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Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« on: Sat, 26 September 2015, 14:44:48 »

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Reincarnations of the most iconic and the best keyboards ever made - Apple Extended Keyboard 2 & the IBM Model M.
So this brings up the question. Which one is the better one?


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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 26 September 2015, 18:07:14 »
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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 26 September 2015, 19:22:29 »
If in doubt, go Model F.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 26 September 2015, 19:24:24 »
As has been said in plenty of threads like this and still holds true, it's really all up to preference. BS is a heavy, clicky switch while the tactile pro uses medium weight, tactile switches.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 26 September 2015, 19:42:08 »
I have both originals - the Extended II and the Model M and in my mind they are equally great in different ways.

As for new counterparts both are worse compared to the originals. SKCM > Matias and IBM/Lexmark made M > Unicomp

So go original and you are good.
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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 26 September 2015, 19:44:44 »
I have both originals - the Extended II and the Model M and in my mind they are equally great in different ways.

As for new counterparts both are worse compared to the originals. SKCM > Matias and IBM/Lexmark made M > Unicomp

So go original and you are good.

Especially true with the Model Ms; Unicomp quality is nowhere near on the level of vintage IBM
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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 26 September 2015, 21:40:50 »
I have both originals - the Extended II and the Model M and in my mind they are equally great in different ways.

As for new counterparts both are worse compared to the originals. SKCM > Matias and IBM/Lexmark made M > Unicomp

So go original and you are good.

But new Matias > dirty old SKCM. Not to mention compatibility out-of-the-box, and the promise of full replacement keysets soon(tm) from Matias.

For someone new to mechanical keyboards, I think the Matias is a good choice.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 27 September 2015, 00:30:34 »
Not exactly easy or fair to compare Alps with buckling spring...

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 28 September 2015, 14:11:44 »
Watching a couple of reviews online, the Unicomp gets good reviews, but it is true that the quality isn't up to par compared with the original Model M.

The Matias gets praised for making their keyboard look more like modern Mac ones (at least the one that came with the PowerMac G5s). It also gets great reviews online, so I suppose that they are pretty much equal in that sense.

Not exactly easy or fair to compare Alps with buckling spring...
Why would you say that?


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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 28 September 2015, 14:27:29 »

Watching a couple of reviews online, the Unicomp gets good reviews, but it is true that the quality isn't up to par compared with the original Model M.


I must protest this continual quibbling over semantics.

Unicomp builds a real true Model M keyboard that is functionally equivalent in every respect to the "classic" product from years ago, and even incorporates some new and additional valuable features in various models.

Yes, if you get out your magnifying glass you can find examples of roughness around the edges, but that is hardly more significant than comparing cars by judging them on their paint jobs.


Not exactly easy or fair to compare Alps with buckling spring.


As you will know after using each for a matter of seconds.





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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 28 September 2015, 23:01:45 »
Watching a couple of reviews online, the Unicomp gets good reviews, but it is true that the quality isn't up to par compared with the original Model M.

The Matias gets praised for making their keyboard look more like modern Mac ones (at least the one that came with the PowerMac G5s). It also gets great reviews online, so I suppose that they are pretty much equal in that sense.

Not exactly easy or fair to compare Alps with buckling spring...

Why would you say that?
If you haven't already done so, you'd really need to type on both to make a judgment about which you prefer -- they feel very different to type on.  I have a Model M (a nicely-refurbished IBM original) and it's a good board, but it's noisy and requires more keyboard force than I like.  There are folks who think buckling springs are the epitome of keyboard switches, but, personally, I prefer Alps boards to the M.  But I also very much like typing on Cherry reds, which many people hate.  You want the board that feels best to you.
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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 28 September 2015, 23:41:51 »
I have both (the Unicomp being an older Customizer with the old 104 layout).  Right now I'm using the Matias, because I prefer their switches' sound and feel.

The Matias product "tries" to be a premium product.  The finish quality is generally excellent and it has modern conveniences (Fn-key media controls, USB ports).  It will attract fingerprints.

The Unicomp is 1000% about the solid construction-- the appearance is mediocre at best, but it has no need to apologize for it because the underlying mechanics are bulletproof.

I think the Matias is NKRO if that matters to you, but it has no Menu key (which frustrates me to no end)
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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 29 September 2015, 00:35:41 »
I've been thinking about this a long time.  I presume you are talking about using a Model M on a Mac.
Well, you can get the Unicomp Classic 104 (in Pearl/Pebble) and get a long spacebar for it for a few bucks.  Make it into a 103 first.  Add the Apple Buckling Spring keyset in pebble.  (So we are at $79 + 19 + $3)
Another option is getting the Pearl LED's on top overlay for $1.50

So far $102.50.  Hmmm.

Going from there....

The nice thing about this option is you can use it for your Mac or PC if you would like to swap over to it.

The price is about the same.  ($102.50 vs $94.00)

I think for the $8.50 investment into a buckling spring keyboard that can easily be used for either a PC or Mac in the future, it's a no-brainer.

Besides, the 103 layout is great looking!  Plus having USB as well as Windows and Menu keys!  It's a great deal!




Get them both!  Do your comparison!  I may suggest you get the Unicomp first, but that's me.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 29 September 2015, 02:34:01 »
I'm the kind of person that prefers to choose once and choose well. Sadly there isn't a store here that sells them, so that means shipping costs and long waiting periods.
Unfortunately most of my decisions on special hardware would normally rely on the amount of information I get on reviews and user feedback.

From what I'm gathering so far, the Unicomp keyboards are not great to look at but have rock solid build underneath. Matias manages to combine really good feel and great experiences too. But we're looking at an expense of 189 USD inclusive of shipping. The Unicomp is cheaper. Comes to 160 USD inclusive of Fedex.

Considering the price, I'm looking at either as an investment really. So I'm probably looking for something that would last me for a very long time.


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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 29 September 2015, 05:51:56 »
I would go for an 'original' Model M from back in the day made by ibm.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 29 September 2015, 07:10:38 »
I'm the kind of person that prefers to choose once and choose well.

This is not easy to do without context.

What is the best vehicle to purchase?

Which is better, a motorcycle, a sports car, a large car, a truck, or a van?

Your most fun and enjoyable choices will be the least effective if you regularly carry bulky cargo.

The Model M will certainly be the most durable.
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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 29 September 2015, 13:04:16 »
Of the two options, Unicomp.

But I would honestly look at other options (vintage).

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 01 October 2015, 07:57:40 »
Yes, if you get out your magnifying glass you can find examples of roughness around the edges, but that is hardly more significant than comparing cars by judging them on their paint jobs.
But the paint job is part of the car that influences the decision, no?

Unicomp isn't the original.  Even on a replacement space bar key I could tell the quality difference.  When the originals are still out there, I'd go original if you can live with a 101 layout.

Not exactly easy or fair to compare Alps with buckling spring.
Yep, these are two totally different animals.  Both are yummy fruits, but do you prefer an orange or apple (no pun intended)?

Your original question 'Which one is the better one?' is more easily answered when you change it to 'Which one is the better one for me?'  And this, only you can answer.  We can only give our personal opinions on what our hands like and some facts about the two products.  As far as which is better--only your hands will let you know.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #18 on: Thu, 01 October 2015, 09:47:25 »
But the paint job is part of the car that influences the decision, no?
Unicomp isn't the original.  Even on a replacement space bar key I could tell the quality difference.  When the originals are still out there, I'd go original if you can live with a 101 layout.

Do you have a Unicomp keyboard?  Are you prejudging them because of what people have said about the subtle differences?  Unicomp has the original Model M equipment and is still producing them.  I really am thankful for that.
At least you can still get parts for your original Model M if you need them.  I'm glad they are still around.

And by the way, the Unicomp I have feels just like my other Model M keyboards.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 01 October 2015, 12:26:57 »
Do you have a Unicomp keyboard?  Are you prejudging them because of what people have said about the subtle differences?  Unicomp has the original Model M equipment and is still producing them.  I really am thankful for that.

At least you can still get parts for your original Model M if you need them.  I'm glad they are still around.

And by the way, the Unicomp I have feels just like my other Model M keyboards.

I don't and I doubt that I could tell a difference in feel between them and the originals, but there is a build quality difference as evidenced in the quality of plastic, thickness of plastic, and support design between my broken M spacebar and the Unicomp replacement.  Can I tell the difference now?  Hell no.  But when we care about if keycaps are double-shot and other specific details, you can't leave out the subtle changes unicomp has made in quality and still call them the same animal.

I am ULTRA grateful Unicomp is around, not just for parts for the originals, but for the updates that the originals didn't have like windows keys, etc.  It keeps the buckling spring alive for a new generation that can't live without these keys.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 01 October 2015, 13:10:26 »
I am ULTRA grateful Unicomp is around, not just for parts for the originals, but for the updates that the originals didn't have like windows keys,

This is why it is so distressing to me to see the relentless disparaging of Unicomp on this forum.

Newcomers read the ugly viscious nitpicking about how "they don't make 'em like they used to" and become thoroughly confused.

Unicomp makes the best sub-$100 keyboard anywhere and should be well praised for it.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 01 October 2015, 21:45:08 »
I am ULTRA grateful Unicomp is around, not just for parts for the originals, but for the updates that the originals didn't have like windows keys,

This is why it is so distressing to me to see the relentless disparaging of Unicomp on this forum.

Newcomers read the ugly viscious nitpicking about how "they don't make 'em like they used to" and become thoroughly confused.

Unicomp makes the best sub-$100 keyboard anywhere and should be well praised for it.

Well said.  I think there is a lot of misinformation being given out.  This is preventing people from experiencing what a buckling spring keyboard is all about.  Some people will not buy an 20+ year old keyboard for fear of having problems from the start.
Unicomp keyboards have a full 1 year warranty, and terrific support to boot!  If you never had a buckling spring keyboard, maybe you should.  It's well worth it.  Find out what you're missing.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #22 on: Thu, 01 October 2015, 23:18:22 »
I've never owned a new Unicomp, only a pair of older PC-122's. I've ANSI-modded one and I'm in the process of hacking the other down to a franken-kishsaver. They are nice boards, although I don't care for the feel of these particular keycaps. But the #1391472 replica keycaps I purchased for my 1987 SSK are very good.

Buckling spring boards don't have as many aftermarket options as MX boards, but they are very hackable/moddable, and that's really nice.

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Re: Matias Tactile Pro vs Unicomp Spacesaver M
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 02 October 2015, 08:49:32 »
This is why it is so distressing to me to see the relentless disparaging of Unicomp on this forum.

Newcomers read the ugly viscious nitpicking about how "they don't make 'em like they used to" and become thoroughly confused.

Unicomp makes the best sub-$100 keyboard anywhere and should be well praised for it.
Apologies if my post regarding Unicomp was offensive.  I was just expression my opinion and experience.

Newcomers will be thoroughly confused on geekhack no matter what.  The level of details on boards, cases, keycaps, and switches alone can scare someone off.  I've been into computer hardware hardcore for almost 30 years and it's still intimidating.  There's so many people here with infinitely more knowledge on keyboards that unless you're willing to search and read hundreds of threads to get 'up to speed' you're out of the loop.  I'm just now starting to grasp what some of the boards people on here rave about are, even after being registered for years.

Many newcomers come here because of searching on Unicomp or IBM keyboards.  (It's how I found gh.)  And that being said, from an seo standpoint, having threads endlessly discussing the two companies just helps the products and people to finding gh (although I agree that vicious arguements are not going to paint the products or gh in a positivelight). 

People searching about these keyboards want to read about something about them.  It's why reviews have become important in any product sales cycle.  And people that are searching for these keyboards aren't dummies or will read one thing and make a hasty decision--they're just like us; they will do their homework, go into the details and see if it's exactly what they want--buckling spring, new or old, or maybe even something completely different in the end.  The important thing that we can do is offer our honest opinions and that's it.

I've been tempted to get a Unicomp just to have one and make my buckling spring journey complete, but since I have read others' opinions from people that own them that the feel is the same, there's no point.  However, I did observe a quality difference on a space bar.  That is a fact.  Does that mean the whole keyboard has a lesser quality?  I don't know since I don't own one, but my opinion is that the manufacturing quality control would be the same, so I'd see a difference.  Would others?  I don't know.  Would it matter?  Probably not except after maybe 50 years or so, but by then the original IBMs will also have any time-related issues.  Bottom line, I've clarified what I observed as fact and what is my opinion.  What someone wants to do with that information is up to them.

After looking at some of the prices of competing keyboards, not only is the Unicomp priced less--it's truly a bargain.  I forgot about the warranty aspect, and that's an important point that you won't get from owning one of the originals from decades ago.  I think if I had to recommend a newbie path to try buckling spring, it would be to get a Unicomp and try it.  If you like it and then want an original IBM, you can seek one out.  Finding a good IBM has its own issues as well, especially after they have become popular.  That in itself is intimidating as there is that whole 'used-car salesman' type of seller out there that most people don't want to deal with.