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Title: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB DELAYED TO JUNE 15 @ 5PM CDT!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:08:43
Introducing the Cajal.  [kaˈhal]

Edit 5/29/20: Due to unforeseen circumstances, we have to delay the Group-Buy for Cajal until June 15th, 2020 at 5:00 pm CDT on Walletburner.co. The sale will be limited to 200 units, with a maximum of 2 units per customer. See you then!

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The Cajal is a 45% hotswap keyboard with a detached arrow cluster, a prominent volume knob, and an RGB underglow ring. It's heaviest configuration weighs 5lbs, making it one of the heaviest boards for its size. This keyboard is a culmination of all the features that were requested from the Neuron GB, along with some new design features that haven't yet been implemented in a sub-60% keyboard. I have added programmable indicator lights and gasket mounting system using stoppers to adjust the compression on nitrile tabs attached to the plate in 4 places. With only four plate attachment points, the Cajal was designed to permit flex in bendier plate materials while still providing a cushioned bottom out on a brass plate. By changing plate material, gasket hardness (40A soft or 70A hard), and gasket compression tightness, users will be able to tailor their experience to their preferences. Prepare your wallets for June 1st!



About the Name
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The Cajal is named after Santiago Ramůn y Cajal (1852-1934), the father of modern neuroscience. His studies of the brain were crucial to the discovery that the nervous system consists mainly of individual cells, a theory called neuron doctrine. For this discovery, he was honored with the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1906. His contributions to neuroanatomy and detailed drawings of neural structures are still relevant to our understanding of the nervous system more than a hundred years later. In addition to his scientific discoveries, Cajal was a writer of science fiction short stories under the name ďDr. BacteriaĒ, a bodybuilder in his younger years, a talented painter and artist, a doctor in the Spanish Army, and as a child, was briefly imprisoned in a local church for blowing a hole in his neighborís front door with a homemade cannon. This keyboard is a minor tribute to his brilliance.


Features:

If interested, please fill out this IC form. https://forms.gle/n4ayjAnfeBfFrukN7 (https://forms.gle/n4ayjAnfeBfFrukN7)

Thanks for your time,
Walletburner
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:11:51
huge fan of big ass knobs
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Post by: tskiller on Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:15:22
lookin slick
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Post by: legolandalf on Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:17:27
dat glow
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Post by: meatsmoothies on Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:18:45
gonna do my best to get in on this! it's absolutely gorgeous
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Post by: dingusxmcgee on Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:20:05
This board is beautiful. Happy to see this come to fruition!
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Post by: Hedgey on Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:24:10
In like Flynn!  This thing is gorgeous!
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Post by: CarlQs on Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:30:52
I'm ready yall...
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Post by: gminso on Wed, 04 December 2019, 14:49:24
Aww only if it included full alpha set... ;(
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Post by: TonyPia on Wed, 04 December 2019, 15:12:13
Will you bring the LEMO in the render as extra? BT support would be proper too. QMK/VIA?
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Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 04 December 2019, 15:26:19
Gru meme time
1. Board named after one of the most famous pathologists of all time
2. A literal microscope on the weight
3. Board is the size of my hand
4. <look at big hands used to TKLs>

Itís beautiful. A year from now Iím gonna be brigading ICs for this layout, arenít I.
Title: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: psxndc on Wed, 04 December 2019, 16:22:12
I like it a lot. Is the right shift a 1.25u? My only complaint would be if that was something other than a 1u there (my preference is a 1u ?/). Other renders make it look like a 1u slot, so I canít tell.
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Post by: Astrasa on Wed, 04 December 2019, 16:23:14
This looks really nice! Has a lot of features that I wish neuron had so I'll def be keeping an eye on this project.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 04 December 2019, 18:34:45
Will you bring the LEMO in the render as extra? BT support would be proper too. QMK/VIA?

haha no, you're on your own for cables. no way i can get a BT signal out of this dense lad, but yes the PCB is QMK-compatible. worldspawn will write the firmware once we get the proto PCBs.

one of the most famous pathologists of all time

hey, let's not pigeonhole the man.

Is the right shift a 1.25u?

yes, and i'll throw a KLE in the post when i get home.

Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: TonyPia on Wed, 04 December 2019, 19:21:09
Will you bring the LEMO in the render as extra? BT support would be proper too. QMK/VIA?

haha no, you're on your own for cables. no way i can get a BT signal out of this dense lad, but yes the PCB is QMK-compatible. worldspawn will write the firmware once we get the proto PCBs.


Don't even bother to answer my questions and make your best effort to make this to GB ASAP. Already picking up switches and caps for this board.
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Post by: TexMech on Thu, 05 December 2019, 06:21:55
Yus

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Post by: Steezy on Thu, 05 December 2019, 08:48:00
I'm definitely keeping my eye on this keyboard!
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Post by: funderburker on Thu, 05 December 2019, 10:12:23
What is this?! A tiny Satisfaction 75?  :-*
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Post by: walletburner on Thu, 05 December 2019, 10:43:51
What is this?! A tiny Satisfaction 75?  :-*

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Post by: TonyPia on Thu, 05 December 2019, 10:48:05
What is this?! A tiny Satisfaction 75?  :-*
Satisfaction75-unnecessary switches+extra space+portability = my expectation

@walletburner Hey wallet destroyer, is the rotary tactile or infinite?
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Post by: funderburker on Thu, 05 December 2019, 10:53:25
What is this?! A tiny Satisfaction 75?  :-*
jk lol  ;D

Love it, bro!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: DuellM on Thu, 05 December 2019, 17:22:13
Any chance for a red polycarbonate version
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Post by: walletburner on Thu, 05 December 2019, 18:04:21
Any chance for a red polycarbonate version

this run is likely to be aluminum only to limit cost and maximize MOQs, but it isn't out of the realm of possibility. have another render.
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Post by: i8ap4t on Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:28:50
Just renamed my savings account from 45-ATS to Cajal.
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Post by: Sup on Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:32:30
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?
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Post by: DuellM on Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:33:51
Damn, you got me. Sign me up
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Post by: i8ap4t on Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:35:40
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?

You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Sup on Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:48:35
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?

You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row

Oh yeah makes sense. A man can dream  :(
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Post by: vaughno on Thu, 05 December 2019, 19:57:39
woah that knob  :p
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Post by: walletburner on Thu, 05 December 2019, 20:54:39
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?

You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row

actually....
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ne interest avail?
Title: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: psxndc on Thu, 05 December 2019, 21:23:22
Ortho? Oh hell yes!
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Post by: jazzjarred on Fri, 06 December 2019, 06:38:44
big yes for ortho
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Post by: nasp on Fri, 06 December 2019, 13:13:08
Did someone say ortho?!  :eek:
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Post by: rondg on Fri, 06 December 2019, 19:45:36
Not really into 45% keyboards, but please consider selling the knobs? I would buy 2.
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Post by: walletburner on Sat, 07 December 2019, 09:24:39
Not really into 45% keyboards, but please consider selling the knobs? I would buy 2.

Gladly! the more we sell the cheaper I can price it for GB participants. I have to warn you though; they're 25mm, so they're too big to be used in regular switch spacing and probably most other boards.
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Post by: PulpitKeyboards on Sat, 07 December 2019, 10:47:04
I honestly want an ortho version of this so bad! I would actually love to see your take on a split ergo in the future too :D
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Post by: PocketAces on Sat, 07 December 2019, 10:54:48
E WHITE

E WHITE

E WHITE


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Post by: d00deitsnik on Sun, 08 December 2019, 00:48:25
Will you be selling extra knobs too? :D
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Post by: i8ap4t on Sun, 08 December 2019, 13:41:57
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?

You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row

actually....
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ne interest avail?

Sorry guys. I think I might be visually impaired or retarded.
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Post by: 1corazon on Thu, 12 December 2019, 04:54:10
Im in TAKE ALL MY MONEY!!!
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Post by: Critical_Thinker_ on Thu, 12 December 2019, 09:13:11

Make it wider and give us

------->       [ " ' ] [Enter]
------->    [ ? / ] [shift]

Other than that I think it is beautiful
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 12 December 2019, 09:40:48

Make it wider and give us

------->       [ " ' ] [Enter]
------->    [ ? / ] [shift]

Other than that I think it is beautiful
Yeah, same.
You already broke the golden rule of 40% by keeping the arrow cluster. Might as well keep the quote key. Too useful for the English language.
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Post by: funderburker on Thu, 12 December 2019, 10:05:49

Make it wider and give us

------->       [ " ' ] [Enter]
------->    [ ? / ] [shift]

Other than that I think it is beautiful
Yeah, same.
You already broke the golden rule of 40% by keeping the arrow cluster. Might as well keep the quote key. Too useful for the English language.

Full alphas is where it's at.  :p
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Post by: Seoulcialite on Thu, 12 December 2019, 12:29:54
Instabuy for me if full alphas.
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Post by: psxndc on Thu, 12 December 2019, 12:36:33

Make it wider and give us

------->       [ " ' ] [Enter]
------->    [ ? / ] [shift]

Other than that I think it is beautiful
Yeah, same.
You already broke the golden rule of 40% by keeping the arrow cluster. Might as well keep the quote key. Too useful for the English language.

Imma be honest, this is why ortho appeals to me: room for all the keys (and of course, it's not staggered).
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Thu, 12 December 2019, 15:03:27
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.

have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
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Post by: Abec13 on Thu, 12 December 2019, 15:19:57
45 percent-- best layout! This looks chonky and great.
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Post by: walletburner on Thu, 12 December 2019, 15:28:21
45 percent-- best layout! This looks chonky and great.

hey thanks! and glws on the 45-ATS!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: TonyPia on Thu, 12 December 2019, 16:52:27
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.

have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
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First thank you for listening carefully to what folks say.
I believe 45% size is more concentrated on pure typing experience and I believe full alpha will serve the purpose even better.
I didn't show the interest explicitly assuming dimension involved changing at this stage is hard and I think there could be many people who thought like me.
But if you are OK with the change if there is enough interest, I'm in for full alpha.
I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.
I guess asking for 60, 65% is more like asking blue out of red while 45% full alpha is orange.
I would wait for your next project for larger size keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Sedula on Thu, 12 December 2019, 23:46:23
first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy.

Just sayin', but using responses to a completely open-ended question to gauge relative interest in unspecified features is going to potentially give you staggeringly inaccurate results. If you actually care about doing it "democratically" (which tbh it's fine if you don't), you should be polling on specific layouts. Otherwise you might end up with a scenario where, say, a majority would prefer Layout A but assumed it wouldn't be on the table so there was no point in asking, while fans of Layout B, while fewer in number, were more bold about requesting it.

It could be that your initial assumptions are right; but there are just too many factors in play to be at all certain about the relevance of responses to an open-end that open-ended.
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Post by: orim23 on Fri, 13 December 2019, 00:22:25
+1 for full alpha
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Post by: noorejji on Fri, 13 December 2019, 01:56:13
Wow, very unique board. Full alphas would be interesting, but I understand if it would be too much of a design change to implement here. In any case I'll be waiting warmly for your future designs.

Out of curiosity, would it be possible to assemble this board without the diffuser? Any ortho renders inc?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Fri, 13 December 2019, 10:37:58
I understand if it would be too much of a design change to implement here

unfortunately i think it is, and since we are at 759 responses to the IC form as of this moment, i am not eager to alter a design that has received such an overwhelmingly warm response. like i said in an earlier response, if you're someone with whom full alphas are a dealbreaker, the 50% i will release after this should fit your preferences better. the goal of the Cajal project was to produce a premium 45%, and i feel i have achieved that goal.

Out of curiosity, would it be possible to assemble this board without the diffuser? Any ortho renders inc?

because the diffuser is part of the usb-c hole, it might compress the connector if you omit it, but i can check this when the prototypes arrive and perhaps alter the design slightly to accommodate it. no ortho renders at the moment, but i should complete the ortho plate design this weekend, submit for prototypes early next week, and get some renders ready in a week or two :)
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Post by: consumer on Fri, 13 December 2019, 17:55:50
I understand if it would be too much of a design change to implement here

unfortunately i think it is, and since we are at 759 responses to the IC form as of this moment, i am not eager to alter a design that has received such an overwhelmingly warm response. like i said in an earlier response, if you're someone with whom full alphas are a dealbreaker, the 50% i will release after this should fit your preferences better. the goal of the Cajal project was to produce a premium 45%, and i feel i have achieved that goal.

Out of curiosity, would it be possible to assemble this board without the diffuser? Any ortho renders inc?

because the diffuser is part of the usb-c hole, it might compress the connector if you omit it, but i can check this when the prototypes arrive and perhaps alter the design slightly to accommodate it. no ortho renders at the moment, but i should complete the ortho plate design this weekend, submit for prototypes early next week, and get some renders ready in a week or two :)

+1 buy for ortho layout
heck, will also get if full alpha in the next round


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Post by: modeseven on Fri, 13 December 2019, 19:59:43
Only one person, I filled out the IC, but knowing that there will be a full alpha version, I think thatís what I am gonna go for. The wait will be painful.
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Post by: TonyPia on Fri, 13 December 2019, 22:00:15
unfortunately i think it is, and since we are at 759 responses to the IC form as of this moment, i am not eager to alter a design that has received such an overwhelmingly warm response. like i said in an earlier response, if you're someone with whom full alphas are a dealbreaker, the 50% i will release after this should fit your preferences better. the goal of the Cajal project was to produce a premium 45%, and i feel i have achieved that goal.

@walletburner Do you have Discord or mailing list?
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Post by: walletburner on Sat, 14 December 2019, 11:49:22
@walletburner Do you have Discord or mailing list?

not at the moment, but i might send a reminder email to those who have filled out the IC when the full GB opens. i am also building a website to facilitate sales of the Neuron GB extras and coordinate the Cajal GB, as well as put up other resources such as QMK libraries, layouts and general info. so with that might come a discord, we will see.
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Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 17 December 2019, 19:22:03
Color me interested. A few questions:


Thanks! I will be watching this GB.
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Post by: nyankoclaws on Sat, 28 December 2019, 20:21:28
Omg love the design soo much. Just wondering would you be able to do a rose gold version?
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Post by: worldspawn on Sat, 28 December 2019, 23:14:27
I can say from experience that a 45% is a good transition from a full size or 60% to a small form factor, probably my favorite layout for straight typing actually.

It uses the typical 40s caps, 1.25 R3 tab, 1.75 R3 enter, 1u R2 esc, 1.75 and 1.25 R4 shifts, 2.25 and 2.75 split space bars, other keys are normal.
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Post by: grav3serker on Sun, 29 December 2019, 01:18:08
100% in on this

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Post by: Delo on Sun, 29 December 2019, 03:14:41
I did't think I would be interested in a 45% but this got me thinking
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Post by: sharkz_vaderz on Sun, 29 December 2019, 06:17:31
i'm a knob guy.So, l'm in!!!
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Post by: LXYN on Sun, 29 December 2019, 10:57:03
Very nice! Only Hotswap PCB available? I want a soldered PCB.
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Sun, 29 December 2019, 11:00:24
That baby**** green colorway is an instant cop
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Post by: PocketAces on Sun, 29 December 2019, 11:44:00
E white or Rose gold and Iím in. Better yet, E-white and PVD rose gold on a brass knob. I would buy like 5.


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Post by: delet_d on Sun, 29 December 2019, 14:02:46
Very nice! Only Hotswap PCB available? I want a soldered PCB.

+1 to soldered pcb
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Post by: walletburner on Sun, 29 December 2019, 18:50:27
rose gold version?

E white or Rose gold and Iím in. Better yet, E-white and PVD rose gold on a brass knob.
hmm not bad ideas :D ill see what i can do

Very nice! Only Hotswap PCB available? I want a soldered PCB.

+1 to soldered pcb

i can look into this as well. i want to prioritize offering a hotswap PCB in the GB so it is accessible to new people in the hobby, but a solderable PCB is definitely a possibility.





Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: nyankoclaws on Sun, 29 December 2019, 21:48:34
rose gold version?

E white or Rose gold and Iím in. Better yet, E-white and PVD rose gold on a brass knob.
hmm not bad ideas :D ill see what i can do
Omg thank you :D Can't wait to get my hands on it!
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Post by: d00deitsnik on Mon, 30 December 2019, 02:04:47
Not sure how different sandblasted brass and champagne gold are, but a champagne gold would be a nice color. For either the knob or case. I'm pretty set on the blue, but a champagne gold would make me reconsider.
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Post by: klaygor on Tue, 21 January 2020, 22:06:33
i forgot to ask for it in the IC i filled out but can we get an all 1u ortho layout or can it only support a 2u spacebar?
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Post by: Ahrimofnor on Wed, 22 January 2020, 18:19:51
How does the gasket + stoppers system work?

4.4 lbs though
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Post by: nasp on Wed, 22 January 2020, 21:53:43
i forgot to ask for it in the IC i filled out but can we get an all 1u ortho layout or can it only support a 2u spacebar?

It can do full grid, 2u bar, and 7u bar according to the KLE he posted earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: klaygor on Wed, 22 January 2020, 22:12:12
Per the usual i cannot read. I looked right at that photo and didnít see the full grid support. Thanks for the reply
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: ideus on Wed, 22 January 2020, 22:26:16
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.

have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
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First thank you for listening carefully to what folks say.
I believe 45% size is more concentrated on pure typing experience and I believe full alpha will serve the purpose even better.
I didn't show the interest explicitly assuming dimension involved changing at this stage is hard and I think there could be many people who thought like me.
But if you are OK with the change if there is enough interest, I'm in for full alpha.
I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.
I guess asking for 60, 65% is more like asking blue out of red while 45% full alpha is orange.
I would wait for your next project for larger size keyboard.


What is the point of having a board the size of a sixty but less functional, just for the sake of how it looks. One more time, to each its own.

(https://i.imgur.com/scEBsUx.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: TonyPia on Wed, 22 January 2020, 22:52:26
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.

have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
(Attachment Link)

First thank you for listening carefully to what folks say.
I believe 45% size is more concentrated on pure typing experience and I believe full alpha will serve the purpose even better.
I didn't show the interest explicitly assuming dimension involved changing at this stage is hard and I think there could be many people who thought like me.
But if you are OK with the change if there is enough interest, I'm in for full alpha.
I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.
I guess asking for 60, 65% is more like asking blue out of red while 45% full alpha is orange.
I would wait for your next project for larger size keyboard.


What is the point of having a board the size of a sixty but less functional, just for the sake of how it looks. One more time, to each its own.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/scEBsUx.jpg)



Not sure if adding one extra key for each row here makes the size of 60. Should be the width of 65 minus 1 row just like 65 is the with of 75 minus 1 row.
If you consider losing number row from 65 is losing function, I don't agree because we will not lose any function just like we don't lose any function from 75 when down-sizing to 65.
I didn't know existence of 50% concept so technically asked him to change 45% to 50 or 55% and then realized there will another 50ish project from walletburner then stopped asking waiting for the project.
I wish his next version has 65% minus # row, all the features that Kajal has + BT and HotSwap PCB.
I'm definitely in for that project.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Thu, 23 January 2020, 10:16:49
Not sure how different sandblasted brass and champagne gold are, but a champagne gold would be a nice color. For either the knob or case. I'm pretty set on the blue, but a champagne gold would make me reconsider.

when i think "champagne gold", i think of basically the color that sandblasted brass is. i would probably only do one or the other, leaning towards brass because it might feel better because of its mass.

How does the gasket + stoppers system work?

4.4 lbs though

basically the plate is sandwiched between adhesive-backed nitrile strips, then attached to the case via a screw that goes through a hole in the trapezoidal stoppers through a slit in the plate to attach it to the case. it isn't a design style that has been tried yet (to my knowledge), but i think it will allow people to adjust their gasket tension to their preferences. i will take pictures when the prototypes arrive :)


I wish his next version has 65% minus # row, all the features that Cajal has + BT and HotSwap PCB.
I'm definitely in for that project.


it's a pretty long ways out. i am about to ship Neuron, then i will focus on Cajal, then ??. but i have some preliminary designs for a 50% that i will share here on GH when the timing is right..
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: TonyPia on Thu, 23 January 2020, 10:45:15
Not sure how different sandblasted brass and champagne gold are, but a champagne gold would be a nice color. For either the knob or case. I'm pretty set on the blue, but a champagne gold would make me reconsider.

when i think "champagne gold", i think of basically the color that sandblasted brass is. i would probably only do one or the other, leaning towards brass because it might feel better because of its mass.

How does the gasket + stoppers system work?

4.4 lbs though

basically the plate is sandwiched between adhesive-backed nitrile strips, then attached to the case via a screw that goes through a hole in the trapezoidal stoppers through a slit in the plate to attach it to the case. it isn't a design style that has been tried yet (to my knowledge), but i think it will allow people to adjust their gasket tension to their preferences. i will take pictures when the prototypes arrive :)


I wish his next version has 65% minus # row, all the features that Cajal has + BT and HotSwap PCB.
I'm definitely in for that project.


it's a pretty long ways out. i am about to ship Neuron, then i will focus on Cajal, then ??. but i have some preliminary designs for a 50% that i will share here on GH when the timing is right..


I fully understand the nature of GB. Good luck with the GB and keep us posted on your next projects. Kajal looks pretty stunning still. I will likely regret I miss this GB but canít afford another board that is pretty but I rarely use, for now :)


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: delet_d on Thu, 23 January 2020, 10:50:41
it's a pretty long ways out. i am about to ship Neuron, then i will focus on Cajal, then ??. but i have some preliminary designs for a 50% that i will share here on GH when the timing is right..

Waiting for that 50%!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: i luv chuletas on Fri, 24 January 2020, 09:41:01
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb? It was the first thing I put into the IC, to later realize that you had put a layout on the actual thread for Ortho haha.

If it is possible, I'd ignore another GB I was setting my wallet up for in order to go for this instead.  :cool: :))

Viva la Ortho-resistance
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Fri, 24 January 2020, 10:21:07
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?

Absolutely.

[attachimg=1]

Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 24 January 2020, 10:54:46
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?

Absolutely.

(Attachment Link)

Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Fri, 24 January 2020, 10:56:50
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?

Absolutely.

(Attachment Link)

Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)

definitely not; i really hate swiss cheese PCBs and it's also impossible with the staggered hotswap sockets.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: klaygor on Fri, 24 January 2020, 13:50:58
@ideus

It is my understanding based on the other boards this creator has done and uses that this is NOT a 65% that has had functionality removed to be replaced by "art". I guess that is what you meant by the screenshot of the Venus de Milo. I believe this board is a 40% that has been expanded to include a little more functionality than a typical 40 would have, including some "art". Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your argument is based on a perspective that a line should be drawn for keyboards based on the physical size as much as the number of keys in an attempt to conserve precious space. Something we all value in MK, I think. But I believe this board is an attempt to be a larger 40% (45%) rather than smaller 60/65% board, to strike a balance between form and function that is unique.

I think I understand your perspective and I don't disagree with it. If I were interested in this board but really wanted it to be 60/65% I would feel just as you do. In fact I have felt that way before. However, as someone who has always looked at a 40% and felt there was always something missing from the layout, I look at this board as the perfect balance between design and use. I can get all the functionality I truly need and the design is pleasing as well. Thank you, ideus, for giving me something interesting to think about, happy to read your reply if you write.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: ideus on Fri, 24 January 2020, 14:34:31
@ideus

It is my understanding based on the other boards this creator has done and uses that this is NOT a 65% that has had functionality removed to be replaced by "art". I guess that is what you meant by the screenshot of the Venus de Milo. I believe this board is a 40% that has been expanded to include a little more functionality than a typical 40 would have, including some "art". Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your argument is based on a perspective that a line should be drawn for keyboards based on the physical size as much as the number of keys in an attempt to conserve precious space. Something we all value in MK, I think. But I believe this board is an attempt to be a larger 40% (45%) rather than smaller 60/65% board, to strike a balance between form and function that is unique.

I think I understand your perspective and I don't disagree with it. If I were interested in this board but really wanted it to be 60/65% I would feel just as you do. In fact I have felt that way before. However, as someone who has always looked at a 40% and felt there was always something missing from the layout, I look at this board as the perfect balance between design and use. I can get all the functionality I truly need and the design is pleasing as well. Thank you, ideus, for giving me something interesting to think about, happy to read your reply if you write.


I regret my post, so I apologize with the OP for tread-crapping his IC. The board is beautiful and for people that like the format is a great opportunity to get one of the best 40 designs available. I am typing this on a 50 percent board that I like; yet, I think that it is a bit frustrating at times, when a shifted function is needed frequently. Anyways, I hope this IC gets successful.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Fri, 24 January 2020, 14:45:37
weird vibes in here. clearing it out with renders.
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Title: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 24 January 2020, 14:58:17
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.


The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs. Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.

I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.

This is said in jest by the way. Just pointing out what's been raised in other threads.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Sedula on Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:04:19
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.


The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs.

Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.

I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.

Grabbing popcorn for this mild drama (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100396.msg2835034#msg2835034).
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: klaygor on Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:09:55
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.


The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs.

Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.

I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.


This is said in jest by the way. Just pointing out what's been raised in other threads.


@nguyenhimself

I definitely understand wanting non standard options on a board or a keyset. None of my desires for layouts are 100% compatible with anything I've seen so far so I have to use blanks and such. People always suggest to me that I should try to get my own IC started to create just the perfect board or keyset that I would want and see if everyone else is just as interested enough to make it a GB. I may do it one day. Sounds like work though, ROFL.

I totally get what @psxndc is saying too. MK is kinda already niche as it is right, so listening to what the majority of the community wants is vital to be successful.
Title: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:14:47
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.


The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs.

Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.

I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.

Grabbing popcorn for this mild drama (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100396.msg2835034#msg2835034).



Ferrealz. I just thought it was a funny ask given "the mild drama." I edited my post to make it clearer I meant it in jest.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: klaygor on Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:17:13
Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: klaygor on Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:24:40
@ideus

It is my understanding based on the other boards this creator has done and uses that this is NOT a 65% that has had functionality removed to be replaced by "art". I guess that is what you meant by the screenshot of the Venus de Milo. I believe this board is a 40% that has been expanded to include a little more functionality than a typical 40 would have, including some "art". Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your argument is based on a perspective that a line should be drawn for keyboards based on the physical size as much as the number of keys in an attempt to conserve precious space. Something we all value in MK, I think. But I believe this board is an attempt to be a larger 40% (45%) rather than smaller 60/65% board, to strike a balance between form and function that is unique.

I think I understand your perspective and I don't disagree with it. If I were interested in this board but really wanted it to be 60/65% I would feel just as you do. In fact I have felt that way before. However, as someone who has always looked at a 40% and felt there was always something missing from the layout, I look at this board as the perfect balance between design and use. I can get all the functionality I truly need and the design is pleasing as well. Thank you, ideus, for giving me something interesting to think about, happy to read your reply if you write.


I regret my post, so I apologize with the OP for tread-crapping his IC. The board is beautiful and for people that like the format is a great opportunity to get one of the best 40 designs available. I am typing this on a 50 percent board that I like; yet, I think that it is a bit frustrating at times, when a shifted function is needed frequently. Anyways, I hope this IC gets successful.

Hey man I had no intention of making you regret anything. I totally feel that pain of seeing something I really like but not being able to get on board because of one design choice or another. We are all looking for that endgame right? :) You just got me thinking man, no hard feelings.
Title: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 24 January 2020, 15:30:55
Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?

In another IC, Ngyuen and I had a contentious back and forth because I asked the runner to add a key for Minivan support (where minivan was one of the renders). Ngyuen said I was placing a burden on the community by forcing those without minivans to pay for my one minivan key. Then they asked OP here to support ortho alphas and normal mods on the PCB - literally changing the PCB design. I just thought it was a funny/surprising ask here given their stance on adding a single keycap in another IC, so I quoted their own post back to them as a joke.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: klaygor on Fri, 24 January 2020, 16:03:00
Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?

In another IC, Ngyuen and I had a contentious back and forth because I asked the runner to add a key for Minivan support (where minivan was one of the renders). Ngyuen said I was placing a burden on the community by forcing those without minivans to pay for my one minivan key. Then they asked OP here to support ortho alphas and normal mods on the PCB - literally changing the PCB design. I just thought it was a funny/surprising ask here given their stance on adding a single keycap in another IC, so I quoted their own post back to them as a joke.

Ah, I've waded into something I didn't intend lol. Yeah we all say things. He did say he regrets it. We all want that perfect board so it makes sense to at least ask the questions and sometimes it is easy to miss the forest for the trees.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: GigaFlop on Sat, 25 January 2020, 16:52:32
Here's another +1 for interest in full alphas. This board looks gorgeous, and I don't have anything with a bigass knob on it yet, but I find myself using the right-most alphas in my work too often to want to layer them on something so premium.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 27 January 2020, 23:34:13
Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?

In another IC, Ngyuen and I had a contentious back and forth because I asked the runner to add a key for Minivan support (where minivan was one of the renders). Ngyuen said I was placing a burden on the community by forcing those without minivans to pay for my one minivan key. Then they asked OP here to support ortho alphas and normal mods on the PCB - literally changing the PCB design. I just thought it was a funny/surprising ask here given their stance on adding a single keycap in another IC, so I quoted their own post back to them as a joke.
Eh that was just a long shot.
No big deal.
Will def buy one for the ortho layout.
Letís not give this IC a weird vibe.
Itís a great board.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: psxndc on Mon, 27 January 2020, 23:54:47
I was just joking. No weird vibes here.

Love the ortho Cajal.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Zeelobby on Tue, 28 January 2020, 06:23:58
Gotta say, once I heard this thing was coming in Ortho, my interest doubled. For some reason these smaller layouts just scream Ortho to me. I'm back on board!

Just as a random crazy aside, I wonder what it would look like with choc low profile keys...hmmm

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: ideus on Tue, 28 January 2020, 07:28:40
Full alphas, even if it is ortho - joking aside - may give this IC a better outlook.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Tue, 28 January 2020, 09:25:25
Full alphas, even if it is ortho - joking aside - may give this IC a better outlook.

actually the board has received an extremely warm response, with >1200 IC form responses in under 2 months, and 3 prototypes are currently under production. the layout is not changing at this point. if you want a 50%, I guess you'll have to either buy a TMO50 or wait for my next project. i hope you find what you're looking for.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 28 January 2020, 14:29:26
It's a vocal minority. For all we know making it full alpha could decrease its popularity.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Sedula on Tue, 28 January 2020, 14:51:18
It's a vocal minority. For all we know making it full alpha could decrease its popularity.

I don't disagree with the reasoning as far as popularity, but I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish when it's already been made repeatedly clear that the layout is no longer up for debate.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: ideus on Tue, 28 January 2020, 21:01:09
Full alphas, even if it is ortho - joking aside - may give this IC a better outlook.

actually the board has received an extremely warm response, with >1200 IC form responses in under 2 months, and 3 prototypes are currently under production. the layout is not changing at this point. if you want a 50%, I guess you'll have to either buy a TMO50 or wait for my next project. i hope you find what you're looking for.

Wow. If all those IC forms turn into orders your project might produce revenues in the hundred thousands range. Congratulations.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: i luv chuletas on Wed, 29 January 2020, 23:38:43
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?

Absolutely.

(Attachment Link)

Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.

Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Thu, 30 January 2020, 09:28:21
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya

because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case  :D

as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 30 January 2020, 09:40:21
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya

because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case  :D

as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.
Awesome news. Haha. Was wondering if chocs were an option, but understand why it'd be hard with this case. Looking forward to seeing the PC option.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: i luv chuletas on Thu, 30 January 2020, 13:33:45
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))

Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?

Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya

because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case  :D

as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.

Awesome stuff. I'm genuinely excited man!
Last question I got for you, is the polycarb version finale? And will we have the option to choose color combos with the Knob, or would it come as a singular kit/option?

Thanks mate  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: kfys93 on Fri, 31 January 2020, 06:38:45
I would definitely get this if it is a 60/65% board. Hope to see a 65% ver. of this board(or a whole new one) in the future! Nevertheless, love the design and the aesthetics of this board! Awesome work! GLW this project!
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Post by: Top Right Logo on Thu, 20 February 2020, 18:20:53
Can't wait to see that polycarb ortho!
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Post by: walletburner on Fri, 21 February 2020, 10:26:12
Can't wait to see that polycarb ortho!

same! still waiting for factory production to resume. i know everything has been machined, but i am waiting for anodizing and dyeing of the polycarbonate. soon(tm)!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: trogdors_arm on Wed, 26 February 2020, 22:28:46
I am so hyped on these renders and that ortho layout! This board looks so good! I realize weíre still early days, but do we have any estimates for GB? Just trying to prepare my butt wallet.
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Post by: i luv chuletas on Mon, 16 March 2020, 15:15:04
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(
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Post by: walletburner on Mon, 16 March 2020, 15:37:45
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.
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Post by: i luv chuletas on Mon, 16 March 2020, 15:52:23
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.

That would honestly be a HUGE plus for me man, it's how I like to use my orthos <3

Best combination for function layers imo
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Post by: cosmo10292 on Tue, 24 March 2020, 17:37:51
Did i read that right... Hotswap is no more?
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Post by: Sedula on Tue, 24 March 2020, 17:57:27
Did i read that right... Hotswap is no more?

Pretty sure that's only if you want an ortho layout. The hotswap board was always staggered.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: SryImBadAtNaming on Tue, 24 March 2020, 21:22:53
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(
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Post by: psxndc on Tue, 24 March 2020, 22:36:47
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(
God gave you two kidneys for times like this. You only need one.
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Post by: i luv chuletas on Tue, 24 March 2020, 22:41:21
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(
God gave you two kidneys for times like this. You only need one.

I already made peace with mine  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 25 March 2020, 11:45:39
hey yall! i'm happy to announce e-white will be offered as a color in this GB. prototypes in pink polycarbonate, Space Grey, and Bushido Red are almost complete, and i am hoping for a ship date to me sometime next week. there will be (hopefully) at least one month's notice given before the GB runs, which will run on Walletburner.co for simplicity. with coronavirus affecting not just manufacturing but also deeply affecting many customers' lives, i will be monitoring the situation globally and making a decision about when to launch accordingly after the kinks are worked out with the prototypes. stay safe!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:04:28
Any plans of running this again in the far future, but with a 1u wider layout (to accommodate ]}, ;: and /?)? I guess that would make it a Cajal 50% :)
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Post by: walletburner on Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:17:31
scroll up, because i think i have been abundantly clear about that topic.
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Post by: konstantin on Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:29:02
Thanks, I must've missed that. In that case, I agree with the following sentiments:

first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy.

Just sayin', but using responses to a completely open-ended question to gauge relative interest in unspecified features is going to potentially give you staggeringly inaccurate results. If you actually care about doing it "democratically" (which tbh it's fine if you don't), you should be polling on specific layouts. Otherwise you might end up with a scenario where, say, a majority would prefer Layout A but assumed it wouldn't be on the table so there was no point in asking, while fans of Layout B, while fewer in number, were more bold about requesting it.

It could be that your initial assumptions are right; but there are just too many factors in play to be at all certain about the relevance of responses to an open-end that open-ended.

I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.

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Post by: konstantin on Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:32:07
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(

hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.

+1 for 2◊2u ortho.

With ortho we can get those full alphas, and 2◊2u makes it just a tad more usable.
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Post by: walletburner on Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:35:05
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Post by: TonyPia on Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:46:55
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nice.
I'm still waiting for your 50% board after this one if I cannot get one of these.
Believe you said it would be small number raffle style GB, right?
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Post by: konstantin on Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:48:14
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Right. That's not going to stop people from wanting to use a board whose design they like in a manner that's most convenient for them. :P
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Post by: Hedgey on Wed, 25 March 2020, 12:56:20
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Right. That's not going to stop people from wanting to use a board whose design they like in a manner that's most convenient for them. :P

But then why come into an IC and ask for a change that is completely different than what the designer is looking to do?  Adding another column or row or whatever COMPLETELY changes the design of nearly every aspect of the board including the case.  Asking for Ortho, while still annoying IMO, is a little less intrusive because the 1U setup fits almost everything anyway. 

It's one thing to come into an IC and say "This isn't for me, but it looks nice."  It's completely asinine and bonkers to come into an IC and ask for a completely different layout that will literally change dimensions on a board.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 25 March 2020, 13:02:18
But then why come into an IC and ask for a change that is completely different than what the designer is looking to do?  Adding another column or row or whatever COMPLETELY changes the design of nearly every aspect of the board including the case.  Asking for Ortho, while still annoying IMO, is a little less intrusive because the 1U setup fits almost everything anyway. 

It's one thing to come into an IC and say "This isn't for me, but it looks nice."  It's completely asinine and bonkers to come into an IC and ask for a completely different layout that will literally change dimensions on a board.

Kindly read my post again. I did not ask for an extra column on this board, but on a potential future version/round of the design. The fact that I agree with some of the comments on how the IC form was conducted and interpreted also has nothing to do with asking for design changes to this board.

Since the designer has stated that they will be releasing a 50% board in the future, this discussion can be put to rest. For the time being, I care more about the possibility of having 2◊2u ortho on this board, as that would make it more usable for me and thus turn it into a potential purchase.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: i luv chuletas on Wed, 25 March 2020, 13:03:52
Can we just enjoy the updates?

On a different note, glad to see e-white come through! Now i know what I'm going for. Any chance for renders of those any time soon?

Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 25 March 2020, 13:22:08
Can we just enjoy the updates?

pls, this.

Any chance for renders of those any time soon?

sure, i dont see why not. i'll shoot for a new round of renders to coincide w GB launch but it's more likely you'll see pics of the protos before you see those renders.

Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!

i'll have to check again but my understanding is this will smash right into some of the existing stab cutouts. will send an update if it's doable.

let's all stay frosty out there. i am working on plenty of side-projects for after or during Cajal, and when those boards are IC'd, id be happy to discuss them. for now, let's keep this focused on this board as it is and what features you'd like added that don't require a complete redesign.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Top Right Logo on Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:25:54
If the 2x2U is possible, would love to see it.  Definitely my favorite ortho layout. Not sure of the majority though so no need to force it.
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Post by: abellp327 on Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:36:11
Count me in!! loving this
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Post by: Hapi on Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:39:42
Alps support would be nice


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Post by: walletburner on Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:46:41
Alps support would be nice


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impossible on the staggered version due to the hotswap sockets, but definitely going in the ortho version. you'll need a 1.2mm plate made by laserboost. as with all my projects, plate files will be avail after the GB.
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Post by: Hapi on Wed, 25 March 2020, 14:48:47
Fantastic!!


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Post by: i luv chuletas on Wed, 25 March 2020, 15:03:58
Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!

i'll have to check again but my understanding is this will smash right into some of the existing stab cutouts. will send an update if it's doable.

oi, if it's the stabs for the 1x2u layout I wouldn't mind forgoing it altogether haha, closer to your original staggered design anyhow  ;) :p

No but I do hope it works out somehow, this is legit as close as endgame could ever get for me in ortho layouts
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Jaltr on Wed, 25 March 2020, 15:06:45
Rotary encoders ftw
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Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 25 March 2020, 19:28:20
Damn. Def wanna do an Alps Ortho with that 7u space.
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Post by: psxndc on Wed, 25 March 2020, 20:31:48
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 25 March 2020, 20:51:04
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.
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Post by: psxndc on Wed, 25 March 2020, 21:50:54
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.
Just ordered an Alps switch tester!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 25 March 2020, 21:53:16
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?


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Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.
Just ordered an Alps switch tester!
That's pretty tight. Yeah. Theyre just no longer produced. Harder to find. Expensive, depending on what your looking for. Honestly it's a cool experiment for someone whose never used them before, and a go-to for someone who has and really liked them. But MX switches are great too.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Tobu on Fri, 27 March 2020, 13:09:35
Missed your neuron boards. 100% in on this one.
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Post by: Meowsaur on Tue, 07 April 2020, 20:04:14
Not a native 40% user, but I really, really like this.

Any possibility of alternative bottom row support (1.25, 1.25, 6.25, 1.25)?
Understandable if not; I'm likely in the minority with this one.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: MunkaMinka on Tue, 07 April 2020, 20:50:13
Very very excited and in for this.
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Post by: DERBS on Wed, 08 April 2020, 19:22:32
Forgot to mention in my google form but +1 for non-hotswap PCB option, even if i have to pay extra :D
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: fakedSkill on Wed, 08 April 2020, 23:42:14
Hauntingly beautiful ... rly eta? :)
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Post by: walletburner on Thu, 09 April 2020, 12:45:02
Missed your neuron boards. 100% in on this one.
Very very excited and in for this.

thx so much yall!

Not a native 40% user, but I really, really like this.

Any possibility of alternative bottom row support (1.25, 1.25, 6.25, 1.25)?
Understandable if not; I'm likely in the minority with this one.

unlikely in R1 due to hotswap, but the design choice to go with split spacebar was because sub-50%s really benefit from having one split spacebar as an easily accessible Fn key. it really opens up the layout and makes a 2 as easy to type as a capital T. since this is basically just an elaborated Neuron, I went with the most popular configuration of that board, but perhaps a full-size spacebar solderable PCB in the future (or R2) will make that possible.

Forgot to mention in my google form but +1 for non-hotswap PCB option, even if i have to pay extra :D

unlikely for staggered layout, but offered on the ortho PCB. If the feel is off while daily driver testing the staggered PCB, the design choice will change, but offering 3 PCBs is just too much lol.


Hauntingly beautiful ... rly eta? :)

I just received 3 prototypes (1 x Space Grey, 1 x Bushido Red, 1 x Cotton Candy Pink PC) for testing and evaluation. Assuming there aren't any issues with fit, feel, or function, the biggest unknown right now is the international coronavirus pandemic. While I do not anticipate issues with production, I know many people whose jobs are completely evaporating at the moment, and I would hate for the group-buy to coincide with a time of financial and social insecurity for people who have watched and supported this project from the beginning. I will keep a keen eye on things and make a decision after testing.


also edit: we are above 1500 responses to the IC form. y'all are absolute a n i m a l s. thanks so much for the support!
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Post by: fakedSkill on Thu, 09 April 2020, 13:06:57

Quote
I just received 3 prototypes (1 x Space Grey, 1 x Bushido Red, 1 x Cotton Candy Pink PC) for testing and evaluation. Assuming there aren't any issues with fit, feel, or function, the biggest unknown right now is the international coronavirus pandemic. While I do not anticipate issues with production, I know many people whose jobs are completely evaporating at the moment, and I would hate for the group-buy to coincide with a time of financial and social insecurity for people who have watched and supported this project from the beginning. I will be keep a keen eye on things and make a decision after testing.

Amazing! Cant wait to see the prototypes! Thanks for the update!

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Post by: FRANCO on Fri, 10 April 2020, 09:49:40
Any chance for a colab with Rama for a big ass knob? =)
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Post by: DuellM on Fri, 10 April 2020, 10:12:48
Any chance for a colab with Rama for a big ass knob? =)
I second this, I would love it to have a Rama knob too
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: FSund on Fri, 10 April 2020, 13:12:33
Anyone have any experience with the durability and finish of e-white compared to anodization?
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Post by: lasernasaur on Fri, 10 April 2020, 13:36:15
In for a red one. Love the design
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Post by: eczactly on Fri, 10 April 2020, 13:45:55
Anyone have any experience with the durability and finish of e-white compared to anodization?
is e-white not an anodized?


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Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 10 April 2020, 13:48:29
Anyone have any experience with the durability and finish of e-white compared to anodization?
is e-white not an anodized?


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Nah. E-coating deposits paint using electric current. Anodizing changes the top layer of the aluminum via chemical processes.
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Post by: eczactly on Fri, 10 April 2020, 16:55:58
Nah. E-coating deposits paint using electric current. Anodizing changes the top layer of the aluminum via chemical processes.
powder-coating?


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Post by: ttom on Fri, 10 April 2020, 17:16:54
Nah. E-coating deposits paint using electric current. Anodizing changes the top layer of the aluminum via chemical processes.
powder-coating?


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e-white = electrophoresis

powder coating isn't very favoured in keyboards given the thickness of the coating on the product, and how to make it work you need to plug the screw holes which is just excess effort for a worse finish
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Post by: eczactly on Fri, 10 April 2020, 23:48:47
Nah. E-coating deposits paint using electric current. Anodizing changes the top layer of the aluminum via chemical processes.
powder-coating?


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e-white = electrophoresis

powder coating isn't very favoured in keyboards given the thickness of the coating on the product, and how to make it work you need to plug the screw holes which is just excess effort for a worse finish

I donít know how I forgot that 🙃. Thank you.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 15 April 2020, 14:03:51
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed  :D
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Post by: rudy44 on Wed, 15 April 2020, 14:06:52
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed  :D

BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!
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Post by: walletburner on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:14:39
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed  :D

BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!

Like this?
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Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:19:27
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed  :D

BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!

 

Like this?
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Hol up,

I was interested but that, that is not legal.
It looks way to good.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: TonyPia on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:40:11
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed  :D

BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!

 

Like this?
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Hol up,

I was interested but that, that is not legal.
It looks way to good.

first time to see actual red pc? interesting. what's the recommended keycap?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Jaltr on Wed, 15 April 2020, 17:13:18
So hyped this is getting closer to GB!
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Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 15 April 2020, 17:19:10
I'd say it's more of a pink PC. Red pc is def red.
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Post by: walletburner on Wed, 15 April 2020, 17:20:25
I'd say it's more of a pink PC. Red pc is def red.

Correct, this is a cotton candy pink that may or may not be available in the GB  :cool:
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Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 15 April 2020, 17:24:13
I'd say it's more of a pink PC. Red pc is def red.

Correct, this is a cotton candy pink that may or may not be available in the GB  :cool:
It looks great tho. Fits the cajal's chunk perfectly.
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Post by: konstantin on Wed, 15 April 2020, 18:02:28
Like this?
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Now that's an ortho board that I could get down with! Any updates on the 2◊2u space support?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 15 April 2020, 18:02:58
Like this?
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Now that's an ortho board that I could get down with! Any updates on the 2◊2u space support?
It has been added :)
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 15 April 2020, 18:12:22
It has been added :)

I love you and my wallet hates you rn :)

Edit: I guess the username checks out :D
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Post by: d00deitsnik on Wed, 15 April 2020, 21:31:03
That cotton candy pink looks magical!!
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Post by: rudy44 on Wed, 15 April 2020, 21:44:36
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed  :D

BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!

Like this?
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WOOHOO! I'm down for one in full grid. Can't wait for the GB to start.
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Post by: fakedSkill on Thu, 16 April 2020, 13:47:34
Like this?
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:O wow
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Post by: cosmo10292 on Thu, 16 April 2020, 15:20:59
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed  :D

BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!

Like this?
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WOW that looks incredible
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Post by: 10peaches on Thu, 16 April 2020, 22:48:59
I want to see the red anno, please!


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Post by: rudy44 on Sat, 25 April 2020, 23:47:27
Any chance of an all brass/copper/bronze version?

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Post by: William_S_Jones on Sun, 26 April 2020, 00:53:57
I'd say it's more of a pink PC. Red pc is def red.

Correct, this is a cotton candy pink that may or may not be available in the GB  :cool:
I love this cotton candy pink PC case, been trying to avoid you be taking my money once this GB starts


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: Lovepig78 on Sun, 26 April 2020, 03:42:40
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: TonyPia on Sun, 26 April 2020, 09:30:23
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good

Wish it was
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: kobami on Sun, 26 April 2020, 09:42:14
can't wait to get on the GB!!!
just take my money!!!!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Sun, 26 April 2020, 10:23:26
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good

Wish it was

Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sun, 26 April 2020, 11:02:19
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good

Wish it was

Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price  :p
Including me, make that THREE.....


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: TonyPia on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:01:25
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good

Wish it was

Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price  :p

kidney?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:06:50
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good

Wish it was

Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price  :p

kidney?

Oh.... that's a rather wholesome favor. I was definitely thinking along those lines too.  :-X
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: TonyPia on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:29:48
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good

Wish it was

Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price  :p

kidney?

Oh.... that's a rather wholesome favor. I was definitely thinking along those lines too.  :-X

There are too many nice boards, caps and switches recently even to catch up reading for.
Either Cajal or Adelie will be my very last board in a few years otherwise my wife will sell my organs if I don't.
I just hope the GB starts soon and I can get one, then all my agony will fly away because I'll shut down all keeb related accounts.
Good luck with you too.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Sun, 26 April 2020, 15:47:27
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good

Wish it was

Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price  :p

kidney?

Oh.... that's a rather wholesome favor. I was definitely thinking along those lines too.  :-X

There are too many nice boards, caps and switches recently even to catch up reading for.
Either Cajal or Adelie will be my very last board in a few years otherwise my wife will sell my organs if I don't.
I just hope the GB starts soon and I can get one, then all my agony will fly away because I'll shut down all keeb related accounts.
Good luck with you too.  ;)

Jajajajaja I wish you the best in escaping this hobby, I am pretty new to it still so I might stay for a while longer  :thumb:

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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed  :D

BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!

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Also are there any videos of the prototype? Or anything along those lines?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Sun, 26 April 2020, 15:51:16


Also are there any videos of the prototype? Or anything along those lines?

None yet, but will keep posting hype pics on insta (@walletburnerkb) and r/mk so keep your peepers peeled :) Once I sort out some daughterboard stuff I'll try to remember to take a good video with the lights on.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Sun, 26 April 2020, 16:23:11


Also are there any videos of the prototype? Or anything along those lines?

None yet, but will keep posting hype pics on insta (@walletburnerkb) and r/mk so keep your peepers peeled :) Once I sort out some daughterboard stuff I'll try to remember to take a good video with the lights on.

Living up to your name I see, on a burning my wallet spree  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: omegarex555 on Mon, 27 April 2020, 01:42:24
Holycow my wallet will really burn this year.... and it's on fire already
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 29 April 2020, 22:12:49
Some more pictures of the prototypes

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Title: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Wed, 29 April 2020, 22:13:27
Some more pictures of the prototypes
>.>

You know how hard Iím battling the urge to buy this?


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: asciisii on Wed, 29 April 2020, 22:15:09
Some more pictures of the prototypes

Oh my these are nice.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 29 April 2020, 22:30:24
I also have samples of the e-white and Blue Steel on the way from the factory. I'm waiting on a batch of more daughterboards, but they'll get here soon and then I should be able to take some more pics with the underglow on.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: kobami on Wed, 29 April 2020, 23:41:44
Waiting to pay for it... made me

can't do anything other than thinking about this keyboard lol...
GB announce anytime soon?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: KeLorean on Fri, 01 May 2020, 06:20:48
omg! this is adorable! great design! great layout! great...well everything!


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Title: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: William_S_Jones on Fri, 01 May 2020, 15:17:43
Beautiful; what does the bottom of the polyurethane case look like. Thanks to this, I've decided not to join Candybar rd 2 (afterall, I have a rd1) for this!


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: KetchyKech on Fri, 01 May 2020, 15:40:13
anxiously waiting for the groupbuy :)

hopefully all colors teased will be offered!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: William_S_Jones on Fri, 01 May 2020, 16:00:28
anxiously waiting for the groupbuy :)

hopefully all colors teased will be offered!  :thumb:

What color are you interested in? It's down to three colors for me, cool ranch, red, or the acrylic pink. The more I thank it's prob cool ranch or acrylic pink.


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: KetchyKech on Fri, 01 May 2020, 16:08:23
anxiously waiting for the groupbuy :)

hopefully all colors teased will be offered!  :thumb:

What color are you interested in? It's down to three colors for me, cool ranch, red, or the acrylic pink. The more I thank it's prob cool ranch or acrylic pink.


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its gotta be that dusty blue or aqua color! very interesting  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Renders Up!
Post by: William_S_Jones on Fri, 01 May 2020, 16:22:45
[mention]KetchyKech [/mention]
I understand, I'm soooo looking forward to this GB!


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Proto Pics!!
Post by: walletburner on Mon, 04 May 2020, 19:47:20
With a GB date announcement on the near horizon (hypehypehype), I have to say that based on the IC results, the aluminum colors will likely be Bushido Red, Space Grey, Blue Steel, and E-White. Cool Ranch had the frostiest response in terms of numbers, so it won't be available on this round. As for polycarbonate; the polycarbonate and aluminum prototypes both feel fantastic and either could be safely made. Initially I was worried about polycarbonate cracking under the strain, but testing has revealed this isn't an issue. A polycarbonate version is still contingent on a final (post-covid19 starting) quote from the factory prior to GB launch, and I am awaiting those numbers now. If both can be offered at a reasonable price, I will offer a PC version alongside the aluminum case version, with Clear or Cotton Candy Pink PC available. I'll let everyone know soon :) Thanks for your overwhelming support on this project; the positive response has been staggering.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Proto Pics!!
Post by: thecyangiant on Mon, 04 May 2020, 22:07:36
Too bad about the cool ranch, that was definitely my first choice. Happy to have the option for any of the others when the gb starts though.

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Proto Pics!!
Post by: walletburner on Mon, 04 May 2020, 22:10:18
Too bad about the cool ranch, that was definitely my first choice. Happy to have the option for any of the others when the gb starts though.

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sorry to hear that but satisfying to know that the name checks out. I'll see if i can squeeze it in!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Proto Pics!!
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Mon, 04 May 2020, 22:11:08
I swear Iím trying to convince not to buy this D: but Iím failing....


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Proto Pics!!
Post by: thecyangiant on Mon, 04 May 2020, 22:18:09


Quote
sorry to hear that but satisfying to know that the name checks out. I'll see if i can squeeze it in!

Holy crap, I'd be ecstatic if it happened!

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Proto Pics!!
Post by: William_S_Jones on Mon, 04 May 2020, 22:36:13
Too bad about the cool ranch, that was definitely my first choice. Happy to have the option for any of the others when the gb starts though.

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Same here, I really wanted that cool ranch color too....


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Proto Pics!!
Post by: rudy44 on Mon, 04 May 2020, 23:22:14
It'd be fantastic if you could squeeze in a full brass version. To burn all the wallets to the ground.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Proto Pics!!
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Mon, 04 May 2020, 23:37:31
It'd be fantastic if you could squeeze in a full brass version. To burn all the wallets to the ground.
Stop it!!!! D: my wallet is scared


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Proto Pics!!
Post by: d00deitsnik on Tue, 05 May 2020, 02:17:58
Too bad about the cool ranch, that was definitely my first choice. Happy to have the option for any of the others when the gb starts though.

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sorry to hear that but satisfying to know that the name checks out. I'll see if i can squeeze it in!

Heh. Cool Ranch is my first choice as well. Or second after the cotton candy PC. But one of each would be nice too ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - Proto Pics!!
Post by: Jaltr on Tue, 05 May 2020, 06:45:56
I just want it now, walletburner! Gib pls

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Tue, 05 May 2020, 18:28:41
Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Walletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'all
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: William_S_Jones on Tue, 05 May 2020, 18:33:05
Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Waletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'all
Nice, will cool ranch pop up for


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Tue, 05 May 2020, 18:52:15
Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Waletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'all
:D


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Jaltr on Tue, 05 May 2020, 18:57:13
Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Waletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'all
Isn't it wallet? A little typo haha;) V hyped for this <3

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Tue, 05 May 2020, 19:01:36
Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Waletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'all
Isn't it wallet? A little typo haha;) V hyped for this <3

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+1 times ive owned myself online
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Jaltr on Tue, 05 May 2020, 19:04:54
Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Waletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'all
Isn't it wallet? A little typo haha;) V hyped for this <3

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+1 times ive owned myself online
Np dude! Thank you for pushing it back to June! I really appreciate that:)

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: TonyPia on Tue, 05 May 2020, 19:22:39
Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Jaltr on Tue, 05 May 2020, 19:24:08
Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?
200 fcfs

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: TonyPia on Tue, 05 May 2020, 20:02:20
Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?
200 fcfs

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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Jaltr on Tue, 05 May 2020, 20:03:43
Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?
200 fcfs

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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
Too much traffic I'm guessing, not much we can do about it.

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: TonyPia on Tue, 05 May 2020, 20:18:25
Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?
200 fcfs

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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
Too much traffic I'm guessing, not much we can do about it.

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Too much traffic as of now? For what? Any sales going on the site?
Guess the server is hosted somewhere far with minimum performance.
Hope most GBers get the same level of performance.
Otherwise, it's not fair for the folks who doesn't have full speed connectivity.
I believe walletburner initially talked about raffle.
What brought the change?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Jaltr on Tue, 05 May 2020, 20:21:10
Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?
200 fcfs

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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
Too much traffic I'm guessing, not much we can do about it.

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Too much traffic as of now? For what? Any sales going on the site?
Guess the server is hosted somewhere far with minimum performance.
Hope most GBers get the same level of performance.
Otherwise, it's not fair for the folks who doesn't have full speed connectivity.
I believe walletburner initially talked about raffle.
What brought the change?
I guess people are bookmarking the site and such. The page wasn't slow for me, at least when I went in it; and trust me, I have real slow internet. I don't think having slower internet speeds makes it "unfair".

Idk about the raffle, so you'll have to ask wb about that.

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Tue, 05 May 2020, 21:03:39
it's fcfs. i'll work on the site hosting. thanks for the feedback.

edit: i also can't find anywhere i said it would be raffle.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: TonyPia on Tue, 05 May 2020, 21:13:09
Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?
200 fcfs

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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
Too much traffic I'm guessing, not much we can do about it.

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Too much traffic as of now? For what? Any sales going on the site?
Guess the server is hosted somewhere far with minimum performance.
Hope most GBers get the same level of performance.
Otherwise, it's not fair for the folks who doesn't have full speed connectivity.
I believe walletburner initially talked about raffle.
What brought the change?
I guess people are bookmarking the site and such. The page wasn't slow for me, at least when I went in it; and trust me, I have real slow internet. I don't think having slower internet speeds makes it "unfair".

Idk about the raffle, so you'll have to ask wb about that.

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Geographic location and the performance of the hosting server contribute toward the speed too.
If the server cannot handle the people hitting the landing page for bookmark, it will definitely impact more remote GBers during the rush hour.
Also when the number is limited, people in different time zone will have less chance to get in from various reasons.
It's not to complain to you buddy and thanks for the information.
I just hope Cajal is not that much popular to think about the situation or the missing last letters bother me until the end of the GB  ;D
Good luck all.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Jaltr on Tue, 05 May 2020, 21:26:48
Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?
200 fcfs

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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
Too much traffic I'm guessing, not much we can do about it.

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Too much traffic as of now? For what? Any sales going on the site?
Guess the server is hosted somewhere far with minimum performance.
Hope most GBers get the same level of performance.
Otherwise, it's not fair for the folks who doesn't have full speed connectivity.
I believe walletburner initially talked about raffle.
What brought the change?
I guess people are bookmarking the site and such. The page wasn't slow for me, at least when I went in it; and trust me, I have real slow internet. I don't think having slower internet speeds makes it "unfair".

Idk about the raffle, so you'll have to ask wb about that.

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Geographic location and the performance of the hosting server contribute toward the speed too.
If the server cannot handle the people hitting the landing page for bookmark, it will definitely impact more remote GBers during the rush hour.
Also when the number is limited, people in different time zone will have less chance to get in from various reasons.
It's not to complain to you buddy and thanks for the information.
I just hope Cajal is not that much popular to think about the situation or the missing last letters bother me until the end of the GB  ;D
Good luck all.
I live in South America and it was fine, but expecting a lot more traffic when GB date.
Just don't sleep in and I think you'll be fine:)

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: fliz on Tue, 05 May 2020, 21:32:21
Is there an explanation for how a 45% keyboard works? Like, a link to how to type numbers?. Maybe I'm just retarded
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Tue, 05 May 2020, 21:43:24
Is there an explanation for how a 45% keyboard works? Like, a link to how to type numbers?. Maybe I'm just retarded

the core idea is that using layers triggered by modifiers and fn keys, you can minimize the number of keys down to bare essentials and minimize how far your hands need to move to type what you need. an 8 is as easy to type on my preferred layout on 40%s as a capital K. it's a different way of typing that minimizes that "hunt-and-peck" moment when you have to be think "ah ****, is ^ on the 4 or the 6" by allowing you to construct a set of layers where you know exactly where it is without looking down. it isn't for everyone, but it's just a bit further down the road than the compromises people make when they move from like a TKL to a 60% keyboard. i write code and daily driver the keyboards that i create, and now all of my keyboards are 50% layouts or smaller. like everything in this community, it's down to preference :)
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: TonyPia on Tue, 05 May 2020, 21:57:22
Is there an explanation for how a 45% keyboard works? Like, a link to how to type numbers?. Maybe I'm just retarded

the core idea is that using layers triggered by modifiers and fn keys, you can minimize the number of keys down to bare essentials and minimize how far your hands need to move to type what you need. an 8 is as easy to type on my preferred layout on 40%s as a capital K. it's a different way of typing that minimizes that "hunt-and-peck" moment when you have to be think "ah ****, is ^ on the 4 or the 6" by allowing you to construct a set of layers where you know exactly where it is without looking down. it isn't for everyone, but it's just a bit further down the road than the compromises people make when they move from like a TKL to a 60% keyboard. i write code and daily driver the keyboards that i create, and now all of my keyboards are 50% layouts or smaller. like everything in this community, it's down to preference :)

Where do YOU assign the last missing letters like ] or ' ?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Tue, 05 May 2020, 22:29:38
Is there an explanation for how a 45% keyboard works? Like, a link to how to type numbers?. Maybe I'm just retarded

the core idea is that using layers triggered by modifiers and fn keys, you can minimize the number of keys down to bare essentials and minimize how far your hands need to move to type what you need. an 8 is as easy to type on my preferred layout on 40%s as a capital K. it's a different way of typing that minimizes that "hunt-and-peck" moment when you have to be think "ah ****, is ^ on the 4 or the 6" by allowing you to construct a set of layers where you know exactly where it is without looking down. it isn't for everyone, but it's just a bit further down the road than the compromises people make when they move from like a TKL to a 60% keyboard. i write code and daily driver the keyboards that i create, and now all of my keyboards are 50% layouts or smaller. like everything in this community, it's down to preference :)

Where do YOU assign the last missing letters like ] or ' ?
my bottom row is punctuation on the second layer of most of my layouts, and left spacebar is always my Fn key. that way with left space and maaybe shift I can do everything I need to. I hover around 90-100WPM without difficulty. What are your layouts like?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: TonyPia on Tue, 05 May 2020, 23:52:14
Is there an explanation for how a 45% keyboard works? Like, a link to how to type numbers?. Maybe I'm just retarded

the core idea is that using layers triggered by modifiers and fn keys, you can minimize the number of keys down to bare essentials and minimize how far your hands need to move to type what you need. an 8 is as easy to type on my preferred layout on 40%s as a capital K. it's a different way of typing that minimizes that "hunt-and-peck" moment when you have to be think "ah ****, is ^ on the 4 or the 6" by allowing you to construct a set of layers where you know exactly where it is without looking down. it isn't for everyone, but it's just a bit further down the road than the compromises people make when they move from like a TKL to a 60% keyboard. i write code and daily driver the keyboards that i create, and now all of my keyboards are 50% layouts or smaller. like everything in this community, it's down to preference :)

Where do YOU assign the last missing letters like ] or ' ?
my bottom row is punctuation on the second layer of most of my layouts, and left spacebar is always my Fn key. that way with left space and maaybe shift I can do everything I need to. I hover around 90-100WPM without difficulty. What are your layouts like?

First time sub-HHKB so having hard time imagining the best make-sense-for-myself layout while I use the missing letters quite frequently.
For me, downsizing is more to remove infrequently used keys instead of better reachability.
Maybe 'fn+right side mod = missing letter' is what I should go with.
If I didn't lose those ones, I was thinking having the left space as backspace and control keys as second layer for fn and num keys, which makes perfect sense for me.
That's why I asked you if you can add those at the very beginning of this IC.
Still Cajal is too attractive so I'm also thinking, if I don't get accustomed to this layout, let's just hang it on the wall  :thumb:
Are you working hard on your next 50+% board?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 06 May 2020, 00:26:57
having hard time imagining the best make-sense-for-myself layout
For me, downsizing is more to remove infrequently used keys instead of better reachability.

Are you working hard on your next 50+% board?

my just right and your just right might not be the same; you'll learn the most about what makes sense for you by doing. i definitely recommend getting a cheap 3d printed or sandwich case 40s in a layout you like and trying it out. you'll figure out what you like and don't about some of the more exotic layouts much faster and cheaper in the long run, and who doesn't need more boards?

next project to be determined. i will be focusing on the task at hand until after the GB closes.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: psxndc on Wed, 06 May 2020, 00:39:06
First time sub-HHKB so having hard time imagining the best make-sense-for-myself layout while I use the missing letters quite frequently.
For me, downsizing is more to remove infrequently used keys instead of better reachability.
Maybe 'fn+right side mod = missing letter' is what I should go with.
If I didn't lose those ones, I was thinking having the left space as backspace and control keys as second layer for fn and num keys, which makes perfect sense for me.

Fwiw, I still tweak my layout almost daily and I've been working on it for about a year.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: alphabirth on Wed, 06 May 2020, 06:07:20
I've got a Gherkin that I use on occasion, and I have a layout that is totally usable for me (for writing code).  It's just a bit too cramped to make it my daily driver, as I've had to make some compromises that reduce effectiveness, like introducing tap-dance functionality, which slows you down if you're not careful enough.  I don't have anything in between that and 60% at the moment, but I'm thinking that the ortho layout here will feel absolutely luxurious by comparison.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 06 May 2020, 14:50:23
based on feedback, we identified and fixed a redirect hell on the walletburner.co homepage; everything should be smooth and optimized for the sale now.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: TonyPia on Wed, 06 May 2020, 15:04:53
based on feedback, we identified and fixed a redirect hell on the walletburner.co homepage; everything should be smooth and optimized for the sale now.

Way better. Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: KetchyKech on Sat, 09 May 2020, 11:38:53
just to be clear- i can't get a solderable non-ortho pcb, only option is staggered hotswap ?  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Sat, 09 May 2020, 11:51:39
just to be clear- i can't get a solderable non-ortho pcb, only option is staggered hotswap ?  :thumb:
Choice of solder required ortho PCB or hotswap staggered PCB.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: thecyangiant on Mon, 11 May 2020, 18:07:47
What is the hotswap solution on the staggered PCB?

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Mon, 11 May 2020, 18:21:59
What is the hotswap solution on the staggered PCB?

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Kailh Hotswap sockets; the standard as far as I know
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: thecyangiant on Mon, 11 May 2020, 18:35:08
What is the hotswap solution on the staggered PCB?

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Kailh Hotswap sockets; the standard as far as I know
Thanks! That's what I had assumed, just wanted to verify.

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: kobami on Tue, 12 May 2020, 23:33:03
Could you please tell me which timezone?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 13 May 2020, 13:06:09
The GB will go live at 5:00PM CDT on June 1st @ Walletburner.co
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: DNWMN on Wed, 13 May 2020, 16:54:17
damn thats one big a$$ nob.. and i love it
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Piwi on Wed, 13 May 2020, 17:19:34
Wow, that is very pretty. Good job on this and hope the sale goes well!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:01:57
quick RGB pic  ;D
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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: thecyangiant on Thu, 14 May 2020, 16:39:13
quick RGB pic  ;D
(Attachment Link)
Oh.  Oh my.

Is it June yet?

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Thu, 14 May 2020, 17:40:32
here are the color swatches from the factory for Blue Steel and E-White. Pretty good! Going to green light these :) See y'all on June 1st!

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: DonaldPShimoda on Thu, 14 May 2020, 18:12:40
The website doesn't make any mention of ortholinear support, nor does an ortho mapping appear in the KLE layout Imgur page. Maybe I missed an earlier announcement, but was ortho support dropped?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Thu, 14 May 2020, 18:18:12
The website doesn't make any mention of ortholinear support, nor does an ortho mapping appear in the KLE layout Imgur page. Maybe I missed an earlier announcement, but was ortho support dropped?

ortho is very much still supported, and has a separate solderable PCB, brass or POM plates available, and the KLE of available layouts can be found in the first post of this IC, which has been kept updated. site is currently being renovated, and its text hasn't been updated in a while. information here is accurate, and you can even find some pictures of the ortholinear prototype earlier in this thread and on my instagram (walletburnerkb). i'll update the website today! thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: DonaldPShimoda on Thu, 14 May 2020, 18:49:35
ortho is very much still supported, and has a separate solderable PCB, brass or POM plates available, and the KLE of available layouts can be found in the first post of this IC, which has been kept updated. site is currently being renovated, and its text hasn't been updated in a while. information here is accurate, and you can even find some pictures of the ortholinear prototype earlier in this thread and on my instagram (walletburnerkb). i'll update the website today! thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Ah, excellent! I was just worried I had missed something. I'm glad to hear that ortho will still be supported because I absolutely love how it looks on this board. Hopefully I can snag one! Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Wamuu on Thu, 14 May 2020, 19:12:29
Could you post a picture showing the size difference between this and a regular 40% board or a minivan in particular? I'm looking for some higher end 40's to replace my minvan for travel because I'm disappointed with the quality. Btw what will be the final weight of the board?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Thu, 14 May 2020, 19:47:20
Could you post a picture showing the size difference between this and a regular 40% board or a minivan in particular? I'm looking for some higher end 40's to replace my minvan for travel because I'm disappointed with the quality. Btw what will be the final weight of the board?

oh this is not a travel board haha the aluminum is about 5lbs with the brass knob and the polycarbonate is about 3.9lbs. i'll try to take a good pic tomorrow of it next to my collection, since the sun is going down, and with it, the good lighting in my apartment. i've never found the "40%s are for travel" designation particularly convincing, and perhaps that is one reason why i make my boards so heavy they feel like they're about to collapse in and form a small star. pics tomorrow :-)
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: chowder266 on Thu, 14 May 2020, 20:32:13
do you think the bushido red would match gmk bushido?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: psxndc on Thu, 14 May 2020, 22:44:57
Could you post a picture showing the size difference between this and a regular 40% board or a minivan in particular? I'm looking for some higher end 40's to replace my minvan for travel because I'm disappointed with the quality. Btw what will be the final weight of the board?

oh this is not a travel board haha the aluminum is about 5lbs with the brass knob and the polycarbonate is about 3.9lbs. i'll try to take a good pic tomorrow of it next to my collection, since the sun is going down, and with it, the good lighting in my apartment. i've never found the "40%s are for travel" designation particularly convincing, and perhaps that is one reason why i make my boards so heavy they feel like they're about to collapse in and form a small star. pics tomorrow :-)
Srsly. Cajal doesn't go in your bag, it goes in a museum.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: rondg on Thu, 14 May 2020, 22:52:29
What is the diameter of the knob?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Wamuu on Fri, 15 May 2020, 02:03:36
Could you post a picture showing the size difference between this and a regular 40% board or a minivan in particular? I'm looking for some higher end 40's to replace my minvan for travel because I'm disappointed with the quality. Btw what will be the final weight of the board?

oh this is not a travel board haha the aluminum is about 5lbs with the brass knob and the polycarbonate is about 3.9lbs. i'll try to take a good pic tomorrow of it next to my collection, since the sun is going down, and with it, the good lighting in my apartment. i've never found the "40%s are for travel" designation particularly convincing, and perhaps that is one reason why i make my boards so heavy they feel like they're about to collapse in and form a small star. pics tomorrow :-)
Oh I donít think 40% is just for travel, thatís just how I chose to use mine. Yours is so damn badass though I canít help but want it anyway haha. Thanks for the info!


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Fri, 15 May 2020, 10:17:38
What is the diameter of the knob?

25mm
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Jsdfbn on Mon, 18 May 2020, 18:25:20
Does the polycarb version also come with the diffuser layer?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Mon, 18 May 2020, 18:27:09
Does the polycarb version also come with the diffuser layer?
Yes it does, and we are planning for 2mm frosted acrylic or polycarbonate, depending on which of the two materials has better diffusion. Still testing materials, but getting good results.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Jsdfbn on Mon, 18 May 2020, 19:43:48
Does the polycarb version also come with the diffuser layer?
Yes it does, and we are planning for 2mm frosted acrylic or polycarbonate, depending on which of the two materials has better diffusion. Still testing materials, but getting good results.

Ah good to hear you're testing polycarb as well. The diffuser layer seem'd a little moot with the polycarb version of the board, but if you're doing a polycarb layer as well it works out. Thanks for the quick reply :)
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: GKboki on Wed, 20 May 2020, 19:34:17
Any renders for e-white?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: abellp327 on Fri, 22 May 2020, 13:20:47
If you don't mind me asking, what time exactly does the sale go live? to be more exact, the time zone?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: rooski15 on Fri, 22 May 2020, 14:13:38
If you don't mind me asking, what time exactly does the sale go live? to be more exact, the time zone?

The GB will go live at 5:00PM CDT on June 1st @ Walletburner.co

5 pm CDT (central daylight time).
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: ZavaZ86 on Sun, 24 May 2020, 15:00:50
Is there any info on the kb height?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Sun, 24 May 2020, 15:32:48
Is there any info on the kb height?

no one has asked yet! yeah so the front edge is about 19.5mm but that could be misleading due to the top chamfer depth and how sunken the keys are relative to the case height. the front edge of the switchplate on the bottom row is about 15.5mm, and the highest point on the case above the top row is about 31.5mm. it's a chonky boi but because the keys are so sunken in, it still maintains a comfortable typing height.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Sun, 24 May 2020, 15:37:08
Any renders for e-white?

unfortunately not, but an aluminum e-white sample picture from the factory has been added to the main post!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: olsen34 on Sun, 24 May 2020, 23:03:51
The cotton candy pink polycarbonate looks like a tupperware.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: parityb1t on Mon, 25 May 2020, 17:05:52
How likely y'all think there'll be an R2 with more colour choices lol :p, just can't seem to match the colour choices in this buy with the caps I've got/plan to get. wished my suggestion for jet black made it, would have looked amazing with KAT Cyberspace coming in August.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: reaLFX on Mon, 25 May 2020, 20:43:35
Nice looking keyboard! only if I was into that size!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: jbrandona119 on Mon, 25 May 2020, 21:02:38
Looks like I've set my mind on the Cajal! Gonna go for the Red w/ the big ol' gold knob.

Btw I saw that reddit post had over 10,000 upvotes.

Plz shopify, keep the site alive long enough for me to check out.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: bakuretsu on Tue, 26 May 2020, 03:15:07
With 10k+ upvotes on that last reddit post, there's probably no chance I'm going to be able to get one of these from FCFS. Please make this a raffle, and let us know soon after the sale ends if you think a round 2 will happen.
Title: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Wamuu on Tue, 26 May 2020, 03:16:43
How likely y'all think there'll be an R2 with more colour choices lol :p, just can't seem to match the colour choices in this buy with the caps I've got/plan to get. wished my suggestion for jet black made it, would have looked amazing with KAT Cyberspace coming in August.
This. I spray have a red board and the other colors just arenít fitting with I got caps. Black with cyber space would have made this a no brainer for me. I hope do a R2 with black or something.

Also, are there any aspect of the boards design itself that relate to Santiago Cajal or some aspect of his life? Or is it just in name alone?


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Tue, 26 May 2020, 10:03:08
while 10k upvotes on a picture is nice, it doesn't mean that many people are interested in a $395 45% keyboard, though the envy is vindicating. the sale is still FCFS, tho to make checkout easier I will add all extra items (extra pcbs, extra plates, extra knobs, etc) onto walletburner.co Sunday night so people can add everything besides the board they want to their cart and check out when the sale goes live. be ready this coming Monday at 5pm CDT and hold onto your butts!
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: jbrandona119 on Tue, 26 May 2020, 17:15:12
while 10k upvotes on a picture is nice, it doesn't mean that many people are interested in a $395 45% keyboard, though the envy is vindicating. the sale is still FCFS, tho to make checkout easier I will add all extra items (extra pcbs, extra plates, extra knobs, etc) onto walletburner.co Sunday night so people can add everything besides the board they want to their cart and check out when the sale goes live. be ready this coming Monday at 5pm CDT and hold onto your butts!

Idk man you might've started a 45% revolution with all that hype  :p

I do appreciate the extras being available early though. That's always the biggest slowdown for me.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: theside123 on Wed, 27 May 2020, 19:08:03

Is the price of polycarbonate housing the same? Where is the purchase page?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Wed, 27 May 2020, 19:10:14

Is the price of polycarbonate housing the same? Where is the purchase page?

It is the same, and the store section of Walletburner.co is where it will be when it goes live.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: theside123 on Wed, 27 May 2020, 21:32:19

Is the price of polycarbonate housing the same? Where is the purchase page?

It is the same, and the store section of Walletburner.co is where it will be when it goes live.


Does e-white color have the same price?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: fakedSkill on Wed, 27 May 2020, 21:38:23
They all cost the same, only difference is the brass knob (+$40) Check https://www.walletburner.co/products/cajal (https://www.walletburner.co/products/cajal)
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Wamuu on Thu, 28 May 2020, 01:25:44
Is there any aspect of the boards design itself that relate to Santiago Cajal or some aspect of his life? Or is it just in name alone?
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: rooski15 on Thu, 28 May 2020, 01:32:19
Is there any aspect of the boards design itself that relate to Santiago Cajal or some aspect of his life? Or is it just in name alone?
Afaik, it's the name and the microscope in the weight.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: Wamuu on Thu, 28 May 2020, 23:29:22
Is there any aspect of the boards design itself that relate to Santiago Cajal or some aspect of his life? Or is it just in name alone?
Afaik, it's the name and the microscope in the weight.
Oh yeah duh . Well I donít think Iíll be joining in on this group buy since they donít have a black one which is the color Iíd actually want for this board. Or maybe green... but yeah, if thereís a round 2 with different colors in the future Iím all in.


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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB opens on June 1st!
Post by: walletburner on Fri, 29 May 2020, 18:45:36
After a lot of thought and evaluating alternatives, the Cajal Group-Buy will be delayed until June 15th at 5pm CDT on Walletburner.co.

Key in this decision was the discovery that one member of my team who has gone incommunicado for weeks was recently diagnosed as Covid-19 positive, and is currently in intensive care. We hope they make a speedy recovery, as this was quite a shock. This turns of events unfortunately places a decent portion of the business side of the Cajal group-buy in peril/limbo as we scramble to discover what has and hasn't been properly filed and what needs to be redone. Two weeks will allow all this to be sorted in time. Downstream of this central issue, there are also several deadlines and stress points from my day job and personal life that will subside if we delay by 2 weeks. Taken together, the decision to delay is clear.

I also want to give an earnest Thank You to everyone who has been passionately following this project for months, watching and contributing to it taking shape, and diligently saving up to make the buy on Monday. I never thought this project would get such an overwhelmingly positive reception, and I think the quality in this keyboard is worth the wait. Sorry for the confusion and frustration this may cause! Trust me, I wouldn't be doing this unless it was absolutely necessary. See you in 16 days, 22 hours and 15 mins (approx.)!   :D
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB DELAYED TO JUNE 15 @ 5PM CDT!
Post by: alphabirth on Fri, 29 May 2020, 18:59:24
Aw man! The health of you and your crew is definitely top priority, and I hope for a speedy recovery too. Two week delay? That's nothing when it comes to keyboards!

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Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB DELAYED TO JUNE 15 @ 5PM CDT!
Post by: rooski15 on Fri, 29 May 2020, 19:25:34


Two week delay? That's nothing when it comes to keyboards!

Better yet, that's another pay period.

Get well soon, team.
Title: Re: [IC] Cajal: A 45% Keyboard - GB DELAYED TO JUNE 15 @ 5PM CDT!
Post by: parityb1t on Sat, 30 May 2020, 11:18:43
good on you! the health of others is much more important :thumb:

Hope they get well soon.