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Offline What's that? It's NEO!

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« on: Wed, 11 May 2011, 10:34:29 »
Hi,

I'm currently using a 'normal' mouse (with backwards and forwards keys which I've really come to appreciate by now) and was getting thoughts about trying out something new to accompany my soon to be filco tenkeyless. As there aren't that many trackball alternatives around here in Europe I was hoping for some constructive advice.

I've had a look at the trackball wiki already. What's the difference between these thumb balls and the center balls? Better ergonomics? Better usability?

Any pros and cons - 1st hand experiences? :ear:

Offline craZivn

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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 12 May 2011, 10:29:42 »
In my opinion, a finger-ball is a better choice than a thumb-ball, because your fingers have greater dexterity and range of movement than your thumb. Plus you can switch fingers on a finger-ball (I use my index, middle and ring finger to manipulate mine) to avoid fatigue when you shift hand position. You wouldn't sit with your legs crossed the same way for hours on end, why would you want to maintain the same hand position for that long?
 IMO, the key to long-term comfort is to change positions periodically. Having a ball or mouse that doesn't mold right to your hand will allow you to do this without compromising comfort. Most thumb-balls force you to maintain a particular position in order to use them.

I'm sure a lot of people will disagree with me on this, but it's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

Anyway, I used a Logitech Marble Mouse for several years, great little trackball but it has no scroll wheel and the two little buttons are useless, so for my applications it was a 2-button mouse. The thing that finally killed it for me though is when I upgraded to an HD monitor and noticed the lack of precision.

The L-TracX which I use now is an excellent mouse, very easy to modify with a little soldering experience. With that said, there was definitely a break-in period, both for the ball to smooth out and for me to learn to use it precisely. The first few times I used it for long periods, my hand actually felt worn-out a bit afterwards, I assume this was because I was using different muscles than I was used to. Now I have no problems with the 'ball, I find it very precise and very comfortable.

Just my thoughts, hope it helps!

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Offline bionicroach

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 12 May 2011, 10:40:33 »
As mentioned, it's all personal preference more than anything else, but to me the biggest difference between the thumb-driven trackballs and centered trackballs is that the thumb ones make it easier to do click-and-drag type of movements (like grabbing the edge of a window to resize) due to the fact that it's more natural to rest your hand on the main body of the device while holding a button and operating the thumb ball.  For me, on a centered trackball, this motion is awkward because I feel like I have to kind of "hover" my hand over the body of the trackball to be able to operate the ball while pressing a button down with my thumb or ring/pinky finger.

On the other hand, for just general web surfing or wide, sweeping motions, the centered trackballs seem to be a little less fatiguing.  And it's nice that you can switch hands with centered trackballs if you want to.  I find that if I use a thumb trackball for extended time, my thumb gets a bit sore and my hand can cramp up because the grip on that type of trackball is pretty similar to a traditional mouse, where you kind of grab onto it for stability, though it's a more relaxed grip than on a mouse.  (Also, I have some repetitive stress / tendonitis issues with my hand since I fractured it a while back and it's never really regained full range of motion, so I'm more sensitive to that sort of issue than the average person would be.)
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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 12 May 2011, 11:15:00 »
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For me, on a centered trackball, this motion is awkward because I feel like I have to kind of "hover" my hand over the body of the trackball to be able to operate the ball while pressing a button down with my thumb or ring/pinky finger.

Have you tried a Microsoft Trackball Explorer?  One of the reasons I like it is the ergo shape makes resting your hand very comfortable, with 4 buttons + clickable scroll wheel in easy reach.  

I have my pinky on right click, ring finger on Forward, first two fingers on the ball, then I use my thumb for left click, Back, and scroll (clickable as middle click).  I've yet to find anything that is as efficient for web browsing.

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 12 May 2011, 12:20:35 »
Today, I went to two different stores for electronics. Only one of them had a whopping number of two different trackballs. Both logitech: marble mouse and wireless trackman. Both a center ball versions.





I'm not so sure what to think about the latter, the buttons are great for forwards and backwards but on the other hand the whole construction limits the position of the hand. It's the same as with mechanical keyboards: there's no easy way to try them out in penson which makes it harder to settle down on one.

The first computer I used - a commodore 128 - had a kinda joystick mouse with this giant 'hemisphere' I used to wreck while playing Summer Games and such... Can't find a picture of that. Anyone knows what's it called?

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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 13 May 2011, 06:34:37 »
Decided on the trackman marble. The reason I got this is that I can use it with either hand - really nice thing if you are able to switch and it's one of the more reasonable priced ones you can get here.

Although I have never owned a trackball before and the first time I tried one several years ago was like 'how come that bloody thing doesn't move', it's pretty easy to use. I just have to see what the software it came with is like.

Offline ironman31

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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 13 May 2011, 07:18:38 »
Question: Did you have any bad tracking problems with that second mouse? Or did you happen to know if both the marble and optical trackman felt any different as far as how quickly you could move across the screen?
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



Pointing Devices:
Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution


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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 13 May 2011, 07:34:20 »
@ ironman31: Can't really say much about the trackman cordless, I just gripped it in the store for a wee moment and decided that I liked the trackman marble better for the reasons mentioned above. Don't know if there is a speed difference between the two as I couldn't find any information whatsoever (dpi, ...). I use windows 7 with a 1080p monitor, mouse speed is on the highest setting. Have to see if I can make it move faster with the software. Otherwise it's not hard to get used to it - at least for me.

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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 13 May 2011, 08:24:50 »
I'm not interested in the speed as much as I am in how quickly you can move the cursor without it lagging or staying in one spot.
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



Pointing Devices:
Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution


Offline ironman31

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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 13 May 2011, 08:50:25 »
Tried it without anything wireless on. It just feels like the sensor can't read the ball as quickly as I am turning it.
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



Pointing Devices:
Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution


Offline ironman31

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 13 May 2011, 09:38:38 »
It happened with two separate ones, so I guess ill try it on another computer
Keyboards:
IBM Model M Space Saving Keyboard (Used), HHKB Pro 2 (White, Lettered), Realforce 87U all-45g in White, Filco Majestouch 2 TKL with Cherry MX Browns, Model F PC/ATNoppoo Choc Mini (MX Browns), Model F XT, IBM Model M 1397735 (bought NIB), (2) Siig Minitouch (GHSS) one with XM, one with complicated ALPs (modded),2 Dell AT101W, Cherry G80-11900HRMUS (modded with MX browns)



Pointing Devices:
Logitech G500, Evoluent VerticalMouse 3, Logitech G5, CST 2545W, Microsoft IntelliMouse Trackball, Logitech M570, Logitech MX revolution


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« Reply #11 on: Tue, 17 May 2011, 12:12:35 »
Setpoint really speeds up the mouse, the highest setting in Windows is only half the speed you can get with it... woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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« Reply #12 on: Tue, 17 May 2011, 12:34:17 »
Had already the highest mouse speed setting in Windows so I couldn't make the mouse run any faster.

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« Reply #13 on: Tue, 17 May 2011, 12:44:10 »
Either way, the trackball rocks!

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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 19 May 2011, 16:10:50 »
It works but it's kinda awkward to hold down that small button on the right feels a bit like the guy from "You don't mess with the Zohan"...

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