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Title: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:06:00
VE.A Specification
revision : 2016-05-31


Video Review
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[2016-02-06] Price and Taxes
Former mentioned price range (which is 400~450) was not includes tax.
When I ran GB in Korea, it was considered as personal hobby thing.
And domestic wire-transfer doesn't bring any attraction of Taxation bureau.
But when I'm doing this with you -overseas- guys, that will ring the alarm.
I confirmed this from friends who is in overseas trading business.
So, I'm crunching numbers with my partner. (Man I didn't realize it's that complicated.)
Korean tax starts from 10% of VAT and there's additional income tax. plus PP fee.
When I calculated, that makes the price starts from 456USD minimum, God(Tax-an God) only knows how much higher it could be. the income tax can be up to 38%!!! I had no idea about it.
I'll try to keep it as low as I can. but here's where I'm standing now.

VE.A is made of 8 parts for housing.
4 CNC Aluminium, anodized armor parts.
2 CNC Poly-Carbonate parts.
2 Laser cut STS switch mounting plate.
(And since there's so may question about pre-soldering option, I'm searching for the way to go SMT.)
I believe you already familiar with the price of CNC (MCT).
VE.A has double parts comparing traditional boards since it's split. That's why I cannot make the price any lower.
My anodizing factory offered me 0.5USD cut-off for MoQ 300. Man... it's not realistic number I'll say.
CNC? no chance, my CNC factory usually produces cell-phone housing which is massive massive massive product.

I'm announcing this that I want you to know how hard I'm working on to make this GB happen in realistic way (price-wise).
Hope you can understand me.
And don't worry about me, I'm a little stressed but happy stressed. I am actually enjoying this.

Thanks for your interest on my works.



[2016-04-05] Official Website
We launched official website for VE.A.
It's pretty much under development but you can get informations for VE.A.
It's almost done, guys.
http://oddforge.com/

Thanks for long waiting.



[2016-04-21]
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.




[2016-04-22]
Additional Announcement.

I have to say really sorry for Alps fans since Alps switch mounting plate will not be provided in Massdrop.
I believe all Alps fans can understand why I removed this option.
But I'll explain anyway.
Alps mounting system is very strict about layout.
It has no sustain pins like Cherry MX, and stabilizers is mounted on mounting plate so "Universal Alps plate" cannot be made.
Plus, there's no "Standard" keycap sets for alps (except Matias, but I don't want to limit selection of keycaps.).
So, We will share alps plate drawing on public.
And for who have no access to metalworks shop, we will accept order of Alps plate in our website.
This can make you spend another shipping money. but at this time, I have no better way.
Sorry again and thank you for your understanding in advance :)




[2016-05-17]
Announcement from oddforge

We tried to make all of you happy.
But time is short.
I got sample PCB of swappable spacebar version yesterday.
If I didn't make mistake. This PCB will included in THIS GB.
And this PCB also support ISO layout.
Wish me luck guys.

The sample on Massdrop is "BLACK"




[2016-05-24]
Announcement from Oddforge

Hi guys, I got a news for GB.
As you know, I was trying to upgrade PCB for ISO layouts and Swappable space/fn options.
Test fails. There's another 200 bucks I'll never see again.
Now, time is absolute not enough to make it in this GB.

This might looks like a kind of lame execuse but, I'm gonna spit it out.
Me and my partner has all exhausted out.
Somebody might think this is not that kind of hard work but...
We(oddforge members) both have a regular day job, and in Korea, we work very hard (I mean... looooooooooong, like 12 hours a day)
We have to work at midnight and "precious weekend" for this GB.
We did, we did tried over three months by now.
Clock is ticking (man it's faster than we thought, really), we all are stressed out.
BAM!, hospital, both of us.

So, here's the deal about it.
For now, there's no way I can make it before Massdrop application period ends. (in a week from now)
We will keep trying anyway. but "NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS(UPGRADED PCB) WILL BE INCLUDED IN MASSDROP GB"
I got three weeks to solve and test. If I got managed to solve things, it will be included. but chance is very slim as you see.
Sorry guys, I didn't make it in time.

If(---IF---) PCB is done after time limit. We will offer you a deal for it.
(NO PRICE EST, NOR SCHEDULE EST, NOR GUARANTEE)
Please, do not think this as a money making tactics.

Thanks for your interest and considerate understanding in advance.




[2016-05-27]
Announcement from oddforge

Improved PCB debugging was successful.
I produced another sample PCB (with express service... which is waaaaaaaaaay pricey... 150USD for 3 PCBs hahaha...)
Here's today's status.
Me and my partner has assembled two Kits
ANSI layout with default VE.A layout, and ISO layout with swapped left Space/FN.
Which means, Vergo type.T-II PCB (VE.A's PCB) now supports
- ISO(short left shift, vertical enter) layout.
- swappable left space/fn layout.

Everything is in function for now.
We have to do long stability test. (It's day one)
As mentioned, time is very short for enough test before GB ends.
So, here's deal.
We will do heavy stability test as possible as we can.
And we will announce once more in two days.



[2016-05-29]
Announcement from oddforge

Stability test was successful for two days.
(I'm writing this with ISO + Space/FN Swapped version of VE.A)
Still there is some chance for failure cause short test period.

And you probably knows already.
If you use VE.A with full LED on, plugged non-powered USB hub can cause malfunction.
LED's Power consumption is very high.

OK, I think this is the time for your final decision.
I'm 99% sure this PCB is stable. Even if this fails, I think I can fix it.
So, improved PCB will be included in Massdrop GB (99% sure)

(http://i.imgur.com/4LWWgUF.jpg)



[2016-05-31]
I am closing IC thread since application of Massdrop is over.
Oddforge will continue discuss and support for VE.A in other thread.
Thank you for your supports everyone.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82509.0#new (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82509.0#new)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:08:28
First :D :D
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vittra on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:09:59
In, but you know that. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:10:05
I will gladly take one of these!
Even at the upper price range I will do anything to get in on this!

I love this keyboard and have been wanting one since I saw the first revision.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Bromono on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:11:16
Yes. I will sell what ever I need to sell.

Yes
Yes

Yes
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: nmur on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:14:27
the wallet says no

but the heart says yes
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:17:13
Yes
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zapheo on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:19:56
I can't wait for mine! Vermillion you are doing an awesome job! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: toidbb on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:22:15
I will buy!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:30:13
Yes. I will sell what ever I need to sell.

Yes
Yes

Yes

Classified thread and eBay are getting so much new love when I get home.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: CornCha0s on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:31:00
I will buy one. Will probably have to sell some stuff though...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:35:40
Oh hell yes!  I love you!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Permeability on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:37:26
Put me on the list!   :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zapheo on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:42:35
Yes. I will sell what ever I need to sell.

Yes
Yes

Yes

Classified thread and eBay are getting so much new love when I get home.

I'll be putting up some keysets and artisans as well. Need more money ASAP.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: fliptrik on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:48:09
Oh I would be so in on this.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: kiwi99 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:50:32
Its a Sata cable connecting the two half's right ?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:52:18
This is one the most beautiful "ergo" boards I've seen. Sadly, I don't think I can join.
Still don't regret commenting here so that I'll get updates.  :blank:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:54:25
Yep, sir! count me in 1 million times over!!  :))

Gold color option + stand option =  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: tuantruong on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:56:53
Count me in for one please. I need another unicorn in my life.  :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:57:35
Oh, my gosh. I just noticed "6" is on the left side. That makes me really, really want to buy this board. Most of the charts I've seen suggest pressing "6" with your right hand, yet I find it far more comfortable to use my left.

Also, Wkl.kr?  ;D His firmware is one of the most versatile I've used; very happy for that.
Who makes this board?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: lashiel on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:58:34
Yeah, I basically have to try and get in on this.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zapheo on Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:59:26
Oh, my gosh. I just noticed "6" is on the left side. That makes me really, really want to buy this board. Most of the charts I've seen suggest pressing "6" with your right hand, yet I find it far more comfortable to use my left.

Also, Wkl.kr?  ;D His firmware is one of the most versatile I've used; very happy for that.
Who makes this board?

Just do it! Don't let your dreams be dreams.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:01:02
I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:01:52
Count me in for sure! Been dying to get my hands on one, glad to see it come to geekhack. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:03:00
I definitely want in on this
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:04:34
Oh, my gosh. I just noticed "6" is on the left side. That makes me really, really want to buy this board. Most of the charts I've seen suggest pressing "6" with your right hand, yet I find it far more comfortable to use my left.

Also, Wkl.kr?  ;D His firmware is one of the most versatile I've used; very happy for that.
Who makes this board?

Just do it! Don't let your dreams be dreams.

Sadly, I'm not made of money.  :-[
Will I regret it? Yes. But there always will be more boards, more keycaps, more artisans. Don't have a credit card; everything I buy I buy with cash, so I have to budget every purchase I plan.
Can't imagine how much debt I'd have if I had a credit card...!  :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Blackhawk on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:04:40
I need this
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:18:30
Already on the list, but I'm interested just to clarify.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zeroo on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:19:05
Been wanting one of these since I saw it for the first time! Afraid I don't have any funds for it right now though :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:25:58
Can't wait for this!!! ;D
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Bromono on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:26:36
Already on the list, but I'm interested just to clarify.

there is a list!?!?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:27:16
Like Xondat, I've been on the list, thanks to my interest from quite a while ago when Zefyr first shared with us on the forums! :D
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ImAWildDeer on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:29:12
So down, this looks awesome.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dgneo on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:29:33
Already on the list, but I'm interested just to clarify.

there is a list!?!?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79183.msg2037528#msg2037528
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:44:20
I posted in both threads and pm'ed ya!  :eek: hopefully, that will do it  :thumb:

Any chance you could offer an aluminum plate  :-* ?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: w00zie on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:46:08
Wow this looks incredible. Please add me to the list!!! Thanks
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:23:33
Put me on the list, does the pricing include a full aluminum kit, top and bottom?

The pricing is quite steep, so wish to understand what you are including, thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Butter on Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:27:12
Just take my ****ing money!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:33:01
Definitely want in.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: trizkut on Tue, 02 February 2016, 11:38:25
Definitely interested, especially with the stand!

You should have no problem getting 30 orders  :))
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:10:13
Already on the list, but I'm interested just to clarify.

there is a list!?!?

Thanks for starting this thread xondat.
You are already on my list.

There is so much demand so I'm not sure what will happen with the list ^-^
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:18:29
In on this for sure  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zapheo on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:34:54
Hey Vermillion is there any chance you could post the list here so we can know who has made it and who hasn't? Also, what is the production process going to look like?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:50:00
Hey Vermillion is there any chance you could post the list here so we can know who has made it and who hasn't? Also, what is the production process going to look like?

As I said that list thing was a big mistake haha.
I'll keep in my own way.
I'll cut this IC thread when I cannot handle more.
Bur it's not a guarantee that who posted here gets joined.
I really need your understand that I'm not doing this for business way.
So there is no formal or standard way.
But it should be fair and clear I wish I can do that.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:51:34
Hey Vermillion is there any chance you could post the list here so we can know who has made it and who hasn't? Also, what is the production process going to look like?

As I said that list thing was a big mistake haha.
I'll keep in my own way.
I'll cut this IC thread when I cannot handle more.
Bur it's not a guarantee that who posted here gets joined.
I really need your understand that I'm not doing this for business way.
So there is no formal or standard way.
But it should be fair and clear I wish I can do that.

That's completely understandable. It's better that you take on what you can handle rather than overloading yourself and slow down the orders for everybody. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: GooNyang on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:53:34
Ill buy one for sure! Sign me up please!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dohbot on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:58:50
DEFINITELY HOW PLS!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hoggy on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:03:13
Yes, please!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zennasyndroxx on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:04:13
Good luck with the IC Vermillion  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: blighty on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:05:41
I'd like a set of pcbs, if possible.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:07:10
Needs to happen!!!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:11:06
Hey Vermillion is there any chance you could post the list here so we can know who has made it and who hasn't? Also, what is the production process going to look like?

As I said that list thing was a big mistake haha.
I'll keep in my own way.
I'll cut this IC thread when I cannot handle more.
Bur it's not a guarantee that who posted here gets joined.
I really need your understand that I'm not doing this for business way.
So there is no formal or standard way.
But it should be fair and clear I wish I can do that.

Thanks for clarifying.

As long as I get in it's cool
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:11:54
Already 50 responses in this thread  :eek:
I'm sure you will have no problem with the people on the list so far.
Especially with the people on kbdlab who are in on this.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:18:24
Anyone have some more photos? It's really hard to see what's on the left.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:20:18
POST FROM ZEFYR

My customs

(http://i.imgur.com/CxNMp0f.jpg)
VE Series

(http://i.imgur.com/axogrFP.jpg)
Vergo One
- prototype of Vergo type.T
- Alps salmon pink from AEK II
- keycaps also from AEK II, dying with black.
- 1.2T laser-cut aluminium switch plate

(http://i.imgur.com/sgFNnKr.jpg)
Vergo type.T
- Reference(shared in public) acrylic housing design
- Cherry MX brown

(http://i.imgur.com/thOdghQ.jpg)
Vergo type.T
- 1.5T STS switch plate
- Private acrylic housing design
- Alps orange (tactile spring removed) from AEK I
- Keycaps alos from AEK I and M0116

(http://i.imgur.com/wCTEdsb.jpg)
VE.A
- Cherry MX black with 60g custom spring

(http://i.imgur.com/3ULbcux.jpg)
I just love Taeyeon.

(http://i.imgur.com/SqH0ceL.jpg)
VE acrylic stand with Vergo type.T

* I read last posts and saw some arguing about thread title
* I'm a bit scared  :-[, plus I cannot understand some of posts (short english hmm)
* anyway, I'm a Korean, and all my keyboard is Korean, so I think this is not a problem on this thread.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:20:53
Here is the most recent version.

(http://i.imgur.com/Yyw4Jh1.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:24:55
Already 50 responses in this thread  :eek:
I'm sure you will have no problem with the people on the list so far.
Especially with the people on kbdlab who are in on this.

I think the main problem will just be being overwhelmed by the amount of interest and potential orders. It might be hard to satisfy everyone's request.

I mean, the Octagon v2 buy is a great example of this. I didn't expect that one to get so much rabid attention, but this one is on another level in terms of uniqueness.

I can only imagine the interest being much higher when all is said and done.

I just don't know how Zefyr will meet all of the interest. I would imagine, like the Octagon v2, there will have to be a cap somewhere! He did say that he will close the IC when it becomes too much, so we shall see. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mason on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:28:27
I need one. I'll sell all my things to get one.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mobbo on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:33:40
In for one and a stand.

This will be my first and only split keyboard.

One question - how does the keyboard fit back together? Do the halves just rest flush against each other, or is there some kind of clicking/locking mechanism?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Bucky on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:44:25
I have never been interested in a split keyboard, but this I want. Really amazing looking.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:49:00
Does anyone know if this will come assembled or as a kit?  Switches included or no?  If not, this thing is gonna get expensive real fast, but my incomg 78g Zealios would probably feel right at home on it :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ebacho on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:54:42
In.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FLFisherman on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:55:43
One question - how does the keyboard fit back together? Do the halves just rest flush against each other, or is there some kind of clicking/locking mechanism?

It appears to just rest flush together.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Tue, 02 February 2016, 13:59:55
Does anyone know if this will come assembled or as a kit?  Switches included or no?  If not, this thing is gonna get expensive real fast, but my incomg 78g Zealios would probably feel right at home on it :)

I've heard that assembly might be offered, but I don't see how it'd be more expensive if it came as a kit, especially if you have switches already! Usually, it's always more expensive (and a PITA for me anyway) to buy assembled boards. I prefer kits so I can customize exactly as I want. :)

It's gonna be a toss-up between blue Alps or vintage MX "clicky clear" white switches in Zealio housings with carbon fiber stickers for me. :3

One question - how does the keyboard fit back together? Do the halves just rest flush against each other, or is there some kind of clicking/locking mechanism?

It appears to just rest flush together.

Yep, they are free, they do not lock.

It'll make transporting this one a little tricky. A custom case like the ergodox sorts would work for this, me thinks.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Delirious on Tue, 02 February 2016, 14:08:13
Someone should direct the Matias guys to this thread and let them know standard keycap's dimension is the key success.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:18:53
Does anyone know if this will come assembled or as a kit?  Switches included or no?  If not, this thing is gonna get expensive real fast, but my incomg 78g Zealios would probably feel right at home on it :)

I've heard that assembly might be offered, but I don't see how it'd be more expensive if it came as a kit, especially if you have switches already! Usually, it's always more expensive (and a PITA for me anyway) to buy assembled boards. I prefer kits so I can customize exactly as I want. :)

It's gonna be a toss-up between blue Alps or vintage MX "clicky clear" white switches in Zealio housings with carbon fiber stickers for me. :3

I don't have the tools, knowledge, or space to put the board together myself so I would have to send it to someone else to have it put together, along with the switches.  So I would have to pay for international shipping to myself, then to someone else to put it together, and then to have it shipped back to me on top of the cost of having it put together.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mobbo on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:21:06
Does anyone know if this will come assembled or as a kit?  Switches included or no?  If not, this thing is gonna get expensive real fast, but my incomg 78g Zealios would probably feel right at home on it :)

I've heard that assembly might be offered, but I don't see how it'd be more expensive if it came as a kit, especially if you have switches already! Usually, it's always more expensive (and a PITA for me anyway) to buy assembled boards. I prefer kits so I can customize exactly as I want. :)

It's gonna be a toss-up between blue Alps or vintage MX "clicky clear" white switches in Zealio housings with carbon fiber stickers for me. :3

I don't have the tools or knowledge to put the board together myself so I would have to send it to someone else to have it put together, along with the switches.  So I would have to pay for international shipping to myself, then to someone else to put it together, and then to have it shipped back to me.

I am the same way. Would still love customization options, but an assembled option would save me the cost of shipping + serves of having a third party put it together.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:33:42
Anyway we can just order PCBs?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: byker on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:38:19
Anyway we can just order PCBs?

I would also be interested in pcbs
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:39:19
One question - how does the keyboard fit back together? Do the halves just rest flush against each other, or is there some kind of clicking/locking mechanism?

It appears to just rest flush together.

Yep, no locking mechanism
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:39:35
I am in for at least one. I have been looking for a board like this for a while!

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:40:05
Anyway we can just order PCBs?

Anyway we can just order PCBs?

I would also be interested in pcbs

You two are able to make your own cases?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:40:28
Anyway we can just order PCBs?

Anyway we can just order PCBs?

I would also be interested in pcbs

You two are able to make your own cases?

Yep, I have shops and the case files are open source
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mobbo on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:40:57
One question - how does the keyboard fit back together? Do the halves just rest flush against each other, or is there some kind of clicking/locking mechanism?

It appears to just rest flush together.

Yep, no locking mechanism

Thanks guys, that's what I thought from the pictures. Just wanted to make sure there weren't any hidden magic magnets or something.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:42:25
How much would the switch plate option be?

I would definitely be interested in picking up ALPS PCB and Plate. Do you know if the PCB will support both ALPS and MX?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hoggy on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:45:05
Xondat, that collection is stunning...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:45:27
Xondat, that collection is stunning...

That's not his collection, it's Zefyr's.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: slickmamba on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:45:27
Interested!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:59:20
Xondat, that collection is stunning...

That's not his collection, it's Zefyr's.

Yeah, he probably should have noted that at the top, not the bottom, though.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:59:48
Xondat, that collection is stunning...

Yeah not mine. Removed the quote so that each picture didn't look like so:

Here is the most recent version.

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Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: raymogi on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:09:17
Yes please.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:14:12
In for one.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Sent on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:18:47
In.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:26:50
Damn I really hope this doesn't happen too soon. Need to make some money ASAP.

I think I found what I haven't really been looking for. #dreaming
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:29:27
Damn I really hope this doesn't happen too soon. Need to make some money ASAP.

I think I found what I haven't really been looking for. #dreaming

He said late February.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:47:38
Damn I really hope this doesn't happen too soon. Need to make some money ASAP.

I think I found what I haven't really been looking for. #dreaming

He said late February.
Yay! (I like it when I don't have to keep an eye on stuff for too long, or I'll forget about it...)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:53:57
How much would the switch plate option be?

I would definitely be interested in picking up ALPS PCB and Plate. Do you know if the PCB will support both ALPS and MX?

Karura, the PCB is MX and Alps compatible or an "MXAlps" PCB, as I like to call them. No worries about needing a separate PCB. Now, when it comes to plate, I can't say.

 I'm going to speculate that there are separate plates, but there might be a chance that the plates are similar to LZ and JDCarpe's designs with notches that allow not only for MX switch top opening, but Alps compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Tue, 02 February 2016, 16:55:41
VE.A

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Aluminium Armor
Poly-carbonate Frame
STS switch mounting plate
Alps / Cherry MX compatible
Keymap Programmable firmware and control program by winkeyless.kr

Price around 400~450 USD

do you even have to ask?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Tue, 02 February 2016, 18:44:53
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/703/434/003/da3e1ea9c712e63e00d6bbce2914d74d.jpg)
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/703/434/003/465b6375379843f6c22a7c6afba62efc.jpg)
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I'm all over this I will be joining this for sure 100% I love your design so much  :-*

that green looks amazing might go great with the gmk typewriter if that goes through
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dohbot on Tue, 02 February 2016, 18:46:50
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What key is next to the right shift and 0? Is that standard in all kits?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: tuco on Tue, 02 February 2016, 18:48:53
If there is room, I'll be in.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 02 February 2016, 18:53:09
How much would the switch plate option be?

I would definitely be interested in picking up ALPS PCB and Plate. Do you know if the PCB will support both ALPS and MX?

Karura, the PCB is MX and Alps compatible or an "MXAlps" PCB, as I like to call them. No worries about needing a separate PCB. Now, when it comes to plate, I can't say.

 I'm going to speculate that there are separate plates, but there might be a chance that the plates are similar to LZ and JDCarpe's designs with notches that allow not only for MX switch top opening, but Alps compatibility.

Because alps caps usually use stabs of a different kind there are separate plates.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Tue, 02 February 2016, 18:54:22
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omg that is so lovely  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Tue, 02 February 2016, 18:55:37
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What key is next to the right shift and 0? Is that standard in all kits?

yes
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:06:19
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omg that is so lovely  :-*

The profiles are all wrong!  :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:08:02
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omg that is so lovely  :-*

The profiles are all wrong!  :confused:
Shhh it looks pretty.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:09:58
The more I look at this the more I think that left cluster looks out of place. Aren't those usually reserved for Fn keys? Since the board already has F keys and the right cluster, the left seems unnecessary, and doesn't look like a good num pad replacement.

That's just me. I think it still looks beautiful.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: rainb1ood on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:17:27
I'm interested, that green alu one looks sexy
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: lol on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:18:27
Hopefully I can get in on this :( have 0 luck with group buys already
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:19:56
duh.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: limitz on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:25:59
Interested. Take my money.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:27:52
The more I look at this the more I think that left cluster looks out of place. Aren't those usually reserved for Fn keys? Since the board already has F keys and the right cluster, the left seems unnecessary, and doesn't look like a good num pad replacement.

That's just me. I think it still looks beautiful.

Honestly the dimensions of 75% boards look like garbage.
That extra horizontal length is much more visually appealing. I haven't a clue what I would do with it either.
I also have zero clue what caps to even put there.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:28:24
The more I look at this the more I think that left cluster looks out of place. Aren't those usually reserved for Fn keys? Since the board already has F keys and the right cluster, the left seems unnecessary, and doesn't look like a good num pad replacement.

That's just me. I think it still looks beautiful.

I mean, usually that cluster doesn't exist. On the Kmac Mini people normally do put F1-F10. That is my only issue with this layout; that it has both the F row and the left cluster. Granted it makes the two halves symetric in size, but I would prefer one or the other. If I had wizard level hindsight I would have ordered the right amount of blanks from the Alpine Winter GB and been able to make a legendary build out of this.

But alas, the Canadian currency is stopping me from even dreaming about this :(  Good luck to everyone trying to get one of these beauties.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:28:59
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What key is next to the right shift and 0? Is that standard in all kits?

I'm not sure what row that's from, but you can do a complete Vergo layout with a 104 ANSI set with just a short right shift.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:39:05
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What key is next to the right shift and 0? Is that standard in all kits?

I'm not sure what row that's from, but you can do a complete Vergo layout with a 104 ANSI set with just a short right shift.

I assume that key is the blank R4 key made for ISO comparability.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:43:15
The more I look at this the more I think that left cluster looks out of place. Aren't those usually reserved for Fn keys? Since the board already has F keys and the right cluster, the left seems unnecessary, and doesn't look like a good num pad replacement.

That's just me. I think it still looks beautiful.

programmable keys? I would only used them as shortcuts or game binds
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dohbot on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:43:34
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What key is next to the right shift and 0? Is that standard in all kits?

I'm not sure what row that's from, but you can do a complete Vergo layout with a 104 ANSI set with just a short right shift.

I assume that key is the blank R4 key made for ISO comparability.
Sweet I love how ISO is learning how to get along and serve its ANSI overlord.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dohbot on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:44:03
The more I look at this the more I think that left cluster looks out of place. Aren't those usually reserved for Fn keys? Since the board already has F keys and the right cluster, the left seems unnecessary, and doesn't look like a good num pad replacement.

That's just me. I think it still looks beautiful.

I mean, usually that cluster doesn't exist. On the Kmac Mini people normally do put F1-F10. That is my only issue with this layout; that it has both the F row and the left cluster. Granted it makes the two halves symetric in size, but I would prefer one or the other. If I had wizard level hindsight I would have ordered the right amount of blanks from the Alpine Winter GB and been able to make a legendary build out of this.

But alas, the Canadian currency is stopping me from even dreaming about this :(  Good luck to everyone trying to get one of these beauties.
I'd probably use it for artisans or something :P
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 19:50:53
The more I look at this the more I think that left cluster looks out of place. Aren't those usually reserved for Fn keys? Since the board already has F keys and the right cluster, the left seems unnecessary, and doesn't look like a good num pad replacement.

That's just me. I think it still looks beautiful.

I mean, usually that cluster doesn't exist. On the Kmac Mini people normally do put F1-F10. That is my only issue with this layout; that it has both the F row and the left cluster. Granted it makes the two halves symetric in size, but I would prefer one or the other. If I had wizard level hindsight I would have ordered the right amount of blanks from the Alpine Winter GB and been able to make a legendary build out of this.

But alas, the Canadian currency is stopping me from even dreaming about this :(  Good luck to everyone trying to get one of these beauties.
I'd probably use it for artisans or something :P

yes!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:00:20
The more I look at this the more I think that left cluster looks out of place. Aren't those usually reserved for Fn keys? Since the board already has F keys and the right cluster, the left seems unnecessary, and doesn't look like a good num pad replacement.

That's just me. I think it still looks beautiful.

I mean, usually that cluster doesn't exist. On the Kmac Mini people normally do put F1-F10. That is my only issue with this layout; that it has both the F row and the left cluster. Granted it makes the two halves symetric in size, but I would prefer one or the other. If I had wizard level hindsight I would have ordered the right amount of blanks from the Alpine Winter GB and been able to make a legendary build out of this.

But alas, the Canadian currency is stopping me from even dreaming about this :(  Good luck to everyone trying to get one of these beauties.
I'd probably use it for artisans or something :P

ALPS artisans  :'(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:01:38
The more I look at this the more I think that left cluster looks out of place. Aren't those usually reserved for Fn keys? Since the board already has F keys and the right cluster, the left seems unnecessary, and doesn't look like a good num pad replacement.

That's just me. I think it still looks beautiful.

I mean, usually that cluster doesn't exist. On the Kmac Mini people normally do put F1-F10. That is my only issue with this layout; that it has both the F row and the left cluster. Granted it makes the two halves symetric in size, but I would prefer one or the other. If I had wizard level hindsight I would have ordered the right amount of blanks from the Alpine Winter GB and been able to make a legendary build out of this.

But alas, the Canadian currency is stopping me from even dreaming about this :(  Good luck to everyone trying to get one of these beauties.
I'd probably use it for artisans or something

ALPS artisans  :'(
You need the geekhack monthly novelty caps from JDCarpe
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:02:58
Damn. Reading all the threads it looks like there is a lot of excitement for this split board. I posted early so I am hoping I made the list  ;D if not oh well. Awesome stuff Zefyr, thanks for bringing this to Geekhack!  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:26:40
I'm interested!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ccc24 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:35:05
Man haven't been able to check up on this board for a few days hopefully I can get in. Just pmd. I would like to be on the list.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:42:32
Interested. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:44:03
Man there's a lot of people interested. I hope most of us can make it in. :(

I know I really really want in on this.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:47:39
Oh man... I was sooo wrong.
I should lock IC thread right here.
I'll check names and count quantity...
Damn... I have to look for help. Seriously!
I am happy, excited and exhausted already.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 20:52:54
Oh man... I was sooo wrong.
I should lock IC thread right here.
I'll check names and count quantity...
Damn... I have to look for help. Seriously!
I am happy, excited and exhausted already.

If you seriously need help with anything, let me know!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:10:01
bump
- There's no "list" -
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dohbot on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:11:40
bump
- There's no "list" -
But... Can I be on a list?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:16:49
bump
- There's no "list" -
But... Can I be on a list?

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Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mobbo on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:22:57
I am become list.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:27:35
I am become list.

Destroyer of boards.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: clacktalk on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:28:08
I WANT A PIECE OF THIS PIE

FIRST TIME LEDS EVER TURNED ME ON
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: kenshinjeff on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:33:39
bump
- There's no "list" -

Please let us know when there is one, as you can see, many are very interested in this : ) 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ImpendingxDoom on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:36:21
I'm p sure geekhack is just a series of good and bad lists.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:36:47
bump
- There's no "list" -

Please let us know when there is one, as you can see, many are very interested in this : )

There won't be a list, that's what he's trying to say. He didn't expect this much interest so plans have changed. His best bet is to make a set number of boards that he's comfortable with and having first come first serve or randomize the entries. If everything goes well then there's nothing stopping him from having another round/version and supplying more boards to people.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:37:29
/me puts his name on the *secret* list  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:43:19
/me puts his name on the *secret* list  ;)

Didn't know you can do that!  :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: clacktalk on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:43:39

I'm p sure geekhack is just a series of good and bad lists.

ur on my g list dawg

right next to ripster
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: digi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:44:08
/me puts his name on the *secret* list  ;)

It's ok Hoff, you can speak about yourself in 1st person..we won't judge. :)

/me loves 3rd person sexy talk though...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:48:44
/me puts his name on the *secret* list  ;)

Didn't know you can do that!  :p

hehehe  ;)  :P


/me puts his name on the *secret* list  ;)

It's ok Hoff, you can speak about yourself in 1st person..we won't judge. :)

/me loves 3rd person sexy talk though...

Oh myyyy
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:51:12
/me puts his name on the *secret* list  ;)

/me explodes
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:53:16
Oh man... I was sooo wrong.
I should lock IC thread right here.
I'll check names and count quantity...
Damn... I have to look for help. Seriously!
I am happy, excited and exhausted already.

Some ICs tend to get more popular than expected.  This is one of them.

Without a list, I'll at least say that I'm interested as well and not sure how I missed this one earlier.  This is more or less the kind of keyboard I'd love to have.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:53:35
I'm p sure geekhack is just a series of good and bad lists.

If GH has a Naughty and Nice list does that make iMav Santa and  HoffmanMyster Mrs. Claus?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:55:00
I'm p sure geekhack is just a series of good and bad lists.

If GH has a Naughty and Nice list does that make iMav Santa and  HoffmanMyster Mrs. Claus?

Not sure if being iMav's wife is good or bad... 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:58:07
I'm p sure geekhack is just a series of good and bad lists.

If GH has a Naughty and Nice list does that make iMav Santa and  HoffmanMyster Mrs. Claus?

Not sure if being iMav's wife is good or bad... 

In a way we are Elves creating and making goods like they do in the North Pole. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ImpendingxDoom on Wed, 03 February 2016, 20:58:55
I'm p sure geekhack is just a series of good and bad lists.

If GH has a Naughty and Nice list does that make iMav Santa and  HoffmanMyster Mrs. Claus?

Not sure if being iMav's wife is good or bad... 

In a way we are Elves creating and making goods like they do in the North Pole. :thumb:

demik confirmed krampus
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: digi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 21:00:23
/me puts his name on the *secret* list  ;)

Didn't know you can do that!  :p

hehehe  ;)  :P


/me puts his name on the *secret* list  ;)

It's ok Hoff, you can speak about yourself in 1st person..we won't judge. :)

/me loves 3rd person sexy talk though...

Oh myyyy

reported for hacking my post
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 03 February 2016, 21:01:58
Not to derail this did, but I'm excited for this.

I hope zefyr doesn't stress himself out and take on too much.

inb4 saltiness if people don't get a spot.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: digi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 21:02:39
Not to derail this did, but I'm excited for this.

I hope zefyr doesn't stress himself out and take on too much.

inb4 saltiness if people don't get a spot.

please don't derail our derailing's..
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 21:04:32
Not to derail this did, but I'm excited for this.

I hope zefyr doesn't stress himself out and take on too much.

inb4 saltiness if people don't get a spot.

please don't derail our derailing's..

Your derailing's *what*?! The suspense is killing me!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Wed, 03 February 2016, 21:06:51
I posted in the VE.A discussion thread, but basically I mentioned that:

In order to keep this keyboard "rare", "special", whatever you want to call it, and still have Vermillion dedicate his own time to add his personal touch, perhaps it might be a good idea to do GB in rounds.

Instead of taking ~100 orders for one round, maybe you can consider doing 30-50~ each round, and once you are done and happy with that, slowly start another round! This way hopefully it will still be a fun hobby for you, and you won't be overworked. :thumb:

Another benefit for buyers is that, if we have a lower QTY each time, this just means Vermillion will be able to spend more time QC, because with a larger QTY, you always have to worry about more QC issues, and time is a finite resource.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: digi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 21:07:52
Everything is rare now.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ileben on Wed, 03 February 2016, 21:31:59
I'm interested, but one thing worries me. That 1u key at the right endof the left-hand bottom row seems to be exactly where I'd want to press the spacebar, so I think it will keep getting in the way and bending my left thumb more to press the longer key would get tiring.

Apart from that, I'm a big fan of the layout. I've wanted a split keyboard for the longest time, but I'm looking for a more standard layout than Ergo Dox etc as I need the full range of function keys and dedicated home/end pgup/dn and everything else for work. Extra programmable cluster on the left will be a nice bonus.

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 03 February 2016, 21:46:35
Not to derail this did, but I'm excited for this.

I hope zefyr doesn't stress himself out and take on too much.

inb4 saltiness if people don't get a spot.

I'm 100% positive that everyone will give it the ol' college try when it comes to not being salty.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: deduction on Wed, 03 February 2016, 21:47:36
****, I mean, how could I not? Thing is gorgeous enough to buy and build just for the sake of looking at it.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: daviswalkers on Wed, 03 February 2016, 22:00:09
As mentioned in PM I'm for sure interested!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 03 February 2016, 22:02:39
This is honestly the first split keyboard that gets my interest.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: switchnollie on Wed, 03 February 2016, 22:45:27
This is honestly the first split keyboard that gets my interest.

Likewise, you can put it together if you just want 1 board too :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 03 February 2016, 22:47:47
This is honestly the first split keyboard that gets my interest.

Likewise, you can put it together if you just want 1 board too :)

I really hope I can get a shot at buying one in the near future!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 03 February 2016, 22:56:18
Well, if nothing else he can do multiple rounds if he's up for that.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Thu, 04 February 2016, 02:30:01

But this is seriously one of the coolest boards ive ever seen. Might have to sell my kidneys, because this is my new dream board.


EDIT: Ok scratch that, Im selling a guitar to buy this!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zeneraith on Thu, 04 February 2016, 07:32:09
Very, very interested in this. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Thu, 04 February 2016, 10:10:47
This is very interesting, to me, that is.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 04 February 2016, 10:33:33
This is very interesting, to me, that is.

and a **** ton of other people  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Thu, 04 February 2016, 11:45:32
This is very interesting, to me, that is.

and a **** ton of other people  :rolleyes:

Don't even think this thread is necessary, any living being that sees this board will want it :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Thu, 04 February 2016, 11:47:19
This is very interesting, to me, that is.

and a **** ton of other people  :rolleyes:

Don't even think this thread is necessary, any living being that sees this board will want it :eek:

Considering there are two active threads on this, I'd say we have a  contender for keyboard of the year.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: regallegion on Thu, 04 February 2016, 12:07:46
My wallets telling me no....
BUT MY BODY, MY BODY IS TELLING ME YES
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 04 February 2016, 13:16:34
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Carlos_the_turtle on Thu, 04 February 2016, 13:17:28
I need this in my life.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: fliptrik on Thu, 04 February 2016, 13:24:46
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

LSB posted it haha. Everybody is hopping over to check it out.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Thu, 04 February 2016, 13:25:31
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

Lmao, hey guys :-* I hope people read the FAQ.

Edit: oh it's in the other thread mb
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zapheo on Thu, 04 February 2016, 13:27:35
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

LSB posted it haha. Everybody is hopping over to check it out.

That makes much more sense. I was wondering why it was so high.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 04 February 2016, 13:40:13
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

LSB posted it haha. Everybody is hopping over to check it out.

But why :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Thu, 04 February 2016, 13:45:19
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

LSB posted it haha. Everybody is hopping over to check it out.

But why :confused:

I'm afraid this is just going to bring more weight on Zefyr. He was already stressed with all the attention here.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 04 February 2016, 13:46:57
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

LSB posted it haha. Everybody is hopping over to check it out.

But why :confused:

I'm afraid this is just going to bring more weight on Zefyr. He was already stressed with all the attention here.

Yeah, frankly I don't see the need to also post on reddit. This was already just meant to be some small side thing, there's no need to bring hundreds more over here
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Thu, 04 February 2016, 14:12:58
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 04 February 2016, 14:45:37
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

LSB posted it haha. Everybody is hopping over to check it out.

  :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 04 February 2016, 14:52:15
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

LSB posted it haha. Everybody is hopping over to check it out.

Yeah we really did not need the extra interest. Even without there there was at least 3x the amount of interest than the amount Zefyr was planning on making.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Thu, 04 February 2016, 15:03:03
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

LSB posted it haha. Everybody is hopping over to check it out.

Yeah we really did not need the extra interest. Even without there there was at least 3x the amount of interest than the amount Zefyr was planning on making.

This not gon be gud. :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Brammm87 on Thu, 04 February 2016, 15:24:10
Oh god, I want this too.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Dodgy on Thu, 04 February 2016, 15:30:41
Yes  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 04 February 2016, 15:31:58
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

LSB posted it haha. Everybody is hopping over to check it out.

Yeah we really did not need the extra interest. Even without there there was at least 3x the amount of interest than the amount Zefyr was planning on making.

This not gon be gud. :(

Sadly, not at all. We should've just kept it to ourselves rather than starting the conversation in the Octagon thread. :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Thu, 04 February 2016, 15:44:54
Lol there is almost 200 people viewing this thread at the moment. Did somebody link it to reddit or something? 166 guests...

LSB posted it haha. Everybody is hopping over to check it out.

Yeah we really did not need the extra interest. Even without there there was at least 3x the amount of interest than the amount Zefyr was planning on making.

This not gon be gud. :(

Sadly, not at all. We should've just kept it to ourselves rather than starting the conversation in the Octagon thread. :p

PANDORA'S BOX.

**** man, haha. Well, in some ways this might be good. If a more mass produced model can be introduced, I think it'd create a lot of welcome business, but for something limited like this that's not as easy to produce, it just seems straining.

Of course, that said, you don't want either end, the limited, or more open (hypothetically speaking) model to be watered down at all because of overwhelming interest.

Like, I seriously never would've thought the second Octagon would've gotten 90+ orders placed, not with the first only having 27 orders. Just, wow.

The community is bustling and that's great!

In the end, I think Zefyr will handle this well, but I'm sure it's still stressful to see.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:03:27
Meh. So far I've been lucky to spot just about every single kustom GB before the cut-off time.
I even caught the Janes.

I'm just more worried that Vermillion will take on more than he is willing; he seems to be doing that already.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Behemothe on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:04:30
Wow I really want to have this one my desk right now.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: o3okevin on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:08:31
Meh. So far I've been lucky to spot just about every single kustom GB before the cut-off time.
I even caught the Janes.

I'm just more worried that Vermillion will take on more than he is willing; he seems to be doing that already.
We could've been Jane brothers :(

Posting this thread to Reddit can be taken a few ways... there are enthusiasts that only browse there, but have just as much interest as the rest of us in a keyboard like the VE.A; why should it be kept "exclusive" to Geekhack? I believe Vermillion was aiming to branch out internationally, and that certainly includes other communities.
Now whether he'll be able to control the demand with production remains to be seen.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:13:00
We could've been Jane brothers :(

Sorry. I would much rather have the Mira. Even if a third, and even better Jane, came out right now I would still say the same.
I'm also sorry for that derailing.

But yes, why should we contain this to Geekhack?
Vermillion is primarily a member of kbdlab and if anything, Geekhack should be blessed that he even bothered to come here.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:16:07
Vermillion is primarily a member of kbdlab and if anything, Geekhack should be blessed that he even bothered to come here.

I completely agree with this.

I'm not a fan of elitism, but I don't think Zefyr needs all of this attention right now. I can imagine it being flattering but also straining. He didn't foresee the interest on GH to begin with, let alone outside of this forum.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:21:18
Furthermore, if there is enough interest in this and if I have the ability to do so, I may try and have a new case designed for this PCB.
Back when the Vergo Type. T was revealed I had a dream to make an aluminum case for this.
There are some improvements I could see added to the current housing, though, I admittedly know nothing about CAD.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: William_S_Jones on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:30:52
This is a nice keyboard. I'm loving it. I've got to see what my funds are like come it's GB release.......
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:31:56
I can't see this ending well. This is was never supposed to be a big project. This was probably supposed to be like 20 boards max.

The thirst for the korean customs is real right now.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:40:55
I can't see this ending well. This is was never supposed to be a big project. This was probably supposed to be like 20 boards max.

The thirst for the korean customs is real right now.  ;)

We're gonna scare him off 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:44:40
I can't see this ending well. This is was never supposed to be a big project. This was probably supposed to be like 20 boards max.

The thirst for the korean customs is real right now.  ;)

We're gonna scare him off

I think we already did.  :-X
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:45:23
I can't see this ending well. This is was never supposed to be a big project. This was probably supposed to be like 20 boards max.

The thirst for the korean customs is real right now.  ;)

We're gonna scare him off

I think we already did.  :-X

I wonder how that happened.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:45:29
EVERYONE! DISPERSE!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:48:08
EVERYONE! DISPERSE!

That includes you right?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 04 February 2016, 16:58:21
derail the thread! post topre since its too many shekels for rubber dome   :p


(http://i.imgur.com/PcwUSJK.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: turboloser on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:06:51
All I know is that last time I missed out on both Jane GB's because the link got shared, and I am not going to let that happen here.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:12:32
All I know is that last time I missed out on both Jane GB's because the link got shared, and I am not going to let that happen here.

(http://i.giphy.com/xTiTnHXbRoaZ1B1Mo8.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:14:52
How do I sign up for this?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:18:38
How do I sign up for this?

He'll decide who gets in on the buy sometime later
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:26:42
Ok then, I'm officially recording my interest.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:28:01
EVERYONE! DISPERSE!

That includes you right?

YES.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: turboloser on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:28:11
All I know is that last time I missed out on both Jane GB's because the link got shared, and I am not going to let that happen here.

Show Image
(http://i.giphy.com/xTiTnHXbRoaZ1B1Mo8.gif)


And I counter with:

(http://i.imgur.com/NcxrA6I.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:29:28
All I know is that last time I missed out on both Jane GB's because the link got shared, and I am not going to let that happen here.

Show Image
(http://i.giphy.com/xTiTnHXbRoaZ1B1Mo8.gif)


And I counter with:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NcxrA6I.gif)


(http://i.giphy.com/aiR9vAJkLSYNO.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:31:26
I can't see this ending well. This is was never supposed to be a big project. This was probably supposed to be like 20 boards max.

The thirst for the korean customs is real right now.  ;)

1) Build 20 boards.
2) Auction them off.
3) Profit!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Thu, 04 February 2016, 17:32:43
I can't see this ending well. This is was never supposed to be a big project. This was probably supposed to be like 20 boards max.

The thirst for the korean customs is real right now.  ;)

1) Build 20 boards.
2) Auction them off.
3) Profit!
Plzno
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: turboloser on Thu, 04 February 2016, 19:55:28
All I know is that last time I missed out on both Jane GB's because the link got shared, and I am not going to let that happen here.

Show Image
(http://i.giphy.com/xTiTnHXbRoaZ1B1Mo8.gif)


And I counter with:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NcxrA6I.gif)


Show Image
(http://i.giphy.com/aiR9vAJkLSYNO.gif)


(http://i.imgur.com/YifevOC.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 04 February 2016, 20:52:39
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
I overslept!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot be more approciated for your interest guys.
And don't you consider me as a visiter.
That makes me like.... Kocking on GH door and smile saying
"Hi! is this household needs a gooood, new keyboard to makes everything better?"
Heh

I am a enthusiast, a nerd, a geek and a proud geekhack member.
You cannot scare me off by showing interest.
Seriously, who wouldn't likes people love his work?

I JUST OVERSLEPT.
Man my boss must be maaaad by now.
And you guys have to think about jetlag. Haha.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zapheo on Thu, 04 February 2016, 20:54:46
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
I overslept!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot be more approciated for your interest guys.
And don't you consider me as a visiter.
That makes me like.... Kocking on GH door and smile saying
"Hi! is this household needs a gooood, new keyboard to makes everything better?"
Heh

I am a enthusiast, a nerd, a geek and a proud geekhack member.
You cannot scare me off by showing interest.
Seriously, who wouldn't likes people love his work?

I JUST OVERSLEPT.
Man my boss must be maaaad by now.
And you guys have to think about jetlag. Haha.

Heh, I seriously thought we scared you away! :)) Glad to see you're still here trying to bring us this amazing keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 04 February 2016, 20:57:41
Hehehe, can't scare zefyr away.  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 04 February 2016, 20:58:13
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
I overslept!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot be more approciated for your interest guys.
And don't you consider me as a visiter.
That makes me like.... Kocking on GH door and smile saying
"Hi! is this household needs a gooood, new keyboard to makes everything better?"
Heh

I am a enthusiast, a nerd, a geek and a proud geekhack member.
You cannot scare me off by showing interest.
Seriously, who wouldn't likes people love his work?

I JUST OVERSLEPT.
Man my boss must be maaaad by now.
And you guys have to think about jetlag. Haha.

well, this house needs a nice new keyboard, but right now you need to get your ass to work!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 04 February 2016, 20:58:33
You had us worried. :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 04 February 2016, 20:59:43
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
I overslept!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot be more approciated for your interest guys.
And don't you consider me as a visiter.
That makes me like.... Kocking on GH door and smile saying
"Hi! is this household needs a gooood, new keyboard to makes everything better?"
Heh

I am a enthusiast, a nerd, a geek and a proud geekhack member.
You cannot scare me off by showing interest.
Seriously, who wouldn't likes people love his work?

I JUST OVERSLEPT.
Man my boss must be maaaad by now.
And you guys have to think about jetlag. Haha.

well, this house needs a nice new keyboard, but right now you need to get your ass to work!

Now I'm scared.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zapheo on Thu, 04 February 2016, 21:02:28
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
I overslept!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot be more approciated for your interest guys.
And don't you consider me as a visiter.
That makes me like.... Kocking on GH door and smile saying
"Hi! is this household needs a gooood, new keyboard to makes everything better?"
Heh

I am a enthusiast, a nerd, a geek and a proud geekhack member.
You cannot scare me off by showing interest.
Seriously, who wouldn't likes people love his work?

I JUST OVERSLEPT.
Man my boss must be maaaad by now.
And you guys have to think about jetlag. Haha.

well, this house needs a nice new keyboard, but right now you need to get your ass to work!

Now I'm scared.

C'mon hwood... We're traumatizing the poor guy!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: whentheclouds on Thu, 04 February 2016, 21:07:07
very nice of you to visit and converse with us so often. korean creators generally don't maintain a presence here on geekhack, except for

- lifezone who posts once in a blue moon

- gon who used to answer questions occasionally before his workload became a burden

- 22kbd/apollo who was never as popular as the big name makers. wonder where he went
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Thu, 04 February 2016, 21:16:58
Agreed, amazing that you're here.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 04 February 2016, 21:53:51
I can't see this ending well. This is was never supposed to be a big project. This was probably supposed to be like 20 boards max.

The thirst for the korean customs is real right now.  ;)

1) Build 20 boards.
2) Auction them off.
3) Profit!

Shhh no one asked you
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Thu, 04 February 2016, 22:02:44
Vermillion, jet lag or time difference is another way to describe it. :)

I am always happy to have more enthusiasts to chat with and discuss our passion for the hobby.

Really happy to have you here, don't be scared, hahaha
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 04 February 2016, 22:10:54
Vermillion, jet lag or time difference is another way to describe it. :)

I am always happy to have more enthusiasts to chat with and discuss our passion for the hobby.

Really happy to have you here, don't be scared, hahaha

jet-lag sounds jaaaaaaaazzy.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Thu, 04 February 2016, 22:11:24
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
I overslept!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot be more approciated for your interest guys.
And don't you consider me as a visiter.
That makes me like.... Kocking on GH door and smile saying
"Hi! is this household needs a gooood, new keyboard to makes everything better?"
Heh

I am a enthusiast, a nerd, a geek and a proud geekhack member.
You cannot scare me off by showing interest.
Seriously, who wouldn't likes people love his work?

I JUST OVERSLEPT.
Man my boss must be maaaad by now.
And you guys have to think about jetlag. Haha.

Zefyr, you are an amazing guy. We're proud to have you here. Your sense of humor is golden, haha.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vala on Thu, 04 February 2016, 22:22:38
Very interested. Yes.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Thu, 04 February 2016, 22:24:35
Very interested. Yes.

You can't always get what you want, Handsome Squidward.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ccc24 on Thu, 04 February 2016, 22:41:13
Very interested. Yes.

You can't always get what you want, Handsome Squidward.

But if you try sometime you find
You get what you need(VE.A)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 04 February 2016, 23:06:21
Zefyr, you are an amazing guy. We're proud to have you here. Your sense of humor is golden, haha.

I'm even better when I'm drunk. when I don't feel shy about bad grammar.
Wait, that's not better. dumb.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Sent on Thu, 04 February 2016, 23:38:00
I'm even better when I'm drunk. when I don't feel shy about bad grammar.
Wait, that's not better. dumb.

No, you're definitely right.  Much better when drunk.  Drunk always better. :))
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: lanyusea on Fri, 05 February 2016, 00:05:10
IN

but prefer a 60 layout
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 05 February 2016, 00:25:09
IN

but prefer a 60 layout

ok?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zapheo on Fri, 05 February 2016, 00:26:05
IN

but prefer a 60 layout

I don't think this board was made for that layout... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 05 February 2016, 00:27:33
IN

but prefer a 60 layout

Here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79161.0)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 February 2016, 00:57:25
At this point, from all we know, is anybody really "in"?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 05 February 2016, 01:07:14
IN

but prefer a 60 layout

How about UHK?
I find it really cool.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 05 February 2016, 01:33:30
So Zephyr, you take souls as payment right??    ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 05 February 2016, 01:36:46
So Zephyr, you take souls as payment right??    ;)

Only if you are a hot girl, and my contract will be "be in my dream, every night, do some nice things, like.... soldering together."
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Fri, 05 February 2016, 01:37:57
So Zephyr, you take souls as payment right??    ;)

Only if you are a hot girl, and my contract will be "be in my dream, every night, do some nice things, like.... soldering together."

Damn is that what the kids call it now. I need to go to some soldering lessons with hot girls :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 05 February 2016, 01:45:09
So Zephyr, you take souls as payment right??    ;)

Only if you are a hot girl, and my contract will be "be in my dream, every night, do some nice things, like.... soldering together."

Hey, I can be in your dreams, but I have a beard. We can still solder together though!  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: deduction on Fri, 05 February 2016, 02:00:36
All I know is that last time I missed out on both Jane GB's because the link got shared, and I am not going to let that happen here.

Show Image
(http://i.giphy.com/xTiTnHXbRoaZ1B1Mo8.gif)


In my most masochistic manner, I hope that His Holy Trumpiness may continue to bless us with his incredible mannerisms fit only for the most half-baked Adult Swim show.

For real, the man's a comedic genius.  Now, if only he was trying to be a comedian..
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Fri, 05 February 2016, 03:05:37
Interested!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 05 February 2016, 03:18:55
So Zephyr, you take souls as payment right??    ;)

Only if you are a hot girl, and my contract will be "be in my dream, every night, do some nice things, like.... soldering together."

Hey, I can be in your dreams, but I have a beard. We can still solder together though!  :cool:

My... that will be my nightmare tonight.
Thank you sir.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 05 February 2016, 03:44:04
So Zephyr, you take souls as payment right??    ;)

Only if you are a hot girl, and my contract will be "be in my dream, every night, do some nice things, like.... soldering together."

Hey, I can be in your dreams, but I have a beard. We can still solder together though!  :cool:

My... that will be my nightmare tonight.
Thank you sir.

(http://i.imgur.com/pYY4Bvb.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: clacktalk on Fri, 05 February 2016, 03:57:55
let's korea together

http://www.twitch.tv/gsl
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Fri, 05 February 2016, 06:14:26
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
I overslept!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot be more approciated for your interest guys.
And don't you consider me as a visiter.
That makes me like.... Kocking on GH door and smile saying
"Hi! is this household needs a gooood, new keyboard to makes everything better?"
Heh

I am a enthusiast, a nerd, a geek and a proud geekhack member.
You cannot scare me off by showing interest.
Seriously, who wouldn't likes people love his work?

I JUST OVERSLEPT.
Man my boss must be maaaad by now.
And you guys have to think about jetlag. Haha.

Where do I sign to accept the delivery of my VE.A? :)) :))

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 05 February 2016, 07:47:42
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
I overslept!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot be more approciated for your interest guys.
And don't you consider me as a visiter.
That makes me like.... Kocking on GH door and smile saying
"Hi! is this household needs a gooood, new keyboard to makes everything better?"
Heh

I am a enthusiast, a nerd, a geek and a proud geekhack member.
You cannot scare me off by showing interest.
Seriously, who wouldn't likes people love his work?

I JUST OVERSLEPT.
Man my boss must be maaaad by now.
And you guys have to think about jetlag. Haha.

Where do I sign to accept the delivery of my VE.A? :)) :))



I thought you were broke :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Fri, 05 February 2016, 07:51:49
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!
I overslept!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot be more approciated for your interest guys.
And don't you consider me as a visiter.
That makes me like.... Kocking on GH door and smile saying
"Hi! is this household needs a gooood, new keyboard to makes everything better?"
Heh

I am a enthusiast, a nerd, a geek and a proud geekhack member.
You cannot scare me off by showing interest.
Seriously, who wouldn't likes people love his work?

I JUST OVERSLEPT.
Man my boss must be maaaad by now.
And you guys have to think about jetlag. Haha.

Where do I sign to accept the delivery of my VE.A? :)) :))



I thought you were broke :p

I am, he should totally gift me one ;D

Seriously though, this is my endgame layout and it hits at the point where I'm broke. Sucks.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 05 February 2016, 07:53:28
So Zephyr, you take souls as payment right??    ;)

Only if you are a hot girl, and my contract will be "be in my dream, every night, do some nice things, like.... soldering together."

We can solder together!
Question: should I be naked when I solder with you?
You know... To reduce risk of static discharge
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 05 February 2016, 07:57:15
So Zephyr, you take souls as payment right??    ;)

Only if you are a hot girl, and my contract will be "be in my dream, every night, do some nice things, like.... soldering together."

We can solder together!
Question: should I be naked when I solder with you?
You know... To reduce risk of static discharge

I've read that that is how they work in some Chinese electronics manufacturing companies.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bare on Fri, 05 February 2016, 08:24:18
In. Please. <3
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mobbo on Fri, 05 February 2016, 08:29:59
Please put me on your naked soldering list.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Fri, 05 February 2016, 08:38:31
Please put me on your naked soldering list.

At least let me wear a heat shielded banana hammock.  :-X
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 05 February 2016, 10:22:38
Please put me on your naked soldering list.

At least let me wear a heat shielded banana hammock.  :-X

We can solder together!
Question: should I be naked when I solder with you?
You know... To reduce risk of static discharge

Man... this will keep me awake all night.
Image of bunch of naked man with soldering iron? much better than a liter of coffee. (I live in metric world. all the math is on you.)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 05 February 2016, 10:34:40
An extra large coffee at Tim Hortons is 3/4 litre.
1 litre isn't that much to Canadians haha.

Also, please, tell me more how these naked men will keep you up all night.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Jason_IRL on Fri, 05 February 2016, 11:09:29
DO. WANT. NEED
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 05 February 2016, 11:32:19
Just looking over the OP, beyond a normal keyset, what extra keys would be needed to cover this board?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 05 February 2016, 12:43:45
Just looking over the OP, beyond a normal keyset, what extra keys would be needed to cover this board?

The only extra key you'll need outside of a standard 104 key set is a short right shift. You could do the rest of the board with a single standard set. For a better idea just look at the alps one with apple caps since the rest are blanks. Use the numpad for the 10 macro keys and the two keys around the spacebar on the left side, and the right shift for the right space key.

(http://i.imgur.com/p6duEU0.png)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 05 February 2016, 12:45:41
Just looking over the OP, beyond a normal keyset, what extra keys would be needed to cover this board?

The only extra key you'll need outside of a standard 104 key set is a short right shift. You could do the rest of the board with a single standard set. For a better idea just look at the alps one with apple caps since the rest are blanks. Use the numpad for the 10 macro keys and the two keys around the spacebar on the left side, and the right shift for the right space key.

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(http://i.imgur.com/p6duEU0.png)


Awesome thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Fri, 05 February 2016, 14:33:40
Naked soldering makes for a good night of high risk, high reward.

The stakes are high, boys. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: t!ng on Fri, 05 February 2016, 14:43:28
This concept is stunning! Can't wait to see actual versions.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Ail on Fri, 05 February 2016, 16:43:39
OMFG this is genius. Please I need it.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 05 February 2016, 18:20:52
OMFG this is genius. Please I need it.

Get in line :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 05 February 2016, 19:52:00
This concept is stunning! Can't wait to see actual versions.
This is actual version.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hellcatz on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:00:08
OMFG this is genius. Please I need it.

Get in line :p
let the young go first
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:06:53
OMFG this is genius. Please I need it.

Get in line :p
let the young go first
You ringed my bell.
I'll let WOMEN(order in hotness) go first. And... I don't even bother to think lest of them. Who cares?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:09:56
OMFG this is genius. Please I need it.

Get in line :p
let the young go first
You ringed my bell.
I'll let WOMEN(order in hotness) go first. And... I don't even bother to think lest of them. Who cares?

Here is a picture of me.

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: lashiel on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:10:59
OMFG this is genius. Please I need it.

Get in line :p
let the young go first
You ringed my bell.
I'll let WOMEN(order in hotness) go first. And... I don't even bother to think lest of them. Who cares?

Here is a picture of me.

(Attachment Link)

Woah, hold on. Where'd you get that picture of me??
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:11:42
OMFG this is genius. Please I need it.

Get in line :p
let the young go first
You ringed my bell.
I'll let WOMEN(order in hotness) go first. And... I don't even bother to think lest of them. Who cares?

Here is a picture of me.

(Attachment Link)

Woah, hold on. Where'd you get that picture of me??

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:12:15
OMFG this is genius. Please I need it.

Get in line
let the young go first
You ringed my bell.
I'll let WOMEN(order in hotness) go first. And... I don't even bother to think lest of them. Who cares?

Here is a picture of me.

(Attachment Link)

Woah, hold on. Where'd you get that picture of me??

Are you the one with the blue shirt?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:15:20
Pic of me

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160206/edc6a9d8a20d30026a8e5277771c3eae.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hellcatz on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:25:08
I know hes korean and all but damn maybe he like basic white b#@#$es
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:26:55
I know hes korean and all but damn maybe he like basic white b#@#$es

Or maybe he likes the sistas'

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hellcatz on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:29:11
I know hes korean and all but damn maybe he like basic white b#@#$es

Or maybe he likes the sistas'

(Attachment Link)
see he gets it
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:31:15
Is this picture of me enough to get you aroused?
(http://megatokyo.com/strips/0070.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:35:47
Or maybe he......

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160206/240deaae27639904e4321d94edcab95b.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:40:39
OMFG this is genius. Please I need it.

Get in line :p
let the young go first
You ringed my bell.
I'll let WOMEN(order in hotness) go first. And... I don't even bother to think lest of them. Who cares?

Little did you know I'm actually Taeyeon
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:44:03
Or maybe he......

Show Image
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160206/240deaae27639904e4321d94edcab95b.jpg)


Stop right there.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: CJD_Anthony on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:46:55
If I wasn't so like.... into 60% kbs... and also if i had spare $450 rofl. i could just technically sell everything i own sigh
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:50:54
Or maybe he......

Show Image
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160206/240deaae27639904e4321d94edcab95b.jpg)


Yeah that's a negatory
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:52:13
Just joking lol
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Sent on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:54:15
You ringed my bell.
I'll let WOMEN(order in hotness) go first. And... I don't even bother to think lest of them. Who cares?

Here is a picture of me.

(Attachment Link)

You can see me in my avatar.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Fri, 05 February 2016, 20:57:46
You ringed my bell.
I'll let WOMEN(order in hotness) go first. And... I don't even bother to think lest of them. Who cares?

Here is a picture of me.

(Attachment Link)

You can see me in my avatar.

Fabulous.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Fri, 05 February 2016, 21:12:48
Or maybe he......

Show Image
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160206/240deaae27639904e4321d94edcab95b.jpg)


Yeah that's a negatory

Line trap, seriously. Whatever her name was back int he day. It is WEIRD as hell seeing pictures of them now.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 05 February 2016, 21:23:45
I could have sworn i showed major interest in this keyboard previously...

But here's my official request to be a part of this :D
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Fri, 05 February 2016, 21:33:04
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xEGqih6o0meyY/giphy.gif)

hey vermiliion  :-*    ~ winkwink Hows bout we reinstate a special list bwt me & you  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 05 February 2016, 22:27:08
bump
A little announcement of what's going on. primarily price, tax related.
I updated OP.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 05 February 2016, 22:29:33
bump
A little announcement of what's going on. primarily price, tax related.
I updated OP.

more $$$ :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Fri, 05 February 2016, 22:32:47
When you say it's not realistic to reach an MOQ of 300, do you mean it's not realistic because you don't think you'll reach that, or not realistic because it's too much work for you?

With the way this board has been praised, Im leaning that it may indeed be possible, especially seeing how many jumped on the Octagon v2 in just a few days.

But 300 is a lot for one man, so I can see it's not possible for a single person.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zapheo on Fri, 05 February 2016, 22:33:01
bump
A little announcement of what's going on. primarily price, tax related.
I updated OP.

Thanks for the update Vermillion. I appreciate you keeping us informed! I know this information will help many decide whether or not they can follow through with the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 February 2016, 22:39:26
You could charge pretty much any price now with all the hype and people would still pay you.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 05 February 2016, 22:40:21
I've already sold a guitar and some of my mtg collection so I have money set aside to cover it even if it goes up :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 February 2016, 22:41:43
I've already sold a guitar and some of my mtg collection so I have money set aside to cover it even if it goes up :thumb:

Case in point.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 05 February 2016, 22:47:10
When you say it's not realistic to reach an MOQ of 300, do you mean it's not realistic because you don't think you'll reach that, or not realistic because it's too much work for you?

Either way,
I don't think a board which price is this high cannot make 300 orders.
Even if it makes that quantity, I cannot handle it.
That's what I meant for "not realistic".
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Fri, 05 February 2016, 22:48:54
I've already sold a guitar and some of my mtg collection so I have money set aside to cover it even if it goes up :thumb:

I've got some comic books that add up to the cost of this that I've already listed to sell.



Also, I've figure out what I'd do with the left cluster: artisans.

I'd do things for this keyboard. Bad things.
Terrible, horrible, loathsome, beautiful things.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 05 February 2016, 22:52:53
When you say it's not realistic to reach an MOQ of 300, do you mean it's not realistic because you don't think you'll reach that, or not realistic because it's too much work for you?

Either way,
I don't think a board which price is this high cannot make 300 orders.
Even if it makes that quantity, I cannot handle it.
That's what I meant for "not realistic".

Wouldn't 300 orders being put into the shop lower the price a good amount?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:08:10
When you say it's not realistic to reach an MOQ of 300, do you mean it's not realistic because you don't think you'll reach that, or not realistic because it's too much work for you?

Either way,
I don't think a board which price is this high cannot make 300 orders.
Even if it makes that quantity, I cannot handle it.
That's what I meant for "not realistic".

Wouldn't 300 orders being put into the shop lower the price a good amount?

Most shop(if you mean factory) doesn't take 300 as good amount.
If there's a shop which take that is good amount, are saying a BIG BIG cost for produce.
I must find somewhere order-price matching factory but... it's not that simple.
Which I know when last time I got lucky to produce 30 of them in that "cheap" price.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:10:30
When you say it's not realistic to reach an MOQ of 300, do you mean it's not realistic because you don't think you'll reach that, or not realistic because it's too much work for you?

Either way,
I don't think a board which price is this high cannot make 300 orders.
Even if it makes that quantity, I cannot handle it.
That's what I meant for "not realistic".

Wouldn't 300 orders being put into the shop lower the price a good amount?

Most shop(if you mean factory) doesn't take 300 as good amount.
If there's a shop which take that is good amount, are saying a BIG BIG cost for produce.
I must find somewhere order-price matching factory but... it's not that simple.

Whatever you feel comfortable with. We don't want to make your experience with the western audience sour. Just do what you want, and enjoy your time here on geekhack!

Feel free to visit other threads. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:26:04
Or maybe he......

Show Image
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160206/240deaae27639904e4321d94edcab95b.jpg)


Reddit has ruined me :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HTN47 on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:36:20
I need this in my life!
 :cool: :cool:
Must get.....
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: clacktalk on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:37:16
is there a mechanism that keeps the two halves together when you're not using the ergo split? like a latch?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:41:04
When you say it's not realistic to reach an MOQ of 300, do you mean it's not realistic because you don't think you'll reach that, or not realistic because it's too much work for you?

Either way,
I don't think a board which price is this high cannot make 300 orders.
Even if it makes that quantity, I cannot handle it.
That's what I meant for "not realistic".

Wouldn't 300 orders being put into the shop lower the price a good amount?

I don't think people realize how unimaginably difficult a group buy of that magnitude would be. 30 would be already difficult enough.

It isn't just manufacturing MOQ and price wouldn't have been an issue for the project. There are so many different pieces that go into a keyboard buy like this.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:50:12
is there a mechanism that keeps the two halves together when you're not using the ergo split? like a latch?
No. but speaking of that, would a magnet (mediumish strength) work? Would be a cool little mod to figure out a latch or something.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:51:33
bump
A little announcement of what's going on. primarily price, tax related.
I updated OP.

The difference between the 400-450 up to 456 isn't that big of a bump. I'd say that that's a tiny bump even for the low-end. Good to figure out an accurate estimation and also possibly charge a bit more to give you some working room.

Additionally, lots of people want pre-soldered PCBs and I'm sure a few want pre soldered switches. If that would prevent the buy from happening I'm sure they would figure out how to source the soldering elsewhere or do it themselves (There's lots of trustworthy soldering services available right on GH!).

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:53:32
(There's lots of trustworthy soldering services available right on GH!).

Can't tell if this is a joke or not
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 05 February 2016, 23:55:14
(There's lots of trustworthy soldering services available right on GH!).

Can't tell if this is a joke or not
There is though. Granted, there's also plenty of shady people here too.

Whatever you do please don't be like kin25. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:02:59
is there a mechanism that keeps the two halves together when you're not using the ergo split? like a latch?
No. but speaking of that, would a magnet (mediumish strength) work? Would be a cool little mod to figure out a latch or something.
It's a little heavier than magnet can fix, (I didn't tried but hmm...)
Latch or magnet to fix will be great attraction feature if possible, but you have to think about price. more complex mechanism and parts need more money.
It's already high enough, I don't think any additional feature (which is not practical when using it) is necessary.
I have my standard about design, fixing it is not in the list. Keyboard is sit on the desk most of time.
And also I want this keyboard used in split form, with proper tented stand.
The idea about "transformable" is for design, attraction, and can be practical for those who trying to move over to the split-typing world.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:05:15
The difference between the 400-450 up to 456 isn't that big of a bump. I'd say that that's a tiny bump even for the low-end. Good to figure out an accurate estimation and also possibly charge a bit more to give you some working room.
You got that a little wrong.
What I meant for that range was

minimum 400 will be 456
maximum? it could be over 513.

That's a BIG number for just one board housing and PCB.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:05:22
is there a mechanism that keeps the two halves together when you're not using the ergo split? like a latch?
No. but speaking of that, would a magnet (mediumish strength) work? Would be a cool little mod to figure out a latch or something.
It's a little heavier than magnet can fix, (I didn't tried but hmm...)
Latch or magnet to fix will be great attraction feature if possible, but you have to think about price. more complex mechanism and parts need more money.
It's already high enough, I don't think any additional feature (which is not practical when using it) is necessary.
I have my standard about design, fixing it is not in the list. Keyboard is sit on the desk most of time.
And also I want this keyboard used in split form, with proper tented stand.
The idea about "transformable" is for design, attraction, and can be practical for those who trying to move over to the split-typing world.
Oh I definitely understand! I meant as a mod later after people already have them. But you're right about it not being too practical, since it'll be on the desk most of the time.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:07:43
The difference between the 400-450 up to 456 isn't that big of a bump. I'd say that that's a tiny bump even for the low-end. Good to figure out an accurate estimation and also possibly charge a bit more to give you some working room.
You got that a little wrong.
What I meant for that range was

minimum 400 will be 456
maximum? it could be over 513.

That's a BIG number for just one board housing and PCB.

That it is
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:13:18
The difference between the 400-450 up to 456 isn't that big of a bump. I'd say that that's a tiny bump even for the low-end. Good to figure out an accurate estimation and also possibly charge a bit more to give you some working room.
You got that a little wrong.
What I meant for that range was

minimum 400 will be 456
maximum? it could be over 513.

That's a BIG number for just one board housing and PCB.

Is the price because the split design doubles the individual parts in the kit?
That was something brought up when I was having a case designed for this.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:25:29
(There's lots of trustworthy soldering services available right on GH!).

Can't tell if this is a joke or not
There is though. Granted, there's also plenty of shady people here too.

Whatever you do please don't be like kin25. :)
Many Korean designer told me (including kin25) SMT is a must-in-feature when it goes global.
Hand soldering option can make the price and schedule not acceptable.
That's why I'm planning to go for SMT. it's a lot cheaper than hand-soldering and even more accurate.

But to be honest, I don't like SMT, I think it's not what custom keyboards should be, I feel ready-made from that.
Struggling to build is one of joy when it comes to hobby, -yes when it's affordable- soldering iron isn't that much. it's a little hard to learn how to solder little ICs, yet it's enjoyable.
but a few pieces of CNC work? no joke there, and also PCB. producing PCB is not that pricey but a bit hard to design since you need a bit of electronical knowledge background. That's why I share my PCB(Vergo type.T-II) outline design file on public. You can design your own PCB for VE.A.

Wow, I said a lot :) that could make some people uncomfortable.
GH is forum for custom keyboard discussion, So I think this is OK even in this thread which is -interesting check for keyboard kit-.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:27:42
Is the price because the split design doubles the individual parts in the kit?
That was something brought up when I was having a case designed for this.
yes it is, split, doubles CNC cost.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:31:54
Wow, I said a lot :) that could make some people uncomfortable.
GH is forum for custom keyboard discussion, So I think this is OK even in this thread which is -interesting check for keyboard kit-.

Haha to be fair anyone who spends this much on a keyboard should be equally or almost as nerdy as you are.
It's weird to spend so much money on something you don't understand.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:34:07
As far as price goes, as long as it stays under $700, I should be able to convince the wife to let me buy one. As for the SMT components, I have no problem soldering them. Means less work for you/your team. Just gives me something else to do for a little while!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 06 February 2016, 00:59:59
As far as price goes, as long as it stays under $700, I should be able to convince the wife to let me buy one. As for the SMT components, I have no problem soldering them. Means less work for you/your team. Just gives me something else to do for a little while!  :thumb:
I'm hoping for under 600
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sat, 06 February 2016, 01:06:29
As far as price goes, as long as it stays under $700, I should be able to convince the wife to let me buy one. As for the SMT components, I have no problem soldering them. Means less work for you/your team. Just gives me something else to do for a little while!  :thumb:
I'm hoping for under 600
As far as price goes, as long as it stays under $700, I should be able to convince the wife to let me buy one. As for the SMT components, I have no problem soldering them. Means less work for you/your team. Just gives me something else to do for a little while!  :thumb:

You've gone so far. I'll not doing this when it goes that high.
It's not just worth that much. I mean it.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: clacktalk on Sat, 06 February 2016, 01:10:16
I've already sold a guitar and some of my mtg collection so I have money set aside to cover it even if it goes up :thumb:

yo sell me some of your magic cards
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 06 February 2016, 01:32:54
Would you be willing to have extra PCBs made for people who'd rather just make their own case? And would these PCBs work with the old case files?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Sat, 06 February 2016, 01:36:33
As far as price goes, as long as it stays under $700, I should be able to convince the wife to let me buy one. As for the SMT components, I have no problem soldering them. Means less work for you/your team. Just gives me something else to do for a little while!  :thumb:
I'm hoping for under 600
As far as price goes, as long as it stays under $700, I should be able to convince the wife to let me buy one. As for the SMT components, I have no problem soldering them. Means less work for you/your team. Just gives me something else to do for a little while!  :thumb:

You've gone so far. I'll not doing this when it goes that high.
It's not just worth that much. I mean it.

I appreciate that thought. It is no secret that I am a big fan of this design and form-factor, and reasonable pricing will definitely be a major factor for many of us who would love to support VE.A, but have a limited budget.

Hopefully, this is still a realistic dream, and we will be able to share the passion for such a cool keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sat, 06 February 2016, 02:27:25
Would you be willing to have extra PCBs made for people who'd rather just make their own case? And would these PCBs work with the old case files?
No solid plan but if it helps, yes.
But old housing design is not fit with this PCB version.
I wish I can design acrylic case but I'm too busy recently.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: lashiel on Sat, 06 February 2016, 02:40:49
Hey Zefyr,

Love the board. I'm curious if the plate/PCB support a bottom row layout that doesn't have that 1u key in the bottom right (next to the split "space"). Based on your latest update to the OP, I'm assuming not, but I wanted to check.

Thanks so much for sharing your passion with us!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 06 February 2016, 02:55:31
I've already sold a guitar and some of my mtg collection so I have money set aside to cover it even if it goes up :thumb:

yo sell me some of your magic cards
I'm down to almost nothing.card wise these days
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sat, 06 February 2016, 03:23:05
Hey Zefyr,

Love the board. I'm curious if the plate/PCB support a bottom row layout that doesn't have that 1u key in the bottom right (next to the split "space"). Based on your latest update to the OP, I'm assuming not, but I wanted to check.

Thanks so much for sharing your passion with us!
No it deos not support other layout.
even if it does how can you get 3x bottom row keycap?
I designed that layout for ANSI 104+1.75 shift keyset coverage.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Sat, 06 February 2016, 03:35:40
I have a small request! Could you show us how the keyboard looks in a video?

I know it will still be a while before I will ever get a chance to see it, but a video would be great!

I would especially love to see how the LED glows between the middle. It's a great look, and thank you for your efforts in trying to make the pricing as reasonable as possible. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sat, 06 February 2016, 05:01:49
bump
Video added
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: azhdar on Sat, 06 February 2016, 05:09:44

  • No ISO layout support

I am sad now  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 06 February 2016, 05:36:04
bump
Video added

 :eek: :eek: :eek:

It's beautiful! Flow was so nice. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Sat, 06 February 2016, 05:38:51
bump
Video added

Thanks for the video! The frosted PC + LEDs work really well together. Looking forward to future updates on this. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Sat, 06 February 2016, 07:28:34
bump
Video added

Man, I love Wkl.kr's firmware.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Sat, 06 February 2016, 07:37:02
It's so beautiful.  :'(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Sat, 06 February 2016, 09:40:45
Looks like end game... Love the TAEYEON though.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Durvid on Sat, 06 February 2016, 13:21:31
Very interested! Am I correct in that there is no sign up list as of now?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Ail on Sat, 06 February 2016, 13:27:34
Looks like end game... Love the TAEYEON though.

It's definitely end game because if my g/f finds out how much I plan on spending on this, the game will definitely be over for me. RIP

Thanks for all of the effort pulling this together zefyr. Incredible keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 06 February 2016, 14:16:02
Interesting.  But will it fly as well?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 06 February 2016, 14:49:50
Looks like end game... Love the TAEYEON though.

this board is a beeeaauuuutaaaaaay
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Zeroo on Sat, 06 February 2016, 15:12:20
(https://media.giphy.com/media/it6W8D4FfvaPC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: munch on Sat, 06 February 2016, 17:58:08
is the case cut from 1 solid piece, or do you have to make it from 2 pieces to get it to work?
because CNC time would not double if you just do it from 1? or do edges need to be worked on differently due to the split maybe?
although because it's so many layers... I really don't know :p
curious about the design process for this one!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 06 February 2016, 18:59:54
That video!!  I love it.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: yuktsi on Sat, 06 February 2016, 22:59:15
Would you be willing to have extra PCBs made for people who'd rather just make their own case? And would these PCBs work with the old case files?
No solid plan but if it helps, yes.
But old housing design is not fit with this PCB version.
I wish I can design acrylic case but I'm too busy recently.
I can help with the design of acrylic case as long as the PCB layout drawing is available  :))
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 06 February 2016, 23:14:50
That video!!  I love it.  :D

?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HouseofSuffering on Sat, 06 February 2016, 23:19:18
I wanted this before the video.......

Now, I NEED it! And when you NEED something, that's a responsibility!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bocahgundul on Sat, 06 February 2016, 23:34:24
Its a beautyyy
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 06 February 2016, 23:36:40
That video!!  I love it.  :D

?

He added it in the OP :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 06 February 2016, 23:49:23
That video!!  I love it.  :D

?

He added it in the OP :)

I see it haha!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hellcatz on Sat, 06 February 2016, 23:52:42
Why not send the plans to a shop I the US? I'm sure you can find a trusted ghacker to help and partner up with. Prob be cheaper but can't say as I have no real experience in this sort of thing.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 06 February 2016, 23:54:16
Why not send the plans to a shop I the US? I'm sure you can find a trusted ghacker to help and partner up with. Prob be cheaper but can't say as I have no real experience in this sort of thing.

almost definitely would be more expensive. SK has much cheaper machining than the US as of now
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hellcatz on Sat, 06 February 2016, 23:55:51
Why not send the plans to a shop I the US? I'm sure you can find a trusted ghacker to help and partner up with. Prob be cheaper but can't say as I have no real experience in this sort of thing.

almost definitely would be more expensive. SK has much cheaper machining than the US as of now
Lol china then where build quality is a hit or miss or they will prob steal your design
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Sun, 07 February 2016, 00:32:26
Why not send the plans to a shop I the US? I'm sure you can find a trusted ghacker to help and partner up with. Prob be cheaper but can't say as I have no real experience in this sort of thing.

almost definitely would be more expensive. SK has much cheaper machining than the US as of now
Lol china then where build quality is a hit or miss or they will prob steal your design

Right... And unproven QC, definitely a bad idea.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Sun, 07 February 2016, 03:09:33
Looks like end game... Love the TAEYEON though.

It's definitely end game because if my g/f finds out how much I plan on spending on this, the game will definitely be over for me. RIP

Thanks for all of the effort pulling this together zefyr. Incredible keyboard.

75% layout  :thumb:
macros for csgo buys :thumb:
split :thumb:
korean :thumb:
destroys wallets :thumb:
aluminium :thumb:

Yup. Glad I can't buy it because my wallet would be RIP again.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sun, 07 February 2016, 03:39:43
Looks like end game... Love the TAEYEON though.

It's definitely end game because if my g/f finds out how much I plan on spending on this, the game will definitely be over for me. RIP

Thanks for all of the effort pulling this together zefyr. Incredible keyboard.

75% layout  :thumb:
macros for csgo buys :thumb:
split :thumb:
korean :thumb:
destroys wallets :thumb:
aluminium :thumb:

Yup. Glad I can't buy it because my wallet would be RIP again.
Do it anyway tbh
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 07 February 2016, 10:52:37
Looks like end game... Love the TAEYEON though.

It's definitely end game because if my g/f finds out how much I plan on spending on this, the game will definitely be over for me. RIP

Thanks for all of the effort pulling this together zefyr. Incredible keyboard.

75% layout - worst layout but can deal with it
macros for csgo buys - lame
split - yes
korean - who cares where it comes from
destroys wallets - worth it
aluminium - a must have

Yup. Glad I can't buy it because my wallet would be RIP again.

Fixed that for you :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FLFisherman on Sun, 07 February 2016, 10:56:53
Looks like end game... Love the TAEYEON though.

It's definitely end game because if my g/f finds out how much I plan on spending on this, the game will definitely be over for me. RIP

Thanks for all of the effort pulling this together zefyr. Incredible keyboard.

75% layout  :thumb:
macros for csgo buys :thumb:
split :thumb:
korean :thumb:
destroys wallets :thumb:
aluminium :thumb:

Yup. Glad I can't buy it because my wallet would be RIP again.
I like that you write "aluminium" instead of "aluminum." Ever since hearing that from a professor it has been my preferred pronunciation.

Also, why are Korean and aluminum keyboards so sought after?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Sun, 07 February 2016, 10:58:43
Looks like end game... Love the TAEYEON though.

It's definitely end game because if my g/f finds out how much I plan on spending on this, the game will definitely be over for me. RIP

Thanks for all of the effort pulling this together zefyr. Incredible keyboard.

75% layout  :thumb:
macros for csgo buys :thumb:
split :thumb:
korean :thumb:
destroys wallets :thumb:
aluminium :thumb:

Yup. Glad I can't buy it because my wallet would be RIP again.
I like that you write "aluminium" instead of "aluminum." Ever since hearing that from a professor it has been my preferred pronunciation.

Also, why are Korean and aluminum keyboards so sought after?

Korea is just where the fad originated, people are just wanting aluminum keyboards. Why wouldn't you want a solid board on your desk? Ever since I went with aluminum customs there is no chance I'm settling with anything else.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FLFisherman on Sun, 07 February 2016, 10:59:33
Looks like end game... Love the TAEYEON though.

It's definitely end game because if my g/f finds out how much I plan on spending on this, the game will definitely be over for me. RIP

Thanks for all of the effort pulling this together zefyr. Incredible keyboard.

75% layout  :thumb:
macros for csgo buys :thumb:
split :thumb:
korean :thumb:
destroys wallets :thumb:
aluminium :thumb:

Yup. Glad I can't buy it because my wallet would be RIP again.
I like that you write "aluminium" instead of "aluminum." Ever since hearing that from a professor it has been my preferred pronunciation.

Also, why are Korean and aluminum keyboards so sought after?

Korea is just where the fad originated, people are just wanting aluminum keyboards. Why wouldn't you want a solid board on your desk? Ever since I went with aluminum customs there is no chance I'm settling with anything else.
I suppose it's something one would have to try in order to find out for themselves. Thank you for the info!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 07 February 2016, 11:12:36
I like that you write "aluminium" instead of "aluminum." Ever since hearing that from a professor it has been my preferred pronunciation.

Also, why are Korean and aluminum keyboards so sought after?
:))
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Sun, 07 February 2016, 15:14:08
I'm not from the US so that's why :-*

although I do say sidewalk etc
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 07 February 2016, 15:22:08
Definitely interested. Your keyboards are beautiful zefyr.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 07 February 2016, 16:20:21
So long as the GB doesn't start until April or so, I should be able to buy one (presuming slot availability).

I just don't think I could manage anything sooner given the Vive's pre-order date is slated for the 29th.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 07 February 2016, 17:47:28
So long as the GB doesn't start until April or so, I should be able to buy one (presuming slot availability).

I just don't think I could manage anything sooner given the Vive's pre-order date is slated for the 29th.

I believe it was quoted to start late February.
Though maybe he will delay it further for planning considering he has expanded his order limit.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Sun, 07 February 2016, 18:12:58
So long as the GB doesn't start until April or so, I should be able to buy one (presuming slot availability).

I just don't think I could manage anything sooner given the Vive's pre-order date is slated for the 29th.

I believe it was quoted to start late February.
Though maybe he will delay it further for planning considering he has expanded his order limit.

When did he confirm the order limit was increased?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 07 February 2016, 18:17:37
So long as the GB doesn't start until April or so, I should be able to buy one (presuming slot availability).

I just don't think I could manage anything sooner given the Vive's pre-order date is slated for the 29th.

I believe it was quoted to start late February.
Though maybe he will delay it further for planning considering he has expanded his order limit.

When did he confirm the order limit was increased?

I actually have an option to make it. I can hire people.
As I mentioned before, my factory's capacity is big enough everyone.
It's just my packaging, checking, shipping time that I'm short of.

But,
In that another way, It cannot be the same thing it used be.
a limited, somewhat rare, hard-to-get. Somebody (including me) want that as "Feature" of a board.
If many people thinks like that, I have to limit quantity.

I'm struggling with myself. Rarity? Practical? where I should go on this way?
As I talked with some friends, my little wish is "anyone who types" should uses split-style keyboard. not just VE series.
If that time comes, I can get good product in decent price. right? To be honest here, VE series? too expensive, even for me.

So, how do you think guys?

Never actually confirmed
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Sun, 07 February 2016, 18:22:26
So long as the GB doesn't start until April or so, I should be able to buy one (presuming slot availability).

I just don't think I could manage anything sooner given the Vive's pre-order date is slated for the 29th.

I believe it was quoted to start late February.
Though maybe he will delay it further for planning considering he has expanded his order limit.

When did he confirm the order limit was increased?

I actually have an option to make it. I can hire people.
As I mentioned before, my factory's capacity is big enough everyone.
It's just my packaging, checking, shipping time that I'm short of.

But,
In that another way, It cannot be the same thing it used be.
a limited, somewhat rare, hard-to-get. Somebody (including me) want that as "Feature" of a board.
If many people thinks like that, I have to limit quantity.

I'm struggling with myself. Rarity? Practical? where I should go on this way?
As I talked with some friends, my little wish is "anyone who types" should uses split-style keyboard. not just VE series.
If that time comes, I can get good product in decent price. right? To be honest here, VE series? too expensive, even for me.

So, how do you think guys?

Never actually confirmed

Here's hoping!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: popkorn62 on Sun, 07 February 2016, 18:40:51
Hopefully I can get my hands on this beautiful board!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 07 February 2016, 19:32:59
So long as the GB doesn't start until April or so, I should be able to buy one (presuming slot availability).

I just don't think I could manage anything sooner given the Vive's pre-order date is slated for the 29th.

I believe it was quoted to start late February.
Though maybe he will delay it further for planning considering he has expanded his order limit.

Sheeeeiiiiiiiiiiiii-

Well, I guess we will have to see what happens.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: toxicdrift on Sun, 07 February 2016, 22:06:26
interested! will keep a watch on this for sure!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 07 February 2016, 22:22:59
So long as the GB doesn't start until April or so, I should be able to buy one (presuming slot availability).

I just don't think I could manage anything sooner given the Vive's pre-order date is slated for the 29th.

I believe it was quoted to start late February.
Though maybe he will delay it further for planning considering he has expanded his order limit.

When did he confirm the order limit was increased?

I actually have an option to make it. I can hire people.
As I mentioned before, my factory's capacity is big enough everyone.
It's just my packaging, checking, shipping time that I'm short of.

But,
In that another way, It cannot be the same thing it used be.
a limited, somewhat rare, hard-to-get. Somebody (including me) want that as "Feature" of a board.
If many people thinks like that, I have to limit quantity.

I'm struggling with myself. Rarity? Practical? where I should go on this way?
As I talked with some friends, my little wish is "anyone who types" should uses split-style keyboard. not just VE series.
If that time comes, I can get good product in decent price. right? To be honest here, VE series? too expensive, even for me.

So, how do you think guys?

Never actually confirmed

Here's hoping!

Pretty insane how popular this got. No surprise at the same time.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: CJD_Anthony on Sun, 07 February 2016, 23:20:14
Its crazy the more i lurk this thread..  The closer i am coming to considering this... Assuming this isnt an exclusive group buy
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 08 February 2016, 00:10:48
Its crazy the more i lurk this thread..  The closer i am coming to considering this... Assuming this isnt an exclusive group buy

Not so so "exclusive" as it is "limited".
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: CJD_Anthony on Mon, 08 February 2016, 00:17:46
Its crazy the more i lurk this thread..  The closer i am coming to considering this... Assuming this isnt an exclusive group buy

Not so so "exclusive" as it is "limited".

In that case, i doubt id be able to scrape up the $$ for it by the time this goes live for whatever short time it is available haha
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Wed, 10 February 2016, 06:14:32
been pretty quiet in here
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Wed, 10 February 2016, 07:49:13
NOT ANYMORE.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Wed, 10 February 2016, 09:10:11
I figured everyone was hoping it would stay quiet for awile  :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bocahgundul on Wed, 10 February 2016, 09:11:40
NOT ANYMORE.
Shhh quiet is better
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 10 February 2016, 09:13:56
I just figured that all the lurkers who posted here didn't have the retention to make more than one post before leaving.
Either that or we don't have anything new to talk about since even zefyr has gone quiet.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 10 February 2016, 09:18:04

I just figured that all the lurkers who posted here didn't have the retention to make more than one post before leaving.
Either that or we don't have anything new to talk about since even zefyr has gone quiet.

No need this.  I NEED IT
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Wed, 10 February 2016, 09:30:12
I just figured that all the lurkers who posted here didn't have the retention to make more than one post before leaving.
Either that or we don't have anything new to talk about since even zefyr has gone quiet.

I'm just waiting for the group buy. Have no more questions. I want this board.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 10 February 2016, 09:43:10
There hasn't been too much discussion on kbdlab as far as I can see.
I wonder what stage zefyr is on now.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WinterIsle on Wed, 10 February 2016, 10:10:45
It's still lunar new year or chinese new year holiday, just chill guys.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Wed, 10 February 2016, 10:11:37
I REFUSE TO CHILL!

#nochillhack
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 10 February 2016, 10:56:04
It's still lunar new year or chinese new year holiday, just chill guys.
I spoke with him about 2 days ago. This is the case. Chill out folks.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 10 February 2016, 10:57:44
We were already pretty chill o_o
I don't think anyone actually had any doubts.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 10 February 2016, 10:58:43
We need to chill harder! Where's the hammock?!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Wed, 10 February 2016, 15:25:15
It's monkey time, baby!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mason on Wed, 10 February 2016, 17:11:22
Plate mounted switches or PCB mounted switches?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Wed, 10 February 2016, 17:13:34
do they let monkeys loose on new years? because that would be dope! just enjoying your snack and bam! some monkey comes jumping at you to take your snack from your hands while you yell Happy New Years!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: yicaoyimu on Wed, 10 February 2016, 18:08:33
I NEED THIS SO BAD!! PLZ MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: whmeltonjr on Wed, 10 February 2016, 18:19:01
I'm not sure if I'm interested or not. Part of me doesn't get the craze with the split boards, but part of me also thinks this looks awesome. I'll follow for updates for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Wed, 10 February 2016, 19:41:55
Holiday over.
It was a long driving phew.....
You have no idea guys.
11 hours driving just for 400km... Hmm 250 miles? Not once, twice! in tree days!
Was a long and stressful driving.
I need some rest guys. Hehe.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: popkorn62 on Wed, 10 February 2016, 19:44:48

Holiday over.
It was a long driving phew.....
You have no idea guys.
11 hours driving just for 400km... Hmm 250 miles? Not once, twice! in tree days!
Was a long and stressful driving.
I need some rest guys. Hehe.

Take your time to rest before the big day xD. I can't wait for this!!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 10 February 2016, 20:24:20
Holiday over.
It was a long driving phew.....
You have no idea guys.
11 hours driving just for 400km... Hmm 250 miles? Not once, twice! in tree days!
Was a long and stressful driving.
I need some rest guys. Hehe.

That sounds miserable! Rest up!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Thu, 11 February 2016, 02:16:15
Happy Lunar New Year!

Did you visit some relatives? That's a really long drive.

Also I got a question, for the bottom row, can I choose to do something like 2.a?

(http://puu.sh/n3LJT/39ab4b4a71.png)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 11 February 2016, 02:38:57
Happy Lunar New Year!

Did you visit some relatives? That's a really long drive.

Also I got a question, for the bottom row, can I choose to do something like 2.a?

Show Image
(http://puu.sh/n3LJT/39ab4b4a71.png)

If you using Cherry MX, the mounting plate is universal.
You can choose your layout. 1-b, 2-a both available.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Thu, 11 February 2016, 03:52:37
What about for ALPS? I assume there's a restriction then?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 11 February 2016, 05:03:49
What about for ALPS? I assume there's a restriction then?

I believe you are not familiar with alps switches :)
If you want to use alps switches and stabilizers, you "should" make switch mount plate very specific. No optional placement is allowed.
So, when this GB starts, anyone want to use alps switches have to set(draw,fix whatever) their own layout and attach it on order.
And, that's why I charge more price for alps switch plate.

And for your question,
If you have proper keycaps, you can order whatever layout you want.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Thu, 11 February 2016, 12:45:25
I'm not sure if I'm interested or not. Part of me doesn't get the craze with the split boards, but part of me also thinks this looks awesome. I'll follow for updates for sure.

Suppose you can just push the two halves together? ^-^
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: derchar on Thu, 11 February 2016, 13:54:32
This is me expressing interest in this keyboard.  I'll buy one, given the chance.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WNovizar on Thu, 11 February 2016, 14:50:32
I'm really interested in this board, my cash is always ready for this board :p :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: yicaoyimu on Thu, 11 February 2016, 15:19:40
This keyboard is like the mechanical Korean custom version of what I'm currently using at work:

(http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/images/2008/Kinesis-Freestyle2-for-PC-91.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: BaconEggandCheeseBagel on Thu, 11 February 2016, 19:58:18
This keyboard is like the mechanical Korean custom version of what I'm currently using at work:

Show Image
(http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/images/2008/Kinesis-Freestyle2-for-PC-91.jpg)


What board is that?!?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Thu, 11 February 2016, 20:00:46
This keyboard is like the mechanical Korean custom version of what I'm currently using at work:

Show Image
(http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/images/2008/Kinesis-Freestyle2-for-PC-91.jpg)


What board is that?!?

Darude, "Sandstorm."
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: whmeltonjr on Thu, 11 February 2016, 20:01:17
I'm not sure if I'm interested or not. Part of me doesn't get the craze with the split boards, but part of me also thinks this looks awesome. I'll follow for updates for sure.

Suppose you can just push the two halves together? ^-^

Sure, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of this board? The cool factor is all in the fact that it splits.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Thu, 11 February 2016, 20:01:28
This keyboard is like the mechanical Korean custom version of what I'm currently using at work:

Show Image
(http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/images/2008/Kinesis-Freestyle2-for-PC-91.jpg)


What board is that?!?

http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/products/#keyboards-section
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: turboloser on Thu, 11 February 2016, 21:00:31
This keyboard is like the mechanical Korean custom version of what I'm currently using at work:

Show Image
(http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/images/2008/Kinesis-Freestyle2-for-PC-91.jpg)


What board is that?!?

Darude, "Sandstorm."

I would really, really, really like it if someone actually made a board or keyset with this name.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 11 February 2016, 22:26:41
This keyboard is like the mechanical Korean custom version of what I'm currently using at work:

Show Image
(http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/images/2008/Kinesis-Freestyle2-for-PC-91.jpg)


Actually, I have two FreeStyle.
When I design VE series, a adopted a lot features from it.
I wanted a mechanical keyboard, split, with similar layout.
Kinesis Freestyle is the best ready-made keyboard I have ever used.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Thu, 11 February 2016, 22:30:27
This keyboard is like the mechanical Korean custom version of what I'm currently using at work:

Show Image
(http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/images/2008/Kinesis-Freestyle2-for-PC-91.jpg)


Actually, I have two FreeStyle.
When I design VE series, a adopted a lot features from it.
I wanted a mechanical keyboard, split, with similar layout.
Kinesis Freestyle is the best ready-made keyboard I have ever used.

Have you ever tried an ErgoDox?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 11 February 2016, 22:34:33
Still so excited for this!  Going to be epic!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 11 February 2016, 22:37:53
This keyboard is like the mechanical Korean custom version of what I'm currently using at work:

Show Image
(http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/images/2008/Kinesis-Freestyle2-for-PC-91.jpg)


Actually, I have two FreeStyle.
When I design VE series, a adopted a lot features from it.
I wanted a mechanical keyboard, split, with similar layout.
Kinesis Freestyle is the best ready-made keyboard I have ever used.

Have you ever tried an ErgoDox?

No I didn't.
Layout is too much for me, I'm sure I cannot use any other keyboards after I adapted to Ergodox. that's why I didn't tried it.
It's near perfect. So afraid  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 12 February 2016, 00:53:37
http://shop.goldtouch.com/collections/ergonomic-keyboards/products/goldtouch-v2-adjustable-comfort-keyboard-pc-and-mac-compatible-usb

Good rubber dome equivalent.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Fri, 12 February 2016, 00:56:32
What about for ALPS? I assume there's a restriction then?

I believe you are not familiar with alps switches :)
If you want to use alps switches and stabilizers, you "should" make switch mount plate very specific. No optional placement is allowed.
So, when this GB starts, anyone want to use alps switches have to set(draw,fix whatever) their own layout and attach it on order.
And, that's why I charge more price for alps switch plate.

And for your question,
If you have proper keycaps, you can order whatever layout you want.

Ohh, good answer! I am definitely not that experienced with ALPS, I only understand that every single switch needs a specific switch-plate hole for it to work.

I really like your setup using AEK2 + M0116 keycaps. :thumb:

I think Apple makes the nicest ALPS keycaps out there. Do you have any other layout suggestion that is possible with Apple ALPS keycaps, or would the one you posted by the most optimal?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 12 February 2016, 02:47:14
What about for ALPS? I assume there's a restriction then?

I believe you are not familiar with alps switches :)
If you want to use alps switches and stabilizers, you "should" make switch mount plate very specific. No optional placement is allowed.
So, when this GB starts, anyone want to use alps switches have to set(draw,fix whatever) their own layout and attach it on order.
And, that's why I charge more price for alps switch plate.

And for your question,
If you have proper keycaps, you can order whatever layout you want.

Ohh, good answer! I am definitely not that experienced with ALPS, I only understand that every single switch needs a specific switch-plate hole for it to work.

I really like your setup using AEK2 + M0116 keycaps. :thumb:

I think Apple makes the nicest ALPS keycaps out there. Do you have any other layout suggestion that is possible with Apple ALPS keycaps, or would the one you posted by the most optimal?

It depends,
My layout is optimal for my typing style and key mapping. I use Winkey very often and Koreans uses right alt and ctrl as location shift key.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 12 February 2016, 06:03:36
A little news for alps people.
I was struggling with CapsLock switch for a long time.
Thanks for friends who motivated me, I solved the problem, and upcoming GB will includes new revision. (which is 0.3)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:29:31
A little news for alps people.
I was struggling with CapsLock switch for a long time.
Thanks for friends who motivated me, I solved the problem, and upcoming GB will includes new revision. (which is 0.3)

Awesome news :)

but who uses Caps Lock?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:51:22
A little news for alps people.
I was struggling with CapsLock switch for a long time.
Thanks for friends who motivated me, I solved the problem, and upcoming GB will includes new revision. (which is 0.3)

Awesome news :)

but who uses Caps Lock?

Me.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:53:05
A little news for alps people.
I was struggling with CapsLock switch for a long time.
Thanks for friends who motivated me, I solved the problem, and upcoming GB will includes new revision. (which is 0.3)

Awesome news :)

but who uses Caps Lock?

Damn that's a good question. I don't even use it when I spell my name. :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:59:30
I'm an alps user!
I don't use caps lock though. Except when I have to enter a zip code.
Glad to hear about the ongoing developments!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 12 February 2016, 08:57:11
Ah, you guys :)
OK, I'll explain the detail.

First, when I say CapsLock, it's "the switch in capslock position", since you know, it's custom keyboard.
You can map any key there, I use CapsLock/Fn Layer Dual Action key.
(You saw my video, I change LED mode with capslock + another key, when hit once, it's caps lock, when typed with another key, it's Fn layer key. simple and useful.)
Somebody uses the position as Ctrl, (like HHKB)
So, it's not about key "function" , it's "position" matter.

When it comes to alps, position -REALLY- matters. Because of slim keycap choice option.
And CapsLock, Row3 1.75u Keycap.
Vintage CherryMX stem position is 1.25u (stepped capslock keycap), OEM MX stem position is 1.75u.
At this point, no problem.
But additional vintage Alps keycaps like AT101, SGI the stem makes it a lot complicated, it's at "1.5u" position.

It's not a problem if Vergo type.T-II PCB is designed only for Alps and another version of MX.
But it is combo-compatible. So yes, really is a problem.
When you place 1.25 MX + 1.25 Alps + 1.5 Alps + 1.75 MX + 1.75 Alps for one switch, the pads stick together in one big chunk of pad. 1.5 Alps pads makes bridge of all pads. So, it cannot be "switch".
Anyway, I just cracked this problem out. not delicate but yeh, it will works.
It looks like this.
(http://i.imgur.com/NwTRWwi.png)

This can be a good news for those who planned to use AT101 keycaps for this PCB.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 12 February 2016, 09:07:00
Wow that PCB section is intense.
It's a good thing that alps doesn't have legs like cherry does or it would probably have been impossible to make that work.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 12 February 2016, 11:33:52
Have you ever tried an ErgoDox?

No I didn't.
Layout is too much for me, I'm sure I cannot use any other keyboards after I adapted to Ergodox. that's why I didn't tried it.
It's near perfect. So afraid  :-[

I agree, that is why I used and then abandoned the ErgoDox as my work didn't allow me to always carry a mech board with me and had to use my laptop's keyboard and the different layout just screwed up my typing. This is why I started the TS65 project, coincidentally, quite similar to yours:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79161 (Shameless plug :P)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Fri, 12 February 2016, 12:00:29
Ah, you guys :)
OK, I'll explain the detail.

First, when I say CapsLock, it's "the switch in capslock position", since you know, it's custom keyboard.
You can map any key there, I use CapsLock/Fn Layer Dual Action key.
(You saw my video, I change LED mode with capslock + another key, when hit once, it's caps lock, when typed with another key, it's Fn layer key. simple and useful.)
Somebody uses the position as Ctrl, (like HHKB)
So, it's not about key "function" , it's "position" matter.

When it comes to alps, position -REALLY- matters. Because of slim keycap choice option.
And CapsLock, Row3 1.75u Keycap.
Vintage CherryMX stem position is 1.25u (stepped capslock keycap), OEM MX stem position is 1.75u.
At this point, no problem.
But additional vintage Alps keycaps like AT101, SGI the stem makes it a lot complicated, it's at "1.5u" position.

It's not a problem if Vergo type.T-II PCB is designed only for Alps and another version of MX.
But it is combo-compatible. So yes, really is a problem.
When you place 1.25 MX + 1.25 Alps + 1.5 Alps + 1.75 MX + 1.75 Alps for one switch, the pads stick together in one big chunk of pad. 1.5 Alps pads makes bridge of all pads. So, it cannot be "switch".
Anyway, I just cracked this problem out. not delicate but yeh, it will works.
It looks like this.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NwTRWwi.png)


This can be a good news for those who planned to use AT101 keycaps for this PCB.

So will we be able to mix MX and ALPS?
If so that's awesome.
I thought they would need separate plates?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 12 February 2016, 12:08:22
Have you ever tried an ErgoDox?

No I didn't.
Layout is too much for me, I'm sure I cannot use any other keyboards after I adapted to Ergodox. that's why I didn't tried it.
It's near perfect. So afraid  :-[

I agree, that is why I used and then abandoned the ErgoDox as my work didn't allow me to always carry a mech board with me and had to use my laptop's keyboard and the different layout just screwed up my typing. This is why I started the TS65 project, coincidentally, quite similar to yours:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79161 (Shameless plug :P)

I'm watching TS65 thread, it's amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 12 February 2016, 12:09:15
Ah, you guys :)
OK, I'll explain the detail.

First, when I say CapsLock, it's "the switch in capslock position", since you know, it's custom keyboard.
You can map any key there, I use CapsLock/Fn Layer Dual Action key.
(You saw my video, I change LED mode with capslock + another key, when hit once, it's caps lock, when typed with another key, it's Fn layer key. simple and useful.)
Somebody uses the position as Ctrl, (like HHKB)
So, it's not about key "function" , it's "position" matter.

When it comes to alps, position -REALLY- matters. Because of slim keycap choice option.
And CapsLock, Row3 1.75u Keycap.
Vintage CherryMX stem position is 1.25u (stepped capslock keycap), OEM MX stem position is 1.75u.
At this point, no problem.
But additional vintage Alps keycaps like AT101, SGI the stem makes it a lot complicated, it's at "1.5u" position.

It's not a problem if Vergo type.T-II PCB is designed only for Alps and another version of MX.
But it is combo-compatible. So yes, really is a problem.
When you place 1.25 MX + 1.25 Alps + 1.5 Alps + 1.75 MX + 1.75 Alps for one switch, the pads stick together in one big chunk of pad. 1.5 Alps pads makes bridge of all pads. So, it cannot be "switch".
Anyway, I just cracked this problem out. not delicate but yeh, it will works.
It looks like this.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NwTRWwi.png)


This can be a good news for those who planned to use AT101 keycaps for this PCB.

So will we be able to mix MX and ALPS?
If so that's awesome.
I thought they would need separate plates?
Yes exactly, custom-custom plate needed.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 12 February 2016, 12:09:35
The pcb will be able to use both MX and ALPS.
However, due to limitations with how alps switches are mounted, the plates will not be universal.

Alps switches are plate mount only and do not have anything underneath them that allows them to be fixed to the PCB directly unlike MX switches.
This means that alps switches must have very discrete mounting positions in order to have adequate stability.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: deduction on Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:17:07
Ah, you guys :)
OK, I'll explain the detail.

First, when I say CapsLock, it's "the switch in capslock position", since you know, it's custom keyboard.
You can map any key there, I use CapsLock/Fn Layer Dual Action key.
(You saw my video, I change LED mode with capslock + another key, when hit once, it's caps lock, when typed with another key, it's Fn layer key. simple and useful.)
Somebody uses the position as Ctrl, (like HHKB)
So, it's not about key "function" , it's "position" matter.

When it comes to alps, position -REALLY- matters. Because of slim keycap choice option.
And CapsLock, Row3 1.75u Keycap.
Vintage CherryMX stem position is 1.25u (stepped capslock keycap), OEM MX stem position is 1.75u.
At this point, no problem.
But additional vintage Alps keycaps like AT101, SGI the stem makes it a lot complicated, it's at "1.5u" position.

It's not a problem if Vergo type.T-II PCB is designed only for Alps and another version of MX.
But it is combo-compatible. So yes, really is a problem.
When you place 1.25 MX + 1.25 Alps + 1.5 Alps + 1.75 MX + 1.75 Alps for one switch, the pads stick together in one big chunk of pad. 1.5 Alps pads makes bridge of all pads. So, it cannot be "switch".
Anyway, I just cracked this problem out. not delicate but yeh, it will works.
It looks like this.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NwTRWwi.png)


This can be a good news for those who planned to use AT101 keycaps for this PCB.

This is flippin awesome.  Great problem solving, and it will be awesome for buyers to have the flexibility that this design allows.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:28:32
Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:31:46
Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:32:34
Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

was getting a little sick of it haha.  Maybe i'll pick somethign new soon
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:50:19
Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

was getting a little sick of it haha.  Maybe i'll pick somethign new soon

No avatar club!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: toidbb on Fri, 12 February 2016, 13:57:18

Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

was getting a little sick of it haha.  Maybe i'll pick somethign new soon

No avatar club!

But there is an avatar for having no avatar.... It might as well be club default avatar.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 12 February 2016, 14:40:40


Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

was getting a little sick of it haha.  Maybe i'll pick somethign new soon

No avatar club!

But there is an avatar for having no avatar.... It might as well be club default avatar.

You're not in it !
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 12 February 2016, 14:40:58


Man this is the best thing ever made.  I need it still

No avatar?

was getting a little sick of it haha.  Maybe i'll pick somethign new soon

No avatar club!

But there is an avatar for having no avatar.... It might as well be club default avatar.

You're not in it !
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Fri, 12 February 2016, 19:06:16
This keyboard is like the mechanical Korean custom version of what I'm currently using at work:

Show Image
(http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/images/2008/Kinesis-Freestyle2-for-PC-91.jpg)


Actually, I have two FreeStyle.
When I design VE series, a adopted a lot features from it.
I wanted a mechanical keyboard, split, with similar layout.
Kinesis Freestyle is the best ready-made keyboard I have ever used.

Have you ever tried an ErgoDox?

No I didn't.
Layout is too much for me, I'm sure I cannot use any other keyboards after I adapted to Ergodox. that's why I didn't tried it.
It's near perfect. So afraid  :-[
As someone who used an ergodox briefly (a friend of mine owns/built it) it's super easy to transfer between it and regular boards! The only difficulty is pressing spacebar when you meant to hit backspace, once you've gotten used to the ergodox. Other than that, it's a really easy board to learn/use!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 13 February 2016, 12:19:12
still dreaming about this.  So sexy :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bocahgundul on Sun, 14 February 2016, 05:44:56
I don't know man after watching that video I need to join this Gb when its up  :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Mon, 15 February 2016, 01:06:35
hi keyboard free for all
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 15 February 2016, 01:29:05
Yeah I need this board I would 100% join if this GB is open for everybody else!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Mon, 15 February 2016, 01:40:47
Yeah I need this board I would 100% join if this GB is open for everybody else!

Just dont steal mine Pepe franku
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 15 February 2016, 01:50:46
Yeah I need this board I would 100% join if this GB is open for everybody else!

Just dont steal mine Pepe franku
papa franku gonna steal all yo board!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:21:02
My team is planning GB after holiday.
At this time, not much change from previous plan, but limitation of quantity can be much higher.
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
We have only few(but big) things to settle or solve.
Now, the biggist issue is
Money-collecting...  some friends warned me, my PP account can be locked when I try to withdraw certain amount money from it.
And to unlock that I have to send shipping receipt or something to PP as proof of transaction. but you know, I cannot do that.
I must pay factories for production before I get product. So, no shipping receipt...
I have no idea how I can fix this problem.
Any suggestion?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:22:42
Glad to hear there will be more made :thumb:

Hopefully someone can come up with a solution to the money collecting situation
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:29:52
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
This cracked me up!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:32:41
My team is planning GB after holiday.
At this time, not much change from previous plan, but limitation of quantity can be much higher.
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
We have only few(but big) things to settle or solve.
Now, the biggist issue is
Money-collecting...  some friends warned me, my PP account can be locked when I try to withdraw certain amount money from it.
And to unlock that I have to send shipping receipt or something to PP as proof of transaction. but you know, I cannot do that.
I must pay factories for production before I get product. So, no shipping receipt...
I have no idea how I can fix this problem.
Any suggestion?
yes yes yes bro! 100 board yes!

I think you could use a method that ctrl alt io uses?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:45:03
My team is planning GB after holiday.
At this time, not much change from previous plan, but limitation of quantity can be much higher.
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
We have only few(but big) things to settle or solve.
Now, the biggist issue is
Money-collecting...  some friends warned me, my PP account can be locked when I try to withdraw certain amount money from it.
And to unlock that I have to send shipping receipt or something to PP as proof of transaction. but you know, I cannot do that.
I must pay factories for production before I get product. So, no shipping receipt...
I have no idea how I can fix this problem.
Any suggestion?

I think setting up a site with something like stripe for payments would be the solution
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:48:33
There is an option for extra pcb and plate right? if not its ok tho
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: logomachy on Mon, 15 February 2016, 02:56:50
...
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
...
This is great news.
I reckon this will grant a window of five minutes (up from five seconds) before orders are closed.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HouseofSuffering on Mon, 15 February 2016, 03:04:17
Bitcoin? Hahahha then everyone will be scrambling trying to figure out how to get some.....meanwhile, I will get a board for sure! Hahahah
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 15 February 2016, 05:32:08
I think you could use a method that ctrl alt io uses?

I think setting up a site with something like stripe for payments would be the solution

Setting up a web-site is good solution.
Man... I have to program website at home too!
I program website all day at work.  :'(
Hmm... option is just an option :) I'll think about it.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: BaconEggandCheeseBagel on Mon, 15 February 2016, 08:10:02
Zefyr, I'd echo what swimmingbird is saying - you could just use one of those pre-built sites and just modify it for taking orders. Shouldn't be that big of  a pain. That being said - I completely understand the frustration of never getting to leave work at... work!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 15 February 2016, 08:35:50
Good to hear updates!  I seriously love this board. It is amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 15 February 2016, 10:41:07
My team is planning GB after holiday.
At this time, not much change from previous plan, but limitation of quantity can be much higher.
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
We have only few(but big) things to settle or solve.
Now, the biggist issue is
Money-collecting...  some friends warned me, my PP account can be locked when I try to withdraw certain amount money from it.
And to unlock that I have to send shipping receipt or something to PP as proof of transaction. but you know, I cannot do that.
I must pay factories for production before I get product. So, no shipping receipt...
I have no idea how I can fix this problem.
Any suggestion?

I believe if you contact Paypal and notify them about your plans should solve the problem. I think they freeze accounts when there is an unexpected influx of money coming in.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: sairex on Mon, 15 February 2016, 12:16:16
Really interested in this. Thanks for all your work, zefyr!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:44:40
My team is planning GB after holiday.
At this time, not much change from previous plan, but limitation of quantity can be much higher.
We expect limit can be raised up to three digits. (100, not 999)
We have only few(but big) things to settle or solve.
Now, the biggist issue is
Money-collecting...  some friends warned me, my PP account can be locked when I try to withdraw certain amount money from it.
And to unlock that I have to send shipping receipt or something to PP as proof of transaction. but you know, I cannot do that.
I must pay factories for production before I get product. So, no shipping receipt...
I have no idea how I can fix this problem.
Any suggestion?
Google wallet should work. After some legwork, google wallet requires a US bank account too. :(

To everyone echoing stripe - it's not launched in SK yet.

Zefyr - After holiday meaning after march 1? So excited!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:46:34
So, sorry if this already got answered, but will there be an option to just buy a PCB?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: xondat on Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:10:12
So, sorry if this already got answered, but will there be an option to just buy a PCB?

IIRC you can buy more than 1 but not only a PCB.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 16 February 2016, 00:37:21
Thanks for all advices :)
I'll check PP for this issue and step ahead.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 16 February 2016, 00:37:50
So, sorry if this already got answered, but will there be an option to just buy a PCB?
No solid plan yet.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hexterdude on Tue, 16 February 2016, 00:38:14
Can't wait to see who get's on the list of jebus and gets a chance to get on of these dank keyboards :D
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 16 February 2016, 01:46:00
I just called PayPal customer center and got very disappointing answer for my issue.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Question :
I changed by PP account to business account, and I will send invoices amount of 400~450USD for 100 peoples within 7 days.
I'll withdraw whole money in once.
My friends warned me PP will lock my account, so I cannot withdraw money. PP will release my account after I send proof of transaction of goods like shipping tracking number.
In this case, I have to pay factory for production. So, no goods nor shipping tracking number, I'll be dead-locked.
Is there any way to prevent this situation?

Answer :
No.
If you want use PP for business, you must have seed-money for production.
For example if you want to sell 70USD worth of goods, your seed money have to be over 200USD.

Question :
What you are saying is PP cannot be used for funding?
I must have actual merchandise before sending invoice?

Answer :
PP cannot be used for funding purpose.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Is this true???????????????????????
What's the point about business account than??????????
Damn, I'm so angry now.

Man... what should I do now...

Can I sell "GroupBuy Entry Certification" as a electronic-goods?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Tue, 16 February 2016, 01:53:49
I just called PayPal customer center and got very disappointing answer for my issue.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Question :
I changed by PP account to business account, and I will send invoices amount of 400~450USD for 100 peoples within 7 days.
I'll withdraw whole money in once.
My friends warned me PP will lock my account, so I cannot withdraw money. PP will release my account after I send proof of transaction of goods like shipping tracking number.
In this case, I have to pay factory for production. So, no goods nor shipping tracking number, I'll be dead-locked.
Is there any way to prevent this situation?

Answer :
No.
If you want use PP for business, you must have seed-money for production.
For example if you want to sell 70USD worth of goods, your seed money have to be over 200USD.

Question :
What you are saying is PP cannot be used for funding?
I must have actual merchandise before sending invoice?

Answer :
PP cannot be used for funding purpose.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Is this true???????????????????????
What's the point about business account than??????????
Damn, I'm so angry now.

Man... what should I do now...

Can I sell "GroupBuy Entry Certification" as a electronic-goods?

https://deskthority.net/off-topic-f10/how-to-collect-money-with-paypal-and-avoid-problems-t7312.html

The important part, repeated here:

Only accept money paid for a service. This is really important. Reject any payments that are marked as being paid for purchased goods. If you look in PayPal at the transaction and see a drop-down list where you can mark the payment as shipped, reject the payment.

IMO, as a service is a perfectly accurate description of what you are offering (service as go-between for manufacturer and consumer), so paypal shouldn't have any issue with this.

Alternatively, use bitcoin for this... but give people some time to gather the bitcoin before announcing it.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zennasyndroxx on Tue, 16 February 2016, 02:02:51
even then, selling the bitcoins could be an issue. depending on where you're from i guess.

what about sites like gofundme or kickstarter?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Tue, 16 February 2016, 02:04:10
even then, selling the bitcoins could be an issue. depending on where you're from i guess.

what about sites like gofundme or kickstarter?

Both are the same, they will paypal you money. Paypal sees large incoming funds, paypal will kneejerk. Google 'paypal kickstarter freeze' or whatever to see some examples. Looks like kickstarter switched to stripe, which is unfortunately not supported in SK.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: yuktsi on Tue, 16 February 2016, 02:13:27
I just called PayPal customer center and got very disappointing answer for my issue.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Question :
I changed by PP account to business account, and I will send invoices amount of 400~450USD for 100 peoples within 7 days.
I'll withdraw whole money in once.
My friends warned me PP will lock my account, so I cannot withdraw money. PP will release my account after I send proof of transaction of goods like shipping tracking number.
In this case, I have to pay factory for production. So, no goods nor shipping tracking number, I'll be dead-locked.
Is there any way to prevent this situation?

Answer :
No.
If you want use PP for business, you must have seed-money for production.
For example if you want to sell 70USD worth of goods, your seed money have to be over 200USD.

Question :
What you are saying is PP cannot be used for funding?
I must have actual merchandise before sending invoice?

Answer :
PP cannot be used for funding purpose.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Is this true???????????????????????
What's the point about business account than??????????
Damn, I'm so angry now.

Man... what should I do now...

Can I sell "GroupBuy Entry Certification" as a electronic-goods?

I had experience in handling ~30*$400+ orders. And i had no problem with the money withdraw. When then incoming fund reaches certain limit, paypal will prompt you to submit your personal details... to get your account verified or something. Sometimes paypal will also call you to ask about the transactions and also to offer you a better paypal rate for the following month.

Perhaps you can send out the invoices by stages. Let me know if you need any help with running the groupbuy.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 16 February 2016, 02:24:04
I had experience in handling ~30*$400+ orders. And i had no problem with the money withdraw. When then incoming fund reaches certain limit, paypal will prompt you to submit your personal details... to get your account verified or something. Sometimes paypal will also call you to ask about the transactions and also to offer you a better paypal rate for the following month.

Perhaps you can send out the invoices by stages. Let me know if you need any help with running the groupbuy.

Stage method sounds right for me.
Thanks my friend.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 16 February 2016, 02:25:11
https://deskthority.net/off-topic-f10/how-to-collect-money-with-paypal-and-avoid-problems-t7312.html

The important part, repeated here:

Only accept money paid for a service. This is really important. Reject any payments that are marked as being paid for purchased goods. If you look in PayPal at the transaction and see a drop-down list where you can mark the payment as shipped, reject the payment.

Thanks!
it's a big help!
"payment for service", I'll check on that!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: flopix on Tue, 16 February 2016, 03:21:48
https://deskthority.net/off-topic-f10/how-to-collect-money-with-paypal-and-avoid-problems-t7312.html

The important part, repeated here:

Only accept money paid for a service. This is really important. Reject any payments that are marked as being paid for purchased goods. If you look in PayPal at the transaction and see a drop-down list where you can mark the payment as shipped, reject the payment.

I participated in a GB a while ago (HKP if I'm not mistaking) that had this way of processing payments. Alternatively, you can do what 7bit does for switches: Get other people to collect with e.g. google wallet and transfer the money to you.

Thanks!
it's a big help!
"payment for service", I'll check on that!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 16 February 2016, 13:08:03
There has been a pot of progress since I last checked this thread!
I'm glad that the group buy has become larger so I might be able to get in.
Maybe I should turn on notifications for this thread.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mason on Tue, 16 February 2016, 13:41:45
Sorry for asking again, but does this use PCB or Plate mounted switches?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 16 February 2016, 13:43:05
man everyday without VE.A is not as good as it could be.  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: joey on Tue, 16 February 2016, 13:44:44
Sorry for asking again, but does this use PCB or Plate mounted switches?
The PCB has the mounting holes, so you can use either.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 16 February 2016, 13:57:45
Sorry for asking again, but does this use PCB or Plate mounted switches?

You may use plate or PCB mounted switch housings, but due to limitations with the housing you must mount the switches on the plate.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Azzures on Wed, 17 February 2016, 03:59:30
This looks great, can I still get in on this?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 17 February 2016, 06:02:27
This looks great, can I still get in on this?

Sale period hasn't started yet
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Azzures on Wed, 17 February 2016, 11:37:00
This looks great, can I still get in on this?

Sale period hasn't started yet

Ok cool, guess I'll just keep an eye on this thread than. Thanks :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sun, 28 February 2016, 01:18:40
Announcement from VE.A team.

We are setting up GB in official form.
We established company to make sure about tax and money related issues and etc.
Still it's rather a gathering of hobbiest than a coperation.
If things going with schedule. We can open GB within a month.
It's a little late than I said earlier but I really want to make this thing right, so nobody who interested wouldn't be left unattended.
Thanks for waiting geeks.
Really appriciated. ;)

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 28 February 2016, 01:19:36
Thanks for the update!

Can't wait :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 28 February 2016, 01:19:43
Announcement from VE.A team.

We are setting up GB in official form.
We established company to make sure about tax and money related issues and etc.
Still it's rather a gathering of hobbiest than a copration.
If things going with schedule. We can open GB within a month.
It's a little late than I said earlier but I really want to make this thing right, so nobody who interested wouldn't be left unattended.
Thanks for waiting geeks.
Really appriciated. ;)

nice!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: popkorn62 on Sun, 28 February 2016, 01:26:25

Announcement from VE.A team.

We are setting up GB in official form.
We established company to make sure about tax and money related issues and etc.
Still it's rather a gathering of hobbiest than a coperation.
If things going with schedule. We can open GB within a month.
It's a little late than I said earlier but I really want to make this thing right, so nobody who interested wouldn't be left unattended.
Thanks for waiting geeks.
Really appriciated. ;)

Yayyyy
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hexterdude on Sun, 28 February 2016, 01:27:29
My body has been ready for this GB since you first posted  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Azzures on Sun, 28 February 2016, 01:45:51
Amazing! I'm so excited!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Sun, 28 February 2016, 08:01:16
Beautiful!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Sun, 28 February 2016, 08:49:49
ITS HAPPENINGGGGG. Time to use that sweet tax return money
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vittra on Sun, 28 February 2016, 09:06:57
Thanks for the update zefyr!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Durvid on Sun, 28 February 2016, 20:34:00
Hype is building..
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Sun, 28 February 2016, 20:35:30
inb4 half don't pay their invoices
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 28 February 2016, 20:56:36
inb4 half don't pay their invoices

lol only half?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Sun, 28 February 2016, 21:08:17
inb4 half don't pay their invoices

lol only half?

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Jin on Sun, 28 February 2016, 21:16:18
Super interested. Hope you can make a GB faster
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Sun, 28 February 2016, 21:43:55
Can't wait.
If you are setting up a company and you're exporting do you still need to pay sales tax? Most countries don't charge sales tax for goods they are exporting.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 29 February 2016, 05:13:07
Can't wait.
If you are setting up a company and you're exporting do you still need to pay sales tax? Most countries don't charge sales tax for goods they are exporting.
As I know, part of taxes will be returned after reporting sales detail.
We are learning how to report our sales to tax office.
Man, nothing is easy :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Mon, 29 February 2016, 05:15:36
Thanks for checking. Good luck hope it works out :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Mon, 29 February 2016, 14:43:02
Wow, this is really cool.

Interested, but I doubt I will make the cut.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: yicaoyimu on Mon, 29 February 2016, 15:21:20
Can't wait for more details on this buy, especially color options. I will most likely go for black though.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:10:07
Can't wait for more details on this buy, especially color options. I will most likely go for black though.

It's already almost fixed.
Color option will be Black/Silver/DarkGrey.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dohbot on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:12:29
I'll probably go for silver. This is gonna be a fun and cool GB!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:15:28
Black for me. All those sexy pics of the board in the dark just make it seem like black is the perfect pick.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:20:49
+1 for black~ looks like silver will cause too much light bouncyness for me
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:24:07
Dark Grey. Loved the way the color looked on my digilog, can't even handle how sexy it will look on this board.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:25:24
Dark Grey. Loved the way the color looked on my digilog, can't even handle how sexy it will look on this board.
Isn't the Digilog more of a brown, though? At least, that's how looks in most pics.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:27:26
Dark Grey. Loved the way the color looked on my digilog, can't even handle how sexy it will look on this board.
Isn't the Digilog more of a brown, though? At least, that's how looks in most pics.

I never noticed a brown tint on mine.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:46:46
Too bad. I would have been in for some green, if there were any...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:50:01
Silver All the way!  Well maybe dark grey :)

(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/402/258/003/d53bb1411914bbb15b86a6ae44873fd9.jpg)
source (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3258402&mid=board_Lsno50)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:55:37
Silver All the way!  Well maybe dark grey :)

Show Image
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/402/258/003/d53bb1411914bbb15b86a6ae44873fd9.jpg)

source (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3258402&mid=board_Lsno50)

Gorgeous pics, thank you for the link
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 29 February 2016, 21:04:10
Silver All the way!  Well maybe dark grey :)

Show Image
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/402/258/003/d53bb1411914bbb15b86a6ae44873fd9.jpg)

source (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3258402&mid=board_Lsno50)

That switch mounting plate is Titanium-coated version.
Neat, isn't it?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 29 February 2016, 21:05:23
Silver All the way!  Well maybe dark grey :)

Show Image
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/340/402/258/003/d53bb1411914bbb15b86a6ae44873fd9.jpg)

source (http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=3258402&mid=board_Lsno50)

That switch mounting plate is Titanium-coated version.
Neat, isn't it?

It is very cool!  Hope to get a board soon!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Mon, 29 February 2016, 21:06:28
Glad to hear the updates, thank you. Once you get everything setup, it'll be easier to do future group buys if you have more ideas. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HouseofSuffering on Mon, 29 February 2016, 21:20:20
Can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ccc24 on Mon, 29 February 2016, 22:16:36
any idea on how many spots there will be for the GB?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 29 February 2016, 22:32:54
any idea on how many spots there will be for the GB?

Unlimited.
If things goes really well.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Mon, 29 February 2016, 22:32:54
any idea on how many spots there will be for the GB?

Unlimited.
If things goes really well.


omg!!!!! that's amazing news.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Mon, 29 February 2016, 22:49:23
any idea on how many spots there will be for the GB?

Unlimited.
If things goes really well.

Hwhat?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:15:18
any idea on how many spots there will be for the GB?

Unlimited.
If things goes really well.

What's the price looking at? If there is a lot of orders I hope it could be around $300.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: whmeltonjr on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:18:16
any idea on how many spots there will be for the GB?

Unlimited.
If things goes really well.

What's the price looking at? If there is a lot of orders I hope it could be around $300.

I would buy one at $300 for sure, and I still don't even know how I feel about a split layout.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hexterdude on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:19:31
any idea on how many spots there will be for the GB?

Unlimited.
If things goes really well.

What's the price looking at? If there is a lot of orders I hope it could be around $300.

if its $300 i'd definitely buy it
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: toidbb on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:23:22

I would buy one at $300 for sure, and I still don't even know how I feel about a split layout.

Well the beauty of this one is that if you do not want to use it split, it fits perfectly together, to use as a regular keyboard even if it defeats the purpose.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: whmeltonjr on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:26:00

I would buy one at $300 for sure, and I still don't even know how I feel about a split layout.

Well the beauty of this one is that if you do not want to use it split, it fits perfectly together, to use as a regular keyboard even if it defeats the purpose.

I wouldn't care about defeating the purpose at $300. That being said, no way this board is only $300.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:26:39

I would buy one at $300 for sure, and I still don't even know how I feel about a split layout.

Well the beauty of this one is that if you do not want to use it split, it fits perfectly together, to use as a regular keyboard even if it defeats the purpose.

I wouldn't care about defeating the purpose at $300. That being said, no way this board is only $300.

My guess is $500 but we will see.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:27:19

I would buy one at $300 for sure, and I still don't even know how I feel about a split layout.

Well the beauty of this one is that if you do not want to use it split, it fits perfectly together, to use as a regular keyboard even if it defeats the purpose.

Are the feet swappable? Meaning can you place them at different edges?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:28:15

I would buy one at $300 for sure, and I still don't even know how I feel about a split layout.

Well the beauty of this one is that if you do not want to use it split, it fits perfectly together, to use as a regular keyboard even if it defeats the purpose.

I wouldn't care about defeating the purpose at $300. That being said, no way this board is only $300.

IIRC the original GB went for ~$420 or so. Given the large increase in quantity it should definitely lower the price. It's a great custom don't get me wrong, but not one that I would be willing to pay $400+ for at this point.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: whmeltonjr on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:30:25

I would buy one at $300 for sure, and I still don't even know how I feel about a split layout.

Well the beauty of this one is that if you do not want to use it split, it fits perfectly together, to use as a regular keyboard even if it defeats the purpose.

I wouldn't care about defeating the purpose at $300. That being said, no way this board is only $300.

IIRC the original GB went for ~$420 or so. Given the large increase in quantity it should definitely lower the price. It's a great custom don't get me wrong, but not one that I would be willing to pay $400+ for at this point.

I would still expect ~$400. You can only save so much by buying in bulk. Eventually the price just gets as low as possible.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:34:35
UNLIMITED KEYBOARDS!?!?!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:48:57

I would buy one at $300 for sure, and I still don't even know how I feel about a split layout.

Well the beauty of this one is that if you do not want to use it split, it fits perfectly together, to use as a regular keyboard even if it defeats the purpose.

I wouldn't care about defeating the purpose at $300. That being said, no way this board is only $300.

IIRC the original GB went for ~$420 or so. Given the large increase in quantity it should definitely lower the price. It's a great custom don't get me wrong, but not one that I would be willing to pay $400+ for at this point.

I would still expect ~$400. You can only save so much by buying in bulk. Eventually the price just gets as low as possible.

Yeah sure maybe the price flatlines after like 10k orders or so. ~100-200 boards should be a lot cheaper per unit than 20-30. If not than I'd find a new shop.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:53:04
I said "unlimited" because I expect less than 100, that's what I meant.
And, in that range, price will not be changed. It will be around 400~440USD.
We are still calculating taxes and margin rate for reasonable final price.  >:D damn, it's so hard.
But one thing is sure, It will not be exceed 500, I said I'll give up GB if price goes that high.

This is where I'm standing
I heard part of taxes will be returned only if I can probe I exported product.
So, I'm asking around about "how".

Many of you and my friends are giving advices, maybe too much sometime. but that's good, great thing that I can get this much help :)

But plan is just plan(including establishing a company for this), I can go back to traditional way for this GB, if another way is nothing good enough for me and you all.

Man, now I feel like I'm making this tooooooooo complicated. haha, please consider it as a cute-gentle-paranoid thing.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 29 February 2016, 23:58:51
You highly underestimate the interest in this keyboard.
Orders for the Octagon V2 shot up above 100 within the day.  :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 01 March 2016, 20:32:01
You highly underestimate the interest in this keyboard.
Orders for the Octagon V2 shot up above 100 within the day.  :confused:

yeah lots of lurkers that will place an order and never post in the thread
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 01 March 2016, 20:35:24
You highly underestimate the interest in this keyboard.
Orders for the Octagon V2 shot up above 100 within the day.  :confused:

Or maybe a select few are over-hyping it. You never know until it is actually time for people to open their wallets.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Tue, 01 March 2016, 20:37:20
You highly underestimate the interest in this keyboard.
Orders for the Octagon V2 shot up above 100 within the day.  :confused:

Or maybe a select few are over-hyping it. You never know until it is actually time for people to open their wallets.

Just go through this thread and count the # of distinct posters ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 01 March 2016, 20:39:46
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Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Permeability on Tue, 01 March 2016, 20:52:06
Don't worry, people will just be happy you were able to bring any amount of these to us  :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 01 March 2016, 20:57:15
I am ordering!  No doubt!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Tue, 01 March 2016, 21:00:57
I am ordering!  No doubt!

My heart is set on this also :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Azzures on Wed, 02 March 2016, 04:37:40
I am ordering!  No doubt!

Me too! My life is not complete without this keyboard :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: popkorn62 on Wed, 02 March 2016, 04:45:33
I need this. I know I need it!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: beltet on Wed, 02 March 2016, 14:20:10
I have lurked quite a bit on this and is very interested.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Wed, 02 March 2016, 15:08:01
any idea on how many spots there will be for the GB?

Unlimited.
If things goes really well.

Impressive.

I am excite.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: beltet on Thu, 03 March 2016, 01:20:48
Just read that you will offer dark grey color option!
I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: naasfu on Thu, 03 March 2016, 01:44:52
Silver All the way!  Well maybe dark grey :)

or maybe black??  must... decide... on color.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 03 March 2016, 02:29:49
I was really hoping for green. The green showed in the early photos was very cool! Oh well, I suppose I needed an excuse to give my wallet a rest...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: nevaenuf on Thu, 03 March 2016, 19:28:21
I want it!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: calavera on Fri, 04 March 2016, 03:16:16
Will the bottom row support 7x space bar and 1.5x mods? Don't see it in the pic.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bocahgundul on Fri, 04 March 2016, 03:59:48
Will the bottom row support 7x space bar and 1.5x mods? Don't see it in the pic.
This is a split keyboard my friend  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: calavera on Fri, 04 March 2016, 04:04:01
Will the bottom row support 7x space bar and 1.5x mods? Don't see it in the pic.
This is a split keyboard my friend  :thumb:
Lol i went by the pics only. But will the bottom row support 1.5x mods?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: beltet on Sat, 05 March 2016, 04:01:45
Any idea when a GB would start?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WinterIsle on Sun, 06 March 2016, 00:16:50
Will the bottom row support 7x space bar and 1.5x mods? Don't see it in the pic.
This is a split keyboard my friend  :thumb:
Lol i went by the pics only. But will the bottom row support 1.5x mods?
Partially
(http://i.imgur.com/gjgytnL.png)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: slickmamba on Sun, 06 March 2016, 00:23:15
Will the bottom row support 7x space bar and 1.5x mods? Don't see it in the pic.
This is a split keyboard my friend  :thumb:
Lol i went by the pics only. But will the bottom row support 1.5x mods?
Partially
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/gjgytnL.png)


still interested in the board, but wish it had more options for bottom row.  Is the pcb already set? 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mrboovn on Sun, 06 March 2016, 01:36:20
Just found these pics on Taobao.They are so quick....
(http://i.imgur.com/Uk0j5OD.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/uDGn46I.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9wKZ6Rs.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UXMYlIs.png)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Sun, 06 March 2016, 03:28:44
That is really not quite the same thing. Many different design choices and not as nice as VE.A's keysizes. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Niomosy on Sun, 06 March 2016, 06:28:53
Just found these pics on Taobao.They are so quick....
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Uk0j5OD.jpg?1)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/uDGn46I.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/9wKZ6Rs.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UXMYlIs.png)



Not that they're identical but it's fascinating.  Have a link by chance?  Might come in handy for work.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: joey on Sun, 06 March 2016, 06:32:19
I don't think it's fair to say that is a copy of the VE.A.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Bevo on Sun, 06 March 2016, 06:54:26
Similar but i wouldn't say its a copy.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 06 March 2016, 13:41:19
Agreed, really just looks like any number of ergonomic keyboards.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 06 March 2016, 13:48:11
Just found these pics on Taobao.They are so quick....
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Uk0j5OD.jpg?1)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/uDGn46I.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/9wKZ6Rs.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UXMYlIs.png)


1. USB connection instead of SATA
2. Not interlocking
3. No F-row on the left
4. Looks almost nothing like any Vergo aesthetically
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sun, 06 March 2016, 20:43:45
Just found these pics on Taobao.They are so quick....
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Uk0j5OD.jpg?1)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/uDGn46I.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/9wKZ6Rs.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/UXMYlIs.png)

Looks efficient, nice. Cable idea also very good. I'm gonna benchmark it for next version of VE.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: drpatrickbateman on Sun, 06 March 2016, 21:55:38
I'm definitely interested!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Mon, 07 March 2016, 02:07:44
Are there any pics of a disassembled VE.A.

Would be cool to see what it looks like.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 07 March 2016, 03:48:22
Are there any pics of a disassembled VE.A.

Would be cool to see what it looks like.

Please,
Don't post it  :-[
I'm so afraid of something that I cannot mention directly, that you know what.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Mon, 07 March 2016, 05:19:03
I don't have any.
Was wondering if you could.
Sorry if I caused any offence.
Just thought it would be cool to see if there were any.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 07 March 2016, 05:44:17
I don't have any.
Was wondering if you could.
Sorry if I caused any offence.
Just thought it would be cool to see if there were any.

None taken :)
Just a little paranoid.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Mon, 07 March 2016, 05:49:45
HI I'M CRAZY

CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU KEYBOARD
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: calavera on Mon, 07 March 2016, 06:09:35
i remember recommending this when ergodox first started out or some other split keyboard project.. I don't remember but anywho:

What if the split sides had magnets so when you put both sides together they "snap" on. Probably too much trouble to make adjustments now for magnets but would be a pretty neat feature, no? :P
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 07 March 2016, 07:11:05
i remember recommending this when ergodox first started out or some other split keyboard project.. I don't remember but anywho:

What if the split sides had magnets so when you put both sides together they "snap" on. Probably too much trouble to make adjustments now for magnets but would be a pretty neat feature, no? :P

Yes it can be attractive for someone.
But practically, keyboard is meant to be used as 'stationary', so even if there's no magnet snap-on mechanism, it will be firmly fixed on desk.
I'm 100% sure because I'm using VE.A all-day :)

UHK made this feature by using socket-pin mechanism. It's really great. It's not just for fixing, it's for add-ons(like thumb track-point), and with that, no inter-cable needed. HOW GREAT IS THAT!!!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Delirious on Mon, 07 March 2016, 07:50:23
i remember recommending this when ergodox first started out or some other split keyboard project.. I don't remember but anywho:

What if the split sides had magnets so when you put both sides together they "snap" on. Probably too much trouble to make adjustments now for magnets but would be a pretty neat feature, no? :P

Yes it can be attractive for someone.
But practically, keyboard is meant to be used as 'stationary', so even if there's no magnet snap-on mechanism, it will be firmly fixed on desk.
I'm 100% sure because I'm using VE.A all-day :)

UHK made this feature by using socket-pin mechanism. It's really great. It's not just for fixing, it's for add-ons(like thumb track-point), and with that, no inter-cable needed. HOW GREAT IS THAT!!!

It's awesome to know that you actually study other boards to further improve your product. Whether good or bad, we can always learn a thing or two from competitions.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Wed, 09 March 2016, 13:02:56
Haha, you are such a humble guy, Zefyr. I'm glad that you do not turn your nose up to other boards and respect and learn from other's work in this hobby. It's awesome to have such an enthusiastic member in our community. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 09 March 2016, 13:07:38
Haha, you are such a humble guy, Zefyr. I'm glad that you do not turn your nose up to other boards and respect and learn from other's work in this hobby. It's awesome to have such an enthusiastic member in our community. :)

He has the attitude of a true enthusiast, which is very nice to see.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: henz on Fri, 11 March 2016, 08:55:09
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Fri, 11 March 2016, 09:58:26
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: henz on Fri, 11 March 2016, 10:31:25
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 11 March 2016, 10:34:22
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

Can I ask who sold VE.A to you?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 11 March 2016, 10:47:01
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

Can I ask who sold VE.A to you?
:o
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 11 March 2016, 10:48:17
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

Can I ask who sold VE.A to you?

Gonna be awkward if Zefyr was the one who sold it to him directly.  :))
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 11 March 2016, 11:11:42
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

Can I ask who sold VE.A to you?

Gonna be awkward if Zefyr was the one who sold it to him directly.  :))

Haha not me :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: henz on Fri, 11 March 2016, 11:11:54
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

Can I ask who sold VE.A to you?

Pmd
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 11 March 2016, 11:58:28
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo someone's in trouble.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Fri, 11 March 2016, 12:22:27
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo someone's in trouble.

I thought it was okay to sell kustoms at face value...?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 11 March 2016, 12:27:46
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo someone's in trouble.

I thought it was okay to sell kustoms at face value...?

oh you
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: henz on Fri, 11 March 2016, 12:33:29
Drama hunters, murican legion shows up :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 11 March 2016, 12:40:40
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo someone's in trouble.

I thought it was okay to sell kustoms at face value...?

 Now only if someone would sell me their 356cl at the korean group buy price.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 11 March 2016, 12:41:56

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo someone's in trouble.

I thought it was okay to sell kustoms at face value...?

 Now only if someone would sell me their 356cl at the korean group buy price.

Sure just pay $6000 in pp fee
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 11 March 2016, 12:42:34

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo someone's in trouble.

I thought it was okay to sell kustoms at face value...?

 Now only if someone would sell me their 356cl at the korean group buy price.

Sure just pay $6000 in pp fee

I think you are missing a zero.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Fri, 11 March 2016, 12:43:02

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo someone's in trouble.

I thought it was okay to sell kustoms at face value...?

 Now only if someone would sell me their 356cl at the korean group buy price.

Sure just pay $6000 in pp fee

I think you are missing a zero.

$0000 in pp fee it is.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 11 March 2016, 12:43:46

oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo someone's in trouble.

I thought it was okay to sell kustoms at face value...?

 Now only if someone would sell me their 356cl at the korean group buy price.

Sure just pay $6000 in pp fee

I think you are missing a zero.

$0000 in pp fee it is.

Always gotta make sure you take into account the pp fee.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Fri, 11 March 2016, 12:48:04
I love pee pee fees. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 11 March 2016, 12:58:23


oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo someone's in trouble.

I thought it was okay to sell kustoms at face value...?

 Now only if someone would sell me their 356cl at the korean group buy price.

Sure just pay $6000 in pp fee

I think you are missing a zero.

$0000 in pp fee it is.

Always gotta make sure you take into account the pp fee.

Lol forgot about that 60K number.  CLS only $60000000000000
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: naasfu on Fri, 11 March 2016, 15:35:50
did someone say drama???
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 11 March 2016, 15:40:43
did someone say drama???

You bet your ass they did
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: naasfu on Fri, 11 March 2016, 15:41:28
did someone say drama???

You bet your ass they did

great because that's what i'm here for.

oh and i'd like a VE.A pls
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 11 March 2016, 15:45:02

did someone say drama???

You bet your ass they did

great because that's what i'm here for.

oh and i'd like a VE.A pls

Me too.  Never lose interest
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Fri, 11 March 2016, 15:54:39
want 2 buy nao

pls 2 gif

thxu
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:10:47
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:12:58

will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?

Better be cherry. 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bocahgundul on Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:50:13

will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?

Better be cherry.
Ur wrong the correct answer is always ALPS
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:51:18


will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?

Better be cherry.
Ur wrong the correct answer is always ALPS

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: calavera on Fri, 11 March 2016, 19:48:32
I thought it would support both as pcb/plate options
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 11 March 2016, 21:27:38

will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?

Better be cherry.
Ur wrong the correct answer is always ALPS

Up for that,
But I'm pretty sure he don't have plate for ALPS.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: bocahgundul on Fri, 11 March 2016, 23:19:40

will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?

Better be cherry.
Ur wrong the correct answer is always ALPS

Up for that,
But I'm pretty sure he don't have plate for ALPS.
I'm just joking man

And yeah alps4lyfe
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: henz on Fri, 11 March 2016, 23:52:48
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?

67g zealios, so cherry:)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sat, 12 March 2016, 00:28:02
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?

67g zealios, so cherry:)
Cannot wait for your buildlog. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Sat, 12 March 2016, 02:10:36
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?

67g zealios, so cherry:)

Ding, I will be using 65g tactile zealios too. If you have any questions or run into anything that could be a hidden roadblock feel free to PM me (managed to get a kit also) :D
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: henz on Sat, 12 March 2016, 06:32:27
will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?

67g zealios, so cherry:)
Cannot wait for your buildlog. :)


will get a 2nd one if this happens. :thumb:

You already have ONE, henz?  :eek:

Yep!:)

So are you using an Alps layout or Cherry MX?

67g zealios, so cherry:)

Ding, I will be using 65g tactile zealios too. If you have any questions or run into anything that could be a hidden roadblock feel free to PM me (managed to get a kit also) :D

i already built mine, im waiting for legs to post pictures :D will most likely be 3 weeks atleast.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 14 March 2016, 23:32:49
it is happening soon?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: yuktsi on Tue, 15 March 2016, 02:00:31
is this happening soon?  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: popkorn62 on Tue, 15 March 2016, 02:32:12
Hope this one will come soon!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Wed, 16 March 2016, 07:02:04
We are producing sample for new GB.
It's almost done.
We will announce exact schedule when sample and other preparation is good and ready.
It's harder than I thought...
Please, be patient :)
This will happen for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 16 March 2016, 10:50:18
We are producing sample for new GB.
It's almost done.
We will announce exact schedule when sample and other preparation is good and ready.
It's harder than I thought...
Please, be patient :)
This will happen for sure.

Thanks for the update :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Wed, 16 March 2016, 12:13:51
We are producing sample for new GB.
It's almost done.
We will announce exact schedule when sample and other preparation is good and ready.
It's harder than I thought...
Please, be patient :)
This will happen for sure.

Thank you for the update. Any modifications to your current VE.A designs, or production manufacturing changes? Hopefully it's still made in Korea and the production quality will not be compromised by the larger quantities. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Wed, 16 March 2016, 22:37:25
We are producing sample for new GB.
It's almost done.
We will announce exact schedule when sample and other preparation is good and ready.
It's harder than I thought...
Please, be patient :)
This will happen for sure.

Thank you for the update. Any modifications to your current VE.A designs, or production manufacturing changes? Hopefully it's still made in Korea and the production quality will not be compromised by the larger quantities. :)

That's what we are arranging now.
It will be made in Korea. Quality is all that we care.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hexterdude on Wed, 16 March 2016, 22:38:13
Zef,

I can't hold it any longer.....

I NEEED IT MAN
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 16 March 2016, 22:39:20
Zef,

I can't hold it any longer.....

I NEEED IT MAN

don't we all
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Wed, 16 March 2016, 22:57:30
We are producing sample for new GB.
It's almost done.
We will announce exact schedule when sample and other preparation is good and ready.
It's harder than I thought...
Please, be patient :)
This will happen for sure.

Thank you for the update. Any modifications to your current VE.A designs, or production manufacturing changes? Hopefully it's still made in Korea and the production quality will not be compromised by the larger quantities. :)

That's what we are arranging now.
It will be made in Korea. Quality is all that we care.

 :-*
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Wed, 16 March 2016, 23:03:29
We are producing sample for new GB.
It's almost done.
We will announce exact schedule when sample and other preparation is good and ready.
It's harder than I thought...
Please, be patient :)
This will happen for sure.

Thank you for the update. Any modifications to your current VE.A designs, or production manufacturing changes? Hopefully it's still made in Korea and the production quality will not be compromised by the larger quantities. :)

That's what we are arranging now.
It will be made in Korea. Quality is all that we care.

Great to hear, I look forward to seeing it, thank you. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 24 March 2016, 01:49:47
Announcement from VE.A team.

Final sample has out.
I'm testing new version of PCB.
GB will happen very soon.
I'm trying my ass off to keep the price as low as I can.
I'm trying my ass off to make this GB happen as soon as possible.

I'm really appreciated for asking schedule ans prices via PM guys :)
That makes me a lot relief that you guys are still remember this GB.
And also make me hurry more.
But I cannot announce exact plan yet.
Please, hold your horses.
This will happen. I promise.
Otherwise, my GB-setting-up-time will be just a waste of my life.

Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dohbot on Thu, 24 March 2016, 01:56:35
I won't forget about this GB you don't have to worry!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: popkorn62 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 02:10:07
Omg omg it's happening!!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: sitch on Thu, 24 March 2016, 02:35:15
I wonder what colors are available?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 24 March 2016, 02:45:16
I wonder what colors are available?

For now, Silver/Black/DarkGrey
But sample of DarkGrey is not good... I'll make another sample.
Man... sampling cost is too much.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hexterdude on Thu, 24 March 2016, 02:47:50
I wonder what colors are available?

For now, Silver/Black/DarkGrey
But sample of DarkGrey is not good... I'll make another sample.
Man... sampling cost is too much.

That sleek black and majestic silver are so dope, can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: sitch on Thu, 24 March 2016, 02:48:34
I wonder what colors are available?

For now, Silver/Black/DarkGrey
But sample of DarkGrey is not good... I'll make another sample.
Man... sampling cost is too much.

Don't worry about it, you are doing a great job! :D

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Dee1 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 09:08:51
I can't wait for this to happen! :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Thu, 24 March 2016, 09:12:47
I've been spending sparingly to ensure that I have the funds for this imminent GB...much excite  :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Geekmie on Thu, 24 March 2016, 09:20:12


For now, Silver/Black/DarkGrey
But sample of DarkGrey is not good... I'll make another sample.
Man... sampling cost is too much.

Any chance for a blue housing? Really look forward to this ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Thu, 24 March 2016, 09:42:37
The ramen life has fed my wallet well.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: toidbb on Thu, 24 March 2016, 10:32:32
Can't wait, seems like really close now. Thanks Zefyr for your efforts.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 10:33:31
just got scammed for $500, but I will still try to get it!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hexterdude on Thu, 24 March 2016, 10:34:19
just got scammed for $500, but I will still try to get it!

crap man, suck that **** happened to you. Gonna bring the paypal protection hammer on him?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 10:36:05
just got scammed for $500, but I will still try to get it!

crap man, suck that **** happened to you. Gonna bring the paypal protection hammer on him?

yeah I'm gonna have to.  see my signature... what an idiot
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hexterdude on Thu, 24 March 2016, 10:39:22
just got scammed for $500, but I will still try to get it!

crap man, suck that **** happened to you. Gonna bring the paypal protection hammer on him?

yeah I'm gonna have to.  see my signature... what an idiot

well at least pp will save the day, hopefully you'll get your refund in  time for the GB
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: svij on Sat, 26 March 2016, 03:39:33
Put me on the list!
THX
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WNovizar on Sat, 26 March 2016, 04:10:33
Also interested in one 😀
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Tre3Cycl3S on Sat, 26 March 2016, 14:29:18
Will be very very interested in this too, hopefully I can get a spot in the GB when it opens! :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 27 March 2016, 12:07:31
If only STS plates are offered, are files available for the plate design?  I might want to get another material plate made :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sun, 27 March 2016, 22:40:28
If only STS plates are offered, are files available for the plate design?  I might want to get another material plate made :thumb:

Yes it will be shared on website.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 March 2016, 20:21:46
I saw the review/build log and now I can hardly contain my lust for this keyboard.  Take my money please!

(http://i.imgur.com/3PquXT8.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Mon, 28 March 2016, 21:36:41
I saw the review/build log and now I can hardly contain my lust for this keyboard.  Take my money please!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/3PquXT8.jpg)


Build log? Where   :-X
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 28 March 2016, 22:22:52
can my endgame be released so I can quit already?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Mon, 28 March 2016, 22:56:28
I saw the review/build log and now I can hardly contain my lust for this keyboard.  Take my money please!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/3PquXT8.jpg)


Build log? Where   :-X

Oh, um. Mine I suppose. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80849.0
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Mon, 28 March 2016, 23:02:00
I saw the review/build log and now I can hardly contain my lust for this keyboard.  Take my money please!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/3PquXT8.jpg)


Build log? Where   :-X


Oh, um. Mine I suppose. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80849.0

That's a real beauty. Great job!

This is only getting me more hyped up
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Ryukuxyz on Sun, 03 April 2016, 12:06:49
End game as ****, totally buying one if it stays around the current price.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hoggy on Sun, 03 April 2016, 14:42:00
The problem with end game keyboards, is that ultimately, you end up collecting end game keyboards...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Geekmie on Sun, 03 April 2016, 14:43:02
The problem with end game keyboards, is that ultimately, you end up collecting end game keyboards...
Can't agree more, lol
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: cirrus82 on Mon, 04 April 2016, 20:58:32
Would love to get in on this!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: vinzlr on Mon, 04 April 2016, 23:40:34
Yeah I'm totally in. Been a long time since I've been here but i need this keyboard
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: undefinedmechanicalmind on Tue, 05 April 2016, 01:23:10
Put me down for one!
 :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Tue, 05 April 2016, 01:26:10
still waiting  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: popkorn62 on Tue, 05 April 2016, 06:03:27
When can I have this in my life...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 05 April 2016, 07:31:31
bump

Announcement 2016-04-05

We launched official website.
http://oddforge.com/

Thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Geekmie on Tue, 05 April 2016, 07:36:45
bump

Announcement 2016-04-05

We launched official website.
http://oddforge.com/

Thanks for your patience.
Nice website~
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 05 April 2016, 07:46:22
bump

Announcement 2016-04-05

We launched official website.
http://oddforge.com/

Thanks for your patience.

nice website!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dohbot on Tue, 05 April 2016, 07:47:11
Very pretty and very excited!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WNovizar on Tue, 05 April 2016, 07:50:02
I am pretty excited for this keyboard, however I must ask, is the layout below compatible?

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/e14b6876c092f6de48d1c4a985b9d9a0
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Evo_Spec on Tue, 05 April 2016, 07:50:58
...... guess i'm buying another keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: eyedrop on Tue, 05 April 2016, 13:26:41
Very unique board.  Loving the design.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Tue, 05 April 2016, 13:31:09
What is everyone doing for spacebars?  Are those just blank R4 Shifts or... ?

I space with the left hand.  It's a shame the position of the shorter space and FN key can't be swapped to the right half.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: henz on Tue, 05 April 2016, 15:17:34
What is everyone doing for spacebars?  Are those just blank R4 Shifts or... ?

I space with the left hand.  It's a shame the position of the shorter space and FN key can't be swapped to the right half.

i spaced with the wrong hand before as well, you should change!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 05 April 2016, 23:53:30
What is everyone doing for spacebars?  Are those just blank R4 Shifts or... ?

I space with the left hand.  It's a shame the position of the shorter space and FN key can't be swapped to the right half.

Left space bar is number pad 2x 0 keycap.
Right space bar is 2.75x right shift keycap.

Position if ThumbFN is pretty controversial so I'll work on that for next version.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: appleonama on Tue, 05 April 2016, 23:57:15
Nice Assembly Guide section that should help a ton of newbies who might buy this
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Wed, 06 April 2016, 00:02:51
What is everyone doing for spacebars?  Are those just blank R4 Shifts or... ?

I space with the left hand.  It's a shame the position of the shorter space and FN key can't be swapped to the right half.

i spaced with the wrong hand before as well, you should change!

I space with both hands :( whichever hand isn't reaching for the next letter to type
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Dee1 on Wed, 06 April 2016, 09:06:11
What is everyone doing for spacebars?  Are those just blank R4 Shifts or... ?

I space with the left hand.  It's a shame the position of the shorter space and FN key can't be swapped to the right half.

Left space bar is number pad 2x 0 keycap.
Right space bar is 2.75x right shift keycap.

Position if ThumbFN is pretty controversial so I'll work on that for next version.
I'm also a left-thumb user. Maybe I'll wait for the next version of this then. :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 06 April 2016, 09:24:03
preparing the wallet
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: sitch on Wed, 06 April 2016, 09:45:03
how heavy are these going to be?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HouseofSuffering on Wed, 06 April 2016, 12:56:38
New site, looks great so far!
Title: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Wed, 06 April 2016, 13:11:32
Vermillion, the site looks great, and I am very impressed with the level of commitment you are putting into making this project happen.

At first I thought it was just going to be a simple GB but to see a website with proper marketing and evident business sense really surprised me.

I really look forward to what you have to show us.

What is your day job? I am very curious haha.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 06 April 2016, 13:45:35
He did mention some time back that he is a website designer.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Orgell_Evaan on Wed, 06 April 2016, 15:29:25
how heavy are these going to be?

OP mentioned approx. 1 Kg / side.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Wed, 06 April 2016, 16:48:37
What is everyone doing for spacebars?  Are those just blank R4 Shifts or... ?

I space with the left hand.  It's a shame the position of the shorter space and FN key can't be swapped to the right half.

i spaced with the wrong hand before as well, you should change!

I verified with Mavis Beacon: left thumb is correct for spacing.

Have a nice day.

What is everyone doing for spacebars?  Are those just blank R4 Shifts or... ?

I space with the left hand.  It's a shame the position of the shorter space and FN key can't be swapped to the right half.

Left space bar is number pad 2x 0 keycap.
Right space bar is 2.75x right shift keycap.

Position if ThumbFN is pretty controversial so I'll work on that for next version.
Yeah I just checked.  My left thumb rides right between V and B on the spacebar in staggered QWERTY and that's exactly where you've placed the Fn key in the default layout.  This layout is no good for me.  What a bummer!  I suppose I'll have to wait for Version 2.  :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: yicaoyimu on Wed, 06 April 2016, 17:17:47
Yeah I just checked.  My left thumb rides right between V and B on the spacebar in staggered QWERTY and that's exactly where you've placed the Fn key in the default layout.  This layout is no good for me.  What a bummer!  I suppose I'll have to wait for Version 2.  :(

I guess you can always just program the fn key to be space.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 06 April 2016, 17:33:04
I use qwerty and I like spacebar with the right because the left hand sees a lot more activity when typing. This means that the right hand is often free and giving the spacebar to the right hand helps to balance out the work between hands.

Though I can see problems when people are playing games. Not being able to comfortably position your fingers on the wasd cluster and thumb on space can be an issue.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Wed, 06 April 2016, 17:51:42
how heavy are these going to be?

OP mentioned approx. 1 Kg / side.

Vouch. 1kg/side is about right.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: t!ng on Thu, 07 April 2016, 06:57:35
Considering this vote there should be an option to change Layout:
https://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/which-thumb-do-you-use-for-the-space-bar-t12936.html
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Thu, 07 April 2016, 10:44:41
Considering this vote there should be an option to change Layout:
https://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/which-thumb-do-you-use-for-the-space-bar-t12936.html

Interesting read. Would agree if possible, to support different buttom row option. I am right handed, using left thumb for spacebar. Specifically the area under V and B key. That means I would be hitting the function key.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: muon on Sat, 09 April 2016, 04:14:26
Totally in for next round, if there will be one.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sun, 10 April 2016, 23:32:17
I'm listening guys :)
And working on that.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Mon, 11 April 2016, 00:45:00
I'm listening guys :)
And working on that.

 :thumb:

Just a thought: if the locations of the 2u left Space and left Fn were reversed (or if there was an option for it on the PCB) that would be an easy fix for me. 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: CJD_Anthony on Mon, 11 April 2016, 07:58:51
After buying the Hana keycap set, it might look good on this  :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 11 April 2016, 11:18:24
I'm listening guys :)
And working on that.

 :thumb:

Just a thought: if the locations of the 2u left Space and left Fn were reversed (or if there was an option for it on the PCB) that would be an easy fix for me.

Yes exactly.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 11 April 2016, 11:57:13
still can't wait for this one :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Azzures on Mon, 11 April 2016, 17:37:57
Man, have a bunch of 67g zealios lying in wait for my ergodox, but so tempted to wait to put them on this instead.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: BlueMoon on Wed, 13 April 2016, 15:52:55
I'm listening guys :)
And working on that.

If you add an option for the opposite spacebar configuration, the current option will still exist too, right? I'm right handed and hit space with my right thumb (between N and M) and so the default configuration would be ideal for me.

Really, really excited about this buy -- this board is endgame for me. Any more updates on the timeline and when we will be able to buy?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 14 April 2016, 02:49:17
I'm listening guys :)
And working on that.

If you add an option for the opposite spacebar configuration, the current option will still exist too, right? I'm right handed and hit space with my right thumb (between N and M) and so the default configuration would be ideal for me.

Really, really excited about this buy -- this board is endgame for me. Any more updates on the timeline and when we will be able to buy?

Positive.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Thu, 14 April 2016, 03:39:01
any ETA yet?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hkf on Thu, 14 April 2016, 03:42:02
Zefyr, will we be able to get just pcb and plate?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Thu, 14 April 2016, 05:14:12
What will the opposite spacebar configuration look like?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: turboloser on Thu, 14 April 2016, 13:01:17
I am a leftie, please be kind to us.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: demonlinx on Thu, 14 April 2016, 15:40:00
Definitely interested. Can't wait for this to be a GB.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 14 April 2016, 23:17:22
Zefyr, will we be able to get just pcb and plate?

No, not this time.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 21 April 2016, 08:26:53
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Thu, 21 April 2016, 08:29:39
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.

Dang! Crazy! Massdrop actually getting a Korean custom...
Never thought I'd see the day.

Excited!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Geekmie on Thu, 21 April 2016, 08:34:14
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.
Awesome. I'm ready for it! Where is my time machine? ;D
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: limitz on Thu, 21 April 2016, 08:44:44
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.

Thanks for the update Zefyr. Will there be any compromises in quality by going through MassDrop, or will you try to stay true to your GB, V2 version?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vittra on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:01:28
I suggest you speak to Massdrop and be very specific regarding the details of HOW the keyboards need to be packed/protected for shipment, otherwise many people will receive damaged product.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:04:47
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.

ooooohhhhhhh.  I need to get one!x
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:08:32
That is insane! Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:08:43
Thanks for the update Zefyr. Will there be any compromises in quality by going through MassDrop, or will you try to stay true to your GB, V2 version?

Personal customized marking plate will not be provided, only common product signature marking plate will be included.
Except that, no quality compromise. We have really strict standard about quality. - Only Quality Matters -

And I don't understand what you are meaning "V2"?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:09:04
I suggest you speak to Massdrop and be very specific regarding the details of HOW the keyboards need to be packed/protected for shipment, otherwise many people will receive damaged product.

Noted!
Thanks for your advice.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: limitz on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:17:17
Thanks for the update Zefyr. Will there be any compromises in quality by going through MassDrop, or will you try to stay true to your GB, V2 version?

Personal customized marking plate will not be provided, only common product signature marking plate will be included.
Except that, no quality compromise. We have really strict standard about quality. - Only Quality Matters -

And I don't understand what you are meaning "V2"?

Ahh, I thought the VE.A that just ran in S. Korea was the V2. My confusion.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:17:39
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.

Additional Announcement.

I have to say really sorry for Alps fans since Alps switch mounting plate will not be provided in Massdrop.
I believe all Alps fans can understand why I removed this option.
But I'll explain anyway.
Alps mounting system is very strict about layout.
It has no sustain pins like Cherry MX, and stabilizers is mounted on mounting plate so "Universal Alps plate" cannot be made.
Plus, there's no "Standard" keycap sets for alps (except Matias, but I don't want to limit selection of keycaps.).
So, We will share alps plate drawing on public.
And for who have no access to metalworks shop, we will accept order of Alps plate in our website.
This can make you spend another shipping money. but at this time, I have no better way.
Sorry again and thank you for your understanding in advance :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:19:02
Ahh, I thought the VE.A that just ran in S. Korea was the V2. My confusion.

:)
VE.A uses PCB Vergo type.T-II
that might cause you confusion.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:19:04
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.

Additional Announcement.

I have to say really sorry for Alps fans since Alps switch mounting plate will not be provided in Massdrop.
I believe all Alps fans can understand why I removed this option.
But I'll explain anyway.
Alps mounting system is very strict about layout.
It has no sustain pins like Cherry MX, and stabilizers is mounted on mounting plate so "Universal Alps plate" cannot be made.
Plus, there's no "Standard" keycap sets for alps (except Matias, but I don't want to limit selection of keycaps.).
So, We will share alps plate drawing on public.
And for who have no access to metalworks shop, we will accept order of Alps plate in our website.
This can make you spend another shipping money. but at this time, I have no better way.
Sorry again and thank you for your understanding in advance :)

That's okay. Finding keycaps for Alps would be difficult, anyway.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: sitch on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:19:20
I wonder if we can request direct shipment from korea instead of korea > USA > Asia ?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:27:38
I wonder if we can request direct shipment from korea instead of korea > USA > Asia ?

To avoid direct shipping (individual) work/risk is one of many reasons that we are working with Massdrop.
Sorry my friend.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: sitch on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:29:49
I wonder if we can request direct shipment from korea instead of korea > USA > Asia ?

To avoid direct shipping (individual) work/risk is one of many reasons that we are working with Massdrop.
Sorry my friend.


Thank you sir for prompt reply! cant wait for it to drop :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Hexterdude on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:30:22
now that you're working with massdrop will there be an option to buy it assembled?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 21 April 2016, 09:34:18
now that you're working with massdrop will there be an option to buy it assembled?

No assembly option at this moment.
But essential ICs will be pre-soldered (SMT).
So all you have to do is soldering switches :)
(Plus in-switch LEDs if you want it)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: harlw on Thu, 21 April 2016, 10:24:17
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.




*PEES PANTS VERY LOUDLY*
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: redbanshee on Thu, 21 April 2016, 10:24:28
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: lootbag on Thu, 21 April 2016, 10:39:09
I wonder if we can request direct shipment from korea instead of korea > USA > Asia ?

To avoid direct shipping (individual) work/risk is one of many reasons that we are working with Massdrop.
Sorry my friend.


Hopefully, shipping will not cost too much.
I am in Hong Kong and it does not seem very efficient to ship from South Korea > US > and back to Hong Kong...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: yuktsi on Thu, 21 April 2016, 12:18:59
I would love to pickup another VE.A

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: biocalves on Thu, 21 April 2016, 12:29:10
My wallet is ready
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: BlueMoon on Thu, 21 April 2016, 12:55:32
Very excited about this news! Can you give an estimate of what the price and estimated shipping time will be once it's launched on MassDrop? Definitely going to be in on this GB :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 21 April 2016, 13:24:17
Very excited about this news! Can you give an estimate of what the price and estimated shipping time will be once it's launched on MassDrop? Definitely going to be in on this GB :)

Price was listed in the first post.  $400-450 was the estimate.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Thu, 21 April 2016, 14:58:36
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.

Awesome.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Butter on Thu, 21 April 2016, 16:02:10
May is turning out to be really expensive :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 21 April 2016, 19:10:00
Announcement from team oddforge

As mentioned several times, we struggled to set this GB smoothly.
We are building up e-shop solution but time is too short.
We cannot hold you guys anymore.
Finally found solution and this will happen in very safe/smooth way.

We've been in touch with Massdrop to assist with coordination on this GB.
Massdrop was excited to help with this project and VE.A is scheduled to launch in the middle of May.

At this point, we will not set limit of quantity.
Hope you guys are happy with this way :)

Thanks for waiting everyone.

Massdrop is generally a good choice.  I weep for the extra taxes on it but it makes sense from a distribution standpoint for you.

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: tuco on Thu, 21 April 2016, 20:00:47
Can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Thu, 21 April 2016, 20:47:30
Massdrop has a lot of issues when it comes to good shipping practices, and safe packing. I've heard of horror stories about waiting 10 months for an order replacement for something, due to the first one being damaged (Massdrop's shipping fulfillment center used a box that was too large and wasn't secured/padded for safety).

I'm worried that there will be damages, and replacement VE.A might take a long time to arrive.

Was also really looking forward to the ALPS option.

With the removal of ALPS as well as going through Massdrop, I must say that I'm not exactly happy, and hope to see it offered directly from Vermilion in the future. Good luck with the project regardless, because it is a very cool keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: gain on Thu, 21 April 2016, 21:22:01
Ooh, Massdrop shipping is going to be a good kick in the balls, might pass. Oh well, have to wait and see, it's been super reliable for me personally just costs enough to make me gape sometimes.

Glad I don't have to deal with VAT though :V

Quote
Dang! Crazy! Massdrop actually getting a Korean custom...
Never thought I'd see the day.

Wasn't there a drop for one of the GON keyboards years ago?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: adamski07 on Thu, 21 April 2016, 21:26:23
:( MD is not that great for me on expensive items. At top of $400-$500 pricetag, I need to pay tax plus the uaual high shipping fees of MD.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Thu, 21 April 2016, 21:36:48
I feel that one of the reason this is going through Massdrop is because of the payment. Credit card and paypal payment collection will probably be easier with an establish company.

Logistic with Massdrop usually is good, though the shipping fee is bad for most other countries, outside of US.
They are afterall a middleman to facilitate groupbuys. Damages usually caused by postal companies.

Hope that VE.A will be a success
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: slickmamba on Thu, 21 April 2016, 21:37:53
Not a big fan of massdrop either.  As the others have said, not a big fan of their process plus tax on top of the price. 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 21 April 2016, 21:38:50
I feel that one of the reason this is going through Massdrop is because of the payment. Credit card and paypal payment collection will probably be easier with an establish company.

Logistic with Massdrop usually is good, though the shipping fee is bad for most other countries, outside of US.
They are afterall a middleman to facilitate groupbuys. Damages usually caused by postal companies.

Hope that VE.A will be a success

The damages are almost always caused by inferior packaging, not postal handling.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 21 April 2016, 21:42:14
I feel that one of the reason this is going through Massdrop is because of the payment. Credit card and paypal payment collection will probably be easier with an establish company.

Logistic with Massdrop usually is good, though the shipping fee is bad for most other countries, outside of US.
They are afterall a middleman to facilitate groupbuys. Damages usually caused by postal companies.

Hope that VE.A will be a success

The damages are almost always caused by inferior packaging, not postal handling.

I don't know what's the big deal.  TA was bad but rest of my mass drop stuff has been fine.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Thu, 21 April 2016, 21:47:14
I feel that one of the reason this is going through Massdrop is because of the payment. Credit card and paypal payment collection will probably be easier with an establish company.

Logistic with Massdrop usually is good, though the shipping fee is bad for most other countries, outside of US.
They are afterall a middleman to facilitate groupbuys. Damages usually caused by postal companies.

Hope that VE.A will be a success

The damages are almost always caused by inferior packaging, not postal handling.

Could have been either. Yes, inferior packaging doesn't help. Massdrop need to up their game.

I wonder if pre-packing each order of VE.A from production in Korea before shipping them to MD is possible. I understand to cut shipping cost from Korea to MD, items will be packed in boxes containing the same parts, like left PCB in 1 box, right PCB in other and so on. Once reached MD, MD will have to repack as per each order.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Butter on Thu, 21 April 2016, 23:00:52
I feel that one of the reason this is going through Massdrop is because of the payment. Credit card and paypal payment collection will probably be easier with an establish company.

Logistic with Massdrop usually is good, though the shipping fee is bad for most other countries, outside of US.
They are afterall a middleman to facilitate groupbuys. Damages usually caused by postal companies.

Hope that VE.A will be a success

The damages are almost always caused by inferior packaging, not postal handling.

I don't know what's the big deal.  TA was bad but rest of my mass drop stuff has been fine.

They did a really good job for my infinity ergodox. Everything was wrap in their individual bubble wrap and nothing was damage.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 21 April 2016, 23:09:40
I feel that one of the reason this is going through Massdrop is because of the payment. Credit card and paypal payment collection will probably be easier with an establish company.

Logistic with Massdrop usually is good, though the shipping fee is bad for most other countries, outside of US.
They are afterall a middleman to facilitate groupbuys. Damages usually caused by postal companies.

Hope that VE.A will be a success

The damages are almost always caused by inferior packaging, not postal handling.

I don't know what's the big deal.  TA was bad but rest of my mass drop stuff has been fine.

They did a really good job for my infinity ergodox. Everything was wrap in their individual bubble wrap and nothing was damage.

Now let's see how they handle metal.
Peanuts and those weird giant airbags aren't going to be good enough.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Butter on Thu, 21 April 2016, 23:13:51
I feel that one of the reason this is going through Massdrop is because of the payment. Credit card and paypal payment collection will probably be easier with an establish company.

Logistic with Massdrop usually is good, though the shipping fee is bad for most other countries, outside of US.
They are afterall a middleman to facilitate groupbuys. Damages usually caused by postal companies.

Hope that VE.A will be a success

The damages are almost always caused by inferior packaging, not postal handling.

I don't know what's the big deal.  TA was bad but rest of my mass drop stuff has been fine.

They did a really good job for my infinity ergodox. Everything was wrap in their individual bubble wrap and nothing was damage.

Now let's see how they handle metal.
Peanuts and those weird giant airbags aren't going to be good enough.

Hope full they wrap them in butt load of foam like how duck ship his keyboards kit.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 21 April 2016, 23:32:24
I feel that one of the reason this is going through Massdrop is because of the payment. Credit card and paypal payment collection will probably be easier with an establish company.

Logistic with Massdrop usually is good, though the shipping fee is bad for most other countries, outside of US.
They are afterall a middleman to facilitate groupbuys. Damages usually caused by postal companies.

Hope that VE.A will be a success

The damages are almost always caused by inferior packaging, not postal handling.

Not that packaging problems don't have their place but the carriers are notoriously poor with regard to the handling of general freight.  I've watched how brutally shipping companies can handle things having seen it with FedEx.  Fragile labeling is mostly an ignored suggestion.  Friend used to work for UPS at the sorting facilities and confirmed that package safety isn't a concern.  Speed is.  You've got a better shot at decent treatment if your package is shipped air but for any ground shipping it's a race to get things done quickly and your package is just one in the mix.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: byker on Fri, 22 April 2016, 01:32:25
Not a big fan of massdrop either.  As the others have said, not a big fan of their process plus tax on top of the price.

Agreed. I stopped using massdrop awhile ago after a horrible customer service experience.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 22 April 2016, 01:58:36
Just talked with Massdrop and they said don't worry about it. For example infinity ergodox kit was packaged nicely. And VE.A package will be as good as ergodox.
Thanks you everybody for sharing experience. I'll check this thread and discuss your concerns with Massdrop.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Tre3Cycl3S on Fri, 22 April 2016, 02:00:29
Will love to get one if Massdrop's shipping cost isn't too crazy!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: kenshinjeff on Fri, 22 April 2016, 03:13:30
IMO Massdrop has lousy international shipping timings. But I have to agree that MD is a great way to gain traction if you are expecting a lot of orders.

For korean customs, if the intention is to make < 100 units, the advantage is not that obvious. And, honestly, I rather the manufacturer take their own time to do a limited quantity to ensure quality, than to do a big quantity, sacrificing quality.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 22 April 2016, 04:20:23
IMO Massdrop has lousy international shipping timings. But I have to agree that MD is a great way to gain traction if you are expecting a lot of orders.

For korean customs, if the intention is to make < 100 units, the advantage is not that obvious. And, honestly, I rather the manufacturer take their own time to do a limited quantity to ensure quality, than to do a big quantity, sacrificing quality.

I am gonna say this again.
Quality matters to me just like yoy guys.
Who want to use clumsy product with this hell-high price? Haha.
My factory also produces smartphone cases. Which is massive.
You don't have to worry about quality, it's under control.
I have good team to check quality several steps plus massdrop will check again.
I already sent sample to massdrop and that would be standard for production.

And there is a lot more reasons why I am working with massdrop besides quantity.
I want to be kept safe while money transaction as you guys.
It is not that I do not believe people. It is from my past experience.
With massdrop, this works both for me and you.
And shipping is a lot of work for me and my small team. Domestic ahipping was hard. How it can be when it comes to international?

OK to be honest
Yes quantity also matters to me. If quantity goes higher(within I can cover) I can regain my sampling and development expenses. It is not a charity work, just hobby.
I want more people uses my keyboard cause that would be huge encourage for my next piece.

I have been suffered significant stresses while organizing this GB since it is my first international GB.
I just want it to be right.

Thanks for your support all of you geekhackers!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Jedi on Fri, 22 April 2016, 06:45:24
This is amazing.  Great work Zefyr!  Only a few weeks to go to see this on Massdrop. 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: kenshinjeff on Fri, 22 April 2016, 09:59:42
I want to be kept safe while money transaction as you guys.
And shipping is a lot of work for me and my small team. Domestic ahipping was hard. How it can be when it comes to international?
Yes quantity also matters to me. If quantity goes higher(within I can cover) I can regain my sampling and development expenses. It is not a charity work, just hobby.
I want more people uses my keyboard cause that would be huge encourage for my next piece.
I have been suffered significant stresses while organizing this GB since it is my first international GB.

These are all valid points, I can accept this line of reasoning with your assurances.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Fri, 22 April 2016, 10:18:40
IMO Massdrop has lousy international shipping timings. But I have to agree that MD is a great way to gain traction if you are expecting a lot of orders.

For korean customs, if the intention is to make < 100 units, the advantage is not that obvious. And, honestly, I rather the manufacturer take their own time to do a limited quantity to ensure quality, than to do a big quantity, sacrificing quality.

I am gonna say this again.
Quality matters to me just like yoy guys.
Who want to use clumsy product with this hell-high price? Haha.
My factory also produces smartphone cases. Which is massive.
You don't have to worry about quality, it's under control.
I have good team to check quality several steps plus massdrop will check again.
I already sent sample to massdrop and that would be standard for production.

And there is a lot more reasons why I am working with massdrop besides quantity.
I want to be kept safe while money transaction as you guys.
It is not that I do not believe people. It is from my past experience.
With massdrop, this works both for me and you.
And shipping is a lot of work for me and my small team. Domestic ahipping was hard. How it can be when it comes to international?

OK to be honest
Yes quantity also matters to me. If quantity goes higher(within I can cover) I can regain my sampling and development expenses. It is not a charity work, just hobby.
I want more people uses my keyboard cause that would be huge encourage for my next piece.

I have been suffered significant stresses while organizing this GB since it is my first international GB.
I just want it to be right.

Thanks for your support all of you geekhackers!

Hi zefyr, you mentioned production sample. Any updates about the bottom row spacebar layout for left thumb users?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 22 April 2016, 12:47:33
IMO Massdrop has lousy international shipping timings. But I have to agree that MD is a great way to gain traction if you are expecting a lot of orders.

For korean customs, if the intention is to make < 100 units, the advantage is not that obvious. And, honestly, I rather the manufacturer take their own time to do a limited quantity to ensure quality, than to do a big quantity, sacrificing quality.

I am gonna say this again.
Quality matters to me just like yoy guys.
Who want to use clumsy product with this hell-high price? Haha.
My factory also produces smartphone cases. Which is massive.
You don't have to worry about quality, it's under control.
I have good team to check quality several steps plus massdrop will check again.
I already sent sample to massdrop and that would be standard for production.

And there is a lot more reasons why I am working with massdrop besides quantity.
I want to be kept safe while money transaction as you guys.
It is not that I do not believe people. It is from my past experience.
With massdrop, this works both for me and you.
And shipping is a lot of work for me and my small team. Domestic ahipping was hard. How it can be when it comes to international?

OK to be honest
Yes quantity also matters to me. If quantity goes higher(within I can cover) I can regain my sampling and development expenses. It is not a charity work, just hobby.
I want more people uses my keyboard cause that would be huge encourage for my next piece.

I have been suffered significant stresses while organizing this GB since it is my first international GB.
I just want it to be right.

Thanks for your support all of you geekhackers!

Hi zefyr, you mentioned production sample. Any updates about the bottom row spacebar layout for left thumb users?

I am working on that. I am going for swappable layout. Spc-fn / fn-spc.
The sample I sent was same version of last GB in kbdlab.
I am not sure that new version can be done by launch of massdrop.
If it is done, new version will be included in this gb with massdrop.
I don't want to disappoint you, that's why I saved my words...
Wish me luck (and yours)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Fri, 22 April 2016, 12:54:51
YAYYY! Glad massdrop could help you out. I've yet to have a shopping mishap with massdrop. Thanks for working so hard!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Geekmie on Fri, 22 April 2016, 13:16:04
Really appreciate your hard work! I bet a LOT are gonna be sold when it is available.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 22 April 2016, 13:19:54
A little disappointed about the exclusion of the ALPS plate.
However, that just means I can use a more suitable material for blue ALPS. While I realise softer materials will disrupt the integrity of the ALPS mounting, I value what a different material would do for the sound and tactility.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Fri, 22 April 2016, 13:41:43
A little disappointed about the exclusion of the ALPS plate.
However, that just means I can use a more suitable material for blue ALPS. While I realise softer materials will disrupt the integrity of the ALPS mounting, I value what a different material would do for the sound and tactility.

I thought a lot about ALPS plate, but no idea better than this.
I probably can produce what you want (plastics, metals) and if you are looking for workshop, I can help you with that.
And like I said earlier, I'll share dxf on public soon. (But you know, you might change/redraw it's layout for your layout)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MassdropYanbo on Fri, 22 April 2016, 13:56:11
Not a big fan of massdrop either.  As the others have said, not a big fan of their process plus tax on top of the price.

Agreed. I stopped using massdrop awhile ago after a horrible customer service experience.

What happened? We do our best to make sure everyone is happy.
Title: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Fri, 22 April 2016, 15:00:10
Not a big fan of massdrop either.  As the others have said, not a big fan of their process plus tax on top of the price.

Agreed. I stopped using massdrop awhile ago after a horrible customer service experience.

What happened? We do our best to make sure everyone is happy.

Friend of mine waited months to get his TA shipment replaced, and the dimensions of the TA shipping box was way too big and didn't have sufficient padding.

MD said they will ship the replacement TA set, and two weeks later, still did not ship it, and my friend had to follow up on it himself.
So in this particular instance, not only did the MD rep lie about shipping, they also did not have it finally shipped out until months later.

If the same were to apply to a heavy aluminum keyboard, there is no doubt that it will arrive dented and damaged.

There will have to be heavy foam padding for the parts and no extra space in the box so the heavy but soft aluminum doesn't have room to slide around and dent itself.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: byker on Fri, 22 April 2016, 16:29:54
Not a big fan of massdrop either.  As the others have said, not a big fan of their process plus tax on top of the price.

Agreed. I stopped using massdrop awhile ago after a horrible customer service experience.

What happened? We do our best to make sure everyone is happy.

About two years ago, a product was shipped but never received. I emailed about 5 or 6 different Massdrop emails, but never received a reply. I was disappointed but not that upset as the product was only $20. I am less inclined to trust Massdrop for the purchase of a several hundred dollar keyboard, in which there is a lot more risk and time delay. Like I said, it was just a negative experience I had with a low value product, and although the customer service may be somewhat improved now, I have had friends with similar experiences to what Karura mentioned.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WOMBO on Fri, 22 April 2016, 17:19:43
I've never had an issue with Massdrop personally customer service wise, but packaging leaves something to be desired for keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MassdropYanbo on Fri, 22 April 2016, 19:05:18
Not a big fan of massdrop either.  As the others have said, not a big fan of their process plus tax on top of the price.

Agreed. I stopped using massdrop awhile ago after a horrible customer service experience.

What happened? We do our best to make sure everyone is happy.

About two years ago, a product was shipped but never received. I emailed about 5 or 6 different Massdrop emails, but never received a reply. I was disappointed but not that upset as the product was only $20. I am less inclined to trust Massdrop for the purchase of a several hundred dollar keyboard, in which there is a lot more risk and time delay. Like I said, it was just a negative experience I had with a low value product, and although the customer service may be somewhat improved now, I have had friends with similar experiences to what Karura mentioned.

I can't speak to anything from two years ago. Now our support system works off a ticket system. When there are issues we need the report to come from problem transaction. That way the support team can properly identify what happened and fix the issue for our members. If people try to reach out to support via email without an attached transaction, it is much harder to resolve. If it's something you want me to personally look into, you can PM me your transaction number and I'll see what I can find.

In terms of fulfillment for ANY items, we make sure people get exactly what they are looking for. When things do not go according to plan, we will make it right because at the end of the day, it's all about the community.


I've never had an issue with Massdrop personally customer service wise, but packaging leaves something to be desired for keycaps.
Which packaging it's always a factor of cost + quality. In the case of tray packaging, while it is light, it is also big. When this happens, the package actually ships under something called dimension weight, which costs more to ship. That's why a lot of times we default to baggies.

Finally, if anyone has concerns or anything else regarding Massdrop, Alex and I are always around and would love to chat in our vendor forum or over PM. Feel free to let us know your thoughts!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: CJD_Anthony on Fri, 22 April 2016, 21:35:51

Finally, if anyone has concerns or anything else regarding Massdrop, Alex and I are always around and would love to chat in our vendor forum or over PM. Feel free to let us know your thoughts!

hire me plz
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: AgentZen on Sat, 23 April 2016, 04:34:17
Wow, gosh. This keyboard looks like a dream. I have not ordered for massdrop but some of these warnings scare me. Still seriously considering though.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: calavera on Sat, 23 April 2016, 05:05:59
So alps plate was scratched, but the PCB will still support it?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: rpeterclark on Sat, 23 April 2016, 05:31:35
Wow, gosh. This keyboard looks like a dream. I have not ordered for massdrop but some of these warnings scare me. Still seriously considering though.

I wouldn't worry. I've ordered through them many times, only had a couple issues and they sorted those out quickly. The big incident in the community that left many vocal members here with a bad taste for MD was the TA keyset, which I think was a learning experience for everyone. It'll be fine.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: daviswalkers on Sat, 23 April 2016, 08:57:35
It's funny, when I read threads like the TX 1800, and all of Ivans threads people are all saying "screw GB's on here they're all scams lately" and "I'll only take part in massdrop drops at least with this I know I'll get something" now when someone hosts a GB on massdrop it's back to the classic "massdrop is the scum of the earth how dare they scratch my keycaps"  Go look at CtrlAlt's Hyperfuse GMK set, there are tons of pictures of scratched keycaps, and no one is throwing a fit about how bad they're doing with shipping, the double standards and hypocrisy is crazy here.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Jedi on Sat, 23 April 2016, 09:04:23
Forgetting who runs the buy (+1 for Massdrop) I'm just happy that Zefyr is supporting the community and is able to fulfill his dream to produce this.  When the buy happens (ahem drop) I will support it (and I hope others will as well).  I am interested in what his future project will be.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 23 April 2016, 09:30:30
It's funny, when I read threads like the TX 1800, and all of Ivans threads people are all saying "screw GB's on here they're all scams lately" and "I'll only take part in massdrop drops at least with this I know I'll get something" now when someone hosts a GB on massdrop it's back to the classic "massdrop is the scum of the earth how dare they scratch my keycaps"  Go look at CtrlAlt's Hyperfuse GMK set, there are tons of pictures of scratched keycaps, and no one is throwing a fit about how bad they're doing with shipping, the double standards and hypocrisy is crazy here.

Chill. You're on GeekHack, we can't agree on whether 2+2=4, forget consensus on such issues.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Jedi on Sat, 23 April 2016, 13:00:13
A couple of questions. 

1.  What stabilizers will be used? Cherry or Costar
2.  What is the legend layout for the keys?  Will you please provide a keyboard layout grid?
3.  Is the wrist rest you use in the video optional or just for display?
4.  What are the 3 lights on the left side of the left board (1:48/2:04 in the video shows a view of the leds on the top near VE.A)
5.  Will feet be offered?
6.  Will there be an angle tilt and if so, what angle degree?
7.  Will key switches be included with the kit?
8.  What is the weight of the two pieces in grams? 
9.  Will the switches be plate mounted?
10.  Does the PCB support key switch LEDs?
11.  Micro, mini, or USB-C connector and USB2.0 or USB3.0?
12.  What are the color options for the aluminum plates?

Thank you for your responses
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Sat, 23 April 2016, 13:49:00
I desperately hope that the little elevated wrist rests will still be included as an option in the drop
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: nguyenkimtam on Sat, 23 April 2016, 15:59:42
will in, but Massdrop is ....  :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Niomosy on Sat, 23 April 2016, 17:19:40
It's funny, when I read threads like the TX 1800, and all of Ivans threads people are all saying "screw GB's on here they're all scams lately" and "I'll only take part in massdrop drops at least with this I know I'll get something" now when someone hosts a GB on massdrop it's back to the classic "massdrop is the scum of the earth how dare they scratch my keycaps"  Go look at CtrlAlt's Hyperfuse GMK set, there are tons of pictures of scratched keycaps, and no one is throwing a fit about how bad they're doing with shipping, the double standards and hypocrisy is crazy here.

There's two groups on here; pro and anti Massdrop.  MassDrop is good but it's not perfect.  They need to work on their international distribution system.  Though I do admit, I prefer them for many group buys given the ease of having a commercial entity to deal with for purchases rather than dealing with some of the group buy gone wrong nightmares of self-hosted buys.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Sat, 23 April 2016, 17:31:54
A couple of questions. 

1.  What stabilizers will be used? Cherry or Costar
2.  What is the legend layout for the keys?  Will you please provide a keyboard layout grid?
3.  Is the wrist rest you use in the video optional or just for display?
4.  What are the 3 lights on the left side of the left board (1:48/2:04 in the video shows a view of the leds on the top near VE.A)
5.  Will feet be offered?
6.  Will there be an angle tilt and if so, what angle degree?
7.  Will key switches be included with the kit?
8.  What is the weight of the two pieces in grams? 
9.  Will the switches be plate mounted?
10.  Does the PCB support key switch LEDs?
11.  Micro, mini, or USB-C connector and USB2.0 or USB3.0?
12.  What are the color options for the aluminum plates?

Thank you for your responses

1. Cherry PCB mount is supported and the plate is cut for them.
2. It's reprogrammable but this is the basic layout (http://i.imgur.com/gjgytnL.png)
3. The rest is optional. No idea if it is in the drop, but it's cheap to cut yourself.
4. Lock indicators.
5. No idea
6. The rest allows for tenting. No idea about angles.
7. Knowing MassDrop, yes.
8. Approximately 1kg each.
9. Yes. A plate is required for assembly but there are PCB mounting holes for PCB mounted switches and possibly custom half plates.
10. Yes.
11. SATA for connecting each half and a mini USB
12. Likely the same as housing colours; black, silver, grey.

Definitely not a couple questions  :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Jedi on Sat, 23 April 2016, 19:13:54
Definitely not a couple questions  :confused:

Thanks FrostyToast, I had not read through the three threads related to this buy before asking, but hope it helps others too. 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: lol on Sat, 23 April 2016, 20:43:06
It's funny, when I read threads like the TX 1800, and all of Ivans threads people are all saying "screw GB's on here they're all scams lately" and "I'll only take part in massdrop drops at least with this I know I'll get something" now when someone hosts a GB on massdrop it's back to the classic "massdrop is the scum of the earth how dare they scratch my keycaps"  Go look at CtrlAlt's Hyperfuse GMK set, there are tons of pictures of scratched keycaps, and no one is throwing a fit about how bad they're doing with shipping, the double standards and hypocrisy is crazy here.

I think it's just obvious there are higher expectations for a company such as Massdrop compared to individuals.

I'm sitting here scammed well over $400 by Sprit's GB and was/am close to losing $50 in Hubble's. So ofc when I try Massdrop for the keycool numpad it goes to ****. I mean at least I got my money back on that one but I'm just saying you'd expect a company that has experience with groupbuys to check the goods are the right item before they ship them... Or maybe I'm just badluck for groupbuys considering my next attempt with Massdrop is the whitefox keyboard plagued by delays.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 25 April 2016, 01:20:35
A couple of questions. 

1.  What stabilizers will be used? Cherry or Costar
2.  What is the legend layout for the keys?  Will you please provide a keyboard layout grid?
3.  Is the wrist rest you use in the video optional or just for display?
4.  What are the 3 lights on the left side of the left board (1:48/2:04 in the video shows a view of the leds on the top near VE.A)
5.  Will feet be offered?
6.  Will there be an angle tilt and if so, what angle degree?
7.  Will key switches be included with the kit?
8.  What is the weight of the two pieces in grams? 
9.  Will the switches be plate mounted?
10.  Does the PCB support key switch LEDs?
11.  Micro, mini, or USB-C connector and USB2.0 or USB3.0?
12.  What are the color options for the aluminum plates?

Thank you for your responses



1.  What stabilizers will be used? Cherry or Costar
-- Cherry

2.  What is the legend layout for the keys?  Will you please provide a keyboard layout grid?
-- See IC thread head post, that's basic layout but you can remap.

3.  Is the wrist rest you use in the video optional or just for display?
-- I was gonna add it as option but there's some issues, so no solid plan yet.
-- But you always download design plan(dxf) and produce yourself.
-- I'll share english version of description soon on website.

4.  What are the 3 lights on the left side of the left board (1:48/2:04 in the video shows a view of the leds on the top near VE.A)
-- Lock indicators
-- winkeyless updated firmware to 1.2.0, it can customize Lock indicators as well (not much customization but yes it works)


5.  Will feet be offered?
-- No, just bumpon. (1.6mm)

6.  Will there be an angle tilt and if so, what angle degree?
-- No angle in basic form, you need stand.

7.  Will key switches be included with the kit?
-- Still working on establishing options, no solid plan yet.
-- But massdrop have access to switches so, it could be.


8.  What is the weight of the two pieces in grams? 
-- almost 1kg each when it fully assembled (keycaps, switches)


9.  Will the switches be plate mounted?
-- Yes it should be mounted, it's intended by design.


10.  Does the PCB support key switch LEDs?
-- Yes, It support in switch LEDs


11.  Micro, mini, or USB-C connector and USB2.0 or USB3.0?
-- mini USB


12.  What are the color options for the aluminum plates?
-- It's STS plate and color option is silver/black



If you want more information see thread head post :)
Thanks
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Tue, 26 April 2016, 20:37:55
Is it May yet?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Tue, 26 April 2016, 20:43:32
Is it May yet?

Soon.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160427/f872180c102c252485b123b61ef7dff9.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: garage_logician on Wed, 27 April 2016, 13:12:39
I have skimmed through this thread but I was not able to find a price.  I have joined the drop for an Ergodox but depending on price I think I might want to wait for this one.  But, that depends on what it is going to cost.  It looks like a great board, I am hoping it is not to expensive......

Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Wed, 27 April 2016, 13:14:49
I have skimmed through this thread but I was not able to find a price.  I have joined the drop for an Ergodox but depending on price I think I might want to wait for this one.  But, that depends on what it is going to cost.  It looks like a great board, I am hoping it is not to expensive......

Thanks!

Just a wild guess, but I'd say it'd be about double the price of the barebones Ergo.
Don't quote me on it, though!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Wed, 27 April 2016, 13:22:25
I have skimmed through this thread but I was not able to find a price.  I have joined the drop for an Ergodox but depending on price I think I might want to wait for this one.  But, that depends on what it is going to cost.  It looks like a great board, I am hoping it is not to expensive......

Thanks!

Just a wild guess, but I'd say it'd be about double the price of the barebones Ergo.
Don't quote me on it, though!
That's a good estimation. If you look at what it cost to run it in Korea and factor in the taxes and massdrops cut then it will be along the price you suggested.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: CJD_Anthony on Thu, 28 April 2016, 20:34:44
I have skimmed through this thread but I was not able to find a price.  I have joined the drop for an Ergodox but depending on price I think I might want to wait for this one.  But, that depends on what it is going to cost.  It looks like a great board, I am hoping it is not to expensive......

Thanks!

If you look at the first post, towards the end it says...


[2016-02-06] Price and Taxes
Former mentioned price range (which is 400~450) was not includes tax.
When I ran GB in Korea, it was considered as personal hobby thing.
And domestic wire-transfer doesn't bring any attraction of Taxation bureau.
But when I'm doing this with you -overseas- guys, that will ring the alarm.
I confirmed this from friends who is in overseas trading business.
So, I'm crunching numbers with my partner. (Man I didn't realize it's that complicated.)
Korean tax starts from 10% of VAT and there's additional income tax. plus PP fee.
When I calculated, that makes the price starts from 456USD minimum, God(Tax-an God) only knows how much higher it could be. the income tax can be up to 38%!!! I had no idea about it.
I'll try to keep it as low as I can. but here's where I'm standing now.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Mon, 02 May 2016, 23:53:41
It's May so we are getting closer to it launching
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Tue, 03 May 2016, 08:29:24
It's May so we are getting closer to it launching

WOOP WOOP!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 03 May 2016, 08:49:13
WOOP WOOP!

Let's rock
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: AgentZen on Tue, 03 May 2016, 22:54:41
My wallet is not ready yet
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Tue, 03 May 2016, 22:58:10
My wallet is not ready yet
How about your body?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Wed, 04 May 2016, 06:49:12
My wallet is not ready yet
How about your body?
The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: kenshinjeff on Sun, 08 May 2016, 10:13:31
Am I the only one who keeps refreshing MD?  :))
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: AgentZen on Sun, 08 May 2016, 11:09:25
Am I the only one who keeps refreshing MD?  :))

Nope, trying to keep a close eye myself.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ipreferpie on Tue, 10 May 2016, 13:33:55
If I use ALPS to MX stem adapters, how should I best specific my ALPS custom plate in the order? I'm planning on using DSA MX caps and can deal with the excess height. And any suggestions on which stabilizers to use?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 10 May 2016, 13:34:42
If I use ALPS to MX stem adapters, how should I best specific my ALPS custom plate in the order? I'm planning on using DSA MX caps and can deal with the excess height. And any suggestions on which stabilizers to use?

SP makes alps dsa caps I believe in black
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Khuya on Tue, 10 May 2016, 15:56:05
I am just sitting here drooling all over this knowing I can never afford it :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: AgentZen on Tue, 10 May 2016, 17:19:07
I am just sitting here drooling all over this knowing I can never afford it :(

Sell your body. You have enough time to make enough money. Just stay protected.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 10 May 2016, 23:41:57
If I use ALPS to MX stem adapters, how should I best specific my ALPS custom plate in the order? I'm planning on using DSA MX caps and can deal with the excess height. And any suggestions on which stabilizers to use?

Alps adapters will make original alps stabilizers not usable.
You have to search for another option I think.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ipreferpie on Wed, 11 May 2016, 01:55:29
If I use ALPS to MX stem adapters, how should I best specific my ALPS custom plate in the order? I'm planning on using DSA MX caps and can deal with the excess height. And any suggestions on which stabilizers to use?

Alps adapters will make original alps stabilizers not usable.
You have to search for another option I think.


Yes, that's true. I got "MX to MX adapters" as well. Basically, I can use them on MX stabilizers and add the height to match the ALPS to MX adapters. So is it possible to use ALPS switches and MX stabilizers of the PCB? And does it use Cherry or Costar in the VE.A?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 11 May 2016, 02:00:01
If I use ALPS to MX stem adapters, how should I best specific my ALPS custom plate in the order? I'm planning on using DSA MX caps and can deal with the excess height. And any suggestions on which stabilizers to use?

Where did you source the adapters from?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ipreferpie on Wed, 11 May 2016, 02:01:47
If I use ALPS to MX stem adapters, how should I best specific my ALPS custom plate in the order? I'm planning on using DSA MX caps and can deal with the excess height. And any suggestions on which stabilizers to use?

Where did you source the adapters from?


Here you go: http://www.shapeways.com/product/9J3P8UFW7/alps-to-mx-120-stems?optionId=56261645&li=more-from-shop
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dubious on Wed, 11 May 2016, 18:08:48
Am I the only one who keeps refreshing MD?  :))

Nope, trying to keep a close eye myself.

I've been doing the same thing all day!  :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 12 May 2016, 04:08:52
If I use ALPS to MX stem adapters, how should I best specific my ALPS custom plate in the order? I'm planning on using DSA MX caps and can deal with the excess height. And any suggestions on which stabilizers to use?

Alps adapters will make original alps stabilizers not usable.
You have to search for another option I think.


Yes, that's true. I got "MX to MX adapters" as well. Basically, I can use them on MX stabilizers and add the height to match the ALPS to MX adapters. So is it possible to use ALPS switches and MX stabilizers of the PCB? And does it use Cherry or Costar in the VE.A?

I think it's possible, but I didn't draw alps switch + mx stabilizers mounting plate.
VE.A uses Cherry stabilizers
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: litesung on Sat, 14 May 2016, 12:12:44
Can't wait to join in on this!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 14 May 2016, 12:20:50
it's coming very soon
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Sat, 14 May 2016, 12:31:53
How soon is now?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 14 May 2016, 12:35:33
How soon is now?

just wait it will be here soon before you know it
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: biocalves on Sat, 14 May 2016, 12:35:37
Will the stand be also part of the drop?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 14 May 2016, 13:02:46
Will the stand be also part of the drop?

I believe he's stated that it will not, but the plans will be provided
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Sat, 14 May 2016, 13:10:27
How soon is now?

just wait it will be here soon before you know it
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160514/3232ab9bffc0ce6fb9c59c2b66da7818.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Sat, 14 May 2016, 13:17:39
Smiths are overrated.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Sat, 14 May 2016, 13:50:59
Smiths are overrated.
Yes
What other song title could I use.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 16 May 2016, 00:09:33
Will the stand be also part of the drop?

I believe he's stated that it will not, but the plans will be provided

YES.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 16 May 2016, 00:10:10
How soon is now?

We are doing some final touch on drop page.
Almost set.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Mon, 16 May 2016, 00:14:12
We are doing some final touch on drop page.
Almost set.
Excited    :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: muon on Mon, 16 May 2016, 00:15:17
Hype!!!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Mon, 16 May 2016, 01:11:17
How soon is now?

We are doing some final touch on drop page.
Almost set.
Oh man
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Ryukuxyz on Mon, 16 May 2016, 01:41:04
So excited!!!  ;D Will this be on your site for purchase after MD?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WNovizar on Mon, 16 May 2016, 02:07:50
Apparently it will be sold on Massdrop. Man I can't get over with the fact that this will get to massdrop first and then to me in Indonesia, instead of sending me from Korea.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: kenshinjeff on Mon, 16 May 2016, 08:13:05
Anddd it's up on massdrop!

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ve-a?mode=guest_open
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Mon, 16 May 2016, 08:15:41
Anddd it's up on massdrop!

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ve-a?mode=guest_open

(http://i.imgur.com/Zw0jsKU.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Mon, 16 May 2016, 08:21:32
$400 is a little more than I'd thought for Massdrop, but on par for what u was assuming had it been run here. Might still join, though.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: kenshinjeff on Mon, 16 May 2016, 08:26:12
$400 is a little more than I'd thought for Massdrop, but on par for what u was assuming had it been run here. Might still join, though.

I just hope it reaches MOQ....
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FLFisherman on Mon, 16 May 2016, 08:28:38
$400 is a little more than I'd thought for Massdrop, but on par for what u was assuming had it been run here. Might still join, though.

I just hope it reaches MOQ....

Oh it most definitely will. I think it'll sell 150 units.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Mon, 16 May 2016, 08:30:04
$400 is a little more than I'd thought for Massdrop, but on par for what u was assuming had it been run here. Might still join, though.

I just hope it reaches MOQ....

It will, I have absolutely no doubt.  The price is definitely a barrier though, and without the left spacebar fix/option I think I'll have to sit this one out and hope for a V2 + R2.  Just hope that I don't regret it...   :-X
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Geekmie on Mon, 16 May 2016, 08:37:35
Only black, drak grey and silver for the case? I wish to have more options...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Mon, 16 May 2016, 08:57:00
Only black, drak grey and silver for the case? I wish to have more options...
Yeah, I'm lucky since I wanted black anyways, but the options are pretty limited.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 16 May 2016, 09:14:15
without the left spacebar fix/option I think I'll have to sit this one out and hope for a V2 + R2.

I've forgotten (or missed) what the left spacebar fix/option you are referring to is.  Can someone refresh my memory?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Mon, 16 May 2016, 09:16:42
Just ordered but are there any pics of the dark grey compared to the black? Can't decide. Also can we buy just the stabs? I've got plenty of Zealios.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Mon, 16 May 2016, 09:19:09
The base price is actually a bit lower than I expected
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Mon, 16 May 2016, 09:21:00
without the left spacebar fix/option I think I'll have to sit this one out and hope for a V2 + R2.

I've forgotten (or missed) what the left spacebar fix/option you are referring to is.  Can someone refresh my memory?

OMG Hoff is talking to me.  /swoon

Zefyr mentioned swapping the left spacebar and left Fn keys - or at least making it optional - for us left-hand spacers.  The Fn key in the default layout is exactly where I hit the spacebar on a typical ANSI 125 layout.  That change doesn't appear to have made it to the Massdrop version of the group buy.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Mon, 16 May 2016, 09:27:01
Zefyr mentioned swapping the left spacebar and left Fn keys - or at least making it optional - for us left-hand spacers.  The Fn key in the default layout is exactly where I hit the spacebar on a typical ANSI 125 layout.  That change doesn't appear to have made it to the Massdrop version of the group buy.
You made me check where I hit my spacebar. I think I end up just barely left of where the fn key is. If not then I have a bit of a learning curve ahead of me.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: limitz on Mon, 16 May 2016, 09:28:06
without the left spacebar fix/option I think I'll have to sit this one out and hope for a V2 + R2.

I've forgotten (or missed) what the left spacebar fix/option you are referring to is.  Can someone refresh my memory?

OMG Hoff is talking to me.  /swoon

Zefyr mentioned swapping the left spacebar and left Fn keys - or at least making it optional - for us left-hand spacers.  The Fn key in the default layout is exactly where I hit the spacebar on a typical ANSI 125 layout.  That change doesn't appear to have made it to the Massdrop version of the group buy.

Interesting. I'm a left hand spacer as well (though I'm right handed), and this is the first time I've noticed this, really critical fact.

Will either have to adjust ergonomically, or consider for the R2 as you say.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Mon, 16 May 2016, 09:38:35


Interesting. I'm a left hand spacer as well (though I'm right handed), and this is the first time I've noticed this, really critical fact.

Will either have to adjust ergonomically, or consider for the R2 as you say.
I guess there's also the option of mapping that fn to space, though that's not ideal.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Mon, 16 May 2016, 09:38:50
OMG Hoff is talking to me.  /swoon

Doesn't it feel good when senpai notices you?

Zefyr mentioned swapping the left spacebar and left Fn keys - or at least making it optional - for us left-hand spacers.  The Fn key in the default layout is exactly where I hit the spacebar on a typical ANSI 125 layout.  That change doesn't appear to have made it to the Massdrop version of the group buy.

I'm fine with the left space bar where it is as I almost never hit it with my left thumb (hit it twice with my left thumb while typing this), so I guess I'm good to go. I see no other compatibility issues I'd change, other than the top Backspace into two buttons as I prefer the HHKB/Unix Backspace instead.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Mon, 16 May 2016, 10:09:11
Ordered, beyond excited  ;D

Also-----very very happy to see the stand as an add-on!  :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 10:23:53
Looks like the etched cap set has legends just for this board which is really cool!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:13:52
without the left spacebar fix/option I think I'll have to sit this one out and hope for a V2 + R2.

I've forgotten (or missed) what the left spacebar fix/option you are referring to is.  Can someone refresh my memory?

OMG Hoff is talking to me.  /swoon

Zefyr mentioned swapping the left spacebar and left Fn keys - or at least making it optional - for us left-hand spacers.  The Fn key in the default layout is exactly where I hit the spacebar on a typical ANSI 125 layout.  That change doesn't appear to have made it to the Massdrop version of the group buy.

Oooooh, that makes sense.  Thanks!  I usually hit the spacebar on what appears to be the far right side of the current left space position.  Hmm... Will need to think about this a bit.  Maybe I'll just have to train myself to use the spacebar "properly".  :))
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ccc24 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:17:45
Does everything on the pcb come pre-soldered? All we have to do is solder on switches correct?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: biocalves on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:35:03
Is buying the Gateron switches the cheapest way to get the number of stabilizers I need for this board? Description says a set of 8 stabilizers, which I assume are all 2u, and the only place I know where to get PCB mounted Cherry stabs are from zeal at $10 for a set of 4 x 2u and a 1x 6.25u, which would mean I would need to buy two sets, which is basically the same price as Gat switches plus stabs from the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:37:17
Is buying the Gateron switches the cheapest way to get the number of stabilizers I need for this board? Description says a set of 8 stabilizers, which I assume are all 2u, and the only place I know where to get PCB mounted Cherry stabs are from zeal at $10 for a set of 4 x 2u and a 1x 6.25u, which would mean I would need to buy two sets, which is basically the same price as Gat switches plus stabs from the GB.

probably.  I am going to just sell the switches since they don't offer the ones I want to use with it :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: biocalves on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:40:23
Is buying the Gateron switches the cheapest way to get the number of stabilizers I need for this board? Description says a set of 8 stabilizers, which I assume are all 2u, and the only place I know where to get PCB mounted Cherry stabs are from zeal at $10 for a set of 4 x 2u and a 1x 6.25u, which would mean I would need to buy two sets, which is basically the same price as Gat switches plus stabs from the GB.

probably.  I am going to just sell the switches since they don't offer the ones I want to use with it :(

Yeah likewise. Want to try 67g or 78g Zealios to see what the fuss is about.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:55:26
So, we're pretty sure there will be an R2?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: biocalves on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:58:05
So, we're pretty sure there will be an R2?

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ve-a (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ve-a)

Right now.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ika on Mon, 16 May 2016, 11:59:03
Left spacebar arrangement is a real killer for me and what I assume is also a problem for what I'm guessing is about half the population that uses left thumbs for spacebar. Will have to pass on this, unfortunately.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Mon, 16 May 2016, 12:01:37
So, we're pretty sure there will be an R2?

How so? R1 just hit the western market this morning.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: adamski07 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 12:05:54
Any option to get the stabilizers without buying any keys?

Sent from my ONE A2005 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: AgentZen on Mon, 16 May 2016, 12:11:05
Is the massdrop buy limited in spots? Would really like to know.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Elaeagnifolia on Mon, 16 May 2016, 12:27:22
Is the massdrop buy limited in spots? Would really like to know.

It's not mentioned on the Massdrop page, and I believe zefyr mentioned a few pages back that there weren't any plans to limit quantity. So, I'm pretty sure that means it's not limited.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 12:46:43
anyone interested, this is the silver color:

http://imgur.com/a/yBTm0

Oddforge.com has pics of the dark grey

massdrop has black pics

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Mon, 16 May 2016, 12:58:52
anyone interested, this is the silver color:

http://imgur.com/a/yBTm0

Oddforge.com has pics of the dark grey

massdrop has black pics

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Pretty much what you'd expect clear anodized aluminum to look like.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: megaforce93 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 12:59:09
Any option to get the stabilizers without buying any keys?

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+1, Or maybe more Zealios options?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Mon, 16 May 2016, 13:01:46
So, we're pretty sure there will be an R2?

How so? R1 just hit the western market this morning.

Zefyr has hinted at a version 2 (or 1.01, or whatever) to incorporate some of the feedback and changes from the English-speaking communities.  Version 2 sort of implies a Round 2 group buy, but it might be fair to call it wild speculation at this point.  We're only hoping for a R2.  Nothing is confirmed.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: litster on Mon, 16 May 2016, 13:12:21
Any picture of the dark silver color?  Will the palm rest match the case color or is the palm rest always black like the pictures on MD?  Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dubious on Mon, 16 May 2016, 13:17:20
anyone interested, this is the silver color:

http://imgur.com/a/yBTm0

Oddforge.com has pics of the dark grey

massdrop has black pics

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Thanks for posting pics of the silver version! The pics on oddforge appear to show the dark grey version, but it's pretty hard to make out.

I've already pored over all the pictures on Massdrop, and in this thread... Anyone know other good places I can drool over pictures before I get mine!?  :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Mon, 16 May 2016, 13:35:33
anyone interested, this is the silver color:

http://imgur.com/a/yBTm0

Oddforge.com has pics of the dark grey

massdrop has black pics

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Thanks for posting pics of the silver version! The pics on oddforge appear to show the dark grey version, but it's pretty hard to make out.

I've already pored over all the pictures on Massdrop, and in this thread... Anyone know other good places I can drool over pictures before I get mine!?  :p

A few popped up in the Korean Keyboards thread over in GH Media starting around page 155.  Note that the colors posted aren't part of the current drop.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35864.7700

My fav:
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1581/26026377344_4b47e24843_b.jpg)
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1508/26632164225_8dda138c35_b.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: biocalves on Mon, 16 May 2016, 13:41:10
anyone interested, this is the silver color:

http://imgur.com/a/yBTm0

Oddforge.com has pics of the dark grey

massdrop has black pics

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Thanks for posting pics of the silver version! The pics on oddforge appear to show the dark grey version, but it's pretty hard to make out.

I've already pored over all the pictures on Massdrop, and in this thread... Anyone know other good places I can drool over pictures before I get mine!?  :p

I thought MD had pictures of the Dark Grey version where they lay out the plate in the complete case?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mason on Mon, 16 May 2016, 13:43:27
I joined for Dark Gray  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: redbanshee on Mon, 16 May 2016, 14:10:52
In for 2 kits, so excited about this!!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Mon, 16 May 2016, 14:13:03
In for 2 kits, so excited about this!!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
What are you planning each board to have?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: redbanshee on Mon, 16 May 2016, 14:16:57
In for 2 kits, so excited about this!!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
What are you planning each board to have?

Well, not exactly sure yet what switches, was thinking about doing 55g gateron tactile lubed etc on one. Not sure about the other one yet. No way in hell im using stock switches on these!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 16 May 2016, 14:20:02
In for 2 kits, so excited about this!!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
What are you planning each board to have?

Well, not exactly sure yet what switches, was thinking about doing 55g gateron tactile lubed etc on one. Not sure about the other one yet. No way in hell im using stock switches on these!

Come on, you know some stock Kailh red switches and TaiHao ABS keycaps would really make it shine ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Mon, 16 May 2016, 14:43:26
It's unfortunate that no Alps plates were included with this buy (or seemingly included with the original Korean GB), but that just means I'll have time to pad up funds for one in the future. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: redbanshee on Mon, 16 May 2016, 14:52:18

Come on, you know some stock Kailh red switches and TaiHao ABS keycaps would really make it shine ;)

De-soldered razer greens maybe? With a side of deformed G20 caps?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 16 May 2016, 15:21:08

Come on, you know some stock Kailh red switches and TaiHao ABS keycaps would really make it shine ;)

De-soldered razer greens maybe? With a side of deformed G20 caps?

One can only dream of such glory.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 16 May 2016, 15:49:40
In for 2 kits, so excited about this!!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

One of those is for me, right?  :))

But seriously... holy crap!  2? I can afford one... but I'd have to deal with angry wife with the amount I've spent on keyboard stuff recently.  2 and I'd be sleeping in the doghouse.  Literally!  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dubious on Mon, 16 May 2016, 15:52:39
anyone interested, this is the silver color:

http://imgur.com/a/yBTm0

Oddforge.com has pics of the dark grey

massdrop has black pics

 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Thanks for posting pics of the silver version! The pics on oddforge appear to show the dark grey version, but it's pretty hard to make out.

I've already pored over all the pictures on Massdrop, and in this thread... Anyone know other good places I can drool over pictures before I get mine!?  :p

A few popped up in the Korean Keyboards thread over in GH Media starting around page 155.  Note that the colors posted aren't part of the current drop.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35864.7700

My fav:
Show Image
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1581/26026377344_4b47e24843_b.jpg)

Show Image
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1508/26632164225_8dda138c35_b.jpg)


Thx Data! I knew I had seen more pics around here somewhere...

There's also hkf's build log:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80849.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80849.0)

Googling for Vergo type.T-II PCB returned some good results too
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: redbanshee on Mon, 16 May 2016, 16:11:49
In for 2 kits, so excited about this!!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

One of those is for me, right?  :))

But seriously... holy crap!  2? I can afford one... but I'd have to deal with angry wife with the amount I've spent on keyboard stuff recently.  2 and I'd be sleeping in the doghouse.  Literally!  :eek:

I sold so many nice builds for this. I dont put new money back into the hobby anymore (or at least try not to), I just sell stuff to make new stuff.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Mon, 16 May 2016, 17:11:06
The left spacebar arrangement is now making me reconsider. I'm pretty sure I use my left hand but I'll wait till I'm home.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 16 May 2016, 17:28:16
In for 2 kits, so excited about this!!  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

One of those is for me, right?  :))

But seriously... holy crap!  2? I can afford one... but I'd have to deal with angry wife with the amount I've spent on keyboard stuff recently.  2 and I'd be sleeping in the doghouse.  Literally!  :eek:

I sold so many nice builds for this. I dont put new money back into the hobby anymore (or at least try not to), I just sell stuff to make new stuff.
OK,  now you're smarter than me.   Have fun with builds and make more money from it :)

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Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ipreferpie on Mon, 16 May 2016, 18:31:21
It's unfortunate that no Alps plates were included with this buy (or seemingly included with the original Korean GB), but that just means I'll have time to pad up funds for one in the future. :thumb:

Just talked to Zef on email and he says a separate order form will be up soon for ALPS plates. So it should be ok to order away :) can't decide to put SKCM blues, SKCL  Browns or SKCM Browns on this yet!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Mon, 16 May 2016, 18:34:27
It's unfortunate that no Alps plates were included with this buy (or seemingly included with the original Korean GB), but that just means I'll have time to pad up funds for one in the future. :thumb:

Just talked to Zef on email and he says a separate order form will be up soon for ALPS plates. So it should be ok to order away :) can't decide to put SKCM blues, SKCL  Browns or SKCM Browns on this yet!

Oh, hot dog!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: kenshinjeff on Mon, 16 May 2016, 19:58:47
This plate design, doesn't support top switch removal right?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:00:06
It's unfortunate that no Alps plates were included with this buy (or seemingly included with the original Korean GB), but that just means I'll have time to pad up funds for one in the future. :thumb:

Just talked to Zef on email and he says a separate order form will be up soon for ALPS plates. So it should be ok to order away :) can't decide to put SKCM blues, SKCL  Browns or SKCM Browns on this yet!

Oh, hot dog!

Cherry baby
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:23:45
It's unfortunate that no Alps plates were included with this buy (or seemingly included with the original Korean GB), but that just means I'll have time to pad up funds for one in the future. :thumb:

Just talked to Zef on email and he says a separate order form will be up soon for ALPS plates. So it should be ok to order away :) can't decide to put SKCM blues, SKCL  Browns or SKCM Browns on this yet!

Well that's good to hear, though not so much for my wallet. Damn, not sure if I'll be able to squeeze this one.

Oh, did you get that other Tandem board from XMIT or did you find SKCL Browns from another keyboard? :P
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:24:54
It's unfortunate that no Alps plates were included with this buy (or seemingly included with the original Korean GB), but that just means I'll have time to pad up funds for one in the future. :thumb:

Just talked to Zef on email and he says a separate order form will be up soon for ALPS plates. So it should be ok to order away :) can't decide to put SKCM blues, SKCL  Browns or SKCM Browns on this yet!

Oh, did you get that other Tandem board from XMIT or did you find SKCL Browns from another keyboard? :P

You're not selling your alps?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ipreferpie on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:35:55
It's unfortunate that no Alps plates were included with this buy (or seemingly included with the original Korean GB), but that just means I'll have time to pad up funds for one in the future. :thumb:

Just talked to Zef on email and he says a separate order form will be up soon for ALPS plates. So it should be ok to order away :) can't decide to put SKCM blues, SKCL  Browns or SKCM Browns on this yet!

Well that's good to hear, though not so much for my wallet. Damn, not sure if I'll be able to squeeze this one.

Oh, did you get that other Tandem board from XMIT or did you find SKCL Browns from another keyboard? :P

Got them from an ALPS64 board from r/Mk :) any interest in trading for some skcm neon greens?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:41:39
Got them from an ALPS64 board from r/Mk :) any interest in trading for some skcm neon greens?

Oh, so you were the one who got that one! Yeah, definitely some rare switches that are on par with neon greens in terms of how rare they are, I think. Neons might be a little more rare, but SKCL Browns are unicorns too for sure.

I thankfully have enough for a build I have in mind, haha. I don't think I need any Alps switch trades, sorry. :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:45:44
Got them from an ALPS64 board from r/Mk :) any interest in trading for some skcm neon greens?

Oh, so you were the one who got that one! Yeah, definitely some rare switches that are on par with neon greens in terms of how rare they are, I think. Neons might be a little more rare, but SKCL Browns are unicorns too for sure.

I thankfully have enough for a build I have in mind, haha. I don't think I need any Alps switch trades, sorry. :(


Bruh that project is gonna be sweet
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:57:37
Announcement from oddforge

We tried to make all of you happy.
But time is short.
I got sample PCB of swappable spacebar version yesterday.
If I didn't make mistake. This PCB will included in THIS GB.
And this PCB also support ISO layout.
Wish me luck guys.

And tje sample on Massdrop is Darkgray

The sample on Massdrop is "BLACK"
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: trizkut on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:58:35
Announcement from oddforge

We tried to make all of you happy.
But time is short.
I got sample PCB of swappable spacebar version yesterday.
If I didn't make mistake. This PCB will included in THIS GB.
And this PCB also support ISO layout.
Wish me luck guys.

 :thumb:  Good luck!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:59:04
Yes! Ha Ha! That's great. Thanks, zefyr.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: limitz on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:59:10
Announcement from oddforge

We tried to make all of you happy.
But time is short.
I got sample PCB of swappable spacebar version yesterday.
If I didn't make mistake. This PCB will included in THIS GB.
And this PCB also support ISO layout.
Wish me luck guys.

O.O

Much love. I'm definitely in then.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WNovizar on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:15:10
Announcement from oddforge

We tried to make all of you happy.
But time is short.
I got sample PCB of swappable spacebar version yesterday.
If I didn't make mistake. This PCB will included in THIS GB.
And this PCB also support ISO layout.
Wish me luck guys.

And tje sample on Massdrop is Darkgray

Goddamn! I jut canceled it on Massdrop because of that spacebar issue, now I am thinking on joining the drop again lol!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: AgentZen on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:22:09
Announcement from oddforge

We tried to make all of you happy.
But time is short.
I got sample PCB of swappable spacebar version yesterday.
If I didn't make mistake. This PCB will included in THIS GB.
And this PCB also support ISO layout.
Wish me luck guys.

O.O

Much love. I'm definitely in then.

Also in, keeping my fingers crossed for swappable spacebar PCB. If I go through with this I swear to you I am never buying another keyboard. MARK MY WORDS BOYS.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:35:16
OP delivers. Great work Zefer!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:46:40
OP delivers. Great work Zefer!

I don't understand what's the meaning of "OP delivers."
Hey I have to learn more, which is great.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:48:02
OP delivers. Great work Zefer!

I don't understand what's the meaning of "OP delivers."
Hey I have to learn more, which is great.
Original poster
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:48:34
Will the other colors be available in a future GB?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WNovizar on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:50:51
OP delivers. Great work Zefer!

I don't understand what's the meaning of "OP delivers."
Hey I have to learn more, which is great.

"OP (means Original Poster, which is you) delivers" means that you are listening to our request, and makes us happy for that. That said, I still hope you are offering direct delivery from you to people who are living in at least Asia, and to some extent in Europe. As Massdrop will declare original value of goods when they ship a package, us living in Asia and Europe will get burned by Import Tax.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:52:13
Will the other colors be available in a future GB?

Sorry my friend, that limited color options was a promise for 1Round friends and their advantage.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: VentureG on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:56:04
...That said, I still hope you are offering direct delivery from you to people who are living in at least Asia, and to some extent in Europe. As Massdrop will declare original value of goods when they ship a package, us living in Asia and Europe will get burned by Import Tax.

Lunaris said shipping to China was as only 22 dollars. I don't know how value will be declared but there's some hope.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:03:04
Will the other colors be available in a future GB?

Sorry my friend, that limited color options was a promise for 1Round friends and their advantage.
That's fair. But we will see different colors in future runs, right?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:05:21
OP delivers. Great work Zefer!

I don't understand what's the meaning of "OP delivers."
Hey I have to learn more, which is great.

"OP (means Original Poster, which is you) delivers" means that you are listening to our request, and makes us happy for that. That said, I still hope you are offering direct delivery from you to people who are living in at least Asia, and to some extent in Europe. As Massdrop will declare original value of goods when they ship a package, us living in Asia and Europe will get burned by Import Tax.

Thanks!

Shipping and tax import tax actually not that different with direct shipping.
I sent 3 sets to Malaysia before and that was almost 50USD, I have no idea what shipping price do you see but in my opinion, this is quite fair
I see 20.25 USD for shipping to ROK.
And if I ship it directly, there's no way to avoid import tax. I will not offer undervalue at all.

And man... I have to solder all-night ... wish me luck.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:07:30
Will the other colors be available in a future GB?

Sorry my friend, that limited color options was a promise for 1Round friends and their advantage.
That's fair. But we will see different colors in future runs, right?

What future runs?
I cannot promise there will be.
This one-time thing almost kill me man.
But yeh... I set it up things already, there might be. I donno.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:08:16
Will the other colors be available in a future GB?

Sorry my friend, that limited color options was a promise for 1Round friends and their advantage.
That's fair. But we will see different colors in future runs, right?

What future runs?
I cannot promise there will be.
This one-time thing almost kill me man.
But yeh... I set it up things already, there might be. I donno.
Ah I see. Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WNovizar on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:08:28
...That said, I still hope you are offering direct delivery from you to people who are living in at least Asia, and to some extent in Europe. As Massdrop will declare original value of goods when they ship a package, us living in Asia and Europe will get burned by Import Tax.

Lunaris said shipping to China was as only 22 dollars. I don't know how value will be declared but there's some hope.

This drop will ship first to Massdrop HQ in US first, and then they will ship to the rest of the world (US, EU, Asia etc). Shipping cost would be good, the main problem is Import Tax.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:10:27
OP delivers. Great work Zefer!

I don't understand what's the meaning of "OP delivers."
Hey I have to learn more, which is great.

"OP (means Original Poster, which is you) delivers" means that you are listening to our request, and makes us happy for that. That said, I still hope you are offering direct delivery from you to people who are living in at least Asia, and to some extent in Europe. As Massdrop will declare original value of goods when they ship a package, us living in Asia and Europe will get burned by Import Tax.

Thanks!

Shipping and tax import tax actually not that different with direct shipping.
I sent 3 sets to Malaysia before and that was almost 50USD, I have no idea what shipping price do you see but in my opinion, this is quite fair
I see 20.25 USD for shipping to ROK.
And if I ship it directly, there's no way to avoid import tax. I will not offer undervalue at all.

And man... I have to solder all-night ... wish me luck.


Good luck!!! I just spent five hours doing smd soldering T_T
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Chewypost on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:11:13
I'm worried about import tax too. I'm from Canada, but it still hits like a brick.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:55:21
I'm worried about import tax too. I'm from Canada, but it still hits like a brick.

I am really sorry that I can not do anything for you. This sucks.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: calavera on Mon, 16 May 2016, 23:29:26
So what about ppl who are in Korea. Can a direct shipping be arranged to bypass the extra shipping/import tax bs?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: gadzkun on Mon, 16 May 2016, 23:35:07
this is the only reason i hate massdrop.
they cant lower the price for custom declaration.
in my country i will get about $100 import tax, from $400++ items.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Karura on Mon, 16 May 2016, 23:38:06
I'm worried about import tax too. I'm from Canada, but it still hits like a brick.

Yeah this is a major concern with Massdrop whenever, so I guess only US people can buy, because everyone else not in the US will die from the shipping and customs fees.

Oh well, I was really excited about this. Base price + overpriced shipping + customs fees + slow and mediocre shipping = not good.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Mon, 16 May 2016, 23:40:39
this is the only reason i hate massdrop.
they cant lower the price for custom declaration.
in my country i will get about $100 import tax, from $400++ items.
Isn't that illegal?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Mon, 16 May 2016, 23:47:47
this is the only reason i hate massdrop.
they cant lower the price for custom declaration.
in my country i will get about $100 import tax, from $400++ items.
Isn't that illegal?

That's what I always thought. Isn't it wrong to put the wrong amount? That puts the fault on the seller.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 16 May 2016, 23:48:51
this is the only reason i hate massdrop.
they cant lower the price for custom declaration.
in my country i will get about $100 import tax, from $400++ items.
Isn't that illegal?

It is.
Between individuals it isn't a big deal but for an entity like massdrop it won't slide.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Mon, 16 May 2016, 23:52:55
this is the only reason i hate massdrop.
they cant lower the price for custom declaration.
in my country i will get about $100 import tax, from $400++ items.
Isn't that illegal?

That's what I always thought. Isn't it wrong to put the wrong amount? That puts the fault on the seller.
That's right. MD has no reason to take the risk for the buyer.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 23:54:15
this is the only reason i hate massdrop.
they cant lower the price for custom declaration.
in my country i will get about $100 import tax, from $400++ items.
Isn't that illegal?

It is.
Between individuals it isn't a big deal but for an entity like massdrop it won't slide.

One of the reasons I don't like shopping internationally.  Friend has some issues happen to him that resulted from false customs declarations
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 17 May 2016, 00:01:36
So what about ppl who are in Korea. Can a direct shipping be arranged to bypass the extra shipping/import tax bs?

This is not official, please keep it in mind.

When production ends, there will be some leftovers like bad-production parts and so on.
I'll sell it after massdrop gb ends(not in a official form), but I cannot tell you what number it would be (quantity nor price either. because I don't know yet.)
If one piece is in a bad-quality, I have to sell almost 12~13 pieces to make it even.
So, to avoid ends up in minus wallet, I have sell leftovers. and That's all.
I want to be fair. I absolutely don't want to make guys in this drop disappointed by doing better, another GB.
That's why I removed green/gold options in this GB to give advantages to 1Round guys.
There will not be another GB outside of Massdrop this time.
And I already said, I don't guarantee another round for VE.A.

Man... International GB is too much for me.
I spent almost 3 months to set this up. Of course, my partner and Massdrop guys helps a lot.
But my stress is all mine. And I bet some of you(who ran GB before) knows GB is not that enjoyable.
There's many sorts of guys in this world (I mean custom keyboard world, geeks)
It's definitely impossible to make everyone happy. (At least for me yes, not possible)

Guys, I have a job and three mouth to feed except mine.
Of course, I have consciousness of being professional in this field, this(custom keyboard) is my side-job too now. I know that really well.
(And that hurts... cause I want to leave as a hobbyist. Some of you might think me as a hypocrite but well, I have no other word to explain my stand clearly.)
Just hoping guys who are in this GB feels happy about it. That's all I want.
Meh........ you know that's not all. (I not gonna lie, haha. plus a little fame and money too, and mostly friends can talk about custom keyboard with.)

Oops, I hope I didn't said too much. :)
Hoping your kindest consideration and supports.
Thanks geeks, you guys rock.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Tue, 17 May 2016, 00:05:49
Haha look at the honesty at the end. You will definitely leave a lot of people happy with your product!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 17 May 2016, 00:06:25
So what about ppl who are in Korea. Can a direct shipping be arranged to bypass the extra shipping/import tax bs?

This is not official, please keep it in mind.

When production ends, there will be some leftovers like bad-production parts and so on.
I'll sell it after massdrop gb ends(not in a official form), but I cannot tell you what number it would be (quantity nor price either. because I don't know yet.)
If one piece is in a bad-quality, I have to sell almost 12~13 pieces to make it even.
So, to avoid ends up in minus wallet, I have sell leftovers. and That's all.
I want to be fair. I absolutely don't want to make guys in this drop disappointed by doing better, another GB.
That's why I removed green/gold options in this GB to give advantages to 1Round guys.
There will not be another GB outside of Massdrop this time.
And I already said, I don't guarantee another round for VE.A.

Man... International GB is too much for me.
I spent almost 3 months to set this up. Of course, my partner and Massdrop guys helps a lot.
But my stress is all mine. And I bet some of you(who ran GB before) knows GB is not that enjoyable.
There's many sorts of guys in this world (I mean custom keyboard world, geeks)
It's definitely impossible to make everyone happy. (At least for me yes, not possible)

Guys, I have a job and three mouth to feed except mine.
Of course, I have consciousness of being professional in this field, this(custom keyboard) is my side-job too now. I know that really well.
(And that hurts... cause I want to leave as a hobbyist. Some of you might think me as a hypocrite but well, I have no other word to explain my stand clearly.)
Just hoping guys who are in this GB feels happy about it. That's all I want.
Meh........ you know that's not all. (I not gonna lie, haha. plus a little fame and money too, and mostly friends can talk about custom keyboard with.)

Oops, I hope I didn't said too much. :)
Hoping your kindest consideration and supports.
Thanks geeks, you guys rock.

Hey, try not to stress too terribly much! Focus on life and happiness first. If there's one thing we've all learned, it's that group buys take time.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: gadzkun on Tue, 17 May 2016, 00:10:45
this is the only reason i hate massdrop.
they cant lower the price for custom declaration.
in my country i will get about $100 import tax, from $400++ items.
Isn't that illegal?

That's what I always thought. Isn't it wrong to put the wrong amount? That puts the fault on the seller.

what if artisan put a real price on custom declaration? :(
but $300+ clacks wont hurt so bad :p

goodluck guys its an awesome keyboard for sure  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: WNovizar on Tue, 17 May 2016, 00:59:35
So what about ppl who are in Korea. Can a direct shipping be arranged to bypass the extra shipping/import tax bs?

This is not official, please keep it in mind.

When production ends, there will be some leftovers like bad-production parts and so on.
I'll sell it after massdrop gb ends(not in a official form), but I cannot tell you what number it would be (quantity nor price either. because I don't know yet.)
If one piece is in a bad-quality, I have to sell almost 12~13 pieces to make it even.
So, to avoid ends up in minus wallet, I have sell leftovers. and That's all.
I want to be fair. I absolutely don't want to make guys in this drop disappointed by doing better, another GB.
That's why I removed green/gold options in this GB to give advantages to 1Round guys.
There will not be another GB outside of Massdrop this time.
And I already said, I don't guarantee another round for VE.A.

Man... International GB is too much for me.
I spent almost 3 months to set this up. Of course, my partner and Massdrop guys helps a lot.
But my stress is all mine. And I bet some of you(who ran GB before) knows GB is not that enjoyable.
There's many sorts of guys in this world (I mean custom keyboard world, geeks)
It's definitely impossible to make everyone happy. (At least for me yes, not possible)

Guys, I have a job and three mouth to feed except mine.
Of course, I have consciousness of being professional in this field, this(custom keyboard) is my side-job too now. I know that really well.
(And that hurts... cause I want to leave as a hobbyist. Some of you might think me as a hypocrite but well, I have no other word to explain my stand clearly.)
Just hoping guys who are in this GB feels happy about it. That's all I want.
Meh........ you know that's not all. (I not gonna lie, haha. plus a little fame and money too, and mostly friends can talk about custom keyboard with.)

Oops, I hope I didn't said too much. :)
Hoping your kindest consideration and supports.
Thanks geeks, you guys rock.

No hard feelings man, as my fellow countryman gadzkun said, this will have additional USD100 price markup for Import Tax, so I will have to consider that if I want to join this drop.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 17 May 2016, 01:11:11
Love it but with a few financial priorities popping up, looks like I'll have to pass on this one.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MassdropYanbo on Tue, 17 May 2016, 01:37:23
So what about ppl who are in Korea. Can a direct shipping be arranged to bypass the extra shipping/import tax bs?

This is not official, please keep it in mind.

When production ends, there will be some leftovers like bad-production parts and so on.
I'll sell it after massdrop gb ends(not in a official form), but I cannot tell you what number it would be (quantity nor price either. because I don't know yet.)
If one piece is in a bad-quality, I have to sell almost 12~13 pieces to make it even.
So, to avoid ends up in minus wallet, I have sell leftovers. and That's all.
I want to be fair. I absolutely don't want to make guys in this drop disappointed by doing better, another GB.
That's why I removed green/gold options in this GB to give advantages to 1Round guys.
There will not be another GB outside of Massdrop this time.
And I already said, I don't guarantee another round for VE.A.

Man... International GB is too much for me.
I spent almost 3 months to set this up. Of course, my partner and Massdrop guys helps a lot.
But my stress is all mine. And I bet some of you(who ran GB before) knows GB is not that enjoyable.
There's many sorts of guys in this world (I mean custom keyboard world, geeks)
It's definitely impossible to make everyone happy. (At least for me yes, not possible)

Guys, I have a job and three mouth to feed except mine.
Of course, I have consciousness of being professional in this field, this(custom keyboard) is my side-job too now. I know that really well.
(And that hurts... cause I want to leave as a hobbyist. Some of you might think me as a hypocrite but well, I have no other word to explain my stand clearly.)
Just hoping guys who are in this GB feels happy about it. That's all I want.
Meh........ you know that's not all. (I not gonna lie, haha. plus a little fame and money too, and mostly friends can talk about custom keyboard with.)

Oops, I hope I didn't said too much. :)
Hoping your kindest consideration and supports.
Thanks geeks, you guys rock.

Thank you for being so awesome and patient while we sent everything up the past few months, you've put a lot of thought into this project and we love working with thoughtful people like you and your partner.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Tue, 17 May 2016, 06:48:50
Announcement from oddforge

We tried to make all of you happy.
But time is short.
I got sample PCB of swappable spacebar version yesterday.
If I didn't make mistake. This PCB will included in THIS GB.
And this PCB also support ISO layout.
Wish me luck guys.

And tje sample on Massdrop is Darkgray

(http://i.imgur.com/GfWJXUh.gif)

This is amazing.

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 17 May 2016, 07:16:51
Announcement from oddforge

We tried to make all of you happy.
But time is short.
I got sample PCB of swappable spacebar version yesterday.
If I didn't make mistake. This PCB will included in THIS GB.
And this PCB also support ISO layout.
Wish me luck guys.

And tje sample on Massdrop is Darkgray

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GfWJXUh.gif)


This is amazing.

Thank you Data on MD +1 :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 17 May 2016, 10:14:31
Man... I know I have to solder sample PCB...
But my stomach hurts, and I feel dizzy... it was really hard to drive home, I almost threw up...
Sorry guys, I have to lie down for a while.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Delirious on Tue, 17 May 2016, 10:38:48
Hello zefyr,

I see that the pcb has Alps mount holes, will you be able to release Alps plate design if I want to get it cut independently?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 17 May 2016, 10:41:12
Hello zefyr,

I see that the pcb has Alps mount holes, will you be able to release Alps plate design if I want to get it cut independently?

Yes, I will
Please wait for a while I have pile of things to do right now.
I promise I'll share dxf plate design file on public before you get your VE.A.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Vimto on Tue, 17 May 2016, 10:42:03
If the pics on massdrop are dark grey. Are there any pics of the black?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 17 May 2016, 10:48:42
If the pics on massdrop are dark grey. Are there any pics of the black?

Oh I had a BAAAAAAAD MISTAKE.

That photo on Massdrop is "BLACK"
Massdrop guys will update more photo for silver and darkgray.

This is DarkGray
http://oddforge.com/product/vea_assembly
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Tue, 17 May 2016, 10:49:48
Black looks sexy!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 17 May 2016, 10:57:11
Black looks sexy!

Yes it is.

(http://i.imgur.com/vQGAYh9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4kLWqKo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jACxqhe.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7yfKaCc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fJW5QUd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YHKMA5m.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/peXGrGq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JVB63ru.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9PVGCLA.jpg)





Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 17 May 2016, 11:29:22
Black looks sexy!

Yes it is.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/vQGAYh9.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4kLWqKo.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jACxqhe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/7yfKaCc.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fJW5QUd.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YHKMA5m.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/peXGrGq.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JVB63ru.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/9PVGCLA.jpg)


Black is definitely my favorite :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: billhicks on Tue, 17 May 2016, 16:50:30
How sturdy is the locking mechanism for the board? I'm (perhaps for no reason) afraid that the locking mechanism for the board will degrade over time, unlike the UHKB which seems to have much more utilitarian (and likely more effective, since they're not bound by aesthetic) locking mechanisms.

I'm still on the fence about going through with this group buy, but I must admit it's a beautiful design.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Tue, 17 May 2016, 17:16:18
How sturdy is the locking mechanism for the board? I'm (perhaps for no reason) afraid that the locking mechanism for the board will degrade over time, unlike the UHKB which seems to have much more utilitarian (and likely more effective, since they're not bound by aesthetic) locking mechanisms.

I'm still on the fence about going through with this group buy, but I must admit it's a beautiful design.

I don't think this has a locking mechanism, as it seems it's not designed to be kept in the assembled layout.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dubious on Tue, 17 May 2016, 18:29:08
Black looks sexy!

Yes it is.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/vQGAYh9.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4kLWqKo.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jACxqhe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/7yfKaCc.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fJW5QUd.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YHKMA5m.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/peXGrGq.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JVB63ru.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/9PVGCLA.jpg)



awwwww yiiisssss  ^-^ /drool

Thanks for making this gb happen Zefyr!! I'll appreciate the board that much more knowing how much went into making this possible  :D
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: dubious on Tue, 17 May 2016, 18:31:42
How sturdy is the locking mechanism for the board? I'm (perhaps for no reason) afraid that the locking mechanism for the board will degrade over time, unlike the UHKB which seems to have much more utilitarian (and likely more effective, since they're not bound by aesthetic) locking mechanisms.

I'm still on the fence about going through with this group buy, but I must admit it's a beautiful design.

There is no locking mechanism. Earlier in this thread, someone mentioned it is heavy enough to stay in place without a lock.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ccc24 on Tue, 17 May 2016, 19:46:16
PCB comes presoldered correct? We only have to solder on the swtiches?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: kenshinjeff on Tue, 17 May 2016, 19:59:06
With regards to the mechanism, I've seen people use those strong tiny magnets to keep them in place. I'm not sure if it'll affect electronics but it's really very cool.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:04:46
Black looks sexy!

Yes it is.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/vQGAYh9.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4kLWqKo.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jACxqhe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/7yfKaCc.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fJW5QUd.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YHKMA5m.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/peXGrGq.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JVB63ru.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/9PVGCLA.jpg)


Wonder how would the lighting looks with Zealios. The switches have clear housing, which will have tons of RGB bleeding. Might have to consider going back to cherry... D: or just regular Gaterons.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:13:26
Sold a bunch of stuff today to be able to participate in the drop....aaaaaand Paypal froze the funds for 21 days because it's "inconsistent with my account activity"...time to go back to the drawing board to figure out how I'm going to be able to pay for the board.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:13:36
Black looks sexy!

Yes it is.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/vQGAYh9.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4kLWqKo.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/jACxqhe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/7yfKaCc.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fJW5QUd.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YHKMA5m.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/peXGrGq.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JVB63ru.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/9PVGCLA.jpg)


Wonder how would the lighting looks with Zealios. The switches have clear housing, which will have tons of RGB bleeding. Might have to consider going back to cherry... D: or just regular Gaterons.

steel + zealios  :'(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:27:09
Sold a bunch of stuff today to be able to participate in the drop....aaaaaand Paypal froze the funds for 21 days because it's "inconsistent with my account activity"...time to go back to the drawing board to figure out how I'm going to be able to pay for the board.

that is dumb.  Really hate that about paypal.  Holding funds is stupid just makes them more money
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:32:38
PCB comes presoldered correct? We only have to solder on the swtiches?

Yes, plus in-switch LEDs if you want.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:34:49
Wonder how would the lighting looks with Zealios. The switches have clear housing, which will have tons of RGB bleeding. Might have to consider going back to cherry... D: or just regular Gaterons.

This is built with gaterons, check it out.

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_Lsno50&document_srl=3633551
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:38:07
Sold a bunch of stuff today to be able to participate in the drop....aaaaaand Paypal froze the funds for 21 days because it's "inconsistent with my account activity"...time to go back to the drawing board to figure out how I'm going to be able to pay for the board.

that is dumb.  Really hate that about paypal.  Holding funds is stupid just makes them more money

Man, I was right, this is THE reason why I went for Massdrop.
If pp holds my funds, that make me to explain many words, including that "I'm no scammer. Please believe me."
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:43:22
Sold a bunch of stuff today to be able to participate in the drop....aaaaaand Paypal froze the funds for 21 days because it's "inconsistent with my account activity"...time to go back to the drawing board to figure out how I'm going to be able to pay for the board.

that is dumb.  Really hate that about paypal.  Holding funds is stupid just makes them more money

Man, I was right, this is THE reason why I went for Massdrop.
If pp holds my funds, that make me to explain many words, including that "I'm no scammer. Please believe me."

Exactly why I don't blame you for going the massdrop route. Takes some of the business stress off of your shoulders. I'll find a way to get in, don't worry!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:43:30
Hey look!

Yanbo just updated case color option samples shot.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/ve-a
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: chuckdee on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:54:47
Sold a bunch of stuff today to be able to participate in the drop....aaaaaand Paypal froze the funds for 21 days because it's "inconsistent with my account activity"...time to go back to the drawing board to figure out how I'm going to be able to pay for the board.
That's the point that I'd realize that fate didn't want me to have it.   You can't fight fate - but kudos to you for trying

Sent from my SM-T710 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Azzures on Tue, 17 May 2016, 22:25:43
Wonder how would the lighting looks with Zealios. The switches have clear housing, which will have tons of RGB bleeding. Might have to consider going back to cherry... D: or just regular Gaterons.

This is built with gaterons, check it out.

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_Lsno50&document_srl=3633551

That is beautiful.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Wed, 18 May 2016, 00:58:25
bump,

Added BootmapperClient Mac/Windows support feature.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Wed, 18 May 2016, 06:18:43
Sold a bunch of stuff today to be able to participate in the drop....aaaaaand Paypal froze the funds for 21 days because it's "inconsistent with my account activity"...time to go back to the drawing board to figure out how I'm going to be able to pay for the board.

Paypal is basically the devil.

... if the devil was a semi-legal financial transactions broker.

Honestly, there is so much fraud on Paypal that the only reason they're still in business is that they aren't technically a bank so they can't be held to the same high standards.  In fact, they're not held to any standards at all, which is why they can get away with these knee-jerk policies, heuristics-based "security", and mishandling customers' money in ways that are basically illegal.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 18 May 2016, 07:55:25
Not devil, I would rather say necessary evil.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: limitz on Wed, 18 May 2016, 09:46:58
bump,

Added BootmapperClient Mac/Windows support feature.

Thanks Zefyr. This is unbelievable. One of the most responsive GB's for sure.

Added left hand space support AND Bootmapperclient support to address some community feedback within days. No way I'm missing VE.A.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Wed, 18 May 2016, 09:53:58
any way to get an option for an aluminium plate?  :confused: Or is that something that wouldn't be possible at this point  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: redbanshee on Wed, 18 May 2016, 09:59:26
any way to get an option for an aluminium plate?  :confused: Or is that something that wouldn't be possible at this point  :thumb:

Stuff like this infuriates me. The GB is already up man, may people have ordered. Asking this is dumb.

Oh yea do you think you could also change every single detail about the kit for me, please? Like can we have rainbow anodization too? How about Topre support?
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:03:10
any way to get an option for an aluminium plate?  :confused: Or is that something that wouldn't be possible at this point  :thumb:

Stuff like this infuriates me. The GB is already up man, may people have ordered. Asking this is dumb.

Oh yea do you think you could also change every single detail about the kit for me, please? Like can we have rainbow anodization too? How about Topre support?
 :rolleyes:

If this infuriates you, I really do wish you well in this lifetime.

 I'm fully aware that there was an [IC] Phase and suggestions were taken there. There is no harm (other than those with your level of intolerance) in asking. If it can be done with little effort, I know zefyr would do his best to accommodate those interested. (I'm certain its more than just me as well). Furthermore, he has surprisingly still been able to accommodate alot of requests up to this point

So roll back your neck beard and find something else to burst a nerve on.  :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: redbanshee on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:09:24
So roll back your neck beard and find something else to burst a nerve on.  :thumb:

Worst comeback ever.

Ill stop now, I promise.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:24:21



So roll back your neck beard and find something else to burst a nerve on.  :thumb:

Wut.

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:35:25
any way to get an option for an aluminium plate?  :confused: Or is that something that wouldn't be possible at this point  :thumb:
Hmm somehow I didn't notice the plate material. I didn't like tactile switches as much on my previous steel plate board but I might give it another try.  Sucks a little bit that the plate doesn't allow switch top removal.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:37:35
I'm in!
No matter if the customs bill will add a bunch more to the price, this board is way too awesome to miss out.

The work you have put in this definitely doesn't go unnoticed zefyr!
This is a true masterpiece of keyboard history to go down. <3

bump,

Added BootmapperClient Mac/Windows support feature.

Thanks Zefyr. This is unbelievable. One of the most responsive GB's for sure.

Added left hand space support AND Bootmapperclient support to address some community feedback within days. No way I'm missing VE.A.


Can someone enlighten me what left hand space support is about pls?
Haven't been as active the last few days unfortunately.

Is it basically a mirrored version of the current space bar config? O=
Has this been confirmed?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: limitz on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:39:42
The old PCB only had the space on the right hand. On the left hand, there was 2 keys.

However, to support some of us left-hand spacebar users, zefyr's team modified the PCB to allow for left hand space as well.

AFAIK, Zefyr has stated that this updated PCB will be included in the current Drop.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:41:29
The old PCB only had the space on the right hand. On the left hand, there was 2 keys.

However, to support some of us left-hand spacebar users, zefyr's team modified the PCB to allow for left hand space as well.

AFAIK, Zefyr has stated that this updated PCB will be included in the current Drop.
If there is no problem with it it will be included. No guarantee yet.
Title: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:46:05
Thx for clearing that up guys!

Really hoping left hand space support makes it.
(space lefty club too over here)

If not we can still opt on using one of the two keys on the left of space tho.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:58:24
The old PCB only had the space on the right hand. On the left hand, there was 2 keys.

However, to support some of us left-hand spacebar users, zefyr's team modified the PCB to allow for left hand space as well.

AFAIK, Zefyr has stated that this updated PCB will be included in the current Drop.

You got that wrong.
VE.A is programmable, use can remap any key to space. (by default, there's space in left and right, there's two of them)
The issue was position of left space key. Those who types space with left thumb, position of left space and fn key is messed up a little. So I decided to make it swappable.
Current version supports only Space-Fn layout. I'll make it swappable to Fn-Space order.
And I am testing it. No guarantee of including it in this GB. Test takes time.
Title: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:06:28
The old PCB only had the space on the right hand. On the left hand, there was 2 keys.

However, to support some of us left-hand spacebar users, zefyr's team modified the PCB to allow for left hand space as well.

AFAIK, Zefyr has stated that this updated PCB will be included in the current Drop.

You got that wrong.
VE.A is programmable, use can remap any key to space.
The issue was positionof left space key. Those who types space with left thumb, position of left space and fn key is messed up a little. So I decided to make it swappable.
Current version suooprts only Space-Fn layout. I'll make it swappable to Fn-Space order.
And I am testing it. No guarantee of including it in this GB. Test takes time.

Thx zefyr!

Would be sweet if this makes it in time for the gb, it's probably a big thing for many including myself.

Don't put too much stress on yourself tho pls, you already outdid yourself.
This is next lvl endgame stuff! :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:08:12
The old PCB only had the space on the right hand. On the left hand, there was 2 keys.

However, to support some of us left-hand spacebar users, zefyr's team modified the PCB to allow for left hand space as well.

AFAIK, Zefyr has stated that this updated PCB will be included in the current Drop.

You got that wrong.
VE.A is programmable, use can remap any key to space. (by default, there's space in left and right, there's two of them)
The issue was position of left space key. Those who types space with left thumb, position of left space and fn key is messed up a little. So I decided to make it swappable.
Current version supports only Space-Fn layout. I'll make it swappable to Fn-Space order.
And I am testing it. No guarantee of including it in this GB. Test takes time.

Whatever happens, thanks for trying it.  But please let us know if you're able to get it working.  I will commit to buy as soon as you give us the green light.

Assuming the PCB works 100%, what do you have in mind for plates?  Have we gotten that far yet?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ccc24 on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:10:58
PCB comes presoldered correct? We only have to solder on the swtiches?

Yes, plus in-switch LEDs if you want.

ok thanks. What size LED do you recommend?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:24:16
So roll back your neck beard and find something else to burst a nerve on.  :thumb:

Worst comeback ever.

Ill stop now, I promise.

And needless.  To resort to such is pretty bad.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:30:42
So roll back your neck beard and find something else to burst a nerve on.  :thumb:

Worst comeback ever.

Ill stop now, I promise.

And needless.  To resort to such is pretty bad.






So roll back your neck beard and find something else to burst a nerve on.  :thumb:

Wut.



So roll back your neck beard and find something else to burst a nerve on.  :thumb:

Worst comeback ever.

Ill stop now, I promise.

  :))

any way to get an option for an aluminium plate?  :confused: Or is that something that wouldn't be possible at this point  :thumb:
Hmm somehow I didn't notice the plate material. I didn't like tactile switches as much on my previous steel plate board but I might give it another try.  Sucks a little bit that the plate doesn't allow switch top removal.

I feel the same way, I'm certain it'd be pretty difficult to get an aluminum plate option at this point in time, as mentioned~ but still hoping the stars will align ova here  :thumb:


EDIT: btw Silver looks great ~ thank you for getting those shots for us, Zef.

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:31:41
The old PCB only had the space on the right hand. On the left hand, there was 2 keys.

However, to support some of us left-hand spacebar users, zefyr's team modified the PCB to allow for left hand space as well.

AFAIK, Zefyr has stated that this updated PCB will be included in the current Drop.

You got that wrong.
VE.A is programmable, use can remap any key to space. (by default, there's space in left and right, there's two of them)
The issue was position of left space key. Those who types space with left thumb, position of left space and fn key is messed up a little. So I decided to make it swappable.
Current version supports only Space-Fn layout. I'll make it swappable to Fn-Space order.
And I am testing it. No guarantee of including it in this GB. Test takes time.

Whatever happens, thanks for trying it.  But please let us know if you're able to get it working.  I will commit to buy as soon as you give us the green light.

Assuming the PCB works 100%, what do you have in mind for plates?  Have we gotten that far yet?

I also made universal plate for it already. The key layout already checked, it's fine all fit.
Testing is what remains, but... I don't think I have enough time... Man I'm soldering my ass off haha.
there's so many options and I cannot test all options. I only can emulate with tweezers, but that's not 100% testing.
I use to test at least 1 week for sure. but as you see, I don't have enough time to do that.
Just... I'll try. and let you all know it's done before Drop ends.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:33:43
I also made universal plate for it already. The key layout already checked, it's fine all fit.
Testing is what remains, but... I don't think I have enough time... Man I'm soldering my ass off haha.
there's so many options and I cannot test all options. I only can emulate with tweezers, but that's not 100% testing.
I use to test at least 1 week for sure. but as you see, I don't have enough time to do that.
Just... I'll try. and let you all know it's done before Drop ends.

Oh, cool.  It's good to hear you already checked the fitment.   :thumb:

I know you're under a lot of pressure.  The extra effort is much appreciated.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:34:48
The old PCB only had the space on the right hand. On the left hand, there was 2 keys.

However, to support some of us left-hand spacebar users, zefyr's team modified the PCB to allow for left hand space as well.

AFAIK, Zefyr has stated that this updated PCB will be included in the current Drop.

You got that wrong.
VE.A is programmable, use can remap any key to space. (by default, there's space in left and right, there's two of them)
The issue was position of left space key. Those who types space with left thumb, position of left space and fn key is messed up a little. So I decided to make it swappable.
Current version supports only Space-Fn layout. I'll make it swappable to Fn-Space order.
And I am testing it. No guarantee of including it in this GB. Test takes time.

Whatever happens, thanks for trying it.  But please let us know if you're able to get it working.  I will commit to buy as soon as you give us the green light.

Assuming the PCB works 100%, what do you have in mind for plates?  Have we gotten that far yet?

I also made universal plate for it already. The key layout already checked, it's fine all fit.
Testing is what remains, but... I don't think I have enough time... Man I'm soldering my ass off haha.
there's so many options and I cannot test all options. I only can emulate with tweezers, but that's not 100% testing.
I use to test at least 1 week for sure. but as you see, I don't have enough time to do that.
Just... I'll try. and let you all know it's done before Drop ends.

Thanks for your hard work on this, zefyr, and to all those helping you out. This board is amazing and the follow-ups during the drop are much appreciated.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:36:19
any way to get an option for an aluminium plate?  :confused: Or is that something that wouldn't be possible at this point  :thumb:

Negative :)
That could makes many people so confused who already in.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:36:49
any way to get an option for an aluminium plate?  :confused: Or is that something that wouldn't be possible at this point  :thumb:

Negative :)
That could makes many people so confused who already in.

I thought as much, thank you for the response!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: litster on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:02:45
I joined the drop.  This is almost exactly what I was looking for.  One question for the tenting kit.  Is the tenting kit locked to black as in the picture on MD, or will it match the color of the keyboard case?  Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Chewypost on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:40:45
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:46:02
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Chewypost on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:50:04
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:51:26
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:56:14
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?

he probably prefers an alu plate, but the switches will work as you are hinting.  I've tried linears with alu, and tactiles with steel.  Still worth using if you really like that style of switch :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 May 2016, 15:15:44
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?

Plate material is an area of consideration which, for many, is also dependent on the switch type as different materials change the feel and acoustics.
Stainless steel, for some, is entirely unusable for tactile switches.

Though I have to wonder if Zefyr is willing to offer the plate files as he will with the Alps plate and the first Vergo design.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 18 May 2016, 15:26:42
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?

Plate material is an area of consideration which, for many, is also dependent on the switch type as different materials change the feel and acoustics.
Stainless steel, for some, is entirely unusable for tactile switches.

Though I have to wonder if Zefyr is willing to offer the plate files as he will with the Alps plate and the first Vergo design.

Just for clarification, I'm well aware of the differences with linear and steel vs alu and tactile. I just find it silly to not just use what you like when there is not much of a quantifiable difference.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Wed, 18 May 2016, 15:56:22
Just for clarification, I'm well aware of the differences with linear and steel vs alu and tactile. I just find it silly to not just use what you like when there is not much of a quantifiable difference.
I think its the fact that its a 400 dollar keyboard, so people really want to get it perfect. That small difference is still a difference from their ideal keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Wed, 18 May 2016, 16:00:25
Just for clarification, I'm well aware of the differences with linear and steel vs alu and tactile. I just find it silly to not just use what you like when there is not much of a quantifiable difference.
I think its the fact that its a 400 dollar keyboard, so people really want to get it perfect. That small difference is still a difference from their ideal keyboard.
While that's true you'll never have your ideal board unless you make it from scratch.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Wed, 18 May 2016, 16:09:52
I think its the fact that its a 400 dollar keyboard, so people really want to get it perfect. That small difference is still a difference from their ideal keyboard.
While that's true you'll never have your ideal board unless you make it from scratch.
Yeah, that's true. I don't have the skill or patience for that though haha.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 May 2016, 18:30:23
More

Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?

Plate material is an area of consideration which, for many, is also dependent on the switch type as different materials change the feel and acoustics.
Stainless steel, for some, is entirely unusable for tactile switches.

Though I have to wonder if Zefyr is willing to offer the plate files as he will with the Alps plate and the first Vergo design.

Just for clarification, I'm well aware of the differences with linear and steel vs alu and tactile. I just find it silly to not just use what you like when there is not much of a quantifiable difference.


Perhaps you aren't as sensitive to such factors which is why you find them trivial.
However, I find that I'm more attentive to such things so from personal experience I can sympathize with such a notion that one would refrain entirely from certain pairings of switches and materials.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Wed, 18 May 2016, 18:34:58
More

Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?

Plate material is an area of consideration which, for many, is also dependent on the switch type as different materials change the feel and acoustics.
Stainless steel, for some, is entirely unusable for tactile switches.

Though I have to wonder if Zefyr is willing to offer the plate files as he will with the Alps plate and the first Vergo design.

Just for clarification, I'm well aware of the differences with linear and steel vs alu and tactile. I just find it silly to not just use what you like when there is not much of a quantifiable difference.


Perhaps you aren't as sensitive to such factors which is why you find them trivial.
However, I find that I'm more attentive to such things so from personal experience I can sympathize with such a notion that one would refrain entirely from certain pairings of switches and materials.
This sounds like it belongs on r/Iamverysmart
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 May 2016, 18:39:47
More

Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?

Plate material is an area of consideration which, for many, is also dependent on the switch type as different materials change the feel and acoustics.
Stainless steel, for some, is entirely unusable for tactile switches.

Though I have to wonder if Zefyr is willing to offer the plate files as he will with the Alps plate and the first Vergo design.

Just for clarification, I'm well aware of the differences with linear and steel vs alu and tactile. I just find it silly to not just use what you like when there is not much of a quantifiable difference.


Perhaps you aren't as sensitive to such factors which is why you find them trivial.
However, I find that I'm more attentive to such things so from personal experience I can sympathize with such a notion that one would refrain entirely from certain pairings of switches and materials.
This sounds like it belongs on r/Iamverysmart

If that's what being smart means then I would very much like to be dumb.
Being sensitive to this **** means I have to waste my money on expensive keyboards and still not be satisfied with the end result.
I envy those who don't care for the construction of their boards.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Wed, 18 May 2016, 18:46:14
More

Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?

Plate material is an area of consideration which, for many, is also dependent on the switch type as different materials change the feel and acoustics.
Stainless steel, for some, is entirely unusable for tactile switches.

Though I have to wonder if Zefyr is willing to offer the plate files as he will with the Alps plate and the first Vergo design.

Just for clarification, I'm well aware of the differences with linear and steel vs alu and tactile. I just find it silly to not just use what you like when there is not much of a quantifiable difference.


Perhaps you aren't as sensitive to such factors which is why you find them trivial.
However, I find that I'm more attentive to such things so from personal experience I can sympathize with such a notion that one would refrain entirely from certain pairings of switches and materials.
This sounds like it belongs on r/Iamverysmart

If that's what being smart means then I would very much like to be dumb.
Being sensitive to this **** means I have to waste my money on expensive keyboards and still not be satisfied with the end result.
I envy those who don't care for the construction of their boards.
Why would you buy something if you know you're not gonna be satisfied?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 May 2016, 18:50:59
More

Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?

Plate material is an area of consideration which, for many, is also dependent on the switch type as different materials change the feel and acoustics.
Stainless steel, for some, is entirely unusable for tactile switches.

Though I have to wonder if Zefyr is willing to offer the plate files as he will with the Alps plate and the first Vergo design.

Just for clarification, I'm well aware of the differences with linear and steel vs alu and tactile. I just find it silly to not just use what you like when there is not much of a quantifiable difference.


Perhaps you aren't as sensitive to such factors which is why you find them trivial.
However, I find that I'm more attentive to such things so from personal experience I can sympathize with such a notion that one would refrain entirely from certain pairings of switches and materials.
This sounds like it belongs on r/Iamverysmart

If that's what being smart means then I would very much like to be dumb.
Being sensitive to this **** means I have to waste my money on expensive keyboards and still not be satisfied with the end result.
I envy those who don't care for the construction of their boards.
Why would you buy something if you know you're not gonna be satisfied?

Because it's either that or rubber domes.

It's like asking "Why vote if you aren't satisfied with any party?"
It's because any other option would be even more unacceptable and I would only be more miserable for it.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Wed, 18 May 2016, 18:55:47
I don't know if the two things are comparable. You can aquire the means to make your own board. Might have some trouble setting up your own government.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 May 2016, 19:14:59
I don't know if the two things are comparable. You can acquire the means to make your own board. Might have some trouble setting up your own government.
You say the two are incomparable but first of all, it's an analogy which is not always a perfect comparison.

Also, it's still way out of my reach to design my own switches which I can be satisfied with.
Either way the solution to both issues is, for me, out of my control and I have to settle with the next best thing.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: chalks on Wed, 18 May 2016, 19:50:09
Is the titanium coated black STS plate noticeably more or less stiff than the bare metal STS plate?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Chewypost on Wed, 18 May 2016, 19:50:31
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?
There's more of a ping to the switches on STS plates than aluminum I find, which feels different than aluminum. True it doesn't mean I can't use zealios on the ve.a, but it's not my preference
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Wed, 18 May 2016, 19:55:55
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?
There's more of a ping to the switches on STS plates than aluminum I find, which feels different than aluminum. True it doesn't mean I can't use zealios on the ve.a, but it's not my preference
I have found that lubing the ends of springs removed pinging sounds for me.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: shangrila500 on Thu, 19 May 2016, 12:53:36
For the in switch LEDs can we use RGB or just single color LEDs?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: exitfire401 on Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:01:18
For the in switch LEDs can we use RGB or just single color LEDs?

Only 2 pin leds are supported. So either single color or color shifting.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Fri, 20 May 2016, 11:26:51
Is there anything I should be aware of for the titanium coating? Is it easy to scratch at all?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: yicaoyimu on Fri, 20 May 2016, 11:35:29
All metal keyboards are easy to scratch.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 20 May 2016, 11:46:29
very excited for this, I ordered two gateron blank sets, so I can make it look similar to the AT keyboards from back in the day
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 21 May 2016, 07:36:38
Are there any updates on left hand space support already?

Sorry for bothering you zefyr, but it's the one thing that would really make this board perfect to me.

I really want an VE.A and the left space layout is my only concern.

Fingers crossed and praying testing works out fine.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 21 May 2016, 08:21:46
If not this round, maybe next round? Eh?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Ryukuxyz on Sun, 22 May 2016, 17:38:31
Finally going to be able to order my VE.A this week!! It's been a long time coming but it's finally happening!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sun, 22 May 2016, 22:00:45
Is it possible for anyone to purchase an extra PCB and possibly the tenting kit for me?  The person I agreed to buy the PCB and tenting kit from on Reddit is backing out. I am new on GH, but I have some rep on /r/HardwareSwap and /r/MechMarket under the same username. I really don't want to miss out on this. I have no problem paying PP fees and trying to make it worth your while.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Floody on Sun, 22 May 2016, 22:02:33
Is it possible for anyone to purchase an extra PCB and possibly the tenting kit for me?  The person I agreed to buy the PCB and tenting kit from on Reddit is backing out. I am new on GH, but I have some rep on /r/HardwareSwap and /r/MechMarket under the same username. I really don't want to miss out on this. I have no problem paying PP fees and trying to make it worth your while.
He did say he may have some extras at the end so if you don't find anyone you can try that.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Dymloslouire on Sun, 22 May 2016, 22:17:50
Is it possible for anyone to purchase an extra PCB and possibly the tenting kit for me?  The person I agreed to buy the PCB and tenting kit from on Reddit is backing out. I am new on GH, but I have some rep on /r/HardwareSwap and /r/MechMarket under the same username. I really don't want to miss out on this. I have no problem paying PP fees and trying to make it worth your while.

i'm considering this as well...
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 23 May 2016, 00:49:45
Are there any updates on left hand space support already?

Sorry for bothering you zefyr, but it's the one thing that would really make this board perfect to me.

I really want an VE.A and the left space layout is my only concern.

Fingers crossed and praying testing works out fine.

I usually run test for 2 weeks, for sure.
I'm thinking several things, I'll update status in couple of days.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 23 May 2016, 00:51:43
Is there anything I should be aware of for the titanium coating? Is it easy to scratch at all?

It's just coating, a little harder than buffed surface but, not that hard.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FoC_Tow on Mon, 23 May 2016, 02:27:36
Are there any updates on left hand space support already?

Sorry for bothering you zefyr, but it's the one thing that would really make this board perfect to me.

I really want an VE.A and the left space layout is my only concern.

Fingers crossed and praying testing works out fine.

I usually run test for 2 weeks, for sure.
I'm thinking several things, I'll update status in couple of days.

Thankies zefyr. :D

Much appreciated!  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: tuantruong on Mon, 23 May 2016, 09:57:57
anyone here located in US can help me to purchase the Tenting stand?

Massdrop doesn't let me buy the stand without the VE.A. :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 23 May 2016, 20:40:46
anyone here located in US can help me to purchase the Tenting stand?

Massdrop doesn't let me buy the stand without the VE.A. :(

Hey buddy, didn't you have access to acrylic workshops?
I already shared stand's design in public (kbdlab)
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_etc&document_srl=3286770
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:02:28
Announcement from Oddforge

Hi guys, I got a news for GB.
As you know, I was trying to upgrade PCB for ISO layouts and Swappable space/fn options.
Test fails. There's another 200 bucks I'll never see again.
Now, time is absolute not enough to make it in this GB.

This might looks like a kind of lame execuse but, I'm gonna spit it out.
Me and my partner has all exhausted out.
Somebody might think this is not that kind of hard work but...
We(oddforge members) both have a regular day job, and in Korea, we work very hard (I mean... looooooooooong, like 12 hours a day)
We have to work at midnight and "precious weekend" for this GB.
We did, we did tried over three months by now.
Clock is ticking (man it's faster than we thought, really), we all are stressed out.
BAM!, hospital, both of us.

So, here's the deal about it.
For now, there's no way I can make it before Massdrop application period ends. (in a week from now)
We will keep trying anyway. but "NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS(UPGRADED PCB) WILL BE INCLUDED IN MASSDROP GB"
I got three weeks to solve and test. If I got managed to solve things, it will be included. but chance is very slim as you see.
Sorry guys, I didn't make it in time.

If(---IF---) PCB is done after time limit. We will offer you a deal for it.
(NO PRICE EST, NOR SCHEDULE EST, NOR GUARANTEE)
Please, do not think this as a money making tactics.

Thanks for your interest and considerate understanding in advance.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: tuantruong on Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:04:26
I did, but the nearest acrylic shop is 30 mins drive away from my place, and I'm kinda lazy.
I just ordered the second VE.A with the stand anyway. :p
Thanks zefyr!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:10:46
I did, but the nearest acrylic shop is 30 mins drive away from my place, and I'm kinda lazy.
I just ordered the second VE.A with the stand anyway. :p
Thanks zefyr!

Heh, you just saved my day. (you should read "my day" as "my wallet")
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: muon on Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:16:53
I keep having to stop myself from hitting that "purchase" button... every day...  :'(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:20:43
I keep having to stop myself from hitting that "purchase" button... every day...  :'(

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: muon on Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:22:35

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

arg don't tempt me, I don't even know where I'm going to be living in August  :p
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:24:23
I am really tempted to get two as well, but I am trying to save space :(
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:26:29
I am really tempted to get two as well, but I am trying to save space :(

Save yours, after GB ends, somebody might share acrylic design.
(Me? nah.......... I'm so lazy hehehe)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 24 May 2016, 00:18:54
Zefyr, will these LED lights be compatible with your PCB?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320999088871?

Description:
Size (mm) : 2 x 3 x 4 mm ( Rectangle )
Lens Colour : White
Peak Wave Length (nm) : 605 ~ 610
Forward Voltage (V) : 1.8 ~ 2.2
Forward Current : 20mA
Reverse Current (uA) : <=30
Absolute Maximum Ratings (Ta=25°C)
Max Power Dissipation : 80mw Max Continuous
Max Peak Forward Current : 75mA
Reverse Voltage : 5~6V
Lead Soldering Temperature : 240°C (<5Sec)
Operating Temperature Range : -25°C ~ +85°C
Preservative Temperature Range : -30°C ~ +100°C
Pin Length: 28.5mm and 26.5m

Would I need to solder on resistors to support LEDs?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 24 May 2016, 03:34:10
Zefyr, will these LED lights be compatible with your PCB?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320999088871?

Description:
Size (mm) : 2 x 3 x 4 mm ( Rectangle )
Lens Colour : White
Peak Wave Length (nm) : 605 ~ 610
Forward Voltage (V) : 1.8 ~ 2.2
Forward Current : 20mA
Reverse Current (uA) : <=30
Absolute Maximum Ratings (Ta=25°C)
Max Power Dissipation : 80mw Max Continuous
Max Peak Forward Current : 75mA
Reverse Voltage : 5~6V
Lead Soldering Temperature : 240°C (<5Sec)
Operating Temperature Range : -25°C ~ +85°C
Preservative Temperature Range : -30°C ~ +100°C
Pin Length: 28.5mm and 26.5m

Would I need to solder on resistors to support LEDs?

Looks general spec for Cherry MX compatible switches, I think it will works, you should use proper resistors.
And yes you should solder resistors for LEDs.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Tue, 24 May 2016, 06:26:22
Announcement from Oddforge

Hi guys, I got a news for GB.
As you know, I was trying to upgrade PCB for ISO layouts and Swappable space/fn options.
Test fails. There's another 200 bucks I'll never see again.
Now, time is absolute not enough to make it in this GB.

This might looks like a kind of lame execuse but, I'm gonna spit it out.
Me and my partner has all exhausted out.
Somebody might think this is not that kind of hard work but...
We(oddforge members) both have a regular day job, and in Korea, we work very hard (I mean... looooooooooong, like 12 hours a day)
We have to work at midnight and "precious weekend" for this GB.
We did, we did tried over three months by now.
Clock is ticking (man it's faster than we thought, really), we all are stressed out.
BAM!, hospital, both of us.

So, here's the deal about it.
For now, there's no way I can make it before Massdrop application period ends. (in a week from now)
We will keep trying anyway. but "NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS(UPGRADED PCB) WILL BE INCLUDED IN MASSDROP GB"
I got three weeks to solve and test. If I got managed to solve things, it will be included. but chance is very slim as you see.
Sorry guys, I didn't make it in time.

If(---IF---) PCB is done after time limit. We will offer you a deal for it.
(NO PRICE EST, NOR SCHEDULE EST, NOR GUARANTEE)
Please, do not think this as a money making tactics.

Thanks for your interest and considerate understanding in advance.

Well, I guess this means I'm out.  I can't put $400 on a "maybe".  But I do appreciate you trying to make it work.  The group buy is already a success and there's nearly a week left.  You should be proud.  Thanks for being up-front about this change/update.  I will watch closely to see what Oddforge has in store for the future.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Tue, 24 May 2016, 07:25:05
Announcement from Oddforge

Hi guys, I got a news for GB.
As you know, I was trying to upgrade PCB for ISO layouts and Swappable space/fn options.
Test fails. There's another 200 bucks I'll never see again.
Now, time is absolute not enough to make it in this GB.

This might looks like a kind of lame execuse but, I'm gonna spit it out.
Me and my partner has all exhausted out.
Somebody might think this is not that kind of hard work but...
We(oddforge members) both have a regular day job, and in Korea, we work very hard (I mean... looooooooooong, like 12 hours a day)
We have to work at midnight and "precious weekend" for this GB.
We did, we did tried over three months by now.
Clock is ticking (man it's faster than we thought, really), we all are stressed out.
BAM!, hospital, both of us.

So, here's the deal about it.
For now, there's no way I can make it before Massdrop application period ends. (in a week from now)
We will keep trying anyway. but "NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS(UPGRADED PCB) WILL BE INCLUDED IN MASSDROP GB"
I got three weeks to solve and test. If I got managed to solve things, it will be included. but chance is very slim as you see.
Sorry guys, I didn't make it in time.

If(---IF---) PCB is done after time limit. We will offer you a deal for it.
(NO PRICE EST, NOR SCHEDULE EST, NOR GUARANTEE)
Please, do not think this as a money making tactics.

Thanks for your interest and considerate understanding in advance.

Well, I guess this means I'm out.  I can't put $400 on a "maybe".  But I do appreciate you trying to make it work.  The group buy is already a success and there's nearly a week left.  You should be proud.  Thanks for being up-front about this change/update.  I will watch closely to see what Oddforge has in store for the future.  ;)

I joined the drop too, still waiting for confirmation for left thumb spacebar. Will definitely exit from this drop too if it does not make it onto the pcb, aka 100%.

Since this is not the first time this keyboard is being offered, I wonder if those previous Korean groupbuys, no buyer use left thumb spacebar? No likely. If so, this is not a new issue with the split spacebar, ample time to get this sorted.

I do love the design very much, really. However, I would like to enjoy using it too.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 24 May 2016, 11:25:07
zefyr, we  all appreciate your efforts, and i am very impressed with the level of commitment in this project! i hope you do not get burnt out trying to get it all done on the first try. i definitely want to support this project, but i am still on the fence for first round - even if an upgraded pcb will be offered at a later time..

just a suggestion, it may be a wise decision to release this design as-is (which is amazing quality) and offer a second round later this year or next year with improvements and added features. i would have no hesitation to buy a second-round VE.A
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Tue, 24 May 2016, 11:29:43
so... R2 confirmed?

More like the PCB by itself will be for sale at a later time if they can't get it done before the drop ends.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: muon on Tue, 24 May 2016, 11:30:28
What's all this about a left spacebar? Can't you just take a 4u and put it over the 3u + fn key, and then unmap the fn?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Tue, 24 May 2016, 12:16:44
What's all this about a left spacebar? Can't you just take a 4u and put it over the 3u + fn key, and then unmap the fn?

Left side is 2u space + 1u Fn.  But where are you going to get a 3u cap with the right stem placement?  Don't forget there are stabilizers under there.  It's not nearly as simple as you implied.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: muon on Tue, 24 May 2016, 12:22:17

Left side is 2u space + 1u Fn.  But where are you going to get a 3u cap with the right stem placement?  Don't forget there are stabilizers under there.  It's not nearly as simple as you implied.

I think you could forgo the stab if you were to do this, as mounting it on two switches would be stable enough, but you're right about the stem placement - not sure if that would work. 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Tue, 24 May 2016, 12:26:52

Left side is 2u space + 1u Fn.  But where are you going to get a 3u cap with the right stem placement?  Don't forget there are stabilizers under there.  It's not nearly as simple as you implied.

I think you could forgo the stab if you were to do this, as mounting it on two switches would be stable enough, but you're right about the stem placement - not sure if that would work.

To be fair, I've never tried it.  But something tells me 2 switches isn't a direct replacement for a properly-stabilized single switch in most applications.  Plus, wouldn't that roughly double the actuation force (provided you didn't use custom springs too!)?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: muon on Tue, 24 May 2016, 12:38:52
Not entirely sure, I do it on my Planck (have a 2u covering two switches for return) and it works great. In theory it should be twice as stiff but in practice it really doesn't feel that way. Given that it's a spacebar I feel like that might be too much of an issue, but you're probably right in that the stem placement wouldn't work out. Maybe with a bit of handiwork you could 3D print a stem and attach it but of course that's a lot of effort  :-X
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ccc24 on Tue, 24 May 2016, 14:26:12
is the pcb cherry spec? What is the diameter of the switch holes?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: litster on Tue, 24 May 2016, 17:07:41
If you don't have a stablizer under a longish key, it will feel weird/different, even if it is under two switches, especially if you don't hit the key dead center. 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Tue, 24 May 2016, 21:23:55
Left thumb FN position was a controversial topic in first round at Korea.
The thing is, I find left FN is more useful than left spacebar in that position that time.
But after VE.A released, winkeyless firmware has new function "Dual Action remap"
So, Space bar can be used as "FN" in the same time. which is a near perfect feature for me.
I was working on swappable position for a while. This is my first trial and it just failed.
I'll make it work. But it's just "no guarantee for this GB" thing. cause I don't have enough time.
I have to make another case with this PCB, so large amount of leftover PCB will become huge pain in my sexy ass.
I cannot let that happens. I have almost three weeks to make this right.
But announcement cannot be done by than right?
So I announced early :)
Thanks for your support, guys.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 24 May 2016, 22:26:30
Left thumb FN position was a controversial topic in first round at Korea.
The thing is, I find left FN is more useful than left spacebar in that position that time.
But after VE.A released, winkeyless firmware has new function "Dual Action remap"
So, Space bar can be used as "FN" in the same time. which is a near perfect feature for me.
I was working on swappable position for a while. This is my first trial and it just failed.
I'll make it work. But it's just "no guarantee for this GB" thing. cause I don't have enough time.
I have to make another case with this PCB, so large amount of leftover PCB will become huge pain in my sexy ass.
I cannot let that happens. I have almost three weeks to make this right.
But announcement cannot be done by than right?
So I announced early :)
Thanks for your support, guys.


You must have quite the ass
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 25 May 2016, 03:27:11
Left thumb FN position was a controversial topic in first round at Korea.
The thing is, I find left FN is more useful than left spacebar in that position that time.
But after VE.A released, winkeyless firmware has new function "Dual Action remap"
So, Space bar can be used as "FN" in the same time. which is a near perfect feature for me.
I was working on swappable position for a while. This is my first trial and it just failed.
I'll make it work. But it's just "no guarantee for this GB" thing. cause I don't have enough time.
I have to make another case with this PCB, so large amount of leftover PCB will become huge pain in my sexy ass.
I cannot let that happens. I have almost three weeks to make this right.
But announcement cannot be done by than right?
So I announced early :)
Thanks for your support, guys.


Thanks for beeing upfront and keeping us informed zefyr!

So, does it mean you'll definitely make it work, but just not in time for the gb?
Also you said you will have to make another case with this pcb?


It would probably be important to know what is going to happen for people who are requesting space fn swap support.

Should we get a board now, and will definitely be able to purchase and updated PCB afterwards at some point in time?

Will updated PCBs not fit in the current case, which would mean we shouldnt buy a board now in hopes of using an updated PCB in it?

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Wed, 25 May 2016, 05:51:22
Left thumb FN position was a controversial topic in first round at Korea.
The thing is, I find left FN is more useful than left spacebar in that position that time.
But after VE.A released, winkeyless firmware has new function "Dual Action remap"
So, Space bar can be used as "FN" in the same time. which is a near perfect feature for me.
I was working on swappable position for a while. This is my first trial and it just failed.
I'll make it work. But it's just "no guarantee for this GB" thing. cause I don't have enough time.
I have to make another case with this PCB, so large amount of leftover PCB will become huge pain in my sexy ass.
I cannot let that happens. I have almost three weeks to make this right.
But announcement cannot be done by than right?
So I announced early :)
Thanks for your support, guys.


Thanks for beeing upfront and keeping us informed zefyr!

So, does it mean you'll definitely make it work, but just not in time for the gb?
Also you said you will have to make another case with this pcb?


It would probably be important to know what is going to happen for people who are requesting space fn swap support.

Should we get a board now, and will definitely be able to purchase and updated PCB afterwards at some point in time?

Will updated PCBs not fit in the current case, which would mean we shouldnt buy a board now in hopes of using an updated PCB in it?

I'm back and forth for this topic.
All of these in your question. Like swappable PCB, new Case and so on.
I want to make new Case for this PCB, and also, I want to improve this PCB.
(Focus on the word "I want". that is not "I have to", please.)

For swappable Space/FN.
I already put some budget in that I just want to make it even. and that would be another 30~35 PCBs to sell.
But it's just "what I want to do.", not "what I should to do." for now.
That's why I announced it earlier, before Massdrop GB ends.

Running GB takes a lot of commitments.
I'm afraid of commitments for improved PCB, I already made "stable" version of PCB and put that on GB.
What I really worried of is... "Stability issue after GB ends."
I tested this(Massdrop GB) version of PCB over a month before first GB on kbdlab.
That's my standard for "Stable PCB".

Here's deal.
I'll try to make improved PCB. But no guarantee for that.
I cannot promise anything.
So, if you need swapable version of this PCB. Risk is all yours.
What I can say is "I'll try."

And new case,
It's also a "I want to" thing.
Hey, it's my hobby :) please do not forget that.

Some guys already talks about another round.
That is "A LOT OF PRESSURE" on me.
I absolutely have NO plan for another round.
I have NO plan to sell VE.A on my website, yet.

Well, I got nothing left :) what a dumb.
I really want make more geeks happy.
But I can't. That's what I learned.
So, I decided to go in "safe" way.
For this GB, time limit is over for further challenge.

Thank you for your understanding in advance.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: LunarisDream on Wed, 25 May 2016, 08:22:49
This is one thing I've come to realize about running a GB - you really have to get ALL the details hashed out and fend off questions/suggestions from a wide variety of people, and usually that's still not enough. When you have to deal with the interests and money of so many people, things get overwhelming very quickly. Everyone is here w/ good intentions, but you gotta be aware that zefyr is just one guy. I think we should ease up on suggestions/comments and just worry about enduring the upcoming wait instead of making plans so far ahead in the future and trying to dictate the direction that zefyr should take his interests in.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Dymloslouire on Wed, 25 May 2016, 08:43:13
Left thumb FN position was a controversial topic in first round at Korea.
The thing is, I find left FN is more useful than left spacebar in that position that time.
But after VE.A released, winkeyless firmware has new function "Dual Action remap"
So, Space bar can be used as "FN" in the same time. which is a near perfect feature for me.
I was working on swappable position for a while. This is my first trial and it just failed.
I'll make it work. But it's just "no guarantee for this GB" thing. cause I don't have enough time.
I have to make another case with this PCB, so large amount of leftover PCB will become huge pain in my sexy ass.
I cannot let that happens. I have almost three weeks to make this right.
But announcement cannot be done by than right?
So I announced early :)
Thanks for your support, guys.


Thanks for beeing upfront and keeping us informed zefyr!

So, does it mean you'll definitely make it work, but just not in time for the gb?
Also you said you will have to make another case with this pcb?


It would probably be important to know what is going to happen for people who are requesting space fn swap support.

Should we get a board now, and will definitely be able to purchase and updated PCB afterwards at some point in time?

Will updated PCBs not fit in the current case, which would mean we shouldnt buy a board now in hopes of using an updated PCB in it?

I'm back and forth for this topic.
All of these in your question. Like swappable PCB, new Case and so on.
I want to make new Case for this PCB, and also, I want to improve this PCB.
(Focus on the word "I want". that is not "I have to", please.)

For swappable Space/FN.
I already put some budget in that I just want to make it even. and that would be another 30~35 PCBs to sell.
But it's just "what I want to do.", not "what I should to do." for now.
That's why I announced it earlier, before Massdrop GB ends.

Running GB takes a lot of commitments.
I'm afraid of commitments for improved PCB, I already made "stable" version of PCB and put that on GB.
What I really worried of is... "Stability issue after GB ends."
I tested this(Massdrop GB) version of PCB over a month before first GB on kbdlab.
That's my standard for "Stable PCB".

Here's deal.
I'll try to make improved PCB. But no guarantee for that.
I cannot promise anything.
So, if you need swapable version of this PCB. Risk is all yours.
What I can say is "I'll try."

And new case,
It's also a "I want to" thing.
Hey, it's my hobby :) please do not forget that.

Some guys already talks about another round.
That is "A LOT OF PRESSURE" on me.
I absolutely have NO plan for another round.
I have NO plan to sell VE.A on my website, yet.

Well, I got nothing left :) what a dumb.
I really want make more geeks happy.
But I can't. That's what I learned.
So, I decided to go in "safe" way.
For this GB, time limit is over for further challenge.

Thank you for your understanding in advance.

don't worry, you did good.
just wanna to say thank you for bringing my dream split layout came true.
i'll just remap the left FN as space and then call it a day. you don't have to be so stressed about this.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Wed, 25 May 2016, 22:42:09
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.
(http://i.imgur.com/io4Ktyy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fjoujFv.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Wed, 25 May 2016, 22:58:15
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/io4Ktyy.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fjoujFv.jpg)


Aren't those the knock-off Zealios?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Wed, 25 May 2016, 23:10:10
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/io4Ktyy.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fjoujFv.jpg)


Aren't those the knock-off Zealios?

Knock off? Have Zealios version came out yet? I am looking for the ic thread now

Edit: Found the Zeal thread https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78155.0
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: romevi on Wed, 25 May 2016, 23:15:46
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/io4Ktyy.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fjoujFv.jpg)


Aren't those the knock-off Zealios?

Knock off? Have Zealios version came out yet? I am looking for the ic thread now

Oh, never mind. I totally did not realize those are stabilizers. Those are really cool. Do you have a link?
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Wed, 25 May 2016, 23:26:56
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/io4Ktyy.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fjoujFv.jpg)


Aren't those the knock-off Zealios?

Knock off? Have Zealios version came out yet? I am looking for the ic thread now

Oh, never mind. I totally did not realize those are stabilizers. Those are really cool. Do you have a link?

Link to? Zeal replied on MD about his up coming clear cherry stabilizer with gold plated stabs, thread on GH is here. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78155.0

Taobao link is https://world.taobao.com/item/531797261669.htm
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 25 May 2016, 23:49:49
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/io4Ktyy.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fjoujFv.jpg)


Aren't those the knock-off Zealios?

i thought zeal abandoned the project because gateron said it was not possible... i dont remember the exact explanation, but i think it had to do with the type of plastic they used for clear switch housings would not work for stabilizers or something
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Thu, 26 May 2016, 06:34:08
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/io4Ktyy.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fjoujFv.jpg)


Aren't those the knock-off Zealios?

Knock off? Have Zealios version came out yet? I am looking for the ic thread now

Oh, never mind. I totally did not realize those are stabilizers. Those are really cool. Do you have a link?

Link to? Zeal replied on MD about his up coming clear cherry stabilizer with gold plated stabs, thread on GH is here. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78155.0

Taobao link is https://world.taobao.com/item/531797261669.htm

Thanks for the link.  Gonna try to order some.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Thu, 26 May 2016, 09:12:57
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/io4Ktyy.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fjoujFv.jpg)


Aren't those the knock-off Zealios?

Knock off? Have Zealios version came out yet? I am looking for the ic thread now

Oh, never mind. I totally did not realize those are stabilizers. Those are really cool. Do you have a link?

Link to? Zeal replied on MD about his up coming clear cherry stabilizer with gold plated stabs, thread on GH is here. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78155.0

Taobao link is https://world.taobao.com/item/531797261669.htm

Thanks for the link.  Gonna try to order some.

Sure. I bought some to check them out too. Also ordered some gold-plated slabs. https://world.taobao.com/item/523044562115.htm
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 26 May 2016, 12:47:45
Announcement from oddforge

Improved PCB debugging was successful.
I produced another sample PCB (with express service... which is waaaaaaaaaay pricey... 150USD for 3 PCBs hahaha...)
Here's today's status.
Me and my partner has assembled two Kits
ANSI layout with default VE.A layout, and ISO layout with swapped left Space/FN.
Which means, Vergo type.T-II PCB (VE.A's PCB) now supports
- ISO(short left shift, vertical enter) layout.
- swappable left space/fn layout.

Everything is in function for now.
We have to do long stability test. (It's day one)
As mentioned, time is very short for enough test before GB ends.
So, here's deal.
We will do heavy stability test as possible as we can.
And we will announce once more in two days.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 26 May 2016, 13:31:34

Announcement from oddforge

Improved PCB debugging was successful.
I produced another sample PCB (with express service... which is waaaaaaaaaay pricey... 150USD for 3 PCBs hahaha...)
Here's today's status.
Me and my partner has assembled two Kits
ANSI layout with default VE.A layout, and ISO layout with swapped left Space/FN.
Which means, Vergo type.T-II PCB (VE.A's PCB) now supports
- ISO(short left shift, vertical enter) layout.
- swappable left space/fn layout.

Everything is in function for now.
We have to do long stability test. (It's day one)
As mentioned, time is very short for enough test before GB ends.
So, here's deal.
We will do heavy stability test as possible as we can.
And we will announce once more in two days.


Awesome zefyr!
Thx Soo much for all the effort you put in to this!

So chances are we might be able to get the update pcb after the gb?

It would make the decision that much easy for me tbh. =)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 26 May 2016, 13:42:13
Would I run into any issues with putting the board together plateless? I'm asking because I had a board previously that wouldn't come together without the plate.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: greycap128 on Thu, 26 May 2016, 13:43:25
I don't recall seeing any mention of the type of resistor to use if in-key leds were to be used.  Are they through-hole or surface mount?  I'm guessing the latter.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 26 May 2016, 13:48:17

Would I run into any issues with putting the board together plateless? I'm asking because I had a board previously that wouldn't come together without the plate.

Plate looks like it will be required.
It has mounting points to the case, so I doubt the pcb will directly mount to the case. Especially since the inner shell is made from polycarbonate.


I don't recall seeing any mention of the type of resistor to use if in-key leds were to be used.  Are they through-hole or surface mount?  I'm guessing the latter.


The PCB looks like surface mount only to me.
Surface mount looks a lot cleaner anyway tho! =)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 26 May 2016, 13:49:17
Would I run into any issues with putting the board together plateless? I'm asking because I had a board previously that wouldn't come together without the plate.

Alps need a plate.  Cherry it's optional for switch, but this board probably needs the plate to work
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 26 May 2016, 13:50:02

Would I run into any issues with putting the board together plateless? I'm asking because I had a board previously that wouldn't come together without the plate.

Plate looks like it will be required.
It has mounting points to the case, so I doubt the pcb will directly mount to the case. Especially since the inner shell is made from polycarbonate.
Hmm, wonder if I can get an aluminum plate made somewhere.

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 26 May 2016, 13:54:46


Would I run into any issues with putting the board together plateless? I'm asking because I had a board previously that wouldn't come together without the plate.

Plate looks like it will be required.
It has mounting points to the case, so I doubt the pcb will directly mount to the case. Especially since the inner shell is made from polycarbonate.
Hmm, wonder if I can get an aluminum plate made somewhere.

You definitely could, laser cutting shouldn't be too expensive.
Some people have already announced interest in aluminum plates, so maybe we could arrange to have some plates made together.

I don't mind the stainless tbh, but I might be in for an aluminum plate set aswell.
Maybe zefyr would even supply the files if we ask kindly. =D
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 26 May 2016, 14:02:25


Would I run into any issues with putting the board together plateless? I'm asking because I had a board previously that wouldn't come together without the plate.

Plate looks like it will be required.
It has mounting points to the case, so I doubt the pcb will directly mount to the case. Especially since the inner shell is made from polycarbonate.
Hmm, wonder if I can get an aluminum plate made somewhere.

You definitely could, laser cutting shouldn't be too expensive.
Some people have already announced interest in aluminum plates, so maybe we could arrange to have some plates made together.

I don't mind the stainless tbh, but I might be in for an aluminum plate set aswell.
Maybe zefyr would even supply the files if we ask kindly. =D

I will.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Thu, 26 May 2016, 14:06:43
Announcement from oddforge

Improved PCB debugging was successful.
I produced another sample PCB (with express service... which is waaaaaaaaaay pricey... 150USD for 3 PCBs hahaha...)
Here's today's status.
Me and my partner has assembled two Kits
ANSI layout with default VE.A layout, and ISO layout with swapped left Space/FN.
Which means, Vergo type.T-II PCB (VE.A's PCB) now supports
- ISO(short left shift, vertical enter) layout.
- swappable left space/fn layout.

Everything is in function for now.
We have to do long stability test. (It's day one)
As mentioned, time is very short for enough test before GB ends.
So, here's deal.
We will do heavy stability test as possible as we can.
And we will announce once more in two days.

Wow.  I am constantly impressed by your diligence and perseverance.  Bravo.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 26 May 2016, 14:09:18

I will.
Awesome! Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 26 May 2016, 14:18:24



Would I run into any issues with putting the board together plateless? I'm asking because I had a board previously that wouldn't come together without the plate.

Plate looks like it will be required.
It has mounting points to the case, so I doubt the pcb will directly mount to the case. Especially since the inner shell is made from polycarbonate.
Hmm, wonder if I can get an aluminum plate made somewhere.

You definitely could, laser cutting shouldn't be too expensive.
Some people have already announced interest in aluminum plates, so maybe we could arrange to have some plates made together.

I don't mind the stainless tbh, but I might be in for an aluminum plate set aswell.
Maybe zefyr would even supply the files if we ask kindly. =D

I will.

Your the best zefyr! <3
Can't thank you enough brother-brother.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 26 May 2016, 14:21:47
Would I run into any issues with putting the board together plateless? I'm asking because I had a board previously that wouldn't come together without the plate.

Alps need a plate.  Cherry it's optional for switch, but this board probably needs the plate to work

VE.A needs plate. it's by design.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 26 May 2016, 14:28:42
Would I run into any issues with putting the board together plateless? I'm asking because I had a board previously that wouldn't come together without the plate.

Alps need a plate.  Cherry it's optional for switch, but this board probably needs the plate to work

VE.A needs plate. it's by design.

Interesting.  Probably will use steel and black switch though :)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: TerryMathews on Thu, 26 May 2016, 15:45:49

Announcement from oddforge

Improved PCB debugging was successful.
I produced another sample PCB (with express service... which is waaaaaaaaaay pricey... 150USD for 3 PCBs hahaha...)
Here's today's status.
Me and my partner has assembled two Kits
ANSI layout with default VE.A layout, and ISO layout with swapped left Space/FN.
Which means, Vergo type.T-II PCB (VE.A's PCB) now supports
- ISO(short left shift, vertical enter) layout.
- swappable left space/fn layout.

Everything is in function for now.
We have to do long stability test. (It's day one)
As mentioned, time is very short for enough test before GB ends.
So, here's deal.
We will do heavy stability test as possible as we can.
And we will announce once more in two days.


Awesome zefyr!
Thx Soo much for all the effort you put in to this!

So chances are we might be able to get the update pcb after the gb?

It would make the decision that much easy for me tbh. =)

I don't want to put words into Zefyr's mouth, but it read to me like he's still trying to get it done in time for the Massdrop.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: mason on Thu, 26 May 2016, 17:19:11
If anyone is willing to let me hop onto their order please pm me!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ccc24 on Thu, 26 May 2016, 20:00:04

Announcement from oddforge

Improved PCB debugging was successful.
I produced another sample PCB (with express service... which is waaaaaaaaaay pricey... 150USD for 3 PCBs hahaha...)
Here's today's status.
Me and my partner has assembled two Kits
ANSI layout with default VE.A layout, and ISO layout with swapped left Space/FN.
Which means, Vergo type.T-II PCB (VE.A's PCB) now supports
- ISO(short left shift, vertical enter) layout.
- swappable left space/fn layout.

Everything is in function for now.
We have to do long stability test. (It's day one)
As mentioned, time is very short for enough test before GB ends.
So, here's deal.
We will do heavy stability test as possible as we can.
And we will announce once more in two days.


Awesome zefyr!
Thx Soo much for all the effort you put in to this!

So chances are we might be able to get the update pcb after the gb?

It would make the decision that much easy for me tbh. =)

I don't want to put words into Zefyr's mouth, but it read to me like he's still trying to get it done in time for the Massdrop.

ya sounds like hes trying to get the two layouts into the massdrop buy. Still holding off because I do plan on buying an extra PCB just waiting to hear if I should it purchase the extra pcb through massdrop or if zefyr is selling it separately. 
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 26 May 2016, 22:34:19
OP updated

Video review added
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: KetchyKech on Thu, 26 May 2016, 22:52:56
Lol!! Never thought i'd see a korean custom on randomfrankp's channel!! I'm happy for it though~ but these youtube comments are killing me...

"What a marketing scam. At most this would cost $150-250. Its just one keyboard split in half."  :))

Guess thats youtube for ya ~

Was an awesome up close look at the keyboard though! Thank you!

Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 26 May 2016, 22:57:43
is there a picture anywhere of a dark grey case with a bare steel plate? i think all the ones on massdrop have black plates
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 26 May 2016, 23:24:52
is there a picture anywhere of a dark grey case with a bare steel plate? i think all the ones on massdrop have black plates

Darkgray is on Massdrop description.
Bare steel plate is pretty general, it's glare, silver, steel plate :)

You can see difference on oddforge website
http://oddforge.com/product/vea_assembly


Photo on assembly guide is Darkgray.
Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 26 May 2016, 23:36:45
is there a picture anywhere of a dark grey case with a bare steel plate? i think all the ones on massdrop have black plates

Darkgray is on Massdrop description.
Bare steel plate is pretty general, it's glare, silver, steel plate :)

You can see difference on oddforge website
http://oddforge.com/product/vea_assembly


Photo on assembly guide is Darkgray.
Thanks.

thanks! that looks beautiful
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Thu, 26 May 2016, 23:39:38
Lol!! Never thought i'd see a korean custom on randomfrankp's channel!! I'm happy for it though~ but these youtube comments are killing me...

"What a marketing scam. At most this would cost $150-250. Its just one keyboard split in half."  :))

Guess thats youtube for ya ~

Was an awesome up close look at the keyboard though! Thank you!

Yeh... I saw that too. Probably he is not familiar with custom keyboard kit :)
And producing cost of CNC (especially it's made in Korea)
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: alienman82 on Fri, 27 May 2016, 00:09:25
Lol!! Never thought i'd see a korean custom on randomfrankp's channel!! I'm happy for it though~ but these youtube comments are killing me...

"What a marketing scam. At most this would cost $150-250. Its just one keyboard split in half."  :))

Guess thats youtube for ya ~

Was an awesome up close look at the keyboard though! Thank you!

Yeh... I saw that too. Probably he is not familiar with custom keyboard kit :)
And producing cost of CNC (especially it's made in Korea)

Can I get a time machine?  I want my kit today -.-;;; thanks so much for designing this!!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 27 May 2016, 07:55:51
Lol!! Never thought i'd see a korean custom on randomfrankp's channel!! I'm happy for it though~ but these youtube comments are killing me...

"What a marketing scam. At most this would cost $150-250. Its just one keyboard split in half."  :))

Guess thats youtube for ya ~

Was an awesome up close look at the keyboard though! Thank you!

Yeh... I saw that too. Probably he is not familiar with custom keyboard kit :)
And producing cost of CNC (especially it's made in Korea)

I couldn't let that one go, and had to respond.  I'm stupid that way, but it was just really unfair.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: E3E on Fri, 27 May 2016, 12:41:15
Lol!! Never thought i'd see a korean custom on randomfrankp's channel!! I'm happy for it though~ but these youtube comments are killing me...

"What a marketing scam. At most this would cost $150-250. Its just one keyboard split in half."  :))

Guess thats youtube for ya ~

Was an awesome up close look at the keyboard though! Thank you!

Call me single-minded, but my only concern was if he got to keep it for free. And by free, I mean just from doing a review on it.

Say it isn't so. :P
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: hoggy on Sat, 28 May 2016, 06:03:28
Finally got around to ordering. 

Zefyr - you've done a fantastic job!
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: ipreferpie on Sat, 28 May 2016, 07:39:43
Thanks for the constant updates, Zefyr! I'm sure it'll be an amazing board with all the care you're putting in. And I just have some questions on the ALPS plate that you're planning. Can it allow for MX stabilzers in conjuction with ALPS switches? I'm planning on using ALPS to MX  adapters so having either Costar or Cherry MX stabilzers would be a great combo


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Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: Data on Sat, 28 May 2016, 11:21:22
Lol!! Never thought i'd see a korean custom on randomfrankp's channel!! I'm happy for it though~ but these youtube comments are killing me...

"What a marketing scam. At most this would cost $150-250. Its just one keyboard split in half."  :))

Guess thats youtube for ya ~

Was an awesome up close look at the keyboard though! Thank you!

Call me single-minded, but my only concern was if he got to keep it for free. And by free, I mean just from doing a review on it.

Say it isn't so. :P

Pretty sure that's the Massdrop production sample.  They sent it out last week so it could be reviewed.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: TerryMathews on Sat, 28 May 2016, 18:36:45
I'm just throwing this out there in case anyone else is interested in putting one of the more recent popular cap sets on this once it arrives.

The left space key is 2u, the right space key is 2.75u according to the key layout posted by MassDrop. PMK has 2u and 2.75u blanks in stock.

GKK is the light color grey that matches the alphas on Granite and Quartz. GEC is the dark colored grey that matches the space bar of Quartz. Both are currently in stock in the needed sizes. GDE is the dark color on Granite, but it's only in stock on one of the two blanks (Don't recall which).

I really wanted the blue from Quartz (BFV) but the didn't have it in stock. Sad face.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: krisst on Sat, 28 May 2016, 22:48:24
I'm just throwing this out there in case anyone else is interested in putting one of the more recent popular cap sets on this once it arrives.

The left space key is 2u, the right space key is 2.75u according to the key layout posted by MassDrop. PMK has 2u and 2.75u blanks in stock.

GKK is the light color grey that matches the alphas on Granite and Quartz. GEC is the dark colored grey that matches the space bar of Quartz. Both are currently in stock in the needed sizes. GDE is the dark color on Granite, but it's only in stock on one of the two blanks (Don't recall which).

I really wanted the blue from Quartz (BFV) but the didn't have it in stock. Sad face.

Thank you. Too bad PMK do no stock 2.75u SA blanks, unless I missed it. Been thinking on what keycaps to use, hope future keycaps set add those spacebars into kits.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: TerryMathews on Sun, 29 May 2016, 00:27:21
More importantly, it looks like all of the row 3 blanks are out of stock. I'm hoping there will be some after PuLSE ships. Might be wishful thinking.
Title: Re: [IC] VE.A
Post by: zefyr on Sun, 29 May 2016, 09:32:04
Announcement from oddforge

Stability test was successful for two days.
(I'm writing this with ISO + Space/FN Swapped version of VE.A)
Still there is some chance for failure cause short test period.

And you probably knows already.
If you use VE.A with full LED on, plugged non-powered USB hub can cause