I can't believe it

[lee+]

Hey,

I just found, by pure chance, a brand new IBM Model M on ebay and spontaneously bought it.  I can't believe it, that's like the find of a lifetime )

It's from 1997, but hey.

[romevi]

Just messaged the seller saying I can offer double it, and s/he agreed. They'll be canceling your order in a bit.

[y11971alex]

Just messaged the seller saying I can offer double it, and s/he agreed. They'll be canceling your order in a bit.

[chyros]

Brand-new Model Ms are not that rare .

[E TwentyNine]

Brand-new Model Ms are not that rare .

Sure they are.

[fohat.digs]

Brand-new Model Ms are not that rare

Model Ms "clean up" very well, new is not a particularly important criteria. And the one "New-in-Box" specimen that I bought had half its rivets broken, anyway.

[Fullcream]

cool! I am excited for you!
always wanted a model m for a decent price

[klennkellon]

Model M's are great.

Mine is from 1987, get on my level xD

[demik]

Smh u dudes just ****ting on op's dreams.

OP DO YOU BOOBOO. U GET THAT EXTREMELY LOUD AND ANNOYING KEYBOARD AND ENJOY THE **** OUT OF IT.

[chyros]

Brand-new Model Ms are not that rare .

Sure they are.

Clicky, Orihalcon and Cindy seem to find a reasonably number between them .

[Bucake]

yeah well, it helps to know where to look. they're veterans and it's their business, which changes everything

anyway, personally i think NIB is worth some extra cash. no scratches or dirt, no damage (except for maybe rivets)
i gladly pay extra to get something unused

enjoy your fresh model m!

[QuincyJones]

"New" on eBay and from 1997... Suuuure!

[SBJ]

 
Enjoy it. I just got a model m terminal keyboard from GreyAmbience - They're so cool. I just need to find a way to hook it up to a modern pc, or get a really really old one.

[E TwentyNine]

Brand-new Model Ms are not that rare .

Sure they are.

Clicky, Orihalcon and Cindy seem to find a reasonably number between them .

And yet they're still rare.

[y11971alex]

Enjoy it. I just got a model m terminal keyboard from GreyAmbience - They're so cool. I just need to find a way to hook it up to a modern pc, or get a really really old one.

If it's a terminal keyboard, you need a matching terminal and a really, really big computer.

[SBJ]

Enjoy it. I just got a model m terminal keyboard from GreyAmbience - They're so cool. I just need to find a way to hook it up to a modern pc, or get a really really old one.

If it's a terminal keyboard, you need a matching terminal and a really, really big computer.

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No way to convert it to modern pcs?

Sendt fra min SM-G920F med Tapatalk

[mike52787]

No way to convert it to modern pcs?

Sendt fra min SM-G920F med Tapatalk

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RJ45-to-USB-Soarers-Converter-Model-M-Terminal-Keyboard-Remapping-Macros-/281476431381?hash=item41894d7e15:g:wwYAAOSwF1dUSZVm
This should get you where you want to go

[lee+]

They are so rare here that I've never seen a new one, not even when they were still made.  I've also never seen one showing up on ebay here before, only one or two in the US with high prices being asked for.

I even wonder how and where anyone got them.  It's not like you could buy them in stores.  How were they sold?

[y11971alex]

They are so rare here that I've never seen a new one, not even when they were still made.  I've also never seen one showing up on ebay here before, only one or two in the US with high prices being asked for.

I even wonder how and where anyone got them.  It's not like you could buy them in stores.  How were they sold?

I understand that PC Model M keyboards came in a box with a PS/2 purchase, but IBM rarely sold them alone.  So, if you bought a PS/2,  like my uncle did in 1990, it's likely that you have a Model M with it; however, unless the user felt inclined to use another keyboard with his new computer, the Model M is likely to have been used by now.  The Mini-DIN port also encouraged many users to use the keyboard that came with their purchase, since most existing keyboards had an AT-style connector. 

Of course, if one were an IBM dealer, the story is wholly different. 

[lee+]

As far as I can tell, not many ppl here bought IBM.  One reason probably was that their stuff was even more expensive than the alternatives.  IBM has never been really noticeable here.  You might find Siemens Nixdorf, Nixdorf, some brands nobody remembers, Schneider, even a VAX which a company would use to compile instructions for CNC machines, run some simulations on and then create punch strips that were fed into the CNC machines.  But IBM?  Ppl knew that IBM existed and was manufacturing computers nobody ever got to see or buy.

If you needed a PS/2 keyboard, you would either buy an adapter or a rubber board, or a rubber board would come with a computer you bought.  I'm still annoyed by this stupid PS/2:  You can hot-plug a keyboard with DIN connector, but you can't do that with PS/2.  You can hot-plug serial mice, too.  Now who would want to have to turn off their computer just to plug in, or unplug, a keyboard or a mouse?  That is so retarded (

[romevi]

As far as I can tell, not many ppl here bought IBM.  One reason probably was that their stuff was even more expensive than the alternatives.  IBM has never been really noticeable here.  You might find Siemens Nixdorf, Nixdorf, some brands nobody remembers, Schneider, even a VAX which a company would use to compile instructions for CNC machines, run some simulations on and then create punch strips that were fed into the CNC machines.  But IBM?  Ppl knew that IBM existed and was manufacturing computers nobody ever got to see or buy.

If you needed a PS/2 keyboard, you would either buy an adapter or a rubber board, or a rubber board would come with a computer you bought.  I'm still annoyed by this stupid PS/2:  You can hot-plug a keyboard with DIN connector, but you can't do that with PS/2.  You can hot-plug serial mice, too.  Now who would want to have to turn off their computer just to plug in, or unplug, a keyboard or a mouse?  That is so retarded (

What the heck? Everyone here knows and loves IBM, and many own a Model M or F or beam spring. It's probably just not as discussed much these days because kustoms and artisan caps are all the rage.

But back when I lurked in 2010 the overwhelming view here was IBM was king, so that's why I bought my first mechanical: a Model M.

[ninjadoc]

Hey,

I just found, by pure chance, a brand new IBM Model M on ebay and spontaneously bought it.  I can't believe it, that's like the find of a lifetime )

It's from 1997, but hey.

Hey, enjoy your Model M!
fohat.digs is the man to ask questions to about it if you have any

[SBJ]

No way to convert it to modern pcs?

Sendt fra min SM-G920F med Tapatalk

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-RJ45-to-USB-Soarers-Converter-Model-M-Terminal-Keyboard-Remapping-Macros-/281476431381?hash=item41894d7e15:g:wwYAAOSwF1dUSZVm
This should get you where you want to go

Thank you kindly, sir!

[lee+]

It has arrived!

It /is/ new.  It's heavy.  It comes in it's original box.  It's shiny.

I never knew they looked that good when new.  This makes it even less understandable why they ever stopped making them.

[fohat.digs]

why they ever stopped making them.

"They" did not stop making them. You can buy a brand new 2016 one manufactured today.

[lee+]

As far as I can tell, not many ppl here bought IBM.  One reason probably was that their stuff was even more expensive than the alternatives.  IBM has never been really noticeable here.  You might find Siemens Nixdorf, Nixdorf, some brands nobody remembers, Schneider, even a VAX which a company would use to compile instructions for CNC machines, run some simulations on and then create punch strips that were fed into the CNC machines.  But IBM?  Ppl knew that IBM existed and was manufacturing computers nobody ever got to see or buy.

If you needed a PS/2 keyboard, you would either buy an adapter or a rubber board, or a rubber board would come with a computer you bought.  I'm still annoyed by this stupid PS/2:  You can hot-plug a keyboard with DIN connector, but you can't do that with PS/2.  You can hot-plug serial mice, too.  Now who would want to have to turn off their computer just to plug in, or unplug, a keyboard or a mouse?  That is so retarded (

What the heck? Everyone here knows and loves IBM, and many own a Model M or F or beam spring. It's probably just not as discussed much these days because kustoms and artisan caps are all the rage.

But back when I lurked in 2010 the overwhelming view here was IBM was king, so that's why I bought my first mechanical: a Model M.

Well, first you have to get one.  Sure you get them off ebay nowadays, and you did in 2010.

But what about 1985+?  Ebay probably never manufactured any, so where do the ones you can get now come from in the first place?

I know they come from IBM, and nobody bought IBM, and you never found them in shops.  Their origin  remains a mystery.

[lee+]

why they ever stopped making them.

"They" did not stop making them. You can buy a brand new 2016 one manufactured today.

Ok, IBM stopped making them.

Fortunately, you can buy one from Unicomp.  They are not the same, though.

[emdude]

Ebay probably never manufactured any ....

o_O

[lee+]

Ebay probably never manufactured any ....

o_O

Well, I can't tell for sure, can you?

[fohat.digs]

They are not the same, though.

That has been a topic of extremely heated debate for years and is entirely dependent on the definition of "the same".

[romevi]

I am









confused.

[emdude]

Same.

They are not the same, though.

That has been a topic of extremely heated debate for years and is entirely dependent on the definition of "the same".

Functionally, they are the same.  As far as materials used and QA are concerned, they are not.

[ander]

Hey... I just found, by pure chance, a brand new IBM Model M on ebay and spontaneously bought it... It's from 1997, but hey.

So what part number is it? I'm guessing it's one of the later Lexmarks (e.g. 42H1292, 52G9658, 82G2383, 92G7453) with the flat, attached cable and monochrome legends.

I think the later Lexmarks are particularly delightful to type on. The earlier IBM-made M's are great, too, but they tend to be quieter (relatively speaking!) and more tank-like. It's fun to have a later M, too, that really clicks and clanks.

You should post some photos here when you get it.

[lee+]

Hey... I just found, by pure chance, a brand new IBM Model M on ebay and spontaneously bought it... It's from 1997, but hey.

So what part number is it? I'm guessing it's one of the later Lexmarks (e.g. 42H1292, 52G9658, 82G2383, 92G7453) with the flat, attached cable and monochrome legends.

I think the later Lexmarks are particularly delightful to type on. The earlier IBM-made M's are great, too, but they tend to be quieter (relatively speaking!) and more tank-like. It's fun to have a later M, too, that really clicks and clanks.

You should post some photos here when you get it.

Perhaps I get around to take some pictures on the weekend; I have at least two keyboards I want to take pictures of.

Part number, let's see ... 1391403, 19-03-97, Made in United Kingdom by IBM United Kingdom Limited, Greenook, Schotland UK

There's also what seems to be a signature of who ever did the quality control on the sticker, in red.

The cable is unfortunately not detachable and goes out at the left side.  It seems to me that the keys are unusually light to press for a Model M, especially when compared to the Unicomp.

[UnFocused]

The cable is unfortunately not detachable and goes out at the left side.  It seems to me that the keys are unusually light to press for a Model M, especially when compared to the Unicomp.

You can fix that with with one of Phosphor Glow's drop in USB replacement controllers.

[lee+]

The cable is unfortunately not detachable and goes out at the left side.  It seems to me that the keys are unusually light to press for a Model M, especially when compared to the Unicomp.

You can fix that with with one of Phosphor Glow's drop in USB replacement controllers.

That would make it sluggish like any USB keyboard.

[UnFocused]

That would make it sluggish like any USB keyboard.

Huh?

[y11971alex]

That would make it sluggish like any USB keyboard.

Huh?

PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority.  USB devices apparently don't do as well.

[UnFocused]

PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority.  USB devices apparently don't do as well.

Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?

I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78. That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.

[y11971alex]

PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority.  USB devices apparently don't do as well.

Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?

I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78. That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.

I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment. 

Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't. 

[SBJ]

PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority.  USB devices apparently don't do as well.

Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?

I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78. That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.

I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment. 

Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't.

I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?

[y11971alex]

PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority.  USB devices apparently don't do as well.

Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?

I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78. That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.

I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment. 

Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't.

I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?

I'm someone who cares about the keyboard but not the mouse. 

[SBJ]

PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority.  USB devices apparently don't do as well.

Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?

I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78. That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.

I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment. 

Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't.

I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?

I'm someone who cares about the keyboard but not the mouse.

Ah so I'm not alone in that, that's always nice to find out.
HIGH FIVE BUDDY!

[mike52787]

PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority.  USB devices apparently don't do as well.

Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?

I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78. That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.

I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment. 

Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't.

I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?

I'm someone who cares about the keyboard but not the mouse.

Ah so I'm not alone in that, that's always nice to find out.
HIGH FIVE BUDDY!

Me too man, I have some ****ty 30$ gaming mouse next to the custom 60% that cost about 6 times that


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[klennkellon]

why they ever stopped making them.

"They" did not stop making them. You can buy a brand new 2016 one manufactured today.

Ok, IBM stopped making them.

Fortunately, you can buy one from Unicomp.  They are not the same, though.

No they aren't but where else are you going to get a keyboard with a unique switch and thick dye-sub PBT keycaps for under $90 xD

[lee+]

PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority.  USB devices apparently don't do as well.

Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?

I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78. That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.

Are you saying that keyboards don't have buffers anymore?

USB keyboards are slow to respond.  If that is a problem depends on what you consider a problem.  I do notice that there is a delay between pressing a key and something happening when I use an USB keyboard.  PS/2 keyboards do not have this delay.  This doesn't merely apply to games, it applies to the overall responsiveness of my computer, and it annoys me when the response is sluggish.

To give you an example, install a slow graphics card and do some web browsing and all kinds of other things you usually do for a week or two.  Then install a fast graphics card and do the same things as before.  You will notce a difference in overall responsiveness.  That is like the difference between an USB keyboard and a PS/2 (or DIN) keyboard.

Some ppl might not notice it at all.  I do.  You probably wouldn't believe how delighted I was when I switched from the USB Unicomp to the Omron keyboard I'm using now just because it's so much more responsive.

[lee+]

I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?

Try a good trackball for a while and you'll be wondering how you could ever put up with a mouse.

I never found a mouse that isn't very straining and only one model that doesn't make my fingers hurt.  Add to that all their other annoying features, and the only reason they are so common seems to be that no good trackballs were available at the time when mice invaded the realm of peripherals.

[Moistgun]

PS/2 ports transmit an interrupt to the CPU (or south bridge?) that gets processed in priority.  USB devices apparently don't do as well.

Ah, and I'm guessing this may be a problem for gamers?

I've never had a problem typing fast on an USB keyboard or any other type of keyboard with one exception, a DEC VT78. That thing had two 8" floppy drives and I did some data entry on it for a time. I was able to type faster than the characters would show up on the screen, but it must have had a keyboard buffer because all the characters would show up... eventually.

I don't think it really matters, but hardcore gamers are particular about their equipment. 

Sometimes they can make some sense, such as changing the activation distance of switches, but other times, they don't.

Most hardcore gamers won't use a model m in the first place because it is 2kro

Sent from my local payphone

[SBJ]

I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?

Try a good trackball for a while and you'll be wondering how you could ever put up with a mouse.

I never found a mouse that isn't very straining and only one model that doesn't make my fingers hurt.  Add to that all their other annoying features, and the only reason they are so common seems to be that no good trackballs were available at the time when mice invaded the realm of peripherals.

A trackball for gaming tho?

Sent from my stinky butt.

[mike52787]

I am really far from being a hardcore gamer, but I kinda care about the peripherals I have around me as well. Although my mouse I don't care that much about, I just buy one. Might be a mistake?

Try a good trackball for a while and you'll be wondering how you could ever put up with a mouse.

I never found a mouse that isn't very straining and only one model that doesn't make my fingers hurt.  Add to that all their other annoying features, and the only reason they are so common seems to be that no good trackballs were available at the time when mice invaded the realm of peripherals.

A trackball for gaming tho?

Sent from my stinky butt.

trackball for gaming sounds really ****ty. Ive tried a microsoft optical trackball and I cant get used to it. I used it for afew days until I just unplugged it and went back to the mouse. carpal tunnel can suck my ****