[IC] Phantom Skeleton Kit

[asura]

you could just order plates if thats all you need

Please.

Which plates are you planning on producing?

[afonsoocosta]

Can I only ask for 1 plate? The top? I want a wood case with a metal/aluminum plate on the top, and the plate is like you have how i put only the top plate on the IC?

I want the top Plate, the PCB the Teensy 2.0 Controller, the diodes and the LED's for Caps... The switchs depends the price of them...

Thanks and I hope the GB runs

[cryptokey]

I'd be interested.

[roostrc0gburn]

you could just order plates if thats all you need

Please.

Which plates are you planning on producing?

Working on a render this week, but see JDCarpe's photos for reference for now.

Can I only ask for 1 plate? The top? I want a wood case with a metal/aluminum plate on the top, and the plate is like you have how i put only the top plate on the IC?

I want the top Plate, the PCB the Teensy 2.0 Controller, the diodes and the LED's for Caps... The switchs depends the price of them...

Thanks and I hope the GB runs

Thanks for the interest :-) plates will be sold in sets - top and bottom. If you haven't already, please fill out the form linked in OP

[roostrc0gburn]

Submitted IC!

Thanks! Input from the forms will set prices when this goes to group buy.

[roostrc0gburn]

so far, we only have 14 orders + mine. this is probably enough to do the plates, but not enough orders to really get a price break on anything else.

[asura]

you could just order plates if thats all you need

Please.

Which plates are you planning on producing?

Working on a render this week, but see JDCarpe's photos for reference for now.

Can I only ask for 1 plate? The top? I want a wood case with a metal/aluminum plate on the top, and the plate is like you have how i put only the top plate on the IC?

I want the top Plate, the PCB the Teensy 2.0 Controller, the diodes and the LED's for Caps... The switchs depends the price of them...

Thanks and I hope the GB runs

Thanks for the interest :-) plates will be sold in sets - top and bottom. If you haven't already, please fill out the form linked in OP

ANSI 1.25
ANSI 1.5
ISO 1.25
ISO 1.5
7BIT
PROF 1.25
PROF 1.5





I was part of the round 2 buy, and have everything except my plate* - a PROF 1.5.  I keep meaning to get one made (or a unique layout which I'd prefer even more) however, crap keeps getting in the way.

*having only ordered the plate and PCB half my order just vanished into...

[roostrc0gburn]

FYI erybody.

I'll leave this IC up for the rest of the week and probably post to reddit to see if there's any more interest over there. From the feedback so far, looks like we're doing just plates. Group Buy will start early Feb. I still have some stuff to do to set up before we can run

[UsualSuspectXXX]

Just plates? Welp, count me out.

[roostrc0gburn]

so... 14 plates

[asura]

I'm interested in one, and maybe a base plate, but not knowing what styles you plan on producing don't feel it would be fair to put my name down as a yes - only to turn to rescind at a later date if you're not producing the layout I want.

[roostrc0gburn]

I'm interested in one, and maybe a base plate, but not knowing what styles you plan on producing don't feel it would be fair to put my name down as a yes - only to turn to rescind at a later date if you're not producing the layout I want.

you're right - i never did specify. sorry! as of right now, I have developed a CAD file for standard ANSI layout. I modified it slightly to have a winkeyless plate made also. Other layouts are possible, but probably outside the scope of this little group buy. PM me if you want something else made. we might be able to do it

[Dernubenfrieken]

I'm only really interested if there's baseplates/standoffs included. A non universal plate is actually preferred for me.

[roostrc0gburn]

If you're okay with Costar, they are very inexpensive from WASD.

Doesn't Zeal have stabilisers in his store? Maybe only worth it if you are buying Zealios because of the shipping cost.

Will this need standoffs for the LEDs?

I'm only really interested if there's baseplates/standoffs included. A non universal plate is actually preferred for me.

I'm only really interested if there's baseplates/standoffs included. A non universal plate is actually preferred for me.

yes, plates must be orders in sets - top and bottom. you can easily source standoffs and screws yourself from McMaster Carr.

[Dernubenfrieken]

I'm only really interested if there's baseplates/standoffs included. A non universal plate is actually preferred for me.

I'm only really interested if there's baseplates/standoffs included. A non universal plate is actually preferred for me.

yes, plates must be orders in sets - top and bottom. you can easily source standoffs and screws yourself from McMaster Carr. Here's links to what I will use:
Standoffs: http://www.mcmaster.com/mv1453753815/#91125a613/=10wbq69
Screws: http://www.mcmaster.com/mv1453753815/#90910a710/=10wbq8f

That sounds perfect then.

[ehwc]

I hadn't checked on that Deskthority thread in a white because I was so annoyed with the "resolution" of that GB, haha. Glad to hear you're still looking to produce the plates! In for one

A question on the standoffs and screws for whoever has experience to answer this: a 1/2 inch standoff like this should be enough clearance, correct? Also, would a GON-style countersink screw link this sit relatively flush to the hole, or would I have to look for a screw that's much smaller and has a head that's just larger than the holes on the plate? And if the latter, I guess my question is then how large are the holes for the screws on the plate?

Thanks in advance!

[roostrc0gburn]

I hadn't checked on that Deskthority thread in a white because I was so annoyed with the "resolution" of that GB, haha. Glad to hear you're still looking to produce the plates! In for one

A question on the standoffs and screws for whoever has experience to answer this: a 1/2 inch standoff like this should be enough clearance, correct? Also, would a GON-style countersink screw link this sit relatively flush to the hole, or would I have to look for a screw that's much smaller and has a head that's just larger than the holes on the plate? And if the latter, I guess my question is then how large are the holes for the screws on the plate?

Thanks in advance!

bolt holes are 0.0650" (1/16 = 0.0625) Holes will not be countersunk. Your standoffs are fine. I suggested some hardware earlier in the thread. When this goes to GB I will be sure to list all the (suggested) parts, where to get them, and how much they cost.

[ehwc]

I hadn't checked on that Deskthority thread in a white because I was so annoyed with the "resolution" of that GB, haha. Glad to hear you're still looking to produce the plates! In for one

A question on the standoffs and screws for whoever has experience to answer this: a 1/2 inch standoff like this should be enough clearance, correct? Also, would a GON-style countersink screw link this sit relatively flush to the hole, or would I have to look for a screw that's much smaller and has a head that's just larger than the holes on the plate? And if the latter, I guess my question is then how large are the holes for the screws on the plate?

Thanks in advance!

bolt holes are 0.0650" (1/16 = 0.0625) Holes will not be countersunk. Your standoffs are fine. I suggested some hardware earlier in the thread. When this goes to GB I will be sure to list all the (suggested) parts, where to get them, and how much they cost.

Thanks!

[roostrc0gburn]

update bump. check OP

[Dernubenfrieken]

Not a fan of winkeyless myself. Probably would only buy if its standard ansi.

[tuco]

Not a fan of winkeyless myself. Probably would only buy if its standard ansi.

Me too.

[roostrc0gburn]

roger that. i think i will be able to make both layouts available in either stainless or aluminum

[TalkingTree]

The strike out on PCB and controller means that they won't available in the GB anymore?

[roostrc0gburn]

The strike out on PCB and controller means that they won't available in the GB anymore?

i crossed them out with the assumption that we dont have enough people to get a significant discount on those items. I am currently trying to determine if we can get a complete set in the ~ $100-$120 range before starting the Group Buy phase, so this could change.

small update, GB will be starting in a couple weeks. the delay is mainly due to chinese new year

[TurtleHat]

I'm interested in an ANSIWIN Phantom plate, but it doesn't look like that's on the table here. Maybe if there's a future group buy.

[axtran]

I recommend considering JD's offer as he can help with plates to meet International layouts too (if desired).

[roostrc0gburn]

I recommend considering JD's offer as he can help with plates to meet International layouts too (if desired).

yes, a good suggestion. i wanted to keep this simple in the beginning, but perhaps offering multiple layouts could gain interest. i dont know if multiple patterns will add complexity (price) to the order, or if it even matters.

since we'll be stuck in IC for a couple more weeks, i will put up a poll for multiple layouts. can i get suggestions?

[axtran]

I recommend considering JD's offer as he can help with plates to meet International layouts too (if desired).

yes, a good suggestion. i wanted to keep this simple in the beginning, but perhaps offering multiple layouts could gain interest. i dont know if multiple patterns will add complexity (price) to the order, or if it even matters.

since we'll be stuck in IC for a couple more weeks, i will put up a poll for multiple layouts. can i get suggestions?

I honestly think you'll need four major ones--ANSI 1.25, ANSI 1.5 WKL, ISO 1.25 and ISO 1.5 WKL.

[skiwithpete]

I'm in for one of these BTW.

Please let me know if this is going to happen.

P

[roostrc0gburn]

I'm in for one of these BTW.

Please let me know if this is going to happen.

P

definitely going to happen - just a question of when (after chinese new year), what all people want, and what we can get

[mrging]

i'm in , cant wait to see this GB happen

[roostrc0gburn]

I recommend considering JD's offer as he can help with plates to meet International layouts too (if desired).

yes, a good suggestion. i wanted to keep this simple in the beginning, but perhaps offering multiple layouts could gain interest. i dont know if multiple patterns will add complexity (price) to the order, or if it even matters.

since we'll be stuck in IC for a couple more weeks, i will put up a poll for multiple layouts. can i get suggestions?

I honestly think you'll need four major ones--ANSI 1.25, ANSI 1.5 WKL, ISO 1.25 and ISO 1.5 WKL.

@jdcarpe,  sent you a PM on this.

[kebby]

I hope you could consider including the 7BIT plate as an option. I'd go for even multiple if that helps the case. Being able to get a split space is so rare and the Phantom would offer it but not being able to get the plates anywhere keeps me from building one.

[roostrc0gburn]

I hope you could consider including the 7BIT plate as an option. I'd go for even multiple if that helps the case. Being able to get a split space is so rare and the Phantom would offer it but not being able to get the plates anywhere keeps me from building one.

If you (or JD) have a CAD file for the layout, it would be pretty easy. I talked to the plate fab shop agian today to confirm prices and lead times. they can do pretty much any TKL layout we want (within reason) for the same price. they can also do aluminum and have some basic finishing capabilities. I am not familiar with the 7BIT layout, so please enlighten me

OP has been updated

[kebby]

I hope you could consider including the 7BIT plate as an option. I'd go for even multiple if that helps the case. Being able to get a split space is so rare and the Phantom would offer it but not being able to get the plates anywhere keeps me from building one.

If you (or JD) have a CAD file for the layout, it would be pretty easy. I talked to the plate fab shop agian today to confirm prices and lead times. they can do pretty much any TKL layout we want (within reason) for the same price. they can also do aluminum and have some basic finishing capabilities. I am not familiar with the 7BIT layout, so please enlighten me

OP has been updated

Looks like you could get the CAD files for it and some other Phantom plates here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47744

The default variant is shown here https://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom and there's also a download for some CAD files but it looks like it's a less complete archive.

[mrging]

Which better? steel or aluminum?

[mrbishop]

Which better? steel or aluminum?

steel is harder but aluminum wont rust  but you can paint either or anodize them. so it could be a toss up.

aluminum is softer and is faster/easier to machine out if your using a CNC.

just depends on the manufacturing or your requirements for the part.

[roostrc0gburn]

Which better? steel or aluminum?

steel is harder but aluminum wont rust  but you can paint either or anodize them. so it could be a toss up.

aluminum is softer and is faster/easier to machine out if your using a CNC.

just depends on the manufacturing or your requirements for the part.

these are all great points, but let me add some perspective - these parts will all be lazered, so material type is almost moot. stainless steel will be heavier and more rigid, which is better for linear switches. aluminum has a bit of flex, which is better for tactile or clicky switches. The aluminum plates available will not be anodized. aluminum will oxidize, but at a very slow rate. nevertheless, i would still suggest that people who select an aluminum plate provide some layer of protection - anodizing or painting. the steel plates will be stainless #304, so oxidization is not an issue.

[mrbishop]

Which better? steel or aluminum?

steel is harder but aluminum wont rust  but you can paint either or anodize them. so it could be a toss up.

aluminum is softer and is faster/easier to machine out if your using a CNC.

just depends on the manufacturing or your requirements for the part.

these are all great points, but let me add some perspective - these parts will all be lazered, so material type is almost moot. stainless steel will be heavier and more rigid, which is better for linear switches. aluminum has a bit of flex, which is better for tactile or clicky switches. The aluminum plates available will not be anodized. aluminum will oxidize, but at a very slow rate. nevertheless, i would still suggest that people who select an aluminum plate provide some layer of protection - anodizing or painting. the steel plates will be stainless #304, so oxidization is not an issue.

 

[mrging]

hmmm nice, but how about shipping? shipping to vietnam cost how much ?

[braidn]

Hmm, if there was a 7bit option thrown in here, especially with WKL... I might have to be in.

[mrging]

hmm.. what is ansi 1.25 and 1.5 diff? bottom row?

[kenshinjeff]

Filled up the form : )

[00zeRO]

+1

[roostrc0gburn]

Update Bump!

you wanted layouts? You got layouts! OP updated. Also, it might again be possible to offer kits for a full keyboard! all parts included! i'm psyched on this

it's happening, guys!

[roostrc0gburn]

update bump. OP updated

we will now have all the parts needed to build the keyboard available in the group buy - except stabilizers. if anyone knows of a source, please PM me. even if they are not included in the group buy, i would like to be able to point people in the right direction to find all the parts to build the board.

still finishing up a couple things. it has been my goal to start the GB this week, but that may be a little rushed. I will try for this weekend, but if not - next week is looking pretty doable.

Thanks everyone!

[TalkingTree]

Is anyone proxying in Europe?

[roostrc0gburn]

Is anyone proxying in Europe?

i haven't heard anyone volunteer, but i bet there are a couple people we could ask...

[mark_thaddeus]

I'm interested and did the survey!

[s3vv4]

Does the Phantom PCB need diodes? I thought you only need those when you do manual wiring in the form of a matrix.