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Offline nigritude

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Is it safe to use USB 3.0 with a realforce?
« on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 17:55:44 »
I feel like it should, but a bit scared to try. Does anyone know the rationale or theory if it is safe or not?
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« Reply #1 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 17:56:38 »
How would that even be possible? It's a different type of port.
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Offline nigritude

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« Reply #2 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 18:04:28 »
USB 3.0 comared to USB 2.0? lolwut? really? my ipod usb works on my usb 3.0 port? so does my usb 2.0 harddrive? .... or am i missing something here lol
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« Reply #3 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 18:06:12 »
Oh...I was under the impression you couldn't do that. I don't see why you couldn't then, but obviously you won't get the 3.0 speeds. I have yet to use 3.0.
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Offline nigritude

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« Reply #4 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 18:10:42 »
I just wasn't sure if the voltage in USB 3.0 is different from USB 2.0 , and whether that might affect the keyboard somehow...
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Offline BucklingSpring

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« Reply #5 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 18:11:08 »
Quote from: nigritude;303092
I feel like it should, but a bit scared to try. Does anyone know the rationale or theory if it is safe or not?


Same voltage as 2.0 and compatible pinout... No worry.
If any, the 3.0 is safer due to better voltage regulation.

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Offline nigritude

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« Reply #6 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 18:11:30 »
oh nice, thanks BucklingSpring !
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Offline SmokinWaffle

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« Reply #7 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 18:12:17 »
A USB 2.0 Device in a USB 3.0 port will will run fine, but only at USB 2.0 speeds, making it pointless, really.

Unless you have no other USB ports free, of course.

There is no reason not to, but on the flipside, apart from lack of ports, there is no real reason to do it, either.

The early 3.0 Memory Sticks/Externals have been trickling out over the past few months, but I still think it's a long time before it becomes the new standard.
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« Reply #8 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 18:12:58 »
If your Realforce blows up, don't PM me for help ;)
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Offline nigritude

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« Reply #9 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 18:13:39 »
haha, i just need to do it temporarily, so hopefully it will be ok.
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Offline gilgam

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« Reply #10 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 18:15:27 »
You should try,
then we will know if we can ...


Searching a little bit i didn't found any problem with keyboards and USB 3
Maybe with the bios command
Neither burning keyboard nor Bricked one
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Offline SmokinWaffle

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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 18:21:20 »
Quote from: ripster;303117
Even though it doesn't feel any different I may post at OCN that it reduces latency on April Fool's Day.

In all fairness, most of them probably already think that.

Edit: ooh, 600T. Interesting choice.
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 19:12:06 »
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A USB 2.0 Device in a USB 3.0 port will will run fine, but only at USB 2.0 speeds, making it pointless, really.


****, there I was looking forward to interfacing my keyboard at 5Gbps.
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Offline BucklingSpring

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 19:34:04 »
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****, there I was looking forward to interfacing my keyboard at 5Gbps.


You must use a MEKA G1 Mechanical Professional Gaming Keyboard Ultrapolling at 1000Hz to really feel the difference.

LMAO
Professional Gaming
Ultrapolling
1000Hz

Those marketting experts are killing me.
Of course 1000hz is 000 time faster than 1khz.
NB: Some tard at Razer came up with "Ultrapolling" whatever that means.
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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 19:38:46 »
Quote from: BucklingSpring;303154

NB: Some tard at Razer came up with "Ultrapolling" whatever that means.


Someone needs to make a thread collecting all the amazing marketing Razer is spewing out.
For instance, I bought a Krait because I needed a small, cheap gaming mouse for my lappy and laughed surprisingly hard when I read the info on the box.
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Offline SmokinWaffle

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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 19:42:17 »
I have a Deathadder mouse, which is average. Not very ergonomic either, but it does it's job.

I did have a BlackWidow, but the 1000MHz ultrapolling was so fast it stopped working within a month, and I'm selling the replacement to fund a Tenkeyless Filco.

RAZER, Y U NO QC?
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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 19:46:59 »
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I have a Deathadder mouse, which is average. Not very ergonomic either, but it does it's job.

I did have a BlackWidow, but the 1000MHz ultrapolling was so fast it stopped working within a month, and I'm selling the replacement to fund a Tenkeyless Filco.

RAZER, Y U NO QC?


Razer isn't really bad, I keep a few of their mice around for variation, but the marketing is ridiculous. Only problem I have with Razer is price; I think of their products as toys you buy to have fun with every now and then, not peripherals you can rely on and keep around for a few years. Just my opinion though, I'm sure lots of people love Razer's stuff.
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Offline nigritude

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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 19:48:08 »
razer's design always seemed a bit tacky to me
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Offline SmokinWaffle

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« Reply #18 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 19:52:49 »
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Razer isn't really bad, I keep a few of their mice around for variation, but the marketing is ridiculous. Only problem I have with Razer is price; I think of their products as toys you buy to have fun with every now and then, not peripherals you can rely on and keep around for a few years. Just my opinion though, I'm sure lots of people love Razer's stuff.

Yeah, I have no real problem with their products, my DA is quite decent, and my BlackWidow is hardly representative of all BlackWidows, but I don't think I'll buy anything from them in the future.

Not because I hate them, on the contrary, just because there is almost always better available for the same sort of money.

I mean, take the price of the Razer Mamba. That much for what is, basically, a wireless Deathadder? Seems silly.
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« Reply #19 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 19:57:35 »
Quote from: SmokinWaffle;303165

I mean, take the price of the Razer Mamba. That much for what is, basically, a wireless Deathadder? Seems silly.


It is. I bought one without doing much research on it because I figured a good wireless gaming mouse would be great for my laptop. Then I saw the dock/wireless station when I got it. Wireless feature is basically completely useless. Was hoping for a small USB reciever, not sure if it's possible to make a hack or something like that.
It looks pretty decent though and feels solid enough, could've been worse. If you're going to spend too much money on a mouse from a gaming company I'd rather spend my money on Razer than something like Roccat and the likes.
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Offline BucklingSpring

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« Reply #20 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 20:10:04 »
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RAZER, Y U NO QC?


NO QC, is the new way to improve productivity.
A robot is like a computer. It's always right.
QC is only good for man made stuff.
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« Reply #21 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 20:57:49 »
Quote from: SmokinWaffle;303165
Yeah, I have no real problem with their products, my DA is quite decent, and my BlackWidow is hardly representative of all BlackWidows, but I don't think I'll buy anything from them in the future.

Not because I hate them, on the contrary, just because there is almost always better available for the same sort of money.

I mean, take the price of the Razer Mamba. That much for what is, basically, a wireless Deathadder? Seems silly.


QC?

Some of my problems faced with Razer QC...

P/S: If only you read CapsLock's replied...

http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=301264&postcount=15
http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=301623&postcount=25
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Offline Kacee

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« Reply #22 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 23:04:17 »
a rule of thumb in modern computer is if you can plug something in, it's gonna work, or at least it doesn't get exploded...
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Offline BucklingSpring

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« Reply #23 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 23:09:03 »
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« Reply #24 on: Tue, 01 March 2011, 23:15:12 »
Quote from: ripster;303234
Except I once jammed a USB connector into a RJ-45 one day (hey, it's dark under my desk)


Did this once too... uh uh. :third:
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Offline db_Iodine

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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 02 March 2011, 02:22:26 »
Quote from: ripster;303234
Except I once jammed a USB connector into a RJ-45 one day (hey, it's dark under my desk).

That didn't end well.


That's why I have a small LED light under my desk to show me where to plug my connectors. I usually don't have any RJ45's free on my computer anyway.
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Offline What is X?

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« Reply #26 on: Wed, 02 March 2011, 02:59:24 »
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A USB 2.0 Device in a USB 3.0 port will will run fine, but only at USB 2.0 speeds, making it pointless, really.

Unless you have no other USB ports free, of course.

There is no reason not to, but on the flipside, apart from lack of ports, there is no real reason to do it, either.

The early 3.0 Memory Sticks/Externals have been trickling out over the past few months, but I still think it's a long time before it becomes the new standard.

Not really, IIRC USB 3.0 provides more (and more stable) power than USB 2.0

But seriously, OCN stereotyping still? Yeah, some of OCN would believe USB 3.0 reduces latency (and it's plausible enough), and some of Geekhack would think USB 3.0 is a physically different port to USB 2.0 :rolleyes:
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« Reply #27 on: Wed, 02 March 2011, 03:26:58 »
Quote from: vun;303157
Someone needs to make a thread collecting all the amazing marketing Razer is spewing out.
For instance, I bought a Krait because I needed a small, cheap gaming mouse for my lappy and laughed surprisingly hard when I read the info on the box.


it reminds me

"And quite frankly, the result is just phenomenal." :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOVuBLUyg0
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« Reply #28 on: Wed, 02 March 2011, 03:36:33 »
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it reminds me

"And quite frankly, the result is just phenomenal." :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOVuBLUyg0


Oh man... I don't even.. Seriously? I'd say something smart/witty/ridiculous about them, but it seems they get that point across without my help.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to rest my brain for a bit after that.
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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 02 March 2011, 04:22:20 »
Because everyone knows the best CPU for gaming is clearly the Atom!
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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 02 March 2011, 04:24:39 »
Quote from: tacite;303297
it reminds me

"And quite frankly, the result is just phenomenal." :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOVuBLUyg0


Razer has some of the best marketing bull I've ever seen. And it seems to be working.
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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 02 March 2011, 05:04:16 »
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Razer has some of the best marketing bull I've ever seen. And it seems to be working.

yeah this. Marketing manager needs a raise...
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