I personally enjoy the typing experience that cherry profiles offers the most. Looks wise though, I'd have to go with DSA! :thumb:
List hasn't got Model M keycaps :p
I like Model M keycaps.
Visually: DSA.
Typing: Cherry.
Honourable mention to stock Topre caps for being solid though.
I prefer Topre. Cherry-profile is also good, though. As is IBM :).
The only thing I really can't stand is non-sculpted flat profiles, like dsa and all-r3 sa.
I like cherry, and I like OEM, but I LOVE what varmilo does. I wish I could get more caps in whatever that profile is. I'm waiting on Overcast and Jukebox to ship so I can try those profiles out as well.
SA and DSA. They are the only profiles I (willingly) type on.
I personally enjoy the typing experience that cherry profiles offers the most. Looks wise though, I'd have to go with DSA! :thumb:
I hope i get my hands on some gmks soon :)) waiting for penumbra to drop! Rip wallet.List hasn't got Model M keycaps :p
I like Model M keycaps.
What profile do model m keycaps have mate? I like the colorway tho :)
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SA and DSA. They are the only profiles I (willingly) type on.
So the height of SA doesnt affect your typing then? what caps do you have mate? :D
I personally enjoy the typing experience that cherry profiles offers the most. Looks wise though, I'd have to go with DSA! :thumb:
I hope i get my hands on some gmks soon :)) waiting for penumbra to drop! Rip wallet.List hasn't got Model M keycaps :p
I like Model M keycaps.
What profile do model m keycaps have mate? I like the colorway tho :)
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Similar to OEM, except it is the plate that is curved and all keycaps are the same height.
SA and DSA. They are the only profiles I (willingly) type on.
So the height of SA doesnt affect your typing then? what caps do you have mate? :D
It did at first because I wasn't used to such a high profile, but it didn't take that long to grow accustomed to them. I have Round 4 SPH on my board at work and PuLSE on my board at home. I have Granite on my Pok3r at work, and Dolch DSA on my Pok3r at home.
I personally enjoy the typing experience that cherry profiles offers the most. Looks wise though, I'd have to go with DSA! :thumb:
I hope i get my hands on some gmks soon :)) waiting for penumbra to drop! Rip wallet.List hasn't got Model M keycaps :p
I like Model M keycaps.
What profile do model m keycaps have mate? I like the colorway tho :)
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Similar to OEM, except it is the plate that is curved and all keycaps are the same height.
I see, yeah i saw a Model M plate, i was amazed that it was curve. i never knew the caps had the same height tho.
can you post some shots of the profile? i want to compile them for future reference TIA. ;D
I personally enjoy the typing experience that cherry profiles offers the most. Looks wise though, I'd have to go with DSA! :thumb:
I hope i get my hands on some gmks soon :)) waiting for penumbra to drop! Rip wallet.List hasn't got Model M keycaps :p
I like Model M keycaps.
What profile do model m keycaps have mate? I like the colorway tho :)
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Similar to OEM, except it is the plate that is curved and all keycaps are the same height.
I see, yeah i saw a Model M plate, i was amazed that it was curve. i never knew the caps had the same height tho.
can you post some shots of the profile? i want to compile them for future reference TIA. ;D
Not my pic, but:
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Linked from Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/wiki/keycap_guides#wiki_key_profile
Anything with homing bars.
Anything with homing bars.
Could you please elaborate more on those homing bars? Im not familiar with those :(
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What are your issues with the DSA and DCS caps? I've never tried them and I understand some don't like SA because of how tall they are but DCS should be close to Cherry or OEM, right? What about DSA?
I totally agree with granite working better on poker (mine is mx clear). i tried putting mine on my b.face (gateron reds) and they totally feel weird. they feel like a laptop's keyboard.Show Image(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DWrXON9QP7Q/V6k77i3_EZI/AAAAAAAAJp8/Rlu92nmaDIIDkgyJjUjxThUPMh_VSxOqwCLcB/s1600/2016-08-07%2B10.27.55%2B1.jpg)
I might try my Granite on my varmilo va87 if it works.
P.S. granite keycaps are PBT right? why arent the sides rough? mine was from the 2nd batch
I totally agree with granite working better on poker (mine is mx clear). i tried putting mine on my b.face (gateron reds) and they totally feel weird. they feel like a laptop's keyboard.Show Image(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DWrXON9QP7Q/V6k77i3_EZI/AAAAAAAAJp8/Rlu92nmaDIIDkgyJjUjxThUPMh_VSxOqwCLcB/s1600/2016-08-07%2B10.27.55%2B1.jpg)
I might try my Granite on my varmilo va87 if it works.
P.S. granite keycaps are PBT right? why arent the sides rough? mine was from the 2nd batch
If I was to ever try DSA..
I totally agree with granite working better on poker (mine is mx clear). i tried putting mine on my b.face (gateron reds) and they totally feel weird. they feel like a laptop's keyboard.Show Image(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DWrXON9QP7Q/V6k77i3_EZI/AAAAAAAAJp8/Rlu92nmaDIIDkgyJjUjxThUPMh_VSxOqwCLcB/s1600/2016-08-07%2B10.27.55%2B1.jpg)
I might try my Granite on my varmilo va87 if it works.
P.S. granite keycaps are PBT right? why arent the sides rough? mine was from the 2nd batch
Typing + Visually + Fingertip feel => SA profile 11234(3/4)
Just typing => Cherry
Hate but they're ok on my portable 60% or 70% keyboards => DSA or SA Uniform Row 3
I totally agree with granite working better on poker (mine is mx clear). i tried putting mine on my b.face (gateron reds) and they totally feel weird. they feel like a laptop's keyboard.Show Image(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DWrXON9QP7Q/V6k77i3_EZI/AAAAAAAAJp8/Rlu92nmaDIIDkgyJjUjxThUPMh_VSxOqwCLcB/s1600/2016-08-07%2B10.27.55%2B1.jpg)
I might try my Granite on my varmilo va87 if it works.
P.S. granite keycaps are PBT right? why arent the sides rough? mine was from the 2nd batch
Granite on a Pok3r FTW!
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DSA and SA keycaps are "semi-gloss" smooth on the sides, even if the tops have a matte finish (as with DSA).
I normally prefer cherry, but i just picked up a set of DSA caps and im liking them. They make my ergos feel heavier but smoother.
I normally prefer cherry, but i just picked up a set of DSA caps and im liking them. They make my ergos feel heavier but smoother.
:thumb: yeah DSA on my clears feel too heavy for me tho. i havent tried modding them to ergos, what springs do you use?
Im dying to try out some cherry profile caps now.
the SA feels solid even though im not too fond with the height. i might get 2nd hand SA caps tho haha
Looks like I ought to try cherry profile... Might be a good excuse to pick up a MX Blue switch keyboard
Can't beat cherry profile, its the best
Looks like I ought to try cherry profile... Might be a good excuse to pick up a MX Blue switch keyboard
Cherry profile keycaps on almost any keyboard/switch is an improvement.
I normally prefer cherry, but i just picked up a set of DSA caps and im liking them. They make my ergos feel heavier but smoother.
:thumb: yeah DSA on my clears feel too heavy for me tho. i havent tried modding them to ergos, what springs do you use?
62g gold koreans
Can't beat cherry profile, its the bestLooks like I ought to try cherry profile... Might be a good excuse to pick up a MX Blue switch keyboard
Cherry profile keycaps on almost any keyboard/switch is an improvement.
Can you guys send me some cherry caps? lemme try them out please! ;DI normally prefer cherry, but i just picked up a set of DSA caps and im liking them. They make my ergos feel heavier but smoother.
:thumb: yeah DSA on my clears feel too heavy for me tho. i havent tried modding them to ergos, what springs do you use?
62g gold koreans
From sprit? how do they compare to 62g-65g zeals? :D im choosing between those switches for my next project
my only concern with mx clear's stem is the size, they are thicker than other stems (my own observation). My granite set feels a tad bit loose on other switches.
Can't beat cherry profile, its the bestLooks like I ought to try cherry profile... Might be a good excuse to pick up a MX Blue switch keyboard
Cherry profile keycaps on almost any keyboard/switch is an improvement.
Can you guys send me some cherry caps? lemme try them out please! ;DI normally prefer cherry, but i just picked up a set of DSA caps and im liking them. They make my ergos feel heavier but smoother.
:thumb: yeah DSA on my clears feel too heavy for me tho. i havent tried modding them to ergos, what springs do you use?
62g gold koreans
From sprit? how do they compare to 62g-65g zeals? :D im choosing between those switches for my next project
my only concern with mx clear's stem is the size, they are thicker than other stems (my own observation). My granite set feels a tad bit loose on other switches.
All I can say about Zealios is that they are nothing close to Cherry clears, they feel different, not necessarily in a bad, the first are extremely light with pretty much no bump, while clears feel solid and with a crisp bump.
But Cherry caps are cylindrical... ewwwwwwwwwww... :-\
Flat caps are even worse than cylindrical!
But Cherry caps are cylindrical... ewwwwwwwwwww... :-\
You prefer flat caps?
i think oems also have Cylindrical tops and it doesnt bother me one bit.
currently using my ducky shine 2 for typing with ABS OEM keycaps (because my mx clears on poker just doesnt let me type for longer hours)
But Cherry caps are cylindrical... ewwwwwwwwwww... :-\
You prefer flat caps?
i think oems also have Cylindrical tops and it doesnt bother me one bit.
currently using my ducky shine 2 for typing with ABS OEM keycaps (because my mx clears on poker just doesnt let me type for longer hours)
Seriously flat keycaps only have a place on Laptops, they feel oh so wrong on normal keyboards.
The difference in surface area between cylindrical and spherical is so miniscule that I doubt it makes any noticeable difference to 99% of users. And in my case, I have small hands and excellent touch typing skills; I don't feel any performance difference between the two. So I go with the vastly superior look of spherical over cylindrical.
Cylindrical profiles provide larger typing areas, while spherical made them smaller, being the main difference their appearance. The prevalence of the first over spherical speak for itself that cylindrical tops provide a more typing friendly surface. Spherical sets tend to be more popular within keyboard aficionados because they are not available in stock keyboards and they may look more interesting; but, truth be told, cylindrical key caps are more comfortable for typing, the lower profile of Cherry when compared with SA makes the MX switches to work at its best, SA make them to feel wobbly.
The difference in surface area between cylindrical and spherical is so miniscule that I doubt it makes any noticeable difference to 99% of users. And in my case, I have small hands and excellent touch typing skills; I don't feel any performance difference between the two. So I go with the vastly superior look of spherical over cylindrical.
AFAIK IBM made the switch from spherical to cylindrical to enlarge the area for legends.
The difference in surface area between cylindrical and spherical is so miniscule that I doubt it makes any noticeable difference to 99% of users. And in my case, I have small hands and excellent touch typing skills; I don't feel any performance difference between the two. So I go with the vastly superior look of spherical over cylindrical.
I'll be honest. Even being on SA caps for months now, I can still feel the surface area difference between them and cylindrical (OEM) caps. I'm getting more used to SA caps but the difference is definitely there. Maybe I am the 1% in this though I'd really be surprised at that.
Maybe I am the 1% in this though I'd really be surprised at that.
Waiting on Hana for my first non-DCS profile, but so far, I like anything that has sharp corners
Waiting on Hana for my first non-DCS profile, but so far, I like anything that has sharp corners
Hey mate!
OHH is that for a 68key? That would look awesome! those are abs right? nevertheless welcome to the DSA club :thumb:
I have a DCS esc key and its pretty close to Step-sculpture 2 so i like it :D
I'm getting my first DCS keyset soon. I'm guessing it feels the same as cherry
Waiting on Hana for my first non-DCS profile, but so far, I like anything that has sharp corners
Hey mate!
OHH is that for a 68key? That would look awesome! those are abs right? nevertheless welcome to the DSA club :thumb:
I have a DCS esc key and its pretty close to Step-sculpture 2 so i like it :D
Nah, ATM I only have an unfinished 60% and an RS84. The 68 was going to be something I get later on. And correct, Hana is ABS. I never really understood the term step sculpture 2, what does that even mean?
I really want to try out the SA but most of my keyboards have floating layout which scares me coz they might wobble allot.
I really want to try out the SA but most of my keyboards have floating layout which scares me coz they might wobble allot.
I once tried PuLSE on my Pok3r at work, just as an experiment, and I didn't notice any exaggerated wobbling. However, the keys were just too tall for that board; they just didn't feel right. I have Granite on it instead (and Dolch DSA on my Pok3r at home).
I love SA, but not on everything...
Maybe I am the 1% in this though I'd really be surprised at that.
Yeah, I imagine you are in the 1%. I highly recommend adapting to spherical sometime before Dasher arrives though. ;D
Of the 35 years I've been typing on computer (or terminal) keyboards, I've probably been typing on cylindrical keycaps for around 30 of them. You'd think I'd really notice the difference in surface area, but for whatever reason my fingers are not sensitive to that. Profile height is a far more dramatic element of differentiation, and getting used to SA for me had nothing whatever to do with the shape of the tops and everything to do with the height of the caps.
Getting used to DSA required no adaptation on my part; they feel so much like OEM caps that there was no period of adustment.
The difference in feel between OEM and Cherry is practically only in height, Cherry being about 1-2 mm shorter. That is little enough that not everyone feels a difference.
The difference in feel between OEM and Cherry is practically only in height, Cherry being about 1-2 mm shorter. That is little enough that not everyone feels a difference.
Honestly, I'm not sure how anyone with working fingers could NOT feel a difference...virtually impossible. Now subjectively could you say some may not notice enough of a difference to care? Sure. But not notice any difference at all?..I just don't see how that's possible honestly.
DSA looks good in pictures but looks ugly in person IMO, and typing is mediocre.
Ever since i transferred my DSA keycaps on a lighter switch (gateron browns) ive regretted every second of my typing experience.
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I assure you that this looks as good in person as it does in the photo. Furthermore, I find the typing experience superior to that of the SS2 keycaps that originally came on the board.
DSA...so flat, might as well type on a laptop. The ones I prefer are IMHO properly sculpted without being un-ergonomic.
I use MX reds exclusively and find them a joy to type on, even (especially?) with SA/DSA keycaps.
IMO, MX browns are a mistake regardless of the keycap style, so I wouldn't blame the keycaps for a s****y typing experience there. Hell, I'm interested in finding a satisfying tactile switch experience too, but since beamsprings are out of the question, my next (and only) choice is Topre with MX sliders. That RealForce MX board can't get here fast enough for me...
call me basic but I like OEM profile, ever since I got my vortex double shot pbt's I cant stop typing on my keyboard for fun lol
but the most important one, for typing, is how thin the walls are, because that translates into weight that accounts for the tactility feedbackDubious.
but the most important one, for typing, is how thin the walls are, because that translates into weight that accounts for the tactility feedbackDubious.
The difference between common 1u keycaps (other than SA) is at most ~1 g, which is within margin of error even on relatively low-force switches (say ~50 g). In case of large caps, it partially depends on stabilization mechanism—actual problems with SA spacebars on ergo clears are a real thing.
I dare say the perceived difference in weight/tactility (on 1u keys) is caused entirely by the sound of typing. Want to prove me wrong? Properly administered blind&deaf test. I've tried and failed.
Note that I do agree about density/thickness' impact on amplification of switch sound.
once you go cherry, you never go back
Lucky for me I don't mind the differences between SA and DSA on MX red switches. I like them both just fine.
Is there some wobble with SA caps? Sure. Does it bother me? No; I'm too focused on what I'm typing to even notice.
Is there a difference in sound and feel between SA and DSA? Sure. Does it bother me? No; I like the difference, sort of like the difference between sweet and salty. I even like going back and forth between them during the course of a day.
Full disclosure: I only like MX red switches (and Topre too, I guess, but they need to accept MX keycaps before I'll ever use them), I only like 45cN of spring force, and I only like spherical topped keycaps in vintage terminal colorways. So I guess you could say I am as much a Princess bothered by that Pea as the rest of you guys. But not only do I not care about the differences that material, height, and thickness present, I embrace them for the interesting diversity in (slightly different) typing experiences they offer.
At the end of the day, we like what we like, and data sheets and ergonomic studies aren't going to change that for any of us. Nor are technical (and psudo-technical) rationales going to convince us to like or dislike something we don't already like or dislike.
Lucky for me I don't mind the differences between SA and DSA on MX red switches. I like them both just fine.
Is there some wobble with SA caps? Sure. Does it bother me? No; I'm too focused on what I'm typing to even notice.
Is there a difference in sound and feel between SA and DSA? Sure. Does it bother me? No; I like the difference, sort of like the difference between sweet and salty. I even like going back and forth between them during the course of a day.
Full disclosure: I only like MX red switches (and Topre too, I guess, but they need to accept MX keycaps before I'll ever use them), I only like 45cN of spring force, and I only like spherical topped keycaps in vintage terminal colorways. So I guess you could say I am as much a Princess bothered by that Pea as the rest of you guys. But not only do I not care about the differences that material, height, and thickness present, I embrace them for the interesting diversity in (slightly different) typing experiences they offer.
At the end of the day, we like what we like, and data sheets and ergonomic studies aren't going to change that for any of us. Nor are technical (and psudo-technical) rationales going to convince us to like or dislike something we don't already like or dislike.
What about incline on a keyboard with DSA? My board is on a negative incline (highest at the space bar) as I've got the front sitting on a wrist rest. With OEM and SA, it seems pretty good. Curious to see how that's going to go with something flat like DSA.
Rage. So much rage right now :))
I like cherry most. Don't like SA or DSA, it's a pity as many beautiful keysets are in SA profile.
I think that i type most efficiently on DSA and like the look of the low profile. For just casual typing i enjoy SA because of how smooth they are. I will be getting some GMK caps next month and i have a feeling i will like the cherry profile the most.
Now that I'm gaming on my PC again rather heavily and using the numbers + WASD cluster, I'm starting to wonder what profile I'll prefer. I've got the DSA caps but have yet to put them on. The kids wanted to do it with me and we just haven't had time to do so. Then I've got GMK caps coming in with the Skeletor buy.
Right now I've been gaming with the SA caps and I'll admit it's taken some getting used to even after I was used to typing on them and doing a bit of gaming for a while playing Dishonored + Xpacs not too long ago.
Should be interesting to test through them all.
Now that I'm gaming on my PC again rather heavily and using the numbers + WASD cluster, I'm starting to wonder what profile I'll prefer. I've got the DSA caps but have yet to put them on. The kids wanted to do it with me and we just haven't had time to do so. Then I've got GMK caps coming in with the Skeletor buy.
Right now I've been gaming with the SA caps and I'll admit it's taken some getting used to even after I was used to typing on them and doing a bit of gaming for a while playing Dishonored + Xpacs not too long ago.
Should be interesting to test through them all.
Hope to hear from you soon about that, still waiting for the gmk plum GB
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...am not so hot on the texture.
...am not so hot on the texture.
That's interesting. The texture of PBT keycaps is half the reason ppl around here go gaga for them.
So far I like Cherry and Topre's (which I believe are similar to Cherry's). I have yet to try DSA since I new to the community, but slowly trying to find a solid DSA set.
So far I like Cherry and Topre's (which I believe are similar to Cherry's). I have yet to try DSA since I new to the community, but slowly trying to find a solid DSA set.
solid, a good DSA set? :thumb:
If you meant solid literally, I am afraid that I have to report to you that there is no such thing as a solid DSA set, those key caps are manufactured with thin walls, that makes them light and hollow, even weak, but by no means solid.
So far I like Cherry and Topre's (which I believe are similar to Cherry's). I have yet to try DSA since I new to the community, but slowly trying to find a solid DSA set.
solid, a good DSA set? :thumb:
If you meant solid literally, I am afraid that I have to report to you that there is no such thing as a solid DSA set, those key caps are manufactured with thin walls, that makes them light and hollow, even weak, but by no means solid.
arent the abs DSA sets thick enough for you sir?
For pbt DSA, they are too thin for my taste. But they sure look awesome :D
I think DSA is the same thickness in both materials, isn't? The look is good though, but I really do not need key caps to stare at them. :))
I think DSA is the same thickness in both materials, isn't? The look is good though, but I really do not need key caps to stare at them. :))
I dont think so. I have an SA sample cap and its quite decent compared to PBT DSA.
hope someone can shed some light as to how thick/thin ABS DSA are. :))
I think DSA is the same thickness in both materials, isn't? The look is good though, but I really do not need key caps to stare at them. :))
I dont think so. I have an SA sample cap and its quite decent compared to PBT DSA.
hope someone can shed some light as to how thick/thin ABS DSA are. :))
Are you comparing SA with DSA? They are different profiles and they are produced with different molds, they are really not related, I had DSA key caps in both materials and they seem very similar in thickness, ...
I had this set, an Skull Squadron in ABS DSA and the key caps were exactly the same thickness as the Granite, that I also had.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dUE7njC.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sxMdCmm.jpg)
I love that called cherry profile or old triumph alder cherry
My vote goes to DSA. Been using a JD45 with DSA for a few weeks as my daily driver, replacing a full size Ducky Shine 3. I don't think I ever wanna go back.
So far, probably Cherry/GMK profile. I've got Blank PBT keycaps in Cherry profile on my KC60, and they're awesome.
I LOVE SA! i would love to try DSA one day.
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So far, probably Cherry/GMK profile. I've got Blank PBT keycaps in Cherry profile on my KC60, and they're awesome.
Yeah, as far as im concerned Cherry profile caps especially GMK's are the bomb but i havent actually tried/tested/compared those with PBT or other ABS keycaps, but i definitely need a set, you could check out the [IC] i have on my signature :DI LOVE SA! i would love to try DSA one day.
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Do you have SA keycaps? they look pretty awesome to me on any angle and they actually feel pretty solid compared to thicker PBT caps, but unfortunately they are a bit too tall/high for my preference.
I do however have DSA caps which looks nice (spherical like SA) and feel nice (PBT Granite) but are significantly thin compared to any other keycap out there. Well as I've read from SP's FAQs, it is because at that time when they were making the molds for DSA/SA keysets they wanted to decrease cost by making the walls of the caps thinner but doesnt affect the overall structure of the keycap. :thumb:
Currently am typing on the board in my sig (1976). Sadly not True SA (I sold my Pulse set to pay for the build :p) but am trying to save up to get in on godspeed. Sidenote, anyone know if I can get some of those "replica" Mito artisans?
Currently am typing on the board in my sig (1976). Sadly not True SA (I sold my Pulse set to pay for the build :p) but am trying to save up to get in on godspeed. Sidenote, anyone know if I can get some of those "replica" Mito artisans?
You sold some your pulse set? But why? haha!
Mito's new set looks great but it doesnt really appeal to me because of the SA profile :D goodluck looking for those mate :thumb:
Currently am typing on the board in my sig (1976). Sadly not True SA (I sold my Pulse set to pay for the build :p) but am trying to save up to get in on godspeed. Sidenote, anyone know if I can get some of those "replica" Mito artisans?
You sold some your pulse set? But why? haha!
Mito's new set looks great but it doesnt really appeal to me because of the SA profile :D goodluck looking for those mate :thumb:
Tex alu Blue case, LeandreN HHKB plate, BFACE PCB and 1976 all paid for by ONE keyset? Worth. It.
Currently am typing on the board in my sig (1976). Sadly not True SA (I sold my Pulse set to pay for the build :p) but am trying to save up to get in on godspeed. Sidenote, anyone know if I can get some of those "replica" Mito artisans?
You sold some your pulse set? But why? haha!
Mito's new set looks great but it doesnt really appeal to me because of the SA profile :D goodluck looking for those mate :thumb:
Tex alu Blue case, LeandreN HHKB plate, BFACE PCB and 1976 all paid for by ONE keyset? Worth. It.
awww thats a pretty sweet deal you got there :D
I still want to own/try an entire SA keyset tho, hopefully soon :thumb:
Cherry ABS and OEM (Ducky) PBT are solid all-around choices for me.
SA is great for typing but the high profile didn't work so well for playing WoW.
DSA ABS wasn't bad as a profile but the texture was a bit annoying. Might try PBT DSA in the future, though my wife's already getting annoyed with the number of sets I've got.
I would love a sculptured spherical set that remains thick but isn't so high profile like SA to try out. Might end up being a great combination of DSA and SA things that I like.
SA keycaps are made for keypunch machines.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P91aBHm.jpg)
SA keycaps are made for keypunch machines.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P91aBHm.jpg)
Those must have had stiff switches.
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SA keycaps are made for keypunch machines.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P91aBHm.jpg)
Those must have had stiff switches.
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What about TTY?Show Image(http://www.smecc.org/ultratec/vip_co8.jpg)
SA keycaps are made for keypunch machines.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P91aBHm.jpg)
Those must have had stiff switches.
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What about TTY?Show Image(http://www.smecc.org/ultratec/vip_co8.jpg)
Wow! This would be the first 40% keyboard, with no other choice in key caps but SA.
Its been awhile since i posted here coz i was held up doing my IC on GMK black lotus...
What are your thoughts on the typewriter keycaps? What profile are those in? Uniform OEMs?Cherry ABS and OEM (Ducky) PBT are solid all-around choices for me.
SA is great for typing but the high profile didn't work so well for playing WoW.
DSA ABS wasn't bad as a profile but the texture was a bit annoying. Might try PBT DSA in the future, though my wife's already getting annoyed with the number of sets I've got.
I would love a sculptured spherical set that remains thick but isn't so high profile like SA to try out. Might end up being a great combination of DSA and SA things that I like.
Uniform r3 SA seems interesting.
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The outer shells of DSA and SA are virtually identical (I'm comparing my Granite ESC key with my Round 4 SPH ESCAPE key). Of course, all that extra plastic from a double-shot legend will give a keycap more heft, so if you're comparing dyesub DSA to double-shot SA, you're comparing apples and oranges, in a way.
The outer shells of DSA and SA are virtually identical (I'm comparing my Granite ESC key with my Round 4 SPH ESCAPE key). Of course, all that extra plastic from a double-shot legend will give a keycap more heft, so if you're comparing dyesub DSA to double-shot SA, you're comparing apples and oranges, in a way.
I've only got doubleshot caps for both DSA and SA. I was more comparing the side walls of the two with SA being a bit thicker.
I don't really get why they still use the old molds.
I don't really get why they still use the old molds.
New molds are about $6000 each, IIRC. Multiply that by each size you'd want in each of the two new row profiles and that's SP's up-front cost. Someone would have to find a way to convince them that there would be enough demand for sculpted DSA to warrant that capital expense.
Maybe try to convince Devlin to make their K series sculptured?
The K series is a "uniform row 3" keyset just like DSA, right? If so, they wouldn't have to throw away anything. They would just add row 1 and row 2 molds to the row 3 molds they already have (and use row 2 for row 4 like SA does if they want to save some money).
The K series is a "uniform row 3" keyset just like DSA, right? If so, they wouldn't have to throw away anything. They would just add row 1 and row 2 molds to the row 3 molds they already have (and use row 2 for row 4 like SA does if they want to save some money).
3 new molds would cost between $15000 and $20000, all to appeal to some enthusiasts while Devlin makes a penny for every keycap they churn out.
Not worth it from a business perspective.
The K series is a "uniform row 3" keyset just like DSA, right? If so, they wouldn't have to throw away anything. They would just add row 1 and row 2 molds to the row 3 molds they already have (and use row 2 for row 4 like SA does if they want to save some money).
3 new molds would cost between $15000 and $20000, all to appeal to some enthusiasts while Devlin makes a penny for every keycap they churn out.
Not worth it from a business perspective.
The community could donate the amount for the molds, assuming we can trust him enough with that amount of cash.
The K series is a "uniform row 3" keyset just like DSA, right? If so, they wouldn't have to throw away anything. They would just add row 1 and row 2 molds to the row 3 molds they already have (and use row 2 for row 4 like SA does if they want to save some money).
3 new molds...
A Kickstarter campaign would be an interesting possibility for a known manufacturer. The question is then if Devlin or some other cap maker is up for it. Just imagine GMK with that kind of profile. It would open them up to the spherical crowd.
Okay, that's a pretty big dream sequence right there. Back to reality.
The K series is a "uniform row 3" keyset just like DSA, right? If so, they wouldn't have to throw away anything. They would just add row 1 and row 2 molds to the row 3 molds they already have (and use row 2 for row 4 like SA does if they want to save some money).
3 new molds...
I take it you don't like the idea of using row 2 molds for row 4 as well?
I wonder if a Kickstarter campaign could raise the necessary funds...
A Kickstarter campaign would be an interesting possibility for a known manufacturer. The question is then if Devlin or some other cap maker is up for it. Just imagine GMK with that kind of profile. It would open them up to the spherical crowd.
Okay, that's a pretty big dream sequence right there. Back to reality.
Oh god, don't even mention that.
We'd never have another cylindrical GB ever again. How would I buy new keycaps?
I'd love to see some better color options for PBT sets. I've yet to see anything that really caught my interest enough to want to both spend money on them and receive crap from my wife for buying them.
There's one Chinese company that's dyesubbing the cap and leaving the legend untouched, though their efforts still need a bit more work.
http://imgur.com/a/qG0UU
As for PBT, SP offers a pretty decent range of colors. It's more that those offering doubleshot PBT sets aren't offering a lot of colors.
There's one Chinese company that's dyesubbing the cap and leaving the legend untouched, though their efforts still need a bit more work.
http://imgur.com/a/qG0UU
As for PBT, SP offers a pretty decent range of colors. It's more that those offering doubleshot PBT sets aren't offering a lot of colors.
That negative dyesub process holds a lot of promise. There will be issues of color consistency when keycaps are a single solid color (not counting the legend graphics), but if they can conquer that, it could open up a whole new range of creative possibilities.