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Title: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 04 September 2017, 10:32:46
Good day, everyone!
This is an IC for a set of 10 GMK Big Ass enter keys in community colourways.
I've set aside WoB and Black On Beige , as they are the OG colourways most people care about.
Michael from GMK has confirmed to me that the key molds exists, in Icon only or Icon + Text form.

The IC GForm(updated): https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc9SDqLcFBCWD55QmhrdnQdh-9_jjQZ9cDehj1WMan0rsCXVg/viewform?usp=sf_link


Happy Clacking!!!! :)


Edit: I forgot to add that the stabilizers are in ISO configuration
I've emailed GMK about this. We are sorting out the stabilizer configuration
Edit2 : Added a pic of the stab configuration, courtesy of Ideus

09/10/2017 Sorry about not answering for a while, but it's a full two weeks and I haven't had the time. I've contacted GMK about the backspace key, the stabilizer configuration and MOQ.
18/10/2017 Still no answer from GMK.New poll is up
23/10/2017 Still no answer from GMK. :(
30/10/2017 No answer from ze Germans yet. Comment down below for which sets you would like to see rendered
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 04 September 2017, 10:43:13
Reserved!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: t8c on Mon, 04 September 2017, 10:48:23
Cool! Any chance for a 1u backspace/delete icon like this ?

(http://i.imgur.com/BtrQH2O.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: scwoopz on Mon, 04 September 2017, 11:19:11
Cool! Any chance for a 1u backspace/delete icon like this ?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BtrQH2O.jpg)

Why would that icon go on the big ass enter? This is only a group buy for those.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 04 September 2017, 11:32:18
Cool! Any chance for a 1u backspace/delete icon like this ?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BtrQH2O.jpg)

Why would that icon go on the big ass enter? This is only a group buy for those.
It's not out of the question to add a 1U backspace key to match each keyset.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: scwoopz on Mon, 04 September 2017, 11:33:38
Cool! Any chance for a 1u backspace/delete icon like this ?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BtrQH2O.jpg)

Why would that icon go on the big ass enter? This is only a group buy for those.
It's not out of the question to add a 1U backspace key to match each keyset.
Ah. Makes more sense now.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 04 September 2017, 11:36:15
Cool! Any chance for a 1u backspace/delete icon like this ?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/BtrQH2O.jpg)

Why would that icon go on the big ass enter? This is only a group buy for those.
It's not out of the question to add a 1U backspace key to match each keyset.
Ah. Makes more sense now.
I wanted to leave that decision to the community, as it increases the price a little bit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ullr on Mon, 04 September 2017, 11:40:07
Personally I donít have any keyboards with big ass Enter, but this is perfect for Yuri because Iím pretty sure actual Russian keyboards use big ass enter
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: Auk on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:04:37
Yuri

is MD exclusive
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:31:20
Yuri

is MD exclusive
I've spoken with tomb3ry and he has given me permission to add Carbon, Yuri and Eclipse to the list. If he said no I would not have felt confortable running the IC.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:35:11
Can any PCB with ISO support and QMK be used for BAE layout?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: Auk on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:37:20
I've spoken with tomb3ry...

That's good, but to do this you have to run it through MD? I asked about getting other add-ons for Yuri before, and that was my understanding of them having exclusivity on the colorway.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:40:25
Can any PCB with ISO support and QMK be used for BAE layout?

I think it might be the case if the big ass enter fits an ANSI stabs positions and the \| stem. It is a legitimate question, does anyone have a picture of the bottom of a GMK made BAE?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:42:33
Can any PCB with ISO support and QMK be used for BAE layout?
As long as it supports split backspace and ISO enter,it should be fine
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:46:05
Here is an underneath picture of a BAE key and it seems it fits ISO enter stem and stab positions plus the key to the left of it. The PCB shall be programmable, able to take ISO Enter and split backspace.

(https://i.imgur.com/r94Xjxr.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: scwoopz on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:46:27
I've spoken with tomb3ry...

That's good, but to do this you have to run it through MD? I asked about getting other add-ons for Yuri before, and that was my understanding of them having exclusivity on the colorway.
Can you genuine own a set of colors, though? Seems like a weird idea to me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: Auk on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:50:57
Can you genuine own a set of colors, though? Seems like a weird idea to me.

If they were willing to pay for it, Massdrop or anyone else could certainly get a contractual agreement with GMK that GMK will not mix the particular combinations of red on blue for anyone else, either for some months or years, or permanently.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:53:16
Can you genuine own a set of colors, though? Seems like a weird idea to me.

If they were willing to pay for it, Massdrop or anyone else could certainly get a contractual agreement with GMK that GMK will not mix the particular combinations of red on blue for anyone else, either for some months or years, or permanently.
Let me email Yanbo about it to see where he stands.
Edit: The dude's name is Yanbo, not Yambo
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: Auk on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:55:29
Let me email Yambo about it to see where he stands.

Maybe the exclusivity already expired? If T0mb3ry said you're good to use this and didn't mention MD perhaps it's not any issue now?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: theillumedpanda on Mon, 04 September 2017, 13:04:37
Can any PCB with ISO support and QMK be used for BAE layout?
As long as it supports split backspace and ISO enter,it should be fine
Depending on the price, I'll most likely get 1 to match a few of my GMK sets. Not sure if I'd actually use it, but it looks super cool.

Could you let us know if a regular PCB supports the big ass enter key? Getting a special PCB would definitely make this less appealing.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 04 September 2017, 13:06:26
Let me email Yambo about it to see where he stands.

Maybe the exclusivity already expired? If T0mb3ry said you're good to use this and didn't mention MD perhaps it's not any issue now?
Idk. Maybe he meant I had the Go ahead for the IC and then if it reached GB status I would need to speak with Yanbo
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 04 September 2017, 13:09:35
Can any PCB with ISO support and QMK be used for BAE layout?
As long as it supports split backspace and ISO enter,it should be fine
Depending on the price, I'll most likely get 1 to match a few of my GMK sets. Not sure if I'd actually use it, but it looks super cool.

Could you let us know if a regular PCB supports the big ass enter key? Getting a special PCB would definitely make this less appealing.
As long as it supports ISO enter and split backspace  and is programable, you should be fine.
You could also split a shift instead of the backspace.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: Auk on Mon, 04 September 2017, 13:11:25
Idk. Maybe he meant I had the Go ahead for the IC and then if it reached GB status I would need to speak with Yanbo

Possibly. I don't see a big problem with this, it's just a detail that needs to be resolved and from MD's perspective I suspect they will just say go ahead and run it yourself, or they will ask that the GB goes through them.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Mon, 04 September 2017, 21:56:26
Just in case someone wonder how the GMK BAE fits on a board. In a programmable PCB the BAE can be easily swapped with ISO Enter.


(https://i.imgur.com/h00LTrn.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: base on Tue, 05 September 2017, 20:27:42
Very cool idea, although I'd be more interested in a regular-ass enter pack to go with the pile of Esc keys I've amassed from various packs to accent some of my more plain sets   ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Tue, 05 September 2017, 20:40:21
Very cool idea, although I'd be more interested in a regular-ass enter pack to go with the pile of Esc keys I've amassed from various packs to accent some of my more plain sets   ;D


There is a sort of "regular" Enter pack coming at reddit and DT.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: pomk on Wed, 06 September 2017, 02:37:34
Just in case someone wonder how the GMK BAE fits on a board. In a programmable PCB the BAE can be easily swapped with ISO Enter.


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/h00LTrn.jpg)

I'm afraid it wont fit. On the iso enter the vertical stems are at the center of the 1.25U area, while in the bae enter they are centered at the 1.5U area.  :(
You would need new pcbs and plates.

edit: though gmk might have different stabilizer setups for this key, maybe worth asking. ANSI stabs and top key would be the most compatible.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Wed, 06 September 2017, 07:48:54
Just in case someone wonder how the GMK BAE fits on a board. In a programmable PCB the BAE can be easily swapped with ISO Enter.


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/h00LTrn.jpg)

I'm afraid it wont fit. On the iso enter the vertical stems are at the center of the 1.25U area, while in the bae enter they are centered at the 1.5U area.  :(
You would need new pcbs and plates.

edit: though gmk might have different stabilizer setups for this key, maybe worth asking. ANSI stabs and top key would be the most compatible.



I agree that the stems positions of the mold intended to be used should be checked.


For the record, both pictures are Cherry made boards and key caps, therefore, it is very likely that the mold available at GMK is the same. Personally, I would prefer this same design, because it fits over an standard ISO layout, which most contemporary PCBs fit, even Steel series boards have the same layout and in general, it seems that this layout is the most common, in the other hand, I do not see what PCBs or keyboards would take something like the bottom picture and it seems that it would have more mechanical interferences due to the large hollow stem.


Cherry key cap
(https://i.imgur.com/r94Xjxr.jpg)


Cherry board that takes Cherry key cap
(https://i.imgur.com/h00LTrn.jpg)


Steel board that takes Cherry key cap
(https://i.imgur.com/vSw54IV.jpg)


Other design, that I do not know what board can take
(https://i.imgur.com/rb1xweB.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: romevi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 08:13:20
IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 06 September 2017, 16:00:31
IT'S PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME.
Peanut buttah ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 06 September 2017, 20:27:11
Very cool idea, although I'd be more interested in a regular-ass enter pack to go with the pile of Esc keys I've amassed from various packs to accent some of my more plain sets   ;D


There is a sort of "regular" Enter pack coming at reddit and DT.

do you have a link?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: base on Wed, 06 September 2017, 20:44:26
Very cool idea, although I'd be more interested in a regular-ass enter pack to go with the pile of Esc keys I've amassed from various packs to accent some of my more plain sets   ;D


There is a sort of "regular" Enter pack coming at reddit and DT.

do you have a link?

Pretty sure this is the one - 
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6rsrb1/ic_shtpost_return_key/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6rsrb1/ic_shtpost_return_key/)
https://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/****post-return-key-t17131.html#p381732 (https://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/****post-return-key-t17131.html#p381732)

Not exactly "regular", but might have to jump on it if it goes to GB.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Wed, 06 September 2017, 20:52:55
Very cool idea, although I'd be more interested in a regular-ass enter pack to go with the pile of Esc keys I've amassed from various packs to accent some of my more plain sets   ;D


There is a sort of "regular" Enter pack coming at reddit and DT.

do you have a link?

Pretty sure this is the one - 
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6rsrb1/ic_shtpost_return_key/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6rsrb1/ic_shtpost_return_key/)
https://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/****post-return-key-t17131.html#p381732 (https://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/****post-return-key-t17131.html#p381732)

Not exactly "regular", but might have to jump on it if it goes to GB.


Yeah, that is the kind of, sort of, pretty close to regular, not so "Enter" keys.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: pomk on Thu, 07 September 2017, 06:07:26
Just in case someone wonder how the GMK BAE fits on a board. In a programmable PCB the BAE can be easily swapped with ISO Enter.


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/h00LTrn.jpg)

I'm afraid it wont fit. On the iso enter the vertical stems are at the center of the 1.25U area, while in the bae enter they are centered at the 1.5U area.  :(
You would need new pcbs and plates.

edit: though gmk might have different stabilizer setups for this key, maybe worth asking. ANSI stabs and top key would be the most compatible.



I agree that the stems positions of the mold intended to be used should be checked.


... Personally, I would prefer this same design, because it fits over an standard ISO layout, which most contemporary PCBs fit ...


Cherry key cap
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/r94Xjxr.jpg)

Except that this does not fit on a ISO layout board. See how the vertical stems are aligned on the 1.25U part in the ISO enter and on the 1.5U part in the BAE.

(http://i.imgur.com/ShzHp.jpg)

New PCBs and plates are needed for the keycap posted by ideus. We should ask if they have BAE with stem positions that would be compatible with either ansi or ISO layout switch & stabilizer locations.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Thu, 07 September 2017, 07:47:37
Just in case someone wonder how the GMK BAE fits on a board. In a programmable PCB the BAE can be easily swapped with ISO Enter.


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/h00LTrn.jpg)

I'm afraid it wont fit. On the iso enter the vertical stems are at the center of the 1.25U area, while in the bae enter they are centered at the 1.5U area.  :(
You would need new pcbs and plates.

edit: though gmk might have different stabilizer setups for this key, maybe worth asking. ANSI stabs and top key would be the most compatible.



I agree that the stems positions of the mold intended to be used should be checked.


... Personally, I would prefer this same design, because it fits over an standard ISO layout, which most contemporary PCBs fit ...


Cherry key cap
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/r94Xjxr.jpg)

Except that this does not fit on a ISO layout board. See how the vertical stems are aligned on the 1.25U part in the ISO enter and on the 1.5U part in the BAE.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ShzHp.jpg)


New PCBs and plates are needed for the keycap posted by ideus. We should ask if they have BAE with stem positions that would be compatible with either ansi or ISO layout switch & stabilizer locations.
The email I got from GMK stated that the stabilizer is the same as ISO boards.

    (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170907/a6ee9ba676e5b1ded66f9f51cadce19c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170907/47f292bb9216fa03f4dd0858e6d05ccf.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Thu, 07 September 2017, 07:48:06
...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Thu, 07 September 2017, 07:57:31
I rest my case.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: avid on Thu, 07 September 2017, 08:06:32
what kind of keyboard do you want this enter for? Id assume most custom doesnt support this layout.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: pomk on Thu, 07 September 2017, 08:10:19
Just in case someone wonder how the GMK BAE fits on a board. In a programmable PCB the BAE can be easily swapped with ISO Enter.


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/h00LTrn.jpg)

I'm afraid it wont fit. On the iso enter the vertical stems are at the center of the 1.25U area, while in the bae enter they are centered at the 1.5U area.  :(
You would need new pcbs and plates.

edit: though gmk might have different stabilizer setups for this key, maybe worth asking. ANSI stabs and top key would be the most compatible.



I agree that the stems positions of the mold intended to be used should be checked.


... Personally, I would prefer this same design, because it fits over an standard ISO layout, which most contemporary PCBs fit ...


Cherry key cap
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/r94Xjxr.jpg)

Except that this does not fit on a ISO layout board. See how the vertical stems are aligned on the 1.25U part in the ISO enter and on the 1.5U part in the BAE.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ShzHp.jpg)


New PCBs and plates are needed for the keycap posted by ideus. We should ask if they have BAE with stem positions that would be compatible with either ansi or ISO layout switch & stabilizer locations.
The email I got from GMK stated that the stabilizer is the same as ISO boards.

   
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170907/a6ee9ba676e5b1ded66f9f51cadce19c.jpg)
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170907/47f292bb9216fa03f4dd0858e6d05ccf.jpg)

I guess they have then updated their mold since the time they made the key ideus posted (I can make an overlay picture for you ideus if you still don't see the difference).
Might be wise to ask for a picture of the stem positions still though.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Thu, 07 September 2017, 12:44:54
what kind of keyboard do you want this enter for? Id assume most custom doesnt support this layout.


If it fits over ISO stems and stabs it will fit any custom that support ISO.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: sth on Thu, 07 September 2017, 15:07:28
You nasty freak. i'm so in... i've wanted to build a bigass 60% for a while.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: mogo on Thu, 07 September 2017, 15:44:37
I'm ready and willing to enter this gb.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:08:11
You nasty freak. i'm so in... i've wanted to build a bigass 60% for a while.

+1

(https://i.imgur.com/nd4ztBz.png)

I just hope that the upcoming BAE keys do actually fit ISO layouts as the communication posted witnessed; otherwise,  as pomk pointed, the vertical three stems in the available pictures of the BAE design are slightly off the positions of contemporary ISO stems, the only way to reconcile them is if the BAE design has been adjusted to fit the ISO's.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: sth on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:15:20
You nasty freak. i'm so in... i've wanted to build a bigass 60% for a while.

+1

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/nd4ztBz.png)


I just hope that the upcoming BAE keys do actually fit ISO layouts as the communication posted witnessed; otherwise,  as pomk pointed, the vertical three stems in the available pictures of the BAE design are slightly off the positions of contemporary ISO stems, the only way to reconcile them is if the BAE design has been adjusted to fit the ISO's.

hzfaq from DT made an alps BA60. so ****in baller.
(http://i.imgur.com/GvNDY16.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: romevi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:20:16
You nasty freak. i'm so in... i've wanted to build a bigass 60% for a while.

+1

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/nd4ztBz.png)


I just hope that the upcoming BAE keys do actually fit ISO layouts as the communication posted witnessed; otherwise,  as pomk pointed, the vertical three stems in the available pictures of the BAE design are slightly off the positions of contemporary ISO stems, the only way to reconcile them is if the BAE design has been adjusted to fit the ISO's.

hzfaq from DT made an alps BA60. so ****in baller.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/GvNDY16.jpg)


Dude, when I was getting into Alps that board was my dream 60% build.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: mogo on Fri, 08 September 2017, 12:48:42
There's something irresistible about building a tiny board, ostensibly for space-saving, with that unnecessarily huge continent of plastic taking up so much area.  :))
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Fri, 08 September 2017, 14:16:33
There's something irresistible about building a tiny board, ostensibly for space-saving, with that unnecessarily huge continent of plastic taking up so much area.  :))


That is precisely why this small board with a BAE is so enticing, is like a petite girl with voluptuous curves, just saying.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: mogo on Fri, 08 September 2017, 15:18:23
36-24-36  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: mogo on Fri, 15 September 2017, 16:21:26
How's the survey going jihadu? I can't stop thinking about bae.   ^-^
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 October 2017, 15:48:06
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 09 October 2017, 05:30:03
How's the survey going jihadu? I can't stop thinking about bae.   ^-^
19 respondents so far. 9009 is ruling the pack
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 09 October 2017, 06:29:59
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 October 2017, 07:36:50
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)

A compatible mold with, either, ANSI or ISO stem positions is required to make this viable. I see no-one interested in getting a new PCB or keyboard just to use a BAE.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: pomk on Mon, 09 October 2017, 08:26:38
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
It is _similar_, just shifted by some millimeter to the left.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 October 2017, 09:36:11
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
It is _similar_, just shifted by some millimeter to the left.

The shift, while small, requires a different mold, not matter how small the difference is.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: pomk on Mon, 09 October 2017, 09:48:27
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
It is _similar_, just shifted by some millimeter to the left.

The shift, while small, requires a different mold, not matter how small the difference is.
I know that, thanks. Just pointing out that the wording used by GMK is valid. "The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO"
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 October 2017, 09:53:13
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
It is _similar_, just shifted by some millimeter to the left.

The shift, while small, requires a different mold, not matter how small the difference is.
I know that, thanks. Just pointing out that the wording used by GMK is valid. "The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO"


Semantically, maybe. But, for practical use of the available BAE, it should fit exactly the stem's positions of either an ANSI or an ISO enter keys.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 09 October 2017, 11:23:58
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
It is _similar_, just shifted by some millimeter to the left.

The shift, while small, requires a different mold, not matter how small the difference is.
I know that, thanks. Just pointing out that the wording used by GMK is valid. "The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO"


Semantically, maybe. But, for practical use of the available BAE, it should fit exactly the stem's positions of either an ANSI or an ISO enter keys.
Exactly. If the BAE is slightly off stabilizer wise, It becomes impossible to use on standard boards. This limits it right away to the handful of people looking to use custom keycaps on old boards and given the MOQ, means this will be dead in the water
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: Findecanor on Mon, 09 October 2017, 11:33:14
Please update the first post so that it does not convey incorrect information about ISO compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 09 October 2017, 12:53:25
Please update the first post so that it does not convey incorrect information about ISO compatibility.
Fixed!
I've also added some info. I should know MOQ and what variety of 1 u backspace keys are available soon and I will update the main post as we go along.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 18 October 2017, 04:12:56
The new poll is up. I still have no receive no answer from GMK
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Wed, 18 October 2017, 08:06:59
The BAE is so retro that it is a-must-have key for any serious keyboard aficionado. Even if you do not use it, it is like an icon for the era mechanical keyboards reign in the input devices landscape.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: Calza on Wed, 18 October 2017, 11:18:53
any idea on timings?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: jihadu on Thu, 19 October 2017, 07:04:28
any idea on timings?
I would prefer running around jan/february 2018 and shipping later that summer. Right now I'm in uni and I don't have the time, but running this in my winter break would give me some peace of mind.
 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: jihadu on Thu, 19 October 2017, 07:52:03
The BAE is so retro that it is a-must-have key for any serious keyboard aficionado. Even if you do not use it, it is like an icon for the era mechanical keyboards reign in the input devices landscape.
This. I daily drive an ISO, but I love the BAE because its just so f*ing cool.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Thu, 19 October 2017, 07:54:25
The BAE is so retro that it is a-must-have key for any serious keyboard aficionado. Even if you do not use it, it is like an icon for the era mechanical keyboards reign in the input devices landscape.
This. I daily drive an ISO, but I love the BAE because its just so f*ing cool.


 :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 23 October 2017, 04:55:05
Still no answer from GMK  :(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: TerryMathews on Tue, 24 October 2017, 12:09:13
36-24-36  :thumb:
only if she's 5'3"
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
Post by: ideus on Tue, 24 October 2017, 14:32:18
36-24-36  :thumb:
only if she's 5'3"

+1
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 24 October 2017, 18:03:41
Just found this, very interested if for nothing else but the meme. I saw you've had issues contacting GMK, I was going to suggest emailing Michael but it looks like you have. If they don't reply to the support ticket email (zendeskxxxx@uniqey or something) find his direct email in one of his replies and send to that.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 25 October 2017, 03:17:18
Usually GMK takes a while to respond, so I won't fault them for it. I'd would wager we are not very high in their priorities for now.  Plus I've asked a whole bunch of questions that only someone in manufacturing could answer.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 October 2017, 07:19:37
It's OK, we can always wait, for something like this that would make our keyboards the real sh....
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 30 October 2017, 06:42:17
I've not yet received an answer from GMK. I'm working on getting a Reddit IC thread together, that should get us some more eyeballs .
Meanwhile I think we need a render. I'm inclined to get a render of 9009 in pink, but if you guys want to see some other keysets, leave them below
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: mogo on Tue, 31 October 2017, 13:05:08
I feel like your survey results should tell you what other sets to render ;P
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: Wetherbee on Fri, 08 December 2017, 00:24:53
Almost winter break... let's make this GB happen!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: dbme on Sun, 12 August 2018, 06:14:06
Slight bump with a question:

what kind of BAE would it be possible to install on XD87?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95500.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95500.0)

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=95500.0;attach=195169;image)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Sun, 12 August 2018, 15:56:57
By the picture, it seems that the XD has standard switch positions for ANSI and ISO. There is no BAE available that fits either. You would need a redesigned ISO compatible BAE. The one this thread is about.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: dbme on Wed, 19 September 2018, 09:11:27
Is it pricey for GMK to create a custom key cap?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Sat, 22 September 2018, 19:34:57
Dunno. But, the existing molds could be retooled to relocate the stems. Yet, only GMK could quote it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: spakecdk on Mon, 25 November 2019, 13:28:50
I need dis.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: Hapi on Wed, 26 February 2020, 17:47:24
+1
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Thu, 30 July 2020, 19:24:04
Someone has resurrected this project. I am sure it is completly dead now.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: Anthixious on Thu, 30 July 2020, 19:40:49
Where in THE hell would this fit on a keyboard?  :)) Also why does this idea exist? Am I missing a backstory? I saw this out of sheer chance and was curious.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Thu, 30 July 2020, 20:22:05
If the BAE stems are fitted over ISO, this may be used on any Euro keyboard. The key beside the ISO Enter should be sacrificed, of course.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 02 August 2020, 08:59:32
Where in THE hell would this fit on a keyboard?  :)) Also why does this idea exist? Am I missing a backstory? I saw this out of sheer chance and was curious.
It's basically an enter format popular on alps keyboards and some OEM's. Cherry made a couple of boards using it but it was not super popular and ended up ditching it for a standard backspace and ISO/ANSI enters.

The Cherry/GMK mold exists but its not compatible with modern ISO boards(the stabilizer inserts are centered on the 1.5 upper half and are on a top bottom arrangement-as opposed to a horizontal arrangement in ANSI or a 1.25 centered top bottom ISO cap ).

Running this would need new molds to make it compatible with modern keyboards. At the time, I didn't think there was enough demand to invest in new molds(which are quite pricy and would require a large MOQ to be feasible).

 I think it might be time to restart the IC. I'll need to dust up my rendering skills.

 Also does anyone know a good survey site btw? Google forms kinda sucked last time I used it.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: udller on Sun, 02 August 2020, 11:15:49
i would buy this in a heart beat if it ends up running. if new molds have to be made i think it would help it be ansi + the top key compared to iso + the left key. fixed layout boards arnt great always.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: dbme on Mon, 03 August 2020, 06:25:26
tai-hao BAE keys for SteelSeries 6gV2 (leftovers selling on aliexpress - https://aliexpress.com/item/32824755255.html) would sit perfectly on a ANSI keyboard, they use ANSI Enter stem and the top "stem" corresponds to backslash switch position.

I call it the top "stem" because it's not a stem but long tube, that on 6gV2 went to water well like hole installed instead of ANSI backslash switch.

So if the GMK BAE mold will be finally created, I suppose it should sit on a ANSI Enter and backslash switches...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Mon, 03 August 2020, 09:30:53
tai-hao BAE keys for SteelSeries 6gV2 (leftovers selling on aliexpress - https://aliexpress.com/item/32824755255.html (https://aliexpress.com/item/32824755255.html)) would sit perfectly on a ANSI keyboard, they use ANSI Enter stem and the top "stem" corresponds to backslash switch position.

I call it the top "stem" because it's not a stem but long tube, that on 6gV2 went to water well like hole installed instead of ANSI backslash switch.

So if the GMK BAE mold will be finally created, I suppose it should sit on a ANSI Enter and backslash switches...


Tai-Hao's an ANSI BAE. This thread is for an ISO BAE. Different stem positions for each one. Tai-Hao's may have broader appeal though.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: jihadu on Tue, 04 August 2020, 06:01:43
I'm more inclined to go for the ANSI BAE route, it's a wider market and for a niche group buy it I'll help lower the cost for everyone.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: jihadu on Tue, 04 August 2020, 06:04:10
I'll include it in a new IC Form, which should go up either today or tomorrow

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 05 August 2020, 05:36:05
Early Commodore boards and many pre PC standard boards used BAE layouts.  It would be very cool to have the option to fit this to any existing ISO layout board.  I am very interested if this can actually be produced.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Wed, 05 August 2020, 12:11:56
I'm more inclined to go for the ANSI BAE route, it's a wider market and for a niche group buy it I'll help lower the cost for everyone.

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I agree that ANSI BAE would get MoQ easily. I may join either one in basic colors like Beige, Black and Dolch, some classic highlight ones would be great as well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: BirgusLatro on Wed, 05 August 2020, 12:36:37
Can the "Reverse L" or "slim ass" Enter get into this set somehow?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Wed, 05 August 2020, 12:47:43
Can the "Reverse L" or "slim ass" Enter get into this set somehow?


You mean this one? I'm sure the mold is available.


(https://i.imgur.com/jAsS9Gj.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: BirgusLatro on Thu, 06 August 2020, 01:30:56
No. I mean this enter key: (https://deskthority.net/wiki/images/6/68/Cherry19_006.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
Post by: ideus on Thu, 06 August 2020, 07:53:34
No. I mean this enter key:
Show Image
(https://deskthority.net/wiki/images/6/68/Cherry19_006.jpg)



That's nice. I haven't seen one. What keyboard is that?