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Title: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Tue, 15 November 2016, 14:27:01
Think I need one, I've always made fun of the console-plebs but it's nice to sit on the couch and unwind instead of sitting in front of the computer.

Pro's = Play from the couch
Con's = Have to pay for games

Who is getting one? I need a 240hz 65" 4k TV too? :D
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: kiwi99 on Tue, 15 November 2016, 14:31:28
chances of it outputting 30+ fps at 4k  :rolleyes:  :))
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: Saiph on Tue, 15 November 2016, 14:32:17
You can play your pc games from your couch too :). I usually end up getting consoles for their exclusives rather than any other reason.
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Tue, 15 November 2016, 14:40:49
You can play your pc games from your couch too :). I usually end up getting consoles for their exclusives rather than any other reason.

Totally, and sports games...no good sports games on PC.
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 15 November 2016, 17:21:09
it's not gonna do 4k gaming..   BUhhhhhh   1080p will finally be a THING..



But then there's the new Xbox  which is estimated 30%-50% more powerful than the Ps4 PRO.


---still no 4k power at that level..   Buh the indie games might run at native 4k..
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Wed, 16 November 2016, 08:55:44
it's not gonna do 4k gaming..   BUhhhhhh   1080p will finally be a THING..



But then there's the new Xbox  which is estimated 30%-50% more powerful than the Ps4 PRO.


---still no 4k power at that level..   Buh the indie games might run at native 4k..

I thought the PS4 Pro was 4k? I know it can't play 4k Blueray or whatever but that only affects the people who pay for movies..
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: hking0036 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 09:33:06
it's not gonna do 4k gaming..   BUhhhhhh   1080p will finally be a THING..



But then there's the new Xbox  which is estimated 30%-50% more powerful than the Ps4 PRO.


---still no 4k power at that level..   Buh the indie games might run at native 4k..
Reports are saying it actually runs the old games worse than the original models right now lmao.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-why-are-some-ps4-pro-titles-running-slower-than-base-hardware

I thought the PS4 Pro was 4k? I know it can't play 4k Blueray or whatever but that only affects the people who pay for movies..
Doubtful. Even if it could the performance hit will make it horrible, plus if it's up scaling and not actually rendering it natively I don't know why you'd bother.
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 16 November 2016, 11:53:39
it's not gonna do 4k gaming..   BUhhhhhh   1080p will finally be a THING..



But then there's the new Xbox  which is estimated 30%-50% more powerful than the Ps4 PRO.


---still no 4k power at that level..   Buh the indie games might run at native 4k..

I thought the PS4 Pro was 4k? I know it can't play 4k Blueray or whatever but that only affects the people who pay for movies..


it has approximately the same processing power as the amd 480 right now..

Sooooooo......    not going to get 4k render for the most part..


Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 16 November 2016, 13:47:08
You don't pay for your games on pc? Dirty pirate.  :))
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: kiwi99 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 14:25:45
it's not gonna do 4k gaming..   BUhhhhhh   1080p will finally be a THING..



But then there's the new Xbox  which is estimated 30%-50% more powerful than the Ps4 PRO.


---still no 4k power at that level..   Buh the indie games might run at native 4k..

I thought the PS4 Pro was 4k? I know it can't play 4k Blueray or whatever but that only affects the people who pay for movies..
They advertise 4K as a selling point since 4K TV's are so hot right now
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 November 2016, 14:08:32
Think it's probably still the same choice between   Halo  and   Obscure JRPGs.


But of recent development,  heard only the PS4 Pro will be getting the new generation of Japanese Sexual Assault  VR simulators..  yea that's a thing now.. hahahahahaha

Sooooooo... that's kind of the only new element to the old Decision tree between Halo Xbox, and Playstation JRPGs.
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 November 2016, 14:53:08
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D

(http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/camo-green-dual-shock-4-1-640x427.jpg)
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 17 November 2016, 14:59:20
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D
You can use it with pc too :)
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 November 2016, 15:01:20
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D
You can use it with pc too :)

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/2a/2aeeae6aac32ad71b368cbee26a3d779bc9243fb44c1e5f759cf7e510f0a84b4.jpg)
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 November 2016, 22:47:21
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D

Show Image
(http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/camo-green-dual-shock-4-1-640x427.jpg)


IMHO.. the playstation dpad.. is no good...
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 November 2016, 22:57:00
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D

Show Image
(http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/camo-green-dual-shock-4-1-640x427.jpg)


IMHO.. the playstation dpad.. is no good...

Still better than the awful xbox controller..
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 November 2016, 22:57:50
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D

Show Image
(http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/camo-green-dual-shock-4-1-640x427.jpg)


IMHO.. the playstation dpad.. is no good...

Still better than the awful xbox controller..

yea.... the PS style dpad is better than xbox 360 ,  but not better than xbox 1
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 November 2016, 22:59:41
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D

Show Image
(http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/camo-green-dual-shock-4-1-640x427.jpg)


IMHO.. the playstation dpad.. is no good...

Still better than the awful xbox controller..

yea.... the PS style dpad is better than xbox 360 ,  but not better than xbox 1

is it better than the SNES dpad? What are your qualifications for a successful dpad Mr. Tp?
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 November 2016, 23:01:32
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D

Show Image
(http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/camo-green-dual-shock-4-1-640x427.jpg)


IMHO.. the playstation dpad.. is no good...

Still better than the awful xbox controller..

yea.... the PS style dpad is better than xbox 360 ,  but not better than xbox 1

is it better than the SNES dpad? What are your qualifications for a successful dpad Mr. Tp?

Best dpad is the logitech dpad,

It has a central spring, and you can accurately roll circles on it all day..


(http://www.technowave.co.za/12224-thickbox_default/logitech-f310-wired-gamepad-broad-game-support-10-programmable-buttons-8-way-programmable-d-pad-profiler-software-two-programmable-analog-mini-joysticks-usb-corded-18metres-blue-retail-box-1-year-limit-warranty.jpg)


Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 November 2016, 23:02:48
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D

Show Image
(http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/camo-green-dual-shock-4-1-640x427.jpg)


IMHO.. the playstation dpad.. is no good...

Still better than the awful xbox controller..

yea.... the PS style dpad is better than xbox 360 ,  but not better than xbox 1

is it better than the SNES dpad? What are your qualifications for a successful dpad Mr. Tp?

Best dpad is the logitech dpad,

It has a central spring, and you can accurately roll circles on it all day..


Show Image
(http://www.technowave.co.za/12224-thickbox_default/logitech-f310-wired-gamepad-broad-game-support-10-programmable-buttons-8-way-programmable-d-pad-profiler-software-two-programmable-analog-mini-joysticks-usb-corded-18metres-blue-retail-box-1-year-limit-warranty.jpg)





LOL, that thing is trash! Nice!
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 November 2016, 23:06:00
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D

Show Image
(http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/camo-green-dual-shock-4-1-640x427.jpg)


IMHO.. the playstation dpad.. is no good...

Still better than the awful xbox controller..

yea.... the PS style dpad is better than xbox 360 ,  but not better than xbox 1

is it better than the SNES dpad? What are your qualifications for a successful dpad Mr. Tp?

Best dpad is the logitech dpad,

It has a central spring, and you can accurately roll circles on it all day..


Show Image
(http://www.technowave.co.za/12224-thickbox_default/logitech-f310-wired-gamepad-broad-game-support-10-programmable-buttons-8-way-programmable-d-pad-profiler-software-two-programmable-analog-mini-joysticks-usb-corded-18metres-blue-retail-box-1-year-limit-warranty.jpg)





LOL, that thing is trash! Nice!

That is THE BEST gamepad ever made..


Low latency,  powerful remapping software, great compatibility ..
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 November 2016, 23:08:07
That is THE BEST gamepad ever made..


Low latency,  powerful remapping software, great compatibility ..


(https://media.giphy.com/media/HFmO5XV1N5kha/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 November 2016, 23:10:03
That is THE BEST gamepad ever made..


Low latency,  powerful remapping software, great compatibility ..


Show Image
(https://media.giphy.com/media/HFmO5XV1N5kha/giphy.gif)


which gamepad are you saying is better..
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 November 2016, 23:12:32
which gamepad are you saying is better..

Ergonomics 8/10
Functionality 10/10
Ascetics 10/10
Button Tactility 8/10
Dpad 73g spring 9/10

All we needed, I give you.......

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/SNES-Controller-Flat.jpg)
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 November 2016, 23:21:18
which gamepad are you saying is better..

Ergonomics 8/10
Functionality 10/10
Ascetics 10/10
Button Tactility 8/10
Dpad 73g spring 9/10

All we needed, I give you.......

Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/SNES-Controller-Flat.jpg)


That's ridiculous..

You can't roll full circles on the snes dpad easily, it hurts your fingers to do..  The flat design makes it totally unergonomic vs the tapered handles of modern controllers.

There's no analogue trigger for racing games..   
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Thu, 17 November 2016, 23:22:40
which gamepad are you saying is better..

Ergonomics 8/10
Functionality 10/10
Ascetics 10/10
Button Tactility 8/10
Dpad 73g spring 9/10

All we needed, I give you.......

Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/SNES-Controller-Flat.jpg)


That's ridiculous..

You can't roll full circles on the snes dpad easily, it hurts your fingers to do..  The flat design makes it totally unergonomic vs the tapered handles of modern controllers.

There's no analogue trigger for racing games..   

No! It hurts YOUR fingers PAL!! Not mine, mine feel great.. :D
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 17 November 2016, 23:26:38
which gamepad are you saying is better..

Ergonomics 8/10
Functionality 10/10
Ascetics 10/10
Button Tactility 8/10
Dpad 73g spring 9/10

All we needed, I give you.......

Show Image
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/SNES-Controller-Flat.jpg)


That's ridiculous..

You can't roll full circles on the snes dpad easily, it hurts your fingers to do..  The flat design makes it totally unergonomic vs the tapered handles of modern controllers.

There's no analogue trigger for racing games..   

No! It hurts YOUR fingers PAL!! Not mine, mine feel great.. :D

LIES..
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Fri, 18 November 2016, 02:45:31
currently using ps4 controller as my main gamepad. ****s good.
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Mon, 21 November 2016, 10:36:32
Went against TP's sound judgment. I couldn't resist the urge, got a PS4 Pro for $350 shipped, may the couch gaming sessions begin..

Think I'm going to hold out for an OLED 4k screen in the Spring...dodging the flashy 4k sales during the Holiday's.
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 November 2016, 11:44:49
I'm still not keen on OLED for gaming.. it's just too blurry..

ULMB is THE BEST possible experience on Flat panels..
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Mon, 21 November 2016, 12:19:52
I'm still not keen on OLED for gaming.. it's just too blurry..

ULMB is THE BEST possible experience on Flat panels..

Don't tell me that...last thing I need to do right now is spend more money...can you link me a model? haha
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: RELLIK on Mon, 21 November 2016, 13:11:32

Been looking a the pro, but apparently their are issues with the HDMI handshake  :-\ No idea if thats fixable with patch or what, and the power/eject buttons are frail AF apparently  >:D
No plans for 4K use, but loading times suck period, so Pro+SSD just makes sense to me. God I want a nice Cyber monday deal, KOF XIV is just lying on a shelf   :(
Think it's probably still the same choice between   Halo  and   Obscure JRPGs.


But of recent development,  heard only the PS4 Pro will be getting the new generation of Japanese Sexual Assault  VR simulators..  yea that's a thing now.. hahahahahaha

Sooooooo... that's kind of the only new element to the old Decision tree between Halo Xbox, and Playstation JRPGs.

New PS4 Pro/Dualshock 4 has a different (and better apparently) Dpad. Also inputs signals over wire with less annoying LED bar.
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Mon, 21 November 2016, 13:15:13

Been looking a the pro, but apparently their are issues with the HDMI handshake  :-\ No idea if thats fixable with patch or what, and the power/eject buttons are frail AF apparently  >:D
No plans for 4K use, but loading times suck period, so Pro+SSD just makes sense to me. God I want a nice Cyber monday deal, KOF XIV is just lying on a shelf   :(
Think it's probably still the same choice between   Halo  and   Obscure JRPGs.


But of recent development,  heard only the PS4 Pro will be getting the new generation of Japanese Sexual Assault  VR simulators..  yea that's a thing now.. hahahahahaha

Sooooooo... that's kind of the only new element to the old Decision tree between Halo Xbox, and Playstation JRPGs.

New PS4 Pro/Dualshock 4 has a different (and better apparently) Dpad. Also inputs signals over wire with less annoying LED bar.

Yea, SSD would be a nice upgrade.
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 November 2016, 17:31:55

Been looking a the pro, but apparently their are issues with the HDMI handshake  :-\ No idea if thats fixable with patch or what, and the power/eject buttons are frail AF apparently  >:D
No plans for 4K use, but loading times suck period, so Pro+SSD just makes sense to me. God I want a nice Cyber monday deal, KOF XIV is just lying on a shelf   :(
Think it's probably still the same choice between   Halo  and   Obscure JRPGs.


But of recent development,  heard only the PS4 Pro will be getting the new generation of Japanese Sexual Assault  VR simulators..  yea that's a thing now.. hahahahahaha

Sooooooo... that's kind of the only new element to the old Decision tree between Halo Xbox, and Playstation JRPGs.

New PS4 Pro/Dualshock 4 has a different (and better apparently) Dpad. Also inputs signals over wire with less annoying LED bar.

Yea, SSD would be a nice upgrade.

The reason PS4 has high load times isn't only due to harddrive alone..  CPU speed is another problem..  Decompressing files/textures are most of the time not multi-threadable,   which means the Low IPC of the jaguar cores is a major bottleneck to seamless gaming experience.


But I am hopeful for PS5
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 November 2016, 17:34:16
I'm still not keen on OLED for gaming.. it's just too blurry..

ULMB is THE BEST possible experience on Flat panels..

Don't tell me that...last thing I need to do right now is spend more money...can you link me a model? haha


Just go on amazon, type in ULMB..

They don't currently have a panel that's tv sized yet.. and none that are 4k..

But they do have 2560x1440 @ 27 inches w/ULMB


4K and ULMB is going to be next year mid year..


OLED is blurry because it has to sample and hold.. 

And another issue, which they've yet to overcome is the Blue degradation which happens 10 to 20x more quickly than the Red/ Green channel..

THe current chemical formulation simply wears out and fast..

Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 21 November 2016, 19:25:52
removed.
Title: Re: PS4 Pro
Post by: digi on Mon, 21 November 2016, 21:18:11
I just want an excuse to use this...might just buy the controller and have no ps4 to plug it into... ;D

Show Image
(http://cdn2.ubergizmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/camo-green-dual-shock-4-1-640x427.jpg)


get the filco too

Good idea..