Post by: Zeal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 02:50:06
Hey guys, due to a few scheduled timeline requirements, R2 Zealio switch GB is now live! Thanks everyone for your patience and sorry about the wait!
For Round 2, three new things have been introduced:
- 78g spring weight now offered!
- Zealio stems are now a different shades of purple (lighter to darker) to make it easier to differentiate!
- 65g Zealios with transparent tops + milky white bottom housings in plate mount are now available. These switches can withstand the high heat of factory wave soldering and are super friendly for beginner solderers!
A better image will be provided once samples arrive. For now, this will have to do~
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/products/r2zealios.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/1SkvKBo.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/JAMGkqg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WUdOzTR.jpg)(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/products/mcp80id.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 05:52:55
(http://puu.sh/nqdcc/85ee30461c.jpg)
R1 on left, R2 on right.
(http://puu.sh/nrPe6/9cbabab979.jpg)
March 7 update:
Switches are currently in production and are scheduled to complete on March 15/16.
March 17 update:
Switches are ready and are currently being packed, ready for import.
March 22 update:
First half of shipment has been picked up by DHL. ETA of switches and delivery on Wednesday & Thursday.
March 23 update:
First half of shipment has arrived.
March 28 update:
Second half of shipment has arrived, items have started shipping out today
April 13 update:
All pre-orders shipped out. GB complete.
Post by: Odus on Sun, 17 January 2016, 06:04:20
Two questions - Are you going to have these stocked in the store at the regular $1.00 price after the drop, and are you going to be offering the lubed variant?
If you have them stocked in the store afterward, is it going to be more permanent than it was before, or will it only be a leftover type of thing?
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 06:09:04
I've been trying to get ahold of these for so long. Thanks Zeal!
Two questions - Are you going to have these stocked in the store at the regular $1.00 price after the drop, and are you going to be offering the lubed variant?
If you have them stocked in the store afterward, is it going to be more permanent than it was before, or will it only be a leftover type of thing?
There will be leftovers stocked in the store at $1 after the GB price. There was supposed to be plenty left, but MD swept up the remaining stock which made it seem like they disappeared. Once R2 sells out, perhaps a R3 GB will happen. :)
Lubed variants will not be offered as how much lube to use is subjective, and these switches are already smoother than Cherry will ever be. Only a tiny bit of factory lube is applied at the tip of the slider feet.
Post by: LeandreN on Sun, 17 January 2016, 06:16:21
Post by: appleonama on Sun, 17 January 2016, 06:23:13
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 17 January 2016, 06:24:25
Woo! 78gs ordered :D
65s here! What a way to force myself to build a custom board.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 06:26:32
I have 62 ergo clears with spirit gold plated spring and they feel a bit heavier than 65g zealios is that normal? Should I go with 67g?
That shouldn't be the case... Zealios being smoother can make it feel like the switch is lighter though, but 62g and 65g should be easily distinguishable.
Post by: appleonama on Sun, 17 January 2016, 06:32:13
I have 62 ergo clears with spirit gold plated spring and they feel a bit heavier than 65g zealios is that normal? Should I go with 67g?
That shouldn't be the case... Zealios being smoother can make it feel like the switch is lighter though, but 62g and 65g should be easily distinguishable.
You are right I just did a weight test. The zealios being smooth make it feel lighter. I still don't know if I should go with 67g :confused:
Post by: lanyusea on Sun, 17 January 2016, 06:54:38
I have 62 ergo clears with spirit gold plated spring and they feel a bit heavier than 65g zealios is that normal? Should I go with 67g?
That shouldn't be the case... Zealios being smoother can make it feel like the switch is lighter though, but 62g and 65g should be easily distinguishable.
You are right I just did a weight test. The zealios being smooth make it feel lighter. I still don't know if I should go with 67g :confused:
maybe you could try the 78g version. :thumb:
Post by: appleonama on Sun, 17 January 2016, 07:02:19
I know 78g would be way too heavy I only use 78g on my space barI have 62 ergo clears with spirit gold plated spring and they feel a bit heavier than 65g zealios is that normal? Should I go with 67g?
That shouldn't be the case... Zealios being smoother can make it feel like the switch is lighter though, but 62g and 65g should be easily distinguishable.
You are right I just did a weight test. The zealios being smooth make it feel lighter. I still don't know if I should go with 67g :confused:
maybe you could try the 78g version. :thumb:
Post by: asgeirtj on Sun, 17 January 2016, 07:34:03
Post by: appleonama on Sun, 17 January 2016, 07:35:15
Post by: Adriel on Sun, 17 January 2016, 07:57:07
Post by: Waateva on Sun, 17 January 2016, 08:47:01
Post by: UTEster750 on Sun, 17 January 2016, 09:01:16
Is the chattering issue fixed?
Zeal said that the moulds have been tweaked and that the issue should be now fixed. :)
Really want to order some 78g even though I have no need for them :(
Guess that means I need to find a new keyboard preject! :D
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 17 January 2016, 09:02:14
Post by: iss on Sun, 17 January 2016, 09:11:16
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Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 17 January 2016, 11:12:57
Post by: fangs on Sun, 17 January 2016, 11:27:57
so if anyone could do this pm me! I live in Eu - Denmark if that helps :)
I would gladly pay 30-40€ for that...
Post by: piemancoder on Sun, 17 January 2016, 11:31:41
Post by: Waateva on Sun, 17 January 2016, 11:32:52
This is probably a really noob question, but can you us plate mounted switches with a PCB?
Yes, I think you just have to remove two of the legs on the switches.
Post by: piemancoder on Sun, 17 January 2016, 11:34:12
This is probably a really noob question, but can you us plate mounted switches with a PCB?
Yes, I think you just have to remove two of the legs on the switches.
OK, thanks! Hope to order soon :thumb:
Post by: xxxkaliboyxxx on Sun, 17 January 2016, 11:58:24
Edit: read that it should withstand high heat, so the other switches are less tolerant to high heat? Confused =(
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 17 January 2016, 12:00:34
Ordered! Question, I never solder switches before so I ordered the milky bottom, do they make soldering switches easier? And how so? Sorry for the noob question.
They don't make soldering easier per-se but the milky bottoms are more heat resistant and less prone to be melted than the full transparent bottoms.
Post by: xxxkaliboyxxx on Sun, 17 January 2016, 12:06:50
Ordered! Question, I never solder switches before so I ordered the milky bottom, do they make soldering switches easier? And how so? Sorry for the noob question.
They don't make soldering easier per-se but the milky bottoms are more heat resistant and less prone to be melted than the full transparent bottoms.
Thank you for the quick response. So for a first timer like me, a little more elbow room if I stay on too long soldering. Got it =)
Post by: Zapheo on Sun, 17 January 2016, 12:15:04
Post by: aaron6301 on Sun, 17 January 2016, 12:19:40
I plan on using only a few of the 78's for spacebar so if anyone plans on doing the same and doesn't want to order 10, PM me and can send you a few :thumb:
Post by: StarPupil on Sun, 17 January 2016, 13:06:00
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 17 January 2016, 13:09:01
Looks good! Here's a few questions for you: How much is shipping to the US, and do you think that 160 of these would weigh enough to drive that price up? Thanks!
I'm pretty sure there is only one shipping that Zeal provides which is DHL Express(1 day shipping) for $15, unless it has changed since round 1 but I doubt it.
Post by: profet on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:00:54
This is probably a really noob question, but can you us plate mounted switches with a PCB?
Yes, I think you just have to remove two of the legs on the switches.
Actually the opposite. PCB mount switches have two extra plastic legs that snap into a PCB and keep the switch from rotating.
Plate mount switches laxk these legs as the plate keeps the switches in place.
Plate mounted switches should only be used with a PCB if you are also using a plate. Otherwise, the switches will can put extra strain on the solder joints and cause breakage.
Post by: ari on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:20:52
... R2 Zealio switch GB is now live! ...
OH HELL YES! Ordering now. :D
Thank you, Zeal!
Post by: daviswalkers on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:36:27
1. Been resolved (not even sure it was brought up as a problem so not sure resolved is the right word)
or
2. Are there different sip sockets you know of that would work with them?
Thanks
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:37:08
One issue I ran into with the R1 buy is that the sip sockets I normally use would not work with these as the holes for the LEDs were much thinner than normal, do you know if this has either:
1. Been resolved (not even sure it was brought up as a problem so not sure resolved is the right word)
or
2. Are there different sip sockets you know of that would work with them?
Thanks
What sip sockets did you use? I have never had a problem with my Zealios.
Post by: piemancoder on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:39:13
This is probably a really noob question, but can you us plate mounted switches with a PCB?
Yes, I think you just have to remove two of the legs on the switches.
Actually the opposite. PCB mount switches have two extra plastic legs that snap into a PCB and keep the switch from rotating.
Plate mount switches laxk these legs as the plate keeps the switches in place.
Plate mounted switches should only be used with a PCB if you are also using a plate. Otherwise, the switches will can put extra strain on the solder joints and cause breakage.
Thank you! :)
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:41:12
One issue I ran into with the R1 buy is that the sip sockets I normally use would not work with these as the holes for the LEDs were much thinner than normal, do you know if this has either:
1. Been resolved (not even sure it was brought up as a problem so not sure resolved is the right word)
or
2. Are there different sip sockets you know of that would work with them?
Thanks
Sounds like the sip sockets you have are different from what the majority of people use. :x I've only had one other customer report of their sips not fitting.
The ones I sell are longer tailed, even longer than milmax by a bit. They fit inside the Zealios without issue.
Post by: daviswalkers on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:45:13
One issue I ran into with the R1 buy is that the sip sockets I normally use would not work with these as the holes for the LEDs were much thinner than normal, do you know if this has either:
1. Been resolved (not even sure it was brought up as a problem so not sure resolved is the right word)
or
2. Are there different sip sockets you know of that would work with them?
Thanks
What sip sockets did you use? I have never had a problem with my Zealios.
I forget who or where I was when I saw a post suggesting these http://www.ebay.com/itm/140910386490?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/140910386490?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) but this is what I got.
One issue I ran into with the R1 buy is that the sip sockets I normally use would not work with these as the holes for the LEDs were much thinner than normal, do you know if this has either:
1. Been resolved (not even sure it was brought up as a problem so not sure resolved is the right word)
or
2. Are there different sip sockets you know of that would work with them?
Thanks
Sounds like the sip sockets you have are different from what the majority of people use. :x I've only had one other customer report of their sips not fitting.
The ones I sell are longer tailed, even longer than milmax by a bit. They fit inside the Zealios without issue.
Cool, thanks for the info!
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:49:03
One issue I ran into with the R1 buy is that the sip sockets I normally use would not work with these as the holes for the LEDs were much thinner than normal, do you know if this has either:
1. Been resolved (not even sure it was brought up as a problem so not sure resolved is the right word)
or
2. Are there different sip sockets you know of that would work with them?
Thanks
What sip sockets did you use? I have never had a problem with my Zealios.
I forget who or where I was when I saw a post suggesting these http://www.ebay.com/itm/140910386490?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/140910386490?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) but this is what I got.
I used the same dimension sip sockets and it worked fine for me, are you leaving the black housing on or do you cut it off?
Post by: daviswalkers on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:51:43
One issue I ran into with the R1 buy is that the sip sockets I normally use would not work with these as the holes for the LEDs were much thinner than normal, do you know if this has either:
1. Been resolved (not even sure it was brought up as a problem so not sure resolved is the right word)
or
2. Are there different sip sockets you know of that would work with them?
Thanks
What sip sockets did you use? I have never had a problem with my Zealios.
I forget who or where I was when I saw a post suggesting these http://www.ebay.com/itm/140910386490?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/140910386490?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) but this is what I got.
I used the same dimension sip sockets and it worked fine for me, are you leaving the black housing on or do you cut it off?
I cut it off I thought maybe I was fat fingering them so I just tried using a pair of needle nose pliers and still can't get them to fit in.
I'm trying to use them on Leeku's CP gb (not that it matters anymore since my PCB is shot for some unknown reason) and am using the acrylic plate, which is a bit thicker than most plates I've used so that could be the issue rather than the switches themselves.
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 17 January 2016, 14:53:29
One issue I ran into with the R1 buy is that the sip sockets I normally use would not work with these as the holes for the LEDs were much thinner than normal, do you know if this has either:
1. Been resolved (not even sure it was brought up as a problem so not sure resolved is the right word)
or
2. Are there different sip sockets you know of that would work with them?
Thanks
What sip sockets did you use? I have never had a problem with my Zealios.
I forget who or where I was when I saw a post suggesting these http://www.ebay.com/itm/140910386490?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/140910386490?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) but this is what I got.
I used the same dimension sip sockets and it worked fine for me, are you leaving the black housing on or do you cut it off?
I cut it off I thought maybe I was fat fingering them so I just tried using a pair of needle nose pliers and still can't get them to fit in.
Hmm that's really odd, these were the ones that I was using http://www.ebay.com/itm/231568885581?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
The dimensions are listed the same as the ones you posted but if you want to save yourself the hassle of clipping them then Zeal's are the way to go.
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 17 January 2016, 15:22:43
In for some 67's, 65's, and 10 x 78's.
I plan on using only a few of the 78's for spacebar so if anyone plans on doing the same and doesn't want to order 10, PM me and can send you a few :thumb:
PM incoming.
Post by: Geroximo on Sun, 17 January 2016, 15:33:31
Can someone give me a Cherry MX reference to these weights?
Post by: fowre on Sun, 17 January 2016, 16:09:02
Cannot decide between 65g and 67g.
Can someone give me a Cherry MX reference to these weights?
Browns and reds are around 60 to 62 gram springs. Blacks are around 80 gram springs. Gaterons are smoother than cherries so will feel a tad lighter. I'd say 65 and 67 would be a bit tough to distinguish between (don't have any though so that's just speculation) but both will be slightly heavier than browns, smoother, and with much more tactility. Personally ordered 60 of the 67 gram switches for my upcoming planck build and I'm super excited! (I got 60 because I've never soldered before and I think 13 extras is a safe bet :)))
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 16:10:33
Is the chattering issue fixed?
The metal leaves have been adjusted a tiny bit to separate the gap a bit more to prevent them from touching when the pin is heating for too long.
Are these the SMD-compatible milky bottoms?
No. They will be regular milky white bottoms. Regular plate mounted switches still fit fine without issue on hot-swap-able keyboards.
in for some 67s! I kinda wanted 1x 78g one to use as a spacebar but I didn't want to make your life hard. Is it still possible to add one after ordering?I can accommodate single switch orders for the spacebar, but would prefer to keep those to a minimum. It's mostly to prevent people from ordering an obscure amount of switches.
can I add 10 78g with my order of 90 67g?
Please PM/Email me for an order change. Orders will have to be cancelled and re-purchased.
I still cant't really decide on whether to get the milky bottom housing 65g or the standard 62g one. I know 62g ones will feel more or less like MX browns in terms of weight to bottom out but how do the 65g ones feel in comparison? And I'm also afraid of just being amateur in soldering and ruining the 62g switches, which are less resistant to heat than the 65g milky bottom ones.
65gs feel like they have a longer tactile bump for some reason. It's all in the mind though, since the tactile bumps are all the same. The 65g milky ones are offered for first time solderers that don't want to take a risk, but I've also had many people solder regular transparent zealios without issue.
Not offering stems sold separately?
No, unfortunately not. Placing the purple stem in a Cherry MX housing doesn't allow it to shine at its full potential, and that Gateron wouldn't be interested in selling stems only.
Post by: lawlz_xD on Sun, 17 January 2016, 17:23:28
I joined the White Fox GB with 65g Linear Zeals and just joined this GB for the 62g Purples.
What temperature would you recommend soldering each at? And any other tips for the more inexperienced solderers? Thanks!
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 17 January 2016, 17:46:47
Hi Zeal,
I joined the White Fox GB with 65g Linear Zeals and just joined this GB for the 62g Purples.
What temperature would you recommend soldering each at? And any other tips for the more inexperienced solderers? Thanks!
Proper solder plays a big role too. Try to get your hands on some Kester 44 63/37 in either 0.02" or 0.031", or anything in between. 63/37 solder is eutectic which means that it goes from liquid state to solid really quickly, and no mushy stuff in between cooling periods. My iron is always at 650°F with a 3-3.5mm chisel tip.
Post by: StarPupil on Sun, 17 January 2016, 20:24:48
Looks good! Here's a few questions for you: How much is shipping to the US, and do you think that 160 of these would weigh enough to drive that price up? Thanks!
I'm pretty sure there is only one shipping that Zeal provides which is DHL Express(1 day shipping) for $15, unless it has changed since round 1 but I doubt it.
Thanks! I was just asking because sometimes weight is a factor, and I'm not sure how much it would affect the shipping.
Post by: rainb1ood on Sun, 17 January 2016, 21:11:23
Ordered 150 more 65g for future use :D
Post by: ika on Sun, 17 January 2016, 21:19:28
Post by: mcometa on Sun, 17 January 2016, 22:56:16
Post by: eeymiel on Mon, 18 January 2016, 03:41:20
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 18 January 2016, 03:47:19
Which one is to buy for the White Fox keyboard drop?
All switches offered on my site will work with the WhiteFox keyboard drop.
What is the GB deadline? And is there a way to distinguish R2 pcb mounted 65G from R1 zealios (guess not, but who knows)?
Tentative GB deadline is Feb 27, but could end up closing earlier. I'll have a more solid deadline in a few weeks.
No, there's no way of distinguishing R2 PCB mounted 65gs from R1 unless you inspect the springs, etc.
Post by: Brammm87 on Mon, 18 January 2016, 04:02:12
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 18 January 2016, 04:11:34
Do you have any idea how the 78g's compare to MX Greens?
MX Greens bottom out at around 90g, so my 78g Zealios are still a bit lighter.
Post by: Brammm87 on Mon, 18 January 2016, 04:16:54
Do you have any idea how the 78g's compare to MX Greens?
MX Greens bottom out at around 90g, so my 78g Zealios are still a bit lighter.
Put in my order. Looking forward to it. I'm a heavy typer, so this'll be interesting. Now to determine what the hell I'm gonna build with it :p
Post by: amharris on Mon, 18 January 2016, 07:25:20
Regardless, I can't wait! :)
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 18 January 2016, 07:27:55
Post by: mcometa on Mon, 18 January 2016, 09:36:20
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:12:17
Thanks Zeal, will definitely order one. Another question, which LED is the buy for this one?
1.8mm, 3mm flangless, or 2x3x4mm LEDs should all work. The last option tends to be the brightest but can have some interference with keycaps, they're still my favorite option.
Post by: tkpresent on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:19:24
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:27:38
Is "65g - Transparent Top, Milky bottom" the only option for the plate mount, like Octagon v2?
No, Octagon v2 uses a plate but allows PCB mounted switches.
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 18 January 2016, 12:13:44
Is "65g - Transparent Top, Milky bottom" the only option for the plate mount, like Octagon v2?
No, Octagon v2 uses a plate but allows PCB mounted switches.
wait, apart from this one, are all the other's PCB mount? I thought they were all plate mount? My last batch of 62g were plate mount... I'm confused.
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Mon, 18 January 2016, 12:19:05
Post by: profet on Mon, 18 January 2016, 12:40:03
Is "65g - Transparent Top, Milky bottom" the only option for the plate mount, like Octagon v2?
No, Octagon v2 uses a plate but allows PCB mounted switches.
wait, apart from this one, are all the other's PCB mount? I thought they were all plate mount? My last batch of 62g were plate mount... I'm confused.
I think everyone here is confusing Plate and PCB mount switches.
PCB mount switches have 2 extra plastic legs.
Plate mount are missing these legs.
You can convert a PCB mount switch to Plate mount by using a flush cutter and removing these legs.
You can put EITHER plate or PCB mount switches into a plate.
TLDR: You should always get PCB mount switches and if you ever find a pcb that lacks the PCB holes... then use a flush cutter to remove the extra legs on the switch.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 12:42:49
Is "65g - Transparent Top, Milky bottom" the only option for the plate mount, like Octagon v2?
No, Octagon v2 uses a plate but allows PCB mounted switches.
wait, apart from this one, are all the other's PCB mount? I thought they were all plate mount? My last batch of 62g were plate mount... I'm confused.
I think everyone here is confusing Plate and PCB mount switches.
PCB mount switches have 2 extra plastic legs.
Plate mount are missing these legs.
You can convert a PCB mount switch to Plate mount by using a flush cutter and removing these legs.
You can put EITHER plate or PCB mount switches into a plate.
TLDR: You should always get PCB mount switches and if you ever find a pcb that lacks the PCB holes... then use a flush cutter to remove the extra legs on the switch.
Beat me to the punch. :p
Profet is correct and provided clear info, thank you.
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 18 January 2016, 13:44:36
Is "65g - Transparent Top, Milky bottom" the only option for the plate mount, like Octagon v2?
No, Octagon v2 uses a plate but allows PCB mounted switches.
wait, apart from this one, are all the other's PCB mount? I thought they were all plate mount? My last batch of 62g were plate mount... I'm confused.
I think everyone here is confusing Plate and PCB mount switches.
PCB mount switches have 2 extra plastic legs.
Plate mount are missing these legs.
You can convert a PCB mount switch to Plate mount by using a flush cutter and removing these legs.
You can put EITHER plate or PCB mount switches into a plate.
TLDR: You should always get PCB mount switches and if you ever find a pcb that lacks the PCB holes... then use a flush cutter to remove the extra legs on the switch.
Beat me to the punch. :p
Profet is correct and provided clear info, thank you.
Ah ok, so they are the same as in R1... ok... I can feel comfortable with my order then :) As these are likely going on my Octagon V2
Post by: tkpresent on Mon, 18 January 2016, 14:38:46
Is "65g - Transparent Top, Milky bottom" the only option for the plate mount, like Octagon v2?
No, Octagon v2 uses a plate but allows PCB mounted switches.
wait, apart from this one, are all the other's PCB mount? I thought they were all plate mount? My last batch of 62g were plate mount... I'm confused.
I think everyone here is confusing Plate and PCB mount switches.
PCB mount switches have 2 extra plastic legs.
Plate mount are missing these legs.
You can convert a PCB mount switch to Plate mount by using a flush cutter and removing these legs.
You can put EITHER plate or PCB mount switches into a plate.
TLDR: You should always get PCB mount switches and if you ever find a pcb that lacks the PCB holes... then use a flush cutter to remove the extra legs on the switch.
Now it's very clear.
Thanks!
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 18 January 2016, 15:24:53
Quote
Production time + shipping will take roughly 2 weeks. Reshipping bulk order from Zeal PC to you will take roughly 3 weeks.
So lead-time is 5 weeks once pre-order is closed? potentially meaning that these switches may not be delivered until April?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 18 January 2016, 15:58:33
QuoteProduction time + shipping will take roughly 2 weeks. Reshipping bulk order from Zeal PC to you will take roughly 3 weeks.
So lead-time is 5 weeks once pre-order is closed? potentially meaning that these switches may not be delivered until April?
It's just a rough estimate. I'll of course try to get everything out by March.
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 18 January 2016, 16:45:18
I'm guessing these would feel like regular MX Clears with Clear springs?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 18 January 2016, 16:58:24
I need some of these. The 78g's are a bit lighter than the MX Clears that I usually prefer but it could be very nice for a 60% build I have in mind.
I'm guessing these would feel like regular MX Clears with Clear springs?
If you put MX Clear springs inside, yes, it would become a smoother MX Clear. 78gs are a "softer" MX Clear variant.
Post by: FlofromProgresso on Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:53:11
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Post by: FlofromProgresso on Tue, 19 January 2016, 09:01:34
Post by: aaron6301 on Tue, 19 January 2016, 10:50:49
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 19 January 2016, 10:53:36
Will GB R3 be around April - June? I know its early to ask but I am planning on getting some purple zealios but would like to get the sample pack first to test out the feel of them to make sure that i get the right one and to give my wallet some time fill back up. Also thank you for making these switches they look fantastic.
Just read the reviews of what other users have to say about Zealio switches if you're having trouble making a decision.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 19 January 2016, 11:32:26
Anyone know what Zeal switch weight would be comparable to an Ergo Clear with 62g Gold Springs and lubed with Krytox 205/103?
Depends on how worn and how you lube your 62g ergo clears. Due to the smoothness of Zealios, you might have to bump up the weight to get roughly the same "feel". I'd say 65g would be the equivalent of 62g ergo clears, while being slightly more tactile due to leaf design in Gaterons.
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 19 January 2016, 13:45:58
Thanks in advance.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 19 January 2016, 13:50:15
So I have the 62g purple from R1. I love these for typing large amounts, but for gaming I want something heavier... I want to get an idea on the 78g feel? What would one compare this to? I like MX clears, and vintage black for gaming.
Thanks in advance.
78gs would be a softer MX Clear in weight, almost the same as vintage black weight.
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 19 January 2016, 14:08:52
So I have the 62g purple from R1. I love these for typing large amounts, but for gaming I want something heavier... I want to get an idea on the 78g feel? What would one compare this to? I like MX clears, and vintage black for gaming.
Thanks in advance.
78gs would be a softer MX Clear in weight, almost the same as vintage black weight.
So kind of like tactical Gateron black? If so, this might be my choice!
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 19 January 2016, 15:18:12
So I have the 62g purple from R1. I love these for typing large amounts, but for gaming I want something heavier... I want to get an idea on the 78g feel? What would one compare this to? I like MX clears, and vintage black for gaming.
Thanks in advance.
78gs would be a softer MX Clear in weight, almost the same as vintage black weight.
So kind of like tactical Gateron black? If so, this might be my choice!
hehe tactical
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:23:20
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 19 January 2016, 18:27:53
So I have the 62g purple from R1. I love these for typing large amounts, but for gaming I want something heavier... I want to get an idea on the 78g feel? What would one compare this to? I like MX clears, and vintage black for gaming.
Thanks in advance.
78gs would be a softer MX Clear in weight, almost the same as vintage black weight.
So kind of like tactical Gateron black? If so, this might be my choice!
hehe tactical
haha... only just noticed my mistake, what I meant to say if MX black were tactile, this would be the comparison :)
Post by: switchnollie on Tue, 19 January 2016, 20:35:04
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 19 January 2016, 20:40:28
Does the 78g bump feel any diff from the 67g or is it pretty much the same but a heavier switch?
The "bump" is due to the stem, the 78g spring will just make it heavier.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 19 January 2016, 20:50:46
Does the 78g bump feel any diff from the 67g or is it pretty much the same but a heavier switch?
Feels like a heavier 67g with cushiony bottom out.
Post by: switchnollie on Tue, 19 January 2016, 22:00:33
Does the 78g bump feel any diff from the 67g or is it pretty much the same but a heavier switch?
The "bump" is due to the stem, the 78g spring will just make it heavier.
Yeah I understand that, was wondering if it was like 62g vs 67g. Same slider but the bump in the 67g felt more tactile.
Could just be me tho :p
Does the 78g bump feel any diff from the 67g or is it pretty much the same but a heavier switch?
Feels like a heavier 78g with cushiony bottom out.
Alright thanks :)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 19 January 2016, 23:17:03
Does the 78g bump feel any diff from the 67g or is it pretty much the same but a heavier switch?
The "bump" is due to the stem, the 78g spring will just make it heavier.
Yeah I understand that, was wondering if it was like 62g vs 67g. Same slider but the bump in the 67g felt more tactile.
Could just be me tho :pDoes the 78g bump feel any diff from the 67g or is it pretty much the same but a heavier switch?
Feels like a heavier 67g with cushiony bottom out.
Alright thanks :)
Woops, typo fixed.
Post by: Goranth on Wed, 20 January 2016, 00:30:03
At least I have some time to think about it.
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 20 January 2016, 07:17:55
That way you would get what I imagine to be a really cool effect...
Post by: duckness on Wed, 20 January 2016, 07:58:46
This is something I've wondered about... Would it be possible to cushion the bottoming out further by using two springs? Say a normal 65g spring, but about 2/3rd the length (though with the same weight) and then a really heavy spring (150g?) for the last 1/3rd length?
That way you would get what I imagine to be a really cool effect...
I don't think that's how springs work though, won't the amount of force required be similar to if not the same as a 65+150=215g spring?
Post by: UTEster750 on Wed, 20 January 2016, 07:59:59
This is something I've wondered about... Would it be possible to cushion the bottoming out further by using two springs? Say a normal 65g spring, but about 2/3rd the length (though with the same weight) and then a really heavy spring (150g?) for the last 1/3rd length?
That way you would get what I imagine to be a really cool effect...
It's a cool idea but I would be worried as to how hard it would be to create. :eek:
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 20 January 2016, 08:00:22
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 20 January 2016, 14:32:34
This is something I've wondered about... Would it be possible to cushion the bottoming out further by using two springs? Say a normal 65g spring, but about 2/3rd the length (though with the same weight) and then a really heavy spring (150g?) for the last 1/3rd length?
That way you would get what I imagine to be a really cool effect...
2 custom made springs would theoretically be possible, but you're constrained by the limited space in the switch. For example: a heavier spring that has a reduced height would need to have thicker wires coiled to compensate the loss in compression (wider coils generally result in heavier springs). Once you overcome that issue, there's also the chance that the top spring will move around too much and could dislocate/deform over time.
Post by: breitling on Wed, 20 January 2016, 15:11:14
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 21 January 2016, 01:35:16
Post by: lawlz_xD on Thu, 21 January 2016, 02:52:20
Post by: henz on Thu, 21 January 2016, 02:56:37
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 21 January 2016, 03:23:14
I apologize for my ignorance but unless we specified otherwise when ordering, are we to assume that the switches we receive will be plate-mounted?No, I think PCB-mounted. At least the last batch were, and since the plate-mounted in this round are specified to be plate-mounted, I would assume the default still to be PCB mounted.
By the way, why don't we say mountable? They don't come pre-mounted after all... [8]
Post by: ika on Thu, 21 January 2016, 06:12:34
Post by: R4WBIT on Thu, 21 January 2016, 16:57:11
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 21 January 2016, 17:14:01
Having a really hard time choosing 62 or 65. Hmm. The reviews don't make me wiser either. Any opinions?
If you like browns but want a bit more oomph, go with 62g. If you like ergo clears but want a smoother bump, go with 65g :P
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 21 January 2016, 23:04:51
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 21 January 2016, 23:28:47
zeal, i've already got a bunch of gold 62g springs from sprit. are you not selling stems separate? i want to get some 78g but want the lighter stems too. what are my options?
Stems are not sold separately as you'd be missing out on the full experience & smoothness if you put Zealio stems into Cherry switches. Gateron also is not interested in selling stems only.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 21 January 2016, 23:39:52
zeal, i've already got a bunch of gold 62g springs from sprit. are you not selling stems separate? i want to get some 78g but want the lighter stems too. what are my options?
Stems are not sold separately as you'd be missing out on the full experience & smoothness if you put Zealio stems into Cherry switches. Gateron also is not interested in selling stems only.
*sigh*
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 22 January 2016, 02:34:17
Can I have one of those?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 22 January 2016, 02:39:40
What about the molecule four mm from the far left corner in a rightmost direction, about fifty micrometers from the outer edge of the switch casing?
Can I have one of those?
If you pay shipping, I'll gladly ship you
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 22 January 2016, 02:40:34
Post by: techmattr on Fri, 22 January 2016, 21:49:52
zeal, i've already got a bunch of gold 62g springs from sprit. are you not selling stems separate? i want to get some 78g but want the lighter stems too. what are my options?
Stems are not sold separately as you'd be missing out on the full experience & smoothness if you put Zealio stems into Cherry switches. Gateron also is not interested in selling stems only.
I tried putting R1 stems in Cherry housings and it didn't work. Should it have? Every switch was nothing but chatter.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 22 January 2016, 22:51:56
zeal, i've already got a bunch of gold 62g springs from sprit. are you not selling stems separate? i want to get some 78g but want the lighter stems too. what are my options?
Stems are not sold separately as you'd be missing out on the full experience & smoothness if you put Zealio stems into Cherry switches. Gateron also is not interested in selling stems only.
I tried putting R1 stems in Cherry housings and it didn't work. Should it have? Every switch was nothing but chatter.
Quite frankly, I've never tried putting a Purple Zealio stem into Cherry housings. The leg could be positioned slightly lower than the Cherry Clear/Gray stem, but it's hard to tell if it's just missing the "slope" on the top of the stem.
(http://i.imgur.com/T2lbgCI.jpg)
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Sat, 23 January 2016, 12:19:09
I don't have this issue with the blackwidow, maybe because I mainly use the orbweaver for gaming and the blackwidow for typing?
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 23 January 2016, 14:34:27
I digress... 78g v 67g? What do we compare these to?
Post by: xondat on Sat, 23 January 2016, 14:41:44
Ok, this has probably been answered several times already, but I am trying to decide between 78g and 67g. I like Vintage MX blacks, I like MX clears, I think 62g are a little too light for me... mind you that said I am starting to really enjoy them on my Lightsaver (should have an alu plate rather than steel, would feel softer).
I digress... 78g v 67g? What do we compare these to?
Only tried browns and clears, kind of want to know the same here
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 23 January 2016, 20:19:01
Hey zeal, I put 65g zealios Inn my orbweaver, and they seem to 'catch' a little when I bottom out - is this an issue with the R1s that are rectified with R2 or can I fix it with lube?
I don't have this issue with the blackwidow, maybe because I mainly use the orbweaver for gaming and the blackwidow for typing?
It seems to only happen if the following two conditions are met:
1. Your switches are installed LED side "up" (facing away from you)
2. You bottom out heavily
I'm not exactly sure which part is touching that causes that slight feel at the bottom, but some people have reported that it goes away after some wear in. Most custom keyboards have the LED facing down, so it isn't an issue for a fair amount of builders.
Ok, this has probably been answered several times already, but I am trying to decide between 78g and 67g. I like Vintage MX blacks, I like MX clears, I think 62g are a little too light for me... mind you that said I am starting to really enjoy them on my Lightsaver (should have an alu plate rather than steel, would feel softer).
I digress... 78g v 67g? What do we compare these to?
Only tried browns and clears, kind of want to know the same here
If you like Vintage Blacks / Clears, then the answer should be obvious -- 78g. 67g is for people that want something a bit softer than vintage blacks, but slightly heavier than 62/65g ergo clears.
Post by: xondat on Sun, 24 January 2016, 02:55:33
Also I'm guessing we can't buy springs separately, I'd love to have 67g switches and buy 78g springs so I can swap them out if need be.
Post by: bocahgundul on Sun, 24 January 2016, 02:58:07
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Sun, 24 January 2016, 03:55:57
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 24 January 2016, 08:28:39
Anyone?
Post by: KaLam1ty on Sun, 24 January 2016, 16:42:05
I already have a custom board with Blues in them, but don't want to be bothered with desoldering.
Post by: Guyon on Sun, 24 January 2016, 17:22:06
And now, we wait.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 24 January 2016, 17:35:32
So I like press after the actuation but Clears are too heavy and there isn't enough travel; browns are too easy and I bottom them out/press keys accidentally a lot. I THINK I'd want 78g?
Also I'm guessing we can't buy springs separately, I'd love to have 67g switches and buy 78g springs so I can swap them out if need be.
Yeah, Clears bottom out around 100g, so if you want a slightly lighter "Clear", go for 78g :) Springs are not being sold separately.
Can someone compare the zealio clear with lubed vintage black? I really want to get one for my future board but don't know which one would be better :thumb:
67g linear Zealios would be slightly higher than lubed vintage blacks.
I assume that since these are Gatereon switches, they'll have no issues with stem/spring swapping in Gateron Blues, correct?
I already have a custom board with Blues in them, but don't want to be bothered with desoldering.
You could theoretically do that and harvest the stems, but I'd still recommend desoldering the switches to experience the full switch.
Post by: xondat on Sun, 24 January 2016, 18:44:30
So I like press after the actuation but Clears are too heavy and there isn't enough travel; browns are too easy and I bottom them out/press keys accidentally a lot. I THINK I'd want 78g?
Also I'm guessing we can't buy springs separately, I'd love to have 67g switches and buy 78g springs so I can swap them out if need be.
Yeah, Clears bottom out around 100g, so if you want a slightly lighter "Clear", go for 78g :) Springs are not being sold separately.
Guess this is what I'll be doing. When does it close/ship, just to clarify? And the price stays the same per switch until closure?
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 24 January 2016, 18:49:20
So I like press after the actuation but Clears are too heavy and there isn't enough travel; browns are too easy and I bottom them out/press keys accidentally a lot. I THINK I'd want 78g?
Also I'm guessing we can't buy springs separately, I'd love to have 67g switches and buy 78g springs so I can swap them out if need be.
Yeah, Clears bottom out around 100g, so if you want a slightly lighter "Clear", go for 78g :) Springs are not being sold separately.
Guess this is what I'll be doing. When does it close/ship, just to clarify? And the price stays the same per switch until closure?
Estimated close date is Feb 27. Price will remain the same until GB ends.
Post by: xondat on Sun, 24 January 2016, 18:49:57
So I like press after the actuation but Clears are too heavy and there isn't enough travel; browns are too easy and I bottom them out/press keys accidentally a lot. I THINK I'd want 78g?
Also I'm guessing we can't buy springs separately, I'd love to have 67g switches and buy 78g springs so I can swap them out if need be.
Yeah, Clears bottom out around 100g, so if you want a slightly lighter "Clear", go for 78g :) Springs are not being sold separately.
Guess this is what I'll be doing. When does it close/ship, just to clarify? And the price stays the same per switch until closure?
Estimated close date is Feb 27. Price will remain the same until GB ends.
I should get paid on the 26th, peak times.
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Mon, 25 January 2016, 01:41:50
Hey zeal, I put 65g zealios Inn my orbweaver, and they seem to 'catch' a little when I bottom out - is this an issue with the R1s that are rectified with R2 or can I fix it with lube?
I don't have this issue with the blackwidow, maybe because I mainly use the orbweaver for gaming and the blackwidow for typing?
It seems to only happen if the following two conditions are met:
1. Your switches are installed LED side "up" (facing away from you)
2. You bottom out heavily
I'm not exactly sure which part is touching that causes that slight feel at the bottom, but some people have reported that it goes away after some wear in. Most custom keyboards have the LED facing down, so it isn't an issue for a fair amount of builders.Ok, this has probably been answered several times already, but I am trying to decide between 78g and 67g. I like Vintage MX blacks, I like MX clears, I think 62g are a little too light for me... mind you that said I am starting to really enjoy them on my Lightsaver (should have an alu plate rather than steel, would feel softer).
I digress... 78g v 67g? What do we compare these to?
Only tried browns and clears, kind of want to know the same here
If you like Vintage Blacks / Clears, then the answer should be obvious -- 78g. 67g is for people that want something a bit softer than vintage blacks, but slightly heavier than 62/65g ergo clears.
Well, the orbweaver is for gaming, so lots of bottoming out - and the LEDs are facing away from me. Am i just out of luck there then? Just mash the buttons until they wear in? Would getting 67g zealios be better? I imagine the stiffer spring might help it bounce back faster negating the 'catch'.
Also, i tried popping a spring from an MX clear into a zealio housing, to try and see what a 78g would be like, and it was awful. Am i doing it wrong?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 25 January 2016, 02:24:30
Hey zeal, I put 65g zealios Inn my orbweaver, and they seem to 'catch' a little when I bottom out - is this an issue with the R1s that are rectified with R2 or can I fix it with lube?
I don't have this issue with the blackwidow, maybe because I mainly use the orbweaver for gaming and the blackwidow for typing?
It seems to only happen if the following two conditions are met:
1. Your switches are installed LED side "up" (facing away from you)
2. You bottom out heavily
I'm not exactly sure which part is touching that causes that slight feel at the bottom, but some people have reported that it goes away after some wear in. Most custom keyboards have the LED facing down, so it isn't an issue for a fair amount of builders.Ok, this has probably been answered several times already, but I am trying to decide between 78g and 67g. I like Vintage MX blacks, I like MX clears, I think 62g are a little too light for me... mind you that said I am starting to really enjoy them on my Lightsaver (should have an alu plate rather than steel, would feel softer).
I digress... 78g v 67g? What do we compare these to?
Only tried browns and clears, kind of want to know the same here
If you like Vintage Blacks / Clears, then the answer should be obvious -- 78g. 67g is for people that want something a bit softer than vintage blacks, but slightly heavier than 62/65g ergo clears.
Well, the orbweaver is for gaming, so lots of bottoming out - and the LEDs are facing away from me. Am i just out of luck there then? Just mash the buttons until they wear in? Would getting 67g zealios be better? I imagine the stiffer spring might help it bounce back faster negating the 'catch'.
Also, i tried popping a spring from an MX clear into a zealio housing, to try and see what a 78g would be like, and it was awful. Am i doing it wrong?
I guess you could try wearing them in. It shouldn't take too long. 67g wouldn't help much with not bottoming out as it's still fairly "light".
As for the MX Clear spring, that would be your own opinion. There will always be people who prefer the exponential increase of the weight. :P
The 78g springs I offer are more linear in force. It doesn't just spike up in weight as you pass the 2mm point like MX Clear springs.
Post by: Wannabe on Mon, 25 January 2016, 09:24:38
Post by: s3vv4 on Mon, 25 January 2016, 13:09:18
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 25 January 2016, 14:11:37
How do you usually mark an order of 90-100 of these switches for customs?
$10 merchandise, "Bag of Pushbutton switches".
Post by: Chachal on Mon, 25 January 2016, 17:26:56
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 25 January 2016, 18:45:52
So I like press after the actuation but Clears are too heavy and there isn't enough travel; browns are too easy and I bottom them out/press keys accidentally a lot. I THINK I'd want 78g?
YES you do, get the 78g switches because in life you need to always go in HARD 8) .
Post by: xondat on Tue, 26 January 2016, 01:57:54
So I like press after the actuation but Clears are too heavy and there isn't enough travel; browns are too easy and I bottom them out/press keys accidentally a lot. I THINK I'd want 78g?
YES you do, get the 78g switches because in life you need to always go in HARD 8) .
Not too hard, I'll go hard but I'm not that mad ;D
Post by: skaloola on Tue, 26 January 2016, 06:20:18
couple questions:
-whats the difference between the v2 and v3 lubes? what would you recommend for Zealios?
-got any pics of the magenta and blue colored LEDs?
-are these sip sockets the same kind you've had before? they kinda look different from ones i got from you in the past
Post by: krisst on Tue, 26 January 2016, 07:59:45
Post by: Brammm87 on Tue, 26 January 2016, 08:20:21
Would like to know if I am able to add other accessories like v3 lube into this GB and be posted together with my order. If so, how do I do that. ThanksWould like to know this too.
Post by: eeymiel on Tue, 26 January 2016, 09:07:27
Post by: ClosingCircuits on Tue, 26 January 2016, 14:30:19
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 26 January 2016, 14:57:15
thanks for running another round! 78g sounds great.
couple questions:
-whats the difference between the v2 and v3 lubes? what would you recommend for Zealios?
-got any pics of the magenta and blue colored LEDs?
-are these sip sockets the same kind you've had before? they kinda look different from ones i got from you in the past
V2 lube comes filled to 3ml (except spring, only to 0.5ml) in a syringe and comes with a yellow felt applicator needle/brush. V3 lube is filled to 1.8-2ml in a small micro-vial. You'll need to source your own small brush. The Krytox mix are slightly different, but equally great lubes for switches.
As for the LEDs, I don't have pictures on hand as I've been trying to phase into 1.8mm LEDs and dropping 2x3x4. Blue LEDs are generic blue you find in many off-the-shelf mechboards, magenta looks like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/48F83a8.jpg)
I'm not sure when you placed your order of SIPs, but the listing with the long legs etc are the newer revision with longer legs that stick out of the PCB for ease of soldering/removing.
Would like to know if I am able to add other accessories like v3 lube into this GB and be posted together with my order. If so, how do I do that. Thanks
Add them into the cart and checkout in one go.
Just made an account to say thanks for the work you do Zeal! Just ordered 80 of the 78g. Only building a 60%, but this will be my first time soldering to a PCB (I've only done patch work on guitars before this). I'm very excited to give this a try!
Thanks for joining! :)
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 27 January 2016, 11:11:59
Thx for running another Round of these Zeal! =)
Can't wait to solder some smexy Zealios! :thumb:
Post by: cirrus82 on Wed, 27 January 2016, 12:00:23
Post by: Limewirelord on Wed, 27 January 2016, 15:50:12
Post by: Vittra on Wed, 27 January 2016, 16:02:35
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 27 January 2016, 17:20:52
So, I enjoy stock MX Clears, 55g Topre clones (RC930), and buckling springs. Any suggestions for weight? I'm thinking about putting a board together.
78g. :)
Post by: mastermachetier on Wed, 27 January 2016, 23:36:15
Post by: Karura on Wed, 27 January 2016, 23:41:54
Alright so lets see if you can recommend me a switch. My favorite switches are in this order Alps Orange , Buckling Springs, MX Clear, MX Blue
Judging by your preferences, I'd say you need custom springs, Aristotle clicky stems, and put those inside a Zealio housing. :thumb:
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 27 January 2016, 23:45:00
Alright so lets see if you can recommend me a switch. My favorite switches are in this order Alps Orange , Buckling Springs, MX Clear, MX Blue
Judging by your preferences, I'd say you need custom springs, Aristotle clicky stems, and put those inside a Zealio housing. :thumb:
Zealiostotles. 65g Zealios + Aristotle Stems. Best clicky MX mount switch ever. More tactile, louder, and crisper than MX Blues.
Post by: KingRama on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:07:27
Post by: mastermachetier on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:08:59
Ordered! Can't wait to try these out dude, got a little side-project I can test these out on ;D ;D
You guys are awesome, can't wait to get my hands on these.
Post by: mastermachetier on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:11:25
Alright so lets see if you can recommend me a switch. My favorite switches are in this order Alps Orange , Buckling Springs, MX Clear, MX Blue
Judging by your preferences, I'd say you need custom springs, Aristotle clicky stems, and put those inside a Zealio housing. :thumb:
Zealiostotles. 65g Zealios + Aristotle Stems. Best clicky MX mount switch ever. More tactile, louder, and crisper than MX Blues.
Where do i get my hands on these Aristotle Stems?
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:26:33
Alright so lets see if you can recommend me a switch. My favorite switches are in this order Alps Orange , Buckling Springs, MX Clear, MX Blue
Judging by your preferences, I'd say you need custom springs, Aristotle clicky stems, and put those inside a Zealio housing. :thumb:
Zealiostotles. 65g Zealios + Aristotle Stems. Best clicky MX mount switch ever. More tactile, louder, and crisper than MX Blues.
Where do i get my hands on these Aristotle Stems?
They aren't too common unless you de-solder them from old keyboards. It's a long since discontinued switch from Taiwan from the 90s. I happen to stumble upon some new old stock and have them listed here: http://zealpc.net/collections/switches/products/taiwan-white-switch-aristotle
Post by: skaloola on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:42:50
Alright so lets see if you can recommend me a switch. My favorite switches are in this order Alps Orange , Buckling Springs, MX Clear, MX Blue
Judging by your preferences, I'd say you need custom springs, Aristotle clicky stems, and put those inside a Zealio housing. :thumb:
Zealiostotles. 65g Zealios + Aristotle Stems. Best clicky MX mount switch ever. More tactile, louder, and crisper than MX Blues.
Where do i get my hands on these Aristotle Stems?
They aren't too common unless you de-solder them from old keyboards. It's a long since discontinued switch from Taiwan from the 90s. I happen to stumble upon some new old stock and have them listed here: http://zealpc.net/collections/switches/products/taiwan-white-switch-aristotle
stupid question: swapping an aristotle stem into a zealios would retain LED support right? (the stem doesn't block LED use or anything)
also, when you say stem, you mean the slider right? or is a stem the slider + switch top?
Post by: gadzkun on Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:40:10
Alright so lets see if you can recommend me a switch. My favorite switches are in this order Alps Orange , Buckling Springs, MX Clear, MX Blue
Judging by your preferences, I'd say you need custom springs, Aristotle clicky stems, and put those inside a Zealio housing. :thumb:
Zealiostotles. 65g Zealios + Aristotle Stems. Best clicky MX mount switch ever. More tactile, louder, and crisper than MX Blues.
wait wait wait. aristotle stems is compatible with gateron housing? :eek:
Post by: henz on Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:45:38
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:47:41
Alright so lets see if you can recommend me a switch. My favorite switches are in this order Alps Orange , Buckling Springs, MX Clear, MX Blue
Judging by your preferences, I'd say you need custom springs, Aristotle clicky stems, and put those inside a Zealio housing. :thumb:
Zealiostotles. 65g Zealios + Aristotle Stems. Best clicky MX mount switch ever. More tactile, louder, and crisper than MX Blues.
Where do i get my hands on these Aristotle Stems?
They aren't too common unless you de-solder them from old keyboards. It's a long since discontinued switch from Taiwan from the 90s. I happen to stumble upon some new old stock and have them listed here: http://zealpc.net/collections/switches/products/taiwan-white-switch-aristotle
stupid question: swapping an aristotle stem into a zealios would retain LED support right? (the stem doesn't block LED use or anything)
also, when you say stem, you mean the slider right? or is a stem the slider + switch top?
Stem is the white part (slider). The black housing from Aristotle's are pretty crop. Only the stem is worth harvesting IMO.
Alright so lets see if you can recommend me a switch. My favorite switches are in this order Alps Orange , Buckling Springs, MX Clear, MX Blue
Judging by your preferences, I'd say you need custom springs, Aristotle clicky stems, and put those inside a Zealio housing. :thumb:
Zealiostotles. 65g Zealios + Aristotle Stems. Best clicky MX mount switch ever. More tactile, louder, and crisper than MX Blues.
wait wait wait. aristotle stems is compatible with gateron housing? :eek:
Only with Gateron RGB switch tops (sold on my site). Zealios use RGB tops and it's a very solid feel.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:50:49
Ill try again, does >ANYONE< know for how long this will be open.
It's stared on the listing. :p
Open until February 27, midnight PST.
Post by: Zapheo on Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:52:16
Ill try again, does >ANYONE< know for how long this will be open.
Zeal said he has no intention of ending it earlier than the date listed on his website.
Post by: gadzkun on Thu, 28 January 2016, 02:27:24
Alright so lets see if you can recommend me a switch. My favorite switches are in this order Alps Orange , Buckling Springs, MX Clear, MX Blue
Judging by your preferences, I'd say you need custom springs, Aristotle clicky stems, and put those inside a Zealio housing. :thumb:
Zealiostotles. 65g Zealios + Aristotle Stems. Best clicky MX mount switch ever. More tactile, louder, and crisper than MX Blues.
wait wait wait. aristotle stems is compatible with gateron housing? :eek:
Only with Gateron RGB switch tops (sold on my site). Zealios use RGB tops and it's a very solid feel.
ok i think now i lose my mind.. (*hearing clicky clicky clicky clicky) :'(
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 28 January 2016, 02:57:59
Post by: henz on Thu, 28 January 2016, 03:01:34
Ill try again, does >ANYONE< know for how long this will be open.
It's stared on the listing. :p
Open until February 27, midnight PST.
Ty
Post by: krisst on Thu, 28 January 2016, 07:04:26
Would like to know if I am able to add other accessories like v3 lube into this GB and be posted together with my order. If so, how do I do that. ThanksAdd them into the cart and checkout in one go.
Thank you! Just in for 78g, v3 lube and some handful of others as tester. :D
Post by: Chachal on Thu, 28 January 2016, 08:04:33
Alright so lets see if you can recommend me a switch. My favorite switches are in this order Alps Orange , Buckling Springs, MX Clear, MX Blue
Judging by your preferences, I'd say you need custom springs, Aristotle clicky stems, and put those inside a Zealio housing. :thumb:
Zealiostotles. 65g Zealios + Aristotle Stems. Best clicky MX mount switch ever. More tactile, louder, and crisper than MX Blues.
Oh God! I think I have have old Unikey with Aristotle switches. Have to find it now :P
Post by: himynameisbunny on Thu, 28 January 2016, 08:47:10
However I have been a Topre addict for a few years (FC660C, Royal Kludge, Realforce, HHKB, all 45g) and one heard this is as close as it gets with MX.
It's been some time since I've used a Cherry board in earnest - the latest being a DAS with browns, and they almost felt too light IIRC.
Given that I'm a Topre addict what weight would you recommend?
Post by: bocahgundul on Thu, 28 January 2016, 09:05:40
Thinking of making a WinKeyless B.87 with some of these.65g is good choice :thumb:
However I have been a Topre addict for a few years (FC660C, Royal Kludge, Realforce, HHKB, all 45g) and one heard this is as close as it gets with MX.
It's been some time since I've used a Cherry board in earnest - the latest being a DAS with browns, and they almost felt too light IIRC.
Given that I'm a Topre addict what weight would you recommend?
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 28 January 2016, 10:25:08
Thinking of making a WinKeyless B.87 with some of these.
However I have been a Topre addict for a few years (FC660C, Royal Kludge, Realforce, HHKB, all 45g) and one heard this is as close as it gets with MX.
It's been some time since I've used a Cherry board in earnest - the latest being a DAS with browns, and they almost felt too light IIRC.
Given that I'm a Topre addict what weight would you recommend?
I need to know more about these B. 87 boards from winkeyless.kr, I was thinking of building one, are they any good, don't want to derail thread, we can pm.
Post by: HTN47 on Thu, 28 January 2016, 13:34:48
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 28 January 2016, 14:19:56
Thinking of making a WinKeyless B.87 with some of these.
However I have been a Topre addict for a few years (FC660C, Royal Kludge, Realforce, HHKB, all 45g) and one heard this is as close as it gets with MX.
It's been some time since I've used a Cherry board in earnest - the latest being a DAS with browns, and they almost felt too light IIRC.
Given that I'm a Topre addict what weight would you recommend?
67 or 78g if you really like that crisp bump (and don't mind the slightly heavier cushion at the bottom). 65g if you want to experiment with a more drawn out tactile bump.
Post by: himynameisbunny on Thu, 28 January 2016, 15:29:56
I need to know more about these B. 87 boards from winkeyless.kr, I was thinking of building one, are they any good, don't want to derail thread, we can pm.
From what I've read they seem to be held in high regard.
The biggest thing for me is I can emulate a HHKB layout with it. I use a HHKB at work and I sorely miss the layout whenever I jump on another board...but when I'm gaming the HHKB layout is annoying as hell.
With the b.87 I can have it regularly set up as HHKB mapping and just switch to regular TKL mapping when I'm playing games.
Anyways enough derailing...any more opinions to my original question
Post by: himynameisbunny on Thu, 28 January 2016, 15:32:26
Hmm the KeyChatter review said the same thing about the 67g. Might be the switch for me.Thinking of making a WinKeyless B.87 with some of these.
However I have been a Topre addict for a few years (FC660C, Royal Kludge, Realforce, HHKB, all 45g) and one heard this is as close as it gets with MX.
It's been some time since I've used a Cherry board in earnest - the latest being a DAS with browns, and they almost felt too light IIRC.
Given that I'm a Topre addict what weight would you recommend?
67 or 78g if you really like that crisp bump (and don't mind the slightly heavier cushion at the bottom). 65g if you want to experiment with a more drawn out tactile bump.
The only thing I'm worried about is the increase of resistance towards the bottom of the stroke...but considering Topre isn't going to release a backlit, remappable board with configurable key layouts I'm coming back to the land of MX :-P
Post by: romevi on Thu, 28 January 2016, 21:21:33
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 28 January 2016, 21:59:39
All right, considering replacing my board's switches. I have Zealio 65g, and Tactile Gray on the Esc and space bar. Gonna replace the 65g with 67g; how similar to Tactile Gray is 78g?Lighter? Heavier?
Still way lighter. Tactile Grays bottom out at 110g.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 28 January 2016, 22:07:18
All right, considering replacing my board's switches. I have Zealio 65g, and Tactile Gray on the Esc and space bar. Gonna replace the 65g with 67g; how similar to Tactile Gray is 78g?Lighter? Heavier?
Still way lighter. Tactile Grays bottom out at 110g.
Hmm... Okay. I'll stick with my Tactile Grays!
Post by: himynameisbunny on Thu, 28 January 2016, 23:43:31
It's got a top plate, but not sure what I'm looking for on this PCB to see if they're compatible...
(http://i2.wp.com/winkeyless.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/DSC_17151.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 29 January 2016, 00:21:23
Zeal I forgot to ask before...would the 67g fit on the Winkeyless B.87?
It's got a top plate, but not sure what I'm looking for on this PCB to see if they're compatible...Show Image(http://i2.wp.com/winkeyless.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/DSC_17151.jpg)
All switch variants will work with that PCB. The PCB is the deciding factor for switch type (PCB or plate), and PCB mount switches can always be modified to plate mount.
Post by: himynameisbunny on Fri, 29 January 2016, 00:39:43
All switch variants will work with that PCB. The PCB is the deciding factor for switch type (PCB or plate), and PCB mount switches can always be modified to plate mount.
Zeal,
Good to hear. Looking closely at the picture would it be correct to conclude that it has these two extra holes of which you speak in the product description?
Quote
Please note that PCB mounted switches can still be used in many plate mounted keyboards. As long as your PCB underneath has 2 extra holes next to the center post, it will support PCB Mounted switches and add extra rigidity to your build.
Post by: meiosis on Fri, 29 January 2016, 00:46:27
All switch variants will work with that PCB. The PCB is the deciding factor for switch type (PCB or plate), and PCB mount switches can always be modified to plate mount.
Zeal,
Good to hear. Looking closely at the picture would it be correct to conclude that it has these two extra holes of which you speak in the product description?QuotePlease note that PCB mounted switches can still be used in many plate mounted keyboards. As long as your PCB underneath has 2 extra holes next to the center post, it will support PCB Mounted switches and add extra rigidity to your build.
It'll work.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 29 January 2016, 00:49:11
All switch variants will work with that PCB. The PCB is the deciding factor for switch type (PCB or plate), and PCB mount switches can always be modified to plate mount.
Zeal,
Good to hear. Looking closely at the picture would it be correct to conclude that it has these two extra holes of which you speak in the product description?QuotePlease note that PCB mounted switches can still be used in many plate mounted keyboards. As long as your PCB underneath has 2 extra holes next to the center post, it will support PCB Mounted switches and add extra rigidity to your build.
Nearly every custom, aftermarket PCB support PCB Mounted switches. These are the holes I'm referring to.
(http://puu.sh/mNPKY/16a2d0bcdb.jpg)
Post by: himynameisbunny on Fri, 29 January 2016, 00:57:23
Nearly every custom, aftermarket PCB support PCB Mounted switches. These are the holes I'm referring to.
Excellent, just thought I'd double check :)
I'll be placing an order shortly!
Post by: steve.v on Fri, 29 January 2016, 02:33:32
Post by: djeex on Fri, 29 January 2016, 05:56:55
www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-ergodox?mode=guest_open (http://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-ergodox?mode=guest_open)
Post by: techmattr on Fri, 29 January 2016, 09:58:18
I love my zealios 65g. However they wobble too much compared to stock cherry mx clears. I guess its a sacrifice for smoothness. My poker clears seems to be more sturdier. May pick up a few 78g to see how they feel.
Are you using SA or OEM profile? Tall caps seem to really exaggerate the wobble on stems. The seem more stable with DCS, DSA or Cherry profile.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 29 January 2016, 13:11:53
Hi Zeal, can you (or anyone) confirm if it's the R2 zealios switches in GB on massdrop?
www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-ergodox?mode=guest_open (http://www.massdrop.com/buy/infinity-ergodox?mode=guest_open)
Round 2 Zealios on MD.
Post by: skaloola on Fri, 29 January 2016, 20:35:26
Are plate or pcb mounted stabilizers preferable when using a plate + compatible pcb (has the pcb support holes)?
I read somewhere you should clip stabilizers to avoid mushiness. I'm not sure what style stabilizers I've been purchasing in the past, just that they were Cherry style (dunno about plate vs pcb mounted).
In other words, it looks like I could use either in my builds. Does one feel better than the other?
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 30 January 2016, 00:32:06
Another stupid question incoming:
Are plate or pcb mounted stabilizers preferable when using a plate + compatible pcb (has the pcb support holes)?
I read somewhere you should clip stabilizers to avoid mushiness. I'm not sure what style stabilizers I've been purchasing in the past, just that they were Cherry style (dunno about plate vs pcb mounted).
In other words, it looks like I could use either in my builds. Does one feel better than the other?
Most custom (Korean) keyboards only accept PCB mounted Cherry stabilizers. The only keyboard kit I can think of off the top of the top of my head that uses Plate mounted Cherry stabilizers is the Phantom.
Yes, most people recommend clipping Cherry stabilizers to get rid of the "mushiness". This can be done on plate and PCB mounted Cherry stabilizers. PCB mounted Cherry stabilizers are generally preferred over plate mounted as it doesn't have side corner walls that can sometimes interfere with certain keycap profiles.
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 01 February 2016, 20:22:02
I know or might think this has been asked numerous times, what would be the nice/ideal choice for someone who used 62g gateron blacks but likes something heavier but similar to 62g mx clears?
Is 65g a nice balance between both?
I know one is linear and tactile but I'd like to go back to tactile for my next board :)
Also do we pay immediately once we've placed an order on your website?
Post by: queefmonchan on Mon, 01 February 2016, 20:46:45
Still deciding between 65g and 67g.
I know or might think this has been asked numerous times, what would be the nice/ideal choice for someone who used 62g gateron blacks but likes something heavier but similar to 62g mx clears?
Is 65g a nice balance between both?
I know one is linear and tactile but I'd like to go back to tactile for my next board :)
Also do we pay immediately once we've placed an order on your website?
I like Gateron Blacks a lot and have found that 67g zealios are my favorite. They have a nice snappy return.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 01 February 2016, 20:47:17
Still deciding between 65g and 67g.
I know or might think this has been asked numerous times, what would be the nice/ideal choice for someone who used 62g gateron blacks but likes something heavier but similar to 62g mx clears?
Is 65g a nice balance between both?
I know one is linear and tactile but I'd like to go back to tactile for my next board :)
Also do we pay immediately once we've placed an order on your website?
Traditional 62g MX Clears after lubing generally feel like 67g Zealios. The bump is shorter and it drops off past the tactile portion. 65g however is what I feel like should've been the proper "62g ergo clears", with a long drawn out tactile bump. Depending on your preference, it'll either be 65 or 67g. It's really hard to recommend without feeling them firsthand. 67g is a tad bit snappier on the upstroke and "crisp" due to the heavier spring.
Payment is captured immediately after placing the order.
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 01 February 2016, 20:49:46
Still deciding between 65g and 67g.
I know or might think this has been asked numerous times, what would be the nice/ideal choice for someone who used 62g gateron blacks but likes something heavier but similar to 62g mx clears?
Is 65g a nice balance between both?
I know one is linear and tactile but I'd like to go back to tactile for my next board :)
Also do we pay immediately once we've placed an order on your website?
I like Gateron Blacks a lot and have found that 67g zealios are my favorite. They have a nice snappy return.
I see, thanks for your input! :)
I'm just afraid that 67g would be more fatiguing than 62g MX Clears. Was leaning towards 65g but if 65g is similar to MX Clears then I'll probably try something else.
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 01 February 2016, 20:58:54
Still deciding between 65g and 67g.
I know or might think this has been asked numerous times, what would be the nice/ideal choice for someone who used 62g gateron blacks but likes something heavier but similar to 62g mx clears?
Is 65g a nice balance between both?
I know one is linear and tactile but I'd like to go back to tactile for my next board :)
Also do we pay immediately once we've placed an order on your website?
Traditional 62g MX Clears after lubing generally feel like 67g Zealios. The bump is shorter and it drops off past the tactile portion. 65g however is what I feel like should've been the proper "62g ergo clears", with a long drawn out tactile bump. Depending on your preference, it'll either be 65 or 67g. It's really hard to recommend without feeling them firsthand. 67g is a tad bit snappier on the upstroke and "crisp" due to the heavier spring.
Payment is captured immediately after placing the order.
Damn that "snappier" and "crisp" statement makes me want to get in on the 67g but it's not that fatiguing if I may ask?
Ah okay, I'll put in an order close to the dateline I think. :)
Thanks!
Post by: ctrlX on Tue, 02 February 2016, 00:54:25
Same here. Next paycheck is in my lap 25th. Ready to be spent on 26th on some 78g. So I really hope this GB does not close earlier (for whatever reason).Still deciding between 65g and 67g.
I know or might think this has been asked numerous times, what would be the nice/ideal choice for someone who used 62g gateron blacks but likes something heavier but similar to 62g mx clears?
Is 65g a nice balance between both?
I know one is linear and tactile but I'd like to go back to tactile for my next board :)
Also do we pay immediately once we've placed an order on your website?
Traditional 62g MX Clears after lubing generally feel like 67g Zealios. The bump is shorter and it drops off past the tactile portion. 65g however is what I feel like should've been the proper "62g ergo clears", with a long drawn out tactile bump. Depending on your preference, it'll either be 65 or 67g. It's really hard to recommend without feeling them firsthand. 67g is a tad bit snappier on the upstroke and "crisp" due to the heavier spring.
Payment is captured immediately after placing the order.
Damn that "snappier" and "crisp" statement makes me want to get in on the 67g but it's not that fatiguing if I may ask?
Ah okay, I'll put in an order close to the dateline I think. :)
Thanks!
Post by: xondat on Tue, 02 February 2016, 06:47:32
Payment is captured immediately after placing the order.
Most people get paid at the end of the month; what are the chances that it closes early?
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:52:23
Payment is captured immediately after placing the order.
Most people get paid at the end of the month; what are the chances that it closes early?
I thought most people got paid bi-weekly?
Post by: ctrlX on Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:56:13
In Sweden it is always at the end of the month.Payment is captured immediately after placing the order.
Most people get paid at the end of the month; what are the chances that it closes early?
I thought most people got paid bi-weekly?
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:58:17
In Sweden it is always at the end of the month.Payment is captured immediately after placing the order.
Most people get paid at the end of the month; what are the chances that it closes early?
I thought most people got paid bi-weekly?
(http://t1.livememe.com/laq0vl_4.jpg)
Post by: ctrlX on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:57:16
Hehe. I lived in Australia for a couple of years. There I was paid every week. Must admit I prefer a paycheck every week instead of at the end of the month. It is so easy to just spend it all at once and have nothing left rest of the month. I guess discipline is the keyword. Especially when you have two children. Darn they are expensive! :-)In Sweden it is always at the end of the month.Payment is captured immediately after placing the order.
Most people get paid at the end of the month; what are the chances that it closes early?
I thought most people got paid bi-weekly?Show Image(http://t1.livememe.com/laq0vl_4.jpg)
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:02:48
Hehe. I lived in Australia for a couple of years. There I was paid every week. Must admit I prefer a paycheck every week instead of at the end of the month. It is so easy to just spend it all at once and have nothing left rest of the month. I guess discipline is the keyword. Especially when you have two children. Darn they are expensive! :-)In Sweden it is always at the end of the month.Payment is captured immediately after placing the order.
Most people get paid at the end of the month; what are the chances that it closes early?
I thought most people got paid bi-weekly?Show Image(http://t1.livememe.com/laq0vl_4.jpg)
Yeah I get every week and its great. As you said its easier to budget, I know that one paycheck is essentially rent+car insurance, and I have recurring savings deposits each week. Everything else is basically my cash flow.
Back on topic though, I'm very close to putting in my order. Debating between ordering zealios for my numpad or a future 60%... but definitely getting the 78g for my custom nantucket selectric build.
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:57:31
I checked in most comment. But i didn't see any comment about gold spring. So, the Zealio Sw include:
1. Sw (sure)
2. Gold spring (5 variants) ???????????????????
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:15:04
Hi Zeal,
I checked in most comment. But i didn't see any comment about gold spring. So, the Zealio Sw include:
1. Sw (sure)
2. Gold spring (5 variants) ???????????????????
The gold springs are installed inside the switch from the factory. You can choose from either 62g/65g/67g or 78g weighted Zealios.
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:28:07
Post by: xondat on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:32:21
Payment is captured immediately after placing the order.
Most people get paid at the end of the month; what are the chances that it closes early?
I thought most people got paid bi-weekly?
UK is mostly last Friday of each month.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:51:59
On the 65g version, is there any difference between the milky bottom and clear in terms of feel?
Unlikely you'd be able to feel any significant difference. The milky housing is more geared towards manufacturers and the like.
Post by: fostermatt on Wed, 03 February 2016, 02:10:43
I still cant't really decide on whether to get the milky bottom housing 65g or the standard 62g one. I know 62g ones will feel more or less like MX browns in terms of weight to bottom out but how do the 65g ones feel in comparison? And I'm also afraid of just being amateur in soldering and ruining the 62g switches, which are less resistant to heat than the 65g milky bottom ones.
Don't worry about being a soldering noob. I had never touched a soldering iron until I put my R1 Zealios (65s) into an old pok3r I had. Easy as pie and it works great.
(https://i.imgur.com/Unrs6SJ.jpg)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 03 February 2016, 04:59:25
Thought I would miss out on these babies but alas it looks like I've dived into this easily.
Completely forgot about these switches until I realized something, when I viewed a purple docket sheet at work and knew that colour was linked to something important.
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 03 February 2016, 06:28:54
Just placed an order for 120 - 78g Zealio's :thumb: .
Thought I would miss out on these babies but alas it looks like I've dived into this easily.
Completely forgot about these switches until I realized something, when I viewed a purple docket sheet at work and knew that colour was linked to something important.
I'll be placing an order this weekend. I like vintage MX Black, and Gateron black... 78g sounds like my switch...
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 03 February 2016, 08:23:37
Just placed an order for 120 - 78g Zealio's :thumb: .
Thought I would miss out on these babies but alas it looks like I've dived into this easily.
Completely forgot about these switches until I realized something, when I viewed a purple docket sheet at work and knew that colour was linked to something important.
I'll be placing an order this weekend. I like vintage MX Black, and Gateron black... 78g sounds like my switch...
I ordered myself 120 of the 78g switches as well a week or two ago, even though I'm not even sure at this point where they are going.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 08:33:29
Edit:
Just read Zeal's weight charts on Reddit. Looks like 78g is heavier than Blacks, so I'll still to ordering 67g. :thumb:
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 03 February 2016, 09:44:14
Just placed an order for 120 - 78g Zealio's :thumb: .
Thought I would miss out on these babies but alas it looks like I've dived into this easily.
Completely forgot about these switches until I realized something, when I viewed a purple docket sheet at work and knew that colour was linked to something important.
I'll be placing an order this weekend. I like vintage MX Black, and Gateron black... 78g sounds like my switch...
I ordered myself 120 of the 78g switches as well a week or two ago, even though I'm not even sure at this point where they are going.
Yea, I currently have 90 loose vintage MX Blacks, 90 Gateron black, and will be ordering a bunch of these... Hmmmm, maybe these can go on my Octogon.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 03 February 2016, 17:40:11
So are 78g switches still lighter than Vintage Blacks? The only MX boards I have are with Vintage Blacks and 65g Zealios. I was going to get 67g this time as 65g is a wee bit light for me, but now I'm not sure if 67g will make much difference.
Edit:
Just read Zeal's weight charts on Reddit. Looks like 78g is heavier than Blacks, so I'll still to ordering 67g. :thumb:
hmm? MX Blacks bottom out at ~80g. 78g Zealios are along the vintage black range. :)
Post by: romevi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 17:44:38
So are 78g switches still lighter than Vintage Blacks? The only MX boards I have are with Vintage Blacks and 65g Zealios. I was going to get 67g this time as 65g is a wee bit light for me, but now I'm not sure if 67g will make much difference.
Edit:
Just read Zeal's weight charts on Reddit. Looks like 78g is heavier than Blacks, so I'll still to ordering 67g. :thumb:
hmm? MX Blacks bottom out at ~80g. 78g Zealios are along the vintage black range. :)
Oh... Didn't know they were that close. All right, I may consider 78g instead! You posted somewhere in Reddit during round 1 that MX Blacks have a heavier bottom-out than 67g, but I didn't bother to check the actual weight.
Thanks, Zeal!
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 03 February 2016, 17:55:08
So are 78g switches still lighter than Vintage Blacks? The only MX boards I have are with Vintage Blacks and 65g Zealios. I was going to get 67g this time as 65g is a wee bit light for me, but now I'm not sure if 67g will make much difference.
Edit:
Just read Zeal's weight charts on Reddit. Looks like 78g is heavier than Blacks, so I'll still to ordering 67g. :thumb:
hmm? MX Blacks bottom out at ~80g. 78g Zealios are along the vintage black range. :)
This is really interesting. Is someone able to post the list of the different MX, Gateron bottom out weights? Would be super awesome... If this can be found somewhere, link it and I can post... I'll search ad well...
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 03 February 2016, 18:05:13
MX Clear: 100g
MX Green: 65g
MX Black: 80g
MX Red: 60g
MX Brown: 60g
MX Blue: 60g
Post by: Vittra on Wed, 03 February 2016, 18:09:33
WASDKeyboards has quite a few on their page as well - http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/mechanical-keyboard-guide
Gateron is a nightmare to find information on, but you can check out the last two links here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79272.msg2037461#msg2037461
Post by: romevi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 18:13:40
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 03 February 2016, 18:17:13
I ordered myself 120 of the 78g switches as well a week or two ago, even though I'm not even sure at this point where they are going.
Essence of being a Geekhacker, you always buy the switches first then decide where they'll be going.
At the very least, you could de-solder a Filco and remove the softer switches and replace them with the 78g Zealios.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 03 February 2016, 18:36:49
Are these weights correct?
MX Clear: 100cN ✓
MX Green: 65cN ✘ 90cN
MX Black: 80cN ✓
MX Red: 60cN ✓
MX Brown: 60cN ✓
MX Blue: 60cN ✘ 62-65cN, hard to tell with the graph since it doesn't bottom out at 4mm.
The above forces are "bottom out" weights. 1cN= 1.019716213g
Not really... Corrected weight in red.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 18:39:42
Are these weights correct?
MX Clear: 100g ✓
MX Green: 65g ✘ 90g
MX Black: 80g ✓
MX Red: 60g ✓
MX Brown: 60g ✓
MX Blue: 60g ✓
The above forces are "bottom out" weights.
Not really... Corrected weight in red.
Hmm... Okay, this is pretty helpful, as well as your PM, Zeal.
78g it is!
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 03 February 2016, 19:03:57
Are these weights correct?
MX Clear: 100g ✓
MX Green: 65g ✘ 90g
MX Black: 80g ✓
MX Red: 60g ✓
MX Brown: 60g ✓
MX Blue: 60g ✓
The above forces are "bottom out" weights.
Not really... Corrected weight in red.
Hmm... Okay, this is pretty helpful, as well as your PM, Zeal.
78g it is!
Agreed, I too am in for some me 78g, I might also get some 67g...
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:55:25
Are these weights correct?
MX Clear: 100cN ✓
MX Green: 65cN ✘ 90cN
MX Black: 80cN ✓
MX Red: 60cN ✓
MX Brown: 60cN ✓
MX Blue: 60cN ✘ 62-65cN, hard to tell with the graph since it doesn't bottom out at 4mm.
The above forces are "bottom out" weights. 1cN= 1.019716213g
Not really... Corrected weight in red.
It's weird seeing Clears at 100cN yet the Greens are far more brutal when you need to press them repeatedly.
Love the Clears compared to most Cherry keys BUT the Greens are still for the key-bashers, that need some way of offloading their tension onto something inanimate 8) .
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 03 February 2016, 22:39:31
Are these weights correct?
MX Clear: 100cN ✓
MX Green: 65cN ✘ 90cN
MX Black: 80cN ✓
MX Red: 60cN ✓
MX Brown: 60cN ✓
MX Blue: 60cN ✘ 62-65cN, hard to tell with the graph since it doesn't bottom out at 4mm.
The above forces are "bottom out" weights. 1cN= 1.019716213g
Not really... Corrected weight in red.
It's weird seeing Clears at 100cN yet the Greens are far more brutal when you need to press them repeatedly.
Love the Clears compared to most Cherry keys BUT the Greens are still for the key-bashers, that need some way of offloading their tension onto something inanimate 8) .
I love my Clears at home but I love my Greens at work too. The Greens at work just feel so satisfying when hammering away on the numpad all day.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 03 February 2016, 22:41:06
230 in total, 210 78g and 20 67g to add to my 90 67g switches.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 04 February 2016, 04:34:01
I love my Clears at home but I love my Greens at work too. The Greens at work just feel so satisfying when hammering away on the numpad all day.
You're lucky to be able to use your Greens at work if I did that the shear amount of black grease and oil that will be covering it would be insane.
We currently only use the cheapo membrane Dell and HP keyboards because they're disposable after a year's worth of work. In fact some of the keyboards stop working altogether since even they can't stand our working conditions, in the heat of summer.
Also we have rodents eating cabling from the keyboards and PC's within the workshop, so we have to contend with that as well. Keyboards don't last long where I work, hence the only time to enjoy typing is getting home to experience some delight when using the Thorpie's and Cherry's.
Post by: JaccoW on Thu, 04 February 2016, 09:42:41
I have this well-used MY 1800 from some workshop if you want... :PI love my Clears at home but I love my Greens at work too. The Greens at work just feel so satisfying when hammering away on the numpad all day.
You're lucky to be able to use your Greens at work if I did that the shear amount of black grease and oil that will be covering it would be insane.
We currently only use the cheapo membrane Dell and HP keyboards because they're disposable after a year's worth of work. In fact some of the keyboards stop working altogether since even they can't stand our working conditions, in the heat of summer.
Also we have rodents eating cabling from the keyboards and PC's within the workshop, so we have to contend with that as well. Keyboards don't last long where I work, hence the only time to enjoy typing is getting home to experience some delight when using the Thorpie's and Cherry's.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 04 February 2016, 10:45:26
I love my Clears at home but I love my Greens at work too. The Greens at work just feel so satisfying when hammering away on the numpad all day.
You're lucky to be able to use your Greens at work if I did that the shear amount of black grease and oil that will be covering it would be insane.
We currently only use the cheapo membrane Dell and HP keyboards because they're disposable after a year's worth of work. In fact some of the keyboards stop working altogether since even they can't stand our working conditions, in the heat of summer.
Also we have rodents eating cabling from the keyboards and PC's within the workshop, so we have to contend with that as well. Keyboards don't last long where I work, hence the only time to enjoy typing is getting home to experience some delight when using the Thorpie's and Cherry's.
I think you could apply for asylum here in Norway if you're working under those conditions... Of course, it would help if you were an 8 year old girl, but either way...
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 04 February 2016, 10:54:40
Post by: Waateva on Thu, 04 February 2016, 11:00:58
I love my Clears at home but I love my Greens at work too. The Greens at work just feel so satisfying when hammering away on the numpad all day.
You're lucky to be able to use your Greens at work if I did that the shear amount of black grease and oil that will be covering it would be insane.
We currently only use the cheapo membrane Dell and HP keyboards because they're disposable after a year's worth of work. In fact some of the keyboards stop working altogether since even they can't stand our working conditions, in the heat of summer.
Also we have rodents eating cabling from the keyboards and PC's within the workshop, so we have to contend with that as well. Keyboards don't last long where I work, hence the only time to enjoy typing is getting home to experience some delight when using the Thorpie's and Cherry's.
What kind of place do you work at? Sounds like you work as a mechanic of some type so I can understand not bringing in nice keyboards, but if you ever decided to at least the sound of the Greens probably wouldn't be an issue ;)
Post by: Chewypost on Thu, 04 February 2016, 11:15:46
Post by: Zapheo on Thu, 04 February 2016, 11:26:16
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 04 February 2016, 12:46:20
Tempted to buy some 78g's. Do I need stabilizers from your website too Zeal? Planning on doing this on a B.mini board. Also for LED's, I can buy those and add them in at a later date right?
You'll need PCB mounted stabilizers with your b.mini build.
Any other accessories (LEDs, lube, stabs, etc) you add to your order will be shipped with your GB order.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 04 February 2016, 13:13:27
Put in my order for 155 78g. :thumb:
Why so many may I ask?
Post by: Chewypost on Thu, 04 February 2016, 14:08:30
Tempted to buy some 78g's. Do I need stabilizers from your website too Zeal? Planning on doing this on a B.mini board. Also for LED's, I can buy those and add them in at a later date right?
You'll need PCB mounted stabilizers with your b.mini build.
Any other accessories (LEDs, lube, stabs, etc) you add to your order will be shipped with your GB order.
Will the ones in your shop (cherry MX stabilizers) work?
Post by: Zapheo on Thu, 04 February 2016, 14:10:35
Put in my order for 155 78g. :thumb:
Why so many may I ask?
55 for my golbat and 100 for the possibility of being able to join the VE.A GB.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 04 February 2016, 14:16:09
Put in my order for 155 78g. :thumb:
Why so many may I ask?
55 for my golbat and 100 for the possibility of being able to join the VE.A GB.
Ah nice, I think a few people will be doing the same.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 04 February 2016, 14:18:30
Tempted to buy some 78g's. Do I need stabilizers from your website too Zeal? Planning on doing this on a B.mini board. Also for LED's, I can buy those and add them in at a later date right?
You'll need PCB mounted stabilizers with your b.mini build.
Any other accessories (LEDs, lube, stabs, etc) you add to your order will be shipped with your GB order.
Will the ones in your shop (cherry MX stabilizers) work?
Yep, you'll want to pick up the PCB mount variant of the Cherry MX Stabilizers.
Post by: Zapheo on Thu, 04 February 2016, 14:24:10
Put in my order for 155 78g. :thumb:
Why so many may I ask?
55 for my golbat and 100 for the possibility of being able to join the VE.A GB.
Ah nice, I think a few people will be doing the same.
Yeah, and my reasoning is that even if I don't get in on VE.A I'll still have 100 78g zealios lying around for any future builds. :D
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 04 February 2016, 18:53:55
I think you could apply for asylum here in Norway if you're working under those conditions... Of course, it would help if you were an 8 year old girl, but either way...
Actually I like the Heat, unfortunately not being an 8 year old girl doesn't look good in anyone's eyes. Besides would you really want to see me in a small school-girl uniform without reaching for your sick bag?
What kind of place do you work at? Sounds like you work as a mechanic of some type so I can understand not bringing in nice keyboards, but if you ever decided to at least the sound of the Greens probably wouldn't be an issue ;)
Was a mechanic until upgraded into management some time ago. Now I run the workshop here on site, which belongs to one of the third largest Mining Conglomeration's in Australia.
A nice Cherry Keyboard wouldn't survive because too many spaces for grime, oil and dirt to sink into plus it would ultimately kill it. We just use what's supplied from the IT department every year which doesn't change much from the standard Dell, HP of even IBM when supplied. Although the IBM stuff last's a little longer despite being membrane technology.
Post by: Chewypost on Fri, 05 February 2016, 00:35:19
Tempted to buy some 78g's. Do I need stabilizers from your website too Zeal? Planning on doing this on a B.mini board. Also for LED's, I can buy those and add them in at a later date right?
You'll need PCB mounted stabilizers with your b.mini build.
Any other accessories (LEDs, lube, stabs, etc) you add to your order will be shipped with your GB order.
Will the ones in your shop (cherry MX stabilizers) work?
Yep, you'll want to pick up the PCB mount variant of the Cherry MX Stabilizers.
Sounds great. Order placed woo. Time to count the days.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 05 February 2016, 05:56:45
Post by: Geroximo on Fri, 05 February 2016, 09:42:38
Why?
I don't know ... why not?
:))
Post by: romevi on Fri, 05 February 2016, 09:44:18
why not?
:))
Because he could end the deadline early.
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Fri, 05 February 2016, 10:10:11
why not?
:))
Because he could end the deadline early.
Ugh, just bit the bullet cause of your comment. 90 78gs and 30 67gs...
Post by: Geroximo on Fri, 05 February 2016, 11:06:52
why not?
:))
Because he could end the deadline early.
Well played romevi, well played.
Post by: 64rky on Fri, 05 February 2016, 13:46:56
why not?
:))
Because he could end the deadline early.
Ugh, just bit the bullet cause of your comment. 90 78gs and 30 67gs...
Oooo, interesting combo. How will these be used?
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Fri, 05 February 2016, 16:47:32
The 67g are for a numpad, 78g for a custom build. Sorry for getting your hopes up for some bizarro 67g mods build.why not?
:))
Because he could end the deadline early.
Ugh, just bit the bullet cause of your comment. 90 78gs and 30 67gs...
Oooo, interesting combo. How will these be used?
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 07 February 2016, 08:49:38
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.
Post by: priyadi on Sun, 07 February 2016, 10:06:43
FYI I tried replacing the top and spring from cherry browns using 65g zealios, and they don't feel like the real zealios at all.
Post by: romevi on Sun, 07 February 2016, 10:08:28
So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.
I take it you saw this on the Massdrop listing? I think they use actuation force. Yellows are similar to Blacks, yet to me they feel slightly different. I prefer Yellow.
Post by: TerryMathews on Sun, 07 February 2016, 10:12:35
lets say I soldered 78g zealios, then I decide 78gs are too heavy for me. can I just pop out the switch top and replace the top and spring using the top and spring from 65g zealios? would it feel the same as the whole 65g? or is it necessary to desolder the whole thing and resolder again using 65gs?
Depends on how you're using them. If you have them in a plate, the plate has to be cut to allow for switch top opening. You'll see this most commonly on plates that allow for MX or Matias/Alps switches (Universal plates). Typically customs designed in the US allow for switch top opening. Customs from Korea typically don't.
If you're mounting directly to PCB without a plate then you'll be able to open no problem.
Keep in mind also, if you put LEDs on your switches they will have to be desoldered before you can open the switch unless you put SIP sockets in the bottom housing or mounted the LED in the bottom housing (which is doable on Gateron due to the clear top).
Hope this helps!
Post by: priyadi on Sun, 07 February 2016, 11:02:06
Now, if I were to replace zealio 78g with 65g, will the switches feel like the whole 65g or not?
lets say I soldered 78g zealios, then I decide 78gs are too heavy for me. can I just pop out the switch top and replace the top and spring using the top and spring from 65g zealios? would it feel the same as the whole 65g? or is it necessary to desolder the whole thing and resolder again using 65gs?
Depends on how you're using them. If you have them in a plate, the plate has to be cut to allow for switch top opening. You'll see this most commonly on plates that allow for MX or Matias/Alps switches (Universal plates). Typically customs designed in the US allow for switch top opening. Customs from Korea typically don't.
If you're mounting directly to PCB without a plate then you'll be able to open no problem.
Keep in mind also, if you put LEDs on your switches they will have to be desoldered before you can open the switch unless you put SIP sockets in the bottom housing or mounted the LED in the bottom housing (which is doable on Gateron due to the clear top).
Hope this helps!
Post by: mastermachetier on Sun, 07 February 2016, 15:05:42
Post by: Vittra on Sun, 07 February 2016, 15:31:29
So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.
So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.
I take it you saw this on the Massdrop listing? I think they use actuation force. Yellows are similar to Blacks, yet to me they feel slightly different. I prefer Yellow.
Correct, those are the actuation forces, not bottom out resistance.. and yes, the Gateron Clears really are that light.
Gateron Yellow has the same actuation as Gateron Black, but a lighter bottom out resistance.
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 07 February 2016, 16:07:53
So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.
I take it you saw this on the Massdrop listing? I think they use actuation force. Yellows are similar to Blacks, yet to me they feel slightly different. I prefer Yellow.
Correct, those are the actuation forces, not bottom out resistance.. and yes, the Gateron Clears really are that light.
Gateron Yellow has the same actuation as Gateron Black, but a lighter bottom out resistance.
anyone got a link to the bottom out force for Gaterons, is there a link?
Post by: Vittra on Sun, 07 February 2016, 16:35:04
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 07 February 2016, 16:49:25
You already asked that on the last page - it was answered.
I asked about cherry, and landed up answering my own question, which was corrected a little, don't think the bottom out weights was answered, I just looked, can't see anything... Apologies if I'm being blind.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 07 February 2016, 17:29:31
I regularly swap cherry blue to brown, and brown to blue, depending on occasions. It's just when I tried to swap cherry brown to zealio 65g, then the switches don't feel like the real zealios at all.
Now, if I were to replace zealio 78g with 65g, will the switches feel like the whole 65g or not?lets say I soldered 78g zealios, then I decide 78gs are too heavy for me. can I just pop out the switch top and replace the top and spring using the top and spring from 65g zealios? would it feel the same as the whole 65g? or is it necessary to desolder the whole thing and resolder again using 65gs?
Depends on how you're using them. If you have them in a plate, the plate has to be cut to allow for switch top opening. You'll see this most commonly on plates that allow for MX or Matias/Alps switches (Universal plates). Typically customs designed in the US allow for switch top opening. Customs from Korea typically don't.
If you're mounting directly to PCB without a plate then you'll be able to open no problem.
Keep in mind also, if you put LEDs on your switches they will have to be desoldered before you can open the switch unless you put SIP sockets in the bottom housing or mounted the LED in the bottom housing (which is doable on Gateron due to the clear top).
Hope this helps!
As long as you're not mixing Gateron and MX, stems/housings, the feel won't be affected. So if you were to decide to change the spring weight of Zealios, the only difference would be the spring weight.
Post by: mastermachetier on Sun, 07 February 2016, 18:46:47
You already asked that on the last page - it was answered.
Ya saw it thanks I originally thought I posted in this thread not the completed group buy :).
Edit: just realized you were not referring to me :( oops,
Post by: priyadi on Sun, 07 February 2016, 21:35:36
As long as you're not mixing Gateron and MX, stems/housings, the feel won't be affected. So if you were to decide to change the spring weight of Zealios, the only difference would be the spring weight.
thanks zeal!
Post by: Pinecone on Mon, 08 February 2016, 07:14:40
As long as you're not mixing Gateron and MX, stems/housings, the feel won't be affected. So if you were to decide to change the spring weight of Zealios, the only difference would be the spring weight.
Just tried swapping the guts of a stock MX Clear w/ Zealios and vice-versa. The difference in feel is definitely there for both switches.
Since Zealios are manufactured by Gateron, will the tactility remain the same as the stock transparent housing if I swapped the Zealio into the milky-white Gateron housings?
Post by: Pieminister on Mon, 08 February 2016, 07:41:21
What is the best way tu sample these switches without having to commit to 100+ of one kind of Switch right away ?
I love the idea of a boutique switch for a custom board, but just dont know which one i would like and dont want to order a whole big batch until i do
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 08 February 2016, 08:54:39
Hey guys sorry to ask aq uestion that has probably already been asked.
What is the best way zu sample these switches without having to commit to 100+ of one kind of Switch right away ?
I love the idea of a boutique switch for a custom board, but just dont know which one i would like and dont want to order a whole big batch until i do
Find someone who has switches to try out in person, otherwise I don't know of a way.
Post by: Vittra on Mon, 08 February 2016, 09:01:01
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 08 February 2016, 10:13:56
Hey guys sorry to ask aq uestion that has probably already been asked.
What is the best way zu sample these switches without having to commit to 100+ of one kind of Switch right away ?
I love the idea of a boutique switch for a custom board, but just dont know which one i would like and dont want to order a whole big batch until i do
I can send you a 62, and 65g
PM me with your details.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 08 February 2016, 13:30:29
As long as you're not mixing Gateron and MX, stems/housings, the feel won't be affected. So if you were to decide to change the spring weight of Zealios, the only difference would be the spring weight.
Just tried swapping the guts of a stock MX Clear w/ Zealios and vice-versa. The difference in feel is definitely there for both switches.
Since Zealios are manufactured by Gateron, will the tactility remain the same as the stock transparent housing if I swapped the Zealio into the milky-white Gateron housings?
You can definitely place Zealio stems and springs into stock Gateron housings. The feel will remain the same, though I would advise using the RGB clear tops from Zealios as those revisions "fix" the catching feel on some Cherry profile keycaps.
Post by: mastermachetier on Mon, 08 February 2016, 14:11:22
As long as you're not mixing Gateron and MX, stems/housings, the feel won't be affected. So if you were to decide to change the spring weight of Zealios, the only difference would be the spring weight.
Just tried swapping the guts of a stock MX Clear w/ Zealios and vice-versa. The difference in feel is definitely there for both switches.
Since Zealios are manufactured by Gateron, will the tactility remain the same as the stock transparent housing if I swapped the Zealio into the milky-white Gateron housings?
You can definitely place Zealio stems and springs into stock Gateron housings. The feel will remain the same, though I would advise using the RGB clear tops from Zealios as those revisions "fix" the catching feel on some Cherry profile keycaps.
So the only thing differentiating the feel in the zealios is the spring. The stem colors are just for identification? If so any gateron base with a zealio stem is technically the same thing beside the spring weight?
Post by: romevi on Mon, 08 February 2016, 14:36:46
So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.
I take it you saw this on the Massdrop listing? I think they use actuation force. Yellows are similar to Blacks, yet to me they feel slightly different. I prefer Yellow.
Correct, those are the actuation forces, not bottom out resistance.. and yes, the Gateron Clears really are that light.
Gateron Yellow has the same actuation as Gateron Black, but a lighter bottom out resistance.
anyone got a link to the bottom out force for Gaterons, is there a link?
Slightly off-topic, but I would love to see a graph of bottom-out forces. I'm getting confused lately as all the forces I've learned were actuation, and, since I bottom-out, the latter weight is more important to me.
I find Vintage Blacks to be a bit heavy for long periods of typing, so I figured anything slightly lighter than that, although a bit heavier than purple 65g Zealios (which I find to be a bit light), would be perfect for me.
Plus, I'm still undecided whether I should order the new Gateron greens or stick with blues for an upcoming custom number pad.
Post by: ika on Mon, 08 February 2016, 14:41:02
As long as you're not mixing Gateron and MX, stems/housings, the feel won't be affected. So if you were to decide to change the spring weight of Zealios, the only difference would be the spring weight.
Just tried swapping the guts of a stock MX Clear w/ Zealios and vice-versa. The difference in feel is definitely there for both switches.
Since Zealios are manufactured by Gateron, will the tactility remain the same as the stock transparent housing if I swapped the Zealio into the milky-white Gateron housings?
You can definitely place Zealio stems and springs into stock Gateron housings. The feel will remain the same, though I would advise using the RGB clear tops from Zealios as those revisions "fix" the catching feel on some Cherry profile keycaps.
IMO clear RGB tops resonate a bit more than stock milky gateron tops. The old gateron milky tops dampened the sound, kind of like how an acrylic plate affects sound vs, say, an alu plate. The sound is slightly different, but noticeable for me.
Re Gateron Green: these seem to match the weight of Cherry MX green, and ergo would be heavier than your vintage blacks.
Post by: piemancoder on Mon, 08 February 2016, 15:19:09
Just out of curiosity, would that 456GT work on a Mac with an active PS2 to USB adapter? Also, are the switches on it lubed/stickered at all?
You want OG? These Alps switches and keycaps make Cherry MX black feel like a toy:Show Image(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3801/9764673284_9d439906b9_h.jpg)
MMMMmmm those caps... nice.
So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.
I take it you saw this on the Massdrop listing? I think they use actuation force. Yellows are similar to Blacks, yet to me they feel slightly different. I prefer Yellow.
Correct, those are the actuation forces, not bottom out resistance.. and yes, the Gateron Clears really are that light.
Gateron Yellow has the same actuation as Gateron Black, but a lighter bottom out resistance.
anyone got a link to the bottom out force for Gaterons, is there a link?
Slightly off-topic, but I would love to see a graph of bottom-out forces. I'm getting confused lately as all the forces I've learned were actuation, and, since I bottom-out, the latter weight is more important to me.
I find Vintage Blacks to be a bit heavy for long periods of typing, so I figured anything slightly lighter than that, although a bit heavier than purple 65g Zealios (which I find to be a bit light), would be perfect for me.
Plus, I'm still undecided whether I should order the new Gateron greens or stick with blues for an upcoming custom number pad.
The graphs haven't been made yet, but this might help you guys out: https://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/how-interested-would-dt-be-in-a-blue-switch-roundup-t12487.html
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 08 February 2016, 16:33:32
As long as you're not mixing Gateron and MX, stems/housings, the feel won't be affected. So if you were to decide to change the spring weight of Zealios, the only difference would be the spring weight.
Just tried swapping the guts of a stock MX Clear w/ Zealios and vice-versa. The difference in feel is definitely there for both switches.
Since Zealios are manufactured by Gateron, will the tactility remain the same as the stock transparent housing if I swapped the Zealio into the milky-white Gateron housings?
You can definitely place Zealio stems and springs into stock Gateron housings. The feel will remain the same, though I would advise using the RGB clear tops from Zealios as those revisions "fix" the catching feel on some Cherry profile keycaps.
So the only thing differentiating the feel in the zealios is the spring. The stem colors are just for identification? If so any gateron base with a zealio stem is technically the same thing beside the spring weight?
Yeah, the different stem colours are just for identification for me/customers. Makes it easier to distinguish if you're making an "ergo" weighted board full of Zealios.
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Mon, 08 February 2016, 16:45:32
Ill be patiently waiting for the first person to swap out stems to make a full gradient effectAs long as you're not mixing Gateron and MX, stems/housings, the feel won't be affected. So if you were to decide to change the spring weight of Zealios, the only difference would be the spring weight.
Just tried swapping the guts of a stock MX Clear w/ Zealios and vice-versa. The difference in feel is definitely there for both switches.
Since Zealios are manufactured by Gateron, will the tactility remain the same as the stock transparent housing if I swapped the Zealio into the milky-white Gateron housings?
You can definitely place Zealio stems and springs into stock Gateron housings. The feel will remain the same, though I would advise using the RGB clear tops from Zealios as those revisions "fix" the catching feel on some Cherry profile keycaps.
So the only thing differentiating the feel in the zealios is the spring. The stem colors are just for identification? If so any gateron base with a zealio stem is technically the same thing beside the spring weight?
Yeah, the different stem colours are just for identification for me/customers. Makes it easier to distinguish if you're making an "ergo" weighted board full of Zealios.
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 08 February 2016, 16:54:26
Post by: ashraf on Tue, 09 February 2016, 10:31:42
Post by: romevi on Tue, 09 February 2016, 10:35:25
I know it's difficult to compare the two (apples and oranges after all) but are Purple Zealios as smooth as Topre switches? I've only experienced three different types of switches (Blues, Buckling Springs and Topres) and my HHKB is by far the smoothest I've ever typed on. Clears are almost impossible to find in Malaysia, and I'm trying to wrap my head around how these switches perform.
No, they're not. Topre also seems to have a longer travel difference, but that could just be a placebo.
I have a 55g Realforce at work at 65g purple Zealios at home.
Post by: OfTheWild on Tue, 09 February 2016, 11:21:01
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 09 February 2016, 12:06:20
I know it's difficult to compare the two (apples and oranges after all) but are Purple Zealios as smooth as Topre switches? I've only experienced three different types of switches (Blues, Buckling Springs and Topres) and my HHKB is by far the smoothest I've ever typed on. Clears are almost impossible to find in Malaysia, and I'm trying to wrap my head around how these switches perform.
It depends on how you define "smoothness". Topre is scratchy if you hit the key off center and rub against the side walls, even after lubing (I've lubed both hhkb and 55g rf). Lubed Zealios are incredibly smooth all around, even when hit off centre. Everyone that has visited my office, some being die-hard Topre lovers, agree that my Viper is very, very smooth and nicely built. It's highly recommended that you lube the Zealios as it just brings the switch to another level of smoothness (stock being way smoother than Cherry already).
Post by: Bloodrage Engage on Tue, 09 February 2016, 12:46:19
As for the LEDs, I don't have pictures on hand as I've been trying to phase into 1.8mm LEDs and dropping 2x3x4.
I was going to add LEDs to my keyboard soon and was under the impression that the 2x3x4 were the more popular LED option, but you say you are trying to move over to 1.8mm LEDs instead. Is there a bonus to using 1.8mm LEDs that I am not aware of? Sorry if this is a little off topic, but I am still a bit of a newbie in the keyboard world and you seem to be a bit of a veteran so I figured you would know better than I when it comes to LEDs (or keyboards in general) and must be switching for a good reason. Any info you allow me to pick from your brain would be greatly appreciated. :)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 09 February 2016, 13:42:21
As for the LEDs, I don't have pictures on hand as I've been trying to phase into 1.8mm LEDs and dropping 2x3x4.
I was going to add LEDs to my keyboard soon and was under the impression that the 2x3x4 were the more popular LED option, but you say you are trying to move over to 1.8mm LEDs instead. Is there a bonus to using 1.8mm LEDs that I am not aware of? Sorry if this is a little off topic, but I am still a bit of a newbie in the keyboard world and you seem to be a bit of a veteran so I figured you would know better than I when it comes to LEDs (or keyboards in general) and must be switching for a good reason. Any info you allow me to pick from your brain would be greatly appreciated. :)
2x3x4mm LEDs rub/interfere with Row 4 / 3 Cherry profile keycaps. 1.8mm ones do not. That's why 1.8mm is preferred. :)
Post by: Bloodrage Engage on Tue, 09 February 2016, 14:02:11
As for the LEDs, I don't have pictures on hand as I've been trying to phase into 1.8mm LEDs and dropping 2x3x4.
I was going to add LEDs to my keyboard soon and was under the impression that the 2x3x4 were the more popular LED option, but you say you are trying to move over to 1.8mm LEDs instead. Is there a bonus to using 1.8mm LEDs that I am not aware of? Sorry if this is a little off topic, but I am still a bit of a newbie in the keyboard world and you seem to be a bit of a veteran so I figured you would know better than I when it comes to LEDs (or keyboards in general) and must be switching for a good reason. Any info you allow me to pick from your brain would be greatly appreciated. :)
2x3x4mm LEDs rub/interfere with Row 4 / 3 Cherry profile keycaps. 1.8mm ones do not. That's why 1.8mm is preferred. :)
Ah, thanks for the info, I had not heard that. I only heard that the round top LEDs can bump thicker keycaps, do you use the flat top? Good to know about the rubbing/interfering with the 2x3x4mm LEDs. You have a nice store btw, im planning on buying some springs and lube from there soon. :)
Post by: Ephemeral on Tue, 09 February 2016, 15:06:16
Post by: eksuen on Tue, 09 February 2016, 15:08:26
As for the LEDs, I don't have pictures on hand as I've been trying to phase into 1.8mm LEDs and dropping 2x3x4.
I was going to add LEDs to my keyboard soon and was under the impression that the 2x3x4 were the more popular LED option, but you say you are trying to move over to 1.8mm LEDs instead. Is there a bonus to using 1.8mm LEDs that I am not aware of? Sorry if this is a little off topic, but I am still a bit of a newbie in the keyboard world and you seem to be a bit of a veteran so I figured you would know better than I when it comes to LEDs (or keyboards in general) and must be switching for a good reason. Any info you allow me to pick from your brain would be greatly appreciated. :)
2x3x4mm LEDs rub/interfere with Row 4 / 3 Cherry profile keycaps. 1.8mm ones do not. That's why 1.8mm is preferred. :)
Ah, thanks for the info, I had not heard that. I only heard that the round top LEDs can bump thicker keycaps, do you use the flat top? Good to know about the rubbing/interfering with the 2x3x4mm LEDs. You have a nice store btw, im planning on buying some springs and lube from there soon. :)
1.8mm LEDs are round top, but they are so tiny that keycap interference isn't an issue. 3mm round top LEDs are the ones that can potentially interfere with keycaps.
Post by: ashraf on Wed, 10 February 2016, 01:47:08
Aight fine, i'm in too. Picked up 70 of the 67g and 10 of the 78g. Hopefully i wont ruin too many during my first soldering adventure.
As for the LEDs, I don't have pictures on hand as I've been trying to phase into 1.8mm LEDs and dropping 2x3x4.
I was going to add LEDs to my keyboard soon and was under the impression that the 2x3x4 were the more popular LED option, but you say you are trying to move over to 1.8mm LEDs instead. Is there a bonus to using 1.8mm LEDs that I am not aware of? Sorry if this is a little off topic, but I am still a bit of a newbie in the keyboard world and you seem to be a bit of a veteran so I figured you would know better than I when it comes to LEDs (or keyboards in general) and must be switching for a good reason. Any info you allow me to pick from your brain would be greatly appreciated. :)
Thanks for the replies! Definitely looking forward to getting my hands on these R2 switches. I type about 10,000 words a day, and having silky smooth switches definitely helps preserves my sanity.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 10 February 2016, 14:18:59
I am trying to find the proper LEDs to use for my Zealio build but I am having a tough time finding flangeless 1.8mm Green LEDs and flangeless 1.8mm White LEDs.
Any place you recommend buying from?
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 10 February 2016, 14:27:14
Hey Zeal,
I am trying to find the proper LEDs to use for my Zealio build but I am having a tough time finding flangeless 1.8mm Green LEDs and flangeless 1.8mm White LEDs.
Any place you recommend buying from?
Flangless? I got mine from lighthouseleds.com
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 10 February 2016, 14:32:38
Hey Zeal,
I am trying to find the proper LEDs to use for my Zealio build but I am having a tough time finding flangeless 1.8mm Green LEDs and flangeless 1.8mm White LEDs.
Any place you recommend buying from?
They're not flangeless, but I used these in my Zealios without any issues.
http://shop.evilmadscientist.com/productsmenu/partsmenu/399
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 10 February 2016, 14:35:26
Hey Zeal,
I am trying to find the proper LEDs to use for my Zealio build but I am having a tough time finding flangeless 1.8mm Green LEDs and flangeless 1.8mm White LEDs.
Any place you recommend buying from?
Flangless? I got mine from lighthouseleds.com
I'll look into them. Do you have any issues with GMK caps and rubbing with these?
Hey Zeal,
I am trying to find the proper LEDs to use for my Zealio build but I am having a tough time finding flangeless 1.8mm Green LEDs and flangeless 1.8mm White LEDs.
Any place you recommend buying from?
They're not flangeless, but I used these in my Zealios without any issues.
http://shop.evilmadscientist.com/productsmenu/partsmenu/399
Is there any issues with rubbing/scratching with certain cap profiles?
Post by: PikKirby on Wed, 10 February 2016, 15:55:06
Is 10 switch minimum set in stone? I would like to get 5 of each type along with around 50 or so for a keyboard I'm making.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 10 February 2016, 16:37:40
Is 10 switch minimum set in stone? I would like to get 5 of each type along with around 50 or so for a keyboard I'm making.
I can accommodate that. Just trying to reduce the random switch numbers that are ordered.
Post by: damado on Wed, 10 February 2016, 19:34:49
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 10 February 2016, 20:51:08
Hey Zeal,
I am trying to find the proper LEDs to use for my Zealio build but I am having a tough time finding flangeless 1.8mm Green LEDs and flangeless 1.8mm White LEDs.
Any place you recommend buying from?
Flangless? I got mine from lighthouseleds.com
I'll look into them. Do you have any issues with GMK caps and rubbing with these?Hey Zeal,
I am trying to find the proper LEDs to use for my Zealio build but I am having a tough time finding flangeless 1.8mm Green LEDs and flangeless 1.8mm White LEDs.
Any place you recommend buying from?
They're not flangeless, but I used these in my Zealios without any issues.
http://shop.evilmadscientist.com/productsmenu/partsmenu/399
Is there any issues with rubbing/scratching with certain cap profiles?
I put JTK's purple and white keycaps, which are Cherry profile, on them and there are no issues. To be 100% certain, I also tried a few GMK Hyperfuse keys and there were no issues. While I have not tried them, I can't imagine any other profiles having interference issues.
Here are a few pictures to hopefully give you an idea on just how low these sit:
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(http://i.imgur.com/3tE5xrs.jpg)
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Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 10 February 2016, 20:54:21
MoreI put JTK's purple and white keycaps, which are Cherry profile, on them and there are no issues. To be 100% certain, I also tried a few GMK Hyperfuse keys and there were no issues. While I have not tried them, I can't imagine any other profiles having interference issues.Hey Zeal,
I am trying to find the proper LEDs to use for my Zealio build but I am having a tough time finding flangeless 1.8mm Green LEDs and flangeless 1.8mm White LEDs.
Any place you recommend buying from?
Flangless? I got mine from lighthouseleds.com
I'll look into them. Do you have any issues with GMK caps and rubbing with these?Hey Zeal,
I am trying to find the proper LEDs to use for my Zealio build but I am having a tough time finding flangeless 1.8mm Green LEDs and flangeless 1.8mm White LEDs.
Any place you recommend buying from?
They're not flangeless, but I used these in my Zealios without any issues.
http://shop.evilmadscientist.com/productsmenu/partsmenu/399
Is there any issues with rubbing/scratching with certain cap profiles?
Here are a few pictures to hopefully give you an idea on just how low these sit:MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/NfyuvrM.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3tE5xrs.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/y4ntclw.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FRGPnTh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MhIggJV.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8icTOLP.jpg)
Awesome thanks for doing this! Now to pick out colors and such.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 10 February 2016, 22:36:21
Hi, I sent an email to change my order from 67g to 65g. Can I get a confirmation? Order# is 2916.
Oops, somehow went under my radar. Replied.
Post by: lashiel on Wed, 10 February 2016, 23:24:21
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 11 February 2016, 15:48:15
Hopefully I will be able to pick some up when they are in stock in the store again.
Post by: PikKirby on Fri, 12 February 2016, 01:04:10
Is 10 switch minimum set in stone? I would like to get 5 of each type along with around 50 or so for a keyboard I'm making.
I can accommodate that. Just trying to reduce the random switch numbers that are ordered.
Thank you very much Zeal! I hope the GB is a great success :)
Post by: hKing on Fri, 12 February 2016, 14:24:58
if you had to choose between 65 gr and 67 gr, what switch would you prefer and why?
I'm just curious ... ;)
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 12 February 2016, 15:06:46
Hey Zeal,
if you had to choose between 65 gr and 67 gr, what switch would you prefer and why?
I'm just curious ... ;)
My personal favourite is 65g due to the longer tactile bump you feel (I'm also type fairly lightly). 67gs would be my second second choice. 67g Zealios have a bit of a "crisper" tactile bump that feels shorter (bump is still the same) due to the spring, and has a more cushiony bottom out.
Though I've also received plenty of 78g orders, which feel like heavier 67gs with an even more cushiony bottom out.
62g would be for people who like the light tactile feel without having as drawn out of a bump as 65gs.
Post by: hKing on Fri, 12 February 2016, 15:31:52
I can't decide between 65 gr or 67 gr.
My hands a pretty strong, the MX brown switch for me feels like an MX red - I don't have a feeling for it (too light) and therefore make many typos.
That's why I ordered some of your Zealio R1 67 gr. I love them! But for gaming, they are to heavy and I prefer lighter ones ...
:confused: :confused: :confused:
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 12 February 2016, 15:56:33
Thanks for your reply.
I can't decide between 65 gr or 67 gr.
My hands a pretty strong, the MX brown switch for me feels like an MX red - I don't have a feeling for it (too light) and therefore make many typos.
That's why I ordered some of your Zealio R1 67 gr. I love them! But for gaming, they are to heavy and I prefer lighter ones ...
:confused: :confused: :confused:
Try lubing 65gs. :) Very very smooth and quiet. I use my lubed 65g viper for typing, gaming, etc.
Post by: hKing on Fri, 12 February 2016, 16:01:47
Post by: romevi on Fri, 12 February 2016, 16:05:34
Aren't they too light for my preference? I don't know about the 2 gr difference ...
65g are too light. Can't imagine 67g will make a huge difference, so going with 78g this time. :D
Post by: hKing on Fri, 12 February 2016, 16:09:39
I have to decide betwenn 65 and 67 gr.... :-X
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 12 February 2016, 17:47:59
I don't think that those will be comfy for my hands :-*
I have to decide betwenn 65 and 67 gr.... :-X
MX Brown/Reds bottom out at 60g. 62g Zealios are a bit heavier, 65g a bit more, and 67g even more. ;)
The weight differences might not seem like much, but it does affect the feel of the switch.
Post by: Ephemeral on Fri, 12 February 2016, 23:04:59
I've decided to add more switches of the same type to my order. Can I add them in a second order and not get charged shipping twice?
(Sorry if this is a dumb question. First time ordering something through your store)
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 12 February 2016, 23:47:02
Hey Zeal,
I've decided to add more switches of the same type to my order. Can I add them in a second order and not get charged shipping twice?
(Sorry if this is a dumb question. First time ordering something through your store)
PM me your order # / reply to your confirmation email and I'll cancel your current order so you can place a new updated one.
Post by: Ephemeral on Sat, 13 February 2016, 07:26:51
Hey Zeal,
I've decided to add more switches of the same type to my order. Can I add them in a second order and not get charged shipping twice?
(Sorry if this is a dumb question. First time ordering something through your store)
PM me your order # / reply to your confirmation email and I'll cancel your current order so you can place a new updated one.
Thanks for the quick response. PMd.
Post by: awhitedev on Sat, 13 February 2016, 11:43:20
I've tried just about every combination of Cherry switch. My favorite is lubed panda clears.. (black spring in clear housing) I love the tactile bump, however, I always felt that they were slightly too heavy. I feel like if I could have a lighter switch while still keeping the tactility of clears that would be perfect. Because I could never find something like this... I moved away from MX switches to Topre and absolutely love 55g. 45g is good but a little too light to be perfect.
I think one of the 62-67g Zealios may be just right for me... but im not sure which.
Any recommendations based on what I posted?
Post by: geniekid on Sat, 13 February 2016, 12:29:11
So I've read alot of reviews of the various switches but I'm still not sure which I want to go in on for my next phantom.
I've tried just about every combination of Cherry switch. My favorite is lubed panda clears.. (black spring in clear housing) I love the tactile bump, however, I always felt that they were slightly too heavy. I feel like if I could have a lighter switch while still keeping the tactility of clears that would be perfect. Because I could never find something like this... I moved away from MX switches to Topre and absolutely love 55g. 45g is good but a little too light to be perfect.
I think one of the 62-67g Zealios may be just right for me... but im not sure which.
Any recommendations based on what I posted?
I've tried 62g, 65g, and 68g springs with Clear stems for over a week on each weight (for months on the 62 and 65 boards). My personal opinion is that 65g is the best but if you feel that Panda clears are almost there you might like 67g more. I also tend to prefer 45g domes on my Topre versus your preference for 55g so you may very well have a preference for more weight than I do. Also if you're building a Phantom and you have a plate that supports switch top removal you can always mod the Zealios yourself!
Post by: Vittra on Sat, 13 February 2016, 14:19:33
Post by: Liam on Sat, 13 February 2016, 19:13:44
Post by: awhitedev on Sat, 13 February 2016, 19:23:33
I have some questions. Do I need to lube those switch before use n if I do need what oil you recommended to use with those? Thanks you anyway.
IMO one of the biggest selling points of these switches is that you don't need to lube them. They should be very smooth out of the box.
Post by: Liam on Sat, 13 February 2016, 19:42:54
Tks u for that information ;D Really helpful for newbie like me :thumb:I have some questions. Do I need to lube those switch before use n if I do need what oil you recommended to use with those? Thanks you anyway.
IMO one of the biggest selling points of these switches is that you don't need to lube them. They should be very smooth out of the box.
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Sun, 14 February 2016, 00:38:14
Thanks!
Post by: bocahgundul on Sun, 14 February 2016, 05:35:42
Im thinking of building a B87. Do I need PCB mounted or Plate mounted?You can easily mod pcb mounted switches to plate mounted switches easily!. The plate mounted option is for the milky bottom
Thanks!
here is the video :
Good luck on the build bro!
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 14 February 2016, 08:01:12
Im thinking of building a B87. Do I need PCB mounted or Plate mounted?
Thanks!
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Sun, 14 February 2016, 13:54:30
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
Im thinking of building a B87. Do I need PCB mounted or Plate mounted?You can easily mod pcb mounted switches to plate mounted switches easily!. The plate mounted option is for the milky bottom
Thanks!
here is the video :
Good luck on the build bro!
Thanks sir!
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:54:24
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Post by: pichu23 on Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:56:02
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Thick lube I assuming?
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:58:24
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Thick lube I assuming?
Of course! GH V3 thick lube :)
Post by: pichu23 on Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:59:59
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Thick lube I assuming?
Of course! GH V3 thick lube :)
Any difference with the thick lube from techkeys?
I still have some leftover I think. haha
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sun, 14 February 2016, 16:10:29
Shhhhh he'll short you on switches with talk like that lol
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Thick lube I assuming?
Of course! GH V3 thick lube :)
Any difference with the thick lube from techkeys?
I still have some leftover I think. haha
Post by: pichu23 on Sun, 14 February 2016, 16:11:51
Shhhhh he'll short you on switches with talk like that lol
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Thick lube I assuming?
Of course! GH V3 thick lube :)
Any difference with the thick lube from techkeys?
I still have some leftover I think. haha
but I think it should be fine anyways. Just hoping it would be enough for a 60% build.Post by: Zeal on Sun, 14 February 2016, 16:17:44
Shhhhh he'll short you on switches with talk like that lol
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Thick lube I assuming?
Of course! GH V3 thick lube :)
Any difference with the thick lube from techkeys?
I still have some leftover I think. haha
It should be the same :p
About 1-1.5ml is enough for a 60%
Post by: Liam on Mon, 15 February 2016, 10:50:20
So back to my question above, do I need to lube my switch or not? Thank you.
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Thick lube I assuming?
Of course! GH V3 thick lube :)
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 15 February 2016, 11:09:39
So back to my question above, do I need to lube my switch or not? Thank you.
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Thick lube I assuming?
Of course! GH V3 thick lube :)
You don't need to lube your switches by any means, however lubing them will make them smoother. It isn't too drastic but you'll be able to squeeze out another 10-15% of smoothness from the switch.
Post by: asgeirtj on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:12:38
So back to my question above, do I need to lube my switch or not? Thank you.
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Thick lube I assuming?
Of course! GH V3 thick lube :)
You don't need to lube your switches by any means, however lubing them will make them smoother. It isn't too drastic but you'll be able to squeeze out another 10-15% of smoothness from the switch.
I don't really get that people talk about 10-15%, the difference is night and day for me :)
Post by: Liam on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:16:13
k I'll lube then ;DSo back to my question above, do I need to lube my switch or not? Thank you.
My personal opinion on building customs is to always use PCB mounted switches whenever possible, regsrdless if the build uses a plate or not. The B87 PCB supports PCB mounted switches.
Under the event that a PCB doesn't support PCB mounted switches, you can always easily mod them by cutting off the plastic legs.
Thanks. This is going to be my first custom board. Ive never used your switches or even felt them before but it seems like they are really nice from the feedback people have given on them. What is your thoughts and experiences gaming with the 65g purples?
I personally use 65g myself. When lubed, it really brings out a whole different world of smoothness. I use it for gaming and typing with no issues. :)
Thick lube I assuming?
Of course! GH V3 thick lube :)
You don't need to lube your switches by any means, however lubing them will make them smoother. It isn't too drastic but you'll be able to squeeze out another 10-15% of smoothness from the switch.
I don't really get that people talk about 10-15%, the difference is night and day for me :)
Post by: br4n_d0n on Wed, 17 February 2016, 19:44:57
Post by: Happylomo on Wed, 17 February 2016, 22:27:44
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 17 February 2016, 22:46:44
Is there any way to try out these switches without having to buy the minimum of 20?
Not at this time as the switches do not exist yet. "Tester" packs will be listed once the switches have been fully shipped.
Hey Zeal, I might move out from my current apartment in several weeks, is it fine if I just put my current address at the moment, and update you with the new address, once u're ready to ship?
I expect the switches to come in sometime in the middle of March. So you can base your address off that. Packing & re-shipping should take about 2 weeks. If anything, you can always PM me your new (or old) address.
Post by: Happylomo on Wed, 17 February 2016, 23:36:51
I expect the switches to come in sometime in the middle of March. So you can base your address off that. Packing & re-shipping should take about 2 weeks. If anything, you can always PM me your new (or old) address.
Awesome! thanks Zeal! i'll put my order ASAP.
After I scratched my head in deciding between 65g or 67g version, though. :thumb:
Post by: awhitedev on Thu, 18 February 2016, 06:21:12
I expect the switches to come in sometime in the middle of March. So you can base your address off that. Packing & re-shipping should take about 2 weeks. If anything, you can always PM me your new (or old) address.
Awesome! thanks Zeal! i'll put my order ASAP.
After I scratched my head in deciding between 65g or 67g version, though. :thumb:
I scratched my head about that too... In short, the comparisons I kept reading between the two were: 65g has a smooth ergo-clear feeling with a longer drawn out bump in the middle. 67g has a crisper bump, closer to the top of the switch and smooth the rest of the way down. I've not felt the two to compare but I doubt 2g makes the switches that much heavier / lighter. The feeling all comes from the anatomy of the spring that's used most likely.
Post by: Happylomo on Thu, 18 February 2016, 06:39:54
I scratched my head about that too... In short, the comparisons I kept reading between the two were: 65g has a smooth ergo-clear feeling with a longer drawn out bump in the middle. 67g has a crisper bump, closer to the top of the switch and smooth the rest of the way down. I've not felt the two to compare but I doubt 2g makes the switches that much heavier / lighter. The feeling all comes from the anatomy of the spring that's used most likely.
Ohh, thanks alot awhitedev! So at the end, which one did u order?
Basically im trying to find the closest one to topre. If the 67g has a crispier bump closer to the top, and smooth all the way down, then i think it's quite close to topre in terms of tactility? But again, I understand that we can't compare both of them, as they're different breeds. Oh well, maybe i'll just get 67g, and then swap the springs to 62g or 65g if find them to be too heavy ;D
Post by: xondat on Thu, 18 February 2016, 09:07:39
Post by: awhitedev on Thu, 18 February 2016, 10:20:31
I scratched my head about that too... In short, the comparisons I kept reading between the two were: 65g has a smooth ergo-clear feeling with a longer drawn out bump in the middle. 67g has a crisper bump, closer to the top of the switch and smooth the rest of the way down. I've not felt the two to compare but I doubt 2g makes the switches that much heavier / lighter. The feeling all comes from the anatomy of the spring that's used most likely.
Ohh, thanks alot awhitedev! So at the end, which one did u order?
Basically im trying to find the closest one to topre. If the 67g has a crispier bump closer to the top, and smooth all the way down, then i think it's quite close to topre in terms of tactility? But again, I understand that we can't compare both of them, as they're different breeds. Oh well, maybe i'll just get 67g, and then swap the springs to 62g or 65g if find them to be too heavy ;D
I bought some of 67g. The crisper bump at the top sounds similar to Topre... but the rest of the switch will be heavier than Topre because all MX switches get heavier as the switch is pushed down and Topre gets lighter after the bump. 67g is by no means heavy though...
Folks who have personal experience with the 67g switches can chime in and correct me... but this seems to be what I've gathered from all my reading.
Post by: Phenix on Thu, 18 February 2016, 10:35:43
By the way when will it end/when will they be shipping?
Post by: asgeirtj on Thu, 18 February 2016, 12:54:44
I scratched my head about that too... In short, the comparisons I kept reading between the two were: 65g has a smooth ergo-clear feeling with a longer drawn out bump in the middle. 67g has a crisper bump, closer to the top of the switch and smooth the rest of the way down. I've not felt the two to compare but I doubt 2g makes the switches that much heavier / lighter. The feeling all comes from the anatomy of the spring that's used most likely.
Ohh, thanks alot awhitedev! So at the end, which one did u order?
Basically im trying to find the closest one to topre. If the 67g has a crispier bump closer to the top, and smooth all the way down, then i think it's quite close to topre in terms of tactility? But again, I understand that we can't compare both of them, as they're different breeds. Oh well, maybe i'll just get 67g, and then swap the springs to 62g or 65g if find them to be too heavy ;D
I bought some of 67g. The crisper bump at the top sounds similar to Topre... but the rest of the switch will be heavier than Topre because all MX switches get heavier as the switch is pushed down and Topre gets lighter after the bump. 67g is by no means heavy though...
Folks who have personal experience with the 67g switches can chime in and correct me... but this seems to be what I've gathered from all my reading.
I've had boards with all the weights. First of all I thought 65g was my weight, but I found it a little light, but it was just right on days of heavy use. I wanted to try heavier substances so I switched to 67g and at first it was awesome. The feeling of accomplishment pushing it is awesome. The downside is that the last part of pressing the switch you really feel the heaviness. And at prolonged sessions and at days when you are not feeling really well these will be tough. So I'm switching back to 65g. All this is on my work board.
The opposite was true on my Starcraft board, where I spam keys a lot. I went first with 65g but it was just too tiring. I reduced the quantity of playing simply because it was too straining. So I switched to 62g and it is just right for a gaming board which requires spamming. But the 62g not as satisfactory in regular normal daily use.
This is all coming from a guy who has small hands and henceforth probably wimpy hands, and I like lighter switches in general, so YMMV of course.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 18 February 2016, 13:22:47
Is there enough stock for after the GB?
Yes, there will be stock remaining after the GB. Price will go up to $1/switch though.
anyone in Germany who wants to split shipping costs?? Need some.
By the way when will it end/when will they be shipping?
GB ends around the end of Feb. Shipping to me around middle of March.
Post by: gbrldz on Thu, 18 February 2016, 22:24:27
67g or 78g?
Noob here.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 18 February 2016, 22:25:50
Which ones feel more like MX Clears?
67g or 78g?
Noob here.
78g would be a softer clear.
Post by: lootbag on Fri, 19 February 2016, 01:15:27
I've had boards with all the weights. First of all I thought 65g was my weight, but I found it a little light, but it was just right on days of heavy use. I wanted to try heavier substances so I switched to 67g and at first it was awesome. The feeling of accomplishment pushing it is awesome. The downside is that the last part of pressing the switch you really feel the heaviness. And at prolonged sessions and at days when you are not feeling really well these will be tough. So I'm switching back to 65g. All this is on my work board.
The opposite was true on my Starcraft board, where I spam keys a lot. I went first with 65g but it was just too tiring. I reduced the quantity of playing simply because it was too straining. So I switched to 62g and it is just right for a gaming board which requires spamming. But the 62g not as satisfactory in regular normal daily use.
This is all coming from a guy who has small hands and henceforth probably wimpy hands, and I like lighter switches in general, so YMMV of course.
This is how I feel with regards to my 68g vintage blacks.
Feels awesome but after prolonged sessions, the last section of key depress feels overly heavy, I almost always never bottom out on them.
I am still trying to decide whether to go with 65g or 67g.
Pretty sure my hands are not man enough for 78g.
Leaning towards 65g because I am worried the 67g Zealio (tactile) bottom out will be too similar to my 68g vintage blacks.
Post by: Waateva on Fri, 19 February 2016, 15:49:33
I've had boards with all the weights. First of all I thought 65g was my weight, but I found it a little light, but it was just right on days of heavy use. I wanted to try heavier substances so I switched to 67g and at first it was awesome. The feeling of accomplishment pushing it is awesome. The downside is that the last part of pressing the switch you really feel the heaviness. And at prolonged sessions and at days when you are not feeling really well these will be tough. So I'm switching back to 65g. All this is on my work board.
The opposite was true on my Starcraft board, where I spam keys a lot. I went first with 65g but it was just too tiring. I reduced the quantity of playing simply because it was too straining. So I switched to 62g and it is just right for a gaming board which requires spamming. But the 62g not as satisfactory in regular normal daily use.
This is all coming from a guy who has small hands and henceforth probably wimpy hands, and I like lighter switches in general, so YMMV of course.
This is how I feel with regards to my 68g vintage blacks.
Feels awesome but after prolonged sessions, the last section of key depress feels overly heavy, I almost always never bottom out on them.
I am still trying to decide whether to go with 65g or 67g.
Pretty sure my hands are not man enough for 78g.
Leaning towards 65g because I am worried the 67g Zealio (tactile) bottom out will be too similar to my 68g vintage blacks.
Either my fingers are super strong or I am not putting in enough time to qualify as a "prolonged session" because I use Greens at work and Clears at home and never have any fatigue. I would imagine at home I probably don't use them enough for long periods of time but at work, especially right now during our peak time, I am sometimes putting in over 12 hours with appointments in and out and constant data entry going on and my fingers don't seem to have any problems.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 19 February 2016, 15:57:12
I've had boards with all the weights. First of all I thought 65g was my weight, but I found it a little light, but it was just right on days of heavy use. I wanted to try heavier substances so I switched to 67g and at first it was awesome. The feeling of accomplishment pushing it is awesome. The downside is that the last part of pressing the switch you really feel the heaviness. And at prolonged sessions and at days when you are not feeling really well these will be tough. So I'm switching back to 65g. All this is on my work board.
The opposite was true on my Starcraft board, where I spam keys a lot. I went first with 65g but it was just too tiring. I reduced the quantity of playing simply because it was too straining. So I switched to 62g and it is just right for a gaming board which requires spamming. But the 62g not as satisfactory in regular normal daily use.
This is all coming from a guy who has small hands and henceforth probably wimpy hands, and I like lighter switches in general, so YMMV of course.
This is how I feel with regards to my 68g vintage blacks.
Feels awesome but after prolonged sessions, the last section of key depress feels overly heavy, I almost always never bottom out on them.
I am still trying to decide whether to go with 65g or 67g.
Pretty sure my hands are not man enough for 78g.
Leaning towards 65g because I am worried the 67g Zealio (tactile) bottom out will be too similar to my 68g vintage blacks.
Either my fingers are super strong or I am not putting in enough time to qualify as a "prolonged session" because I use Greens at work and Clears at home and never have any fatigue. I would imagine at home I probably don't use them enough for long periods of time but at work, especially right now during our peak time, I am sometimes putting in over 12 hours with appointments in and out and constant data entry going on and my fingers don't seem to have any problems.
Decided to go with 78g springs. I thought they'd be a bit heavy, but the only switch that gives me fatigue is buckling springs, and that's after typing up reports and essays for hours.
Post by: Waateva on Fri, 19 February 2016, 16:00:21
I've had boards with all the weights. First of all I thought 65g was my weight, but I found it a little light, but it was just right on days of heavy use. I wanted to try heavier substances so I switched to 67g and at first it was awesome. The feeling of accomplishment pushing it is awesome. The downside is that the last part of pressing the switch you really feel the heaviness. And at prolonged sessions and at days when you are not feeling really well these will be tough. So I'm switching back to 65g. All this is on my work board.
The opposite was true on my Starcraft board, where I spam keys a lot. I went first with 65g but it was just too tiring. I reduced the quantity of playing simply because it was too straining. So I switched to 62g and it is just right for a gaming board which requires spamming. But the 62g not as satisfactory in regular normal daily use.
This is all coming from a guy who has small hands and henceforth probably wimpy hands, and I like lighter switches in general, so YMMV of course.
This is how I feel with regards to my 68g vintage blacks.
Feels awesome but after prolonged sessions, the last section of key depress feels overly heavy, I almost always never bottom out on them.
I am still trying to decide whether to go with 65g or 67g.
Pretty sure my hands are not man enough for 78g.
Leaning towards 65g because I am worried the 67g Zealio (tactile) bottom out will be too similar to my 68g vintage blacks.
Either my fingers are super strong or I am not putting in enough time to qualify as a "prolonged session" because I use Greens at work and Clears at home and never have any fatigue. I would imagine at home I probably don't use them enough for long periods of time but at work, especially right now during our peak time, I am sometimes putting in over 12 hours with appointments in and out and constant data entry going on and my fingers don't seem to have any problems.
Decided to go with 78g springs. I thought they'd be a bit heavy, but the only switch that gives me fatigue is buckling springs, and that's after typing up reports and essays for hours.
I can't wait for my 78g switches, now to just figure out what they are going on...
Post by: deduction on Fri, 19 February 2016, 16:41:37
I've had boards with all the weights. First of all I thought 65g was my weight, but I found it a little light, but it was just right on days of heavy use. I wanted to try heavier substances so I switched to 67g and at first it was awesome. The feeling of accomplishment pushing it is awesome. The downside is that the last part of pressing the switch you really feel the heaviness. And at prolonged sessions and at days when you are not feeling really well these will be tough. So I'm switching back to 65g. All this is on my work board.
The opposite was true on my Starcraft board, where I spam keys a lot. I went first with 65g but it was just too tiring. I reduced the quantity of playing simply because it was too straining. So I switched to 62g and it is just right for a gaming board which requires spamming. But the 62g not as satisfactory in regular normal daily use.
This is all coming from a guy who has small hands and henceforth probably wimpy hands, and I like lighter switches in general, so YMMV of course.
This is how I feel with regards to my 68g vintage blacks.
Feels awesome but after prolonged sessions, the last section of key depress feels overly heavy, I almost always never bottom out on them.
I am still trying to decide whether to go with 65g or 67g.
Pretty sure my hands are not man enough for 78g.
Leaning towards 65g because I am worried the 67g Zealio (tactile) bottom out will be too similar to my 68g vintage blacks.
Either my fingers are super strong or I am not putting in enough time to qualify as a "prolonged session" because I use Greens at work and Clears at home and never have any fatigue. I would imagine at home I probably don't use them enough for long periods of time but at work, especially right now during our peak time, I am sometimes putting in over 12 hours with appointments in and out and constant data entry going on and my fingers don't seem to have any problems.
Decided to go with 78g springs. I thought they'd be a bit heavy, but the only switch that gives me fatigue is buckling springs, and that's after typing up reports and essays for hours.
I can't wait for my 78g switches, now to just figure out what they are going on...
Absolutely, can't wait to get those 78gs. I plan on lubing the springs in at least one build - I think that should reduce the force just enough to mitigate any potential fatigue issues.
Post by: lootbag on Fri, 19 February 2016, 17:39:33
Either my fingers are super strong or I am not putting in enough time to qualify as a "prolonged session" because I use Greens at work and Clears at home and never have any fatigue. I would imagine at home I probably don't use them enough for long periods of time but at work, especially right now during our peak time, I am sometimes putting in over 12 hours with appointments in and out and constant data entry going on and my fingers don't seem to have any problems.
I think it has to do with me using an HHKB for the past 5 years haha.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 20 February 2016, 04:25:58
I've had boards with all the weights. First of all I thought 65g was my weight, but I found it a little light, but it was just right on days of heavy use. I wanted to try heavier substances so I switched to 67g and at first it was awesome. The feeling of accomplishment pushing it is awesome. The downside is that the last part of pressing the switch you really feel the heaviness. And at prolonged sessions and at days when you are not feeling really well these will be tough. So I'm switching back to 65g. All this is on my work board.
The opposite was true on my Starcraft board, where I spam keys a lot. I went first with 65g but it was just too tiring. I reduced the quantity of playing simply because it was too straining. So I switched to 62g and it is just right for a gaming board which requires spamming. But the 62g not as satisfactory in regular normal daily use.
This is all coming from a guy who has small hands and henceforth probably wimpy hands, and I like lighter switches in general, so YMMV of course.
This is how I feel with regards to my 68g vintage blacks.
Feels awesome but after prolonged sessions, the last section of key depress feels overly heavy, I almost always never bottom out on them.
I am still trying to decide whether to go with 65g or 67g.
Pretty sure my hands are not man enough for 78g.
Leaning towards 65g because I am worried the 67g Zealio (tactile) bottom out will be too similar to my 68g vintage blacks.
Either my fingers are super strong or I am not putting in enough time to qualify as a "prolonged session" because I use Greens at work and Clears at home and never have any fatigue. I would imagine at home I probably don't use them enough for long periods of time but at work, especially right now during our peak time, I am sometimes putting in over 12 hours with appointments in and out and constant data entry going on and my fingers don't seem to have any problems.
Decided to go with 78g springs. I thought they'd be a bit heavy, but the only switch that gives me fatigue is buckling springs, and that's after typing up reports and essays for hours.
I can't wait for my 78g switches, now to just figure out what they are going on...
Absolutely, can't wait to get those 78gs. I plan on lubing the springs in at least one build - I think that should reduce the force just enough to mitigate any potential fatigue issues.
Lubing springs reduces force needed?
Post by: anowt on Sat, 20 February 2016, 23:21:46
Post by: deduction on Sun, 21 February 2016, 19:51:48
I've had boards with all the weights. First of all I thought 65g was my weight, but I found it a little light, but it was just right on days of heavy use. I wanted to try heavier substances so I switched to 67g and at first it was awesome. The feeling of accomplishment pushing it is awesome. The downside is that the last part of pressing the switch you really feel the heaviness. And at prolonged sessions and at days when you are not feeling really well these will be tough. So I'm switching back to 65g. All this is on my work board.
The opposite was true on my Starcraft board, where I spam keys a lot. I went first with 65g but it was just too tiring. I reduced the quantity of playing simply because it was too straining. So I switched to 62g and it is just right for a gaming board which requires spamming. But the 62g not as satisfactory in regular normal daily use.
This is all coming from a guy who has small hands and henceforth probably wimpy hands, and I like lighter switches in general, so YMMV of course.
This is how I feel with regards to my 68g vintage blacks.
Feels awesome but after prolonged sessions, the last section of key depress feels overly heavy, I almost always never bottom out on them.
I am still trying to decide whether to go with 65g or 67g.
Pretty sure my hands are not man enough for 78g.
Leaning towards 65g because I am worried the 67g Zealio (tactile) bottom out will be too similar to my 68g vintage blacks.
Either my fingers are super strong or I am not putting in enough time to qualify as a "prolonged session" because I use Greens at work and Clears at home and never have any fatigue. I would imagine at home I probably don't use them enough for long periods of time but at work, especially right now during our peak time, I am sometimes putting in over 12 hours with appointments in and out and constant data entry going on and my fingers don't seem to have any problems.
Decided to go with 78g springs. I thought they'd be a bit heavy, but the only switch that gives me fatigue is buckling springs, and that's after typing up reports and essays for hours.
I can't wait for my 78g switches, now to just figure out what they are going on...
Absolutely, can't wait to get those 78gs. I plan on lubing the springs in at least one build - I think that should reduce the force just enough to mitigate any potential fatigue issues.
Lubing springs reduces force needed?
In my experience, yes, with the effect being more pronounced at lower stiffness.
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 23 February 2016, 04:23:06
Post by: Drift Monkey on Tue, 23 February 2016, 07:11:22
So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.So I just saw the below weights for gateron, not sure what these mean but they can't be the bottoming out weights can they? Black Gaterons are kind of like MX blacks, just smoother. Does anyone know the bottom out weight for these to compare to zealios?
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Browns - 45g Tactile
Clears - 35g Linear (are these really this light?)
Greens - 80g Clicky
Reds - 45g Linear
Yellows - 50g Linear (what do these compare to? Are these the same as the blacks?)
Thanks
Edit: The Yellow and the Clears are the only ones really not comparable to MX.
I take it you saw this on the Massdrop listing? I think they use actuation force. Yellows are similar to Blacks, yet to me they feel slightly different. I prefer Yellow.
Correct, those are the actuation forces, not bottom out resistance.. and yes, the Gateron Clears really are that light.
Gateron Yellow has the same actuation as Gateron Black, but a lighter bottom out resistance.
anyone got a link to the bottom out force for Gaterons, is there a link?
From what I gathered via rip's tests (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3vusyj/updated_gateron_yellow_experiments_includes/) on reddit: the Gateron bottom out force is a bit softer than the Cherry's.
Blacks - 70g Linear
Yellows - 65g Linear
The trend seemingly follows across the board....smoother and a touch lighter.
Post by: xxxkaliboyxxx on Tue, 23 February 2016, 07:51:55
I sent a PM and a contact message through your site about my address change for the group buy. Thanks in advance.
Post by: Chachal on Tue, 23 February 2016, 16:01:02
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 24 February 2016, 14:13:40
Hey Zeal,Already handled a few days ago. :)
I sent a PM and a contact message through your site about my address change for the group buy. Thanks in advance.
Is there any possibilities that someday Zealios won't do any GB anymore and straight to stock up $1 each on the web all the time?
It is a possibility.
It's almost the end of February folks, don't be one of those people that place a last minute order! :P
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 24 February 2016, 15:26:15
Hey Zeal,Already handled a few days ago. :)
I sent a PM and a contact message through your site about my address change for the group buy. Thanks in advance.Is there any possibilities that someday Zealios won't do any GB anymore and straight to stock up $1 each on the web all the time?
It is a possibility.
It's almost the end of February folks, don't be one of those people that place a last minute order! :P
*places last minute order*
Kidding. I would love to try the 78g switches, but I also don't need more boards. Already loving the 67g and it might be weird going back and forth between 67g and 78g.
Post by: filphil on Wed, 24 February 2016, 19:29:39
Hey Zeal,Already handled a few days ago. :)
I sent a PM and a contact message through your site about my address change for the group buy. Thanks in advance.Is there any possibilities that someday Zealios won't do any GB anymore and straight to stock up $1 each on the web all the time?
It is a possibility.
It's almost the end of February folks, don't be one of those people that place a last minute order! :P
I get paid on Friday! Grr
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 24 February 2016, 23:49:34
Hey Zeal,Already handled a few days ago. :)
I sent a PM and a contact message through your site about my address change for the group buy. Thanks in advance.Is there any possibilities that someday Zealios won't do any GB anymore and straight to stock up $1 each on the web all the time?
It is a possibility.
It's almost the end of February folks, don't be one of those people that place a last minute order! :P
But will R3 a certain? Because my plan is waiting R2 come to your hand so you restock the Zealios tester pack, ordered 2 pack, lubing 1 pack of it, compared all of them and deciding, and ordered on R3. I already have one 65g purple from my friend but somehow I need to know all of the Zealios because I know this will become my end game switch :)
EDIT: And I'm still waiting you restock the spring lube so I can 'one go' all the thin thick spring lube too ;D
Post by: Drift Monkey on Thu, 25 February 2016, 03:07:51
Hey Zeal,Already handled a few days ago. :)
I sent a PM and a contact message through your site about my address change for the group buy. Thanks in advance.Is there any possibilities that someday Zealios won't do any GB anymore and straight to stock up $1 each on the web all the time?
It is a possibility.
It's almost the end of February folks, don't be one of those people that place a last minute order! :P
But will R3 a certain? Because my plan is waiting R2 come to your hand so you restock the Zealios tester pack, ordered 2 pack, lubing 1 pack of it, compared all of them and deciding, and ordered on R3. I already have one 65g purple from my friend but somehow I need to know all of the Zealios because I know this will become my end game switch :)
EDIT: And I'm still waiting you restock the spring lube so I can 'one go' all the thin thick spring lube too ;D
R3 is NOT certain...
Better get dat order in doe! :p
Post by: pichu23 on Thu, 25 February 2016, 05:01:58
Placeholder here just in case I forget. :)
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Thu, 25 February 2016, 09:55:43
Post by: Ephemeral on Thu, 25 February 2016, 10:38:00
I placed my order one weeks ago :P and waiting shipping number :P
We've got a little ways to go before we get that. ;)
GB ends around the end of Feb. Shipping to me around middle of March.
Post by: MMjacksN on Thu, 25 February 2016, 16:43:33
The reason I'm asking is if the value goes above a certain point, I will have to pay extra fees..
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 25 February 2016, 16:47:20
I think you've answered this before, but what do you put as the value for these packages?
The reason I'm asking is if the value goes above a certain point, I will have to pay extra fees..
For EU/Asian orders, they're all marked as $10 Merchandise; "Bag of Pushbutton Switches".
Post by: MMjacksN on Thu, 25 February 2016, 17:11:42
I think you've answered this before, but what do you put as the value for these packages?
The reason I'm asking is if the value goes above a certain point, I will have to pay extra fees..
For EU/Asian orders, they're all marked as $10 Merchandise; "Bag of Pushbutton Switches".
Haha, awesome! :thumb:
Post by: deduction on Thu, 25 February 2016, 17:22:19
It's almost the end of February folks, don't be one of those people that place a last minute order! :P
Totally did this ;D
In my defense, it was to replace a cancelled order with a larger one.
Post by: RickyJ on Fri, 26 February 2016, 02:50:41
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 26 February 2016, 02:59:23
After what felt like a super long Chinese New Year Holiday, I'll finally be receiving some R2 Zealio samples very soon...:)
(http://puu.sh/nlUUq/a804446107.png)
R2 Zealios were just shipped out today, arriving on Monday.
Will take some pictures of the different stem colous of purple, etc.
I've received a few PM's to extend the deadline of the GB and have decided to keep the GB pricing the same until I receive my full order of Zealios from Gateron sometime mid-March. The extended order acceptance date won't affect production time since I'll be placing my order shortly after March 1.
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 26 February 2016, 06:10:29
R3 is NOT certain...
Better get dat order in doe! :p
I hope I can be as sure as anyone else about the weight choice.. But somehow 62g will be the choice since I use MX Reds and I'm loving it but it feels too light from day to day and the linearity starting to kill me lol.
Quick update:
After what felt like a super long Chinese New Year Holiday, I'll finally be receiving some R2 Zealio samples very soon...:)Show Image(http://puu.sh/nlUUq/a804446107.png)
R2 Zealios were just shipped out today, arriving on Monday.
Will take some pictures of the different stem colous of purple, etc.
I've received a few PM's to extend the deadline of the GB and have decided to keep the GB pricing the same until I receive my full order of Zealios from Gateron sometime mid-March. The extended order acceptance date won't affect production time since I'll be placing my order shortly after March 1.
A very good news! Yaaayy!
Post by: Zanduby on Fri, 26 February 2016, 14:15:09
Post by: Drift Monkey on Fri, 26 February 2016, 16:06:38
R3 is NOT certain...
Better get dat order in doe! :p
I hope I can be as sure as anyone else about the weight choice.. But somehow 62g will be the choice since I use MX Reds and I'm loving it but it feels too light from day to day and the linearity starting to kill me lol.
I'm not 100% sure either but the blues I'm using now are too light, and I type pretty heavy so I just went 78g (was stuck between that and 67g like alot of folks). I think if you like reds you'll like the 62s...similar bottom out force with the tactile feel you're probably missing.
Post by: Vimto on Sat, 27 February 2016, 05:06:34
I want to order about 210 67g.
But also want some 72g for spacebars. Is it ok to order 5 of the 72g?
Post by: xondat on Sat, 27 February 2016, 07:18:04
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 27 February 2016, 13:06:35
I want to order about 210 67g.
But also want some 72g for spacebars. Is it ok to order 5 of the 72g?
I don't have any 72g, but have 78g. If it's just 5x for spacebars, I'm fine with that.
Wish linear were an option :( want to get some 67g last minute for a friends build but doesn't ship soon enough. If anyone is selling hmu.
67g linear are still in stock and available for immediate shipment on my store.
Post by: spwath on Sat, 27 February 2016, 16:02:54
I feel I want it to be heavier than browns though, but not as heavy as the grey in the spacebar.
They will be plate mounted, and hand wired.
What switches should I get?
And when is the group buy over, because im not sure ill have the money by march first, I need like a week.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 27 February 2016, 16:10:43
So I am building a custom split layout keyboard, and was originaly going to use MX blacks on hand, but after some time with browns, I found I liked them better.
I feel I want it to be heavier than browns though, but not as heavy as the grey in the spacebar.
They will be plate mounted, and hand wired.
What switches should I get?
And when is the group buy over, because im not sure ill have the money by march first, I need like a week.
The pricing will revert to retail price once I receive my shipment from Gateron around mid-march.
65g/67g Zealio would probably suit your liking.
Post by: spwath on Sat, 27 February 2016, 16:19:39
Ok, thanks.So I am building a custom split layout keyboard, and was originaly going to use MX blacks on hand, but after some time with browns, I found I liked them better.
I feel I want it to be heavier than browns though, but not as heavy as the grey in the spacebar.
They will be plate mounted, and hand wired.
What switches should I get?
And when is the group buy over, because im not sure ill have the money by march first, I need like a week.
The pricing will revert to retail price once I receive my shipment from Gateron around mid-march.
65g/67g Zealio would probably suit your liking.
I think ill go for the ones with milky bottoms to avoid meltage.
What is retail price?
And so they wont go up right after march 1st?
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 27 February 2016, 16:32:17
Ok, thanks.So I am building a custom split layout keyboard, and was originaly going to use MX blacks on hand, but after some time with browns, I found I liked them better.
I feel I want it to be heavier than browns though, but not as heavy as the grey in the spacebar.
They will be plate mounted, and hand wired.
What switches should I get?
And when is the group buy over, because im not sure ill have the money by march first, I need like a week.
The pricing will revert to retail price once I receive my shipment from Gateron around mid-march.
65g/67g Zealio would probably suit your liking.
I think ill go for the ones with milky bottoms to avoid meltage.
What is retail price?
And so they wont go up right after march 1st?
$1/switch. Price will go up sometime mid-march.
Post by: spwath on Sat, 27 February 2016, 16:41:49
OK, great thanks, ill probably be ordering switches soon.Ok, thanks.So I am building a custom split layout keyboard, and was originaly going to use MX blacks on hand, but after some time with browns, I found I liked them better.
I feel I want it to be heavier than browns though, but not as heavy as the grey in the spacebar.
They will be plate mounted, and hand wired.
What switches should I get?
And when is the group buy over, because im not sure ill have the money by march first, I need like a week.
The pricing will revert to retail price once I receive my shipment from Gateron around mid-march.
65g/67g Zealio would probably suit your liking.
I think ill go for the ones with milky bottoms to avoid meltage.
What is retail price?
And so they wont go up right after march 1st?
$1/switch. Price will go up sometime mid-march.
Then i can finaly make my dream keyboard.
I had basically my dream keyboard before, Apple Adjustable Keyboard.
Nice tactile switches, good amount of force (heavier than browns, not too heavy), split layout, large wrist wrest.
Unfortunatly the Alps SKFS switches used in it are prone to failure, and now some switches dont work all the time. I have had to retire it and go on a regular layout.
But now, my dream keyboard will be relized again!
Post by: gameaholic on Sun, 28 February 2016, 15:29:02
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 28 February 2016, 16:06:47
I'm using unlubed broken in ergo clears right now which I like very much. What spring weight should I get? I'm guessing 62g.
67g have the unlubed 62g ergo clear feel (in terms of tactile bump duration). However 65g has been very popular for Zealios.
Post by: pichu23 on Sun, 28 February 2016, 18:57:29
I'm using unlubed broken in ergo clears right now which I like very much. What spring weight should I get? I'm guessing 62g.
67g have the unlubed 62g ergo clear feel (in terms of tactile bump duration). However 65g has been very popular for Zealios.
Heh, I finally caved in. Ordered a couple of 65g's. :)
As to our discussion earlier, I just decided that 60 switches would be sufficient as I have something else planned. :D
Hopefully, not much of a headache for you :-\ and of course, looking forward to the pictures when you receive your switches!
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 29 February 2016, 16:40:15
More pics shortly.
(http://puu.sh/nqdcc/85ee30461c.jpg)
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 29 February 2016, 16:56:55
Damn, the darker shades of purple are hard to capture...
More pics shortly.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nqdcc/85ee30461c.jpg)
Looks good! ;)
Post by: regack on Mon, 29 February 2016, 18:03:28
Damn, the darker shades of purple are hard to capture...
More pics shortly.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nqdcc/85ee30461c.jpg)
These are going to look so good on my board I kind of don't want to put keycaps on them...
Post by: MMjacksN on Tue, 01 March 2016, 15:34:37
Will you have it back in stock before the Zealios ship out?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 01 March 2016, 16:11:33
I see that you're sold out on the GH V3 Thick Lube.
Will you have it back in stock before the Zealios ship out?
Working on getting another batch in, but unlikely they'd arrive in time.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 01 March 2016, 16:23:39
Post by: MMjacksN on Tue, 01 March 2016, 16:31:15
I see that you're sold out on the GH V3 Thick Lube.
Will you have it back in stock before the Zealios ship out?
Working on getting another batch in, but unlikely they'd arrive in time.
I see.
If they do make it in time, will it be possible to include it with my Zealios?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 01 March 2016, 16:41:50
I see that you're sold out on the GH V3 Thick Lube.
Will you have it back in stock before the Zealios ship out?
Working on getting another batch in, but unlikely they'd arrive in time.
I see.
If they do make it in time, will it be possible to include it with my Zealios?
Will try if the lube is ready.
looks great, Zeal. still shipping this month?
Aiming for it!
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 01 March 2016, 20:20:20
I see that you're sold out on the GH V3 Thick Lube.
Will you have it back in stock before the Zealios ship out?
Working on getting another batch in, but unlikely they'd arrive in time.
Is it the same formula as the ones in techkeys?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 01 March 2016, 20:49:11
I see that you're sold out on the GH V3 Thick Lube.
Will you have it back in stock before the Zealios ship out?
Working on getting another batch in, but unlikely they'd arrive in time.
Is it the same formula as the ones in techkeys?
Roughly the same. The formula is always being tweaked by Geekhackers.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 02 March 2016, 00:20:37
(http://puu.sh/nrPe6/9cbabab979.jpg)
#maximumgirth
Sorry, phone pic.
Post by: captsis on Wed, 02 March 2016, 00:45:52
Post by: Diokhan on Wed, 02 March 2016, 01:27:21
Is it worth lubing them meanwhile?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 02 March 2016, 02:21:37
When will the switches ship? and although i already placed my order any problems shipping to Hawaii?
Aiming to start shipping around the end of March. No issues with shipping to Hawaii via DHL, it just takes 2 days instead of overnight.
Will be a while before I will put them on a board.
Is it worth lubing them meanwhile?
I would say yes, definitely. Lubed Zealios are just...(I'm lacking words to describe the feeling...)...so good.
Post by: GoatMaster on Wed, 02 March 2016, 06:10:43
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 02 March 2016, 09:55:37
I see that you're sold out on the GH V3 Thick Lube.
Will you have it back in stock before the Zealios ship out?
Working on getting another batch in, but unlikely they'd arrive in time.
Is it the same formula as the ones in techkeys?
Roughly the same. The formula is always being tweaked by Geekhackers.
I'm just making sure I get what lube you recommended (the one on zealpc of course but the thick and spring are sold out). Cause this should be my end game MX type switch.
What's the difference on the opened R1 R2 pic? Seems like I'm too noob to see the difference :p
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 02 March 2016, 10:39:41
Post by: Ephemeral on Wed, 02 March 2016, 10:57:09
should I be picking up the foam pad stickers on massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-sound-dampening-brackets?utm_placement=5&referer=BY5MJL&mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202016-03-02&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional)? I already have some rubber 50A o-rings waiting to go with them as well. For what its worth, i'm building a Sentraq S60-X
The Sentraq S60-X has a plate, and those brackets (according to the description) are not compatible with plate mounted switches.
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 02 March 2016, 11:12:21
should I be picking up the foam pad stickers on massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-sound-dampening-brackets?utm_placement=5&referer=BY5MJL&mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202016-03-02&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional)? I already have some rubber 50A o-rings waiting to go with them as well. For what its worth, i'm building a Sentraq S60-X
The Sentraq S60-X has a plate, and those brackets (according to the description) are not compatible with plate mounted switches.
Oh... well that answers that then :thumb: Thanks
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 02 March 2016, 13:00:27
i have a bit of a noob question... but if i want my zeal switches (67g with 78g space/backspace/return) to have the ultimate "ca-thump" feel, should I be picking up the foam pad stickers on massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-sound-dampening-brackets?utm_placement=5&referer=BY5MJL&mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202016-03-02&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional)? I already have some rubber 50A o-rings waiting to go with them as well. For what its worth, i'm building a Sentraq S60-X
Those GMK QMX clips only work on PCB mounted keyboards. So any keyboard with a plate will not be compatible with the QMX Clips. I am developing something similar that can support plate mounted keyboards though. Stay tuned. :thumb:
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 02 March 2016, 14:35:30
Just something I noticed when opening up R1 & R2 Zealios. :oShow Image(http://puu.sh/nrPe6/9cbabab979.jpg)
#maximumgirth
Sorry, phone pic.
Any significant difference that I'm suppose to be looking at?
Wasn't in the R1 gb. :-X
Post by: Diokhan on Wed, 02 March 2016, 14:38:22
I see that you're sold out on the GH V3 Thick Lube.
Will you have it back in stock before the Zealios ship out?
Working on getting another batch in, but unlikely they'd arrive in time.
Is it the same formula as the ones in techkeys?
Roughly the same. The formula is always being tweaked by Geekhackers.
I'm just making sure I get what lube you recommended (the one on zealpc of course but the thick and spring are sold out). Cause this should be my end game MX type switch.
What's the difference on the opened R1 R2 pic? Seems like I'm too noob to see the difference :p
would like to know what lube to get as well :P
Post by: Ephemeral on Wed, 02 March 2016, 14:47:00
What's the difference on the opened R1 R2 pic? Seems like I'm too noob to see the difference :p
Any significant difference that I'm suppose to be looking at?
Wasn't in the R1 gb. :-X
The only thing I can see is the difference in thickness of the housing. My baby eyes may be deceiving me, though.
I circled where I'm seeing it.
[attach=1]
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 02 March 2016, 15:01:13
What's the difference on the opened R1 R2 pic? Seems like I'm too noob to see the difference :pAny significant difference that I'm suppose to be looking at?
Wasn't in the R1 gb. :-X
The only thing I can see is the difference in thickness of the housing. My baby eyes may be deceiving me, though.
I circled where I'm seeing it.
[attach=1]
No...that's just a misalignment of the switch bottoms.
I'm referring to the leaf bend
(http://puu.sh/nsuXn/d983911e8d.jpg)
I see that you're sold out on the GH V3 Thick Lube.
Will you have it back in stock before the Zealios ship out?
Working on getting another batch in, but unlikely they'd arrive in time.
Is it the same formula as the ones in techkeys?
Roughly the same. The formula is always being tweaked by Geekhackers.
I'm just making sure I get what lube you recommended (the one on zealpc of course but the thick and spring are sold out). Cause this should be my end game MX type switch.
What's the difference on the opened R1 R2 pic? Seems like I'm too noob to see the difference :p
would like to know what lube to get as well :P
Working on getting a thick lube formula with Geekhackers. Will update in here when I get my first batch in. It can be used as spring and thick switch lube.
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 02 March 2016, 15:11:32
What's the difference on the opened R1 R2 pic? Seems like I'm too noob to see the difference :pAny significant difference that I'm suppose to be looking at?
Wasn't in the R1 gb. :-X
The only thing I can see is the difference in thickness of the housing. My baby eyes may be deceiving me, though.
I circled where I'm seeing it.
(Attachment Link)
No...that's just a misalignment of the switch bottoms.
I'm referring to the leaf bendShow Image(http://puu.sh/nsuXn/d983911e8d.jpg)
Ah... right. I see it now :D
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 02 March 2016, 15:24:37
What's the difference on the opened R1 R2 pic? Seems like I'm too noob to see the difference :pAny significant difference that I'm suppose to be looking at?
Wasn't in the R1 gb. :-X
The only thing I can see is the difference in thickness of the housing. My baby eyes may be deceiving me, though.
I circled where I'm seeing it.
(Attachment Link)
No...that's just a misalignment of the switch bottoms.
I'm referring to the leaf bendShow Image(http://puu.sh/nsuXn/d983911e8d.jpg)I see that you're sold out on the GH V3 Thick Lube.
Will you have it back in stock before the Zealios ship out?
Working on getting another batch in, but unlikely they'd arrive in time.
Is it the same formula as the ones in techkeys?
Roughly the same. The formula is always being tweaked by Geekhackers.
I'm just making sure I get what lube you recommended (the one on zealpc of course but the thick and spring are sold out). Cause this should be my end game MX type switch.
What's the difference on the opened R1 R2 pic? Seems like I'm too noob to see the difference :p
would like to know what lube to get as well :P
Working on getting a thick lube formula with Geekhackers. Will update in here when I get my first batch in. It can be used as spring and thick switch lube.
Lube, girth... Are we still talking about switches here?
Post by: Drift Monkey on Wed, 02 March 2016, 15:30:41
What's the difference on the opened R1 R2 pic? Seems like I'm too noob to see the difference :pAny significant difference that I'm suppose to be looking at?
Wasn't in the R1 gb. :-X
The only thing I can see is the difference in thickness of the housing. My baby eyes may be deceiving me, though.
I circled where I'm seeing it.
(Attachment Link)
No...that's just a misalignment of the switch bottoms.
I'm referring to the leaf bendShow Image(http://puu.sh/nsuXn/d983911e8d.jpg)
Ah... right. I see it now :D
At first I thought it was the whole switch housing, then I realized it was jsut the perspective of the shot. :D
Post by: MMjacksN on Wed, 02 March 2016, 16:29:45
Maybe someone else cancelled their order?
EDIT: I can see now that you changed it to "pre-order".
Post by: nostalico on Wed, 02 March 2016, 22:18:32
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 02 March 2016, 22:44:30
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 03 March 2016, 03:43:57
This makes me want to trampoline mod the zealio/Aristotle combo switches that I'll be doing, so that I can get a silenced bottom out and a silenced upstroke so that all I'll hear is the wonderful click! Oooooo that would be exciting!!!i have a bit of a noob question... but if i want my zeal switches (67g with 78g space/backspace/return) to have the ultimate "ca-thump" feel, should I be picking up the foam pad stickers on massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-sound-dampening-brackets?utm_placement=5&referer=BY5MJL&mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202016-03-02&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional)? I already have some rubber 50A o-rings waiting to go with them as well. For what its worth, i'm building a Sentraq S60-X
Those GMK QMX clips only work on PCB mounted keyboards. So any keyboard with a plate will not be compatible with the QMX Clips. I am developing something similar that can support plate mounted keyboards though. Stay tuned. :thumb:
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Thu, 03 March 2016, 12:54:58
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Thu, 03 March 2016, 15:15:43
As far as LEDs, I know these were "opened up" for RGB, but having never built an LED keyboard, do Zealios accept standard 3mm LEDs also? Might be a dumb question, but I couldn't find any reference to LEDs.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 03 March 2016, 16:04:31
I am also looking to place a last minute pre-order today! BUT I have a question...
As far as LEDs, I know these were "opened up" for RGB, but having never built an LED keyboard, do Zealios accept standard 3mm LEDs also? Might be a dumb question, but I couldn't find any reference to LEDs.
Yes, they accept 3mm, 2x3x4mm, 1.8mm, and future 4 pin RGB LEDs.
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Fri, 04 March 2016, 00:55:49
Post by: bnthor on Fri, 04 March 2016, 03:47:00
Post by: Quakemz on Fri, 04 March 2016, 04:51:26
Post by: eksuen on Fri, 04 March 2016, 12:57:20
Any estimate on ship date? I'm stoked to use these smooth 62g Zealios for my first custom board!
I feel a growing trend of people not bothering to read all the information provided...
From Zeal's website where you place your order:
"Orders will "soft close" on March 1, 2016 23:59:59 PST. After this time, the order will be placed with the manufacturer. Pre-order pricing will remain until the product is fully received. Production time + shipping will take roughly 2 weeks. Reshipping bulk order from Zeal PC to you will take roughly 3 weeks. Orders are shipped based on a first-come-first-serve basis. "
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 04 March 2016, 18:38:14
Anyone interested in developing a 4 pin RGB LED PCB? :P
(http://puu.sh/nv534/2542b23ded.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/nv55q/f14f2ac76c.JPG)
I'll be stocking a few thousand of these 4pin RGB LEDs soon.
Post by: hnaeht on Fri, 04 March 2016, 18:50:15
Just something I noticed when opening up R1 & R2 Zealios. :oWhat do you mean? I dont see any differences between themShow Image(http://puu.sh/nrPe6/9cbabab979.jpg)
#maximumgirth
Sorry, phone pic.
Post by: pichu23 on Fri, 04 March 2016, 18:52:12
Just something I noticed when opening up R1 & R2 Zealios. :oWhat do you mean? I dont see any differences between themShow Image(http://puu.sh/nrPe6/9cbabab979.jpg)
#maximumgirth
Sorry, phone pic.
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http://puu.sh/nsuXn/d983911e8d.jpg
Here. He posted it above actually lol.
Post by: Atredl on Fri, 04 March 2016, 19:01:27
I don't believe waterclear 4 pin RGB LEDs have been used in RGB keyboards yet... Just got this sample freshly produced :)
Anyone interested in developing a 4 pin RGB LED PCB? :PShow Image(http://puu.sh/nv534/2542b23ded.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/nv55q/f14f2ac76c.JPG)
I'll be stocking a few thousand of these 4pin RGB LEDs soon.
Yes please! 4pin RGB compatible PCB is one of the things I'm waiting for!
Post by: William_S_Jones on Fri, 04 March 2016, 23:15:04
Post by: spanyam on Sat, 05 March 2016, 18:44:07
Post by: regack on Sat, 05 March 2016, 19:54:10
Show ImageI don't believe waterclear 4 pin RGB LEDs have been used in RGB keyboards yet... Just got this sample freshly produced :)
Anyone interested in developing a 4 pin RGB LED PCB? :p
(http://puu.sh/nv534/2542b23ded.jpg) (http://puu.sh/nv534/2542b23ded.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/nv55q/f14f2ac76c.JPG) (http://puu.sh/nv55q/f14f2ac76c.JPG)
I'll be stocking a few thousand of these 4pin RGB LEDs soon.
Yes please! 4pin RGB compatible PCB is one of the things I'm waiting for!
I've made a SMD 0606 RGB LED PCB - I think making alterations to support 4 pin LEDs might not be too much of a stretch. That said, it's a very busy PCB since I have it controlled by WS2811 ICs instead of some other controller. In fact, I'm waiting for this R2 purchase in order to complete my little 40% board (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79929.0). They draw a lot of power, that's the one thing I've noticed so far.
More
(http://i.imgur.com/igwTcIF.jpg)
More
(http://i.imgur.com/fCQiEJq.gif)
Do you have some footprint info for that LED? I'll see what I can work out.
Post by: spanyam on Sat, 05 March 2016, 20:01:10
Post by: Waateva on Sat, 05 March 2016, 20:11:36
One more question. Is there a good guide anywhere on how to lube a Zealio switch? Is it significantly different from lubing an MX? (I've never done either) Also, what's the most recommended lube to use on Zealios?
My understanding is that Zealios switches come lightly lubed right from the factory but that with how smooth they are it's not really needed. If you decided to lube them though, I don't see why they would be any different than a standard Cherry switch.
Post by: Chewypost on Sat, 05 March 2016, 20:13:41
Show ImageI don't believe waterclear 4 pin RGB LEDs have been used in RGB keyboards yet... Just got this sample freshly produced :)
Anyone interested in developing a 4 pin RGB LED PCB? :p
(http://puu.sh/nv534/2542b23ded.jpg) (http://puu.sh/nv534/2542b23ded.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/nv55q/f14f2ac76c.JPG) (http://puu.sh/nv55q/f14f2ac76c.JPG)
I'll be stocking a few thousand of these 4pin RGB LEDs soon.
Yes please! 4pin RGB compatible PCB is one of the things I'm waiting for!
I've made a SMD 0606 RGB LED PCB - I think making alterations to support 4 pin LEDs might not be too much of a stretch. That said, it's a very busy PCB since I have it controlled by WS2811 ICs instead of some other controller. In fact, I'm waiting for this R2 purchase in order to complete my little 40% board (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79929.0). They draw a lot of power, that's the one thing I've noticed so far.
More
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/igwTcIF.jpg)
More
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fCQiEJq.gif)
Do you have some footprint info for that LED? I'll see what I can work out.
Uh oh.. I may have to switch out my plan and pcb x.X. Is it hard to find a pcb with 4pin LED support?
Post by: spanyam on Sat, 05 March 2016, 20:32:19
My understanding is that Zealios switches come lightly lubed right from the factory but that with how smooth they are it's not really needed. If you decided to lube them though, I don't see why they would be any different than a standard Cherry switch.
Oh I see. I do remember seeing Zeal mention that it's highly recommended to lube them just to get the best out of the switches. But okay, thanks. I'll take a look at them once they're in. Which lube is generally recommended (silicone / oil / grease / thick vs thin)?
Post by: jebbra on Sat, 05 March 2016, 21:08:20
My understanding is that Zealios switches come lightly lubed right from the factory but that with how smooth they are it's not really needed. If you decided to lube them though, I don't see why they would be any different than a standard Cherry switch.
Oh I see. I do remember seeing Zeal mention that it's highly recommended to lube them just to get the best out of the switches. But okay, thanks. I'll take a look at them once they're in. Which lube is generally recommended (silicone / oil / grease / thick vs thin)?
Based on Zeal advice and GH Lube description on zealpc the thick lube is suitable for purple zealios and other tactile switch like brown and clear while the thin lube is for clear zealios and other linear switch like red and black. GH Lube is Krytox mix btw.
I myself ended up pre-ordered GH thick lube from zealpc as I order 65g purple zealios.
Post by: Bromono on Sat, 05 March 2016, 21:08:47
I don't believe waterclear 4 pin RGB LEDs have been used in RGB keyboards yet... Just got this sample freshly produced :)
Anyone interested in developing a 4 pin RGB LED PCB? :PShow Image(http://puu.sh/nv534/2542b23ded.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/nv55q/f14f2ac76c.JPG)
I'll be stocking a few thousand of these 4pin RGB LEDs soon.
What is the benefit of 4 pin over 2 pin?
Just curious.
Post by: spanyam on Sat, 05 March 2016, 21:12:53
Based on Zeal advice and GH Lube description on zealpc the thick lube is suitable for purple zealios and other tactile switch like brown and clear while the thin lube is for clear zealios and other linear switch like red and black. GH Lube is Krytox mix btw.
I myself ended up pre-ordered GH thick lube from zealpc as I order 65g purple zealios.
Perfect, that's exactly what I wanted to know. Now to check if Zeal will allow me to add the lube to an existing order of switches and have them shipped together. :)
Post by: Vimto on Sat, 05 March 2016, 21:13:54
I don't believe waterclear 4 pin RGB LEDs have been used in RGB keyboards yet... Just got this sample freshly produced :)
Anyone interested in developing a 4 pin RGB LED PCB? :PShow Image(http://puu.sh/nv534/2542b23ded.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/nv55q/f14f2ac76c.JPG)
I'll be stocking a few thousand of these 4pin RGB LEDs soon.
What is the benefit of 4 pin over 2 pin?
Just curious.
I think 4 pin supports RGB. 2 pin only supports one colour.
Post by: Bromono on Sat, 05 March 2016, 21:17:05
I don't believe waterclear 4 pin RGB LEDs have been used in RGB keyboards yet... Just got this sample freshly produced :)
Anyone interested in developing a 4 pin RGB LED PCB? :PShow Image(http://puu.sh/nv534/2542b23ded.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/nv55q/f14f2ac76c.JPG)
I'll be stocking a few thousand of these 4pin RGB LEDs soon.
What is the benefit of 4 pin over 2 pin?
Just curious.
I think 4 pin supports RGB. 2 pin only supports one colour.
Ahh okay. Makes sense now. Surprised there are not PCBs that support that already out.
Post by: Liam on Sat, 05 March 2016, 21:34:42
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 06 March 2016, 17:22:15
Do you have some footprint info for that LED? I'll see what I can work out.
Sure. Here's the spec sheet: LED must be facing up when designing the PCB (meaning switch logo is upside down).
(http://puu.sh/nxnjT/bee9c5e041.png)
Hi Zeal. Can you help me to check my order? I remember I purchased last month but I just have my paypal transaction :))
You should have received an email confirmation of your order as well. The PayPal transaction should also have the details. Regardless, please PM me your transaction # and I'll let you know your order.
Post by: yomammary on Sun, 06 March 2016, 20:27:21
Post by: regack on Sun, 06 March 2016, 20:52:05
Do you have some footprint info for that LED? I'll see what I can work out.
Sure. Here's the spec sheet: LED must be facing up when designing the PCB (meaning switch logo is upside down).More(http://puu.sh/nxnjT/bee9c5e041.png) (http://puu.sh/nxnjT/bee9c5e041.png)
Thanks Zeal. Overlapping/optional switch positions are... more complicated with this. Not sure that some of them are actually possible except by jumpers or something. I'll make a test board with this. Is it possible for me to buy some of these LEDs to add onto my R2 order so I can test?
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 06 March 2016, 21:02:06
Do you have some footprint info for that LED? I'll see what I can work out.
Sure. Here's the spec sheet: LED must be facing up when designing the PCB (meaning switch logo is upside down).More(http://puu.sh/nxnjT/bee9c5e041.png) (http://puu.sh/nxnjT/bee9c5e041.png)
Thanks Zeal. Overlapping/optional switch positions are... more complicated with this. Not sure that some of them are actually possible except by jumpers or something. I'll make a test board with this. Is it possible for me to buy some of these LEDs to add onto my R2 order so I can test?
Please PM me your order #. I'll include a few for free. :)
Forgot to mention. The RGB LEDs are common anode.
Post by: WNovizar on Mon, 07 March 2016, 00:22:41
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 07 March 2016, 04:10:42
Hello zeal, I joined this GB, but is it possible to change shipping address again?
Please PM / email me the change, thanks.
Post by: bmilcs on Mon, 07 March 2016, 10:10:15
Hello zeal, I joined this GB, but is it possible to change shipping address again?
Please PM / email me the change, thanks.
Hey Zeal; when is the cut-off poiint? I'm still thinking about doing this group buy :)
Also, has anyone swapped stock MX Clear springs into these?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 07 March 2016, 14:08:35
Hello zeal, I joined this GB, but is it possible to change shipping address again?
Please PM / email me the change, thanks.
Hey Zeal; when is the cut-off poiint? I'm still thinking about doing this group buy :)
Also, has anyone swapped stock MX Clear springs into these?
Order has been placed, and the buy is still "open" til I receive the switches mid March.
Post by: WNovizar on Mon, 07 March 2016, 16:42:22
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 08 March 2016, 14:38:33
March 7/8 update:
Switches are currently in production and are scheduled to complete on March 15/16.
Orders are still open, and quantities have been set. Switch price will remain the same until order arrives.
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 08 March 2016, 18:32:08
Quick update:
March 7/8 update:
Switches are currently in production and are scheduled to complete on March 15/16.
Orders are still open, and quantities have been set. Switch price will remain the same until order arrives.
yay :D
Post by: spwath on Wed, 09 March 2016, 18:12:41
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 10 March 2016, 04:46:40
Quick update:
March 7/8 update:
Switches are currently in production and are scheduled to complete on March 15/16.
Orders are still open, and quantities have been set. Switch price will remain the same until order arrives.
HYPE!
The 65g milky bottom is like this current SMD LED Gateron on MD?
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/smd-led-compatible-gateron-switches/MD-14613_20151222110206_5959fae28ee1be50.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=1023&dpr=1)
Or like the old Gateron?
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_poll/Switches/QY0wdS1SSzi5R9BHTDca_md_img.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=450&h=450&dpr=1)
Post by: bmilcs on Thu, 10 March 2016, 09:13:46
Post by: Diokhan on Thu, 10 March 2016, 09:31:51
They support leds right?
If so can I order the orange ones from you? (will they fit?)
And what else should I order for building my first KB :)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 10 March 2016, 19:40:54
Quick update:
March 7/8 update:
Switches are currently in production and are scheduled to complete on March 15/16.
Orders are still open, and quantities have been set. Switch price will remain the same until order arrives.
HYPE!
The 65g milky bottom is like this current SMD LED Gateron on MD?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/smd-led-compatible-gateron-switches/MD-14613_20151222110206_5959fae28ee1be50.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=1023&dpr=1)
Or like the old Gateron?Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_poll/Switches/QY0wdS1SSzi5R9BHTDca_md_img.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=450&h=450&dpr=1)
It'll be like the "old" Gateron translucent base.
Hey guys. What spring do you recommend for me here? I have found that Pok3r MX Clears are too soft for me and KUL ES-87 were about ideal. The KUL's are thicker looking, more robust springs. What 24k spring do you suggest for mine? 100g?
If both Poker and KUL used MX Clears, then they should've both felt the same. 100g springs are similar to MX Clears in weight (they bottom out at 100cN/~100g), so if you wanted something a bit heavier, 120g would be the go to spring.
Hey Zeal I ordered the 78g switches.
They support leds right?
If so can I order the orange ones from you? (will they fit?)
And what else should I order for building my first KB :)
Yes, my switches support all the common LED variants. 3mm, 2x3x4mm, 1.8mm, 4 pin RGB.
I offer 1.8mm orange LEDs through my shop. PM me your order # if you'd like to add some to your order.
Post by: balthaz4r on Thu, 10 March 2016, 22:20:13
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 10 March 2016, 23:38:11
Anyone mind to explain the difference between Thick Lube and Spring Lube? I read somewhere Thick Lube can be used for spring too, if yes why even bother make another one just for the spring? Not to mention it almost or the same price as Thick one while it is only 1/4 in the volume.
(Truth is I think about purchasing Spring Lube from Techkeys along with some stickers so need some light here).
Post by: DanD3n on Fri, 11 March 2016, 04:49:16
Will there be any other GB (R3) this year? And if yes, do you have any estimation as when it will be? I never tried* a clear switch before and thus i can't decide if i would like them or not, or the weight to choose. I was thinking buying a switch tester and later decide on what to order.
*i've only had experience with browns, blues, white, linear grey, blacks, reds and some black alps.
-brown's bump i can barely feel and it's undefined. Don't like it because this reason.
-blues and whites have a clear bump that i like, but they are too noisy.
-i like the weight feel of the blacks, but they are at the top of the force i can feel comfortable pressing. Greys are too hard to press, reds are too light.
-black alps are interesting, they have the bump right at the top and it's pretty pleasant. What i don't like is after you press it, there's almost no resistance and i bottom out every time. But i really, really like that bump, more than cherry's. Is it similar with the zealio?
ps: i know the force rating of zealios is for bottoming out, not for actuation point. What i have a hard time understanding is the feel of the bump. People say it's "crisp" and more defined than on browns, but this doesn't help me much, unfortunately.
later edit: if i pre-order 70 switches now, will i receive them until 8th of April at the most (US address)?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 March 2016, 14:27:08
Cool, I'm fine with whatever it is, just need something to release the hype lol.
Anyone mind to explain the difference between Thick Lube and Spring Lube? I read somewhere Thick Lube can be used for spring too, if yes why even bother make another one just for the spring? Not to mention it almost or the same price as Thick one while it is only 1/4 in the volume.
(Truth is I think about purchasing Spring Lube from Techkeys along with some stickers so need some light here).
Spring lube has always been thicker than thick lube. I've been working with Geekhackers to make a "middle ground" thick lube that can be used for stems and spring, reducing the need to buy both lubes.
Hi Zeal (and hello Geekhack, my first post here),
Will there be any other GB (R3) this year? And if yes, do you have any estimation as when it will be? I never tried* a clear switch before and thus i can't decide if i would like them or not, or the weight to choose. I was thinking buying a switch tester and later decide on what to order.
*i've only had experience with browns, blues, white, linear grey, blacks, reds and some black alps.
-brown's bump i can barely feel and it's undefined. Don't like it because this reason.
-blues and whites have a clear bump that i like, but they are too noisy.
-i like the weight feel of the blacks, but they are at the top of the force i can feel comfortable pressing. Greys are too hard to press, reds are too light.
-black alps are interesting, they have the bump right at the top and it's pretty pleasant. What i don't like is after you press it, there's almost no resistance and i bottom out every time. But i really, really like that bump, more than cherry's. Is it similar with the zealio?
ps: i know the force rating of zealios is for bottoming out, not for actuation point. What i have a hard time understanding is the feel of the bump. People say it's "crisp" and more defined than on browns, but this doesn't help me much, unfortunately.
later edit: if i pre-order 70 switches now, will i receive them until 8th of April at the most (US address)?
There might be a R3 GB this year, probably around summer time. Will have to see as I have a few other projects planned for the summer too.
Zealios are modeled after the MX Clear bump, while being much smoother. The springs are also lighter than MX Clear stock springs, which many people like. We call this the "ergo clear" mod. Except the springs are all factory assembled inside already, with minimal modding required, if any.
It's really hard to describe how a bump can be more tactile, you'll just have to imagine it or take my word for it. :))
If you pre-order 70 switches now, delivery on or before April 8 should be possible. Please leave a note inside your order if you're traveling out and I'll do my best to accommodate your needs.
Post by: DanD3n on Fri, 11 March 2016, 14:58:21
It's really hard to describe how a bump can be more tactile, you'll just have to imagine it or take my word for it. :))I was hoping for a comparison with the level of tactility of Blues/Whites/Black Alps switches, as these i've tested and have what i would consider a pronounced tactile bump. :)
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 March 2016, 15:57:03
It's really hard to describe how a bump can be more tactile, you'll just have to imagine it or take my word for it. :))I was hoping for a comparison with the level of tactility of Blues/Whites/Black Alps switches, as these i've tested and have what i would consider a pronounced tactile bump. :)
It's more tactile than clicky switches for sure. The legs on clicky switches look pretty similar to MX Brown legs. Can't comment on Alps as I don't have any to compare.
Post by: chroness on Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:11:04
Post by: iaeen on Fri, 11 March 2016, 19:35:10
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 11 March 2016, 20:37:49
Spring lube has always been thicker than thick lube. I've been working with Geekhackers to make a "middle ground" thick lube that can be used for stems and spring, reducing the need to buy both lubes.
I assume this middle ground lube is the one that open for PO now on your site?
Post by: spanyam on Fri, 11 March 2016, 21:07:53
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 March 2016, 21:39:50
Hey Zeal. Is there any chance you would be putting together some sample packs to sell in between rounds? Sounds like there is some demand for that in this thread. I picked up a bunch of 65 grams for a couple builds I have planned, but I would be interested in trying some other weights as well.
Sample packs are available on my site. https://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/zealio-switch-sampler-pack
Spring lube has always been thicker than thick lube. I've been working with Geekhackers to make a "middle ground" thick lube that can be used for stems and spring, reducing the need to buy both lubes.
I assume this middle ground lube is the one that open for PO now on your site?
Correct.
Any harm in just using the GH V3 Thick Lube on the springs too?
No harm. It will work fine as well.
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 11 March 2016, 23:25:57
The increased price must be due the volume increase as now it needs to supply both the stem and spring. If yes, I think you should update the info on the web, many people will be saved by this lube!
Now if only you have red stickers on the web..
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 11 March 2016, 23:55:15
Cool! Sayonara techkeys lube :p
The increased price must be due the volume increase as now it needs to supply both the stem and spring. If yes, I think you should update the info on the web, many people will be saved by this lube!
Now if only you have red stickers on the web..
The supplier actually increased their bulk price, and a new formulation had to be made, hence the price increase. :/ Volume should still be the same 1.8mm vial.
As for stickers, I actually don't recommend them at all. There's not enough gap in between the Zealios to fit them, and trying to add stickers is just adding unnecessary pressure. For any other switch, stickers just collect dust and aren't worth the time.
Post by: jebbra on Sat, 12 March 2016, 01:49:48
The supplier actually increased their bulk price, and a new formulation had to be made, hence the price increase. :/ Volume should still be the same 1.8mm vial.
As for stickers, I actually don't recommend them at all. There's not enough gap in between the Zealios to fit them, and trying to add stickers is just adding unnecessary pressure. For any other switch, stickers just collect dust and aren't worth the time.
Awww I hope 1 I won't mess up enough when lubing so 1 vial will enough for Infinity 60% stems and springs :-X
I will take your advice, only want the looks with stickers actually but if it collect dust and Zealios already tight enough I agree they give no profit at all.
Seems like I have no questions left, thank you!
Where's the waiting room?
Post by: Atredl on Sat, 12 March 2016, 18:44:48
Cool! Sayonara techkeys lube :p
The increased price must be due the volume increase as now it needs to supply both the stem and spring. If yes, I think you should update the info on the web, many people will be saved by this lube!
Now if only you have red stickers on the web..
The supplier actually increased their bulk price, and a new formulation had to be made, hence the price increase. :/ Volume should still be the same 1.8mm vial.
As for stickers, I actually don't recommend them at all. There's not enough gap in between the Zealios to fit them, and trying to add stickers is just adding unnecessary pressure. For any other switch, stickers just collect dust and aren't worth the time.
I hadn't realized that there was less wiggle room in the Zealios. Just pulled out a few of the spares I have and compared it to some clears. I've never applied stickers to cure the wobble though, I just really like the way they look under clear switch tops. It's a small thing but I really like how it looks.
Post by: Bromono on Mon, 14 March 2016, 11:29:54
Post by: Chewypost on Mon, 14 March 2016, 12:42:17
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 14 March 2016, 13:56:41
Hey Zeal. I orderd awhile back some switches. can I add more to that order? I orderd enough fora 60% but I have decided to go towards an 1800 build.
Please pm me your order # so I can arrange for you to place a new updated order.
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 14 March 2016, 14:03:04
Post by: DanD3n on Tue, 15 March 2016, 08:55:39
Zeal, i've wrote you a note about this when i've placed my order, i hope it's possible to ship and receive the package before 6-7th of april, thank you for understanding.
Post by: spwath on Thu, 17 March 2016, 12:42:54
Post by: cmd on Thu, 17 March 2016, 13:22:01
So when should we expect switches to arrive?
This is from this site, "Orders will "soft close" on March 1, 2016 23:59:59 PST. After this time, the order will be placed with the manufacturer. Pre-order pricing will remain until the product is fully received. Production time + shipping will take roughly 2 weeks. Reshipping bulk order from Zeal PC to you will take roughly 3 weeks. Orders are shipped based on a first-come-first-serve basis. "
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:51:04
Post by: LeandreN on Thu, 17 March 2016, 14:59:40
I am hyped to try some 78g.
Post by: spwath on Thu, 17 March 2016, 15:21:34
Switches are done manufacturing, currently being packed and should be shipped very soon. DHL Express'ing the shipment will only take 2 business days. Once the switches arrive, they'll be sorted and shipped out asap.Great!
But I dont get my keycaps until may so....
But I will final have my split keyboard now!
Post by: Zanduby on Fri, 18 March 2016, 21:11:50
Post by: Fullcream on Fri, 18 March 2016, 21:54:23
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 18 March 2016, 23:18:08
Zeal, will you have extras to buy? I ordered enough to build a numpad but want to make a 60% and need 31 more switches. Let me know. Thanks.
Yes, extra switches were ordered. If you wanted to order, PM me your order # and we'll work things out.
Post by: bmilcs on Sat, 19 March 2016, 00:05:37
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 19 March 2016, 00:17:50
I can't decide what spring to order. Zeal, I'm currently using ergo-ish clears with 78g for the first time. While gaming, I can feel my wrists and fingers getting smashed from bottoming out. Typing with these is really, really nice but gaming not so much. I am considering modding my work keyboard, Pok3r, with maybe Zealios and stock clear springs.
You'd be the first person to swap out the "aftermarket" springs pre-installed in the switches :P
It sounds like you'd enjoy 65g or 67g. Not as heavy as 78g. 65g for a more drawn out bump, 67g for a similar bump that's "snappier" like 78gs.
Post by: AgentZen on Sat, 19 March 2016, 03:35:39
Post by: Xiro7 on Sat, 19 March 2016, 09:33:50
Post by: pichu23 on Sat, 19 March 2016, 10:39:27
Switches are done manufacturing, currently being packed and should be shipped very soon. DHL Express'ing the shipment will only take 2 business days. Once the switches arrive, they'll be sorted and shipped out asap.
Whoaa, whatt. That's super quick!
I don't even have a pcb for it yet. :)
Hehe, excited though!
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 19 March 2016, 11:52:43
Switches are done manufacturing, currently being packed and should be shipped very soon. DHL Express'ing the shipment will only take 2 business days. Once the switches arrive, they'll be sorted and shipped out asap.
Awesome! Have a couple of builds waiting and was gonna do one the next day's using Gaterons.
Now I'm very tempted to wait for dem Zealios tho... >_>
Post by: Lost2Frostbite on Sat, 19 March 2016, 19:40:28
Post by: Atredl on Sat, 19 March 2016, 20:16:03
Does anyone have leftover tactile switches? I need 9 to 13 to complete a build :/ I just did not see the point of joining the buy for this little.
Zeal has then in stock. Just buy 20 (10x2) to make it easy for him. Shipping won't be too different from him or whoever else sends them too you.
Post by: asl on Sat, 19 March 2016, 23:03:17
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Sun, 20 March 2016, 16:29:29
I placed an order for 95 of the 67g switches on March 12th. I checked my bank/paypal and looks like nothing has been charged yet. Will it charge when it ships or... did I do something wrong?
Mine came out immediately when I joined the group buy.
Post by: hnaeht on Mon, 21 March 2016, 21:03:10
Switches are done manufacturing, currently being packed and should be shipped very soon. DHL Express'ing the shipment will only take 2 business days. Once the switches arrive, they'll be sorted and shipped out asap.
Zeal,
I face 2 issues with the zelios sw round 1 and wonder that if they can be fixed in round 2.
Currently I'm using zelios 65g tactile.
1. When I put led on sw, I cannot press the keycap bottom out. Because the led is higher than sw top cover.
It's because of gateron sw's top cover. The issue is not happened on Cherry top cover.
Only led 1.8mm fits the keycap. Other types face the same issue.
2. Chattering sw.
It often repeats key and I always have to be careful not to type twice/three times when I use it.
I soldered 61 sw for my 60% keyboard and found that there are 11 sws have this issue :eek:
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 21 March 2016, 23:27:57
Switches are done manufacturing, currently being packed and should be shipped very soon. DHL Express'ing the shipment will only take 2 business days. Once the switches arrive, they'll be sorted and shipped out asap.
Zeal,
I face 2 issues with the zelios sw round 1 and wonder that if they can be fixed in round 2.
Currently I'm using zelios 65g tactile.
1. When I put led on sw, I cannot press the keycap bottom out. Because the led is higher than sw top cover.
It's because of gateron sw's top cover. The issue is not happened on Cherry top cover.
Only led 1.8mm fits the keycap. Other types face the same issue.
2. Chattering sw.
It often repeats key and I always have to be careful not to type twice/three times when I use it.
I soldered 61 sw for my 60% keyboard and found that there are 11 sws have this issue :eek:
1. If you use 3mm or 2x3x4mm LEDs, there will always be clearance issues with Cherry profile keycaps, regardless of Cherry or Gateron switches. This is not a Gateron top or Cherry top issue, but the LEDs used. That's why everyone should eventually move to 1.8mm LEDs.
2. Alterations to the contact leaves have been made to fix this issue for R2. It should be fixed this time around. Users are still advised not to over-heat a pin to prevent deformation of the bottom transparent housings. Plate mounted milky variants won't encounter this issue.
Post by: ctrlX on Tue, 22 March 2016, 04:16:22
Switches are done manufacturing, currently being packed and should be shipped very soon. DHL Express'ing the shipment will only take 2 business days. Once the switches arrive, they'll be sorted and shipped out asap.
Zeal,
I face 2 issues with the zelios sw round 1 and wonder that if they can be fixed in round 2.
Currently I'm using zelios 65g tactile.
1. When I put led on sw, I cannot press the keycap bottom out. Because the led is higher than sw top cover.
It's because of gateron sw's top cover. The issue is not happened on Cherry top cover.
Only led 1.8mm fits the keycap. Other types face the same issue.
2. Chattering sw.
It often repeats key and I always have to be careful not to type twice/three times when I use it.
I soldered 61 sw for my 60% keyboard and found that there are 11 sws have this issue :eek:
1. If you use 3mm or 2x3x4mm LEDs, there will always be clearance issues with Cherry profile keycaps, regardless of Cherry or Gateron switches. This is not a Gateron top or Cherry top issue, but the LEDs used. That's why everyone should eventually move to 1.8mm LEDs.
2. Alterations to the contact leaves have been made to fix this issue for R2. It should be fixed this time around. Users are still advised not to over-heat a pin to prevent deformation of the bottom transparent housings. Plate mounted milky variants won't encounter this issue.
I soldered in my R1 Zealios in my Orion V2 about 2 weeks ago and I am also having chattering issues. 6-7 switches are effected depending on how picky I want to be. One switch is repeatedly registering key presses to the point it is not good for typing. I am uncertain if it classifies as chattering as the problem switches are registering key presses before the tactile bump. Some of the switches are even registering key presses by just moving/wobbling the key from side to side.
Which brings me to my question (maybe this has already been answered)... My switches feel incredibly wobbly, especially with SA caps. The high profile might be a contributing factor but I tested with standard OEM profile caps for a short while and found them wobbly also. Is this something that has been addressed with R2 Zealios? If not, will there be any improvements of this in a possible R3 release?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 22 March 2016, 05:53:12
I soldered in my R1 Zealios in my Orion V2 about 2 weeks ago and I am also having chattering issues. 6-7 switches are effected depending on how picky I want to be. One switch is repeatedly registering key presses to the point it is not good for typing. I am uncertain if it classifies as chattering as the problem switches are registering key presses before the tactile bump. Some of the switches are even registering key presses by just moving/wobbling the key from side to side.
Which brings me to my question (maybe this has already been answered)... My switches feel incredibly wobbly, especially with SA caps. The high profile might be a contributing factor but I tested with standard OEM profile caps for a short while and found them wobbly also. Is this something that has been addressed with R2 Zealios? If not, will there be any improvements of this in a possible R3 release?
The wobble on higher profile caps has been mentioned before, and I am aware of this issue. R2 was adjusting the metal leaf to reduce/eliminate the chance of chatter. I'm still in the process of trying to push for a slight mould alteration to address the wobble concern for R3.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 22 March 2016, 05:54:37
First half of shipment has been picked up by DHL. ETA of switches and delivery on Wednesday & Thursday.
Post by: ctrlX on Tue, 22 March 2016, 06:10:51
Awsome! Keep up the good work!I soldered in my R1 Zealios in my Orion V2 about 2 weeks ago and I am also having chattering issues. 6-7 switches are effected depending on how picky I want to be. One switch is repeatedly registering key presses to the point it is not good for typing. I am uncertain if it classifies as chattering as the problem switches are registering key presses before the tactile bump. Some of the switches are even registering key presses by just moving/wobbling the key from side to side.
Which brings me to my question (maybe this has already been answered)... My switches feel incredibly wobbly, especially with SA caps. The high profile might be a contributing factor but I tested with standard OEM profile caps for a short while and found them wobbly also. Is this something that has been addressed with R2 Zealios? If not, will there be any improvements of this in a possible R3 release?
The wobble on higher profile caps has been mentioned before, and I am aware of this issue. R2 was adjusting the metal leaf to reduce/eliminate the chance of chatter. I'm still in the process of trying to push for a slight mould alteration to address the wobble concern for R3.
Post by: Xiro7 on Tue, 22 March 2016, 08:28:30
Post by: steelcity on Tue, 22 March 2016, 08:48:45
Has there been any testing done on the R2 clear bottom switches to determine if the leaf changes have eliminated the chattering issue without causing any new issues? I'm not an expert in switch design, but I would hate to install these and find out that there is no chattering, but now the switches get stuck or something because of the changes. Just curious how much testing of the new R2 design took place before these get shipped. My apologies if this was discussed in a different thread.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 22 March 2016, 17:11:10
Will the R3 switches all have Milky bottoms to address the melting issue? Or can the plastic used in the clear bottoms be adjusted any to raise the melting point and to reduce/eliminate the chances of heat induced chattering?
Has there been any testing done on the R2 clear bottom switches to determine if the leaf changes have eliminated the chattering issue without causing any new issues? I'm not an expert in switch design, but I would hate to install these and find out that there is no chattering, but now the switches get stuck or something because of the changes. Just curious how much testing of the new R2 design took place before these get shipped. My apologies if this was discussed in a different thread.
There are no plans to remove the transparent bottoms. After all, the whole point of the switch concept was to make a transparent housing. Milky bottoms may be offered again for R3, but it's mostly intended as a "fail-proof" beginner soldering switch and/or for mass production use.
As mentioned before, there's nothing you can do with upping the melting point of transparent plastics. Anything transparent/clear (heatshrink, plastic, etc) will always have a lower melting point due to the "purity" of the material.
R2 Zealios have already been used for keyboard builds and have gone through testing. It works as intended and no issues have been reported.
Post by: Happylomo on Tue, 22 March 2016, 18:17:08
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 22 March 2016, 18:20:31
Zeal, I just moved to a new address. Should I email you? or pm you here for the new one?
Please email me with your new address and I'll have it updated.
Post by: rand77 on Wed, 23 March 2016, 00:55:10
I think it would be a great project to desolder the existing switches from the keyboard, and replace them with Zealios!
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 23 March 2016, 00:59:39
Hey Zeal, are Zealios pin compatible with Cherry RGB switches? I was exploring the possibility of replacing the switches on a standard Corsair RGB keyboard with Zealios.
I think it would be a great project to desolder the existing switches from the keyboard, and replace them with Zealios!
There are small SMD LEDs under the Corsair RGB PCBs. Zealios won't "properly" sit on them, but there have been people who have swapped in Zealios into Corsair RGB boards without issue.
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 23 March 2016, 05:50:01
March 22 update:
First half of shipment has been picked up by DHL. ETA of switches and delivery on Wednesday & Thursday.
Niceeeee ;D
Post by: bmilcs on Wed, 23 March 2016, 13:30:56
Not sure what I plan on doing with them but I have many plans. I opted for 65g and can't wait to try them out. If it's too light, I have 68g and 78g 24k springs on hand.
Ergo dox maybe? Or an Atomic? So many questions. So little time.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 23 March 2016, 14:31:23
First half of shipment, 84kg. 2 Days for delivery. :)
(http://i.imgur.com/O9pfBIj.jpg)
Post by: Drift Monkey on Wed, 23 March 2016, 15:31:04
Post by: johuu on Wed, 23 March 2016, 15:39:22
Post by: Chewypost on Wed, 23 March 2016, 16:39:29
Post by: DanD3n on Wed, 23 March 2016, 18:08:26
Post by: lootbag on Wed, 23 March 2016, 18:34:01
One quick question, 2x3x4 LEDs fit inside Zealios switches right?
I searched and found a couple answers on reddit, but just want to triple confirm.
Of course that would not allow me to use SIP sockets, if they are installed inside the switch.
I know 1.8mm is recommended but 2x3x4 offers a bit more colour selection.
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 23 March 2016, 18:50:29
I am two hours from Shenzhen, watching Zealios ship to B.C. and waiting for them to ship back to me in Hong Kong makes me sad.
One quick question, 2x3x4 LEDs fit inside Zealios switches right?
I searched and found a couple answers on reddit, but just want to triple confirm.
Of course that would not allow me to use SIP sockets, if they are installed inside the switch.
I know 1.8mm is recommended but 2x3x4 offers a bit more colour selection.
Yes, 2x3x4mm LEDs fit, but may have clearance issues with Cherry profile caps.
Post by: lootbag on Wed, 23 March 2016, 19:04:07
Yes, 2x3x4mm LEDs fit, but may have clearance issues with Cherry profile caps.
Yeah, I know they have clearance issues installed outside of the switch.
Experiencing that right now, 2x3x4 LEDs with vintage blacks making contact with my GMK TA keycaps when I bottom out.
Wanted clarification if they fit "inside" the switch but I think I've answered my own question:
(http://i.imgur.com/bbYpfZ7.jpg)
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 23 March 2016, 19:06:40
Yes, 2x3x4mm LEDs fit, but may have clearance issues with Cherry profile caps.
Yeah, I know they have clearance issues installed outside of the switch.
Experiencing that right now, 2x3x4 LEDs with vintage blacks making contact with my GMK TA keycaps when I bottom out.
Wanted clarification if they fit "inside" the switch but I think I've answered my own question:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bbYpfZ7.jpg)
Ahh, I misunderstood the question. Looks like they do fit. I'm curious to see what those look like when illuminated.
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 23 March 2016, 21:00:47
Show Image(http://puu.sh/nRi69/80da5543a1.png)
First half of shipment, 84kg. 2 Days for delivery. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/O9pfBIj.jpg)
84kg's of switches?!
Holy :-X
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 24 March 2016, 01:00:15
How many switches fit into one box?
You can guess, but I won't be releasing that number. ;)
That's a lot of switches. :eek: When's the second half coming?
I'm guessing in under 15hours of this post. They were shipped one day apart from each other.
I am two hours from Shenzhen, watching Zealios ship to B.C. and waiting for them to ship back to me in Hong Kong makes me sad.
One quick question, 2x3x4 LEDs fit inside Zealios switches right?
I searched and found a couple answers on reddit, but just want to triple confirm.
Of course that would not allow me to use SIP sockets, if they are installed inside the switch.
I know 1.8mm is recommended but 2x3x4 offers a bit more colour selection.
Yes, 2x3x4mm LEDs fit inside Zealios. Fitting them into a plate could be a tough fit since the LED will block the tabs from compressing properly into a plate. Removing the switch with an LED inside from the plate could be problematic as well.
Show Image(http://puu.sh/nRi69/80da5543a1.png)
First half of shipment, 84kg. 2 Days for delivery. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/O9pfBIj.jpg)
84kg's of switches?!
Holy :-X
Only first half ^-^
Post by: lootbag on Thu, 24 March 2016, 02:03:50
Yes, 2x3x4mm LEDs fit inside Zealios. Fitting them into a plate could be a tough fit since the LED will block the tabs from compressing properly into a plate. Removing the switch with an LED inside from the plate could be problematic as well.
Thanks for the info Zeal.
I guess to avoid issues, 1.8mm mounted outside the switch (or in SIP sockets), would be the safest bet.
Post by: laughatpain on Thu, 24 March 2016, 02:06:27
Yes, 2x3x4mm LEDs fit inside Zealios. Fitting them into a plate could be a tough fit since the LED will block the tabs from compressing properly into a plate. Removing the switch with an LED inside from the plate could be problematic as well.
Thanks for the info Zeal.
I guess to avoid issues, 1.8mm mounted outside the switch (or in SIP sockets), would be the safest bet.
Did you actually try inserting them into a plate? The color choices of 2x3x4 are hard to pass up. Would be bummed with the 1.8mm color selection
Post by: spanyam on Thu, 24 March 2016, 02:38:44
Post by: bmilcs on Thu, 24 March 2016, 05:39:29
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/95yxB4jMd5M/hqdefault.jpg)
Post by: Maxusy on Thu, 24 March 2016, 08:30:30
Post by: johuu on Thu, 24 March 2016, 10:11:36
How many switches fit into one box?
You can guess, but I won't be releasing that number. ;)
5000?
Post by: bmilcs on Thu, 24 March 2016, 10:25:22
How many switches fit into one box?
You can guess, but I won't be releasing that number. ;)
5000?
My guess would be adding another 0 to that. Edit: Probably much more.
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 24 March 2016, 12:11:21
Just wondering Zeal, are there specific things I should be careful with when opening the switches to puts 2x3x4mm's inside of them? Dust? Fragile parts?
No need to worry about dust. These things are fairly simple inside and dust won't harm them. Just don't loose the spring or the slider. Sometimes they have the tendency to jump a little. I usually like to keep a bowl under the switch when taking them apart.
Post by: TerryMathews on Thu, 24 March 2016, 16:18:39
How many switches fit into one box?
You can guess, but I won't be releasing that number. ;)
5000?
I think so too, 5250 to be specific. He said there was 84kg in the picture, 12 boxes is 7kg/box. Multiple places I've seen 120ct of Gateron switches having a shipping weight of 5.6oz, which is ~160 grams. That gives us 5,250/box or a total in the picture of 63,000 switches. Give or take a few. :D
Post by: johuu on Thu, 24 March 2016, 16:34:11
How many switches fit into one box?
You can guess, but I won't be releasing that number. ;)
5000?
I think so too, 5250 to be specific. He said there was 84kg in the picture, 12 boxes is 7kg/box. Multiple places I've seen 120ct of Gateron switches having a shipping weight of 5.6oz, which is ~160 grams. That gives us 5,250/box or a total in the picture of 63,000 switches. Give or take a few. :D
Based on your number each box has a sell value of $3937.50 :)
Post by: piemancoder on Thu, 24 March 2016, 20:44:48
How many switches fit into one box?
You can guess, but I won't be releasing that number. ;)
5000?
I think so too, 5250 to be specific. He said there was 84kg in the picture, 12 boxes is 7kg/box. Multiple places I've seen 120ct of Gateron switches having a shipping weight of 5.6oz, which is ~160 grams. That gives us 5,250/box or a total in the picture of 63,000 switches. Give or take a few. :D
Based on your number each box has a sell value of $3937.50 :)
I think by that point, you would get a bulk discount.
Post by: bmilcs on Fri, 25 March 2016, 09:07:34
How many switches fit into one box?
You can guess, but I won't be releasing that number. ;)
5000?
I think so too, 5250 to be specific. He said there was 84kg in the picture, 12 boxes is 7kg/box. Multiple places I've seen 120ct of Gateron switches having a shipping weight of 5.6oz, which is ~160 grams. That gives us 5,250/box or a total in the picture of 63,000 switches. Give or take a few. :D
Based on your number each box has a sell value of $3937.50 :)
I think by that point, you would get a bulk discount.
How many switches fit into one box?
You can guess, but I won't be releasing that number. ;)
5000?
I think so too, 5250 to be specific. He said there was 84kg in the picture, 12 boxes is 7kg/box. Multiple places I've seen 120ct of Gateron switches having a shipping weight of 5.6oz, which is ~160 grams. That gives us 5,250/box or a total in the picture of 63,000 switches. Give or take a few. :D
You are not playing games, sir.
Post by: roadkill54 on Fri, 25 March 2016, 09:34:41
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Fri, 25 March 2016, 12:46:37
I have no idea why I even entered this GB. Still have almost 200+ zealios in a bag sitting on my work table with no board to go in yet. I'm still excited though. WTF is wrong with me.....The same thing that's wrong with all of us...
Post by: bmilcs on Fri, 25 March 2016, 14:00:13
Post by: rand77 on Sun, 27 March 2016, 02:44:05
I am really excited about about this switch!
Post by: zeltner on Sun, 27 March 2016, 11:00:02
Post by: Xiro7 on Sun, 27 March 2016, 13:04:33
woohoo just received a tracking number this morning! Timing on this couldn't be more perfect. The Sentraq S60-X group buy and the 60% case group buy I joined back in January are both out for shipment and expected this week as well!
Beyond jealous. Have a few builds waiting on mine to arrive. I had to combine orders, so mine prob got pushed to the end of the queue.
Post by: Imoby on Sun, 27 March 2016, 13:57:12
Just had a quick question since this is my first order for switches from Zeal. I ordered the 67g Zealio switches and it didn't mention when the shipment might come in. Kinda curious since many haven't gotten theirs yet what's the current estimate for someone who just put an order in just now.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 27 March 2016, 15:01:03
Hey Zeal, if we ordered the v3 lube along with the switches, we can expect the package to come in around a month from now, right? I'm okay with that, just checking.
Yes, roughly, hopefully sooner though.
Hello everyone,
Just had a quick question since this is my first order for switches from Zeal. I ordered the 67g Zealio switches and it didn't mention when the shipment might come in. Kinda curious since many haven't gotten theirs yet what's the current estimate for someone who just put an order in just now.
Since your order is at the end of the shipping queue, a rough estimate would be mid-April.
Post by: Malenky on Sun, 27 March 2016, 16:17:52
Now to learn how to solder :D
Post by: eeymiel on Sun, 27 March 2016, 19:27:09
I think the v3 lube was still in stock when I ordered. Will I also have to wait a month now?Hey Zeal, if we ordered the v3 lube along with the switches, we can expect the package to come in around a month from now, right? I'm okay with that, just checking.
Yes, roughly, hopefully sooner though.
EDIT: nevermind just received a shipping notification :)
Post by: mrging on Mon, 28 March 2016, 07:18:21
Post by: DanD3n on Mon, 28 March 2016, 07:47:05
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 28 March 2016, 09:21:23
Has the second shipment arrived? And does the shipping to US really takes only 1 or 2 days?
Yeah I think he uses DHL Express and it's a pretty quick delivery time.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 28 March 2016, 16:53:36
is it lubed?
Zealios are lubed very lightly from the factory. It is still advised to perform a full lube job if you want the best of the best.
Has the second shipment arrived? And does the shipping to US really takes only 1 or 2 days?
Second shipment was delayed due to Easter holiday. I just received a call from DHL a few minutes ago and they said they'll do an evening delivery of the remainder half tonight.
Yes, shipments to the US deliver overnight. Hawaii/Alaska and a very few remote cities take 2 days.
Post by: DanD3n on Mon, 28 March 2016, 18:52:33
Quote
Zealios are lubed very lightly from the factory. It is still advised to perform a full lube job if you want the best of the best.Since the thick lube wasn't available when i've placed my order, i bought some thin lube. Would thin lube be a waste on the purple zeals? I might use them on my mx blacks, if so...
Post by: Quakemz on Mon, 28 March 2016, 19:25:44
From what I've read, they require a signature, and I would rather plan to be home that day. :)
Post by: humdar on Mon, 28 March 2016, 19:34:01
Yes, shipments to the US deliver overnight. Hawaii/Alaska and a very few remote cities take 2 days.
How long would it take to ship to a Canadian city?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 28 March 2016, 19:45:20
Yay, my order has been shipped! Thank you!QuoteZealios are lubed very lightly from the factory. It is still advised to perform a full lube job if you want the best of the best.Since the thick lube wasn't available when i've placed my order, i bought some thin lube. Would thin lube be a waste on the purple zeals? I might use them on my mx blacks, if so...
You could experiment, but the optimal lube mixture for tactile is still "thick" Krytox.
I placed my order on 2/26. Is there any possible way to know what day they will be delivered, so I can be home to accept them?If you receive a notification from DHL, and you see that the shipment is "Picked up", then you can expect the shipment to arrive the next day (for USA). DHL usually comes and pick up around 2-3pm PDT around my area, so any labels printed afterwards are most likely being shipped the next day.
From what I've read, they require a signature, and I would rather plan to be home that day. :)
DHL sometimes requires signature, it depends on the driver. If you want them to leave it at the door with no signature, then just sign a piece of paper with your tracking # and a small message to leave at door.
Yes, shipments to the US deliver overnight. Hawaii/Alaska and a very few remote cities take 2 days.
How long would it take to ship to a Canadian city?
Depends on location and shipping speed. I ship from BC, Canada. Expedited Parcel to Ontario/Quebec takes around 4 business days. Xpresspost takes 2. Shipping locally in BC is next day.
Post by: himynameisbunny on Mon, 28 March 2016, 20:33:15
Post by: VentureG on Tue, 29 March 2016, 13:02:43
Post by: Xiro7 on Tue, 29 March 2016, 13:07:23
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 29 March 2016, 13:13:39
Zeal: If we had several orders merged, does that push us to the end of the queue? I had you merge 3 orders for me last week and am curious if I have several more weeks to wait for them to go out.
Unfortunately, yes, it does bump you back to the line. :/
Still working on shipping as much as possible though.
Post by: Xiro7 on Tue, 29 March 2016, 13:35:35
Zeal: If we had several orders merged, does that push us to the end of the queue? I had you merge 3 orders for me last week and am curious if I have several more weeks to wait for them to go out.
Unfortunately, yes, it does bump you back to the line. :/
Still working on shipping as much as possible though.
Dang. Oh well, it will be well worth the wait once I get them into a few kits I have sitting on my desk.
Post by: pichu23 on Tue, 29 March 2016, 17:48:59
My order arrived! Can't wait to get these into my board
Ohh so fast! :) Must be one of those that ordered real early :P
Post by: popkorn62 on Tue, 29 March 2016, 17:54:59
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 29 March 2016, 18:29:57
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.
(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.
(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
Post by: rm-rf on Tue, 29 March 2016, 18:31:04
Got my second half of the shipment in this afternoon. This shipment contained all the 62g and 78g Zealios, so those orders will start going out.how did you tape all those boxes to the ceiling?
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Tue, 29 March 2016, 18:51:00
Got my second half of the shipment in this afternoon. This shipment contained all the 62g and 78g Zealios, so those orders will start going out.how did you tape all those boxes to the ceiling?
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
Hes in canada, not australia!
Post by: Zanduby on Tue, 29 March 2016, 20:27:12
Got my second half of the shipment in this afternoon. This shipment contained all the 62g and 78g Zealios, so those orders will start going out.
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
Awesome work Zeal! Can't wait for mine to arrive.
Post by: pichu23 on Tue, 29 March 2016, 20:36:32
Got my second half of the shipment in this afternoon. This shipment contained all the 62g and 78g Zealios, so those orders will start going out.
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
Whoa, you're a shipping monster dude ;D
Post by: alexjd99 on Tue, 29 March 2016, 22:21:29
Got my second half of the shipment in this afternoon. This shipment contained all the 62g and 78g Zealios, so those orders will start going out.
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
Damn, it's been only a month and this GB is already coming to a close.
Zeal, you sure know how to run a GB :thumb:
Post by: cmd on Tue, 29 March 2016, 23:16:42
Got my second half of the shipment in this afternoon. This shipment contained all the 62g and 78g Zealios, so those orders will start going out.Where is the 67g love my man?!
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 29 March 2016, 23:28:59
Got my second half of the shipment in this afternoon. This shipment contained all the 62g and 78g Zealios, so those orders will start going out.Where is the 67g love my man?!
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
67g and 65g were in the first shipment that came in last week before the Easter holidays. :P
Post by: cmd on Tue, 29 March 2016, 23:32:01
I see I see. I'm still unfilled status :(Got my second half of the shipment in this afternoon. This shipment contained all the 62g and 78g Zealios, so those orders will start going out.Where is the 67g love my man?!
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
67g and 65g were in the first shipment that came in last week before the Easter holidays.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 30 March 2016, 00:05:17
I see I see. I'm still unfilled status :(Got my second half of the shipment in this afternoon. This shipment contained all the 62g and 78g Zealios, so those orders will start going out.Where is the 67g love my man?!
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
67g and 65g were in the first shipment that came in last week before the Easter holidays.
Patience, young grasshopper. You will soon be united with your feelios. ;)
Post by: ctrlX on Wed, 30 March 2016, 00:48:20
Post by: kaeeeede on Wed, 30 March 2016, 00:57:44
Post by: Liam on Wed, 30 March 2016, 01:17:33
Got my second half of the shipment in this afternoon. This shipment contained all the 62g and 78g Zealios, so those orders will start going out.Where is the 67g love my man?!
Shipped about 120 orders these past 2 days, will work on getting more orders packed and shipped asap.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYNzA/b849d67ee9.jpg)
Taping boxes, preparing them for labels.Show Image(http://puu.sh/nYL5e/9d96c77129.jpg)
67g and 65g were in the first shipment that came in last week before the Easter holidays. :P
Can you check my order. I ordered 65g one but they haven't come yet. Mine is #2988 I believe.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 30 March 2016, 05:10:13
Post by: LeandreN on Wed, 30 March 2016, 05:36:39
Post by: Dee1 on Wed, 30 March 2016, 09:05:58
If the switches are in my cart from the other day but are showing as sold out on the item page, am I good to order them or does the cart not update when it's sold out? Just wondering as I don't want to place the order if the switches aren't actually available. :)
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 30 March 2016, 09:12:00
Installed the 67g yesterday as well:
(http://i.imgur.com/AzTi92z.jpg)
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 30 March 2016, 11:06:42
Got my order of 65g and 67g yesterday. Thanks for another great GB Zeal! :thumb:
Installed the 67g yesterday as well:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AzTi92z.jpg)
Ayy, that ain't a Filco eh :p
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 30 March 2016, 12:25:26
Got my order of 65g and 67g yesterday. Thanks for another great GB Zeal! :thumb:
Installed the 67g yesterday as well:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AzTi92z.jpg)
Ayy, that ain't a Filco eh :p
It was at one point in it's life :))
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 30 March 2016, 12:42:35
Guys, it's only been the second and now third day since I started shipping orders... You'll get a notification when your order is shipped. Try to avoid emailing me/asking in here for shipping statuses please. :) I'll have everyone's order shipped out in a timely manner, thanks. :)
thanks, Zeal!
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Wed, 30 March 2016, 12:47:21
Post by: rainb1ood on Wed, 30 March 2016, 17:48:41
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 30 March 2016, 19:02:19
Post by: kaevix on Thu, 31 March 2016, 01:55:15
Post by: ctrlX on Thu, 31 March 2016, 03:26:57
So I'm new to being a keyboard enthusiast, and I've been recommended to purchase some Zealios by other more experienced guys. I know that the heavier these things are, the more force is needed to press down on the key. But what's the difference between R1 and R2?
R1 Zealios had some minor issues that have been addressed in the R2 version. The 65g version of the R2 Zealios has some other features compared to the 65g R1 Zealios. Please see Zeal's first post in this thread. There he explains a lot of the differences.
I don't think you can buy R1 unless you buy them from some community member. Either way, R2 are recommended as they are Release 2 of the switches. If you are a first time solderer I would recommend the 65g version. If you wish heavier springs, just replace them. Reason for this is that I had about 15 switches that suffered chattering due to bad soldering experience, which in turn caused the chattering issues. Zealios are a bit sensitive to this and 65g Zealios are more friendly in that aspect. Hope this makes sense and answers your question. :)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 31 March 2016, 06:55:45
Hi Zeal,The site won't let you checkout even if the items were in your cart. 62g and 67g are sold out as not many extras were ordered. Again, orders are roughly scaled based on the pre-orders, and I've always told people not to wait til last moment to prevent missing out on your preferred weight.
If the switches are in my cart from the other day but are showing as sold out on the item page, am I good to order them or does the cart not update when it's sold out? Just wondering as I don't want to place the order if the switches aren't actually available. :)
So I'm new to being a keyboard enthusiast, and I've been recommended to purchase some Zealios by other more experienced guys. I know that the heavier these things are, the more force is needed to press down on the key. But what's the difference between R1 and R2?
R1 Zealios had some minor issues that have been addressed in the R2 version. The 65g version of the R2 Zealios has some other features compared to the 65g R1 Zealios. Please see Zeal's first post in this thread. There he explains a lot of the differences.
I don't think you can buy R1 unless you buy them from some community member. Either way, R2 are recommended as they are Release 2 of the switches. If you are a first time solderer I would recommend the 65g version. If you wish heavier springs, just replace them. Reason for this is that I had about 15 switches that suffered chattering due to bad soldering experience, which in turn caused the chattering issues. Zealios are a bit sensitive to this and 65g Zealios are more friendly in that aspect. Hope this makes sense and answers your question. :)
To clarify a bit, 65g is offered in two variants. The plate mounted version with a milky base, and the "standard" transparent ones with PCB mount support. If it's your first time soldering and you're afraid of overheating the pins, the plate mounted variant is recommended.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 31 March 2016, 08:03:05
Got my order of 65g and 67g yesterday. Thanks for another great GB Zeal! :thumb:
Installed the 67g yesterday as well:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AzTi92z.jpg)
Kudos for keeping the Filco Mod trend happening here on GH.
Damn fine keyboard when you install the switches you love because the Co-star love needs to be pushed onto all the newlings who have no idea, how far you could customize a decent Filco Keyboard.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Thu, 31 March 2016, 08:20:18
Post by: Xiro7 on Thu, 31 March 2016, 08:25:36
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 31 March 2016, 08:53:35
Just picked up some 78g's. Love my 65g's and need to get another board set up with the best switches in the game :-*
:-*
Zeal: I ordered a bunch of the 65g switches (hoping they arrive soon *fingers crossed*), and was curious what type of Cherry switch they would most feel like? Do you have a guide to the 62, 65, 67, etc weights and what cherry switch they would most feel like?
Nothing. Zealios are a league of their own. No Cherry switch will feel remotely close to any of them :cool:
If you must describe the feel, imagine a slightly heavier MX Brown weight without the scratchiness with an MX Clear bump that's super drawn out in the middle.
Post by: Xiro7 on Thu, 31 March 2016, 08:58:03
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Zeal: I ordered a bunch of the 65g switches (hoping they arrive soon *fingers crossed*), and was curious what type of Cherry switch they would most feel like? Do you have a guide to the 62, 65, 67, etc weights and what cherry switch they would most feel like?
Nothing. Zealios are a league of their own. No Cherry switch will feel remotely close to any of them :cool:
If you must describe the feel, imagine a slightly heavier MX Brown weight without the scratchiness with an MX Clear bump that's super drawn out in the middle.
Quit playin' games with my heart. Sounds like my perfect switch.
Post by: pwade3 on Thu, 31 March 2016, 09:06:55
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 31 March 2016, 09:26:56
Hey Zeal, I see the order page for the group buy pricing is still up on your site. Is that correct, they're still up for order? Debating grabbing some for a build in the near future, just want to be sure to order them properly!
Yeah, 65g and 78gs are still available. Had a few people PM me asking to extend GB pricing til Friday.
Post by: pwade3 on Thu, 31 March 2016, 09:37:14
Hey Zeal, I see the order page for the group buy pricing is still up on your site. Is that correct, they're still up for order? Debating grabbing some for a build in the near future, just want to be sure to order them properly!
Yeah, 65g and 78gs are still available. Had a few people PM me asking to extend GB pricing til Friday.
Okay, cool! The dropdown on your site still has all 5 types available, just as a heads up. Guess I'll have to play with my switch tester a bit tonight and make a decision.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 31 March 2016, 18:21:56
Nice to see at least one Group Buy NOT degenerating into a scam, like the others I had participated in.
Thanks Zeal for making this happen and keeping it HONEST which is now quite rare for geekhack these days.
Post by: MMjacksN on Thu, 31 March 2016, 19:18:08
The dropdown on your site still has all 5 types available, just as a heads up.
Yeah, but if you select 62g or 67g it says they're sold out.
Post by: Siraj on Fri, 01 April 2016, 03:53:03
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 01 April 2016, 09:53:21
Do we get a notification through our email if we live outside USA? Or do we have the check the status on Zeal's website?
Every order will get a notification email of being shipped. If your order has tracking (Canada Post domestic, DHL Express), then you will receive a tracking number. If you opted for Canada Post Int'l Small Packet Air, then "N/A" will be filled in the place of the tracking number. Orders shipped by Canada Post Small Packet Air take around 6-10 business days to arrive.
Post by: MrDaddio on Fri, 01 April 2016, 09:59:14
Post by: pwade3 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 10:02:49
SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE SHIPPED BY NOW?
Sarcasm of course, super excited for my zealios and the feelios that will hopefully accompany them. Current plans are for them to go into a Clueboard to take to the office to replace the stock dell membrane keyboard that I use at the moment.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 01 April 2016, 10:09:09
Is there any way I can add more switches to my order without paying for more shipping, I don't beleive my order has shipped yet. Thanks!
Send me an Email with your order # and requested switches.
BUT WHERE ARE MY ZEALIOS THAT I ORDERED JUST LAST NIGHT?
SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE SHIPPED BY NOW?
Sarcasm of course, super excited for my zealios and the feelios that will hopefully accompany them. Current plans are for them to go into a Clueboard to take to the office to replace the stock dell membrane keyboard that I use at the moment.
I've already received such emails from orders less than a week ago...
Post by: Xiro7 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 10:15:25
BUT WHERE ARE MY ZEALIOS THAT I ORDERED JUST LAST NIGHT?
SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE SHIPPED BY NOW?
Sarcasm of course, super excited for my zealios and the feelios that will hopefully accompany them. Current plans are for them to go into a Clueboard to take to the office to replace the stock dell membrane keyboard that I use at the moment.
I've already received such emails from orders less than a week ago...
Where's my order? Don't you know I am an Amazon Prime member?
Post by: pwade3 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 10:34:48
BUT WHERE ARE MY ZEALIOS THAT I ORDERED JUST LAST NIGHT?
SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE SHIPPED BY NOW?
Sarcasm of course, super excited for my zealios and the feelios that will hopefully accompany them. Current plans are for them to go into a Clueboard to take to the office to replace the stock dell membrane keyboard that I use at the moment.
I've already received such emails from orders less than a week ago...
Well, you can take it two ways, either they're really excited and just want their zealios.
Or they're just paranoid you're gonna take the money and run. :))
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 01 April 2016, 10:55:17
Even Massdrop isn't that fast on running a GB (compared to Zeal). So people need to chill.BUT WHERE ARE MY ZEALIOS THAT I ORDERED JUST LAST NIGHT?
SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE SHIPPED BY NOW?
Sarcasm of course, super excited for my zealios and the feelios that will hopefully accompany them. Current plans are for them to go into a Clueboard to take to the office to replace the stock dell membrane keyboard that I use at the moment.
I've already received such emails from orders less than a week ago...
Well, you can take it two ways, either they're really excited and just want their zealios.
Or they're just paranoid you're gonna take the money and run. :))
Post by: db268 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 11:19:40
Do we get a notification through our email if we live outside USA? Or do we have the check the status on Zeal's website?
Every order will get a notification email of being shipped. If your order has tracking (Canada Post domestic, DHL Express), then you will receive a tracking number. If you opted for Canada Post Int'l Small Packet Air, then "N/A" will be filled in the place of the tracking number. Orders shipped by Canada Post Small Packet Air take around 6-10 business days to arrive.
Did all the 67g orders shipped already?
Post by: spwath on Fri, 01 April 2016, 12:08:24
Even Massdrop isn't that fast on running a GB (compared to Zeal). So people need to chill.BUT WHERE ARE MY ZEALIOS THAT I ORDERED JUST LAST NIGHT?
SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE SHIPPED BY NOW?
Sarcasm of course, super excited for my zealios and the feelios that will hopefully accompany them. Current plans are for them to go into a Clueboard to take to the office to replace the stock dell membrane keyboard that I use at the moment.
I've already received such emails from orders less than a week ago...
Well, you can take it two ways, either they're really excited and just want their zealios.
Or they're just paranoid you're gonna take the money and run. :))
Yeah. We just want our switches.
I'm building my first custom keyboard.
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 01 April 2016, 12:49:18
So am I. :-*Even Massdrop isn't that fast on running a GB (compared to Zeal). So people need to chill.BUT WHERE ARE MY ZEALIOS THAT I ORDERED JUST LAST NIGHT?
SHOULDN'T THEY HAVE SHIPPED BY NOW?
Sarcasm of course, super excited for my zealios and the feelios that will hopefully accompany them. Current plans are for them to go into a Clueboard to take to the office to replace the stock dell membrane keyboard that I use at the moment.
I've already received such emails from orders less than a week ago...
Well, you can take it two ways, either they're really excited and just want their zealios.
Or they're just paranoid you're gonna take the money and run. :))
Yeah. We just want our switches.
I'm building my first custom keyboard.
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 13:00:57
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 01 April 2016, 13:35:23
Do we get a notification through our email if we live outside USA? Or do we have the check the status on Zeal's website?
Every order will get a notification email of being shipped. If your order has tracking (Canada Post domestic, DHL Express), then you will receive a tracking number. If you opted for Canada Post Int'l Small Packet Air, then "N/A" will be filled in the place of the tracking number. Orders shipped by Canada Post Small Packet Air take around 6-10 business days to arrive.
Did all the 67g orders shipped already?
No, not yet.
I'm excited for these switches no doubt, but Zeal, please take it easy, don't wanna burn yourself out
Thanks for your concern. I won't be burning myself out anytime soon. :)
Just packed another 50 or so orders ready to go out today. This means all orders from #2565 - #2900 have already been packed and are being/have already been shipped out.
(http://puu.sh/o2kME/7f4e188b10.jpg)
Post by: pwade3 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 13:47:01
Just packed another 50 or so orders ready to go out today. This means all orders from #2565 - #2900 have already been packed and are being/have already been shipped out.
Dang dude, that's some impressive order processing.
Also, your site mentions directions about bulk orders. Are you at liberty to disclose if any bulk orders were placed? Was just wondering if anyone out there ordered more than 20,000 at once.
Post by: Siraj on Fri, 01 April 2016, 13:57:35
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 01 April 2016, 14:04:19
Just packed another 50 or so orders ready to go out today. This means all orders from #2565 - #2900 have already been packed and are being/have already been shipped out.
Dang dude, that's some impressive order processing.
Also, your site mentions directions about bulk orders. Are you at liberty to disclose if any bulk orders were placed? Was just wondering if anyone out there ordered more than 20,000 at once.
Only one company did, and it should be pretty obvious.
Just out of curiosity, what's the last order #? Maybe I can guess when I'll receive that sweet confirmation email.
34xx
Post by: Drift Monkey on Fri, 01 April 2016, 15:27:25
Post by: Siraj on Fri, 01 April 2016, 15:30:12
Post by: zzyjayfree on Fri, 01 April 2016, 15:38:06
Post by: kaevix on Fri, 01 April 2016, 15:40:08
Post by: himynameisbunny on Fri, 01 April 2016, 15:43:06
Post by: Siraj on Fri, 01 April 2016, 15:46:18
Tfw I'm old enough to own a Debit Card but ain't 18 yet so can't use Paypal. (https://openclipart.org/image/2400px/svg_to_png/222252/feels.png)
I'm not sure why others can't use PayPal. I'm 16 right now and I have a debit card AND a PayPal. I think I've had PayPal since I was around 12.
Post by: kaevix on Fri, 01 April 2016, 16:00:35
Tfw I'm old enough to own a Debit Card but ain't 18 yet so can't use Paypal. (https://openclipart.org/image/2400px/svg_to_png/222252/feels.png)
I'm not sure why others can't use PayPal. I'm 16 right now and I have a debit card AND a PayPal. I think I've had PayPal since I was around 12.
:/
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 01 April 2016, 16:06:58
Zeal are the 67g completely sold out or is that just for the GB pricing?
67g's are sold out for now as not many extras were ordered due to the lower order volume during the GB. I may have some extras later on when I'm done shipping everyone's orders, but no guarantees.
Post by: Butter on Fri, 01 April 2016, 16:21:03
Zeal are the 67g completely sold out or is that just for the GB pricing?
67g's are sold out for now as not many extras were ordered due to the lower order volume during the GB. I may have some extras later on when I'm done shipping everyone's orders, but no guarantees.
Hi Zeal just want to make sure that If the order contain GH lube it will be delay right?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 01 April 2016, 17:13:34
Zeal are the 67g completely sold out or is that just for the GB pricing?
67g's are sold out for now as not many extras were ordered due to the lower order volume during the GB. I may have some extras later on when I'm done shipping everyone's orders, but no guarantees.
Hi Zeal just want to make sure that If the order contain GH lube it will be delay right?
If you ordered thick lube before the listing showed out of stock, preorders, then it won't. If you ordered when the listing said (out of stock), then it'll be ready hopefully around later half of April.
Post by: atectatifern on Fri, 01 April 2016, 17:20:18
Post by: VentureG on Fri, 01 April 2016, 17:28:16
Here's some sexy switch pics:
http://imgur.com/a/VaxIY
Post by: theanyday on Fri, 01 April 2016, 17:29:13
Post by: alexjd99 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 17:41:11
(http://i.imgur.com/PhTgvT4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kSjjciP.jpg)
Post by: pichu23 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 18:32:36
Got my 62g and 67g in today. Zeal, u da bomb. Probably the best organized GB I've been in.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PhTgvT4.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kSjjciP.jpg)
Woo, dats nice. Even the ziplock bags are fancy :D
Post by: kenshinjeff on Fri, 01 April 2016, 19:20:21
Post by: mastermachetier on Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:01:14
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:02:06
Hey Seal got every thing looks beautiful wish i picked up more of the 65g though do you have any of that left and is it available for purchase?
65g Zealios still available for 1 more hour before it becomes a retail priced switch.
Post by: bocahgundul on Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:02:16
Hey Seal got every thing looks beautiful wish i picked up more of the 65g though do you have any of that left and is it available for purchase?What? I no sell zealios mane
I sell sealios
Post by: Siraj on Sat, 02 April 2016, 04:45:07
Finished my build on Thursday night but I wound up fighting firmware for awhile
Here's some sexy switch pics:
http://imgur.com/a/VaxIY
It was your video on 65g Zealio typing that convinced me to buy Zealios. Will we see any R2 on your channel? =)
Post by: jebbra on Sat, 02 April 2016, 09:12:36
Post by: Wannabe on Sat, 02 April 2016, 10:28:27
Post by: Liam on Sat, 02 April 2016, 12:46:52
Got mine in the mail yesterday. Shipping was so fast. Thanks Zeal!When did you order those? He said he shipped 65g out and they delivered last week but I haven't recieved any :(
Post by: tuco on Sat, 02 April 2016, 12:51:58
Post by: spanyam on Sat, 02 April 2016, 13:03:38
Got mine in the mail yesterday. Shipping was so fast. Thanks Zeal!When did you order those? He said he shipped 65g out and they delivered last week but I haven't recieved any :(
Did you happen to order v3 lube when it showed out of stock? If so, yours will take till late April probably. That's my case currently, and I ordered it knowing it would take longer. If you ordered only switches but we're a late order, maybe you'll bet it in a later batch.
Post by: VentureG on Sat, 02 April 2016, 13:04:50
It was your video on 65g Zealio typing that convinced me to buy Zealios. Will we see any R2 on your channel? =)
Uploading a video now. Should be up in a bit!
Post by: Liam on Sat, 02 April 2016, 13:29:26
I remember I ordered with lube but I don't remember that it's out of stock or not. Maybe late April. Sb stole my stuff last week so I just afraid it was my switches :)) Glad it's notGot mine in the mail yesterday. Shipping was so fast. Thanks Zeal!When did you order those? He said he shipped 65g out and they delivered last week but I haven't recieved any :(
Did you happen to order v3 lube when it showed out of stock? If so, yours will take till late April probably. That's my case currently, and I ordered it knowing it would take longer. If you ordered only switches but we're a late order, maybe you'll bet it in a later batch.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 02 April 2016, 13:36:48
Got mine in the mail yesterday. Shipping was so fast. Thanks Zeal!When did you order those? He said he shipped 65g out and they delivered last week but I haven't recieved any :(
Liam, I've only shipped up to #2901, so I haven't gotten to your order yet. It should go out on Monday and you'll receive a notification email.
Post by: Chewypost on Sat, 02 April 2016, 13:53:10
Post by: Butter on Sat, 02 April 2016, 13:53:18
Got mine in the mail yesterday. Shipping was so fast. Thanks Zeal!When did you order those? He said he shipped 65g out and they delivered last week but I haven't recieved any :(
Liam, I've only shipped up to #2901, so I haven't gotten to your order yet. It should go out on Monday and you'll receive a notification email.
So close to my #. I hope I order my lube when it was in stock.
Post by: bmilcs on Sat, 02 April 2016, 18:37:18
Post by: pichu23 on Sat, 02 April 2016, 19:02:55
Got mine in the mail yesterday. Shipping was so fast. Thanks Zeal!When did you order those? He said he shipped 65g out and they delivered last week but I haven't recieved any :(
Liam, I've only shipped up to #2901, so I haven't gotten to your order yet. It should go out on Monday and you'll receive a notification email.
Whoa. I'm at #3115. So that's about 200 orders ahead of me? Or the orders are in general for your store not limited to just Zealios?
Not rushing or anything, just curious if they're all Zealios. If so, there must have been almost a few hundred people ordering :eek:
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 02 April 2016, 19:24:49
Got mine in the mail yesterday. Shipping was so fast. Thanks Zeal!When did you order those? He said he shipped 65g out and they delivered last week but I haven't recieved any :(
Liam, I've only shipped up to #2901, so I haven't gotten to your order yet. It should go out on Monday and you'll receive a notification email.
Whoa. I'm at #3115. So that's about 200 orders ahead of me? Or the orders are in general for your store not limited to just Zealios?
Not rushing or anything, just curious if they're all Zealios. If so, there must have been almost a few hundred people ordering :eek:
Majority of orders are Zealio...
Post by: pichu23 on Sat, 02 April 2016, 20:48:55
Got mine in the mail yesterday. Shipping was so fast. Thanks Zeal!When did you order those? He said he shipped 65g out and they delivered last week but I haven't recieved any :(
Liam, I've only shipped up to #2901, so I haven't gotten to your order yet. It should go out on Monday and you'll receive a notification email.
Whoa. I'm at #3115. So that's about 200 orders ahead of me? Or the orders are in general for your store not limited to just Zealios?
Not rushing or anything, just curious if they're all Zealios. If so, there must have been almost a few hundred people ordering :eek:
Majority of orders are Zealio...
Oh man, that's a lot of switches that needs to be sort :-X
good luck man haha. wish I could say more.
Post by: TerryMathews on Sat, 02 April 2016, 21:32:52
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 02 April 2016, 21:59:30
Zeal, I'll send you $20 on the sly if you ship #3281 by Tuesday... :p
I'd take that and ship on Monday, but then I'd either have a mob of angry customers or customers throwing more money my way to bump them up in line. :P
Post by: Data on Sat, 02 April 2016, 22:24:45
Post by: AgentZen on Sat, 02 April 2016, 22:52:59
Post by: TerryMathews on Sat, 02 April 2016, 22:56:39
on the sly
I'd take that and ship on Monday, but then I'd either have a mob of angry customers or customers throwing more money my way to bump them up in line. :P
I think you missed the important bit...
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 02 April 2016, 23:03:33
I just popped over to zealpc.net and saw that you're running (or ran) a round 2. Was thinking about buying around 50 of the 65g Milky. Are they still available or am I too late? It did allow me to add them to cart. But if I'd be better off waiting for a possible Round 3 I'm happy to do so. I don't need them urgently. :p
65g Milky Zealios are available for purchase. Unsure if they'll be coming back for R3 though.
on the sly
I'd take that and ship on Monday, but then I'd either have a mob of angry customers or customers throwing more money my way to bump them up in line. :P
I think you missed the important bit...
Oops.
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 03 April 2016, 09:48:48
Post by: Ephemeral on Mon, 04 April 2016, 15:44:53
Post by: Siraj on Mon, 04 April 2016, 16:02:14
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 04 April 2016, 16:06:15
(http://i.imgur.com/14amsHt.jpg?1)
Post by: Data on Mon, 04 April 2016, 16:49:26
I just popped over to zealpc.net and saw that you're running (or ran) a round 2. Was thinking about buying around 50 of the 65g Milky. Are they still available or am I too late? It did allow me to add them to cart. But if I'd be better off waiting for a possible Round 3 I'm happy to do so. I don't need them urgently. :p
65g Milky Zealios are available for purchase. Unsure if they'll be coming back for R3 though.
Thanks. Ordered.
Post by: r5d on Mon, 04 April 2016, 16:51:31
Shipping confirmation for #2971 received. :D
Nothing here yet with #2940, either orders are not processed in sequence or mine comes later because it's international.. either way, I'm not in a hurry. Take your time, everyone.
Post by: regack on Mon, 04 April 2016, 16:54:56
(http://i.imgur.com/a4c3Bl7.gif?1) (http://i.imgur.com/a4c3Bl7.gif?1)
I'll build the little 4-switch thing to the left there and test out the regular vs low-profile ones.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 04 April 2016, 17:22:43
Shipping confirmation for #2971 received. :D
Nothing here yet with #2940, either orders are not processed in sequence or mine comes later because it's international.. either way, I'm not in a hurry. Take your time, everyone.
Your email actually bounced when I sent out the shipping notifications. Might want to get that checked. :) Your order was shipped today as well.
I usually pack orders in batches of 50/100s, and ship them all at once form a pile. It's not "in order", but they usually all go out same day.
Woo, I just got mine, installed one and tested out one of the new 4-pin RGB LEDs. They're very bright.
(http://i.imgur.com/a4c3Bl7.gif?1) (http://i.imgur.com/a4c3Bl7.gif?1)
I'll build the little 4-switch thing to the left there and test out the regular vs low-profile ones.
Broken gif. :(
Edit: nvm, firefox being dumb. Chrome works.
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 04 April 2016, 17:58:27
Post by: Butter on Mon, 04 April 2016, 18:29:10
Post by: Xiro7 on Mon, 04 April 2016, 18:47:59
Post by: r5d on Tue, 05 April 2016, 03:42:14
Shipping confirmation for #2971 received. :D
Nothing here yet with #2940, either orders are not processed in sequence or mine comes later because it's international.. either way, I'm not in a hurry. Take your time, everyone.
Your email actually bounced when I sent out the shipping notifications. Might want to get that checked. :) Your order was shipped today as well.
That's weird... I'm using a gTLD for email but we've corresponded before using my email address.. I'll PM you a different address.
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 05 April 2016, 21:21:49
Post by: Liam on Tue, 05 April 2016, 21:23:32
Thank zeal for bringing to the world those awsome babies :thumb:.
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/12916865_570192536482177_4411256420535015979_o.jpg)
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31.0-8/12977284_570192546482176_2695690808777897966_o.jpg)
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t31.0-8/12967409_570192543148843_8075118809550970774_o.jpg)
Post by: sony on Tue, 05 April 2016, 21:40:01
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 05 April 2016, 21:45:40
Are there any more 78g switches available? I've changed my build plan since i placed my order and need 20 more. My order hasn't shipped yet so can I combine shipping?
Yep, just place your order and add an order note to combine with your other order. I'll refund your shipping.
Post by: Lost2Frostbite on Tue, 05 April 2016, 22:12:40
Are there any more 78g switches available? I've changed my build plan since i placed my order and need 20 more. My order hasn't shipped yet so can I combine shipping?
Yep, just place your order and add an order note to combine with your other order. I'll refund your shipping.
How are you this nice and well organized :D Thank you for the group buy really!!
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 05 April 2016, 23:03:44
(http://puu.sh/o7PgH/58f236bc16.jpg)
Post by: Drift Monkey on Wed, 06 April 2016, 15:17:57
Post by: Siraj on Wed, 06 April 2016, 15:33:55
Anywhere I can pick one up in the UK?
Post by: ziggy1283 on Wed, 06 April 2016, 18:20:24
Post by: ebaydan777 on Wed, 06 April 2016, 19:05:52
Also, should I get the PCB or Plate mount 65g. I dont really have any pcb keyboards. looking to get an FC660 with cherries and swap it out, but can you let me know what's ideal for those, or pok3rs or KBP or other common boards..
Thanks!
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 06 April 2016, 19:15:14
OOooo, getting close now. #3119 here.
Yep, Just finished up to #3100. Will be shipping the next 50 or so tomorrow. :)
Question: Is it $1 each or $1 for 10 or what exactly?
Also, should I get the PCB or Plate mount 65g. I dont really have any pcb keyboards. looking to get an FC660 with cherries and swap it out, but can you let me know what's ideal for those, or pok3rs or KBP or other common boards..
Thanks!
Zealios are now $1/switch. Both 65g PCB or Plate mounted 65g Zealios will work with your FC660M since the PCB has the extra 2 holes for the PCB mount pins. Same applies for KBP, Pok3r, etc.
Post by: ebaydan777 on Wed, 06 April 2016, 19:26:42
What about the Varmilo VB660M. Just like the Leopold but has lighting under plus bluetooth.
Will the lighting still work using these switches. Or the VB87M I just ordered off massdrop
And since the PCB has two extra pins, would that be a problem for plate mounted keyboards like what I mentioned, including either the FC600M or the VB660M?
Especially the VB87M I just ordered off MassDrop. Can I install the PCB 65s or would it be smarter to get the milky bottoms?
Thanks!
Post by: Drift Monkey on Wed, 06 April 2016, 19:45:06
Ok thanks!You can just clip the PCB mount stabs off and mount.
What about the Varmilo VB660M. Just like the Leopold but has lighting under plus bluetooth.
Will the lighting still work using these switches. Or the VB87M I just ordered off massdrop
And since the PCB has two extra pins, would that be a problem for plate mounted keyboards like what I mentioned, including either the FC600M or the VB660M?
Especially the VB87M I just ordered off MassDrop. Can I install the PCB 65s or would it be smarter to get the milky bottoms?
Thanks!
Post by: ebaydan777 on Wed, 06 April 2016, 19:46:06
Post by: spwath on Wed, 06 April 2016, 20:09:04
Post by: pichu23 on Thu, 07 April 2016, 17:02:26
Zeal is such a beast :eek:
Post by: gogged on Thu, 07 April 2016, 18:20:02
Post by: Tunz on Thu, 07 April 2016, 18:34:07
Post by: krisst on Thu, 07 April 2016, 18:46:10
And so it begins. Testing out tactiles, Zealios non-lubed, lubed.
My order number is #2810 took a week to reach me.
Post by: Drift Monkey on Thu, 07 April 2016, 19:57:33
(http://i.imgur.com/ZPH5LYa.jpg)
Installed 'em on my board immediately and am lovin' it.
(http://i.imgur.com/O4yVQ6A.jpg)
More pics and commentary here (http://imgur.com/a/UwGRk).
Post by: spwath on Thu, 07 April 2016, 20:11:28
Hopefully tomorow????
Post by: rampantandroid on Thu, 07 April 2016, 20:50:57
Post by: RickyJ on Thu, 07 April 2016, 23:15:37
Post by: Drift Monkey on Fri, 08 April 2016, 00:39:45
Post by: Happylomo on Fri, 08 April 2016, 05:05:14
Post by: bmilcs on Fri, 08 April 2016, 10:37:15
Post by: zeltner on Fri, 08 April 2016, 12:47:41
Post by: biocalves on Fri, 08 April 2016, 12:55:25
I built my first custom board with these. Really liking how these switches feel compared to the mx browns I am used to.
That looks fantastic! Mind if I ask what case that is and where I could get one?
Post by: zeltner on Fri, 08 April 2016, 12:56:58
I built my first custom board with these. Really liking how these switches feel compared to the mx browns I am used to.
That looks fantastic! Mind if I ask what case that is and where I could get one?
It is the unstained walnut from here: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/pok3r-wood-case
Post by: biocalves on Fri, 08 April 2016, 13:00:15
I built my first custom board with these. Really liking how these switches feel compared to the mx browns I am used to.
That looks fantastic! Mind if I ask what case that is and where I could get one?
It is the unstained walnut from here: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/pok3r-wood-case
Just found it on Datamancer's site for $189. Ouch.
Post by: Siraj on Fri, 08 April 2016, 13:14:14
I built my first custom board with these. Really liking how these switches feel compared to the mx browns I am used to.
That looks fantastic! Mind if I ask what case that is and where I could get one?
It is the unstained walnut from here: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/pok3r-wood-case
Just found it on Datamancer's site for $189. Ouch.
I'm waiting on the next drop for this exact colour to complete my first build. It's $124.99 + shipping at it's lowest price.
I got in contact with Datamancer and they said you can ask them to not cut a hole for the dip switch (for custom boards like the GH60 which only has a bootload button on the back).
Post by: biocalves on Fri, 08 April 2016, 13:42:44
I built my first custom board with these. Really liking how these switches feel compared to the mx browns I am used to.
That looks fantastic! Mind if I ask what case that is and where I could get one?
It is the unstained walnut from here: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/pok3r-wood-case
Just found it on Datamancer's site for $189. Ouch.
I'm waiting on the next drop for this exact colour to complete my first build. It's $124.99 + shipping at it's lowest price.
I got in contact with Datamancer and they said you can ask them to not cut a hole for the dip switch (for custom boards like the GH60 which only has a bootload button on the back).
Thanks for the info! I'll have to keep my eye out for this.
Post by: Geroximo on Fri, 08 April 2016, 16:36:56
Very statisfied, thank you Zeal
Post by: Butter on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:04:54
Post by: sairex on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:21:32
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 09 April 2016, 13:00:36
Also, there are no 62g switches left, right? I just figured out that I'd have a much easier life with 10 more of those.
Post by: Radlife on Sat, 09 April 2016, 15:30:52
Also, there are no 62g switches left, right?
Yeah there shouldn't be anymore 62g and 67g, I was also thinking about getting more 67g switches.
Post by: nightdriver on Sat, 09 April 2016, 19:12:41
also, i'll probably end up putting my eight additional 78gs somewhere else on this keyboard.
Post by: TerryMathews on Sat, 09 April 2016, 20:54:14
got mine yesterday and outfitted my teamwolf keyboard with them. 65g versions everywhere except escape and space, 78g on escape and space. honestly, i'm not liking them nearly as much as i was expecting to. they feel lighter than browns, which is not what i was looking for. the 78g ones feel closer to what i was expecting, and i'm actually really liking those two. maybe next time i should just grab a full set of those. my keyboard with clears is currently at work. on monday i'll have to do some comparison testing between this and that.
also, i'll probably end up putting my eight additional 78gs somewhere else on this keyboard.
I mean this with no disrespect intended, but it seems like you.misunderstood what Zealios were. They're an Ergo Clear or even a touch lighter than that. Even the 78g Zealios don't match up with the bottom out force of an MX Clear (95g).
You could always swap springs. Order a bag of 78s or 80s and make them all uniform. The slider color doesn't matter.
Post by: mad_eyes on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:45:23
got mine yesterday and outfitted my teamwolf keyboard with them. 65g versions everywhere except escape and space, 78g on escape and space. honestly, i'm not liking them nearly as much as i was expecting to. they feel lighter than browns, which is not what i was looking for. the 78g ones feel closer to what i was expecting, and i'm actually really liking those two. maybe next time i should just grab a full set of those. my keyboard with clears is currently at work. on monday i'll have to do some comparison testing between this and that.
also, i'll probably end up putting my eight additional 78gs somewhere else on this keyboard.
Hi Zeal, this post has me a worried that I will also be disappointed with the 65g. Would it be possible to change my order to 78g switches? I sent an email concerning this.
Thanks.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sun, 10 April 2016, 10:10:11
Post by: Drift Monkey on Sun, 10 April 2016, 19:27:17
got mine yesterday and outfitted my teamwolf keyboard with them. 65g versions everywhere except escape and space, 78g on escape and space. honestly, i'm not liking them nearly as much as i was expecting to. they feel lighter than browns, which is not what i was looking for. the 78g ones feel closer to what i was expecting, and i'm actually really liking those two. maybe next time i should just grab a full set of those. my keyboard with clears is currently at work. on monday i'll have to do some comparison testing between this and that.
also, i'll probably end up putting my eight additional 78gs somewhere else on this keyboard.
All 78gs on my TeamWolf ftw.
Post by: grillatactics on Mon, 11 April 2016, 13:01:58
Post by: Siraj on Mon, 11 April 2016, 13:19:49
Just got my shipping confirmation this morning on #3350! :cool:
I still haven't got mine, at #3245 :'(
Post by: spwath on Mon, 11 April 2016, 13:22:52
Me neither at 3211.
Just got my shipping confirmation this morning on #3350! :cool:
I still haven't got mine, at #3245 :'(
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 11 April 2016, 13:25:38
Me neither at 3211.
I still haven't got mine, at #3245 :'(
Strange. I already got mine at #3351. But it is untracked, so maybe he is waiting for tracking confirmation on tracked orders.
Post by: Siraj on Mon, 11 April 2016, 13:33:27
Me neither at 3211.
I still haven't got mine, at #3245 :'(
Strange. I already got mine at #3351. But it is untracked, so maybe he is waiting for tracking confirmation on tracked orders.
Perhaps it is because you two are in Canada/USA whereas we are international?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 11 April 2016, 13:45:53
Perhaps it is because you two are in Canada/USA whereas we are international?
Germany here.
Post by: Xiro7 on Mon, 11 April 2016, 13:56:19
Me neither at 3211.
I still haven't got mine, at #3245 :'(
Strange. I already got mine at #3351. But it is untracked, so maybe he is waiting for tracking confirmation on tracked orders.
Perhaps it is because you two are in Canada/USA whereas we are international?
I am 3269 and am CONUS and didn't get mine yet either.
Post by: Siraj on Mon, 11 April 2016, 14:38:44
Me neither at 3211.
I still haven't got mine, at #3245 :'(
Strange. I already got mine at #3351. But it is untracked, so maybe he is waiting for tracking confirmation on tracked orders.
Perhaps it is because you two are in Canada/USA whereas we are international?
I am 3269 and am CONUS and didn't get mine yet either.
#3245 CONFIRMATION RECEIVED THE BOYS.
I don't think I've been pumped so much for something since I discovered fapping.
Post by: Xiro7 on Mon, 11 April 2016, 14:53:29
Me neither at 3211.
I still haven't got mine, at #3245 :'(
Strange. I already got mine at #3351. But it is untracked, so maybe he is waiting for tracking confirmation on tracked orders.
Perhaps it is because you two are in Canada/USA whereas we are international?
I am 3269 and am CONUS and didn't get mine yet either.
#3245 CONFIRMATION RECEIVED THE BOYS.
I don't think I've been pumped so much for something since I discovered fapping.
Less than an hour after my previous post, got shipping confirmation. Scheduled to arrive Wednesday. So pumped to get these!
Post by: spwath on Mon, 11 April 2016, 15:18:10
Nothing for me 3211 yet.Me neither at 3211.
I still haven't got mine, at #3245 :'(
Strange. I already got mine at #3351. But it is untracked, so maybe he is waiting for tracking confirmation on tracked orders.
Perhaps it is because you two are in Canada/USA whereas we are international?
I am 3269 and am CONUS and didn't get mine yet either.
#3245 CONFIRMATION RECEIVED THE BOYS.
I don't think I've been pumped so much for something since I discovered fapping.
Less than an hour after my previous post, got shipping confirmation. Scheduled to arrive Wednesday. So pumped to get these!
Post by: Porkins on Mon, 11 April 2016, 15:56:16
Post by: Radlife on Mon, 11 April 2016, 17:31:21
Post by: spwath on Mon, 11 April 2016, 17:37:25
Post by: bmilcs on Mon, 11 April 2016, 17:44:21
Boner city.
Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 11 April 2016, 17:57:25
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 11 April 2016, 18:06:07
This time I packed the orders in a larger range, so when fulfilling, I just grab whatever box is ready. That's why some larger order #s were fulfilled before others. Rest assured, they'll all go out today.
Orders #3150-3400 all shipped, unless containing a pre-order lube/local pickup, etc.
Pic:
(http://puu.sh/oeWdT/95f80ad152.jpg)
I should also mention that 95% of orders destined to USA should deliver tomorrow. Some exceptions such as Hawaii, remote cities, etc take 2 days.
Post by: MarvinMerlin on Mon, 11 April 2016, 18:07:23
Post by: KingRama on Mon, 11 April 2016, 18:25:04
Post by: Xiro7 on Mon, 11 April 2016, 18:42:36
Just packed 200 orders over the weekend+today. A few all nighters were required :))
This time I packed the orders in a larger range, so when fulfilling, I just grab whatever box is ready. That's why some larger order #s were fulfilled before others. Rest assured, they'll all go out today.
Orders #3150-3400 all shipped, unless containing a pre-order lube/local pickup, etc.
Pic:Show Image(http://puu.sh/oeWdT/95f80ad152.jpg)
I should also mention that 95% of orders destined to USA should deliver tomorrow. Some exceptions such as Hawaii, remote cities, etc take 2 days.
Holy cow, sir! You are one crazy dude! Thanks for such an amazing group buy. Super pumped to complete a couple keyboard builds with these switches!
Post by: rampantandroid on Mon, 11 April 2016, 18:59:06
Post by: vercadium on Tue, 12 April 2016, 05:21:29
These are my first Zealio switches and I couldn't be happier - the tactility was exactly what I was after (coming from Cherry MX Brown). I'm not ashamed to say that when I hold the switch to my ear while I press it, the sound is almost orgasmic! Incredibly satisfying and well built switches. I appreciate the effort you made with the packaging too.
Just awaiting my Whitefox now to continue the build!
Post by: himynameisbunny on Tue, 12 April 2016, 06:55:26
Post by: UTEster750 on Tue, 12 April 2016, 07:53:18
Received my 65g's yesterday. Thanks!Did that for weeks when I received my switches! :D
These are my first Zealio switches and I couldn't be happier - the tactility was exactly what I was after (coming from Cherry MX Brown). I'm not ashamed to say that when I hold the switch to my ear while I press it, the sound is almost orgasmic! Incredibly satisfying and well built switches. I appreciate the effort you made with the packaging too.
Just awaiting my Whitefox now to continue the build!
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 12 April 2016, 10:59:46
They are arriving here TODAY by the end of the day from CANADA TO MA, USA?
I can't decide what to do with mine. I know in my heart I'm going to have an Ergodox at some point but I do also have this Planck drop coming in a few months. Decisions decisions. I only ordered 90x :(
Post by: Xiro7 on Tue, 12 April 2016, 11:08:00
WTF. HOW ZEAL? I received shipping info yesterday sometime after noon.
They are arriving here TODAY by the end of the day from CANADA TO MA, USA?
I can't decide what to do with mine. I know in my heart I'm going to have an Ergodox at some point but I do also have this Planck drop coming in a few months. Decisions decisions. I only ordered 90x :(
Hah, I received my shipping notification yesterday afternoon and DHL has them on a truck to be delivered today. I am even further away than you are.
Post by: zzyjayfree on Tue, 12 April 2016, 11:49:55
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 12 April 2016, 11:53:39
WTF. HOW ZEAL? I received shipping info yesterday sometime after noon.
They are arriving here TODAY by the end of the day from CANADA TO MA, USA?
I can't decide what to do with mine. I know in my heart I'm going to have an Ergodox at some point but I do also have this Planck drop coming in a few months. Decisions decisions. I only ordered 90x :(
At checkout it does say DHL Express - 1 Business Day...
If you were to go to a DHL and ask for the same service, you'd be paying upwards of $55-60 :)
The $15 starting rate to USA is really a steal for the delivery time and service. I need to get less emails asking for slower service, cause who doesn't love overnight delivery? :))
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 12 April 2016, 12:26:51
65g Feel like they are going to be my goldilocks!!!
Post by: bmilcs on Tue, 12 April 2016, 12:29:45
Post by: Atredl on Tue, 12 April 2016, 13:01:57
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: trotXid on Tue, 12 April 2016, 13:10:07
Post by: Malenky on Tue, 12 April 2016, 13:33:21
I can only imagine how amazing these will be when properly lubed :D
What are your plans for them?
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 12 April 2016, 16:10:16
Post by: grillatactics on Tue, 12 April 2016, 18:38:32
Just got my shipping confirmation this morning on #3350! :cool:
and came home to them today! Pretty sure it was a drone delivery.
Post by: KingRama on Tue, 12 April 2016, 18:53:36
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 12 April 2016, 19:36:33
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZGK8n2C.jpg)
I have some 78g Zealios saved just for my own one of those :D
Post by: Xiro7 on Tue, 12 April 2016, 19:54:30
Post by: KingRama on Tue, 12 April 2016, 21:18:04
I have some 78g Zealios saved just for my own one of those :D
Oooo 78's is exactly what I've put in! :D
Post by: romevi on Tue, 12 April 2016, 22:06:20
I have some 78g Zealios saved just for my own one of those :D
Oooo 78's is exactly what I've put in! :D
How do you like the 78g?
Post by: KingRama on Tue, 12 April 2016, 22:09:59
I have some 78g Zealios saved just for my own one of those :D
Oooo 78's is exactly what I've put in! :D
How do you like the 78g?
Good good!
I got the 62g as well, definitely like the 78 more!
Has a nice bounce to it with the SA profiles loaded :D
Out of preference I wish it had more click like blues though, but yeah, personal preference, I enjoy clicky things :P
Definitely one of the more aesthetically pleasing looking switches that's for sure
Post by: Malenky on Wed, 13 April 2016, 03:59:32
The 67g feels fantastic in my switch tester, will have to wait a while before being able to use them in a proper build though :(
Edit: after spending a while tapping away at the switch tester with some decent keycaps on, I really cannot wait to build my first keyboard with these. Compared to the clears, they are lighter in that they are less fatiguing, the tactile bump is just as pronounced as clears but feels a lot smoother to go through. I have previous swapped in lighter springs into a clear switch on my switch tester, but found that the tactile bump took too much force to go through compared to the weight of the spring afterward, which made it feel like the switch was all bump and then nothing until abruptly bottoming out. With the Zealios it feels like the bump and spring weight are perfectly matched. It feels a bit like the MX brown (experience of which is limited to switch tester), but with a stronger tactile bump and much smoother travel. The brown feels quite "scratchy" and uneven by comparison.
This is definitely what a tactile MX switch should have always been. I feel like the 62g would have definitely been too light and the 65g would have been the lightest I would go to. I may have liked the 78g but I think at that point it would have been too close to regular clears and possibly begin to feel fatiguing. A 78g spacebar may be a good choice.
Post by: db268 on Wed, 13 April 2016, 04:07:48
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 13 April 2016, 06:39:04
No PCB to mount it on atm but just playing with it, the tactility is pretty nice.
Can't wait to mount it on :)
Thanks again for a smooth gb Henry.
Hope you'll be able to bring in more cool stuff in the future!
Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk
Post by: Diokhan on Wed, 13 April 2016, 07:14:28
Got mine earlier today in the UK!
No PCB to mount it on atm but just playing with it, the tactility is pretty nice.
Can't wait to mount it on :)
Thanks again for a smooth gb Henry.
Hope you'll be able to bring in more cool stuff in the future!
Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk
hmmm sounds like I should be receiving them soon as well :3
Post by: spwath on Wed, 13 April 2016, 10:13:38
Dont have my plate yet but they feel great.
Heavier than browns, not sure what other people were saying
Post by: eyedrop on Wed, 13 April 2016, 10:56:10
Post by: assumed_bivalve on Wed, 13 April 2016, 11:11:11
I got both 67 and 78g, not sure which one I would prefer. I wound up going with 78. They definitely felt different to me, but I didn't notice a huge difference in weight. The feel of the tactile bump is different. To me, the 67s almost feel stiffer and the 78s a bit more even and smooth.
But then again, I bottom out MX Clears and may not have the most discerning fingers. Both felt really good and I'm very happy with the finished board! I posted a photo over in the LeandreN GB thread.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76809.msg2136376#msg2136376 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=76809.msg2136376#msg2136376)
Instead of cutting the PCB mount "legs" off the switches, I decided to try squeezing them with needle-nose pliers (I had read about this somewhere but can't remember where). Giving them a few good squeezes with the pliers (turning the pliers 90 degrees in between squeezes) I was able to push the switches down through the plate into the PCB. Still had trouble with a couple of the switches, but for the most part it worked well.
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 13 April 2016, 14:23:57
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 13 April 2016, 15:04:26
Am I the only one getting chattering switches? I even have the milky ones. Don't understand what I'm doing incorrectly I solder with 300C temp. Would replacing the bottoms with a bottom from a regular cherry mx switch maybe fix my problem?
I sent a user here to test out the R2 prototypes first prior to ordering with Gateron. He received 20x of each weight, totaling 80 switches. Each switch was tested a minimum of 100 times, a few were tested 500-1000 times, and a small portion tested 3,500-4000 times, each. No reports of chattering prior to soldering.
Not sure how long you're heating each pin/pad for. I solder with Kester 44 63/37 at 650F (343C), and heat each pin/pad for under 2 sec each with a chisel tip.
Post by: bmilcs on Wed, 13 April 2016, 15:40:01
I can only imagine how amazing these will be when properly lubed :D
What are your plans for them?
I am getting close to ordering all the parts for a DIY ergodox :)
Can't freaking wait.
Post by: bmilcs on Wed, 13 April 2016, 15:48:28
Got the shipping confirmation on Monday and they arrived on my door on Wednesday. This is to the UK!
The 67g feels fantastic in my switch tester, will have to wait a while before being able to use them in a proper build though :(
Edit: after spending a while tapping away at the switch tester with some decent keycaps on, I really cannot wait to build my first keyboard with these. Compared to the clears, they are lighter in that they are less fatiguing, the tactile bump is just as pronounced as clears but feels a lot smoother to go through. I have previous swapped in lighter springs into a clear switch on my switch tester, but found that the tactile bump took too much force to go through compared to the weight of the spring afterward, which made it feel like the switch was all bump and then nothing until abruptly bottoming out. With the Zealios it feels like the bump and spring weight are perfectly matched. It feels a bit like the MX brown (experience of which is limited to switch tester), but with a stronger tactile bump and much smoother travel. The brown feels quite "scratchy" and uneven by comparison.
This is definitely what a tactile MX switch should have always been. I feel like the 62g would have definitely been too light and the 65g would have been the lightest I would go to. I may have liked the 78g but I think at that point it would have been too close to regular clears and possibly begin to feel fatiguing. A 78g spacebar may be a good choice.
Out of keyboard testing, I have to agree. 67 Feel amaze... as do 65g though. Real world test trumps all though and it's too hard to tell outside of a board. 68g Ergos were great out of keyboard but then too heavy in.
Post by: Gengarfan on Wed, 13 April 2016, 17:06:00
Post by: Chewypost on Wed, 13 April 2016, 17:06:43
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 13 April 2016, 17:17:43
March 28 start, April 13 finish. 17 days to finish shipping out the whole GB :cool:
Post by: filphil on Wed, 13 April 2016, 17:27:09
All orders have now been shipped. All regular orders coming in will be fulfilled same day/next day.
March 28 start, April 13 finish. 17 days to finish shipping out the whole GB :cool:
Do you even sleep? :p
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 13 April 2016, 17:31:52
All orders have now been shipped. All regular orders coming in will be fulfilled same day/next day.
March 28 start, April 13 finish. 17 days to finish shipping out the whole GB :cool:
Do you even sleep? :p
No... :(
But I also don't like to needlessly drag on fulfillment. No one wants to be left waiting months...
Post by: Chewypost on Wed, 13 April 2016, 17:35:38
All orders have now been shipped. All regular orders coming in will be fulfilled same day/next day.
March 28 start, April 13 finish. 17 days to finish shipping out the whole GB :cool:
Do you even sleep? :p
No... :(
But I also don't like to needlessly drag on fulfillment. No one wants to be left waiting months...
Hey man, I respect that. I like you
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 13 April 2016, 19:36:59
Post by: Happylomo on Wed, 13 April 2016, 19:45:24
Just need to find the time to install them now.
Post by: tuco on Wed, 13 April 2016, 21:30:37
Post by: lootbag on Wed, 13 April 2016, 21:34:34
Now I know what everyone means by the pronounced bump.
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 13 April 2016, 21:58:14
All orders have now been shipped. All regular orders coming in will be fulfilled same day/next day.
March 28 start, April 13 finish. 17 days to finish shipping out the whole GB :cool:
Do you even sleep? :p
No... :(
But I also don't like to needlessly drag on fulfillment. No one wants to be left waiting months...
Sick commitment dude. Really much respect :)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 13 April 2016, 22:09:13
The Mrs says it has the magic word known as "Zeal" on a white box hence I know it's from you, great effort bud. Thanks for fulfilling this order to a Convict located in the pits of Hell.
Much appreciated......
Post by: gain on Thu, 14 April 2016, 04:45:18
oh god they feel so good
and the taiwanese switches too
Post by: pwade3 on Thu, 14 April 2016, 08:25:01
Ordered mine at the end of the GB, so it was only 2 weeks from ordering to being in my hands. You're an absolute monster, Zeal. :eek:
Now to order the board I want to put them in.
Post by: redbanshee on Thu, 14 April 2016, 09:30:50
(http://i.imgur.com/bToH6CG.jpg)
anyone?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 14 April 2016, 09:42:01
Has anyone actually soldered in their 62g zleaios yet? I got a huge batch and one of the pins is extremely loose in the casing in 80% of them. Now im afraid to use them.
That sucks, maybe Zeal knows if this has any impact on the switch.
If he does not respond before my package arrives I'll report on the condition of my switches. I think he will respond before me though since I don't expect to recieve it before Tuesday because of customs etc.
Post by: redbanshee on Thu, 14 April 2016, 09:44:30
Has anyone actually soldered in their 62g zleaios yet? I got a huge batch and one of the pins is extremely loose in the casing in 80% of them. Now im afraid to use them.
That sucks, maybe Zeal knows if this has any impact on the switch.
If he does not respond before my package arrives I'll report on the condition of my switches. I think he will respond before me though since I don't expect to recieve it before Tuesday because of customs etc.
He responded to me on IRC with "All sales final."
so apparently he doesnt really care if they work or not :mad:
Post by: rand77 on Thu, 14 April 2016, 10:04:57
I'm surprised how smooth and prominent the tactile bump is on the 78g switch. It's been a while since I used another cherry switch, but my gut tells me its even more pronounced than MX clears.
As an Alps fan, I think I am really going to enjoy these switches.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 14 April 2016, 10:21:43
He responded to me on IRC with "All sales final."
so apparently he doesnt really care if they work or not :mad:
Ouch, that hurts.
Maybe you can blame DHL, haha. (/s of course, as long as it is not shipping damage)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Thu, 14 April 2016, 10:29:19
Has anyone actually soldered in their 62g zleaios yet? I got a huge batch and one of the pins is extremely loose in the casing in 80% of them. Now im afraid to use them.
That sucks, maybe Zeal knows if this has any impact on the switch.
If he does not respond before my package arrives I'll report on the condition of my switches. I think he will respond before me though since I don't expect to recieve it before Tuesday because of customs etc.
He responded to me on IRC with "All sales final."
so apparently he doesnt really care if they work or not :mad:
I'm sure everyone would like to see some evidence of defective switches. Your post only eluded to you being afraid to solder them. Saying Zeal "doesn't care" isn't going to help anything.
Post by: ctrlX on Thu, 14 April 2016, 10:40:30
Has anyone actually soldered in their 62g zleaios yet? I got a huge batch and one of the pins is extremely loose in the casing in 80% of them. Now im afraid to use them.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bToH6CG.jpg)
anyone?
Received mine today! :thumb: Smooth and fast GB as always. Thanks Zeal!
I had major chattering issues with the R1 batch and told myself to use MX Clears in my next board. After experimenting with different springs, lubes, top housing etc. I came to realize that Zealios are far too superior. So the last day of the GB I ordered 65g and I couldn't be happier. Only objection I have is that the stems wobble a bit. It is most noticeable with SA profile caps.
As soon as I saw the post above I checked my newly arrived Zealios and can confirm this pin was a little bit loose. I then compared with my R1 65g Zealio left-overs. They had the same issue. Having said that, I think you just have to try to solder them and see if any of the switches are malfunctioning, i.e. chattering etc.
In my humble opinion I do not think the loose pin has any affect on the switch. Cause of chattering issues with R1 was clearly identified and documented here: http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I
My chattering issues were caused by bad soldering experience so since the R1 pin is also loose, it probably does not compromise the functionality of the switch. Unless yours are far more loose than my R1 and R2 65g Zealios. :)
Post by: redbanshee on Thu, 14 April 2016, 10:52:07
I'm sure everyone would like to see some evidence of defective switches. You post only eluded to you being afraid to solder them. Saying Zeal "doesn't care" isn't going to help anything.
Ill attach a multi meter to the contact legs and see if I can get them to actuate by wiggling the leg later when I get home.
Post by: Chachal on Thu, 14 April 2016, 11:23:28
(http://i.imgur.com/6I7c8nL.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 14 April 2016, 11:56:40
Has anyone actually soldered in their 62g zleaios yet? I got a huge batch and one of the pins is extremely loose in the casing in 80% of them. Now im afraid to use them.
That sucks, maybe Zeal knows if this has any impact on the switch.
If he does not respond before my package arrives I'll report on the condition of my switches. I think he will respond before me though since I don't expect to recieve it before Tuesday because of customs etc.
He responded to me on IRC with "All sales final."
so apparently he doesnt really care if they work or not :mad:
If I really didn't care about the product or my customers, I wouldn't be on IRC answering questions outside of regular business hours, nor would I be packing well overtime to get everyone's order out in a timely manner. Many other GBs take months to ship for orders way less than what I received. it's not really fair for you to word it that way when I've clearly explained to you on IRC that it is a non-issue.
The switch top holds the fatter/thicker contact leg in place, and this prevents it from "popping out" or moving out of place. If you pull out the stem and spring and re-assemble the top back on, you can observe how it's held in, in the top left corner by the switch top's plastic. At the same time, you can remove the top, press the stem down half way, but not past the tactile bump so it's in its resting position as if the switch top were on and see the distance between the two gold contacts. You can try and wiggle the thicker leg but it won't touch the other contact.
A little bit of wiggle room is required during the assembly process or you're going to end up with a bunch of switches without contact legs (aka crushed inside the housing). It's unavoidable and holds true for all Gateron switches (for both contact legs). Some may seem more noticeable than others due to tolerances and different plastic properties. The legs aren't pierce through the plastic housing, they're slotted into a pre-existing hole at a high speed.
The refund policy has always been listed at checkout, and hasn't changed since Oct '14. Due to the nature of the product and business (switches, switch modding parts, etc), I cannot be offering refunds left and right for random reasons that customers bring up. Being afraid to use them shouldn't be a valid reason for a refund.
Post by: BlueMoon on Thu, 14 April 2016, 12:52:44
I ordered about half 65g and half 78g -- really impressed with the switches so far. They're really smooth and just about the right level of tactile for me. That said, I'm surprised how hard it is for me to tell the difference between the two switches. I would have thought there would be a fairly noticeable difference in terms of firmness between the two, but they actually feel very similar (although I *think* I can sometimes tell the difference when I push them very slowly). Has anyone else had this experience? Fairly sure I'm just too used to my Black switches lately to have a good feel for tactile switches, but I'm a little paranoid that these feel so similar to me...
Anyone have any tips for reliably telling the switches apart (other than opening them and looking at the springs)? I think I may have gotten a couple mixed up and I want to make sure I get them organized appropriately.
Anyways, can't wait to use these in a build, current plan is to save them for the VE.A!
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 14 April 2016, 13:02:44
Anyone have any tips for reliably telling the switches apart (other than opening them and looking at the springs)? I think I may have gotten a couple mixed up and I want to make sure I get them organized appropriately.
IIRC the shade of purple gets darker the harder the switch is.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 14 April 2016, 13:13:52
Got my order yesterday -- I ordered post GB but with the pre-order pricing after messaging Zeal on reddit to ask some questions (which he was very helpful about).
I ordered about half 65g and half 78g -- really impressed with the switches so far. They're really smooth and just about the right level of tactile for me. That said, I'm surprised how hard it is for me to tell the difference between the two switches. I would have thought there would be a fairly noticeable difference in terms of firmness between the two, but they actually feel very similar (although I *think* I can sometimes tell the difference when I push them very slowly). Has anyone else had this experience? Fairly sure I'm just too used to my Black switches lately to have a good feel for tactile switches, but I'm a little paranoid that these feel so similar to me...
Anyone have any tips for reliably telling the switches apart (other than opening them and looking at the springs)? I think I may have gotten a couple mixed up and I want to make sure I get them organized appropriately.
Anyways, can't wait to use these in a build, current plan is to save them for the VE.A!
78g is an interesting weight since the spring is short with wider coils, very similar to 65g's. First half of the travel is light, hence the similarities. It's the bottom out that sets them apart. If you had gotten 65g/67gs, the bump would've been very noticeably different. I guess you can think of 78gs as 65gs with more cushion at the bottom.
65g and 78g stems are very easy to tell apart the difference. Darker one is 78g, 65g is the lighter one.
Post by: BlueMoon on Thu, 14 April 2016, 13:56:08
78g is an interesting weight since the spring is short with wider coils, very similar to 65g's. First half of the travel is light, hence the similarities. It's the bottom out that sets them apart. If you had gotten 65g/67gs, the bump would've been very noticeably different. I guess you can think of 78gs as 65gs with more cushion at the bottom.
65g and 78g stems are very easy to tell apart the difference. Darker one is 78g, 65g is the lighter one.
That description makes a lot of sense to me, I think I just barely prefer the 78g, but it's a subtle difference. I always bottom out though, so once I've set it up on a whole board it will probably be more noticeable. In some ways, the similarities are actually kinda nice because my intention is to use a combination of 65g/78g on a single board. I actually ordered the switch tester pack, and the 67g definitely feels pretty different from the other switches -- maybe I'll get a set of them in a future GB!
Thanks for the tip on the stem color. Not sure how I didn't notice last night, but it's a lot easier way to tell the difference than trying to press them side by a side a billion times :D
Post by: Siraj on Thu, 14 April 2016, 14:09:01
Post by: DavidNZ on Thu, 14 April 2016, 15:41:45
Anyone from UK get hit by customs or have to pay any additional fees? How long did it take from the shipping notification until you received it?
I think mine were sent Monday and I got them Wednesday, that was with DHL Express. No customs on mine.
Post by: Malenky on Thu, 14 April 2016, 15:45:30
Anyone from UK get hit by customs or have to pay any additional fees? How long did it take from the shipping notification until you received it?
As I said in an earlier post, shipping notification on Monday, at my door on Wednesday. No additional charges.
Post by: Siraj on Thu, 14 April 2016, 16:07:09
Anyone from UK get hit by customs or have to pay any additional fees? How long did it take from the shipping notification until you received it?
As I said in an earlier post, shipping notification on Monday, at my door on Wednesday. No additional charges.
I got mine Monday too. Hopefully they'll come tomorrow!
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 14 April 2016, 16:32:03
Anyone from UK get hit by customs or have to pay any additional fees? How long did it take from the shipping notification until you received it?
As I said in an earlier post, shipping notification on Monday, at my door on Wednesday. No additional charges.
I got mine Monday too. Hopefully they'll come tomorrow!
DHL is 2 day delivery service to EU with tracking. Canada Post can take 6-10 days for untracked delivery.
You shouldn't be getting charged customs on your parcels.
Post by: ctrlX on Thu, 14 April 2016, 17:12:41
Lubed Zealios is just puuure butter.
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
Post by: munch on Thu, 14 April 2016, 17:40:39
Has anyone actually soldered in their 62g zleaios yet? I got a huge batch and one of the pins is extremely loose in the casing in 80% of them. Now im afraid to use them.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bToH6CG.jpg)
anyone?
nothing to worry about, once you have it properly seated for soldering it'll be stuck anyway right?
won't affect feel or anything at all whatsoever. slightly different method of manufacturing.
still a better switch than Cherry ;)
Post by: Malenky on Thu, 14 April 2016, 18:08:31
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 14 April 2016, 19:55:03
A little bit of wiggle room is required during the assembly process or you're going to end up with a bunch of switches without contact legs (aka crushed inside the housing). It's unavoidable and holds true for all Gateron switches (for both contact legs). Some may seem more noticeable than others due to tolerances and different plastic properties. The legs aren't pierce through the plastic housing, they're slotted into a pre-existing hole at a high speed.
The wiggle is only there when you have the switch free from it's PCB. Once you solder it in, there's no more wiggle and the switch is firm and tight.
Always remember that every switch will act differently when not installed into it's PCB, so no need to go all "girlie" about it "wiggling" ;D .
Post by: filphil on Thu, 14 April 2016, 20:04:20
So I read on the Keychatter review that 67g feels better unlubed. What is the general consensus on this? I really like how they feel in my switch tester and honestly the only thing I can imagine lube doing to them is reducing the tactility, which feels perfect at the moment.
Using one switch to lube shouldn't be a big issue. IF you're tight on the number of switches and feel that it's not 100% to your liking you can delegate the lubed switch to spacebar. In the end we can't tell you that unlubed is better. I prefer a greased up 67g over out of the box 67g. Actually I prefer lubed vs unlubed in all variants.
Post by: pichu23 on Fri, 15 April 2016, 02:14:03
Anyone from UK get hit by customs or have to pay any additional fees? How long did it take from the shipping notification until you received it?
No fees! ^-^
Post by: Diokhan on Fri, 15 April 2016, 02:15:24
Anyone from UK get hit by customs or have to pay any additional fees? How long did it take from the shipping notification until you received it?
No fees! ^-^
I think he sent everything as low value merchandise so customs shouldn't be a problem.
Post by: r5d on Fri, 15 April 2016, 03:27:49
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 15 April 2016, 04:14:08
Recieved my Zealios yesterday here in Germany! No customs fees! My order # was #2940
DHL or Canada post? Also, when did you recieve your shipping confirmation (if it was Canada Post)? I'm just trying to figure out when it will probably arrive so someone is home to accept it.
Post by: r5d on Fri, 15 April 2016, 04:22:28
Recieved my Zealios yesterday here in Germany! No customs fees! My order # was #2940
DHL or Canada post? Also, when did you recieve your shipping confirmation (if it was Canada Post)? I'm just trying to figure out when it will probably arrive so someone is home to accept it.
They were sent on April 5th via Canada Post and arrived on April 14th.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 15 April 2016, 04:40:25
They were sent on April 5th via Canada Post and arrived on April 14th.
Thank you, seems like I can expect them on Tuesday or Wednesday then.
Post by: Siraj on Fri, 15 April 2016, 14:11:49
Anyone from UK get hit by customs or have to pay any additional fees? How long did it take from the shipping notification until you received it?
As I said in an earlier post, shipping notification on Monday, at my door on Wednesday. No additional charges.
Did it cost more to post DHL instead of Canada Post?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 15 April 2016, 15:17:29
Did it cost more to post DHL instead of Canada Post?
For me it was Canada Post $10 vs. DHL $30.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 15 April 2016, 15:18:57
Anyone from UK get hit by customs or have to pay any additional fees? How long did it take from the shipping notification until you received it?
As I said in an earlier post, shipping notification on Monday, at my door on Wednesday. No additional charges.
Did it cost more to post DHL instead of Canada Post?
$30 for DHL to EU, can order up to 400g (roughly 200x switches). $35 for 201-400ish switches.
$10 for Canada Post, can order up to 250g of switches (roughly 120x switches). Anything over this will become DHL shipping only.
Post by: asgeirtj on Fri, 15 April 2016, 15:56:33
Post by: E. on Fri, 15 April 2016, 17:19:21
Recieved my Zealios yesterday here in Germany! No customs fees! My order # was #2940
DHL or Canada post? Also, when did you recieve your shipping confirmation (if it was Canada Post)? I'm just trying to figure out when it will probably arrive so someone is home to accept it.
They were sent on April 5th via Canada Post and arrived on April 14th.
:'( #2840, Sent on March 29th, Canada Post #StillWaiting (Netherlands)
Post by: honeynugget on Fri, 15 April 2016, 17:27:12
Post by: zzyjayfree on Fri, 15 April 2016, 17:45:27
(http://i.imgur.com/B55BiT3.jpg)
Post by: Drift Monkey on Fri, 15 April 2016, 18:05:09
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 15 April 2016, 18:12:01
Recieved my Zealios yesterday here in Germany! No customs fees! My order # was #2940
DHL or Canada post? Also, when did you recieve your shipping confirmation (if it was Canada Post)? I'm just trying to figure out when it will probably arrive so someone is home to accept it.
They were sent on April 5th via Canada Post and arrived on April 14th.
:'( #2840, Sent on March 29th, Canada Post #StillWaiting (Netherlands)
#2840 was shipped to a USA address, not Netherlands.
Will there be extras available for sale at your website, Zeal? I bought some 62g switches with the group buy but my plans changed and I need about 20 more for a build.
I'm pretty much out of 62g's. Only 8 left, but those are just going to be used for sampler packs.
Post by: jennb on Fri, 15 April 2016, 19:30:43
Thanks for the switches and for your guidance on plate vs. pcb mounted! It's much appreciated.
Post by: E. on Fri, 15 April 2016, 19:39:43
Recieved my Zealios yesterday here in Germany! No customs fees! My order # was #2940
DHL or Canada post? Also, when did you recieve your shipping confirmation (if it was Canada Post)? I'm just trying to figure out when it will probably arrive so someone is home to accept it.
They were sent on April 5th via Canada Post and arrived on April 14th.
:'( #2840, Sent on March 29th, Canada Post #StillWaiting (Netherlands)
#2840 was shipped to a USA address, not Netherlands.
My bad, was sleepy; #2848** ;D
I have faith in the mailman though haha, probably getting it somewhere this week
Post by: honeynugget on Fri, 15 April 2016, 20:46:10
Will there be extras available for sale at your website, Zeal? I bought some 62g switches with the group buy but my plans changed and I need about 20 more for a build.
I'm pretty much out of 62g's. Only 8 left, but those are just going to be used for sampler packs.
That's too bad for me. Thanks for responding to my inquiry. I guess I'll just have to wait for round 3. Or if someone wants to sell me 20 of their 62g switches, I would be eternally grateful!
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 15 April 2016, 21:12:48
Can't wait to put them on a board to test them. A couple of months :rolleyes:
Post by: Saiph on Sat, 16 April 2016, 04:21:21
Will there be extras available for sale at your website, Zeal? I bought some 62g switches with the group buy but my plans changed and I need about 20 more for a build.
I'm pretty much out of 62g's. Only 8 left, but those are just going to be used for sampler packs.
That's too bad for me. Thanks for responding to my inquiry. I guess I'll just have to wait for round 3. Or if someone wants to sell me 20 of their 62g switches, I would be eternally grateful!
Post by: Siraj on Sat, 16 April 2016, 07:37:06
Shipping notification Monday, came just now through Canada Post, took 6 days. 65x 65g PCB mounted :D
I'm going to start my first custom build right now. I'll get some pictures in /r/MK soon!
Thanks so much for my first GB Henry!
Edit: I'm getting some chattering in some switches for some reason... I have 65g PCB switches and I soldered at around 300C.
http://prntscr.com/at16vt
Post by: bnthor on Sat, 16 April 2016, 15:18:53
Thank you !
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 16 April 2016, 17:27:40
#3245 Received!!!!!
Shipping notification Monday, came just now through Canada Post, took 6 days. 65x 65g PCB mounted :D
I'm going to start my first custom build right now. I'll get some pictures in /r/MK soon!
Thanks so much for my first GB Henry!
Edit: I'm getting some chattering in some switches for some reason... I have 65g PCB switches and I soldered at around 300C.
http://prntscr.com/at16vt
Replied to email. Make sure when soldering that you're heating the pad and pin for no more than 2 seconds at a time with a chisel tip. You should also try to avoid pushing against the pin while heating as transparent plastics will always have a lower melting point than other plastics, such as the milky or black Gateron bases. It's a trade-off that you'll have to deal with when going for better underglow/keycap lighting/aesthetics. Just have to be careful when soldering.
Post by: hoanglh94 on Mon, 18 April 2016, 07:38:09
Post by: MMjacksN on Mon, 18 April 2016, 08:34:53
please tell me 65 purple is still in stock :(
It's not. You can see for yourself in his store.
Post by: hoanglh94 on Mon, 18 April 2016, 15:07:05
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 18 April 2016, 23:11:18
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 19 April 2016, 07:38:49
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 19 April 2016, 08:05:50
Ordered April 1st, switches arrived April 13th, SIP's installed, LEDs installed, PCB legs pinched to fit, mounted in plate + PCB... Soldering tomorrow. Can't freaking wait =)
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 19 April 2016, 10:42:29
I had just never seen the leafs be loose in the casing before. No other brands do that (even other Gateron switches are tight in the casing). :confused:
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 20 April 2016, 01:46:24
btw, when is the next restock for 65g purple?
Will be running a R3 GB shortly, stay tuned.
My order (3351&3485) just arrived in germany. There is a problem with it though. I already contacted Zeal about this and hope we can figure things out.
Sorry about that, already solved the issue and replied to your email.
First post just to say thanks to Zeal for running this like a pro. I'm an indecisive prick and added items to my order twice, in addition to changing switch weights at the last possible moment. He stayed polite and took care of invoicing within minutes each time.
Ordered April 1st, switches arrived April 13th, SIP's installed, LEDs installed, PCB legs pinched to fit, mounted in plate + PCB... Soldering tomorrow. Can't freaking wait =)
:thumb: No problem. :)
Zeal, just wanted to apologize for me being a little mad about the switches being loose in the casing. Against my better judgement I just went ahead and soldered them in and they seem to be fine. 1 chattery switch across 200 switches so far (@480deg with kester 44). :thumb:
I had just never seen the leafs be loose in the casing before. No other brands do that (even other Gateron switches are tight in the casing). :confused:
No worries, I've had more heated emails come my way. :)
Post by: diiiP on Wed, 20 April 2016, 04:54:49
A more tightly sitting stem with less rotary play would be on my wishlist ;D
Well, cant wait any way :thumb:
Post by: spanyam on Wed, 20 April 2016, 19:25:37
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 21 April 2016, 00:27:03
Will R3 have any changes to the switches?
A more tightly sitting stem with less rotary play would be on my wishlist ;D
Well, cant wait any way :thumb:
No, unlikely that it can be updated that soon. R3 will be the same as R2.
Hey Zeal, any ETA for those who also ordered the V3 lube after stock ran out?
Mkawa's working on the lube mixture, just recently got all the stuff in and is mixing/pumping it as we speak. Will try to get a more time definite update this week. Sorry about the wait.
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 21 April 2016, 02:55:35
This is on 62g, so clear bottom PCB mount. Everything went super smoothly, including SIP sockets.
I'm really in love with these switches. To me, they feel like super silky Browns but with a much more noticeable bump. They're basically my perfect switch! I didn't lube them, though. I tried lubing a few of the extras I ordered and threw them on a switch tester for comparison. To me, the only noticeable difference was a decrease in the tactile bump. I love the stock bump, so I decided against lubing the rest.
Thanks again Zeal =)
Potato pictures with potato caps until some GBs ship.
(http://i.imgur.com/U9t7LoS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GJBtEfD.jpg)
Post by: ctrlX on Thu, 21 April 2016, 03:07:00
Just wanted to update after soldering. Was my first time soldering a keyboard and have experienced no chattering after running switch hitter most of the day in the background. Using an Aoyue 936 set to 350C and using Kester 44 63/37 .031" solder. I did as Zeal had suggested, taking around 2 seconds on each pad/pin before moving on to the next. If a pin needed to be reflowed, I moved on to others and came back to it once things had a chance to cool down just in case. I also read in the original thread that soldering the pin from the "inside" of the pin, near the center of the switch, might help and so I did that as well.Good stuff!
This is on 62g, so clear bottom PCB mount. Everything went super smoothly, including SIP sockets.
I'm really in love with these switches. To me, they feel like super silky Browns but with a much more noticeable bump. They're basically my perfect switch! I didn't lube them, though. I tried lubing a few of the extras I ordered and threw them on a switch tester for comparison. To me, the only noticeable difference was a decrease in the tactile bump. I love the stock bump, so I decided against lubing the rest.
Thanks again Zeal =)
Potato pictures with potato caps until some GBs ship.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/U9t7LoS.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GJBtEfD.jpg)
I am in the process of lubing my R2 Zealios. My R1 are soldered in without extra lube. It will be interesting to see the difference. After hitting lubed vs un-lubed in a switch tester I am pretty much more sold on having them lubed.
By the way. What board is that?
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Post by: nugglets on Thu, 21 April 2016, 03:23:25
Good stuff!
I am in the process of lubing my R2 Zealios. My R1 are soldered in without extra lube. It will be interesting to see the difference. After hitting lubed vs un-lubed in a switch tester I am pretty much more sold on having them lubed.
By the way. What board is that?
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Thanks =)
It's a Satan60 PCB with a MassDrop lipless acrylic case and Pok3r plate that I painted turquoise. I can't wait to get some better caps on it though. I traded an HKP Blank for this Code backlit set as a stop gap and they're just about the flimsiest ABS I have ever used. Have too much $$ tied up in unshipped GB's to spend more on caps, so they'll have to do for now.
About lubed vs un-lubed, I can definitely see why people like it. Just wasn't for me with this particular switch.
Post by: ctrlX on Thu, 21 April 2016, 03:46:18
Yes, switches are always a matter of subjective opinionGood stuff!
I am in the process of lubing my R2 Zealios. My R1 are soldered in without extra lube. It will be interesting to see the difference. After hitting lubed vs un-lubed in a switch tester I am pretty much more sold on having them lubed.
By the way. What board is that?
Sent from my Nexus 5X using Tapatalk
Thanks =)
It's a Satan60 PCB with a MassDrop lipless acrylic case and Pok3r plate that I painted turquoise. I can't wait to get some better caps on it though. I traded an HKP Blank for this Code backlit set as a stop gap and they're just about the flimsiest ABS I have ever used. Have too much $$ tied up in unshipped GB's to spend more on caps, so they'll have to do for now.
About lubed vs un-lubed, I can definitely see why people like it. Just wasn't for me with this particular switch.
Nice board, keep up the good work!
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Post by: bmilcs on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:47:43
Oh Zealios. You're so pretty.
Post by: spanyam on Thu, 21 April 2016, 12:19:39
Mkawa's working on the lube mixture, just recently got all the stuff in and is mixing/pumping it as we speak. Will try to get a more time definite update this week. Sorry about the wait.
Good to know, thanks!
Post by: gelmoak on Fri, 22 April 2016, 07:25:33
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 22 April 2016, 11:10:12
Hi Zeal I recived a shipping confirmation 11 days ago for order #3289 but I have still not recived any switches. Is it possible that they are lost in transit since alot ppl with later order numbers have recieved theirs?
Hi gelmoak, the untracked Canada Post method generally takes 6-10 business days for delivery. It should arrive sometime next week. If you haven't received your order by the end of the month, please contact me via email, thanks.
Post by: MMjacksN on Fri, 22 April 2016, 11:14:01
Hi Zeal I recived a shipping confirmation 11 days ago for order #3289 but I have still not recived any switches. Is it possible that they are lost in transit since alot ppl with later order numbers have recieved theirs?
I received my shipping notification 13 days before the package arrived here in Europe, but it took only 10 working days.
Post by: E. on Fri, 22 April 2016, 11:56:17
My bad, was sleepy; #2848** ;D
I have faith in the mailman though haha, probably getting it somewhere this week
Starting to lose faith in the mailman :(
Edit: just saw your reply zeal, if I havent' seen anything by the end of next week I'll contact you.
For now I'm just assuming customs is trying to find coke hidden in the switches even though they're transparent :))
Post by: -musubi on Fri, 22 April 2016, 13:15:39
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 22 April 2016, 16:19:12
Got my zealio's last week and finally got my WKL supplies. Super stoked to use these in my build, they feel fantastic so far. Surprised that R3 is up already too! Any plans to have a consistent schedule? May need some zealios later in the year but don't want to just have a bunch sitting around if I know they'd be coming back. Also are there any plans to lower the price if zealios start to become regularly stocked (due to high volume)?
Will try to keep the GB rounds consistent throughout the year.
As for pricing, it may seem like I'm shipping a lot of switches, but for Gateron, it's something they can pump out within a day. 100k, 200k Zealios are all the same pricing from them. Our orders are still a small fraction of what they produce daily. Due to this reason, the pricing will remain the same.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 22 April 2016, 16:22:11
Post by: -musubi on Fri, 22 April 2016, 16:22:19
Got my zealio's last week and finally got my WKL supplies. Super stoked to use these in my build, they feel fantastic so far. Surprised that R3 is up already too! Any plans to have a consistent schedule? May need some zealios later in the year but don't want to just have a bunch sitting around if I know they'd be coming back. Also are there any plans to lower the price if zealios start to become regularly stocked (due to high volume)?
Will try to keep the GB rounds consistent throughout the year.
As for pricing, it may seem like I'm shipping a lot of switches, but for Gateron, it's something they can pump out within a day. 100k, 200k Zealios are all the same pricing from them. Our orders are still a small fraction of what they produce daily. Due to this reason, the pricing will remain the same.
Awesome, that's good to hear. I may be back for R4 then possibly if my plans work out :)
I see, that makes sense. Hopefully zealios will reach that sort of volume one day then so that we can have some lower price points for these switches.
Post by: Glod on Fri, 22 April 2016, 22:06:55
They are easily the best stock mx switch ive used, and they sound good too
65g
video with sound (from phone) click
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1524/25983430493_e3a6bf3ae2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FA4SCV)
Post by: GoatMaster on Sat, 23 April 2016, 02:26:04
Hi Zeal I recived a shipping confirmation 11 days ago for order #3289 but I have still not recived any switches. Is it possible that they are lost in transit since alot ppl with later order numbers have recieved theirs?
I received my shipping notification 13 days before the package arrived here in Europe, but it took only 10 working days.
I am also waiting for my ordere to arrive. Shipping notification was at the 9. April. I also live in germany.
Post by: E. on Sat, 23 April 2016, 11:45:29
Starting to lose faith in the mailman :(
Switches just came in today
Got my shipping notification on 29-03, shipped with Canada post(order #2848)
Looking great Zeal thanks.
Post by: MMjacksN on Sat, 23 April 2016, 17:44:58
Post by: pichu23 on Sat, 23 April 2016, 18:50:59
Is it possible to look at the springs to distinguish a 67g switch from a 78g one? I'm having a hard time telling them apart based on color and keypress, but it seems like the 67g has a "tighter" spring, meaning that its pitch is lower than that of the 78g.
Could you look at the stem colours?
78g should be darker that the 67g.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 23 April 2016, 19:06:45
Is it possible to look at the springs to distinguish a 67g switch from a 78g one? I'm having a hard time telling them apart based on color and keypress, but it seems like the 67g has a "tighter" spring, meaning that its pitch is lower than that of the 78g.
78g is a bit darker than 67g. A bit easier to tell under pure white light. Will try to make it darker in R3.
The spring on 67g is longer (taller) than 78g and has more coils.
Post by: MMjacksN on Sat, 23 April 2016, 19:13:30
Is it possible to look at the springs to distinguish a 67g switch from a 78g one? I'm having a hard time telling them apart based on color and keypress, but it seems like the 67g has a "tighter" spring, meaning that its pitch is lower than that of the 78g.
Could you look at the stem colours?
78g should be darker that the 67g.
I tried, but to no avail.
Is it possible to look at the springs to distinguish a 67g switch from a 78g one? I'm having a hard time telling them apart based on color and keypress, but it seems like the 67g has a "tighter" spring, meaning that its pitch is lower than that of the 78g.
78g is a bit darker than 67g. A bit easier to tell under pure white light. Will try to make it darker in R3.
The spring on 67g is longer (taller) than 78g and has more coils.
Thank you! That confirms my suspicion.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 25 April 2016, 12:02:58
Geekhackers will be finishing up packing the vials and has stated that they will be shipped out tomorrow! :) I should be receiving the package early May.
Post by: Chewypost on Mon, 25 April 2016, 15:50:00
Post by: GoatMaster on Wed, 27 April 2016, 07:13:36
Now I have to wait for the PCB and the Plate...
(http://i.imgur.com/tm1DPPL.jpg)
Post by: filphil on Wed, 27 April 2016, 20:08:22
(http://i.imgur.com/N8Mlhf3.jpg)
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 28 April 2016, 03:28:38
Update for those waiting on Thick lube:
Geekhackers will be finishing up packing the vials and has stated that they will be shipped out tomorrow! :) I should be receiving the package early May.
So how come my package is already in my home? Hadn't opened it yet though. Got it while I walking out to my studio.
Post by: AgentZen on Thu, 28 April 2016, 16:37:27
Post by: pichu23 on Thu, 28 April 2016, 16:47:20
Lubed, test fitted the bottom row for correct placement, and now ready to solder up. Hope for no chattering but I have plenty of spares just in case.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/N8Mlhf3.jpg)
Nice Orion :)
Post by: eksuen on Thu, 28 April 2016, 18:56:06
If I was to have say... a few 65g zealios mixed into a bag of 67g zealios, are they labeled, or is there anyway to tell the difference between the two? Or rather, what would be the best way to tell the difference between the two? Actuation point?
The color of the stems are different shades of purple. See the first page of this thread.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 28 April 2016, 19:01:48
Lubed, test fitted the bottom row for correct placement, and now ready to solder up. Hope for no chattering but I have plenty of spares just in case.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/N8Mlhf3.jpg)
Nice pic! :)
Update for those waiting on Thick lube:
Geekhackers will be finishing up packing the vials and has stated that they will be shipped out tomorrow! :) I should be receiving the package early May.
So how come my package is already in my home? Hadn't opened it yet though. Got it while I walking out to my studio.
I had a few thick lube kits left over. There are a few orders waiting on thick lube that purchased the pre-order thick lube kits.
If I was to have say... a few 65g zealios mixed into a bag of 67g zealios, are they labeled, or is there anyway to tell the difference between the two? Or rather, what would be the best way to tell the difference between the two? Actuation point?
The different weights were bagged separately. If you had accidentally placed them in the wrong bag, the stem colour on 65g is lighter than 67g. It also a significantly different bump feel.
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 28 April 2016, 19:46:21
Update for those waiting on Thick lube:
Geekhackers will be finishing up packing the vials and has stated that they will be shipped out tomorrow! :) I should be receiving the package early May.
So how come my package is already in my home? Hadn't opened it yet though. Got it while I walking out to my studio.
I had a few thick lube kits left over. There are a few orders waiting on thick lube that purchased the pre-order thick lube kits.
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I see.. A couple times ago you said that the pre order thick lube is the new one which is a fusion of thick and spring lube. As I already got my thick lube I assume what I get is the 'old' thick lube which only offers stem lubing not spring, correct?
Post by: AgentZen on Thu, 28 April 2016, 19:46:27
The different weights were bagged separately. If you had accidentally placed them in the wrong bag, the stem colour on 65g is lighter than 67g. It also a significantly different bump feel.
Oh no, nothing you guys did wrong. Just certain I put a few in the wrong bag. Thanks for the tip.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 28 April 2016, 20:36:06
Update for those waiting on Thick lube:
Geekhackers will be finishing up packing the vials and has stated that they will be shipped out tomorrow! :) I should be receiving the package early May.
So how come my package is already in my home? Hadn't opened it yet though. Got it while I walking out to my studio.
I had a few thick lube kits left over. There are a few orders waiting on thick lube that purchased the pre-order thick lube kits.
I see.. A couple times ago you said that the pre order thick lube is the new one which is a fusion of thick and spring lube. As I already got my thick lube I assume what I get is the 'old' thick lube which only offers stem lubing not spring, correct?
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You could still use thick lube for springs, you may still enjoy it. You'll always benefit from lubing switch parts, can't really go wrong. The new thick lube is just thicker and a new formulation.
Post by: filphil on Thu, 28 April 2016, 22:23:37
Update for those waiting on Thick lube:
Geekhackers will be finishing up packing the vials and has stated that they will be shipped out tomorrow! :) I should be receiving the package early May.
So how come my package is already in my home? Hadn't opened it yet though. Got it while I walking out to my studio.
I had a few thick lube kits left over. There are a few orders waiting on thick lube that purchased the pre-order thick lube kits.
I see.. A couple times ago you said that the pre order thick lube is the new one which is a fusion of thick and spring lube. As I already got my thick lube I assume what I get is the 'old' thick lube which only offers stem lubing not spring, correct?
You could still use thick lube for springs, you may still enjoy it. You'll always benefit from lubing switch parts, can't really go wrong. The new thick lube is just thicker and a new formulation.
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Can confirm. Only used thick lube for my most recent switches and came out fine. Used minimal amounts on the spring and the cup/indent that the slider rests on. If you over lubricate though an annoying popping sound emerges as you press and release the switch - Less is more when it comes to lubing.
Post by: MMjacksN on Fri, 29 April 2016, 04:30:19
I had a few thick lube kits left over. There are a few orders waiting on thick lube that purchased the pre-order thick lube kits.
You say kit, was there supposed to be something more than just the vial included with the thick lube?
Post by: bmilcs on Fri, 29 April 2016, 14:32:15
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 29 April 2016, 14:37:14
I had a few thick lube kits left over. There are a few orders waiting on thick lube that purchased the pre-order thick lube kits.
You say kit, was there supposed to be something more than just the vial included with the thick lube?
Sorry, poor wording. Only a pre-mixed blend of Krytox lube in a vial is included.
Hey guys. How do you lube your Zealios? Same method as Ergoclear? I don't want to overdo it.
Depends on how you like your switches lubed. Lubing the legs will decrease the tactility due to the increased smoothness.
I personally lube front/back, legs, side rails (both steps), bottom housing guiding rails, pole, spring inside & out. Pretty much every contact surface and moveable part.
Post by: Fetty AWP on Sat, 30 April 2016, 21:24:25
Lubed them all with the same lube? Like say thick lube for all the contact points or do you use different lubes depending on which contact point?
Depends on how you like your switches lubed. Lubing the legs will decrease the tactility due to the increased smoothness.
I personally lube front/back, legs, side rails (both steps), bottom housing guiding rails, pole, spring inside & out. Pretty much every contact surface and moveable part.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 30 April 2016, 21:33:03
Lubed them all with the same lube? Like say thick lube for all the contact points or do you use different lubes depending on which contact point?
Depends on how you like your switches lubed. Lubing the legs will decrease the tactility due to the increased smoothness.
I personally lube front/back, legs, side rails (both steps), bottom housing guiding rails, pole, spring inside & out. Pretty much every contact surface and moveable part.
Yes, with the same lube. Thin for linears, thick for tactiles. Spring used to have it's own lube, but newer revisions will use "thick".
Post by: Fetty AWP on Sat, 30 April 2016, 21:58:29
Thanks for the quick answer! One last question, by "front/back" you mean the front and the back areas of the stem that rubs on the top housing?Lubed them all with the same lube? Like say thick lube for all the contact points or do you use different lubes depending on which contact point?
Depends on how you like your switches lubed. Lubing the legs will decrease the tactility due to the increased smoothness.
I personally lube front/back, legs, side rails (both steps), bottom housing guiding rails, pole, spring inside & out. Pretty much every contact surface and moveable part.
Yes, with the same lube. Thin for linears, thick for tactiles. Spring used to have it's own lube, but newer revisions will use "thick".
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 30 April 2016, 22:40:52
Post by: bmilcs on Sun, 01 May 2016, 10:06:16
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 01 May 2016, 17:31:14
i bought some zealios from the recent GB. can someone tell me the difference in feel between mounting these on an aluminum plate vs a steel plate?
Post by: easy_john on Thu, 12 May 2016, 04:39:44
Post by: meiosis on Thu, 12 May 2016, 19:02:46
question -[redacted]
i bought some zealios from the recent GB. can someone tell me the difference in feel between mounting these on an aluminum plate vs a steel plate?
Steel = linears
Alu = Tactile
Post by: Chewypost on Fri, 13 May 2016, 22:11:16
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 14 May 2016, 02:05:44
Finally got my order, but I have a question about applying the thick lube. Since it came in a vial, what would be the best way of getting it all out into a syringe? And what size of a syringe should I be looking for?
I'd highly recommend using a super fine paint brush. Trying to suck up all the lube with a syringe wouldn't be simple due to the thickness of the lube. You'd be pulling in air if you tried to slip the lube in while pulling some air on the sider. In addition to that, you'll need a special felt tip applicator for the luer lock if you'd like to lube with the syringe.
Post by: bmilcs on Mon, 16 May 2016, 10:15:57
Finally got my order, but I have a question about applying the thick lube. Since it came in a vial, what would be the best way of getting it all out into a syringe? And what size of a syringe should I be looking for?
I'll second the fine tip brush technique. I've created 2x Ergoclear boards using this method. Works fantastic.
Dispense small amounts of lube into a water bottle cap and use it to dip your brush in.
Post by: cpeterson19 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:08:32
What is the difference between the R2 and R3?
Thanks,
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:11:18
Sorry new here but im looking to order zealios for my 60 build but im debating between ordering the R2 becasue they are in stock, or should i wait and pre-order the R3?
What is the difference between the R2 and R3?
Thanks,
I don't think there is any difference between R2 and R3.
Just certain weights are sold out at the moment which will be replenished in R3.
Post by: cpeterson19 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:14:00
Then i might as well order R3, but now i dont know which weight i want ughhhh :p :p :p :p :p :p :p
Post by: cpeterson19 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:24:56
Post by: cpeterson19 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:34:26
Thanks,
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:35:19
oh! does R3 stand for "round 3" or Rev. 3" ?
Then i might as well order R3, but now i dont know which weight i want ughhhh :p :p :p :p :p :p :p
Round 2 and 3 are the same, one's just ready stock to be shipped, the other is pre-order.
Zealios are tactile switches, not clicky. In terms of weight, 62g is closest to Cherry blue, but 65g and 67g Zealios have been the most popular in R3.
Post by: cpeterson19 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:51:02
oh! does R3 stand for "round 3" or Rev. 3" ?
Then i might as well order R3, but now i dont know which weight i want ughhhh :p :p :p :p :p :p :p
Round 2 and 3 are the same, one's just ready stock to be shipped, the other is pre-order.
Zealios are tactile switches, not clicky. In terms of weight, 62g is closest to Cherry blue, but 65g and 67g Zealios have been the most popular in R3.
Thanks man your the best! cant wait to try them out!
Post by: cpeterson19 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:54:44
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:56:04
So R2 zealios are the ones in stock on your site?
R2 leftovers are listed here: https://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/zealio-switches
Post by: NiceAndCreamy on Tue, 17 May 2016, 12:26:44
I had a very large order and I'm extremely disappointed and will now have to check every switch before installation.
Post by: cmd on Tue, 17 May 2016, 13:04:00
Having issues with leads/pins/leaves, whatever you want to call them, being LOOSE straight out of the bag. I was installing some sip sockets and had the leaves just fall out of the bottom with a slight shake. If I'm not mistaken this is a major cause of chatter and is unacceptable for a product of this price. I will be keeping all of the ones I find and expect some sort of compensation.
I had a very large order and I'm extremely disappointed and will now have to check every switch before installation.
Out of 160 switches that I opened up to sip socket and lube, I didn't have one of the issues you are having so maybe you just got an unlucky batch? I would recommend emailing him directly or PM'ing him directly - I don't think you need to post what you did in the thread when you could have just approached Henry.
Post by: Zanduby on Tue, 17 May 2016, 13:36:23
SIP'd and lubed 70 switches last night, only had 1 of the leaves break.Having issues with leads/pins/leaves, whatever you want to call them, being LOOSE straight out of the bag. I was installing some sip sockets and had the leaves just fall out of the bottom with a slight shake. If I'm not mistaken this is a major cause of chatter and is unacceptable for a product of this price. I will be keeping all of the ones I find and expect some sort of compensation.
I had a very large order and I'm extremely disappointed and will now have to check every switch before installation.
Out of 160 switches that I opened up to sip socket and lube, I didn't have one of the issues you are having so maybe you just got an unlucky batch? I would recommend emailing him directly or PM'ing him directly - I don't think you need to post what you did in the thread when you could have just approached Henry.
Post by: Chewypost on Tue, 17 May 2016, 14:09:06
Having issues with leads/pins/leaves, whatever you want to call them, being LOOSE straight out of the bag. I was installing some sip sockets and had the leaves just fall out of the bottom with a slight shake. If I'm not mistaken this is a major cause of chatter and is unacceptable for a product of this price. I will be keeping all of the ones I find and expect some sort of compensation.
I had a very large order and I'm extremely disappointed and will now have to check every switch before installation.
Could seriously just be a bad bunch. I haven't had any problems with mine yet, but no need to be really negative about it. Just talk to Zeal and I'm sure he'll be understanding.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 17 May 2016, 14:56:27
Post by: joinhandmade on Wed, 18 May 2016, 02:43:14
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 18 May 2016, 02:47:28
Can u shipping to VietNam?
Yes, I can. I offer Canada Post (untracked) and DHL Express (3-5 Business days) to Vietnam.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sun, 22 May 2016, 14:33:01
Depends on how you like your switches lubed. Lubing the legs will decrease the tactility due to the increased smoothness.
I personally lube front/back, legs, side rails (both steps), bottom housing guiding rails, pole, spring inside & out. Pretty much every contact surface and moveable part.
front/back of what? I guess the legs are the legs of the stem? the side rails are the sides of the stem?
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 22 May 2016, 16:41:48
Depends on how you like your switches lubed. Lubing the legs will decrease the tactility due to the increased smoothness.
I personally lube front/back, legs, side rails (both steps), bottom housing guiding rails, pole, spring inside & out. Pretty much every contact surface and moveable part.
front/back of what? I guess the legs are the legs of the stem? the side rails are the sides of the stem?
"front" is the part above the leg, "back" is the opposite face, on the back end. Legs=legs, side rails = sides of the stem.
Post by: spwath on Fri, 27 May 2016, 16:28:20
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