What's our stance on white supremacy here?

[baldgye]

What a cluster **** this thread has turned into...(Not that it wasn't one at the start)  )

I guess that's what happens when you call out a bunch of Hitler fans eh? Lmao

[iri]

What a cluster **** this thread has turned into...

dear, this is the thread about white supremacy.

[greath]

Tufty: so you are saying you don't believe Hitler had great demagogic skill? To me this is an intelligence. I do not presume to know how economically intelligent Hitler was.

I guess that's what happens when you call out a bunch of Hitler fans eh? Lmao

I'm arguing that you are falling into the Fallacy of Composition/Division. For example, I can't tell if you're an idiot that is simply missing what I'm saying, or if you're a troll. This does not mean you know little about keyboards. If I had said "therefore you must know nothing about keyboards," I would be taking the same pitfall

Many people possess the ability to respect a specific characteristic of a person without respecting the person as a whole. I guess you don't, but that doesn't mean you should put words others' mouths. Especially such a vile association as calling someone a "Hitler fan." It deeply offends me that by saying "Hitler had a couple of qualities, such as demagogic skill, that I can respect," you would attempt to associate me as someone who is a fan of the overall vile man.

[baldgye]

I'm an idiot or a troll for not sharing the same opinion as you and having very little interest in discussing it?

[Photekq]

I guess that's what happens when you call out a bunch of Hitler fans eh? Lmao

Oh go away. I'm not a fan of Hitler. I respect some (that word is very important) of the things he did, and I think he was a brilliant public speaker. I am NOT a fan of him on the whole, and I do not respect him on the whole.

Besides, I did not respond because I got called out for being a 'Hitler fan', I responded because Novus was clearly suggesting that all Nazi-related avatars be removed. That's something I strongly disagree with. Not because I don't want to see the Nazis get trodden on, but because I don't think any avatars should be deleted.

[greath]

I'm an idiot or a troll for not sharing the same opinion as you and having very little interest in discussing it?

You're either:

* An idiot for the inability to realize that saying "Hitler had 1 or 2 respectable qualities" does NOT make a person a "Hitler fan" (again, Fallacy of Division).

or

* A troll for trying to rile people up by accusing them of being "Hitler fans."

I guess a third option is you have very little care for your words, so I apologize for narrowing your accusation down into only those two categories. If it is simply you have little care then realize that accusing someone of that is generally NOT taken lightly.

[baldgye]

Or another option, I'm off the opinion Hitler had no redeeming features.... Except his dreamy eyes ofc *O*

[greath]

Or another option, I'm off the opinion Hitler had no redeeming features.... Except his dreamy eyes ofc *O*

Lol. And I mean... the guy did kill Hitler...

[Air tree]

Or another option, I'm off the opinion Hitler had no redeeming features.... Except his dreamy eyes ofc *O*

Just stare into those blue oceans  on that mans face.


*I'm not a nazi supporter, just Hitler eye lover.

[demik]

Hitler did have good taste in women

White girls <3

[baldgye]

Hitler did have good taste in women

White girls <3

His cousin was pretty fly, shame she had a big mouth tho...

[tufty]

Tufty: so you are saying you don't believe Hitler had great demagogic skill? To me this is an intelligence. I do not presume to know how economically intelligent Hitler was.

Of course he was a demagogue, but I really don't think he was all that intelligent.  That's not what I was arguing anyway - Photekq claimed Hitler was some sort of economic genius, having turned Germany into a powerhouse, and that this was somehow worthy of respect. 

I'm just pointing out that, in fact, all he did was rob Peter to pay Paul, and blame it all on the Jews.  If you want an analogy of Hitler's policy from 1933 through to 1939, go and take out multiple loans you can't hope to ever pay back, guaranteed on a property which is not yours, then use the money to go and buy yourself a Ferrari.  If anyone points out that the Ferrari isn't really yours, call them a filthy islamic terrorist and have them sent to Guantanamo.

those eyes, though.  *swoon*

[neverused]

Maybe you should use the Report feature for these "offensive" posts instead of *****ing like a 12 year old girl?  Not removing certain images or threads about downloading content is not the end of the world. I personally don't engage in or condone either, but it's as simple as ignoring it. This is the Internet, there will always be something you don't like and the moderation staff can only catch so much. Remember too that they have to use their own judgment to take action and you probably won't always agree with that.

But don't be a prick. Don't have a history of being an obnoxious poster and post 17 Mb gifs, then get butt hurt when they are removed and try to tattle on other people. Man up and deal with your **** first. Don't try to attribute psuedo-racism to the moderating staff just because you don't like having action taken against your post but not others. If you do, you come off like a *****y little kid stomping his feet that has no appreciation for the true impact of his accusations.  I would hope that if you had a better understanding of the impact of actual racism or discrimination, you'd be able to recognize it when it actually did occur and not just when you want to find something to complain about.

[paicrai]

Maybe you should use the Report feature for these "offensive" posts instead of *****ing like a 12 year old girl?  Not removing certain images or threads about downloading content is not the end of the world. I personally don't engage in or condone either, but it's as simple as ignoring it. This is the Internet, there will always be something you don't like and the moderation staff can only catch so much. Remember too that they have to use their own judgment to take action and you probably won't always agree with that.

But don't be a prick. Don't have a history of being an obnoxious poster and post 17 Mb gifs, then get butt hurt when they are removed and try to tattle on other people. Man up and deal with your **** first. Don't try to attribute psuedo-racism to the moderating staff just because you don't like having action taken against your post but not others. If you do, you come off like a *****y little kid stomping his feet that has no appreciation for the true impact of his accusations.  I would hope that if you had a better understanding of the impact of actual racism or discrimination, you'd be able to recognize it when it actually did occur and not just when you want to find something to complain about.

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[neverused]

Maybe you should use the Report feature for these "offensive" posts instead of *****ing like a 12 year old girl?  Not removing certain images or threads about downloading content is not the end of the world. I personally don't engage in or condone either, but it's as simple as ignoring it. This is the Internet, there will always be something you don't like and the moderation staff can only catch so much. Remember too that they have to use their own judgment to take action and you probably won't always agree with that.

But don't be a prick. Don't have a history of being an obnoxious poster and post 17 Mb gifs, then get butt hurt when they are removed and try to tattle on other people. Man up and deal with your **** first. Don't try to attribute psuedo-racism to the moderating staff just because you don't like having action taken against your post but not others. If you do, you come off like a *****y little kid stomping his feet that has no appreciation for the true impact of his accusations.  I would hope that if you had a better understanding of the impact of actual racism or discrimination, you'd be able to recognize it when it actually did occur and not just when you want to find something to complain about.

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As always, you are so well spoken paicrai.

[paicrai]

Maybe you should use the Report feature for these "offensive" posts instead of *****ing like a 12 year old girl?  Not removing certain images or threads about downloading content is not the end of the world. I personally don't engage in or condone either, but it's as simple as ignoring it. This is the Internet, there will always be something you don't like and the moderation staff can only catch so much. Remember too that they have to use their own judgment to take action and you probably won't always agree with that.

But don't be a prick. Don't have a history of being an obnoxious poster and post 17 Mb gifs, then get butt hurt when they are removed and try to tattle on other people. Man up and deal with your **** first. Don't try to attribute psuedo-racism to the moderating staff just because you don't like having action taken against your post but not others. If you do, you come off like a *****y little kid stomping his feet that has no appreciation for the true impact of his accusations.  I would hope that if you had a better understanding of the impact of actual racism or discrimination, you'd be able to recognize it when it actually did occur and not just when you want to find something to complain about.

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As always, you are so well spoken paicrai.

Maybe you should use the Report feature for these "offensive" posts instead of *****ing like a 12 year old girl?

This is the Internet

But don't be a prick.

Man up and deal with your **** first.

*****y little kid stomping his feet

hell yeah son

[berserkfan]

I dislike it when people don’t make the effort to read my posts and understand the complexity and nuances and breadth of what I am saying.

Like most Europeans pasph has this annoying habit of saying how evil the Nazis/ Germans were -and deliberately shy away from any honest talk about evil in perspective (which is far from a Nazi or German thing).

Incidentally, Mussolini used concentration camps and death marches on Libyans 6 years before Hitler came to power, and wiped out 1/3 of Cyrenica. Mussolini started a Lebensraum movement on Libya in 1937, before Hitler invaded Poland to do the same. He evicted lots of Libyans to make room for colonists to farm. Today Italians are still electing Mussolini’s clan into power. Thanks to having switched sides at the right moment the Italians got away without having to be denazified/ de-fascisted.

Unless you are an European from one of the ‘bullied small guys’ eg Ireland/ Latvia/ Slovakia or one of the Scandinavian countries, don’t let me hear you talk about how uniquely bad Hitler was or I will pull examples of systematic genocide, large scale anti-Semitism, ethnic cleansing, etc from your own (conveniently forgotten) history.

Incidentally, Hitler played the Good Guy when Mussolini invaded Ethiopia. IIRC he was the only Western power to send aid to the Ethiopians. In contrast the ‘good guys’ who have currently written history, UK and France, were very quick to recognize Italian rule over Ethiopia and fell over each other to get sanctions against Italy (imposed by the League of Nations) lifted so that they could get back to normal business exporting to Italy.

The lesson I get from European history is not that ‘Hitler is evil’, but that ‘be on the side of the victors and you can write all the propaganda you want’. I wonder how many people realize that the English colonized, enslaved and genocided the Irish for hundreds of years before the IRA harmed a single English hair. There were a lot of vile Englishmen who, thanks to being on the winning side of history, don’t get bad press unlike Hitler.

Tufty, I love your economics discussion about Hitler’s policies. A lot of people think Hitler was a great economist when he actually happened to ‘do the right thing’ (for most unemployed Germans) by using the wealth of an ethnic minority to fund it. He could have 'done the right thing' by using the wealth of all wealthy Germans to help out the impoverished German masses who were genuinely desperate at that time, but that would have been Communist and therefore 'Evil'...

[tufty]

A lot of people think Hitler was a great economist when he actually happened to �do the right thing� (for most unemployed Germans) by using the wealth of an ethnic minority to fund it.

Not initially.

He *blamed* the jews, who, according to Nazi propaganda had caused the hyperinflation episode in 23/24, the great depression and the Weimar deflation policy in 30-32. It was only later that he had the bright idea of making the jews pay for their imagined "crimes".

Ironically enough, his economic "miracle" of 33-39 was based on exactly the same policies as the hyperinflation episode - inflate the problem away by printing banknotes you can't hope to redeem.  The rest was a bunch of massive public works programs and war preparations, along with removing women (and, of course, jews) from the workforce, to reduce apparent unemployment.  Any financial repercussions were blamed on the stinking jew bankers, and anyone who complained got the living **** kicked out of them.  If they were lucky.

He didn't "do the right thing" at all.

[pasph]

I dislike it when people don’t make the effort to read my posts and understand the complexity and nuances and breadth of what I am saying.

Like most Europeans pasph has this annoying habit of saying how evil the Nazis/ Germans were -and deliberately shy away from any honest talk about evil in perspective (which is far from a Nazi or German thing).

Incidentally, Mussolini used concentration camps and death marches on Libyans 6 years before Hitler came to power, and wiped out 1/3 of Cyrenica. Mussolini started a Lebensraum movement on Libya in 1937, before Hitler invaded Poland to do the same. He evicted lots of Libyans to make room for colonists to farm. Today Italians are still electing Mussolini’s clan into power. Thanks to having switched sides at the right moment the Italians got away without having to be denazified/ de-fascisted.

Unless you are an European from one of the ‘bullied small guys’ eg Ireland/ Latvia/ Slovakia or one of the Scandinavian countries, don’t let me hear you talk about how uniquely bad Hitler was or I will pull examples of systematic genocide, large scale anti-Semitism, ethnic cleansing, etc from your own (conveniently forgotten) history.

Incidentally, Hitler played the Good Guy when Mussolini invaded Ethiopia. IIRC he was the only Western power to send aid to the Ethiopians. In contrast the ‘good guys’ who have currently written history, UK and France, were very quick to recognize Italian rule over Ethiopia and fell over each other to get sanctions against Italy (imposed by the League of Nations) lifted so that they could get back to normal business exporting to Italy.

The lesson I get from European history is not that ‘Hitler is evil’, but that ‘be on the side of the victors and you can write all the propaganda you want’. I wonder how many people realize that the English colonized, enslaved and genocided the Irish for hundreds of years before the IRA harmed a single English hair. There were a lot of vile Englishmen who, thanks to being on the winning side of history, don’t get bad press unlike Hitler.

Tufty, I love your economics discussion about Hitler’s policies. A lot of people think Hitler was a great economist when he actually happened to ‘do the right thing’ (for most unemployed Germans) by using the wealth of an ethnic minority to fund it. He could have 'done the right thing' by using the wealth of all wealthy Germans to help out the impoverished German masses who were genuinely desperate at that time, but that would have been Communist and therefore 'Evil'...

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[iri]

what great did hitler do to his nation? let's probably start with this little war that cost Germany over 7 million lives.

[baldgye]

what great did hitler do to his nation? let's probably start with this little war that cost Germany over 7 million lives.

Only to cut unemployment! He really is an economic genius!

[Photekq]

Only to cut unemployment! He really is an economic genius!

By the time WW2 started he had transformed his country into a powerhouse

If you want to argue against what I've said, fair enough. But at least actually read it properly first. I only talked about up until the war started. I never said a word about after it started.

[paicrai]

is it true that bill and photek tried to boycott sniper elite v2 because you can shoot hitler in the nuts

[samwisekoi]

WTF?

Ok, I've been away for a while, and when I saw this thread I seriously thought "ha ha, a joke thread about ALPS switches".  Seriously.

Nope, wrong.  It is a thread about impartial moderation with a long-winded OP in possibly questionable taste.  Which HoffMyster actually answered!

Ok, then we get the typical GH back-and-forth BS, escalating into many instances where I see asterisks instead of words.  Still, ok for the OT sub-forum, I suppose.

But then, **** me if this thread doesn't ACTUALLY BECOME A THREAD ABOUT ***ING WHITE SUPREMACY AND NAZI HISTRIONICS!  Seriously?

Astoundingly, I find myself agreeing with ****ing Demik here.  It is the Internet; get a thicker skin.  However -- and this is where I am going to depart from that little train -- THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL FORUM.

So.  I think the question has been asked and answered.  Are annoying 17MB GIFs cool?  Nope.  Are illegal or sexual images in avatars cool?  Nope.  Are pictures of historical figures illegal or sexual?  Still nope.

But has this thread deteriorated to the point where it should be locked?  Oh yes.

Gentle readers, please take further commentary to /pol/ or some such if you really must continue.  Actual human beings with feelings who happen to be moderators here, please lock this or let me know that I can do so.

Now, everybody please go look at Matt3o's latest cool design or even my latest semi-technical build-log.

Thank you very much and have a nice day!

 - Ron | samwisekoi