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Offline Fictiouz

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Linear Switch Help!
« on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:10:33 »
So I'm in the market for some linear switches after discovering I like Gateron Blacks, but I find them just a little bit to stiff. So my question is, is the 50g rating actuation or bottom out.

I am currently stuck between 65g Linear Zeals, 67g Linears Zeals, or Gateron Blacks. What do you guys recommend?

Help me linear switch experts, you're my only hope.

I also previously tried Cherry Blacks and find them to mushy.
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:48:07 »
62g lubed mx reds
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:48:48 »
Quote from: TacticalStache on Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:48:07
62g lubed mx reds

I should've said I don't like Cherry Linears :p
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:53:21 »
Quote from: Fictiouz on Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:48:48
Quote from: TacticalStache on Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:48:07
62g lubed mx reds

I should've said I don't like Cherry Linears :p

Favorite is lubed vintage blacks with 65g. Ma Thang

Also tried putting black stems in gateRon housings. Worked like a charm
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:54:41 »
The 50g rating is actuation. Gateron switches are all rated for actuation like their Cherry counterparts.
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:55:56 »
Have many of you had experience with Linear Zealio Switches?
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:56:44 »
Quote from: Fictiouz on Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:55:56
Have many of you had experience with Linear Zealio Switches?

Unfortunately, no. I'd like to try them, though.
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 14:03:43 »
Quote from: Fictiouz on Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:55:56
Have many of you had experience with Linear Zealio Switches?

I know nick has used them.
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 14:27:39 »
Quote from: Moistgun on Thu, 06 October 2016, 14:03:43
Quote from: Fictiouz on Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:55:56
Have many of you had experience with Linear Zealio Switches?

I know nick has used them.

I'll touch base with him after work then. I got an SS plate for X60 and want to put linears on it and I kinda want to wait for zeal60 r2 to build that plate so I got time.
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 14:47:44 »
Linear Zeal switches are identical to Gateron linears AFAIK, since you know... they make them.
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 15:58:19 »
Alps SKCL green. try it and never use cherries again
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 06 October 2016, 17:39:05 »
Quote from: mike52787 on Thu, 06 October 2016, 15:58:19
Alps SKCL green. try it and never use cherries again
yup, this man is correct. Especially considering OP doesn't like Cherry he really shouldn't settle for any MX clones :P .
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Offline PollandAkuma

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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 07 October 2016, 18:46:46 »
you could get Matias linears and order some heavier springs off of Sprit  :D
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 08 October 2016, 10:11:51 »
Quote from: eksuen on Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:54:41
The 50g rating is actuation. Gateron switches are all rated for actuation like their Cherry counterparts.

To this point, does anyone have a spreadsheet or even raw data that has relative actuation force, bottom out force, etc. for gateron, cherry, and zealio switches?  It seems like it's always one or the other force, but nothing that matches up (and I don't know enough about keyboards to assume there's some conversion).
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 08 October 2016, 10:23:43 »
Quote from: mer6 on Sat, 08 October 2016, 10:11:51
Quote from: eksuen on Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:54:41
The 50g rating is actuation. Gateron switches are all rated for actuation like their Cherry counterparts.

To this point, does anyone have a spreadsheet or even raw data that has relative actuation force, bottom out force, etc. for gateron, cherry, and zealio switches?  It seems like it's always one or the other force, but nothing that matches up (and I don't know enough about keyboards to assume there's some conversion).
I want to say wasd has graphs of the most common cherry switches, you can then use that as a comparison to the switches you have the weight options, like zealios
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 08 October 2016, 11:52:51 »
Quote from: Moistgun on Sat, 08 October 2016, 10:23:43
Quote from: mer6 on Sat, 08 October 2016, 10:11:51
Quote from: eksuen on Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:54:41
The 50g rating is actuation. Gateron switches are all rated for actuation like their Cherry counterparts.

To this point, does anyone have a spreadsheet or even raw data that has relative actuation force, bottom out force, etc. for gateron, cherry, and zealio switches?  It seems like it's always one or the other force, but nothing that matches up (and I don't know enough about keyboards to assume there's some conversion).
I want to say wasd has graphs of the most common cherry switches, you can then use that as a comparison to the switches you have the weight options, like zealios

Link: http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/mechanical-keyboard-guide#best
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 13 October 2016, 17:20:58 »
We've also got those linear 50g and 70g Chinese hall effect switches out and about now.
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 14 October 2016, 04:26:13 »
SKCL Green Alps would be a great choice, and if you can't find those linear modded SKCM Black or SKCM White feel very similar. Just as smooth as SKCL Green at least (if in good condition)
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 15 October 2016, 16:01:57 »
I really want to find some SKCL Greens :p but I guess looking for Blacks are easier and cheaper.

Are Cherry MX linears universally hated? What if they are lubed? I want to try gaterons but I hated the stems are wobbly.

I'm unsure whether I should go forheavier or lighter ones, seeing as they are linears.
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 15 October 2016, 16:08:48 »
Quote from: PollandAkuma on Sat, 15 October 2016, 16:01:57
Are Cherry MX linears universally hated?
Well, no. To each their own, after all. Moreover, not everyone can just get a linear Alps board with ease, which in fairness is a rather massive disadvantage. Not everone enjoys digging through skips :p .
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 15 October 2016, 18:23:57 »
Gateron Blacks are fine, but Vintage MX Black feel crisper to me. They're easy enough to come by, but I don't know much about what you're looking to do or how much modding you're interested in.

I also have heard stock Gateron springs are quite inconsistently weighted, likely looser manufacturing tolerances.

SKCL are great, just need to find a layout you're okay with and hope they're not dirty. ALPs are easy to get dust in and ruin the SKCL smoothness. Also find some nice ALPs caps, which is nontrivial.
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #21 on: Sat, 15 October 2016, 21:12:33 »
Quote from: Niomosy on Thu, 13 October 2016, 17:20:58
We've also got those linear 50g and 70g Chinese hall effect switches out and about now.

I came to post the same.  XMIT's Hall Effect 80% group buy is starting soon.
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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 16 October 2016, 06:57:02 »
Feelios. All the way. Every day.

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Re: Linear Switch Help!
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 18 October 2016, 18:59:14 »
Quote from: mushman on Sat, 15 October 2016, 21:12:33
Quote from: Niomosy on Thu, 13 October 2016, 17:20:58
We've also got those linear 50g and 70g Chinese hall effect switches out and about now.

I came to post the same.  XMIT's Hall Effect 80% group buy is starting soon.

Yup, looking forward to that one.  Just waiting to see prices.
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