stabilizers, else force everyone to use Costar (which will not jive well with the Cherry Profile keycap crowd. :(
I am a fan of thick Cherry profile PBT and Costar stabilizers and the only time I had a compatibility issue was when I was using a plate that clearly wasn't cut well enough to support the Costar. This was basically proven when I pulled the stabilizers out of my Filco to try out. Meanwhile, I popped those same "incompatible" stabilizers into the Filco, also flawless operation. I have had both Filco and WASD boards with Cherry profile thick PBT, the plate with the issue was from a group buy.
I am pretty sure the only time stabilizers grind keys is when the cutout in the plate isn't large enough, which ends up compressing the stabilizer pegs slightly. This leads to the wire itself being somewhat out of an ideal position and grinding the cap.