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Offline VanHagar

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Cases that fit aftermarket plates (phantom)
« on: Wed, 14 December 2016, 11:10:16 »
Hi,

Since it's X'mas time, I would like to pursue a project that I've always wanted to do ever since I got into keyboards, but I really need some of your help, please.

Basically, I want:  the ability to swap out the springs and stems of cherry mx switches on the fly.  I realize the Phantom plate allows you to do this because of the cutouts in the plate where the switches sit, which provides a little wiggle room to open the switches and swap out the internals without having to de-solder anything. My dream is to have my own TKL with this feature along with cherry stabilizers.  My problem is that I don't know which brands of cases will go with a phantom plate. I can buy a used QFR case on eBay without any problem, but I don't know if the QFR pcb will work with the phantom plate. I don't mind re-using the pcb, or I can upgrade it if that would be a big improvement or provide more features.  I currently own: a KUL ES-87, a Leopold FC750R, and a Ducky DK2087. It's no problem if I need to buy a used QFR online.

My only requirement is I don't want any non-standard sized keys. I want to be able to be able to purchase standard mx keycap sets for the board to use in the future.  I already have all of the soldering stuff to do the work, so that's not a problem. I don't mind buying a used keyboard to hack apart. I don't care about backlighting at all, so it's not going to be a problem. I don't even use capslock or scroll lock b/c I turn them off with AutoHotkey, so the lights on those keys don't even turn on ever.


So, my questions are: 

(1) What branded cases will work with the Phantom plate (or a similar one), so that I can de-solder all of the switches from the old plate, and then re-solder using the new (Phantom) plate?

(2) Which PCB's should I consider if I can't reuse the branded one?

(3) I love clipped cherry stabilizers & am not a fan of co-stars at all. Does anyone know if I can install (clipped) cherry stabilizers onto the Phantom plate?

(4) I would love to one day upgrade to a Tex aluminum case. Can the branded pcb & Phantom plate fit into one of those?


Thank you so much for any insights and advice. I am very grateful for your help.

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Offline unoab

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Re: Cases that fit aftermarket plates (phantom)
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 14 December 2016, 13:12:26 »
Just to start out, the quickfire PCB will not work with a phantom plate unless you take a dremel to the plate.  The quickfire and filco controllers sit on top of the PCB and will interfere with the plate unless you make a cutout for it.  Also, as I have a phantom plate and PCB in a quickfire case, you need to make a few modifications to the case as well.

now as to the other questions:
1) I know filco and coolermaster quickfire TKL cases work, those are the standard ones.  It appears a keycool TKL case would work as well, and I remember reading somewhere that ducky TKL cases should as well, but I don't have one to check and make sure.  Also all these products have a metal plate that has a 90° bent lip at the top and bottom, so to get a flat metal plate to be supported on all sides you need to put in thin rectangular spacers at the top and bottom on the case, if not it is just supported by the standoffs in the case and the sides of the case, which is sufficient, but does lead to a little bit of flex in the upper corners and top function row (I dont notice it much, but on tight fitting stems it can be a bit irritating when pushing the caps on).

2) the phantom PCB of course, though otherwise I don't know of many aftermarket PCB's with the correct spacing between the main block and the function row, most korean PCBs have a smaller gap.

3) yes, the phantom plate supports plate mount cherry stabilizers

4) yes, with one covet, like on the other cases, you need spacers to make sure the board sits correctly in the case if you are using a plate that does not have the bent lip.  And if you are using a phantom PCB, since it uses a teensy mounted on the bottom as a controller, a milled out section in the bottom of the case to prevent interference with the teensy would be needed.  Any other PCB should work, as long as it has the same clearances a filco PCB would have in comparison (so no guarantees there..).

If I were you I would check out your ducky board and see where the controller is on it and mod that one, though since you are getting rid of the plate as well the leopold might work as a donor PCB and case as well if the controller is on the bottom (same for the kul as well).  Though for dimensions I have a phantom plate here, and they measure ~347x127mm, which matches a quickfire plate I have sitting here as well, so if you break down one of those boards you have and compare against those measurements it can give you a partial idea of what might and what might not work.

And when searching for what the keycool PCB might look like I ran across this on aliexpress:
87 key layout kit
so with the kit you could theoretically just buy a phantom plate and then hit the ground running.  But I would use what you had at hand first as the keycool possibly has different plate dimensions, though it is not likely.

Offline Findecanor

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Re: Cases that fit aftermarket plates (phantom)
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 14 December 2016, 18:06:10 »
There have been sales of a universal plate that did fit all your requirements. I don't know if any enthusiast store has it, or maybe someone has a spare to sell.

The original Phantom plate does not fit inside the Quickfire Rapid's case, but I think the ones available out there are modified versions. The one on MechanicalKeyboards.com for instance, looks as if it has all the standoff holes for the QFR, lacking only the cutout for the controller.

For expanding rectangular holes inside a aluminium plate, I would use a small hacksaw and a flat file. Those are much cheaper than a Dremel, and IMHO easier to use for this thing. You install the hacksaw blade while inside the hole you want to cut out, and sometimes you do it with the blade backwards. Do the rough cuts with the hacksaw and then level the cuts with the file.
I have modified different holes in two original Phantom plates this way.
« Last Edit: Wed, 14 December 2016, 18:12:29 by Findecanor »
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