Just messaged the seller saying I can offer double it, and s/he agreed. They'll be canceling your order in a bit.:eek:
Brand-new Model Ms are not that rare :p .
Brand-new Model Ms are not that rare
Clicky, Orihalcon and Cindy seem to find a reasonably number between them :) .Brand-new Model Ms are not that rare :p .
Sure they are.
Clicky, Orihalcon and Cindy seem to find a reasonably number between them :) .Brand-new Model Ms are not that rare :p .
Sure they are.
:thumb:If it's a terminal keyboard, you need a matching terminal and a really, really big computer. (https://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/images/p_2423PH3165.jpg)
Enjoy it. I just got a model m terminal keyboard from GreyAmbience - They're so cool. I just need to find a way to hook it up to a modern pc, or get a really really old one. :D
No way to convert it to modern pcs?:thumb:If it's a terminal keyboard, you need a matching terminal and a really, really big computer.
Enjoy it. I just got a model m terminal keyboard from GreyAmbience - They're so cool. I just need to find a way to hook it up to a modern pc, or get a really really old one. :DShow Image(https://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/images/p_2423PH3165.jpg)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RJ45-to-USB-Soarers-Converter-Model-M-Terminal-Keyboard-Remapping-Macros-/281476431381?hash=item41894d7e15:g:wwYAAOSwF1dUSZVm (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RJ45-to-USB-Soarers-Converter-Model-M-Terminal-Keyboard-Remapping-Macros-/281476431381?hash=item41894d7e15:g:wwYAAOSwF1dUSZVm)
No way to convert it to modern pcs?
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They are so rare here that I've never seen a new one, not even when they were still made. I've also never seen one showing up on ebay here before, only one or two in the US with high prices being asked for.I understand that PC Model M keyboards came in a box with a PS/2 purchase, but IBM rarely sold them alone. So, if you bought a PS/2, like my uncle did in 1990, it's likely that you have a Model M with it; however, unless the user felt inclined to use another keyboard with his new computer, the Model M is likely to have been used by now. The Mini-DIN port also encouraged many users to use the keyboard that came with their purchase, since most existing keyboards had an AT-style connector.
I even wonder how and where anyone got them. It's not like you could buy them in stores. How were they sold?
As far as I can tell, not many ppl here bought IBM. One reason probably was that their stuff was even more expensive than the alternatives. IBM has never been really noticeable here. You might find Siemens Nixdorf, Nixdorf, some brands nobody remembers, Schneider, even a VAX which a company would use to compile instructions for CNC machines, run some simulations on and then create punch strips that were fed into the CNC machines. But IBM? Ppl knew that IBM existed and was manufacturing computers nobody ever got to see or buy.
If you needed a PS/2 keyboard, you would either buy an adapter or a rubber board, or a rubber board would come with a computer you bought. I'm still annoyed by this stupid PS/2: You can hot-plug a keyboard with DIN connector, but you can't do that with PS/2. You can hot-plug serial mice, too. Now who would want to have to turn off their computer just to plug in, or unplug, a keyboard or a mouse? That is so retarded :((
Hey,
I just found, by pure chance, a brand new IBM Model M on ebay and spontaneously bought it. I can't believe it, that's like the find of a lifetime :))
It's from 1997, but hey.
Thank you kindly, sir!http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RJ45-to-USB-Soarers-Converter-Model-M-Terminal-Keyboard-Remapping-Macros-/281476431381?hash=item41894d7e15:g:wwYAAOSwF1dUSZVm (http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RJ45-to-USB-Soarers-Converter-Model-M-Terminal-Keyboard-Remapping-Macros-/281476431381?hash=item41894d7e15:g:wwYAAOSwF1dUSZVm)
No way to convert it to modern pcs?
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This should get you where you want to go
why they ever stopped making them.
As far as I can tell, not many ppl here bought IBM. One reason probably was that their stuff was even more expensive than the alternatives. IBM has never been really noticeable here. You might find Siemens Nixdorf, Nixdorf, some brands nobody remembers, Schneider, even a VAX which a company would use to compile instructions for CNC machines, run some simulations on and then create punch strips that were fed into the CNC machines. But IBM? Ppl knew that IBM existed and was manufacturing computers nobody ever got to see or buy.
If you needed a PS/2 keyboard, you would either buy an adapter or a rubber board, or a rubber board would come with a computer you bought. I'm still annoyed by this stupid PS/2: You can hot-plug a keyboard with DIN connector, but you can't do that with PS/2. You can hot-plug serial mice, too. Now who would want to have to turn off their computer just to plug in, or unplug, a keyboard or a mouse? That is so retarded :((
What the heck? Everyone here knows and loves IBM, and many own a Model M or F or beam spring. It's probably just not as discussed much these days because kustoms and artisan caps are all the rage.
But back when I lurked in 2010 the overwhelming view here was IBM was king, so that's why I bought my first mechanical: a Model M.
why they ever stopped making them.
"They" did not stop making them. You can buy a brand new 2016 one manufactured today.
Ebay probably never manufactured any ....
Ebay probably never manufactured any ....
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They are not the same, though.
They are not the same, though.
That has been a topic of extremely heated debate for years and is entirely dependent on the definition of "the same".
Hey... I just found, by pure chance, a brand new IBM Model M on ebay and spontaneously bought it... It's from 1997, but hey.
Hey... I just found, by pure chance, a brand new IBM Model M on ebay and spontaneously bought it... It's from 1997, but hey.
So what part number is it? I'm guessing it's one of the later Lexmarks (e.g. 42H1292, 52G9658, 82G2383, 92G7453) with the flat, attached cable and monochrome legends.
I think the later Lexmarks are particularly delightful to type on. The earlier IBM-made M's are great, too, but they tend to be quieter (relatively speaking!) and more tank-like. It's fun to have a later M, too, that really clicks and clanks.
You should post some photos here when you get it.
The cable is unfortunately not detachable and goes out at the left side. It seems to me that the keys are unusually light to press for a Model M, especially when compared to the Unicomp.
The cable is unfortunately not detachable and goes out at the left side. It seems to me that the keys are unusually light to press for a Model M, especially when compared to the Unicomp.
You can fix that with with one of Phosphor Glow's drop in USB replacement controllers.
That would make it sluggish like any USB keyboard.
PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority. USB devices apparently don't do as well.That would make it sluggish like any USB keyboard.
Huh?
PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority. USB devices apparently don't do as well.
I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment.PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority. USB devices apparently don't do as well.
Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?
I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78 (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/VT78.jpg). That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.
I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment.PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority. USB devices apparently don't do as well.
Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?
I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78 (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/VT78.jpg). That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.
Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't.
I'm someone who cares about the keyboard but not the mouse.I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment.PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority. USB devices apparently don't do as well.
Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?
I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78 (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/VT78.jpg). That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.
Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't.
Ah so I'm not alone in that, that's always nice to find out. :DI'm someone who cares about the keyboard but not the mouse.I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment.PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority. USB devices apparently don't do as well.
Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?
I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78 (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/VT78.jpg). That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.
Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't.
Me too man, I have some ****ty 30$ gaming mouse next to the custom 60% that cost about 6 times thatAh so I'm not alone in that, that's always nice to find out. :DI'm someone who cares about the keyboard but not the mouse.I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment.PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority. USB devices apparently don't do as well.
Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?
I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78 (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/VT78.jpg). That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.
Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't.
HIGH FIVE BUDDY!
No they aren't but where else are you going to get a keyboard with a unique switch and thick dye-sub PBT keycaps for under $90 xD
why they ever stopped making them.
"They" did not stop making them. You can buy a brand new 2016 one manufactured today.
Ok, IBM stopped making them.
Fortunately, you can buy one from Unicomp. They are not the same, though.
PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority. USB devices apparently don't do as well.
Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?
I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78 (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/VT78.jpg). That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.
I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?
Most hardcore gamers won't use a model m in the first place because it is 2kroI don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment.PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority. USB devices apparently don't do as well.
Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?
I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78 (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/VT78.jpg). That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.
Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't.
A trackball for gaming tho?I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?
Try a good trackball for a while and you'll be wondering how you could ever put up with a mouse.
I never found a mouse that isn't very straining and only one model that doesn't make my fingers hurt. Add to that all their other annoying features, and the only reason they are so common seems to be that no good trackballs were available at the time when mice invaded the realm of peripherals.
trackball for gaming sounds really ****ty. Ive tried a microsoft optical trackball and I cant get used to it. I used it for afew days until I just unplugged it and went back to the mouse. carpal tunnel can suck my ****A trackball for gaming tho?I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?
Try a good trackball for a while and you'll be wondering how you could ever put up with a mouse.
I never found a mouse that isn't very straining and only one model that doesn't make my fingers hurt. Add to that all their other annoying features, and the only reason they are so common seems to be that no good trackballs were available at the time when mice invaded the realm of peripherals.
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It takes more than a couple days to get used to it. That's what this is all about. Not which is best or worst. It's what you are most comfortable with. I can't play fps with a trackball better than a mouse because I have jittery hands, but I can play many genres with a trackball as good or better than with a controller or a mouse.trackball for gaming sounds really ****ty. Ive tried a microsoft optical trackball and I cant get used to it. I used it for afew days until I just unplugged it and went back to the mouse. carpal tunnel can suck my ****A trackball for gaming tho?I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?
Try a good trackball for a while and you'll be wondering how you could ever put up with a mouse.
I never found a mouse that isn't very straining and only one model that doesn't make my fingers hurt. Add to that all their other annoying features, and the only reason they are so common seems to be that no good trackballs were available at the time when mice invaded the realm of peripherals.
Sent from my stinky butt.
No they aren't but where else are you going to get a keyboard with a unique switch and thick dye-sub PBT keycaps for under $90 xD
why they ever stopped making them.
"They" did not stop making them. You can buy a brand new 2016 one manufactured today.
Ok, IBM stopped making them.
Fortunately, you can buy one from Unicomp. They are not the same, though.
The only issue ive ever had with keycaps was wearing off pad printing. As for model m quality declining, The newest M ive used was a '93 1401. There was a pretty big difference in keyfeel between it and my '87 0131. the '93 1401 was pretty well used though. I was thinking about scoring a unicomp 122, but I realized for about 50$ more I can get a f122. unicomp has its place in the market, but it sure isnt for me.No they aren't but where else are you going to get a keyboard with a unique switch and thick dye-sub PBT keycaps for under $90 xD
why they ever stopped making them.
"They" did not stop making them. You can buy a brand new 2016 one manufactured today.
Ok, IBM stopped making them.
Fortunately, you can buy one from Unicomp. They are not the same, though.
That they come at a reasonable price still doesn't make them the same.
I care about how well a keyboard serves its purpose, and that includes more than just the typing on it. I've been using Model Ms since the early 1990s, the first one being made in 1986. I have also typed on electrical typewriters made by IBM, and those had excellent keyboards. Any keyboard has to meet expectations formed by that. The Model M I got last week is made in 1997, and it is also not the same as earlier ones.
It's really sad that the quality of most things is declining so rapidly over the years. Nowadays they build cars that cost about 50000 and don't even have decent heating. If I had bought that new, I wouldn't have put up with that. Decent heating for cars is even required by law here. Yet once we're forced to use electrical cars which will cost twice that, we probably won't have any heating at all. So you can't really say it's about how much quality costs.
I never had a problem with keycaps wearing out, though. Perhaps some ppl have finger tips like sand paper? ;)
A trackball for gaming tho?
Try a good trackball for a while and you'll be wondering how you could ever put up with a mouse.
I never found a mouse that isn't very straining and only one model that doesn't make my fingers hurt. Add to that all their other annoying features, and the only reason they are so common seems to be that no good trackballs were available at the time when mice invaded the realm of peripherals.
PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority. USB devices apparently don't do as well.
Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?
I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78 (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/VT78.jpg). That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.
Are you saying that keyboards don't have buffers anymore?
USB keyboards are slow to respond. If that is a problem depends on what you consider a problem. I do notice that there is a delay between pressing a key and something happening when I use an USB keyboard. PS/2 keyboards do not have this delay. This doesn't merely apply to games, it applies to the overall responsiveness of my computer, and it annoys me when the response is sluggish.
To give you an example, install a slow graphics card and do some web browsing and all kinds of other things you usually do for a week or two. Then install a fast graphics card and do the same things as before. You will notce a difference in overall responsiveness. That is like the difference between an USB keyboard and a PS/2 (or DIN) keyboard.
Some ppl might not notice it at all. I do. You probably wouldn't believe how delighted I was when I switched from the USB Unicomp to the Omron keyboard I'm using now just because it's so much more responsive.
Most hardcore gamers won't use a model m in the first place because it is 2kro
2kro doesn't have to do with USB vs p/s2 it's the limitation set by the model ms membrane tech. Like this could severely limit your ability to even play some simple platformers, forget trying to run diagonally while switching a weapon and reloading fluidly.Most hardcore gamers won't use a model m in the first place because it is 2kro
The only game I found for which that might have mattered is Vendetta. I can't tell for sure because Vendetta sucks, besides other things, in that your opponent can turn around their ship and shoot you without you seeing any of that happening except that you're being hit when it isn't possible.
So when and how does it matter? I know I can't play UT2004 with an USB keyboard because USB keyboards are way too slow for that. How many of the so-called gaming keyboards aren't USB?
Are you saying that you notice a delay on USB keyboards vs PS/2 keyboards when merely typing? If so, I applaud your superhuman skills!
If the USB delay is so significant, why isn't there a market for PCIe cards with a PS/2 interface? I would think there would be a huge market for such a card for gamers where every picosecond counts.
2kro doesn't have to do with USB vs p/s2 it's the limitation set by the model ms membrane tech. Like this could severely limit your ability to even play some simple platformers, forget trying to run diagonally while switching a weapon and reloading fluidly.Most hardcore gamers won't use a model m in the first place because it is 2kro
The only game I found for which that might have mattered is Vendetta. I can't tell for sure because Vendetta sucks, besides other things, in that your opponent can turn around their ship and shoot you without you seeing any of that happening except that you're being hit when it isn't possible.
So when and how does it matter? I know I can't play UT2004 with an USB keyboard because USB keyboards are way too slow for that. How many of the so-called gaming keyboards aren't USB?
CSGO2kro doesn't have to do with USB vs p/s2 it's the limitation set by the model ms membrane tech. Like this could severely limit your ability to even play some simple platformers, forget trying to run diagonally while switching a weapon and reloading fluidly.Most hardcore gamers won't use a model m in the first place because it is 2kro
The only game I found for which that might have mattered is Vendetta. I can't tell for sure because Vendetta sucks, besides other things, in that your opponent can turn around their ship and shoot you without you seeing any of that happening except that you're being hit when it isn't possible.
So when and how does it matter? I know I can't play UT2004 with an USB keyboard because USB keyboards are way too slow for that. How many of the so-called gaming keyboards aren't USB?
I know it's not the type of connection that limits how many keys you can press at once.
I suppose it would take four fingers pressing one key each to run diagonally and switch a weapon while reloading it. (Try switching a weapon while reloading it in rl ...) Do you really press more than 2 keys at really the same time to do that? I can see pressing two keys at the same time to run diagonally. I don't run diagonally like that, though, I run into some direction and steer with the trackball. I don't remember a game that required one to run precisely diagonally as you only could with the keys.
I can play Descent on a Model M just fine.
I do notice.
There probably is a market. Only almost nobody has ventured into it yet.
Other than that, I don't understand why any of these gamers would want an USB keyboard for gaming. I don't understand either why PS/2 was invented because you can't hotplug it as you could with DIN and serial connectors. Being hotpluggable is the only advantage that USB has, and that's only over PS/2.
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I wonder if that's real PS/2 ports or merely an adapter to USB, though. I definitely want PS/2 and at least one serial port when looking for a mainboard or a computer to buy. (You can't reasonably configure a switch or a router without a console cable, and they are serial.)
If there is no difference between DIN and PS/2, how come you never get away with hotplugging PS/2?
And even if Model M's did have 2KRO, what gamers would want to use buckling springs? Unless maybe they were playing an old adventure game about guys in white shirts and ties installing IBMs.I enjoy playing platform games with buckling springs. You don't need to know how quickly you're pressing a button, but you need to be able to control precisely when the button presses.
And even if Model M's did have 2KRO, what gamers would want to use buckling springs? Unless maybe they were playing an old adventure game about guys in white shirts and ties installing IBMs.I use my model F to play games, whats wrong with using BS to play games?
And even if Model M's did have 2KRO, what gamers would want to use buckling springs? Unless maybe they were playing an old adventure game about guys in white shirts and ties installing IBMs.I use my model F to play games, whats wrong with using BS to play games?
Buckling Spring was never an impediment to my playing BF4.BS is okay for most genres of games including mid-requirement ones like FPS games. I've found them quite lacking in games with high precision requirements though, especially fighting and racing games. I think Super Meat Boy wasn't all that easy to play on them either IIRC.
Brand-new Model Ms are not that rare :p .
I can't stand gaming on a Model M so I just use these Matias for everything now. The 2KRO, heavy weight, and click, all annoy me during my intense games of TF2.Do you work for Mathias lol. You should rep for them
The word "rare" gets thrown around a lot. Rare should mean, here is a big suitcase of cash if you can find me item ABC. No? Well then it's rare!
I enjoy playing platform games with buckling springs. You don't need to know how quickly you're pressing a button, but you need to be able to control precisely when the button presses.
I use my model F to play games, whats wrong with using BS to play games?
It's BS.
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a Model F probably would be a better gaming board than an M, as it'd be a bit quicker.
:eek: Are there such people?I enjoy playing platform games with buckling springs. You don't need to know how quickly you're pressing a button, but you need to be able to control precisely when the button presses.
Good point. There are games that hinge on rapidly repeated key presses (so-called "key mashers"), for which BS boards would probably not be ideal tools. But games like those clearly lack the subtlety that generally appeals to BS users in the first place. For example, there must be some BS boards that are used in trailer parks, but they're going to be the exception.I use my model F to play games, whats wrong with using BS to play games?
Come to think of it, a Model F probably would be a better gaming board than an M, as it'd be a bit quicker. Huh, never thought of that. (By saying that, I realize I'm taking a chance on raising the hackles of the pro-M, anti-F faction... So be it.)
Come to think of it, a Model F probably would be a better gaming board than an M, as it'd be a bit quicker. Huh, never thought of that. (By saying that, I realize I'm taking a chance on raising the hackles of the pro-M, anti-F faction... So be it.)
:eek: Are there such people?
Did IBM users perceive a downgrade when they unboxed shiny new PS/2 and binned their PC/AT?