Post by: hoq on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:19:38
In fact, somethings bothered us, a lot of people don't like Vista system, I'm also not a fun of it at all. hahaha .because it brought people bad experience , no one need more Vista........
Finally, I changed the name to Aero instead of Vista. Windows is going to sigh Vista death today (April,11th), no more support for Vista system from now, so sad! That's really an end.
Offical render:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-hGR2sfp/1/fcb21148/O/i-hGR2sfp.jpg)
Renders：
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KKhggJ8/0/7e20968b/X3/i-KKhggJ8-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b4j2hRt/0/bec6c2e0/X3/i-b4j2hRt-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ghKBvSc/0/d1f8e265/X3/i-ghKBvSc-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Pf6Zbgb/0/9dbb7154/X3/i-Pf6Zbgb-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bV37KXw/0/7d85295b/X3/i-bV37KXw-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MB72hH2/1/00c3c34f/X3/i-MB72hH2-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-gPTVhnC/0/b3a141d0/O/i-gPTVhnC.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-sphLr9P/1/bf151b63/X3/i-sphLr9P-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rwpSPpX/0/9c2f359d/X3/i-rwpSPpX-X3.jpg)
Layouts:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zvVJvDs/0/ea55f223/X3/i-zvVJvDs-X3.jpg)
Inspiration：
(https://photos.smugmug.com/GMK-Light-of-Vista/n-nfVTgq/i-wwJ2Qst/0/3ee1580d/XL/i-wwJ2Qst-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-RcRCM6d/0/a52dc124/X3/i-RcRCM6d-X3.jpg)
Color codes:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8psPr4h/0/80288918/X3/i-8psPr4h-X3.jpg)
Post by: neralo on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:24:34
Depending on the enter key at time of GB, and the timing of the GB itself, would probably be in.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:33:59
Post by: hoq on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:35:49
Actually sorta like the colourway, but please, no "Vista" on the enter key.
Depending on the enter key at time of GB, and the timing of the GB itself, would probably be in.
Yes, I have been aware of the problem of that Vista enter key. hahaha...
Post by: romevi on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:38:17
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:43:54
Post by: romevi on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:47:16
Post by: Daellin on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:47:35
Post by: hoq on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:50:13
Why not GMK Aero?
Yes， I'm thinking about that name, too. maybe it's a good name.
Post by: hoq on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:51:29
I like the colors too. :thumb:
Thanks!
Post by: Zackfoo on Wed, 05 April 2017, 20:51:56
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Post by: zoomwalt on Wed, 05 April 2017, 21:00:53
http://www.bioshockgame.com/ps3/img.jpg
http://www.cncrk.com/up/1607/201607041423031640.jpg
Post by: autobot on Wed, 05 April 2017, 21:15:07
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 05 April 2017, 21:27:54
Why not GMK Aero?
Yes， I'm thinking about that name, too. maybe it's a good name.
Stick to the current name being "Vista" because we all know what your design will look like. Too many Aeros, out there already and I happen to love Vista and still have it installed on a few PCs at home.
For me your Vista colour scheme works and there are next to no others like yours being made today, so stick with that colour way and the name. I would buy it to add to my keyboards still running this awesome OS that Redmond has ever made. It's the only OS that doesn't spy on you 24/7 like the current garbage being pushed onto everyone.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 05 April 2017, 21:32:40
Renders：Show Image(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9Wbmp7H/0/X3/i-9Wbmp7H-X3.jpg)Show Image(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FhmL7NT/0/X3/i-FhmL7NT-X3.jpg)
PLEASE stick to this colour range because making the greens too light will make all the Legends disappear into the lighter shades. Stick with the 3D renders they got it right, hence everyone will be choosing those colours and not the pasty, lighter shades from the drawings.
Post by: Floody on Wed, 05 April 2017, 21:34:53
I'm digging the name too.Why not GMK Aero?
Yes， I'm thinking about that name, too. maybe it's a good name.
Post by: neon_tom on Wed, 05 April 2017, 22:12:55
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 05 April 2017, 22:49:47
Post by: kokokoy on Wed, 05 April 2017, 22:54:46
But nonetheless love the colours.
Post by: BlackInk on Wed, 05 April 2017, 23:00:55
Post by: hoq on Wed, 05 April 2017, 23:55:45
Love the colors. Love the name. Not crazy about the Vista and power button escape key. Any chance for more compatibility? I'm thinking 75%/1800 specifically.
It's just the initial version of this design, I'll add some adapter keys if it's necessary.
Post by: longtran1568 on Thu, 06 April 2017, 01:52:01
Post by: TeHao on Thu, 06 April 2017, 02:58:59
Post by: oatmicro on Thu, 06 April 2017, 03:55:54
Post by: bkw1209 on Thu, 06 April 2017, 05:21:53
Post by: thad on Thu, 06 April 2017, 08:43:56
Post by: atomicus on Thu, 06 April 2017, 09:01:42
Post by: JaccoW on Thu, 06 April 2017, 10:16:05
It reminds me of a sunrise. How about about "GMK - Morning Glory"?Why not GMK Aero?Yes， I'm thinking about that name, too. maybe it's a good name.
EDIT: Turns out it's also the name of a flower in a similar color scheme:
(http://www.almanac.com/sites/default/files/styles/primary_image_in_article/public/images/morning_glory_blue_closeup_.jpg?itok=PcfrFve7)
Morning Glory - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_glory)
Post by: elfick on Thu, 06 April 2017, 10:31:10
Post by: fropones on Thu, 06 April 2017, 11:12:16
Post by: hoq on Fri, 07 April 2017, 01:46:17
Vista really hurted a lot of people :))
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 07 April 2017, 01:49:56
Post by: shower_king on Fri, 07 April 2017, 04:32:17
My doubt is why not put darker yellow on modifier to appease the dazzling and lighter blue.
Maybe that dazzlingness of blue modifier is caused by overly light when making 3D renders, if that is right , ignore my doubt
Post by: gadzkun on Fri, 07 April 2017, 06:07:42
Post by: srang on Fri, 07 April 2017, 06:44:07
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 07 April 2017, 06:46:51
I love everything about this except for the "Vista" enter key
x2
Also GMK Vista sounds pretty awesome to me.
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 07 April 2017, 12:05:33
Post by: dubious on Fri, 07 April 2017, 16:26:48
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 08 April 2017, 14:59:12
Post by: Niomosy on Sun, 09 April 2017, 00:32:33
yeah , the darker blue alpha base with yellow legend is palatable to my eyes and would be better when typing.
My doubt is why not put darker yellow on modifier to appease the dazzling and lighter blue.
Maybe that dazzlingness of blue modifier is caused by overly light when making 3D renders, if that is right , ignore my doubt
The lighter blue (TU2) isn't as light as that render makes it out to be. A change to a darker yellow may not be needed.
Post by: BlackInk on Sun, 09 April 2017, 00:41:33
Post by: traktor on Sun, 09 April 2017, 00:55:59
Post by: ArchDill on Sun, 09 April 2017, 01:08:37
Post by: hoq on Sun, 09 April 2017, 03:16:43
This is the first GMK set I like in a while. Interested.It reminds me of a sunrise. How about about "GMK - Morning Glory"?Why not GMK Aero?Yes， I'm thinking about that name, too. maybe it's a good name.
EDIT: Turns out it's also the name of a flower in a similar color scheme:Show Image(http://www.almanac.com/sites/default/files/styles/primary_image_in_article/public/images/morning_glory_blue_closeup_.jpg?itok=PcfrFve7)
Morning Glory - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morning_glory)
The colors are some what the same. but that's totally the different theme...
Post by: hoq on Sun, 09 April 2017, 03:32:46
yeah , the darker blue alpha base with yellow legend is palatable to my eyes and would be better when typing.
My doubt is why not put darker yellow on modifier to appease the dazzling and lighter blue.
Maybe that dazzlingness of blue modifier is caused by overly light when making 3D renders, if that is right , ignore my doubt
The TU2 cyan color of modifers seems merged into the yellow legends, That's a problem of the render soft, I think.
I'll try to find some darker yellow to see how they look.
Post by: condekind on Sun, 09 April 2017, 04:40:58
Hope this happens!
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 09 April 2017, 14:07:15
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sun, 09 April 2017, 20:40:51
Post by: libertycannon on Sun, 09 April 2017, 20:46:45
Post by: hoq on Sun, 09 April 2017, 21:09:56
Post by: hoq on Mon, 10 April 2017, 02:24:17
(https://www.techpowerup.com/img/17-03-15/d34ba01f2d2a.jpg)
Post by: Data on Mon, 10 April 2017, 07:30:11
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 11 April 2017, 01:07:22
Post by: jackofclubs on Tue, 11 April 2017, 02:33:35
Post by: MMKB on Tue, 11 April 2017, 20:48:04
Interestingly the creator of a Vista-themed set has a Macintosh avatar. :D
Post by: hoq on Wed, 12 April 2017, 02:32:09
Like it!
Interestingly the creator of a Vista-themed set has a Macintosh avatar. :D
In fact I'm a windows user, I just like that vintage design of Macintosh 128K. ^-^
Post by: neuroboros on Mon, 17 April 2017, 01:55:28
Post by: BlackInk on Mon, 17 April 2017, 02:37:57
THANKS
Post by: hoq on Mon, 17 April 2017, 03:20:47
When will Gb launch? There are too many IC keysets from hoq so I wonder which set will launch first!
THANKS
This maybe soon，in early May? I'm still contacting vendor to ask for a price.
GMK seems having their vacation now.
Post by: Hokabuki on Mon, 17 April 2017, 23:47:07
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 18 April 2017, 02:08:32
Post by: Hokabuki on Wed, 19 April 2017, 00:31:06
Post by: hoq on Wed, 19 April 2017, 00:33:00
Any idea if this will have a Planck kit with it?
MOQ 150 makes it hard to become true....
Post by: hoq on Wed, 19 April 2017, 00:37:56
May's at least a small bit more time for people to save up for this. Maybe also set aside some wife money for the chewing out that will be received for yet more keyboard stuff.
Yes, you're right. I guess Yuri is going to launch in Mid-May， a lot of people are waiting for .
May is not the right time for Aero to launch.
I'll revise this design carefully for a period of time.
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 19 April 2017, 01:51:02
May's at least a small bit more time for people to save up for this. Maybe also set aside some wife money for the chewing out that will be received for yet more keyboard stuff.
Yes, you're right. I guess Yuri is going to launch in Mid-May， a lot of people are waiting for .
May is not the right time for Aero to launch.
I'll revise this design carefully for a period of time.
Ahh, good catch. Probably wise to let wallets recover a bit as that's been one waiting for quite a while. Still, I'm trying to limit myself on sets but I've planned for this one already.
Post by: hoq on Wed, 19 April 2017, 02:04:02
May's at least a small bit more time for people to save up for this. Maybe also set aside some wife money for the chewing out that will be received for yet more keyboard stuff.
Yes, you're right. I guess Yuri is going to launch in Mid-May， a lot of people are waiting for .
May is not the right time for Aero to launch.
I'll revise this design carefully for a period of time.
Ahh, good catch. Probably wise to let wallets recover a bit as that's been one waiting for quite a while. Still, I'm trying to limit myself on sets but I've planned for this one already.
Hahaha, I also bought a lot of customized keyboard,too. I think I'm ill ,I cannot control my self to stop buying those metal and plastic rubbishes.... :confused:
Post by: excluisve on Wed, 19 April 2017, 23:04:54
Post by: Hokabuki on Wed, 19 April 2017, 23:55:49
May's at least a small bit more time for people to save up for this. Maybe also set aside some wife money for the chewing out that will be received for yet more keyboard stuff.
Yes, you're right. I guess Yuri is going to launch in Mid-May， a lot of people are waiting for .
May is not the right time for Aero to launch.
I'll revise this design carefully for a period of time.
But it's so pretty. I NEED IT NOW!
Post by: XG3njiX on Thu, 20 April 2017, 08:12:52
Post by: ojrask on Thu, 20 April 2017, 14:13:22
Post by: hoq on Mon, 24 April 2017, 03:28:27
I'm interested, the cyans/blues with the yellow legends look great. Any news?
Not any news now, I have to revise the layout and make more renders for reference. Still need some time.
Post by: Niomosy on Sun, 07 May 2017, 14:34:57
Post by: hoq on Tue, 09 May 2017, 02:35:08
Post by: Hokabuki on Tue, 09 May 2017, 11:09:55
There is no accurate time yet. Especially Yuri and Nautilus are coming soon :))
Just don't neglect this set. I'm really looking forward to it. ;)
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 09 May 2017, 23:27:46
There is no accurate time yet. Especially Yuri and Nautilus are coming soon :))
Just don't neglect this set. I'm really looking forward to it. ;)
Yup, that pretty well sums my thoughts up as well. Would love to try a GMK set out on my XMIT board but don't feel like yanking my only set off my main board to do so :D
Post by: nya on Wed, 10 May 2017, 14:52:27
Post by: Hokabuki on Sat, 03 June 2017, 01:47:33
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 03 June 2017, 12:41:17
Post by: BlackInk on Sat, 03 June 2017, 13:44:00
Just something that came to mind: are the modifiers going to be significantly lighter than GMK Triumph Adler? Those came out fairly dark in person. I hope this set will be more medium brightness rather than dark.
Dark + bright Yellow = Perfection :p
Post by: richard912 on Sun, 04 June 2017, 01:30:59
Post by: hoq on Sun, 04 June 2017, 04:36:26
Is this set still on the radar?
Yes, I haven't give it up, it still on my schedule. I'll update render and layout drawing later.
Post by: hoq on Sun, 04 June 2017, 06:25:52
Just something that came to mind: are the alphas going to be significantly lighter than GMK Triumph Adler modifiers? Those came out fairly dark in person. I hope this set will be more medium brightness rather than dark.
Basiclly, I just want to use the default color codes of GMK, so all that I can use for cyan color are TU1 and TU2, if I use other color codes, they will not fit the AERO theme precisely.
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 04 June 2017, 08:59:10
Post by: hoq on Mon, 05 June 2017, 03:13:24
Thanks, now to figure out whether TU1 is the color that was used for TA modifiers or whether it's different.
If TA used the default GMK color codes, may be they are the same.
Post by: Data on Mon, 05 June 2017, 11:05:57
Thanks, now to figure out whether TU1 is the color that was used for TA modifiers or whether it's different.
If TA used the default GMK color codes, may be they are the same.
GMK Triumph Adler used a custom color. It's referenced several times in the original IC. I also know that the custom color mix from GMK famously led to several quality issues with the set and forced GMK to reevaluate their mixing and batch properties for the sets that followed. I believe they've perfected it now.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 05 June 2017, 11:09:00
Post by: Meowmeowmeowpow on Mon, 05 June 2017, 12:44:58
I will gladly wait until you release this. The lighter colours are great.
I would prefer is this came out before Nautilus or Laser as I like this more, but I know you don't have much of say in what comes out first.
Post by: Auk on Mon, 05 June 2017, 13:09:49
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 05 June 2017, 23:09:16
Post by: hoq on Wed, 07 June 2017, 01:50:03
I updated the layout drawing, I'll update the renders later.
If you have any advice about this, please reply in this thread
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8psPr4h/0/80288918/X3/i-8psPr4h-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-TzxTQGJ/0/8cd0ba86/X3/i-TzxTQGJ-X3.jpg)
Post by: Auk on Wed, 07 June 2017, 05:42:55
I updated the layout drawing...
...If you have any advice about this, please reply in this thread
It looks much better with an "Enter" key vs the "Vista" key in the first image. The yellow on green alphas and modifiers look like an excellent combination.
I'm not sure about the particular orange color. Possibly it's too strong? I would play around with some layouts myself and see if there is a slightly softer, less intense orange to make a more constructive suggestion, but I can't find a reference page for all the colors GMK offer. Is there one?
Are you looking for suggestions on the key selection for the base kit and child kits? or are you just focused on the core concept and colors for now?
Post by: lecorsair on Wed, 07 June 2017, 10:42:43
Hi, Guys！
I updated the layout drawing, I'll update the renders later.
If you have any advice about this, please reply in this thread
....
Great looking set, love the novel R3 "Aero" key. Very much looking forward to the gb.
Please consider adding 1u R4 keys for the right hand cluster: ctrl/alt/menu. I can't help but think this layout would be more popular if it's more widely available.
Post by: hoq on Thu, 08 June 2017, 09:08:00
I updated the layout drawing...
...If you have any advice about this, please reply in this thread
It looks much better with an "Enter" key vs the "Vista" key in the first image. The yellow on green alphas and modifiers look like an excellent combination.
I'm not sure about the particular orange color. Possibly it's too strong? I would play around with some layouts myself and see if there is a slightly softer, less intense orange to make a more constructive suggestion, but I can't find a reference page for all the colors GMK offer. Is there one?
Are you looking for suggestions on the key selection for the base kit and child kits? or are you just focused on the core concept and colors for now?
Yes，that orange color spacebars make the whole layout not quite balance, maybe orange spacebars are not good for this layout.
You can refer to this website to tryout every GMK color to see the combanations.
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 08 June 2017, 10:17:52
Thanks, now to figure out whether TU1 is the color that was used for TA modifiers or whether it's different.
If TA used the default GMK color codes, may be they are the same.
GMK Triumph Adler used a custom color. It's referenced several times in the original IC. I also know that the custom color mix from GMK famously led to several quality issues with the set and forced GMK to reevaluate their mixing and batch properties for the sets that followed. I believe they've perfected it now.
Some colors that were initially custom became their stock colors, such as cyan, magenta, and "DSA Retro" burgundy and brown. So this fact does not preclude the possibility that TU1 is a "perfected" TA modifier color: that's what I'd like to know (it seems to be the case).
Post by: Hokabuki on Fri, 09 June 2017, 00:01:45
Hi, Guys！
I updated the layout drawing, I'll update the renders later.
If you have any advice about this, please reply in this thread
....
Great looking set, love the novel R3 "Aero" key. Very much looking forward to the gb.
Please consider adding 1u R4 keys for the right hand cluster: ctrl/alt/menu. I can't help but think this layout would be more popular if it's more widely available.
I would second this. A 1u 0 key for the numpad would be awesome too. As far as colors go, I would like to have an orange arrow cluster as well but that's more of a want than a need.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 09 June 2017, 16:57:55
Post by: swampkitten on Thu, 29 June 2017, 12:25:52
Have you though of doing a novelty cap, or is that the purpose of the Aero key? I think its a really great and fun detail when sets add those (like the little plum for the GMK Plum set).
Post by: hoq on Fri, 30 June 2017, 11:42:55
I've been lurking and drooling over this set for months waiting for it to launch. I'm so excited for it, I think you nailed the colors.
Have you though of doing a novelty cap, or is that the purpose of the Aero key? I think its a really great and fun detail when sets add those (like the little plum for the GMK Plum set).
The "Aero" and the win logo keys with circle are novelty keys. :p
I don't think I want to add more novelties because I want to keep this set more cheap.
Post by: hoq on Fri, 30 June 2017, 11:45:11
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-xJX8HzN/0/5a1ec5b5/X3/i-xJX8HzN-X3.jpg)
Post by: hoq on Fri, 30 June 2017, 11:46:13
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-gPTVhnC/0/b3a141d0/O/i-gPTVhnC.jpg)
Post by: Hokabuki on Fri, 30 June 2017, 11:49:08
Post by: hoq on Fri, 30 June 2017, 11:55:50
Why put the AERO key on R3 instead of R4 1.25u?
I think putting "Aero" key instead of "A" looks more natural than putting it in Win key's place. :p
Post by: Hokabuki on Fri, 30 June 2017, 12:05:20
Personally, I'd be more likely to use it as R4 Fn. Would having both increase price much?Why put the AERO key on R3 instead of R4 1.25u?
I think putting "Aero" key instead of "A" looks more natural than putting it in Win key's place. :p
Post by: hoq on Sat, 01 July 2017, 01:03:03
Post by: hoq on Sat, 01 July 2017, 01:38:34
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zvVJvDs/0/ea55f223/X3/i-zvVJvDs-X3.jpg)
Post by: BlackInk on Sat, 01 July 2017, 03:00:13
After we got the price from GMK, we found that split the ISO keys make not much defference, so finally we decide to make this keyset a all in one keyset again.When is the GB starts? I need this set in my life :DShow Image(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zvVJvDs/0/ea55f223/X3/i-zvVJvDs-X3.jpg)
Post by: hoq on Sat, 01 July 2017, 07:11:39
After we got the price from GMK, we found that split the ISO keys make not much defference, so finally we decide to make this keyset a all in one keyset again.When is the GB starts? I need this set in my life :DShow Image(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zvVJvDs/0/ea55f223/X3/i-zvVJvDs-X3.jpg)
Maybe in JULY :)
Post by: hoq on Sat, 01 July 2017, 07:18:33
Post by: OneNightFriend on Sat, 01 July 2017, 13:47:36
Nice! Just picked up solarized dark but it'll be hard to turn down this GB when it hitsShow Image(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rwpSPpX/0/9c2f359d/X3/i-rwpSPpX-X3.jpg)
Post by: Niomosy on Sun, 02 July 2017, 20:04:54
Show Image(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-rwpSPpX/0/9c2f359d/X3/i-rwpSPpX-X3.jpg)
Render looks good. I'm not much on the Aero key but that's a personal preference. I can understand how it fits the theme, though. Patiently waiting for this one.
Post by: ojrask on Fri, 07 July 2017, 17:33:31
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 07 July 2017, 17:45:01
Looks like I'll actually have to put those heavier springs in the XMIT board now and see how it is with GMK caps.
Post by: RELLIK on Sat, 08 July 2017, 14:25:16
Post by: hoq on Sun, 09 July 2017, 21:49:33
No 1U 0 / 00 keys for numpad?
Sorry, this is the final layout, it won't support 1800 and some rare layout.
Post by: hoq on Sun, 09 July 2017, 21:50:51
Post by: hoq on Mon, 10 July 2017, 05:33:49
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Pf6Zbgb/0/9dbb7154/X3/i-Pf6Zbgb-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bV37KXw/0/7d85295b/X3/i-bV37KXw-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-MB72hH2/1/00c3c34f/X3/i-MB72hH2-X3.jpg)
Post by: hoq on Wed, 12 July 2017, 06:15:59
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-pFj3ZT7/0/1cd97248/X3/i-pFj3ZT7-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-StkrV2S/0/6ef40ecf/X3/i-StkrV2S-X3.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b4j2hRt/0/bec6c2e0/X3/i-b4j2hRt-X3.jpg)
Post by: hoq on Thu, 13 July 2017, 05:19:45