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Offline xondat

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VE.A Discussion Thread
« on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 04:21:29 »
The creator:

Vermillion or zefyr (ZeFyr "Vermillion" J.) is a Korean based keyboard creator, making the following: Vergo type.T, alpetit, alpetit II, VE.A with Vergo type.T-II. He is a member of the KBDLAB and has always been interested in building "endgame" ergonomic keyboards.

"Vergo" is a mixture of Vermillion and Ergonomic. The VE.A is an updated version of all the ergonomic boards he has designed and made. This one comes with a stand so that it is more comfortable to type on, but it seems optional.

History:

The first round was private, as it was mainly a test of quality and for the production time scale. He kept it to people that he talked to very often, so that he could get good feedback about how the board held up. Last round was very personal, and had custom engraving and numbered parts but this won't be involved this time.

He has ran a few group buys before, and this is the first international one. There is already a lot of hype around the VE.A, so spots will fill up quickly.

Specification of VE.A:
  • Four pieces of Aluminium Armor (Aluminium 6061), Anodized
  • Two pieces of Poly-Carbonate Frame
  • Two pieces of 1.5T STS Switch mounting plate
  • Two pieces of 0.8T STS Laser marked plate
  • Matching 3M urethane bumpon included
FAQ:

When will this happen?
No date is set in stone, but late February is a possibility.

What switches can the PCB take?
MX and Alps.

What connection links the two parts?
SATA.

Is there a list to get one of these boards?
Originally, there was. But due to the amount of interest there isn't one anymore.

What is the expected cost?
$400-450. There is Korean tax too, which is 10% + 3.4%.

How many can be made?
First mention was 30, second was 50. Somewhere between there.

What colors are available?
Black, silver & possibly dark gray. This may change.

What other options will be available?
Acrylic stand & pre-soldering will be included as an option.

What firmware will be used?
BootMapperClient by winkeyless.kr

Gallery:

















Other links:

VE.A GB post
Initial Sample
Final Sample
Vergo Stand
« Last Edit: Fri, 03 June 2016, 02:24:02 by xondat »

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 09:23:11 »
post a summary from what I know.
hope to be helpful.

VE.A stands for Vermillion's Ergo(nomic) keyboard - Armored.
Vermillion is a member of KBDLAB. He has been interested with building an ergonomic style keyboard consistently.
Usually keyboards he has made are called "Vergo", which means Vermillion's Ergonomic.
VE.A is the enhanced Vergo succeeds the previous one.
Basically it should be equipped with some pairs of stand(so-called Vergo Stand) in order to adjust a tilt angle.
Using Vergo Stand, a pair of palm rest also should be prepared to type on VE.A with stability.
Additionally a small plate to engrave something personal such as words, symbols or drawings is available optionally.

Some links are below.

VE.A GB post (needs to log in)
Initial Sample
Final Sample
Vergo Stand
« Last Edit: Fri, 29 January 2016, 09:25:42 by luckyryan333 »
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 09:39:33 »
Thanks for the compilation of information. I recall the creator posting in a thread within the past month and the VE.A has been receiving some mention in threads ever since :D.
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 15:16:11 »
Yeah, this is all kinds of amazing, and probably endgame for very many. Thanks for making this thread, and thanks to any and all who contribute information regarding the keyboard-  - not simply for info that would lead to inclusion in the imminent groupbuy (if thats a reality).

Heres to hoping we garner enough of an interest for someone to coordinate a group buy on our end.  :thumb:
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 15:19:21 »
As far as I know there is a possibility that there will be orders opened up to international for the next round which is late February. Perhaps if enough interest is shown then they will decide to sell some for us. There's still a chance that it may be limited to kbdlab. The first GB was a private/secret one.

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 15:32:13 »
that vergo type T, wasn't so bad either... (credits to /u/hmwgbworld on da reddits)



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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:02:04 »
I use broken vintage alps keyboards for my custom keyboard.

Here's some of my works.

1. alpetit II : Alps Salmon Pink Switch from Dell AT101
acrylic housing + 1.5T STS mounting plate.
(Attachment Link)
It's no good for me. I don't use it. Switches are too damaged, I just assembled this for sample shots. What a waste.

2. alpetit II : Alps Plate Spring Switch from IBM 5576-001 and Keycaps from Apple M0115 + M0116
acrylic housing + 1.2T STS mounting plate.
(Attachment Link)
One of my favorite. The clicky sounds and tactile feeling are so addictive. (I replaced housing with red one after took youtube video stream.)

3. VE.A : Alps Green Linear Switch from Zenith ZKB-2 and Keycaps from Apple M3501 + M0116
CNC aluminium Armor + CNC Poly Carbonate Frame + 1.5T STS mounting plate.
(Attachment Link)
This is my weapon of choice. Just perfect for my taste.
Alps green linear switch is my favorite.
It has subtle tactile feeling even it's designed as a linear mechanism.
Pressure is not that light, but bouncy.
I coated its slider with krytox lubs, feels a little soaked but smooth.

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« Last Edit: Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:08:53 by Lepidus »

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 01:42:06 »
sweet any price estimates?

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 10:26:29 »
sweet any price estimates?

For the private GB it was ~$400 so I'd assume a little more than that for international, if possible.

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 11:59:00 »
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 14:33:37 »
This keyboard is incredible. Can't wait for the international GB.
Mmm... machined aluminum

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 14:38:52 »
wow that alps plate spring switch.. sounds so sweet
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 15:47:58 »
sweet any price estimates?

For the private GB it was ~$400 so I'd assume a little more than that for international, if possible.

man that's steep. Hopefully we can get someone here on GH to get in contact with people over at kbdlab and get a GB for us.

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 30 January 2016, 16:27:33 »
sweet any price estimates?

For the private GB it was ~$400 so I'd assume a little more than that for international, if possible.

man that's steep. Hopefully we can get someone here on GH to get in contact with people over at kbdlab and get a GB for us.

I did forget to add that that price was with fees and shipping included. I wouldn't say it's cheap but that's the normal price. Look at Ducks, LZs, etc., after all the fees you'll be looking at ~$400 for a board.

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 08:04:23 »
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.

1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?

I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.
ZeFyr "Vermillion" J.

Vergo type.T / alpetit / alpetit II / VE.A with Vergo type.T-II

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 08:09:13 »
Hi ZeFyr,

1.6 months?
2. PayPal is my preferred payment method
3. Group buys here start to collect payment before production.

Hope it helps
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 08:15:30 »
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.

1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?

I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.

Hey Zefyr,

Welcome to geekhack!

I've noticed for keyboards GB a good one will usually be around 2-3 months. Some GBs, like the Orion v2, have lasted 9 months but that is obviously not ideal. I think if you can get your first group buy to be around 3-4 months that would be fantastic, the sooner the better but I can understand waiting for production.

PayPal is usually the preferred payment method that we like to use for GBs.

Normal GBs would have a 2 week order period and then send out invoices for them to be paid and start production. I noticed that the faster GBs already put an order in to the shop to get production going before they are paid by the members but that can require a fair bit of money beforehand.

I'm super excited to try and get my hands on one of your boards, it looks really interesting!

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 08:19:57 »
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.

1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?

I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.

Amazing board. Definitely want it, please make this happen.
          
HHKB Pro 2    HHKB Pro 2   Realforce 87U       WhiteFox        Keyboardio
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 08:48:41 »
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.

1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?

I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.

Welcome to Geekhack; nice to have you here.

Regarding your 3 questions, I ran a survey asking 2 of those, so I can PM you the results later if you wish. I'd say PayPal for the payment method though, its the easiest and safest way.

If you need any help or someone to talk to, feel free to PM and I'll try and help! :thumb:

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 09:04:12 »
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.

1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?

I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.

Welcome to Geekhack; nice to have you here.

Regarding your 3 questions, I ran a survey asking 2 of those, so I can PM you the results later if you wish. I'd say PayPal for the payment method though, its the easiest and safest way.

If you need any help or someone to talk to, feel free to PM and I'll try and help! :thumb:

Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.

1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?

I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.

Amazing board. Definitely want it, please make this happen.


Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.

1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?

I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.

Hey Zefyr,

Welcome to geekhack!

I've noticed for keyboards GB a good one will usually be around 2-3 months. Some GBs, like the Orion v2, have lasted 9 months but that is obviously not ideal. I think if you can get your first group buy to be around 3-4 months that would be fantastic, the sooner the better but I can understand waiting for production.

PayPal is usually the preferred payment method that we like to use for GBs.

Normal GBs would have a 2 week order period and then send out invoices for them to be paid and start production. I noticed that the faster GBs already put an order in to the shop to get production going before they are paid by the members but that can require a fair bit of money beforehand.

I'm super excited to try and get my hands on one of your boards, it looks really interesting!

Hi ZeFyr,

1.6 months?
2. PayPal is my preferred payment method
3. Group buys here start to collect payment before production.

Hope it helps


Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.

1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?

I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.

Welcome to Geekhack; nice to have you here.

Regarding your 3 questions, I ran a survey asking 2 of those, so I can PM you the results later if you wish. I'd say PayPal for the payment method though, its the easiest and safest way.

If you need any help or someone to talk to, feel free to PM and I'll try and help! :thumb:

Well, this is nice and quick, surprised.
I got my answers, thanks guys.
I'll link my PayPal account with my bank account first.
I asked same question to kbdlab designers who has international GB experiences.
First GB of VE.A was made shipping in about 1.5month. So 3 months that I can make I think :)
Thanks for quick reply.
ZeFyr "Vermillion" J.

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 09:41:37 »
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.

1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?

I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.

Hello there Vermillion!! Thank you for coming on here and talking to us! I think your product is superb (from all i've gathered thus far), and am super excited you are seeking information pertaining to our market  !! I'm confident that many people are interested and willing to wait for one of your keyboards.

 P.S. - please also consider making the stand available !!
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 10:21:55 »
I feel like I have to make something about VE.A clear.

1. Why first round of VE.A was private?
- I have simple answer for that.
It was my first metal housing design-production trial.
As you know, small production is really expensive. CNC, MCT, Laser... under 1k quantity is all really expensive. ( I tried so hard to keep it low as I could. )
So, I asked everyone for one condition of joining GB.
'It probably cannot meet the quality what you paid for, I cannot guarantee about quality and production schedule.'
That's why. True story.

2. I rejected some application for first round, but accepted some what was the point?
- I have simple answer for that too.
I accepted who has been kept touch with me in months. We talked about condition and so on for a long time.

3. Will Second round will go?
- I don't have the answer what you might want.
I'm super busy recently. My occupation is software engineer / programmer in a small company of damn-worker-lurking-country.
If things goes well as I planned (and of course my clients is satisfied about what I make), I might can make some time for my hobby again.
As Steezus mentioned, since VE.A has introduced at GH and KBDLAB, there was requests about 2nd round that I can make it through MoQ.

Any question is welcome. I'm really happy to have conversation about split-keyboard "internationally".
And again, thanks for your interest on my humble design.
ZeFyr "Vermillion" J.

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 10:26:41 »
Oh...
Hello guys.
I'm Vermillion, designer of VE series.
At first, sorry about lack of GB information.
It's because, I myself have no estimation of schedule, money flow... etc.
I'll do my best to make it. -After late Feb, I'm super busy recently.-
And here's some question about GB.

1. How long can you wait for shipping?
2. What kind of payment method you prefer or used?
3. When did former GBs on GH stared payment process? before production? or before shipping?

I'm total international trade rookie (not a virgin, I sold "three" of'em. lol)
Need your gentle help.
Thanks again guys for having interest on my board.

Hello there Vermillion!! Thank you for coming on here and talking to us! I think your product is superb (from all i've gathered thus far), and am super excited you are seeking information pertaining to our market  !! I'm confident that many people are interested and willing to wait for one of your keyboards.

 P.S. - please also consider making the stand available !!

I think I can make it as an option. (In ROK, it costs about 35000 KRW, it's about 30 USD)
Thanks for suggestion.
ZeFyr "Vermillion" J.

Vergo type.T / alpetit / alpetit II / VE.A with Vergo type.T-II

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 10:57:01 »
If you haven't used Paypal to accept large sums of money before, please be aware that they may lock the money for a period of time before releasing it to you, and they may request proof that you are shipping out a tangible good. It is possible if you speak to them beforehand that this will not occur.

Someone may be able to provide more information regarding this, but I have seen various people experience this before from different backgrounds (vinyl record boxsets, things here on GH) when accepting "pre-order" money.
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 11:03:37 »
If you haven't used Paypal to accept large sums of money before, please be aware that they may lock the money for a period of time before releasing it to you, and they may request proof that you are shipping out a tangible good. It is possible if you speak to them beforehand that this will not occur.

Someone may be able to provide more information regarding this, but I have seen various people experience this before from different backgrounds (vinyl record boxsets, things here on GH) when accepting "pre-order" money.

Thank you so much! Good point!
I'll check that before starting GB.
ZeFyr "Vermillion" J.

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 31 January 2016, 11:18:30 »
I'll just leave this here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=63296.0

I knew I saw an earlier post about this!

Quote
2. alpetit II : Alps Plate Spring Switch from IBM 5576-001 and Keycaps from Apple M0115 + M0116
acrylic housing + 1.2T STS mounting plate.
(Attachment Link)
One of my favorite. The clicky sounds and tactile feeling are so addictive. (I replaced housing with red one after took youtube video stream.)

I actually just received an IBM P70 keyboard with Alps Plate Spring switches and they are very interesting. I don't think I like them as much as Alps SKCM, but they are fantastic in their own right and the compatibility in terms of caps with Alps SKCM/SKCL is fantastic.

-

Looking forward to seeing your progress here, Zefyr. Your VE.A will likely be my last custom  for a good amount of time so I can focus on other things (aside from finishing up my second hotswappable Alps Eagle build and Alps hotswappable Lightpad conversion) so it'll be a fantastic board to really wrap things up!

I wish I could help you more with that Caps Lock stepping issue. Is it more so because the PCB is both Alps and Cherry MX that causes the conflict, or would it be this way if it were just an Alps PCB alone, good sir?

Again, thanks for stopping by here, Zefyr. It isn't often we see people from the more elusive kbdlab stop by here and offer their custom products!
« Last Edit: Sun, 31 January 2016, 11:27:48 by E3E »

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 01 February 2016, 14:54:07 »
hotswappable Alps

Bit of a n00b question here, but does hotswappable Alps mean that you can simply pull out a switch without desoldering, stick a different one in, and have it working immediately?
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 01 February 2016, 15:01:47 »
hotswappable Alps

Bit of a n00b question here, but does hotswappable Alps mean that you can simply pull out a switch without desoldering, stick a different one in, and have it working immediately?

Yes.
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 01 February 2016, 15:04:10 »
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 01 February 2016, 19:55:48 »
Watching the hell out of this thread!  God damn I want this!

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 01 February 2016, 20:02:14 »
Watching the hell out of this thread!  God damn I want this!

this thread is being watched so hard - - by so manyy, im sure  ;)
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 01 February 2016, 20:03:47 »
Really interesting and great looking board! Gotta keep my eye on this!

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #33 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 03:05:02 »
I had a big misunderstanding about GB rule.

New Member rule :

YOU NEED AT LEAST 25 POSTS AND 60 DAYS OF MEMBERSHIP TO POST NEW TOPICS IN CLASSIFIEDS & GROUP BUYS

I thought it was 6 months but yey it's not, I'll be qualified to start GB here in a week.
So, I'll run GB here and kbdlab same time.

I got some PM about limitation of quantity.
I asked my factory guy one month maximum productivity, and he said "Easily over what you can get from GB."
But frankly how many application can I get? like 10 of'em? I doubt it. (Hey you all know it's expensive. even I know. lol)
I'll keep it as many as I can handle, about 30 will be limit.
I mean by "handle" is, in my small room, while my kids and wife sleeping, all alone, at midnight, writing flash, packaging tiny chips in little zip-bag, stocking, shipping, again all alone.
(You should be in Korea, when I say "my room" to my married friends, they all get jelly. YES I have my own small den in my micro -sweet- home.)

Plus, I'm not a -be fair-let's start now!-type-guy. All who sent PM or e-mail, I noted. You all get priority of application. So don't worry.

All you should worry about is "My boss and my clients have to be happy about what I'm building now."
Unless, GB is all gone. I have three mouths to feed.
Cheers to all fathers over the geek world.
« Last Edit: Tue, 02 February 2016, 05:26:43 by zefyr »
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #34 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 03:24:06 »
My VE.A & VE.A stand ^^


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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 06:49:44 »
I get paid at the end of the month, I'd love to get a spot in this. 30 sounds like a good number.
Very excited now. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #36 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:00:43 »
I get paid at the end of the month, I'd love to get a spot in this. 30 sounds like a good number.
Very excited now. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for starting this thread xondat.
You are already on my list.
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:03:24 »
watching this thread very closely.

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #38 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:06:26 »
If there's going to be a limited quantity, are you going to number them?

I think that would be cool.
          
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #39 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:31:06 »
I just talked with my partner (I mentioned him as my factory guy.)
He also watching this thread (even before I found this thread) and excited about it.

Here's plan.

First, limit quantity is 30.
it can be more if someone helps me quality checking and packaging and shipping.  ;D

Second, application priority.
As I said. I have list. it hit 10th and I consider my list as "pre-survey for production quantity estimation".
Even if list (hopefully) gets 30th name, I'll keep adding list for estimation.
Since my past 4~5 GBs experience, not all people who touched me before GB has joined actual GB. about 30% of them are touched me "just for in case of..." purpose.
I'm a man who think promise seriously, even if it was not a formal mention. So who made contact with me personally will get priority in order.

Third, schedule.
As I planned, I'll start late Feb.
Even if I cannot make spare time for GB, my partner will help. He also can communicate in English.

Fourth, options excluded.
My friends who joined 1st round wants to keep VE.A special, unique, rare thing.
So 2nd round 'personal laser name plate' will be excluded.
And Color option will be simple. Black and Silver. (maybe Dark Grey?)
Gold, Green will not be produced this time.

Fifth, options added.
Acrylic stand will be included as an option.
Pre-soldering will be included as an option, I already reserved best keyboard workshop in R.O.K.

Any question is welcome.
I'm so excited!

-ZeF
« Last Edit: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:41:31 by zefyr »
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #40 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:35:05 »
If there's going to be a limited quantity, are you going to number them?

I think that would be cool.

No I won't.
I'll keep 1st round production's specialty.
I'm considering 2nd round as mass production or ready-made thing. (... yes I know 30 is not "mass")
So there will be no personalization nor specialty.
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:36:00 »
I just talked with my partner (I mentioned him as my factory guy.)
I also watching this thread (even before I found this thread) and excited about it.

Here's plan.

First, limit quantity is 30.
it can be more if someone helps me quality checking and packaging and shipping.  ;D

Second, application priority.
As I said. I have list. it hit 10th and I consider my list as "pre-survey for production quantity estimation".
Even if list (hopefully) gets 30th name, I'll keep adding list for estimation.
Since my past 4~5 GBs experience, not all people who touched me before GB has joined actual GB. about 30% of them are touched me "just for in case of..." purpose.
I'm a man who think promise seriously, even if it was not a formal mention. So who made contact with me personally will get priority in order.

Third, schedule.
As I planned, I'll start late Feb.
Even if I cannot make spare time for GB, my partner will help. He also can communicate in English.

Fourth, options excluded.
My friends who joined 1st round wants to keep VE.A special, unique, rare thing.
So 2nd round 'personal laser name plate' will be excluded.
And Color option will be simple. Black and Silver. (maybe Dark Grey?)
Gold, Green will not be produced this time.

Fifth, options added.
Acrylic stand will be included as an option.
Pre-soldering will be included as an option, I already reserved best keyboard workshop in R.O.K.

Any question is welcome.
I'm so excited!

-ZeF

Hopefully I can be allowed to join the GB!
I need more keyboards to hold all of these keycaps.

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:38:55 »
Thanks for the update, I think keeping the colour options simple for this run makes sense, though I wouldn't mind dark grey as an option (would be my choice :).
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:44:09 »
Is the board programmable with multiple layers?
Does it support NKRO?

I still want the board, love the design, just wondering that's all
          
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:44:30 »
List just hit 15th
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:48:42 »
Is the board programmable with multiple layers?
Does it support NKRO?

I still want the board, love the design, just wondering that's all

It uses winkeyless BootMapperClient as control program.
You can use 4 programmable layers, custom RGB effect, hardware custom macro, software realtime macro. and so on.

Here's information about firmware.
http://blog.winkeyless.kr/181
« Last Edit: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:50:28 by zefyr »
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 08:59:49 »
I NEED one of these. Hitting you up via pm now.
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:07:58 »
I'm such a sucker for good Ergo boards. ;)
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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:12:37 »
. . . because the PCB is both Alps and Cherry MX that causes the conflict, or would it be this way if it were just an Alps PCB alone, good sir?
The PCB supports both Alps and MX? Same for plate?
Could one board have both Alps and MX?

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Re: VE.A Discussion Thread
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 02 February 2016, 09:12:48 »

List just hit 15th

Zefyr,

  I would purchase as well, is this list the one on kdlab? Or how we sign up?

Thanks