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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 09 October 2017, 05:30:03 »
How's the survey going jihadu? I can't stop thinking about bae.   ^-^
19 respondents so far. 9009 is ruling the pack

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 09 October 2017, 06:29:59 »
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 09 October 2017, 07:36:50 »
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)

A compatible mold with, either, ANSI or ISO stem positions is required to make this viable. I see no-one interested in getting a new PCB or keyboard just to use a BAE.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 09 October 2017, 08:26:38 »
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
It is _similar_, just shifted by some millimeter to the left.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 09 October 2017, 09:36:11 »
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
It is _similar_, just shifted by some millimeter to the left.

The shift, while small, requires a different mold, not matter how small the difference is.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 09 October 2017, 09:48:27 »
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
It is _similar_, just shifted by some millimeter to the left.

The shift, while small, requires a different mold, not matter how small the difference is.
I know that, thanks. Just pointing out that the wording used by GMK is valid. "The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO"

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 09 October 2017, 09:53:13 »
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
It is _similar_, just shifted by some millimeter to the left.

The shift, while small, requires a different mold, not matter how small the difference is.
I know that, thanks. Just pointing out that the wording used by GMK is valid. "The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO"


Semantically, maybe. But, for practical use of the available BAE, it should fit exactly the stem's positions of either an ANSI or an ISO enter keys.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 09 October 2017, 11:23:58 »
I just got an OG Cherry set with BAE and I can confirm that it does not fit the mechanics of the ISO Enter. As previously reported, the vertical stems do not match in between the BAE and the ISO Enter keys. It implies that BAE requires a different PCB layout. Personally, I am disapointed because it means that no current sixty PCB in the market fits a BAE.
I would have to speak with them to figure out if a new mold is needed. The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO, but I'm sure that the manufacturing team knows better.

Meanwhile, I will launch a poll to figure out which stem position is favorable (ANSI will likely come on top)
It is _similar_, just shifted by some millimeter to the left.

The shift, while small, requires a different mold, not matter how small the difference is.
I know that, thanks. Just pointing out that the wording used by GMK is valid. "The guy in customer service claims that the stem position is similar to ISO"


Semantically, maybe. But, for practical use of the available BAE, it should fit exactly the stem's positions of either an ANSI or an ISO enter keys.
Exactly. If the BAE is slightly off stabilizer wise, It becomes impossible to use on standard boards. This limits it right away to the handful of people looking to use custom keycaps on old boards and given the MOQ, means this will be dead in the water

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 09 October 2017, 11:33:14 »
Please update the first post so that it does not convey incorrect information about ISO compatibility.
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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 09 October 2017, 12:53:25 »
Please update the first post so that it does not convey incorrect information about ISO compatibility.
Fixed!
I've also added some info. I should know MOQ and what variety of 1 u backspace keys are available soon and I will update the main post as we go along.
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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 18 October 2017, 04:12:56 »
The new poll is up. I still have no receive no answer from GMK

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 18 October 2017, 08:06:59 »
The BAE is so retro that it is a-must-have key for any serious keyboard aficionado. Even if you do not use it, it is like an icon for the era mechanical keyboards reign in the input devices landscape.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 18 October 2017, 11:18:53 »
any idea on timings?
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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 19 October 2017, 07:04:28 »
any idea on timings?
I would prefer running around jan/february 2018 and shipping later that summer. Right now I'm in uni and I don't have the time, but running this in my winter break would give me some peace of mind.
 

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 19 October 2017, 07:52:03 »
The BAE is so retro that it is a-must-have key for any serious keyboard aficionado. Even if you do not use it, it is like an icon for the era mechanical keyboards reign in the input devices landscape.
This. I daily drive an ISO, but I love the BAE because its just so f*ing cool.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 19 October 2017, 07:54:25 »
The BAE is so retro that it is a-must-have key for any serious keyboard aficionado. Even if you do not use it, it is like an icon for the era mechanical keyboards reign in the input devices landscape.
This. I daily drive an ISO, but I love the BAE because its just so f*ing cool.


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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 23 October 2017, 04:55:05 »
Still no answer from GMK  :(

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack
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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 24 October 2017, 18:03:41 »
Just found this, very interested if for nothing else but the meme. I saw you've had issues contacting GMK, I was going to suggest emailing Michael but it looks like you have. If they don't reply to the support ticket email (zendeskxxxx@uniqey or something) find his direct email in one of his replies and send to that.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 03:17:18 »
Usually GMK takes a while to respond, so I won't fault them for it. I'd would wager we are not very high in their priorities for now.  Plus I've asked a whole bunch of questions that only someone in manufacturing could answer.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #71 on: Wed, 25 October 2017, 07:19:37 »
It's OK, we can always wait, for something like this that would make our keyboards the real sh....

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 30 October 2017, 06:42:17 »
I've not yet received an answer from GMK. I'm working on getting a Reddit IC thread together, that should get us some more eyeballs .
Meanwhile I think we need a render. I'm inclined to get a render of 9009 in pink, but if you guys want to see some other keysets, leave them below

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 31 October 2017, 13:05:08 »
I feel like your survey results should tell you what other sets to render ;P

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 08 December 2017, 00:24:53 »
Almost winter break... let's make this GB happen!

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #75 on: Sun, 12 August 2018, 06:14:06 »
Slight bump with a question:

what kind of BAE would it be possible to install on XD87?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95500.0


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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #76 on: Sun, 12 August 2018, 15:56:57 »
By the picture, it seems that the XD has standard switch positions for ANSI and ISO. There is no BAE available that fits either. You would need a redesigned ISO compatible BAE. The one this thread is about.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #77 on: Wed, 19 September 2018, 09:11:27 »
Is it pricey for GMK to create a custom key cap?

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 22 September 2018, 19:34:57 »
Dunno. But, the existing molds could be retooled to relocate the stems. Yet, only GMK could quote it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
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I need dis.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 26 February 2020, 17:47:24 »
+1

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #81 on: Thu, 30 July 2020, 19:24:04 »
Someone has resurrected this project. I am sure it is completly dead now.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 30 July 2020, 19:40:49 »
Where in THE hell would this fit on a keyboard?  :)) Also why does this idea exist? Am I missing a backstory? I saw this out of sheer chance and was curious.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 30 July 2020, 20:22:05 »
If the BAE stems are fitted over ISO, this may be used on any Euro keyboard. The key beside the ISO Enter should be sacrificed, of course.
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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #84 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 08:59:32 »
Where in THE hell would this fit on a keyboard?  :)) Also why does this idea exist? Am I missing a backstory? I saw this out of sheer chance and was curious.
It's basically an enter format popular on alps keyboards and some OEM's. Cherry made a couple of boards using it but it was not super popular and ended up ditching it for a standard backspace and ISO/ANSI enters.

The Cherry/GMK mold exists but its not compatible with modern ISO boards(the stabilizer inserts are centered on the 1.5 upper half and are on a top bottom arrangement-as opposed to a horizontal arrangement in ANSI or a 1.25 centered top bottom ISO cap ).

Running this would need new molds to make it compatible with modern keyboards. At the time, I didn't think there was enough demand to invest in new molds(which are quite pricy and would require a large MOQ to be feasible).

 I think it might be time to restart the IC. I'll need to dust up my rendering skills.

 Also does anyone know a good survey site btw? Google forms kinda sucked last time I used it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #85 on: Sun, 02 August 2020, 11:15:49 »
i would buy this in a heart beat if it ends up running. if new molds have to be made i think it would help it be ansi + the top key compared to iso + the left key. fixed layout boards arnt great always.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #86 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 06:25:26 »
tai-hao BAE keys for SteelSeries 6gV2 (leftovers selling on aliexpress - https://aliexpress.com/item/32824755255.html) would sit perfectly on a ANSI keyboard, they use ANSI Enter stem and the top "stem" corresponds to backslash switch position.

I call it the top "stem" because it's not a stem but long tube, that on 6gV2 went to water well like hole installed instead of ANSI backslash switch.

So if the GMK BAE mold will be finally created, I suppose it should sit on a ANSI Enter and backslash switches...

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #87 on: Mon, 03 August 2020, 09:30:53 »
tai-hao BAE keys for SteelSeries 6gV2 (leftovers selling on aliexpress - https://aliexpress.com/item/32824755255.html) would sit perfectly on a ANSI keyboard, they use ANSI Enter stem and the top "stem" corresponds to backslash switch position.

I call it the top "stem" because it's not a stem but long tube, that on 6gV2 went to water well like hole installed instead of ANSI backslash switch.

So if the GMK BAE mold will be finally created, I suppose it should sit on a ANSI Enter and backslash switches...


Tai-Hao's an ANSI BAE. This thread is for an ISO BAE. Different stem positions for each one. Tai-Hao's may have broader appeal though.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #88 on: Tue, 04 August 2020, 06:01:43 »
I'm more inclined to go for the ANSI BAE route, it's a wider market and for a niche group buy it I'll help lower the cost for everyone.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #89 on: Tue, 04 August 2020, 06:04:10 »
I'll include it in a new IC Form, which should go up either today or tomorrow

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 05 August 2020, 05:36:05 »
Early Commodore boards and many pre PC standard boards used BAE layouts.  It would be very cool to have the option to fit this to any existing ISO layout board.  I am very interested if this can actually be produced.
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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #91 on: Wed, 05 August 2020, 12:11:56 »
I'm more inclined to go for the ANSI BAE route, it's a wider market and for a niche group buy it I'll help lower the cost for everyone.

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I agree that ANSI BAE would get MoQ easily. I may join either one in basic colors like Beige, Black and Dolch, some classic highlight ones would be great as well.

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #92 on: Wed, 05 August 2020, 12:36:37 »
Can the "Reverse L" or "slim ass" Enter get into this set somehow?

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 05 August 2020, 12:47:43 »
Can the "Reverse L" or "slim ass" Enter get into this set somehow?


You mean this one? I'm sure the mold is available.



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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #94 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 01:30:56 »
No. I mean this enter key:

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Re: [IC] GMK Big Ass Enter Pack - New poll is up
« Reply #95 on: Thu, 06 August 2020, 07:53:34 »
No. I mean this enter key:
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That's nice. I haven't seen one. What keyboard is that?