Post by: MkLovin on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:15:21
Penumbra has had a long standing history of being a simple, elegant and gorgeous set. The set is highly desired by a ton of collectors. I am not going to re-make the set in SA due to the fact that it would be highly controversial as well as rude to the creator of the set. I am not proposing this because I want to stir up trouble in the community. I love this community and I respect the creators who spend time and make sets. However, this colorway has been gone for a very long time. I think revitalizing it with a twist will be good for the community. A lot of people can get their hands on an incredible colorway but the owners of the SA version won't be subject to having their rare set be commonplace.
I love the colorway, I love the set, I respect the creator of the set but I would like to see another round of this set. I am trying to make that happen with GMK Solarized. If you are interested in this set please let me know via this Strawpoll (http://www.strawpoll.me/10827679/).
(http://i.imgur.com/uCNDFV4.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/RMIyJQe.png)
As a note, the alphas on the render should be a little bit more yellow. Better renders will come, that will be further down the line if there is enough interest.
Post by: WOMBO on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:16:45
Post by: kenmai9 on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:19:46
where's my popcorn
(http://img.michaeljacksonspictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/popcorn-blank.gif)
also,
interested
Post by: Proyoyo on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:22:03
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:23:07
Personally a butter lovers person right here. I like it with extra salt.
(http://s3-media4.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/UIQUAU0DoxBFpjhdCS4W7A/o.jpg)
Post by: kenmai9 on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:27:41
Post by: Glenmael on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:27:51
Post by: honeynugget on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:35:23
Post by: neralo on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:36:46
Post by: Shikarikato on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:37:45
personally the appeal of penumbra was the first good looking SA set ive seen
Post by: WOMBO on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:41:47
Post by: ryptide11 on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:42:24
Post by: nugglets on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:43:06
I brought enough for everyone.
Post by: Cerasis on Sun, 24 July 2016, 23:43:22
I'm interested, and would gladly buy one if my wallet permits :p
Post by: shower_king on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:15:00
GMK has updated their color card, which have 3 yellows. they are all lighter even illustrious than the yellow in this mock-up.
Ofcoure i am fond of this colorway and the yellow. What i could depict this yellow is cream ,soft and tantalizingly charming yellow.
looking forward to your update.
Post by: canigetanipa on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:15:38
Post by: MkLovin on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:17:23
which lay-out and Mod do you want to make it? just TKL without numpad and Mod?
GMK has updated their color card, which have 3 yellows. they are all lighter even illustrious than the yellow in this mock-up.
Ofcoure i am fond of this colorway and the yellow. What i could depict this yellow is cream ,soft and tantalizingly charming yellow.
looking forward to your update.
I am not sure what the base kit will be but I am going to try to make it the most economical. TKL is likely however, I am not too sure. The colorway is going to be completely custom through GMK. Carbon did it and the set is wildly popular, I am hoping for a similar result. The yellow will be the original yellow, no need to fear!
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:18:33
The colours are being matched now, it's being produced at the end of august and will be for sale as soon as it arrives
That would have been known if you had the courtesy to contact me
Post by: MkLovin on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:20:48
This set is already happening with gmk
The colours are being matched now, it's being produced at the end of august and will be for sale as soon as it arrives
That would have been known if you had the courtesy to contact me
Proof?
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:21:21
This set is already happening with gmk
The colours are being matched now, it's being produced at the end of august and will be for sale as soon as it arrives
That would have been known if you had the courtesy to contact me
Proof?
Bless
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Post by: weifanwang on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:22:27
Post by: Fetty AWP on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:24:28
Post by: canigetanipa on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:27:05
Post by: KyleZhuang on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:27:27
This set is already happening with gmkIS THAT REAL??? If so, I'll definitely get one.
The colours are being matched now, it's being produced at the end of august and will be for sale as soon as it arrives
That would have been known if you had the courtesy to contact me
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:29:32
This set is already happening with gmkIS THAT REAL??? If so, I'll definitely get one.
The colours are being matched now, it's being produced at the end of august and will be for sale as soon as it arrives
That would have been known if you had the courtesy to contact me
It is indeed
Post by: commandlinedesign on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:29:55
This set is already happening with gmk
The colours are being matched now, it's being produced at the end of august and will be for sale as soon as it arrives
That would have been known if you had the courtesy to contact me
Proof?
Bless
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Just curious why someone would need to contact you to use the Solarized color scheme?
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:32:06
This set is already happening with gmk
The colours are being matched now, it's being produced at the end of august and will be for sale as soon as it arrives
That would have been known if you had the courtesy to contact me
Proof?
Bless
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Just curious why someone would need to contact you to use the Solarized color scheme?
I never said they had to, I said if he had the courtesy to contact me he would have known this was already happening
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Post by: kaeeeede on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:34:09
This set is already happening with gmkIS THAT REAL??? If so, I'll definitely get one.
The colours are being matched now, it's being produced at the end of august and will be for sale as soon as it arrives
That would have been known if you had the courtesy to contact me
It's a little hard to believe since Carbon won't ship until October and this is the first announcement of a GMK Penumbra set at all. Still no buy period, let alone an interest check for it.
Post by: VereChi on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:35:12
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:37:00
Not sure how carbon affects it, your gonna see another gmk set we are involved with long before you see carbon, and you haven't seen an interest check or buy period from that either
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Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:38:02
Bunny get your toxic groupbuy finished first.
These gmk sets are part of a deal with another party, backing the money and providing fulfilment and giving us a percentage which will be used to do that very thing
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Post by: commandlinedesign on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:38:14
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:39:53
Right, but from my perspective it's odd because it would never occur to me to contact someone before using Solarized in a project. Given that there's no interest check or teaser for a Solarized GMK set anywhere, and there seems to be a ton of interest, why would you expect to be contacted first?
I never said I expected to, I said if he had the courtesy to, given that I had originally run the set, he would have known about my plans and not wasted his time
Post by: weifanwang on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:40:27
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:41:34
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
Post by: Chedda7 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:42:15
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:43:11
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
500 initially
Post by: commandlinedesign on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:43:48
I never run an interest check
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49634.0
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:45:18
I never run an interest check
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49634.0
What's your poiny, that's not my interest check
Post by: Chedda7 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:45:35
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
500 initially
Someone put up $50k+ for a set that was never gauged for interest against the community? I mean it's obvious folks want it but that seems....unwise.
Post by: Shikarikato on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:46:22
is there a settled price?when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
Post by: switchnollie on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:47:35
Someone put up $50k+ for a set that was never gauged for interest against the community? I mean it's obvious folks want it but that seems....unwise.
Power Moves
Post by: MkLovin on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:48:31
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
500 initially
I will gladly back down if you can prove anything is happening on your end.
Post by: commandlinedesign on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:51:04
I never run an interest check
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49634.0
What's your poiny, that's not my interest check
Point is, there was an interest check for the original Penumbra. Just because you didn't make the thread doesn't really make this conveniently timed announcement of Penumbra GMK less unusual.
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:53:38
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
500 initially
I will gladly back down if you can prove anything is happening on your end.
I have no need to send you any proof, I'm trying to do you a favour to save you wasting any more time
However if proof is that important to you, I'd be prepared to share it with a member of the moderation team for you to confirm with
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:54:44
I never run an interest check
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49634.0
What's your poiny, that's not my interest check
Point is, there was an interest check for the original Penumbra. Just because you didn't make the thread doesn't really make this conveniently timed announcement of Penumbra GMK less unusual.
There is no convenient time, this is an inconvenience to everyone, including me wasting my time replying and justifying myself to you
Post by: inosint on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:58:10
Thanks bunny, this is exciting news about a set it seems many are passionate about getting.when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ?
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
500 initially
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:59:31
Thanks bunny, this is exciting news about a set it seems many are passionate about getting.when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ?
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
500 initially
Thanks sir it's part of a long and pretty large deal with another vendor that will mean exciting things to come, that will both fix the old issues ctrl alt has financially and push what we are doing in to the future
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:00:51
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:04:53
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
What are the odds of it having the whiter alphas? I know solarized would be more yellow, but damn did Penumbra ever look nice with white alphas. <3
Post by: jorgenslee on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:04:59
Post by: MkLovin on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:07:52
I hope the said vendor would sell it on a competitive price. If not, I would gladly support this IC and be run on massdrop to achieve that same price on GMK Carbon. I've been using solarized colorway on my favorite IDE for years now. Hope I could see it sooner. :)
That is the plan!
Post by: WOMBO on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:11:40
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
What are the odds of it having the whiter alphas? I know solarized would be more yellow, but damn did Penumbra ever look nice with white alphas. <3
that would be so amazing. definitely in for that if possible.
Post by: MkLovin on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:12:55
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
What are the odds of it having the whiter alphas? I know solarized would be more yellow, but damn did Penumbra ever look nice with white alphas. <3
that would be so amazing. definitely in for that if possible.
To answer your question, yes the render isn't accurate. The alphas will be yellow like the OG set. Don't worry. Not sure if there will be a set for the white alphas yet, will keep you updated.
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:15:29
As the information involved is sensitive we would rather share it with a mod than some random guy
Post by: byker on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:18:28
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
500 initially
I will gladly back down if you can prove anything is happening on your end.
I have no need to send you any proof, I'm trying to do you a favour to save you wasting any more time
However if proof is that important to you, I'd be prepared to share it with a member of the moderation team for you to confirm with
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
Post by: jorgenslee on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:18:38
As this guy stated, he will be stopping his plans as proof is being provided to him via a moderator shortly who is speaking to both myself and the vendor involved now
As the information involved is sensitive we would rather share it with a mod than some random guy
Hi Bunny, do you have a ballpark figure for the selling price?
Regards
Post by: WOMBO on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:20:48
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:22:04
just curious, is that vendor originative or mechkb.com?
That info is not public yet which is why we didn't wanna share it with some guy with 9 posts and instead did so with a mod
Post by: MkLovin on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:22:43
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
500 initially
I will gladly back down if you can prove anything is happening on your end.
I have no need to send you any proof, I'm trying to do you a favour to save you wasting any more time
However if proof is that important to you, I'd be prepared to share it with a member of the moderation team for you to confirm with
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Post by: baldgye on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:23:12
just curious, is that vendor originative or mechkb.com?
That info is not public yet which is why we didn't wanna share it with some guy with 9 posts and instead did so with a mod
Hey man he has 11 posts now!
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:24:58
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
500 initially
I will gladly back down if you can prove anything is happening on your end.
I have no need to send you any proof, I'm trying to do you a favour to save you wasting any more time
However if proof is that important to you, I'd be prepared to share it with a member of the moderation team for you to confirm with
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
I'm sure you would, but as mentioned that information isn't public yet and we have no way of knowing if you would share it, the evidence shown in this thread suggests you wouldn't treat it with the proper respect so it went to a moderator who was online
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:30:00
Quote
I'm sure you would, but as mentioned that information isn't public yet and we have no way of knowing if you would share it, the evidence shown in this thread suggests you wouldn't treat it with the proper respect so it went to a moderator who was online
"Here's some proof but not really"
Post by: Shikarikato on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:31:20
well he eats socks so that should legitimize his potentiality of being a GB leaderjust curious, is that vendor originative or mechkb.com?
That info is not public yet which is why we didn't wanna share it with some guy with 9 posts and instead did so with a mod
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:34:48
Assuming everything is as it has been stated, the set Bunny is talking about will likely show up before this set gets off the ground, simply because of the GMK production queue if nothing else. I don't see how anyone loses anything by watching and waiting for a bit. If you're not happy with what comes out, why not launch the IC after you know what you're competing with?
Post by: MkLovin on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:35:27
well he eats socks so that should legitimize his potentiality of being a GB leaderjust curious, is that vendor originative or mechkb.com?
That info is not public yet which is why we didn't wanna share it with some guy with 9 posts and instead did so with a mod
At least you know I deliver ;)
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:37:01
If you want a second person to confirm, I'd be happy to do so.
Assuming everything is as it has been stated, the set Bunny is talking about will likely show up before this set gets off the ground, simply because of the GMK production queue if nothing else. I don't see how anyone loses anything by watching and waiting for a bit. If you're not happy with what comes out, why not launch the IC after you know what you're competing with?
I'm happy for byker to share the information with you if you would like to confirm
Post by: byker on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:37:06
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:41:26
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Issues taking the word of someone who barely fulfills orders, and in no timely fashion? I wonder why..
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:44:38
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Issues taking the word of someone who barely fulfills orders, and in no timely fashion? I wonder why..
Fulfilled 13000 orders since Jan 2015, got about 70 outstanding old ones and about 30 outstanding hyperfuse
This set is part of a fundraising effort to fix toxic
To fix what we had on hand we have just switched the person shipping and it's rolling out
Get your facts straight before talking ****
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:49:17
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Issues taking the word of someone who barely fulfills orders, and in no timely fashion? I wonder why..
Fulfilled 13000 orders since Jan 2015, got about 70 outstanding old ones and about 30 outstanding hyperfuse
This set is part of a fundraising effort to fix toxic
To fix what we had on hand we have just switched the person shipping and it's rolling out
Get your facts straight before talking ****
You know you've bitten off more than you can chew when you need to start a buy to fulfill an already delayed buy. I love how you say that like it's something even remotely reasonable. "Hey, give us more money because we ****ed up with your money last time" - Bunny 2016
Post by: byker on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:49:49
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Issues taking the word of someone who barely fulfills orders, and in no timely fashion? I wonder why..
I meant trusting my word.
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:51:17
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Issues taking the word of someone who barely fulfills orders, and in no timely fashion? I wonder why..
Fulfilled 13000 orders since Jan 2015, got about 70 outstanding old ones and about 30 outstanding hyperfuse
This set is part of a fundraising effort to fix toxic
To fix what we had on hand we have just switched the person shipping and it's rolling out
Get your facts straight before talking ****
You know you've bitten off more than you can chew when you need to start a buy to fulfill an already delayed buy. I love how you say that like it's something even remotely reasonable. "Hey, give us more money because we ****ed up with your money last time" - Bunny 2016
Someone has a little issue reading, and zero comprehension of the events that occurred
Post by: commandlinedesign on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:52:00
Delay Toxic, Penumbra, Hyperfuse for 2 years & JTK Debut + JTK Sophomore for a few months? Shame on you.
Post by: kaeeeede on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:52:14
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Issues taking the word of someone who barely fulfills orders, and in no timely fashion? I wonder why..
Fulfilled 13000 orders since Jan 2015, got about 70 outstanding old ones and about 30 outstanding hyperfuse
This set is part of a fundraising effort to fix toxic
To fix what we had on hand we have just switched the person shipping and it's rolling out
Get your facts straight before talking ****
Why not fulfill those 100 outstanding orders before spending tens of thousands of dollars on 500 sets of this GMK Penumbra, not even running it as a GB? I really don't see how that helps the problem.
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:53:11
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Issues taking the word of someone who barely fulfills orders, and in no timely fashion? I wonder why..
Fulfilled 13000 orders since Jan 2015, got about 70 outstanding old ones and about 30 outstanding hyperfuse
This set is part of a fundraising effort to fix toxic
To fix what we had on hand we have just switched the person shipping and it's rolling out
Get your facts straight before talking ****
Why not fulfill those 100 outstanding orders before spending tens of thousands of dollars on 500 sets of this GMK Penumbra, not even running it as a GB? I really don't see how that helps the problem.
Maybe read what has been said, and stop making up rubbish
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:53:19
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Issues taking the word of someone who barely fulfills orders, and in no timely fashion? I wonder why..
Fulfilled 13000 orders since Jan 2015, got about 70 outstanding old ones and about 30 outstanding hyperfuse
This set is part of a fundraising effort to fix toxic
To fix what we had on hand we have just switched the person shipping and it's rolling out
Get your facts straight before talking ****
Why not fulfill those 100 outstanding orders before spending tens of thousands of dollars on 500 sets of this GMK Penumbra, not even running it as a GB? I really don't see how that helps the problem.
Shhh, that'd make too much sense.
Post by: neralo on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:54:03
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Issues taking the word of someone who barely fulfills orders, and in no timely fashion? I wonder why..
Fulfilled 13000 orders since Jan 2015, got about 70 outstanding old ones and about 30 outstanding hyperfuse
This set is part of a fundraising effort to fix toxic
To fix what we had on hand we have just switched the person shipping and it's rolling out
Get your facts straight before talking ****
You know you've bitten off more than you can chew when you need to start a buy to fulfill an already delayed buy. I love how you say that like it's something even remotely reasonable. "Hey, give us more money because we ****ed up with your money last time" - Bunny 2016
Someone has a little issue reading, and zero comprehension of the events that occurred
is that someone you?
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:54:17
I received a message from the vendor confirming this
I would love to see said message from the vendor, feel free to PM me! I understand it is sensitive.
Not sure why you have these trust issues, but I was asked not to share it the vendor, so I won't share the vendor.
Issues taking the word of someone who barely fulfills orders, and in no timely fashion? I wonder why..
Fulfilled 13000 orders since Jan 2015, got about 70 outstanding old ones and about 30 outstanding hyperfuse
This set is part of a fundraising effort to fix toxic
To fix what we had on hand we have just switched the person shipping and it's rolling out
Get your facts straight before talking ****
Why not fulfill those 100 outstanding orders before spending tens of thousands of dollars on 500 sets of this GMK Penumbra, not even running it as a GB? I really don't see how that helps the problem.
Shhh, that'd make too much sense.
Again, read what has been said, stop making up a completely fictitious version of events to support your internet bullying warrior argument
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 01:57:49
Another vendor is running some of ctrl alts sets through gmk currently, they are buying them outright and selling them once on hand and giving us a cut of the profits, this money will be used to fix the outstanding old stuff we have while not taking time away from.fullfilling that, this is a positive step to fix a **** situation we were left in by someone else
Apparently what these people want above is for me to dump the old orders and just leave and hide, rather than stay and make progressive steps to fix them
Post by: canigetanipa on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:00:17
(http://i.imgur.com/LKLzepM.jpg)
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:04:01
Yes, there were mistakes made in the handling of some past buys. And they're trying to make it right. All any one individual can do is make their own decisions with their own money.
At the same time, nobody is obligated to wait on moving forward with an IC just because a similar set is in production. There's nothing inherently wrong with this IC.
What's not okay is spewing anger back and forth and going off topic. This isn't an appropriate place to be complaining about ctrl[alt] -- this isn't their set and it isn't their thread. If you don't want to support ctrl[alt] for whatever reason, you can pledge your support here, but there's no need for going after Bunny and the rest of them. Let's not take this thread any further away from the Solarized IC. Any further off-topic posts or personal attacks will be removed.
Post by: MkLovin on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:04:32
All I have to say is Solarize me! Actually really psyched about how nice the GMK profile will look.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LKLzepM.jpg)
Got you fam
Post by: kaeeeede on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:08:21
I'd like to ask everyone in this thread (on both sides of the issue) to take a breather.
Yes, there were mistakes made in the handling of some past buys. And they're trying to make it right. All any one individual can do is make their own decisions with their own money.
At the same time, nobody is obligated to wait on moving forward with an IC just because a similar set is in production. There's nothing inherently wrong with this IC.
What's not okay is spewing anger back and forth and going off topic. This isn't an appropriate place to be complaining about ctrl[alt] -- this isn't their set and it isn't their thread. If you don't want to support ctrl[alt] for whatever reason, you can pledge your support here, but there's no need for going after Bunny and the rest of them. Let's not take this thread any further away from the Solarized IC. Any further off-topic posts or personal attacks will be removed.
Should their posts be removed from the thread then, since they would be pretty off topic to the point of even stealing potential customers?
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:11:41
I'd like to ask everyone in this thread (on both sides of the issue) to take a breather.
Yes, there were mistakes made in the handling of some past buys. And they're trying to make it right. All any one individual can do is make their own decisions with their own money.
At the same time, nobody is obligated to wait on moving forward with an IC just because a similar set is in production. There's nothing inherently wrong with this IC.
What's not okay is spewing anger back and forth and going off topic. This isn't an appropriate place to be complaining about ctrl[alt] -- this isn't their set and it isn't their thread. If you don't want to support ctrl[alt] for whatever reason, you can pledge your support here, but there's no need for going after Bunny and the rest of them. Let's not take this thread any further away from the Solarized IC. Any further off-topic posts or personal attacks will be removed.
Should their posts be removed from the thread then, since they would be pretty off topic to the point of even stealing potential customers?
No, saying there may be a similar set in the works is relevant information. I also think it's important to leave some of the context surrounding it, so people can make their own decision on who to support. The problem is when it stops being about the set and starts becoming about the issues that people have with each other. It's fine to have those conversations (so long as you aren't breaking TOS), but this thread isn't the appropriate place for them.
Post by: Pliny on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:14:28
Just sayin'... :(
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:16:47
Between this thread's "progression" and the "GMK Toxic" IC a couple a threads over, kinda feels like an ambush of Monsieur Lake.
Just sayin'... :(
i havent posted a word in the toxic gmk thread
i have no plans with gmk toxic, i didnt ambush this thread either, i came in to politely say this is already happening to save someone wasting their time and then had a bunch of gh historians with 10 posts attack me
Post by: 27 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:30:26
Between this thread's "progression" and the "GMK Toxic" IC a couple a threads over, kinda feels like an ambush of Monsieur Lake.
Just sayin'... :(
i havent posted a word in the toxic gmk thread
i have no plans with gmk toxic, i didnt ambush this thread either, i came in to politely say this is already happening to save someone wasting their time and then had a bunch of gh historians with 10 posts attack me
Being asked for proof and responding with "Bless" isn't exactly polite....
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:33:16
Between this thread's "progression" and the "GMK Toxic" IC a couple a threads over, kinda feels like an ambush of Monsieur Lake.
Just sayin'... :(
i havent posted a word in the toxic gmk thread
i have no plans with gmk toxic, i didnt ambush this thread either, i came in to politely say this is already happening to save someone wasting their time and then had a bunch of gh historians with 10 posts attack me
Being asked for proof and responding with "Bless" isn't exactly polite....
i agree i just found it a laughable response, however after thinking about it i decided to provide proof, the mods received it and relayed it here and he didnt care or stand by his word so what was the point
i shouldnt need to provide proof but did anyway, at no point did i come in here and say you cant do this, i was trying to save the guy some time
if his motivation was to get this set made, then its happening, clearly that isnt his motivation
Post by: Pliny on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:44:55
Between this thread's "progression" and the "GMK Toxic" IC a couple a threads over, kinda feels like an ambush of Monsieur Lake.
Just sayin'... :(
i havent posted a word in the toxic gmk thread
i have no plans with gmk toxic, i didnt ambush this thread either, i came in to politely say this is already happening to save someone wasting their time and then had a bunch of gh historians with 10 posts attack me
Meant you were da **ambushee**
I not good with the wordating of the phrasations :D
Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 25 July 2016, 02:56:19
Post by: baldgye on Mon, 25 July 2016, 03:10:41
seems legit
Post by: Ryukuxyz on Mon, 25 July 2016, 03:14:27
baldgye, solitary1212, commandlinedesign, MkLovin, Gajible, jchan94, ceflame, Scalarmotion, Geckt, dfrib, Ryukuxyz, shibataken, ultraidiot, ruiqimao, y2bd, Butter, sircheddar, Drippy, ba7777, skullydazed, koops, shower_king, clacktalk, edel781, nogo1557, GreyAmbience, kaeeeede, JorisBoers, LeoChien, Proyoyo, Glenmael, Purp, Cerasis, skaloola, Chedda7, KyleZhuang, HTN47, Undone, Gandhi (+ 5 Hidden) and 37 Guests are viewing this topic.
seems legit
Sup.
Post by: shower_king on Mon, 25 July 2016, 03:14:53
His reminder of that prevent me from doing more unnecessary things.although i have found two cream yellow approaching to this set in my perspective. :p
(http://i2.piimg.com/567571/e0d95f5a1507ad28.png)
2,The color-way of penumbra in SA has been first arranged by bunny , even there is no color-way copyright protection. It would be better show respect and pm to let bunny know that re-arrangement or rather similar color-arrangement will be launched in new GB.
3, Some unfulfillment happens in bunny's last GBs, however, he is a reliant GB starter for me and the motivation that in this IC is proof itself
4, GMK penumbra or GMK solarizd , will sold at some time if at an acceptable markup , i could afford them ,i def in .
Post by: sircheddar on Mon, 25 July 2016, 03:39:03
baldgye, solitary1212, commandlinedesign, MkLovin, Gajible, jchan94, ceflame, Scalarmotion, Geckt, dfrib, Ryukuxyz, shibataken, ultraidiot, ruiqimao, y2bd, Butter, sircheddar, Drippy, ba7777, skullydazed, koops, shower_king, clacktalk, edel781, nogo1557, GreyAmbience, kaeeeede, JorisBoers, LeoChien, Proyoyo, Glenmael, Purp, Cerasis, skaloola, Chedda7, KyleZhuang, HTN47, Undone, Gandhi (+ 5 Hidden) and 37 Guests are viewing this topic.
seems legit
im famous!
Post by: KyleZhuang on Mon, 25 July 2016, 04:14:50
Post by: xondat on Mon, 25 July 2016, 05:31:42
More
/s
I'm actually very happy to see what Ctrl Alt are doing, and I have the utmost trust in them. Bunny and others that run Ctrl Alt are amongst some of the people I trust the most to run anything now.
I'm actually very happy to see what Ctrl Alt are doing, and I have the utmost trust in them. Bunny and others that run Ctrl Alt are amongst some of the people I trust the most to run anything now.
Post by: ntw on Mon, 25 July 2016, 06:29:06
and interested too
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 25 July 2016, 06:35:20
Post by: q1w2e3r4t5z on Mon, 25 July 2016, 06:53:47
This set is already happening with gmkSo shipping will be, like, 2019 then?
The colours are being matched now, it's being produced at the end of august and will be for sale as soon as it arrives
That would have been known if you had the courtesy to contact me
Post by: jchan94 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 06:58:16
It is not easy being a GB leader. In fact, a lot of GBs tend to lose money. One of the main reasons for doing a followup GB is to help fix the damage the last one caused, and while I don't agree with this method personally, I can see the reason why it is done. With that said, Bunnylake, thanks for taking the time to run very low cost GB for the community. It's astounding to have 13000+ shipments sent out since 2015. In fact, I wonder how you even sleep.
I hope that at the end of the day, we can just talk about making cool things, having nice keyboards, and even happier fingers.
Post by: Data on Mon, 25 July 2016, 07:00:38
Because of a couple of trolls I'll lay out very clearly what is happening
Another vendor is running some of ctrl alts sets through gmk currently, they are buying them outright and selling them once on hand and giving us a cut of the profits, this money will be used to fix the outstanding old stuff we have while not taking time away from.fullfilling that, this is a positive step to fix a **** situation we were left in by someone else
Apparently what these people want above is for me to dump the old orders and just leave and hide, rather than stay and make progressive steps to fix them
I clearly see what you're doing (even without this explanation) and, as a Toxic GB participant, I appreciate that you've taken these steps to get everything in order. Thank you.
I would have preferred to read about your plans in the Toxic thread... but beggars can't be choosers I suppose.
(http://i.imgur.com/o51v9SV.png)
Post by: Jokrik on Mon, 25 July 2016, 07:03:38
So shipping will be, like, 2019 then?
being sarcastic darling? :)
well, at least I'm here long enough to know how happy I am with ctrl alt
and man... this ruined the surprise as swimmingbird said
More
(https://openclipart.org/image/2400px/svg_to_png/222252/feels.png)
Post by: Data on Mon, 25 July 2016, 07:07:34
So shipping will be, like, 2019 then?
being sarcastic darling? :)
well, at least I'm here long enough to know how happy I am with ctrl alt
and man... this ruined the surprise as swimmingbird saidMoreShow Image(https://openclipart.org/image/2400px/svg_to_png/222252/feels.png)
We're way past the point of surprises being appropriate when it comes to long-overdue group buys. If it's related to completing fulfillment on Toxic and [whatever the other one is, I'm not a participant] then it should be front and center, all day, every day, until those buys are complete. Surprises take a back seat.
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 07:10:23
Because of a couple of trolls I'll lay out very clearly what is happening
Another vendor is running some of ctrl alts sets through gmk currently, they are buying them outright and selling them once on hand and giving us a cut of the profits, this money will be used to fix the outstanding old stuff we have while not taking time away from.fullfilling that, this is a positive step to fix a **** situation we were left in by someone else
Apparently what these people want above is for me to dump the old orders and just leave and hide, rather than stay and make progressive steps to fix them
I clearly see what you're doing (even without this explanation) and, as a Toxic GB participant, I appreciate that you've taken these steps to get everything in order. Thank you.
I would have preferred to read about your plans in the Toxic thread... but beggars can't be choosers I suppose.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o51v9SV.png)
Sorry data the thread forced my hand in the announcement
This isn't how we wanted to release this information and there is much more to come.we will be releasing shortly
We have been concentrating on fixing what we can so we have a clean slate to work on the replacements when they come in
Appreciate the understanding from someone involved rather than the bull**** comments from people who from what I can see just make stuff up about me to fit their argument, they didn't even take the time to read my posts in this thread, let alone the history behind their accusations and assumptions
Post by: smart5088 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:12:38
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:21:05
If OP really just wants the set to happen, why would he be angry that someone else is volunteering to do the legwork for him? Why would someone argue to this extent in favor of shouldering the burden of a group buy? Not to mention that someone with so few posts would not be allowed to run a group buy in the first place, so he'd need to find someone to run it anyway.
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor? If someone came into an interest check thread and said "hey guys, this is actually definitely happening" two years ago, the community would thank them for making their dreams a reality. Why are you all complaining that the set is being made and you don't have to go through the wait of the interest check phase?
And who the hell cares about "proof" anyway? If it is all a big bluff, won't we find out when...it doesn't happen...? And what is possibly gained from lying about it? Again, this whole argument is so confusing...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:34:39
This whole thread is so confusing.
If OP really just wants the set to happen, why would he be angry that someone else is volunteering to do the legwork for him? Why would someone argue to this extent in favor of shouldering the burden of a group buy? Not to mention that someone with so few posts would not be allowed to run a group buy in the first place, so he'd need to find someone to run it anyway.
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor? If someone came into an interest check thread and said "hey guys, this is actually definitely happening" two years ago, the community would thank them for making their dreams a reality. Why are you all complaining that the set is being made and you don't have to go through the wait of the interest check phase?
And who the hell cares about "proof" anyway? If it is all a big bluff, won't we find out when...it doesn't happen...? And what is possibly gained from lying about it? Again, this whole argument is so confusing...
Some people just want to watch the world burn. :eek:
:spam:
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:36:31
(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
Original GMK Carbon render, color swapped by OP.
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:39:34
Post by: NAV on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:44:29
So let me get this straight, OP. Nothing against you, but you took the liberty to use the official GMK Carbon group buy render (that you didn't make) to promote an idea that you also didn't create, without even contacting who's responsible for both the original render and keycap set idea in the first place? I'm going to break it down for you right now; do not count on big vendors to support you and order, sort and ship this keycap set for you. I'll repeat; do not count on a big vendor backing you up by sorting and shipping this for you. It won't happen. This similar kind of behavior ruined other surprise announcements in the past and I find pretty bummer that it happened again. The problem with you guys is that you can't wait, instant gratification mentality taking place once again. But since you're here anyway I recommend you to focus on creating your own keycap set, stop replicating somebody else's idea & work and finding people to back you up. Good luck with that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
Original GMK Carbon render, color swapped by OP.
Um, while I'm firmly on Bunny's side for this particular instance, why do people need to wait for already-established vendors to make a round 2 of an established colorway, if it's been over two years since that colorway was released? Just because Bunny had planned it doesn't mean ctrlalt had announced it in any way. Why would a person be wrong for trying to revive a two year old colorway?
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:49:50
So let me get this straight, OP. Nothing against you, but you took the liberty to use the official GMK Carbon group buy render (that you didn't make) to promote an idea that you also didn't create, without even contacting who's responsible for both the original render and keycap set idea in the first place? I'm going to break it down for you right now; do not count on big vendors to support you and order, sort and ship this keycap set for you. I'll repeat; do not count on a big vendor backing you up by sorting and shipping this for you. It won't happen. This similar kind of behavior ruined other surprise announcements in the past and I find pretty bummer that it happened again. The problem with you guys is that you can't wait, instant gratification mentality taking place once again. But since you're here anyway I recommend you to focus on creating your own keycap set, stop replicating somebody else's idea & work and finding people to back you up. Good luck with that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
Original GMK Carbon render, color swapped by OP.
Um, while I'm firmly on Bunny's side for this particular instance, why do people need to wait for already-established vendors to make a round 2 of an established colorway, if it's been over two years since that colorway was released? Just because Bunny had planned it doesn't mean ctrlalt had announced it in any way. Why would a person be wrong for trying to revive a two year old colorway?
It's about showing each other in the community mutual respect, ownership issues aside, first and foremost there should be communication between each other
In an ideal world people should come up with their own ideas and put them forward, but in an instance of reviving or revisiting old projects, the first point of contact should be discussing it with people previously involved
Whether you respect their wishes or not afterwards and how that should be handled is a matter of debate, but courtesy should be shown for people who previously invested time or money in to something
We are a small.community who should be supporting each other, and working together to make things happen, not fighting
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:50:16
Post by: NAV on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:53:28
So let me get this straight, OP. Nothing against you, but you took the liberty to use the official GMK Carbon group buy render (that you didn't make) to promote an idea that you also didn't create, without even contacting who's responsible for both the original render and keycap set idea in the first place? I'm going to break it down for you right now; do not count on big vendors to support you and order, sort and ship this keycap set for you. I'll repeat; do not count on a big vendor backing you up by sorting and shipping this for you. It won't happen. This similar kind of behavior ruined other surprise announcements in the past and I find pretty bummer that it happened again. The problem with you guys is that you can't wait, instant gratification mentality taking place once again. But since you're here anyway I recommend you to focus on creating your own keycap set, stop replicating somebody else's idea & work and finding people to back you up. Good luck with that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
Original GMK Carbon render, color swapped by OP.
Um, while I'm firmly on Bunny's side for this particular instance, why do people need to wait for already-established vendors to make a round 2 of an established colorway, if it's been over two years since that colorway was released? Just because Bunny had planned it doesn't mean ctrlalt had announced it in any way. Why would a person be wrong for trying to revive a two year old colorway?
It's about showing each other in the community mutual respect, ownership issues aside, first and foremost there should be communication between each other
In an ideal world people should come up with their own ideas and put them forward, but in an instance of reviving or revisiting old projects, the first point of contact should be discussing it with people previously involved
Whether you respect their wishes or not afterwards and how that should be handled is a matter of debate, but courtesy should be shown for people who previously invested time or money in to something
We are a small.community who should be supporting each other, and working together to make things happen, not fighting
Agreed :)
I'm actually really glad that this community promotes respectfulness over a full free market
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:53:47
Post by: xondat on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:58:10
Can we get nipples on F and J?You first.
Post by: KlarKuo on Mon, 25 July 2016, 08:59:07
Agreed :)
I'm actually really glad that this community promotes respectfulness over a full free market
Thank god it does
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 25 July 2016, 09:02:27
So let me get this straight, OP. Nothing against you, but you took the liberty to use the official GMK Carbon group buy render (that you didn't make) to promote an idea that you also didn't create, without even contacting who's responsible for both the original render and keycap set idea in the first place? I'm going to break it down for you right now; do not count on big vendors to support you and order, sort and ship this keycap set for you. I'll repeat; do not count on a big vendor backing you up by sorting and shipping this for you. It won't happen. This similar kind of behavior ruined other surprise announcements in the past and I find pretty bummer that it happened again. The problem with you guys is that you can't wait, instant gratification mentality taking place once again. But since you're here anyway I recommend you to focus on creating your own keycap set, stop replicating somebody else's idea & work and finding people to back you up. Good luck with that.I saw this IC pop up over at Reddit and I already had a feeling a thread like this would be here.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
Original GMK Carbon render, color swapped by OP.
It did remind me of the beauty that is the original SA set but I am on Bunny's side on this issue. It would have been polite to ask and save yourself some time. But since we are here now anyway and seeing the OP respond in such a way has left me feeling hesitant on joining this particular IC/GB.
Couple that with some renders that were changed without asking (even though most times these are posted with a thank you note) means McLovin won't be getting my money.
Good luck on whatever you choose to do. But try to learn from this.
Post by: kernel on Mon, 25 July 2016, 09:42:31
Post by: Hispes on Mon, 25 July 2016, 09:44:09
Can we get nipples on F and J?You first.
I like where this is headed!
Post by: cmd on Mon, 25 July 2016, 09:44:55
So let me get this straight, OP. Nothing against you, but you took the liberty to use the official GMK Carbon group buy render (that you didn't make) to promote an idea that you also didn't create, without even contacting who's responsible for both the original render and keycap set idea in the first place? I'm going to break it down for you right now; do not count on big vendors to support you and order, sort and ship this keycap set for you. I'll repeat; do not count on a big vendor backing you up by sorting and shipping this for you. It won't happen. This similar kind of behavior ruined other surprise announcements in the past and I find pretty bummer that it happened again. The problem with you guys is that you can't wait, instant gratification mentality taking place once again. But since you're here anyway I recommend you to focus on creating your own keycap set, stop replicating somebody else's idea & work and finding people to back you up. Good luck with that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
Original GMK Carbon render, color swapped by OP.
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Post by: Data on Mon, 25 July 2016, 10:19:17
So let me get this straight, OP. Nothing against you, but you took the liberty to use the official GMK Carbon group buy render (that you didn't make) to promote an idea that you also didn't create, without even contacting who's responsible for both the original render and keycap set idea in the first place? I'm going to break it down for you right now; do not count on big vendors to support you and order, sort and ship this keycap set for you. I'll repeat; do not count on a big vendor backing you up by sorting and shipping this for you. It won't happen. This similar kind of behavior ruined other surprise announcements in the past and I find pretty bummer that it happened again. The problem with you guys is that you can't wait, instant gratification mentality taking place once again. But since you're here anyway I recommend you to focus on creating your own keycap set, stop replicating somebody else's idea & work and finding people to back you up. Good luck with that.I saw this IC pop up over at Reddit and I already had a feeling a thread like this would be here.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
Original GMK Carbon render, color swapped by OP.
It did remind me of the beauty that is the original SA set but I am on Bunny's side on this issue. It would have been polite to ask and save yourself some time. But since we are here now anyway and seeing the OP respond in such a way has left me feeling hesitant on joining this particular IC/GB.
Couple that with some renders that were changed without asking (even though most times these are posted with a thank you note) means McLovin won't be getting my money.
Good luck on whatever you choose to do. But try to learn from this.
It's not only polite -- I don't expect a new account to know the nuances of GeekHack culture, customs, and courtesies.
It's just logical. It just makes cold, calculated sense to reach out to the guy who made the set originally and ask him if he's thought about running it again. He might even be willing to help you. There is nothing to lose and everything to gain by checking with the creator first.
I have to echo Hoffman's confusion.
Post by: nogo1557 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 10:45:25
you took the liberty to use the official GMK Carbon group buy render (that you didn't make) to promote an idea that you also didn't create, without even contacting who's responsible for both the original render
Hmmmm................
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 25 July 2016, 10:54:13
when and where can buy GMK Penumbra ? :p :p :p
It'll be sold through a large vendor who is part of gh and promoted through ctrl alt shortly
How many sets?
500 initially
Hey bunny!
500 sets do not even cover the chinese demand. I expect the demand being around 3k. That small number may cause much heat in the community.
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 25 July 2016, 10:57:56
Because of a couple of trolls I'll lay out very clearly what is happening
Another vendor is running some of ctrl alts sets through gmk currently, they are buying them outright and selling them once on hand and giving us a cut of the profits, this money will be used to fix the outstanding old stuff we have while not taking time away from.fullfilling that, this is a positive step to fix a **** situation we were left in by someone else
Apparently what these people want above is for me to dump the old orders and just leave and hide, rather than stay and make progressive steps to fix them
Hey, thanks a lot for the clarification. However I am now unsure if that batch is the one you hinted at back a few months ago:
Once all the old stuff is out we will be running round 2, it'll be the final sp buy we ever do as I promised I would do it
It'll be an all in one set like hackd was
Or is that a different, upcoming buy for SA profile caps like the original was? Thanks!
PS: I'm new to the community, and the drama is a little concerning :rolleyes:
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 10:59:12
Because of a couple of trolls I'll lay out very clearly what is happening
Another vendor is running some of ctrl alts sets through gmk currently, they are buying them outright and selling them once on hand and giving us a cut of the profits, this money will be used to fix the outstanding old stuff we have while not taking time away from.fullfilling that, this is a positive step to fix a **** situation we were left in by someone else
Apparently what these people want above is for me to dump the old orders and just leave and hide, rather than stay and make progressive steps to fix them
Hey, thanks a lot for the clarification. However I am now unsure if that batch is the one you hinted at back a few months ago:Once all the old stuff is out we will be running round 2, it'll be the final sp buy we ever do as I promised I would do it
It'll be an all in one set like hackd was
Or is that a different, upcoming buy for SA profile caps like the original was? Thanks!
PS: I'm new to the community, and the drama is a little concerning :rolleyes:
Both are happening
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Post by: dgneo on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:01:37
PS: I'm new to the community, and the drama is a little concerning :rolleyes:
It's an ever growing presence, as of late.
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:03:38
Both are happening
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Great, thanks! I was wanting to go for the GMK Carbon as a lower profile and SA Penumbra as a high one, had there only been the the GMK Penumbra I'd have chose that one over Carbon
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:04:41
Both are happening
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Great, thanks! I was wanting to go for the GMK Carbon as a lower profile and SA Penumbra as a high one, had there only been the the GMK Penumbra I'd have chose that one over Carbon
I spoke to the guy doing carbon today, it's a great design and he seems a good dude so I reckon you made an excellent choice
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Post by: canigetanipa on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:08:04
Quote
Hey bunny!
500 sets do not even cover the chinese demand. I expect the demand being around 3k. That small number may cause much heat in the community.
Yeah a bit of my concern too how do we make sure we can get in on the list?
So it sounds like both GMK and SA profiles are happening now?
With GMK being late Aug and SA being around when?
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:08:51
PS: I'm new to the community, and the drama is a little concerning :rolleyes:
It's an ever growing presence, as of late.
As of forever it would seem. Between Ripster, Bro and Ivan, this community definitely thrives on drama.
Post by: q1w2e3r4t5z on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:14:40
True, we'll rely more on people like, let's say, Ivan then?
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor?
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:15:58
TIL Ivan was a vendor :confused:True, we'll rely more on people like, let's say, Ivan then?
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor?
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:21:17
TIL Ivan was a vendor :confused:True, we'll rely more on people like, let's say, Ivan then?
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor?
Shhh that point doesn't conveniently fit in with his argument
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Post by: Photekq on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:23:17
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor?Because he ate part of his sock :)) :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Should probably be able to handle the responsibility of a GB.
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:33:34
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor?Because he ate part of his sock :)) :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Should probably be able to handle the responsibility of a GB.
He's also a well respected community member in other areas of the community, but you're right, post count = trustworthyness. /s
Post by: meiosis on Mon, 25 July 2016, 11:50:11
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor?Because he ate part of his sock :)) :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Should probably be able to handle the responsibility of a GB.
He's also a well respected community member in other areas of the community, but you're right, post count = trustworthyness. /s
ivan and berserk ruined it all for me
Post by: Geckt on Mon, 25 July 2016, 12:04:56
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 25 July 2016, 12:07:48
So this will be a FCFS gb in gh only then?
I can't speak for op, but my version of this will be for sale on a vendors website and won't be exclusive to any platform
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Post by: repuls0r on Mon, 25 July 2016, 12:21:41
Post by: Geckt on Mon, 25 July 2016, 12:26:56
Since its 500sets, then i guess its going to be FCFS. Or FHFL(fast hand fast leg) is another way to put it.
Whichever way you see it as, I'd wait for Bunny to leak some info soon.
PS: try EBGW. I will give you credits if you can solve that one.
Post by: y2bd on Mon, 25 July 2016, 12:32:35
Every Body Gets wOne, right?Since its 500sets, then i guess its going to be FCFS. Or FHFL(fast hand fast leg) is another way to put it.
Whichever way you see it as, I'd wait for Bunny to leak some info soon.
PS: try EBGW. I will give you credits if you can solve that one.
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 12:40:38
Post by: Geckt on Mon, 25 July 2016, 12:42:47
Every Body Gets wOne, right?Since its 500sets, then i guess its going to be FCFS. Or FHFL(fast hand fast leg) is another way to put it.
Whichever way you see it as, I'd wait for Bunny to leak some info soon.
PS: try EBGW. I will give you credits if you can solve that one.
Not even close. But good try. ;D
Everyone But Geckt Wins :p
That's surprisingly fitting, but, nope. :rolleyes:
Post by: nugglets on Mon, 25 July 2016, 12:49:57
Every Body Gets wOne, right?Since its 500sets, then i guess its going to be FCFS. Or FHFL(fast hand fast leg) is another way to put it.
Whichever way you see it as, I'd wait for Bunny to leak some info soon.
PS: try EBGW. I will give you credits if you can solve that one.
Not even close. But good try. ;DEveryone But Geckt Wins :p
That's surprisingly fitting, but, nope. :rolleyes:
(http://strongautomotive.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/early-bird.ai_.png)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 25 July 2016, 13:13:32
I will definitely be backing this project as it is clearly based on demand, and will include input from those community members involved. I look forward to all the bickering to end, and design on this set to move forward
Post by: xondat on Mon, 25 July 2016, 13:17:12
i am having trouble understanding why Bunny would hop in this thread and try to derail this IC. If ctrl.alt has their own set in the works, great.He didn't try to derail. There is nothing to derail. It's been done already, no IC is needed.
The only thing that was derailed was their announcement which was spoilt by OP here.
Post by: WOMBO on Mon, 25 July 2016, 13:22:27
Every Body Gets wOne, right?Since its 500sets, then i guess its going to be FCFS. Or FHFL(fast hand fast leg) is another way to put it.
Whichever way you see it as, I'd wait for Bunny to leak some info soon.
PS: try EBGW. I will give you credits if you can solve that one.
Not even close. But good try. ;DEveryone But Geckt Wins :p
That's surprisingly fitting, but, nope. :rolleyes:Show Image(http://strongautomotive.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/early-bird.ai_.png)
this guy gets it
Post by: FLFisherman on Mon, 25 July 2016, 13:22:56
hai gais!
I saw you in Finding Dory.
More
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Post by: Geckt on Mon, 25 July 2016, 13:29:54
Every Body Gets wOne, right?Since its 500sets, then i guess its going to be FCFS. Or FHFL(fast hand fast leg) is another way to put it.
Whichever way you see it as, I'd wait for Bunny to leak some info soon.
PS: try EBGW. I will give you credits if you can solve that one.
Not even close. But good try. ;DEveryone But Geckt Wins :p
That's surprisingly fitting, but, nope. :rolleyes:Show Image(http://strongautomotive.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/early-bird.ai_.png)
this guy gets it
Yep, no prizes tho. :D
Post by: repuls0r on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:04:28
Everyone But Geckt Wins :p
haha.. good one
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:15:56
This whole thread is so confusing.
If OP really just wants the set to happen, why would he be angry that someone else is volunteering to do the legwork for him? Why would someone argue to this extent in favor of shouldering the burden of a group buy? Not to mention that someone with so few posts would not be allowed to run a group buy in the first place, so he'd need to find someone to run it anyway.
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor? If someone came into an interest check thread and said "hey guys, this is actually definitely happening" two years ago, the community would thank them for making their dreams a reality. Why are you all complaining that the set is being made and you don't have to go through the wait of the interest check phase?
And who the hell cares about "proof" anyway? If it is all a big bluff, won't we find out when...it doesn't happen...? And what is possibly gained from lying about it? Again, this whole argument is so confusing...
So much this. Someone will 11 posts asking for proof from someone with thousands of posts.... :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Post by: Malenky on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:23:43
Internet drama really isn't my thing, but there was clearly a pretty short discussion that could have happened to avoid all this. There is an issue with having a forum that is so transparent when it comes to business dealings. All you get to read about is what is unfulfilled or in some way incorrect. Out of the 99% of people that have received their sets on time, in perfect condition, maybe 5% of them will actually post something here to say so. I'd say it's more like 50% of the people that have an issue will be posting. This creates a situation where it looks much worse than it actually is.
Having a good enough knowledge of the market, and enough support from manufacturers and vendors to be able to get 500 sets produced to go straight for sale, is something that should not be taken lightly. I would rather trust that than a first time small group buy runner. This is not an attack on anyone, this is an objective viewpoint. Remember, this is how most business is run, you don't participate in an interest check for the shoes you wear, because the interest has already been previously gauged. Just like the interest for this has already been previously gauged.
Post by: meiosis on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:28:34
This whole thread is so confusing.
If OP really just wants the set to happen, why would he be angry that someone else is volunteering to do the legwork for him? Why would someone argue to this extent in favor of shouldering the burden of a group buy? Not to mention that someone with so few posts would not be allowed to run a group buy in the first place, so he'd need to find someone to run it anyway.
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor? If someone came into an interest check thread and said "hey guys, this is actually definitely happening" two years ago, the community would thank them for making their dreams a reality. Why are you all complaining that the set is being made and you don't have to go through the wait of the interest check phase?
And who the hell cares about "proof" anyway? If it is all a big bluff, won't we find out when...it doesn't happen...? And what is possibly gained from lying about it? Again, this whole argument is so confusing...
So much this. Someone will 11 posts asking for proof from someone with thousands of posts.... :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
There's plenty of people with thousands of posts and a short join date. Many of the most trust-able people on this forum I know have under 300 posts.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:34:16
This whole thread is so confusing.
If OP really just wants the set to happen, why would he be angry that someone else is volunteering to do the legwork for him? Why would someone argue to this extent in favor of shouldering the burden of a group buy? Not to mention that someone with so few posts would not be allowed to run a group buy in the first place, so he'd need to find someone to run it anyway.
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor? If someone came into an interest check thread and said "hey guys, this is actually definitely happening" two years ago, the community would thank them for making their dreams a reality. Why are you all complaining that the set is being made and you don't have to go through the wait of the interest check phase?
And who the hell cares about "proof" anyway? If it is all a big bluff, won't we find out when...it doesn't happen...? And what is possibly gained from lying about it? Again, this whole argument is so confusing...
So much this. Someone will 11 posts asking for proof from someone with thousands of posts.... :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
There's plenty of people with thousands of posts and a short join date. Many of the most trust-able people on this forum I know have under 300 posts.
For me, it's never just about the post count. I really didn't mean to imply that that's the most important factor. But it is one of many red flags (post count, join date, etc) that would influence such a decision (both on a personal and moderation level). If he is reputable based on history on another platform, so be it. But this would warrant further proof/investigation. :thumb:
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:34:48
Post by: canigetanipa on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:36:43
Post by: meiosis on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:43:14
This whole thread is so confusing.
If OP really just wants the set to happen, why would he be angry that someone else is volunteering to do the legwork for him? Why would someone argue to this extent in favor of shouldering the burden of a group buy? Not to mention that someone with so few posts would not be allowed to run a group buy in the first place, so he'd need to find someone to run it anyway.
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor? If someone came into an interest check thread and said "hey guys, this is actually definitely happening" two years ago, the community would thank them for making their dreams a reality. Why are you all complaining that the set is being made and you don't have to go through the wait of the interest check phase?
And who the hell cares about "proof" anyway? If it is all a big bluff, won't we find out when...it doesn't happen...? And what is possibly gained from lying about it? Again, this whole argument is so confusing...
So much this. Someone will 11 posts asking for proof from someone with thousands of posts.... :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
There's plenty of people with thousands of posts and a short join date. Many of the most trust-able people on this forum I know have under 300 posts.
For me, it's never just about the post count. I really didn't mean to imply that that's the most important factor. But it is one of many red flags (post count, join date, etc) that would influence such a decision (both on a personal and moderation level). If he is reputable based on history on another platform, so be it. But this would warrant further proof/investigation. :thumb:
Wasn't directed at you at all, although this thread in itself has shown how split GH is (reddit vs gh pre-2015). This year alone feels like it has had more scammers then the past three years I've been on here.
Post by: xondat on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:43:30
Does anyone when the buy will actually go live? I'm here refreshing and reading every update to the thread like a mad person trying not to miss itNot soon.
I definitely wouldn't support this GB. I come from the old school of the original designer/runner retaining the right to run or not run additional rounds based on respect of the community. I see with so many new comers in this hobby that the respect aspect is fading away in favor of instant gratification and that's a shame. I made the point when the fiasco with PuLSE was happening that any new comer that wasn't able to buy a set when it was available is just going to "run a GB" because they missed out and feel entitled to it. And here we see that playing out...Which are you talking about? The one OP wanted to do?
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:46:05
Does anyone when the buy will actually go live? I'm here refreshing and reading every update to the thread like a mad person trying not to miss itNot soon.I definitely wouldn't support this GB. I come from the old school of the original designer/runner retaining the right to run or not run additional rounds based on respect of the community. I see with so many new comers in this hobby that the respect aspect is fading away in favor of instant gratification and that's a shame. I made the point when the fiasco with PuLSE was happening that any new comer that wasn't able to buy a set when it was available is just going to "run a GB" because they missed out and feel entitled to it. And here we see that playing out...Which are you talking about? The one OP wanted to do?
Correct. I wouldn't support this thread's GB if it were to happen.
Post by: pinkeyedcyclops on Mon, 25 July 2016, 15:21:30
From a total outsider's point; OP should have asked or give a heads up to original designer about his intentions, that's just the right thing to do and a matter of respect and acknowledgement. However, respect is a mutual thing and the way this 'old boys club' from the 'pre 2015 days' laughs everything off with this 'haha 11 posts be quiet you nub' is not really cool or adult either.
That is all.
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 25 July 2016, 15:30:41
Hey, first post. I usually just buy keysets and refrain from joining the discussion, but hell why not.
From a total outsider's point; OP should have asked or give a heads up to original designer about his intentions, that's just the right thing to do and a matter of respect and acknowledgement. However, respect is a mutual thing and the way this 'old boys club' from the 'pre 2015 days' laughs everything off with this 'haha 11 posts be quiet you nub' is not really cool or adult either.
That is all.
It's not really an 'old boys club' mentality when someone very new to the community waltzes in like they've got the biggest dong in town and starts an IC to overtake one of the most sought after colorways to date. This IC is only about misplaced entitlement and instant gratification.
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 25 July 2016, 15:33:27
Hey, first post. I usually just buy keysets and refrain from joining the discussion, but hell why not.All dem post 2010 children have no right to complain either.
From a total outsider's point; OP should have asked or give a heads up to original designer about his intentions, that's just the right thing to do and a matter of respect and acknowledgement. However, respect is a mutual thing and the way this 'old boys club' from the 'pre 2015 days' laughs everything off with this 'haha 11 posts be quiet you nub' is not really cool or adult either.
That is all.
I remember when we were really grateful that any company even wanted to produce our silly keycaps. That's why Signature Plastics always gets my respect even though I might prefer Cherry-profile.
And when we were talking about Cherry-profile instead of GMK. /OldManRants #30isthenew65
Post by: y2bd on Mon, 25 July 2016, 15:39:16
It's not really an 'old boys club' mentality when someone very new to the community waltzes in like they've got the biggest dong in town and starts an IC to overtake one of the most sought after colorways to date. This IC is only about misplaced entitlement and instant gratification.
As Meiosis pointed out before with the clash of cultures, most of the animosity in this thread are due to the OP, while being unknown in the GH community, essentially being an internet celebrity in the Reddit mech community, where this IC was also posted (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4ugq69/ic_gmk_solarized_penumbra/) (and met with much more positivity, probably due to he being a more prominent figure over there compared to BunnyLake).
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 25 July 2016, 15:50:21
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 25 July 2016, 15:57:04
i think the misplaced entitlement rests with those who still believe that you can "own" a colorway. I will support any community-driven group buy that takes comments and input from interested members and incorporates them in the finished product. I appreciate everything bunny, et al have done for the community, but all i see here is thread crapping on an IC that is trying to offer the people what they want.You again?
Well that and just straight up taking credit for he renders at first.It's not really an 'old boys club' mentality when someone very new to the community waltzes in like they've got the biggest dong in town and starts an IC to overtake one of the most sought after colorways to date. This IC is only about misplaced entitlement and instant gratification.As Meiosis pointed out before with the clash of cultures, most of the animosity in this thread are due to the OP, while being unknown in the GH community, essentially being an internet celebrity in the Reddit mech community, where this IC was also posted (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4ugq69/ic_gmk_solarized_penumbra/) (and met with much more positivity, probably due to he being a more prominent figure over there compared to BunnyLake).
(http://i.imgur.com/BieSu8Hh.png) (http://imgur.com/BieSu8H)
(http://i.imgur.com/bTTM1Dqh.png) (http://imgur.com/bTTM1Dq)
To his credit, he did update the post on Reddit;
(http://i.imgur.com/4fqDkzfh.png) (http://imgur.com/4fqDkzf)
I would prefer it if we could all calm down a bit and give him a chance to come back and apologize. (Instead of how he responded on the first few pages of this thread)
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 25 July 2016, 16:48:32
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 25 July 2016, 17:02:02
I really hope we can start a new thread for the actual Penumbra GMK kit since this thread is so full of bile and garbage that it almost gave me brain cancer...
Bless
Post by: canigetanipa on Mon, 25 July 2016, 17:04:16
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 25 July 2016, 17:06:55
i think the misplaced entitlement rests with those who still believe that you can "own" a colorway. I will support any community-driven group buy that takes comments and input from interested members and incorporates them in the finished product. I appreciate everything bunny, et al have done for the community, but all i see here is thread crapping on an IC that is trying to offer the people what they want.
It's not about "own"ing a color way. A keyset is more than just a colorway in most cases and a lot of people in the community feel that if the creator/gb runner wants to maintain control over a set they ran then that should be respected. If that means that a set won't run for another 5 years or never... then so be it. It'll just be a rare set. The people that think some crime is being committed because the original GB runner doesn't want to or isn't ready to run another round are just being immature. It's nothing more than a "I want it and I want it now!" childish scream for attention.
Post by: kingpilcrow on Mon, 25 July 2016, 17:23:09
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 25 July 2016, 17:40:40
I definitely wouldn't support this GB. I come from the old school of the original designer/runner retaining the right to run or not run additional rounds based on respect of the community. I see with so many new comers in this hobby that the respect aspect is fading away in favor of instant gratification and that's a shame. I made the point when the fiasco with PuLSE was happening that any new comer that wasn't able to buy a set when it was available is just going to "run a GB" because they missed out and feel entitled to it. And here we see that playing out...
I was always in the camp favoring reruns or sets being produced by others if the creator didn't want to. I'm not a fan of forced exclusivity like that. Fortunately, Melissa chimed in and confirmed that business is business; anyone can run a colorway so long as they complete all the paperwork and submit the funds.
Post by: zoomwalt on Mon, 25 July 2016, 17:50:54
A lot of the guys here being dramatic are why reddit is a better mech kb community. Who cares if someone first ran a color scheme however long ago, you do not have copyright or IP in the colors used. You cannot patent a color. Next thing, you guys will want to sue someone who has the same color car as you. Get over it guys.
So let me get this straight, OP. Nothing against you, but you took the liberty to use the official GMK Carbon group buy render (that you didn't make) to promote an idea that you also didn't create, without even contacting who's responsible for both the original render and keycap set idea in the first place? I'm going to break it down for you right now; do not count on big vendors to support you and order, sort and ship this keycap set for you. I'll repeat; do not count on a big vendor backing you up by sorting and shipping this for you. It won't happen. This similar kind of behavior ruined other surprise announcements in the past and I find pretty bummer that it happened again. The problem with you guys is that you can't wait, instant gratification mentality taking place once again. But since you're here anyway I recommend you to focus on creating your own keycap set, stop replicating somebody else's idea & work and finding people to back you up. Good luck with that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:00:59
From there, things can go based on a variety of possibilities. Still, I see no reason why others can't run existing colorways if there's really no chance of them being rerun otherwise. I've yet to hear a compelling argument against such reruns.
Post by: zoomwalt on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:09:48
I would argue that Bunny makes a point, and this even as a supporter of letting others to reruns; try contacting the creator first and see what happens.
From there, things can go based on a variety of possibilities. Still, I see no reason why others can't run existing colorways if there's really no chance of them being rerun otherwise. I've yet to hear a compelling argument against such reruns.
I would argue that this isn't a rerun. The previous run was obviously in the SA format, while this is being run the Cherry format by a different vendor. As was pointed out, Bunny did not even come up with the solarized colors by himself, he took the idea from somewhere else. He cannot claim these colors as his IP, and for him to attempt to is dishonest.
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:15:00
All this drama is stupid. I plan to purchase these keycaps through OP's groupbuy.
A lot of the guys here being dramatic are why reddit is a better mech kb community. Who cares if someone first ran a color scheme however long ago, you do not have copyright or IP in the colors used. You cannot patent a color. Next thing, you guys will want to sue someone who has the same color car as you. Get over it guys.So let me get this straight, OP. Nothing against you, but you took the liberty to use the official GMK Carbon group buy render (that you didn't make) to promote an idea that you also didn't create, without even contacting who's responsible for both the original render and keycap set idea in the first place? I'm going to break it down for you right now; do not count on big vendors to support you and order, sort and ship this keycap set for you. I'll repeat; do not count on a big vendor backing you up by sorting and shipping this for you. It won't happen. This similar kind of behavior ruined other surprise announcements in the past and I find pretty bummer that it happened again. The problem with you guys is that you can't wait, instant gratification mentality taking place once again. But since you're here anyway I recommend you to focus on creating your own keycap set, stop replicating somebody else's idea & work and finding people to back you up. Good luck with that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
MiTo did the exact same thing with Pulse, Cosmos (or something like that), and several other sets and was caught stealing icons and he's treated like a deity over at reddit, so you can't really say one community is better than the other.
That said, everything about this thread has been a cluster**** and mishandled. First, no one owns a colorway or an arrangement of colors, but it is courtesy to contact the creator, in this case Ryan Uber, to set about running it before you set up an IC. I know OP started they are doing so now, but it should have been the first thing they did. If there was no answer, bunny should have been hit up as he had prior contact with the creator and ran it.
Secondly, if you have plans to run a set, it's much more polite to drop the OP a message and leave a note in the thread that you're contacting them. Instead of watching things blow up, it could have been resolved without devolving into a mess. And if you make things public about future plans, people are less likely to do things like ICs on immensely popular sets that they don't think will be done in another profile.
Lastly, the renders were part of an IC and heavily manipulated, money is not being made on them. OP should have asked and credited the origin, but there is nothing wrong with using the renders. If someone were to do that for the skeletor renders I paid for and I am not getting reimbursed for, I wouldn't care. Why? Because they will not look as good as the original, they are creating something new, and I lose nothing by the act. Would I like the creator and my wallet to be acknowledged? Yes, but it's no harm to me if it isn't.
The drama in this thread that could have easily been avoided is just ridiculous.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:20:43
All this drama is stupid. I plan to purchase these keycaps through OP's groupbuy.
A lot of the guys here being dramatic are why reddit is a better mech kb community. Who cares if someone first ran a color scheme however long ago, you do not have copyright or IP in the colors used. You cannot patent a color. Next thing, you guys will want to sue someone who has the same color car as you. Get over it guys.So let me get this straight, OP. Nothing against you, but you took the liberty to use the official GMK Carbon group buy render (that you didn't make) to promote an idea that you also didn't create, without even contacting who's responsible for both the original render and keycap set idea in the first place? I'm going to break it down for you right now; do not count on big vendors to support you and order, sort and ship this keycap set for you. I'll repeat; do not count on a big vendor backing you up by sorting and shipping this for you. It won't happen. This similar kind of behavior ruined other surprise announcements in the past and I find pretty bummer that it happened again. The problem with you guys is that you can't wait, instant gratification mentality taking place once again. But since you're here anyway I recommend you to focus on creating your own keycap set, stop replicating somebody else's idea & work and finding people to back you up. Good luck with that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
MiTo did the exact same thing and he's treated like a deity over at reddit, so you can't really say one community is better than the other. That said, everything about this thread has been a cluster**** and mishandled. No one owns a colorway, but it is courtesy to contact the creator, in this case Ryan Uber, to set about running it.
Secondly, if you have plans to rub a set, it's much more polite to drop the OP a message and leave a note in the thread that you're contacting them. Instead of watching things blow up, it could have been resolved without devolving into a mess.
Lastly, the renders were part of an IC and heavily manipulated, money is not being made on them. OP should have asked and credited the origin, but there is nothing wrong with using the renders. If someone were to do that for the skeletor renders I paid for and I am not getting reimbursed for, I wouldn't care. Why? Because they will not look as good as the original, they are creating something new, and I lose nothing by the act. Would I like the creator and my wallet to be acknowledged? Yes, but it's no harm to me if it isn't.
The drama in this thread that could have easily been avoided is just ridiculous.
nubs speaks the truth. Everyone is arguing about inconsequential points that really have no bearing on anything here. It's a matter of courtesy, and responding to the situation at hand in a professional/respectful manner, which did not happen. The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
Post by: xondat on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:23:36
The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
Post by: Oatburner on Mon, 25 July 2016, 20:34:59
The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 26 July 2016, 01:29:10
Past could be forgotten, but GMK penumbra is happening with GMK.The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.
i suggest this IC's starter provide another colorway and mockup. and there is no need to do a repeat work on a same colorway ,which will split the demond.
Post by: Gajible on Tue, 26 July 2016, 02:03:17
Past could be forgotten, but GMK penumbra is happening with GMK.The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.
i suggest this IC's starter provide another colorway and mockup. and there is no need to do a repeat work on a same colorway ,which will split the demond.
Judging by the interest check on Reddit alone, 500 sets will be nowhere near enough to fulfil the need for this set. I wouldn't be too worried about splitting the demand.
Post by: Fire Brand on Tue, 26 July 2016, 05:18:33
The thing is as with lots of groupbuys people say they will buy then drop out so I wouldn't count on all those actually commiting to pay if the bunnys set do show up, also that being said there were not 500 people saying yes in the Reddit thread.Past could be forgotten, but GMK penumbra is happening with GMK.The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.
i suggest this IC's starter provide another colorway and mockup. and there is no need to do a repeat work on a same colorway ,which will split the demond.
Judging by the interest check on Reddit alone, 500 sets will be nowhere near enough to fulfil the need for this set. I wouldn't be too worried about splitting the demand.
Post by: Chedda7 on Tue, 26 July 2016, 05:29:41
Post by: priyadi on Tue, 26 July 2016, 06:34:57
PS. I think colors cannot be copyrighted, but the brand "Penumbra" is trademarkable. IMO, OP should use another name if he wants to pursue this GB.
Post by: mobbo on Tue, 26 July 2016, 07:27:27
It's one thing to run an IC; it's easy to get people to say "I like that color, yes I want it." But a group buy consists of so much more. I don't know if the OP has any history running GBs, but I would rather buy it from someone who has run the set before, who is currently in discussions with the vendor, has put more thought into this, and who has already completed over 13000 orders for the community to date. Think about that for a second. Think about the massive amount of time, work, and money out of pocket involved. We are all people in this community, and it's easy to forget that. People gripe about incompleted orders as if bunnylake can personally whip you up a set in his basement and send it out the next day. Let me tell you, if he could, he would. A lot is out of the hands of the organizer once things start rolling, and if you think you can sort through 500+ sets, and go through the GB process (that could run for years) without a hitch, then power to you, and I look forward to participating in any future buys you may run - but in regard to GMK Penumbra, I would rather go with someone who has the experience and history.
You say "I love the colorway, I love the set, I respect the creator of the set but I would like to see another round of this set. I am trying to make that happen with GMK Solarized." but I have not seen that respect. To either the creators of the set, or the creators of the renders. Clearly the information presented in this thread indicates that there WILL be another round of this set. If it is happening already, why would there be any reason to run a parallel process?
If the goal is to have another round of this set and make it available to more members of the community - then who is running it does not matter as much as communication and mutual respect. This whole thread could have been avoided if there had been early communication, and all this stupid drama could have been avoided had parties shown each other a little more respect.
Post by: Tmeee on Tue, 26 July 2016, 07:33:04
The majority of them were burdened with daily life.They could barely spare a whole day for the sorting,shipping etc.
That was where the problem came from.A friend of mine got the cyan set without "F".A friend of mine just got his calm depth weeks ago. A friend of mine didnt receive his GH60 set still.
Yes,my poor friends.It seems I am blaming someone.
Indeed not.Probably we could do something to prevent this situation from being bad to worse.
One solution is that we do our parts as enthusiasts,we modify the rendors,talk about the color,and everything else about kbd itself.
The rest should be left for vendors ,at which they are making a living.
You cannot deny it that vendors such as massdrop are proficient in sorting and shipping.(Yes,I do know what happened to TA,but that is highly possible because of the trays)
They have advantages otherwise T0mb3ry would not choose them to start the carbon gb.
We can find that Originativeco is in charge of GMK skeleton meanwhile another vendor is working with GMK penumbra.
It looks like that we have already found an proper way to complete a gb,so why keep blaming Bunny endlessly when he is doing his best to fix the problem?
Post by: dgneo on Tue, 26 July 2016, 07:33:45
Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 26 July 2016, 07:35:18
And HHKB,75%,65%,1800 layout supports please.
Post by: Gajible on Tue, 26 July 2016, 08:25:21
The thing is as with lots of groupbuys people say they will buy then drop out so I wouldn't count on all those actually commiting to pay if the bunnys set do show up, also that being said there were not 500 people saying yes in the Reddit thread.Past could be forgotten, but GMK penumbra is happening with GMK.The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.
i suggest this IC's starter provide another colorway and mockup. and there is no need to do a repeat work on a same colorway ,which will split the demond.
Judging by the interest check on Reddit alone, 500 sets will be nowhere near enough to fulfil the need for this set. I wouldn't be too worried about splitting the demand.
The Reddit IC is barely scratching the surface. Between Reddit, Geekhack, China, Vietnam and all the other communities, it'll be a mad dash for whoever wants this set.
Post by: Nickjames on Tue, 26 July 2016, 08:55:43
The thing is as with lots of groupbuys people say they will buy then drop out so I wouldn't count on all those actually commiting to pay if the bunnys set do show up, also that being said there were not 500 people saying yes in the Reddit thread.Past could be forgotten, but GMK penumbra is happening with GMK.The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.
i suggest this IC's starter provide another colorway and mockup. and there is no need to do a repeat work on a same colorway ,which will split the demond.
Judging by the interest check on Reddit alone, 500 sets will be nowhere near enough to fulfil the need for this set. I wouldn't be too worried about splitting the demand.
The Reddit IC is barely scratching the surface. Between Reddit, Geekhack, China, Vietnam and all the other communities, it'll be a mad dash for whoever wants this set.
This, I don't understand why make this limited to 500 sets and release it as a surprise? This is just going to leave a lot of potential buyers pissed off that they didn't run a refresh script on the site to keep tabs when it drops. Sounds like Bunny is just trying to keep this set rare for whatever reason.
Post by: WOMBO on Tue, 26 July 2016, 09:09:05
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 26 July 2016, 09:09:56
Post by: Fire Brand on Tue, 26 July 2016, 09:10:17
Because unlike every other massdrop led gmk buy a vendor and or Ctrl alt have ponied up the money upfront without taking a penny off anyone it's still a risk for them to invest so much into keycap a even if you no doubt will say something along the lines they will all sell out.The thing is as with lots of groupbuys people say they will buy then drop out so I wouldn't count on all those actually commiting to pay if the bunnys set do show up, also that being said there were not 500 people saying yes in the Reddit thread.Past could be forgotten, but GMK penumbra is happening with GMK.The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.
i suggest this IC's starter provide another colorway and mockup. and there is no need to do a repeat work on a same colorway ,which will split the demond.
Judging by the interest check on Reddit alone, 500 sets will be nowhere near enough to fulfil the need for this set. I wouldn't be too worried about splitting the demand.
The Reddit IC is barely scratching the surface. Between Reddit, Geekhack, China, Vietnam and all the other communities, it'll be a mad dash for whoever wants this set.
This, I don't understand why make this limited to 500 sets and release it as a surprise? This is just going to leave a lot of potential buyers pissed off that they didn't run a refresh script on the site to keep tabs when it drops. Sounds like Bunny is just trying to keep this set rare for whatever reason.
And I highly doubt they want the set to be rare so stop making accusations without having proof as that's slander.
Post by: Gajible on Tue, 26 July 2016, 09:29:40
Because unlike every other massdrop led gmk buy a vendor and or Ctrl alt have ponied up the money upfront without taking a penny off anyone it's still a risk for them to invest so much into keycap a even if you no doubt will say something along the lines they will all sell out.The thing is as with lots of groupbuys people say they will buy then drop out so I wouldn't count on all those actually commiting to pay if the bunnys set do show up, also that being said there were not 500 people saying yes in the Reddit thread.Past could be forgotten, but GMK penumbra is happening with GMK.The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.
i suggest this IC's starter provide another colorway and mockup. and there is no need to do a repeat work on a same colorway ,which will split the demond.
Judging by the interest check on Reddit alone, 500 sets will be nowhere near enough to fulfil the need for this set. I wouldn't be too worried about splitting the demand.
The Reddit IC is barely scratching the surface. Between Reddit, Geekhack, China, Vietnam and all the other communities, it'll be a mad dash for whoever wants this set.
This, I don't understand why make this limited to 500 sets and release it as a surprise? This is just going to leave a lot of potential buyers pissed off that they didn't run a refresh script on the site to keep tabs when it drops. Sounds like Bunny is just trying to keep this set rare for whatever reason.
And I highly doubt they want the set to be rare so stop making accusations without having proof as that's slander.
They'll sell out like the damn grab bags at 500 sets.
Also, slander? I almost spit out my drink. He's hypothesizing, and with good reason. No slander there.
Post by: Data on Tue, 26 July 2016, 09:40:23
All this drama is stupid. I plan to purchase these keycaps through OP's groupbuy.
A lot of the guys here being dramatic are why reddit is a better mech kb community.
Stopped reading there due to uncontrollable laughter.
Post by: Fire Brand on Tue, 26 July 2016, 09:45:31
Slander would be just making a assumption and damaging someone's reputation without any due evidence so exactly what he did? Not sure if your trolling at this pointBecause unlike every other massdrop led gmk buy a vendor and or Ctrl alt have ponied up the money upfront without taking a penny off anyone it's still a risk for them to invest so much into keycap a even if you no doubt will say something along the lines they will all sell out.The thing is as with lots of groupbuys people say they will buy then drop out so I wouldn't count on all those actually commiting to pay if the bunnys set do show up, also that being said there were not 500 people saying yes in the Reddit thread.Past could be forgotten, but GMK penumbra is happening with GMK.The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.
i suggest this IC's starter provide another colorway and mockup. and there is no need to do a repeat work on a same colorway ,which will split the demond.
Judging by the interest check on Reddit alone, 500 sets will be nowhere near enough to fulfil the need for this set. I wouldn't be too worried about splitting the demand.
The Reddit IC is barely scratching the surface. Between Reddit, Geekhack, China, Vietnam and all the other communities, it'll be a mad dash for whoever wants this set.
This, I don't understand why make this limited to 500 sets and release it as a surprise? This is just going to leave a lot of potential buyers pissed off that they didn't run a refresh script on the site to keep tabs when it drops. Sounds like Bunny is just trying to keep this set rare for whatever reason.
And I highly doubt they want the set to be rare so stop making accusations without having proof as that's slander.
They'll sell out like the damn grab bags at 500 sets.
Also, slander? I almost spit out my drink. He's hypothesizing, and with good reason. No slander there.
Also again as for them selling out that's all well and good but what if they wanted to sell 500 then use that money to make more to cover demand it's stupid to even speculate as that's all this entire thread is let's keep our speculation down and just calmly wait till something happens.
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 26 July 2016, 09:46:14
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Post by: William_S_Jones on Tue, 26 July 2016, 09:50:00
Post by: Michael on Tue, 26 July 2016, 09:56:43
As of forever it would seem. Between Ripster, Bro and Ivan, this community definitely thrives on drama.
The amount of **** pouring out of your mouth between here and reddit, and you're calling me out for drama? Top keks m8.
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 26 July 2016, 09:57:23
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gl with that
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Post by: dgneo on Tue, 26 July 2016, 10:02:37
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Post by: xondat on Tue, 26 July 2016, 10:08:02
Quote from: proper **** aka full time massive twat
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Post by: dgneo on Tue, 26 July 2016, 10:09:34
Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior, Monokai?Show Image(https://hexchat.github.io/img/themes/Monokai.png)
Post by: Nickjames on Tue, 26 July 2016, 10:11:27
Slander would be just making a assumption and damaging someone's reputation without any due evidence so exactly what he did? Not sure if your trolling at this pointBecause unlike every other massdrop led gmk buy a vendor and or Ctrl alt have ponied up the money upfront without taking a penny off anyone it's still a risk for them to invest so much into keycap a even if you no doubt will say something along the lines they will all sell out.The thing is as with lots of groupbuys people say they will buy then drop out so I wouldn't count on all those actually commiting to pay if the bunnys set do show up, also that being said there were not 500 people saying yes in the Reddit thread.Past could be forgotten, but GMK penumbra is happening with GMK.The whole discussion about owning colorways is so incredibly overdone, it's just boring at this point.
I agree, this would be a really nice set if that can be gotten past.
i suggest this IC's starter provide another colorway and mockup. and there is no need to do a repeat work on a same colorway ,which will split the demond.
Judging by the interest check on Reddit alone, 500 sets will be nowhere near enough to fulfil the need for this set. I wouldn't be too worried about splitting the demand.
The Reddit IC is barely scratching the surface. Between Reddit, Geekhack, China, Vietnam and all the other communities, it'll be a mad dash for whoever wants this set.
This, I don't understand why make this limited to 500 sets and release it as a surprise? This is just going to leave a lot of potential buyers pissed off that they didn't run a refresh script on the site to keep tabs when it drops. Sounds like Bunny is just trying to keep this set rare for whatever reason.
And I highly doubt they want the set to be rare so stop making accusations without having proof as that's slander.
They'll sell out like the damn grab bags at 500 sets.
Also, slander? I almost spit out my drink. He's hypothesizing, and with good reason. No slander there.
Also again as for them selling out that's all well and good but what if they wanted to sell 500 then use that money to make more to cover demand it's stupid to even speculate as that's all this entire thread is let's keep our speculation down and just calmly wait till something happens.
Why do you feel it is damaging? You guys honestly take things way too seriously for a forum about selling keycaps. Haven't the sales from CtrlAltIo been group buys? My only guess as to why he's selling them in batches is to be a profit making move. He can continue to keep stock and just sell the keycaps as a first come first serve basis rather than wait on a large bulk of buyers to be accumulated before ordering. I am fine with this if that's the case as long as stock will be done regularly and not a limited once a year(s) type deal as the competition will be fierce with people using bots to place orders immediately or buying multiple sets for resell. This entire move has both good and bad connotations.
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 26 July 2016, 10:16:04
Let's clear some things up
Ctrl alt aren't selling these
Another vendor is
They will be sold when on hand
Despite what people think they won't sell out instantly, about a month is a better estimate
This is a keyset, made in huge numbers, nobody will need bots
All this speculation and lies just makes people look stupid
Why speculate and make assumptions without enough info to do it, people are giving an opinion they are making based on scenarios they are making up
None of this matters
For all the people taking the time to read and support.... Thank you
For all the people making **** up and throwing shade, sit tight, let's see what happens
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Post by: Nickjames on Tue, 26 July 2016, 10:24:33
Post by: cmd on Tue, 26 July 2016, 10:44:00
We're on a forum, it's what we do.
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Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 26 July 2016, 13:32:27
I don't understand why make this limited to 500 sets and release it as a surprise? This is just going to leave a lot of potential buyers pissed off that they didn't run a refresh script on the site to keep tabs when it drops. Sounds like Bunny is just trying to keep this set rare for whatever reason.
Let's take a step back and think about logistics for a second. We, as a forum, have a lot of historical data of group buys that bit off far more than they could handle - orders increased to an uncontrollable amount, purchase options became more and more complex with various options, etc. Myself and many others have stepped in to clean up the mess caused by a lot of these group buys, so I can tell you first hand how much of a ****show it can turn into.
This is relevant because limiting the set to 500 units is actually very smart. It strikes a reasonable balance between satisfying customers (it is a vendor operation after all, so in theory they can handle a bit more than your average user-run group buy) while still not putting too much capital at risk by increasing order quantity. If we want the comfort and reassurance of a vendor-run buy, we need to understand that they only have so many funds that they're willing to tie up in the efforts. The other option, a user-run buy with "unlimited" orders, has other downsides, like increased risk. It's unfair to ask a vendor to give us the best of both worlds, as it's simply not in their best interest as a business.
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 26 July 2016, 13:58:28
Plus, let's look at this long-term. We have a problem in MassDrop being the primary vendor - Originative is getting some more business these days with Skeletor just having finished and Keyboard & Co coming soon. Another vendor that can become a large player is always a good thing, particularly since the lead times for a buy on MD have increased given the number of buys trying to get in. I certainly wouldn't mind another vendor getting to the point of being able to provide a similar price on SP sets to what MD is able to provide.
Post by: Gajible on Tue, 26 July 2016, 14:03:02
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 26 July 2016, 14:23:11
Do they enjoy us crazy enthusiasts coming up with new colorways a couple of times a year?
Do they have a wall with a sample of all the sets they ever produced?
Post by: Nickjames on Tue, 26 July 2016, 14:27:44
I don't understand why make this limited to 500 sets and release it as a surprise? This is just going to leave a lot of potential buyers pissed off that they didn't run a refresh script on the site to keep tabs when it drops. Sounds like Bunny is just trying to keep this set rare for whatever reason.
Let's take a step back and think about logistics for a second. We, as a forum, have a lot of historical data of group buys that bit off far more than they could handle - orders increased to an uncontrollable amount, purchase options became more and more complex with various options, etc. Myself and many others have stepped in to clean up the mess caused by a lot of these group buys, so I can tell you first hand how much of a ****show it can turn into.
This is relevant because limiting the set to 500 units is actually very smart. It strikes a reasonable balance between satisfying customers (it is a vendor operation after all, so in theory they can handle a bit more than your average user-run group buy) while still not putting too much capital at risk by increasing order quantity. If we want the comfort and reassurance of a vendor-run buy, we need to understand that they only have so many funds that they're willing to tie up in the efforts. The other option, a user-run buy with "unlimited" orders, has other downsides, like increased risk. It's unfair to ask a vendor to give us the best of both worlds, as it's simply not in their best interest as a business.
I was not aware this was a vendor run buy, I was under the assumption he was handling the orders himself out of pocket to sell through his site. I followed up on that with my next post but in any case if this is how it's done I am ok with it as I would rather have fast shipment and orders from a reliable vendor. Trust me, I have seen plenty of GB horror stories here.
Post by: Shikarikato on Tue, 26 July 2016, 14:47:18
If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so
let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead
Post by: Gajible on Tue, 26 July 2016, 19:03:28
If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so
let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead
I'm not convinced I know what makes Carbon more "special" than Penumbra. Custom colours were used for Carbom, not sure if needed with Penumbra, and Carbon had some cool novelties. Aside from that, they were both popular sets when they ran in SA. If Penumbra is ran on Massdrop like Carbon was, I'd be willing to venture that it'd attract the very same buyers.
You're really missing the bigger picture here though. The strawpoll was on Reddit, and Reddit alone. It doesn't take into account the potentially huge amount of buyers coming: Geekhack, China, Vietnam, Korea, as well as the buyers from outside of the community, should Massdrop run it.
Post by: ntw on Tue, 26 July 2016, 20:18:23
With bunny already done all the ground work I strongly believe it will be him and the mysterious vendor winning the race.
Post by: KyleZhuang on Tue, 26 July 2016, 21:55:57
Nothing personal, maybe you do not know today's market and demand for this keyset in China. I believe the number of 500 can't even cover the demand in China and Vietnam.If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so
let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead
Anyway, I respect what has been done so far.
Post by: ntw on Tue, 26 July 2016, 21:56:43
[/size]I would fart rainbow if this happens
Post by: Nickjames on Tue, 26 July 2016, 22:01:22
Nothing personal, maybe you do not know today's market and demand for this keyset in China. I believe the number of 500 can't even cover the demand in China and Vietnam.If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so
let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead
Anyway, I respect what has been done so far.
I agree, once the word spreads I give it 24-48 hours to sellout @ 500 units, that's being generous.
Post by: jorgenslee on Tue, 26 July 2016, 22:05:37
Nothing personal, maybe you do not know today's market and demand for this keyset in China. I believe the number of 500 can't even cover the demand in China and Vietnam.If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so
let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead
Anyway, I respect what has been done so far.
I agree, once the word spreads I give it 24-48 hours to sellout @ 500 units, that's being generous.
It depends on the price though. Let's hope it's not more than 160usd range. :)
Post by: Gengarfan on Tue, 26 July 2016, 23:15:37
Nothing personal, maybe you do not know today's market and demand for this keyset in China. I believe the number of 500 can't even cover the demand in China and Vietnam.If this set sells through a vendor at anything close to the price Carbon was just selling on Massderp, I'll be impressed.you know id hate to be rude but the complete lack of understanding of how business works is kind of baffling
carbon was a special keycap set that will get buyers who are never going to buy another keycap set again in their life
500 sets is plenty and clicking 2 buttons on a straw poll doesn't mean they even have the cash to pay for a set of keycaps let alone are willing to do so
let bunny do what bunny is doing
if you want more keycaps then get sockman to run something on Reddit
it looks like there is a lot of demand for DSA so maybe be slightly more original and do that instead
Anyway, I respect what has been done so far.
I agree, once the word spreads I give it 24-48 hours to sellout @ 500 units, that's being generous.
It depends on the price though. Let's hope it's not more than 160usd range. :)
Yes lets hope not :confused:
Nothing against Bunny but if both his business and the vendor are getting a cut then there is bound to be a bigger markup than what the OP of this thread would have. Between that and the fact that the OP of this thread is also working on some child kits I think it might be worth it to wait to see what comes to fruition from this IC.
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 27 July 2016, 01:49:45
Honestly, it seems much ado about nothing.
Post by: Capmerica on Wed, 27 July 2016, 06:14:26
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Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 27 July 2016, 06:30:36
Post by: xondat on Wed, 27 July 2016, 06:32:32
I don't think anyone is trying to stop him...?True. At this point I want OP to try his almighty best and run the set. Only because I know he won't succeed. But I'd love to see him think any further than posting this. He's talking big on reddit, but no reply here because this is where the truth is.
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 27 July 2016, 07:06:19
Post by: xondat on Wed, 27 July 2016, 07:10:45
I don't particularily want him to fail, but mostly because I don't really care about this unholy mess. I REALLY want a Penumbra kit, though. GMK, SA, DSA... Hell, at this point I'll take it in G20!Well you'll get that soon thanks to the work of Bunnylake, Ctrl Alt and the vendor. As for OP, there is no way he'll ever get to the group buy stage. But I'd love to see him try.
Post by: ntw on Wed, 27 July 2016, 08:33:55
Post by: bloorocket on Wed, 27 July 2016, 08:57:08
Or this is coincidence?
GMK Cherry Profile would be wonderful :D
Post by: mobbo on Wed, 27 July 2016, 09:18:51
500 initially
I will gladly back down if you can prove anything is happening on your end.
If sufficient evidence has been provided to you by the mods, and you can confirm, can we please close this thread?
I don't think anything productive will come out of continuing this discussion, and it certainly isn't serving it's purpose as an IC.
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Wed, 27 July 2016, 09:30:50
Wait wait, but the IC at MD states that it will be produced by SP with SA profile?
Or this is coincidence?
GMK Cherry Profile would be wonderful :D
Both are happening
:D
Post by: canigetanipa on Wed, 27 July 2016, 09:39:51
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 27 July 2016, 09:43:05
Where can we expect to get some kind of notification prior towhen it's actually expected to go live? If this thread is going down and there is no choice but to search GH for 'Penumbra' each day since this is going to be an F5 war it sounds like with 500 sets and given the demand many might buy multiples to flip themSubscribe to the Ctrl alt sub forum? And there's usually a limit placed on how many a single person can order as far as i remember.
Post by: canigetanipa on Wed, 27 July 2016, 12:03:24
Subscribe to the Ctrl alt sub forum? And there's usually a limit placed on how many a single person can order as far as i remember.
You guys are getting comical at this point
Let's clear some things up
Ctrl alt aren't selling these
Another vendor is
Post by: xondat on Wed, 27 July 2016, 12:08:17
Where can we expect to get some kind of notification prior towhen it's actually expected to go live?No.
Post by: Gengarfan on Wed, 27 July 2016, 12:08:54
I don't think anyone is trying to stop him...?True. At this point I want OP to try his almighty best and run the set. Only because I know he won't succeed. But I'd love to see him think any further than posting this. He's talking big on reddit, but no reply here because this is where the truth is.
Why do you want OP not to succeed? Why would anyone not want him to succeed? If there happens to be a lot more than 500 people that want the set which it sounds like there is, why not try and help OP and get the set to even more people? Everyone made their points by this point so lets just move on and make this an actual interest check.
Post by: xondat on Wed, 27 July 2016, 12:10:18
I said I know he won't succeed, not he won't succeed.I don't think anyone is trying to stop him...?True. At this point I want OP to try his almighty best and run the set. Only because I know he won't succeed. But I'd love to see him think any further than posting this. He's talking big on reddit, but no reply here because this is where the truth is.
Why do you want OP not to succeed? Why would anyone not want him to succeed? If there happens to be a lot more than 500 people that want the set which it sounds like there is, why not try and help OP and get the set to even more people? Everyone made their points by this point so lets just move on and make this an actual interest check.
There is clearly lots of interest, so lets lock this thread eh?
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 27 July 2016, 12:37:35
This is a nice thread.
Post by: Gajible on Wed, 27 July 2016, 13:04:59
I said I know he won't succeed, not he won't succeed.I don't think anyone is trying to stop him...?True. At this point I want OP to try his almighty best and run the set. Only because I know he won't succeed. But I'd love to see him think any further than posting this. He's talking big on reddit, but no reply here because this is where the truth is.
Why do you want OP not to succeed? Why would anyone not want him to succeed? If there happens to be a lot more than 500 people that want the set which it sounds like there is, why not try and help OP and get the set to even more people? Everyone made their points by this point so lets just move on and make this an actual interest check.
There is clearly lots of interest, so lets lock this thread eh?
From the IC thread rules:
"Once you started a group buy, please remember to close/lock the IC thread and put a re-direct link on the last page of that thread (so that way, members can just follow it to place their orders)"
Seems the group buy hasn't started, not sure why you'd want the
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 27 July 2016, 13:06:16
Pretty sure GMK will not take orders from different parties on the same colorway too
Not sure that they would care. They're a production company. If they receive an order and receive the funds for that order, they'll do the production run. It would also put them at a disadvantage to SP and other cap producing companies if they were to care.
Post by: Willyc277 on Wed, 27 July 2016, 13:25:12
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor?Because he ate part of his sock :)) :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Should probably be able to handle the responsibility of a GB.
He's also a well respected community member in other areas of the community, but you're right, post count = trustworthyness. /s
****-posting on Reddit doesn't make you a well-respected member of the community.
Post by: Gajible on Wed, 27 July 2016, 13:28:16
From a buyer's perspective, why would you want someone with 11 posts to run a group buy over a pre-run set being sold by a reputable vendor?Because he ate part of his sock :)) :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: Should probably be able to handle the responsibility of a GB.
He's also a well respected community member in other areas of the community, but you're right, post count = trustworthyness. /s
****-posting on Reddit doesn't make you a well-respected member of the community.
Who died and made you judge?
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 27 July 2016, 13:28:41
(http://i.imgur.com/H53Ktbf.gif)
I guess that's on me for expecting a rational dialogue though.
Post by: Gajible on Wed, 27 July 2016, 13:33:09
Every single time I open this thread after someone comments:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/H53Ktbf.gif)
I guess that's on me for expecting a rational dialogue though.
So, a literal ****-post complaining about "****-posts"?
I'd say there's a good discussion going, with pros and cons for both sides being brought up.
Funny how anything that isn't in line with the old boys agenda is considered ****posting now days...
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 27 July 2016, 13:36:46
Every single time I open this thread after someone comments:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/H53Ktbf.gif)
I guess that's on me for expecting a rational dialogue though.
So, a literal ****-post complaining about "****-posts"?
I'd say there's a good discussion going, with pros and cons for both sides being brought up.
Funny how anything that isn't in line with the old boys agenda is considered ****posting now days...
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Post by: cmd on Wed, 27 July 2016, 13:42:12
I'd say there's a good discussion going, with pros and cons for both sides being brought up.
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Post by: Gajible on Wed, 27 July 2016, 13:48:18
Every single time I open this thread after someone comments:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/H53Ktbf.gif)
I guess that's on me for expecting a rational dialogue though.
So, a literal ****-post complaining about "****-posts"?
I'd say there's a good discussion going, with pros and cons for both sides being brought up.
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Post by: Aricil on Wed, 27 July 2016, 20:35:50
All I have to say is Solarize me! Actually really psyched about how nice the GMK profile will look.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LKLzepM.jpg)
What kind of board is that?
Post by: Capmerica on Wed, 27 July 2016, 20:39:41
Look like a leopold fc660c to me.All I have to say is Solarize me! Actually really psyched about how nice the GMK profile will look.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LKLzepM.jpg)
What kind of board is that?
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Post by: JaccoW on Thu, 28 July 2016, 09:18:06
Perhaps. Though a Leopold FC660M would be easier. :PLook like a leopold fc660c to me.All I have to say is Solarize me! Actually really psyched about how nice the GMK profile will look.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LKLzepM.jpg)
What kind of board is that?
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Post by: MkLovin on Thu, 28 July 2016, 18:23:48
I ran this interest check because I wanted to make this set happen. I had no idea Bunny was even attempting to make this set a reality. After he claimed that he was working on the set, I asked for proof with nothing but a "can confirm" from a mod as proof. For obvious reasons, I didn't accept that as a proof. It would be easy to fake. I understand that it is private, and I was very open saying PM me with the information and you can redact the vendors name if you are worried about it. He never PM'd me. I took it into my own hands to contact GMK myself and ask if anyone was making the set already. Today, I heard back from GMK who stated (without mentioning the vendor) that another party was working on the set already.
I made it very clear at the beginning of this thread that I would step down if there was any legitimate proof that Bunny has things underway. Today I received said proof and as promised, I will be stepping down and letting Bunny run the group buy. Best of luck to him with running the group buy. I am happy that this set is coming to life regardless of who is making the set. All I wanted to see was a revitalization of Penumbra in one form or another. Today I confirmed that Penumbra will be making a comeback and I am happy to hear it. I will be abandoning this project completely. Best of luck to Bunny and his crew.
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 28 July 2016, 18:45:13
Post by: Gajible on Thu, 28 July 2016, 20:05:49
Post by: Aricil on Sat, 30 July 2016, 13:01:21
i think the misplaced entitlement rests with those who still believe that you can "own" a colorway. I will support any community-driven group buy that takes comments and input from interested members and incorporates them in the finished product. I appreciate everything bunny, et al have done for the community, but all i see here is thread crapping on an IC that is trying to offer the people what they want.You again?Show ImageShow ImageIt's not really an 'old boys club' mentality when someone very new to the community waltzes in like they've got the biggest dong in town and starts an IC to overtake one of the most sought after colorways to date. This IC is only about misplaced entitlement and instant gratification.
As Meiosis pointed out before with the clash of cultures, most of the animosity in this thread are due to the OP, while being unknown in the GH community, essentially being an internet celebrity in the Reddit mech community, where this IC was also posted (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4ugq69/ic_gmk_solarized_penumbra/) (and met with much more positivity, probably due to he being a more prominent figure over there compared to BunnyLake).
Well that and just straight up taking credit for he renders at first.
(http://i.imgur.com/BieSu8Hh.png) (http://imgur.com/BieSu8H)
(http://i.imgur.com/bTTM1Dqh.png) (http://imgur.com/bTTM1Dq)
To his credit, he did update the post on Reddit;
(http://i.imgur.com/4fqDkzfh.png) (http://imgur.com/4fqDkzf)
I would prefer it if we could all calm down a bit and give him a chance to come back and apologize. (Instead of how he responded on the first few pages of this thread)
Am I the only who doesn't understand why it matters? I mean, it's a picture, right? He just changed the colors to show what it would be. I mean, it's not like he's selling framed pictures of the render. I fail to see how this hurts anyone. I mean, if anything, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Post by: Aricil on Sat, 30 July 2016, 13:03:32
Sign me up!
To me, that seems more along the lines of basic capitalism. Isn't competition good for us, the consumer?
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 30 July 2016, 19:21:32
For the same reason why Getty images is being sued for $1 billion (http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4vapeh/photographer_suing_getty_images_for_1_billion/).i think the misplaced entitlement rests with those who still believe that you can "own" a colorway. I will support any community-driven group buy that takes comments and input from interested members and incorporates them in the finished product. I appreciate everything bunny, et al have done for the community, but all i see here is thread crapping on an IC that is trying to offer the people what they want.You again?Show ImageShow ImageIt's not really an 'old boys club' mentality when someone very new to the community waltzes in like they've got the biggest dong in town and starts an IC to overtake one of the most sought after colorways to date. This IC is only about misplaced entitlement and instant gratification.
As Meiosis pointed out before with the clash of cultures, most of the animosity in this thread are due to the OP, while being unknown in the GH community, essentially being an internet celebrity in the Reddit mech community, where this IC was also posted (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4ugq69/ic_gmk_solarized_penumbra/) (and met with much more positivity, probably due to he being a more prominent figure over there compared to BunnyLake).
Well that and just straight up taking credit for he renders at first.
(http://i.imgur.com/BieSu8Hh.png) (http://imgur.com/BieSu8H)
(http://i.imgur.com/bTTM1Dqh.png) (http://imgur.com/bTTM1Dq)
To his credit, he did update the post on Reddit;
(http://i.imgur.com/4fqDkzfh.png) (http://imgur.com/4fqDkzf)
I would prefer it if we could all calm down a bit and give him a chance to come back and apologize. (Instead of how he responded on the first few pages of this thread)
Am I the only who doesn't understand why it matters? I mean, it's a picture, right? He just changed the colors to show what it would be. I mean, it's not like he's selling framed pictures of the render. I fail to see how this hurts anyone. I mean, if anything, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Even if something can be used for free, the original author can put down rules on its use. Such as referring to the original and asking permission to use it.
A picture or a render is someone's product of lots of work he or she has put into it. Would you enjoy spending hours on whatever it is you do for work only for someone else to paint it a different color and then call it his own?
Because that is what this is.
Imitation would have been if he himself would have designed and developed a model in software and then render it in a color he wanted. This is (bordering on) stealing someone's hard work.
Post by: neverused on Sat, 30 July 2016, 22:28:42
Also the whole solarized colorway has been in use elsewhere, applying it to keycaps and acting like no one else can use it would be pretty ignorant.
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Post by: MkLovin on Sat, 30 July 2016, 22:34:54
For the same reason why Getty images is being sued for $1 billion (http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4vapeh/photographer_suing_getty_images_for_1_billion/).i think the misplaced entitlement rests with those who still believe that you can "own" a colorway. I will support any community-driven group buy that takes comments and input from interested members and incorporates them in the finished product. I appreciate everything bunny, et al have done for the community, but all i see here is thread crapping on an IC that is trying to offer the people what they want.You again?Show ImageShow ImageIt's not really an 'old boys club' mentality when someone very new to the community waltzes in like they've got the biggest dong in town and starts an IC to overtake one of the most sought after colorways to date. This IC is only about misplaced entitlement and instant gratification.
As Meiosis pointed out before with the clash of cultures, most of the animosity in this thread are due to the OP, while being unknown in the GH community, essentially being an internet celebrity in the Reddit mech community, where this IC was also posted (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4ugq69/ic_gmk_solarized_penumbra/) (and met with much more positivity, probably due to he being a more prominent figure over there compared to BunnyLake).
Well that and just straight up taking credit for he renders at first.
(http://i.imgur.com/BieSu8Hh.png) (http://imgur.com/BieSu8H)
(http://i.imgur.com/bTTM1Dqh.png) (http://imgur.com/bTTM1Dq)
To his credit, he did update the post on Reddit;
(http://i.imgur.com/4fqDkzfh.png) (http://imgur.com/4fqDkzf)
I would prefer it if we could all calm down a bit and give him a chance to come back and apologize. (Instead of how he responded on the first few pages of this thread)
Am I the only who doesn't understand why it matters? I mean, it's a picture, right? He just changed the colors to show what it would be. I mean, it's not like he's selling framed pictures of the render. I fail to see how this hurts anyone. I mean, if anything, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Even if something can be used for free, the original author can put down rules on its use. Such as referring to the original and asking permission to use it.
A picture or a render is someone's product of lots of work he or she has put into it. Would you enjoy spending hours on whatever it is you do for work only for someone else to paint it a different color and then call it his own?
Because that is what this is.
Imitation would have been if he himself would have designed and developed a model in software and then render it in a color he wanted. This is (bordering on) stealing someone's hard work.
Aside from the fact that no such rules were posted ANYWHERE by the original owner and not even a watermark was posted on the pictures... It is considered a deviant work in case you are interested. If I photoshop a picture of a dolphin behind Obama it isn't the original photographer's work anymore, it is a completely different work with a different meaning and completely different image. If I apply your logic to the scenario I just mentioned, you would be claiming that a man who photoshops a dolphin behind Obama is indeed stealing. If that is what you are going to contend, I think you should really take a look at your argument again. I changed the colors of the render to an unrecognizable state (only the original creator was able to recognize) which really proves how different my work was. It took hours in photoshop to get right. So even if he put hours into the render, and I respect the fact that he did. I still had to put a ton of hard work of my OWN into making this render Penumbra. Also, the render he created is just a generic image of cherry profile keycaps and it really isn't anything special at all. I don't think that anyone actually owns the right to post an image of cherry profile keycaps. I could have taken a picture of my own board and photoshopped the colors if I really wanted to and in hindsight it would have been a better idea. Regardless, it isn't stealing someone's work. Stealing someone's work would be putting my name to GMK Carbon. I put my name to GMK Penumbra which is 100% different and nothing alike. The only thing that is the same in either is the fact that it is a picture of Cherry Profile caps but of completely different colors. That is the single similarity between the two. Otherwise it is 100% different. I don't really know what you are hoping to gain by trying to claim I am stealing in the first place. I am not, and that was not my intention in the first place. Should I have given him credit for creating the render, since I mean he did make it. But in all honesty, it is a deviant work and I really haven't done anything wrong. It is not illegal to photoshop a picture and it is not stealing unless I changed just a pixel and tried to call it mine... I changed the ENTIRE picture. Also the entire argument that I am intentionally stealing and harming his business is completely incorrect. I had no intentions of doing so, I have no intentions of doing so. I am not selling this. I am not making any money off of his render. I will not make any money off of his render. I changed the ENTIRE render to make it 100% different and unrecognizable. I am not selling his work, I am not even selling my own work. I am showing people a picture that has been photoshopped. If you are going to complain about me taking a picture photoshopping it until it is unrecognizable and then trying to blame me for stealing it, then never visit r/photoshopbattles. Anyways, that's my side of the story. Believe what you want, that's up to you. All I can do is say my side of the story.
Post by: MkLovin on Sat, 30 July 2016, 22:38:56
I don't want to read this thread just to find out, how do I get a penumbra set without paying out the ass? I like the gmk set better, but wouldn't mind SA if I have no choice.
Also the whole solarized colorway has been in use elsewhere, applying it to keycaps and acting like no one else can use it would be pretty ignorant.
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Well Bunny is creating the set. He is controlling the market as well by limiting the quantity so I am assuming it will be a higher price due to the fact that it has a huge demand and people will pay out the ass for something like Penumbra.
Post by: techmattr on Sun, 31 July 2016, 02:46:05
For the same reason why Getty images is being sued for $1 billion (http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4vapeh/photographer_suing_getty_images_for_1_billion/).i think the misplaced entitlement rests with those who still believe that you can "own" a colorway. I will support any community-driven group buy that takes comments and input from interested members and incorporates them in the finished product. I appreciate everything bunny, et al have done for the community, but all i see here is thread crapping on an IC that is trying to offer the people what they want.You again?Show ImageShow ImageIt's not really an 'old boys club' mentality when someone very new to the community waltzes in like they've got the biggest dong in town and starts an IC to overtake one of the most sought after colorways to date. This IC is only about misplaced entitlement and instant gratification.
As Meiosis pointed out before with the clash of cultures, most of the animosity in this thread are due to the OP, while being unknown in the GH community, essentially being an internet celebrity in the Reddit mech community, where this IC was also posted (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4ugq69/ic_gmk_solarized_penumbra/) (and met with much more positivity, probably due to he being a more prominent figure over there compared to BunnyLake).
Well that and just straight up taking credit for he renders at first.
(http://i.imgur.com/BieSu8Hh.png) (http://imgur.com/BieSu8H)
(http://i.imgur.com/bTTM1Dqh.png) (http://imgur.com/bTTM1Dq)
To his credit, he did update the post on Reddit;
(http://i.imgur.com/4fqDkzfh.png) (http://imgur.com/4fqDkzf)
I would prefer it if we could all calm down a bit and give him a chance to come back and apologize. (Instead of how he responded on the first few pages of this thread)
Am I the only who doesn't understand why it matters? I mean, it's a picture, right? He just changed the colors to show what it would be. I mean, it's not like he's selling framed pictures of the render. I fail to see how this hurts anyone. I mean, if anything, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Even if something can be used for free, the original author can put down rules on its use. Such as referring to the original and asking permission to use it.
A picture or a render is someone's product of lots of work he or she has put into it. Would you enjoy spending hours on whatever it is you do for work only for someone else to paint it a different color and then call it his own?
Because that is what this is.
Imitation would have been if he himself would have designed and developed a model in software and then render it in a color he wanted. This is (bordering on) stealing someone's hard work.
Aside from the fact that no such rules were posted ANYWHERE by the original owner and not even a watermark was posted on the pictures... It is considered a deviant work in case you are interested. If I photoshop a picture of a dolphin behind Obama it isn't the original photographer's work anymore, it is a completely different work with a different meaning and completely different image. If I apply your logic to the scenario I just mentioned, you would be claiming that a man who photoshops a dolphin behind Obama is indeed stealing. If that is what you are going to contend, I think you should really take a look at your argument again. I changed the colors of the render to an unrecognizable state (only the original creator was able to recognize) which really proves how different my work was. It took hours in photoshop to get right. So even if he put hours into the render, and I respect the fact that he did. I still had to put a ton of hard work of my OWN into making this render Penumbra. Also, the render he created is just a generic image of cherry profile keycaps and it really isn't anything special at all. I don't think that anyone actually owns the right to post an image of cherry profile keycaps. I could have taken a picture of my own board and photoshopped the colors if I really wanted to and in hindsight it would have been a better idea. Regardless, it isn't stealing someone's work. Stealing someone's work would be putting my name to GMK Carbon. I put my name to GMK Penumbra which is 100% different and nothing alike. The only thing that is the same in either is the fact that it is a picture of Cherry Profile caps but of completely different colors. That is the single similarity between the two. Otherwise it is 100% different. I don't really know what you are hoping to gain by trying to claim I am stealing in the first place. I am not, and that was not my intention in the first place. Should I have given him credit for creating the render, since I mean he did make it. But in all honesty, it is a deviant work and I really haven't done anything wrong. It is not illegal to photoshop a picture and it is not stealing unless I changed just a pixel and tried to call it mine... I changed the ENTIRE picture. Also the entire argument that I am intentionally stealing and harming his business is completely incorrect. I had no intentions of doing so, I have no intentions of doing so. I am not selling this. I am not making any money off of his render. I will not make any money off of his render. I changed the ENTIRE render to make it 100% different and unrecognizable. I am not selling his work, I am not even selling my own work. I am showing people a picture that has been photoshopped. If you are going to complain about me taking a picture photoshopping it until it is unrecognizable and then trying to blame me for stealing it, then never visit r/photoshopbattles. Anyways, that's my side of the story. Believe what you want, that's up to you. All I can do is say my side of the story.
Seriously? Honestly dude I've lost all respect for you at this point. Haven't you ever wondered why there are only a couple people that make renders... it's because it's not easy to do. Changing the colors of a picture? Yeah any 5 year old can do that. You didn't change anything in that picture that actually requires any skill. You straight up stole someones work and blatantly tried to take credit and now you're blaming the original artist for not making a post every 30 minutes to remind the entire community to not steal his work... come the F on dude. I know you're young but seriously you haven't shown an ounce of maturity or honesty through any of this.
Post by: MkLovin on Sun, 31 July 2016, 03:58:30
For the same reason why Getty images is being sued for $1 billion (http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/4vapeh/photographer_suing_getty_images_for_1_billion/).i think the misplaced entitlement rests with those who still believe that you can "own" a colorway. I will support any community-driven group buy that takes comments and input from interested members and incorporates them in the finished product. I appreciate everything bunny, et al have done for the community, but all i see here is thread crapping on an IC that is trying to offer the people what they want.You again?Show ImageShow ImageIt's not really an 'old boys club' mentality when someone very new to the community waltzes in like they've got the biggest dong in town and starts an IC to overtake one of the most sought after colorways to date. This IC is only about misplaced entitlement and instant gratification.
As Meiosis pointed out before with the clash of cultures, most of the animosity in this thread are due to the OP, while being unknown in the GH community, essentially being an internet celebrity in the Reddit mech community, where this IC was also posted (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4ugq69/ic_gmk_solarized_penumbra/) (and met with much more positivity, probably due to he being a more prominent figure over there compared to BunnyLake).
Well that and just straight up taking credit for he renders at first.
(http://i.imgur.com/BieSu8Hh.png) (http://imgur.com/BieSu8H)
(http://i.imgur.com/bTTM1Dqh.png) (http://imgur.com/bTTM1Dq)
To his credit, he did update the post on Reddit;
(http://i.imgur.com/4fqDkzfh.png) (http://imgur.com/4fqDkzf)
I would prefer it if we could all calm down a bit and give him a chance to come back and apologize. (Instead of how he responded on the first few pages of this thread)
Am I the only who doesn't understand why it matters? I mean, it's a picture, right? He just changed the colors to show what it would be. I mean, it's not like he's selling framed pictures of the render. I fail to see how this hurts anyone. I mean, if anything, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Even if something can be used for free, the original author can put down rules on its use. Such as referring to the original and asking permission to use it.
A picture or a render is someone's product of lots of work he or she has put into it. Would you enjoy spending hours on whatever it is you do for work only for someone else to paint it a different color and then call it his own?
Because that is what this is.
Imitation would have been if he himself would have designed and developed a model in software and then render it in a color he wanted. This is (bordering on) stealing someone's hard work.
Aside from the fact that no such rules were posted ANYWHERE by the original owner and not even a watermark was posted on the pictures... It is considered a deviant work in case you are interested. If I photoshop a picture of a dolphin behind Obama it isn't the original photographer's work anymore, it is a completely different work with a different meaning and completely different image. If I apply your logic to the scenario I just mentioned, you would be claiming that a man who photoshops a dolphin behind Obama is indeed stealing. If that is what you are going to contend, I think you should really take a look at your argument again. I changed the colors of the render to an unrecognizable state (only the original creator was able to recognize) which really proves how different my work was. It took hours in photoshop to get right. So even if he put hours into the render, and I respect the fact that he did. I still had to put a ton of hard work of my OWN into making this render Penumbra. Also, the render he created is just a generic image of cherry profile keycaps and it really isn't anything special at all. I don't think that anyone actually owns the right to post an image of cherry profile keycaps. I could have taken a picture of my own board and photoshopped the colors if I really wanted to and in hindsight it would have been a better idea. Regardless, it isn't stealing someone's work. Stealing someone's work would be putting my name to GMK Carbon. I put my name to GMK Penumbra which is 100% different and nothing alike. The only thing that is the same in either is the fact that it is a picture of Cherry Profile caps but of completely different colors. That is the single similarity between the two. Otherwise it is 100% different. I don't really know what you are hoping to gain by trying to claim I am stealing in the first place. I am not, and that was not my intention in the first place. Should I have given him credit for creating the render, since I mean he did make it. But in all honesty, it is a deviant work and I really haven't done anything wrong. It is not illegal to photoshop a picture and it is not stealing unless I changed just a pixel and tried to call it mine... I changed the ENTIRE picture. Also the entire argument that I am intentionally stealing and harming his business is completely incorrect. I had no intentions of doing so, I have no intentions of doing so. I am not selling this. I am not making any money off of his render. I will not make any money off of his render. I changed the ENTIRE render to make it 100% different and unrecognizable. I am not selling his work, I am not even selling my own work. I am showing people a picture that has been photoshopped. If you are going to complain about me taking a picture photoshopping it until it is unrecognizable and then trying to blame me for stealing it, then never visit r/photoshopbattles. Anyways, that's my side of the story. Believe what you want, that's up to you. All I can do is say my side of the story.
Seriously? Honestly dude I've lost all respect for you at this point. Haven't you ever wondered why there are only a couple people that make renders... it's because it's not easy to do. Changing the colors of a picture? Yeah any 5 year old can do that. You didn't change anything in that picture that actually requires any skill. You straight up stole someones work and blatantly tried to take credit and now you're blaming the original artist for not making a post every 30 minutes to remind the entire community to not steal his work... come the F on dude. I know you're young but seriously you haven't shown an ounce of maturity or honesty through any of this.
Wait a second, I haven't showed any maturity or honesty? What the ****? I admitted 100% what I did and that is an honest and mature thing to do. I could have not mentioned it and never responded but I choose to edit the post, PM the artist and make it abundantly clear what the situation was. I don't blame him at all for not making a post every 30 minutes but I got **** for ignoring his warnings and I wanted to make it clear, there were none. Also you are making it sound like he poured hundreds of hours into this render and I am just ripping it from him and re-branding it as mine. I did change the colors of a picture but that changes literally the entire picture, the meaning of the picture and what the picture is supposed to do. It changes EVERY aspect of the picture and its purpose. It goes from being a render for a GMK Carbon set to a render of a GMK Penumbra set. There is not a single person who will look at the picture of GMK Penumbra and say "Wow what a great picture of GMK Carbon." For the simple fact that it is no longer GMK Carbon and it is something new entirely. I don't think that those are similar at all and if you handed someone a render of GMK Carbon when they wanted Penumbra they would be really disappointed. My point is, photoshopping does take time and effort. It may take a little bit less than creating a render but it still takes time to do. It still takes effort to do. If you are saying that putting time, effort and dedication into a picture are not enough to qualify it as a deviant work then what does make something deviant?
If you want honest here we go bud:
Should I have credited the artist, yes. I should have. But am I STEALING 100% and ripping his hard work off and calling it my own? No.
That is the distinction I am trying to make. Yes I was wrong to some degree, but I did put time and effort in to change the work and make it completely different which does change a lot about the whole "stealing" debate. It also changes the fact that I am not just taking his work as is and calling it mine.
If you want to put this into different terms here is what I am saying with my argument and my defense:
You are saying that I copied a paragraph from a textbook and put it into my essay.
I am saying that I used an idea from the textbook, put them into my own words and put them into the essay to further a different point of my own and strengthen my argument. So the work is being used in a completely different way, in a new form, and is unrecognizable from the original.
Should I have still credited the author? Yes. But am I copying 100% and stealing directly from someone else, no. What I did was a simple mistake of not crediting an author.
As for your comment on my honesty and maturity I feel as if that is quite rude and baseless.
I made a mistake. That much is true. Everyone makes mistakes and I am not saying that it is okay to make mistakes but I tried to deal with my mistake in the best way possible:
I admitted my mistake and was honest about it. I attempted to fix my mistake by editing my post and contacting the artist. I did what I should have done and I feel as if there is not much more I could have done. I forgot to credit the artist. It isn't the best thing in the world but it also won't ruin his reputation, steal any business from him or harm him in any way. Yet despite doing all I can to better my mistake and right my wrongs, I am still getting nasty comments about how I am stealing. I do not know what more you could possibly want from me in this situation. What else is a respectful and mature person to do? And in what other ways have I attempted to deceive the public?
You are judging my entire character based off of a single mistake which happens to be in a grey area. I feel as if that is unfair to me, as I have done everything in my power to fix my mistake. I also honored my word with Bunny after receiving proof that the set is being run. I have been open and honest about the entire process including my mistake. I have received nothing but attacks on my character for my mistake and yes, it does bother me after a while. I am not a dishonest person. I try to be transparent and be a active and helpful member of the community. I help out constantly on the subreddit, I recently did a stream so people could learn how to build keyboards, I built keyboard for free for a while but I had to start charging recently which is unfortunate, however, I do not feel as if I am a dishonest person. You are judging me 100% off of the one mistake I have ever made. A mistake which happens to be in a huge grey area. A mistake that didn't bring real harm to anyone but myself.
Post by: Capmerica on Sun, 31 July 2016, 06:01:26
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Post by: effectiveduck on Sun, 31 July 2016, 06:53:17
Dude, just leave the topic owner alone. It is true that he used the picture without the permission of the creator. However, he isn't making any money from it, and he has already apologized. Again, he just want people to have an idea what the set may look like.
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Yea your right! Uploading movies/music/tv shows/games/programs online is legal as long as your not making any money
Post by: feralfoo on Sun, 31 July 2016, 07:02:55
Don't mind the haters, just make this happen :thumb:
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Sun, 31 July 2016, 07:09:56
Please include pro modifiers and different space bar lengths, see the GMK Carbon thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79693.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79693.0)) for an excellent base kit.
Don't mind the haters, just make this happen :thumb:
You guys are getting comical at this point
Post by: bocahgundul on Sun, 31 July 2016, 07:56:21
Post by: xondat on Sun, 31 July 2016, 07:59:39
R5 modifiers,hhkb and 1800 layout supports pls
You guys are getting comical at this point
Post by: HannahPeach on Sun, 31 July 2016, 08:17:19
Dude, just leave the topic owner alone. It is true that he used the picture without the permission of the creator. However, he isn't making any money from it, and he has already apologized. Again, he just want people to have an idea what the set may look like.
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Yea your right! Uploading movies/music/tv shows/games/programs online is legal as long as your not making any money
I think he's trying to get at what is called "fair use", no?
Post by: effectiveduck on Sun, 31 July 2016, 08:20:56
Dude, just leave the topic owner alone. It is true that he used the picture without the permission of the creator. However, he isn't making any money from it, and he has already apologized. Again, he just want people to have an idea what the set may look like.
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Yea your right! Uploading movies/music/tv shows/games/programs online is legal as long as your not making any money
I think he's trying to get at what is called "fair use", no?
Nope, OPs use is straight plagiarism.
Post by: Spopepro on Sun, 31 July 2016, 12:40:57
Dude, just leave the topic owner alone. It is true that he used the picture without the permission of the creator. However, he isn't making any money from it, and he has already apologized. Again, he just want people to have an idea what the set may look like.
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Yea your right! Uploading movies/music/tv shows/games/programs online is legal as long as your not making any money
I think he's trying to get at what is called "fair use", no?
Nope, OPs use is straight plagiarism.
Which only applies to words and ideas. It's odd, if not incorrect, to apply that word here.
I would strongly suggest this be locked at this point since OP says IC is over, and the denizens of GH, and visitors from abroad, are doing little to distinguish themselves with further discourse.
Post by: techmattr on Sun, 31 July 2016, 14:53:45
Dude, just leave the topic owner alone. It is true that he used the picture without the permission of the creator. However, he isn't making any money from it, and he has already apologized. Again, he just want people to have an idea what the set may look like.
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Yea your right! Uploading movies/music/tv shows/games/programs online is legal as long as your not making any money
I think he's trying to get at what is called "fair use", no?
Fair use doesn't apply when a) you don't give credit and b) when the secondary use is identical to the original use. Fair use only exists as "to comment upon, criticize, or parody a copyrighted work" without original consent. You can't edit it and use it. That's not fair use it's copyright infringement. MkLovin has 0 concept of intellectual property nor does he care. In his fake apology he shifts as much blame away from him as he possibly can even on to the original artist. What a joke. That line of thinking is so unbelievably selfish and immature. It disgusts me.
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You are judging my entire character based off of a single mistake which happens to be in a grey area.
a) It wasn't a mistake since you blatantly took credit for something you didn't do multiple times.
b) It's not even remotely close to being a grey area. It is without a doubt 100% copyright infringement.
Post by: muon on Sun, 31 July 2016, 15:28:32
MkLovin, you should probably just back off now, there's really no need for you to keep pushing this matter, no good will come of it.
And again thanks Bunny for continuing to run GBs despite the few in our community that make it less pleasant to do so <3