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Offline forTruce

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« on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 12:40:50 »
I know this might get a few of you cringing to hear that this might be possible, but I am wondering if it really is.  Have any of you ever known someone to prefer rubber dome keyboards to mechanical keyboards?  I mean this purely in a typing experience way.  If they prefer rubber dome because of availability or cost compared to mechanical that doesn't count.

So, do they exist?
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« Reply #1 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 13:06:03 »
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I know this might get a few of you cringing to hear that this might be possible, but I am wondering if it really is.  Have any of you ever known someone to prefer rubber dome keyboards to mechanical keyboards?  I mean this purely in a typing experience way.  If they prefer rubber dome because of availability or cost compared to mechanical that doesn't count.

So, do they exist?


Yes, I loved the switches on one particular Goldtouch keyboard (40g activation force) as well as the Comfort Keyboard System extra-soft-touch version at 35g activation force. That latter was the most comfortable switch I ever tried. I like both of these rubber domes much better than cherry browns for instance.
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« Reply #2 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 13:08:04 »
I can see the whole selection, price, and noise swaying opinions, but I am wondering the consensus with those factors out of the equation.  I know it might be a bit hard to take noise out since it is so important, but I'm curious if there are people out there that would prefer the feel of a rubber dome over mechanical in a blind, soundproof, and free "taste" test.  Let's just go ahead and also assume that each individual being tested is using the switch type that they would rate as their favorite if they tried all of them.

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Yes, I loved the switches on one particular Goldtouch keyboard (40g activation force) as well as the Comfort Keyboard System extra-soft-touch version at 35g activation force. That latter was the most comfortable switch I ever tried. I like both of these rubber domes much better than cherry browns for instance.

Interesting.  I guess I had never even thought to consider the fact that higher quality rubber dome keyboards do exist.
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« Reply #3 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 13:36:10 »
I really enjoyed the layout on the Microsoft Ergo 4k, so I guess you could say I liked them for that purpose, but eventually gave them up because the rubber domes wear out and I would wind up bottoming out on them all day.  Peak force would come early in the keystroke but then completely vanishes as the rubber dome collapses.  Meanwhile on a mechanical board you can actually make an effort to not bottom out all the time and have a better typing experience.

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Interesting.  I guess I had never even thought to consider the fact that higher quality rubber dome keyboards do exist.


Some folks consider Topre Realforce boards to be rubber dome, although the Topre switches are a bit more complicated than that.  They are regarded by many  (me included) as one of the most pleasant boards to type on.

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« Reply #4 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 13:45:16 »
Part of the "problem" if you want to call it that might also be the simple unavailability of a wide variety of mechanical keyboards to the average consumer unless they deliberately search them out and then order online.  e.g. someone who has a light touch and a good RD board and whose only exposure to mechanical keyboards might be a Model M or AT101 might very well say that they prefer the RD boards because they are a better fit to their typing style, but they've never tried a board with browns or reds which they might like better yet.  And if they are only shopping in brick and mortar computer stores, they likely never will try them, either.

I kind of ended up getting "into" mechanical keyboards when I needed a keyboard for a new PC that I bought...  the keyboard that came with it was some commodity $3 piece of junk and it was just unacceptable.  I bought a SIIG board at Micro Center as it was the only thing on the shelf that felt significantly better to me but it wasn't quite right either.  Finally I picked up a Model M off eBay because I remembered them as being good boards that I liked to type on.  Then I took one to work because my keyboard at work sucked too, and apparently offended all my coworkers.  So that sent me off on a quest to find a keyboard that I would actually enjoy typing on that didn't make an unholy racket when I really got a good roll going, and that's how I ended up here.

Sad to say, but only people with a little touch of OCD would likely go down that path and follow it all the way to the conclusion...
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« Reply #5 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 14:49:54 »
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Even ugly women often have children.

I'd say yes, there are some people that prefer the feel of Rubber Domes.


But....
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(gotta get my Lego pics in before the RipsterHaters report these on Monday)

Haha, awesome pic and great analogy.  And a bit OT here, but what is this thing going down on Monday that you keep talking about?

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Some folks consider Topre Realforce boards to be rubber dome, although the Topre switches are a bit more complicated than that. They are regarded by many (me included) as one of the most pleasant boards to type on.

I have never heard that comparison before, but I have heard of all the love surrounding Topre (still don't know how to pronounce) switches and really want to try them myself.

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Sad to say, but only people with a little touch of OCD would likely go down that path and follow it all the way to the conclusion...

Ultimately, when it comes down to it I totally agree with you.  There is absolutely no way the average consumer would really go mechanical.  Between availability, price, and just the sheer ignorance to the existence of mechanical keyboards it would be hard to find a reality in which mechanical keyboards were the norm.
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« Reply #6 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 15:03:25 »
That doesn't sound too terribly apocalyptic, but I guess it all comes down to how sensitive the banning becomes.  Hopefully it doesn't turn into a banfest.
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« Reply #7 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 15:24:49 »
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That doesn't sound too terribly apocalyptic, but I guess it all comes down to how sensitive the banning becomes.  Hopefully it doesn't turn into a banfest.

Ignore him, he's just pissed there may actually be consequences for his frequent trolling/spam/threadcrapping.

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Offline Arc'xer

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« Reply #8 on: Fri, 09 September 2011, 16:29:56 »
Best guess is they prefer the elastic tactility of the dome and it's rounded tactility rather than the fixed point of the cherry mx and prefer bottoming out i.e. a combination of utilizing the membranes for so many years and probably heavy-handed typing even if they learn to touch type. Albeit most of those people probably use cheap membrane domes, the ones who use rubber domes like Keytronic, Topre, or any other high-end brand  like them for a reason. In reality there isn't anything wrong with rubber domes it's just another switch type and quite variable like mechanical switches i.e. using a plastic slider on top, scissors etc.etc. But most people are accustomed to the low quality membranes.

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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 02:03:14 »
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I know this might get a few of you cringing to hear that this might be possible, but I am wondering if it really is.  Have any of you ever known someone to prefer rubber dome keyboards to mechanical keyboards?  


What question is that ?

Likely there are 2 or 3 billions of computers around the world, and likely the 99.9999999% of them are equipped with rubber domes or scissor switches boards.

So, yes there are people that prefer rubber domes.
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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 02:45:26 »
And for the most part, system builders. Honestly, most people I know simply don't care, and some will simply hate the sight of a keyboard with "tall" keys similar to their older and "traumatizing" RD. No matter if RD or mechanical, simply because a scissor keyboard looks slicker and is usually more silent. In many forums it will always be usual for most to point the top priced, full extras wireless scissor board like the diNovo as the best money can buy.

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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 02:51:02 »
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full extras wireless scissor board like the diNovo as the best money can buy.


The dinovo edge isn't just a full featured keyboard, it's a perfectstroke one like the k800 and the logitech illuminated, that are top notch even on the key mechanics.
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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 03:00:21 »
But it's still closer to an already positively accepted scissor board, than let's say a Topre to a RD. I'm not arguing of it's quality, only what's perceived as best in detriment to something "old".

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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 05:07:41 »
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The dinovo edge isn't just a full featured keyboard, it's a perfectstroke one like the k800 and the logitech illuminated, that are top notch even on the key mechanics.
Bwahahaha. Perfectstroke. Bwahahahahahahaha.

Offline The Solutor

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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 06:10:08 »
Subscibtions to GH should be limited to humans. Monkeys are just noisy.
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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 06:40:24 »
Agreed. Certain Italian monkeys are definitely noisy.

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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 07:40:49 »
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Agreed. Certain Italian monkeys are definitely noisy.


Instead of recycle other's messages, write something about your country, the place where your cage is placed I mean.
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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 14:03:46 »
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Likely there are 2 or 3 billions of computers around the world, and likely the 99.9999999% of them are equipped with rubber domes or scissor switches boards.

So, yes there are people that prefer rubber domes.
Most of these people can't really prefer anything because they don't even know that the choice exists.

And BTW, 99.9999999% of 3 billions is 3 or 3000, depending on whether you meant American or European billions.
Man, you are provably wrong.

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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 14:13:30 »
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Most of these people can't really prefer anything because they don't even know that the choice exists.


True but when we speak about other similar markets like wristwattches one people who know the difference between a rolex and a swatch still buy a swatch.

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And BTW, 99.9999999% of 3 billions is 3 or 3000, depending on whether you meant American or European billions.


European billions doesn't exist i prefer to use the word milliards because isn't misleading, but this leaded to other critics from American people (you are never happy )

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Man, you are provably wrong


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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 14:26:43 »
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European billions doesn't exist i prefer to use the word milliards because isn't misleading

Wow, that's a fascinating wikipedia link. Most interesting thing I learned from it is that Canada is split, in Canadian English, a bilion is 10⁹ but in Canadian French, a billion is 10¹². I wonder which term they use at TrulyErgonomic HQ.
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« Reply #20 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 14:48:09 »
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Most interesting thing I learned from it is that Canada is split, in Canadian English, a bilion is 10⁹ but in Canadian French, a billion is 10¹².


Oh, if you find this fascinating you should ask yourself if Japan use 50Hz like in Europe or 60Hz like in America as line frequency. :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_frequency
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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 15:10:04 »
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Oh, if you find this fascinating you should ask yourself if Japan use 50Hz like in Europe or 60Hz like in America as line frequency. :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_frequency

I don't have a strong opinion about the Hz, but, having come in contact with live wires more times than I care to remember, I much prefer 120 volts to 230
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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 15:55:23 »
The worst keyboard I ever tried was a Dell Quietkey. **** that was crap. I like 5/4.
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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 16:03:05 »
I have tried to get two scissor-switch users to like mechanicals, but without success. I think that part of the problem is that a typical scissor-switch keyboard is lower, and to properly compare a bulkier mechanical to one, you need to give the mech a proper wrist rest.

The Logitech DiNovo Edge is not bad as a keyboard. It is big, expensive, glossy and has flashy features, though.
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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 16:05:03 »
"Even a Topre is a tiny bit louder than a scissor switch keyboard."

Oh Brother. :der:

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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 16:09:19 »
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I know this might get a few of you cringing to hear that this might be possible, but I am wondering if it really is.  Have any of you ever known someone to prefer rubber dome keyboards to mechanical keyboards?  I mean this purely in a typing experience way.  If they prefer rubber dome because of availability or cost compared to mechanical that doesn't count.

So, do they exist?

Yes they exist. And I think you can fairly say that cost is a factor in my purchases to the reverse of most here. I'm in the process of swapping back some of the Filcos that I may have been too hasty in buying at work, and I've ordered a Sidewinder X4 to replace the Topre for my main home PC - the rest can stay as they don't get used that often. Reasons - ergonomics, noise, facilities, and the fact that it gives me zero advantages in typing speed/accuracy or (especially for that PC) gaming.

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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 16:10:27 »
You have to remember to o-ring mod it before using it in a work environment lest you disturb the lusers eh I mean colleagues.
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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 17:54:05 »
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I have tried to get two scissor-switch users to like mechanicals, but without success.


Maybe because some of them are just damn good keyboards ?

Until people dont realize that mech keyboards are  different but not necessarily better, all the related discussions will end to nowhere.
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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 10 September 2011, 22:53:13 »
I have my MXBrowns since a week and I already hate my old cheap Dell RD, but I still love the scissor KB from my Laptop.
The travel is super short, typing feels "refreshing" in opposition to the muddy RD and the mechanical where I have jet to get used to the actuation point, layout and otaku keycaps.
My mechanical is more fun to type and feels more solid than the scissor one though.

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 11 September 2011, 20:42:48 »
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"Even a Topre is a tiny bit louder than a scissor switch keyboard."

Oh Brother. :der:

This is true...I have my Realforce next to my Apple Wired board right now, it's noticeable. If sound is CRITICAL to you...stick with a QuietKey or similar.
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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 11 September 2011, 21:48:08 »
I would recommend a Keytronics Lifetime series Classic keyboard.  I found this to be the best rubber dome I have ever used.  (aside from topres)
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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 11 September 2011, 21:53:11 »
I'm back on a mechanical Cherry MX Blues keyboard after having been on a rubber dome for a few months. (It's a good IBM rubber dome keyboard.) The difference is really enormous for touch typing. It's faster, it's more pleasant, and the crisp clicking and clacking is pleasing to hear as well.

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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 11 September 2011, 22:05:06 »
it's all subjective, it's like saying "you've had filet mignon, why would you ever eat hamburger?"

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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 11 September 2011, 22:11:04 »
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it's all subjective, it's like saying "you've had filet mignon, why would you ever eat hamburger?"

Pretty good analogy actually! I have absolutely no qualms with using my Macbook Pro's onboard keyboard when I'm just doing some work in my bed. I have a preference for one of my fancier boards but it's still a nice scissor switch that I'm not going to be a snob about.
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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 11 September 2011, 22:11:40 »
I actually like rubber domes to an extent but I've yet to find a high quality one that looks worthwhile. No way I'd buy a Topre unless I had plenty of money to spare. Higher quality rubber domes seem too expensive to be worthwhile in relative durability? Made sense to just get a mechanical and hope it outlasts 3 or so membrane lives. : P

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« Reply #35 on: Sun, 11 September 2011, 22:15:06 »
well i'm certainly not saying that expensive is better, otherwise all the Topre ppl would be snobbish towards the Cherry crowd and even the Buckling Spring crowd since most BS's are found at goodwill for a dollar or being thrown out.

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« Reply #36 on: Mon, 12 September 2011, 00:28:32 »
I prefer Dos Equis.

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« Reply #37 on: Mon, 12 September 2011, 00:42:59 »
yep.  nothing but a sperm trampoline.

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« Reply #38 on: Mon, 12 September 2011, 17:38:19 »
I've used two IBM PS/2 towers in the past. Oddly I remember nothing about what keyboards they had, nor what they felt like. Were they Model M keyboards? Who knows. It's part of human nature to tune out much of the detail in the world around us. I'm amazed at the details I've later realised that I didn't pick up on, or must have simply written off as irrelevant and forgotten.

Watches are a bad analogy, as everyone must have seen a jewellers store, and plenty of watch styles – the main difference between watches is merely fashion, something that goes down big with ordinary folk. However, with computer keyboards it's too easy to simply assume that like so much else in the world, they simply suck: after using nothing but rubbish from year to year, job to job, it's something of a leap to assume that somewhere out there, are better products that no-one buys.

My first computer had linear mechanicals, and after using these keyboards for many years, I never ever realised that the switches actuate at mid travel. After that, I just got used to bad rubberdome after bad rubberdome, wondering with each new board why they suck so much, Mac and PC alike – Mac rubberdomes are particularly awful, everything from 68k beige up to the Apple Pro Keyboard.

The only seed that was planted in my mind was being given a Tulip 286 with what turned out to be a complicated blue ALPS keyboard (I finally found the courage to open up a now very scarred switch), which is exceptionally clicky, and very tactile. I saved that for years wondering what to do with it, since it's PC/AT and wouldn't connect to my PS/2 PC.


As for the original question: the down-side to Cherry is that bottoming out is like hitting a brick wall, and it's quite uncomfortable. Until and unless you reduce your stroke force, which takes a lot of mental retraining, a rubberdome's cushioned landing is much easier on your fingers. I don't notice how much lighter I type now on Cherry browns, until I try using a rubberdome and find it as stiff as XMs. However, the heavy-handed approach that rubberdome requires is engrained in my brain and I still use too much force unnecessarily, closing in on two years after switching to Cherry.

Rubberdomes vary so much though – I'm used to Dells, which are some of the worst for their clogged-with-wet-sand feel and awful rattle. Microsoft's rubberdomes are a lot better, as is also the latest Dell standard keyboard, which is a rarity in that it has low profile keycaps with full travel switches, so it both looks and feels good, yet it's still noticeably scratchy and rattly in a way that Topres aren't. There's no doubt that Topres are rubberdomes (I think people conflate rubberdome and membrane: Topres are rubberdome but not membrane, Model Ms are membrane but not rubberdome) but they're exceptionally clean in feel and sound – if you do like the softness of a dome switch, Topre is what you want: for a dome switch it's flawless. Having got used to Cherry, I also appreciate my Realforce not requiring 65 g force like a typical rubberdome!
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« Reply #39 on: Mon, 12 September 2011, 17:55:55 »
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As for the original question: the down-side to Cherry is that bottoming out is like hitting a brick wall, and it's quite uncomfortable. Until and unless you reduce your stroke force, which takes a lot of mental retraining, a rubberdome's cushioned landing is much easier on your fingers.

Solving this is easy, just add o-rings. Wasdkeyboards.com has them, and looks like shipping to the UK is very cheap ($1.46) on a small item like this. If you want a softer landing than o-rings, there's the soft-landing pads from EK.
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« Reply #40 on: Mon, 12 September 2011, 18:00:40 »
Well, yes, there is that – I just type lighter now. Those would surely ruin the sound of the keyboard anyway ;-)
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« Reply #41 on: Mon, 12 September 2011, 19:21:55 »
I've had a chance to try all MX switch types* except clears and would personally rank them (with the exception of MX Red) below older crispier rubber dome keyboards.

It's easy to get caught up in all the enthusiasm about mech/high end kbs, I admit that I did, and fortunately walked away with a few Topres to keep. If you have a good trusty rubberdome you love, I would personally keep using that than invest heavily in trying out all flavours of mx switches - it might just not be worth it in the end.

*edit: the more common flavours, not including the obscure mx switches.
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« Reply #42 on: Mon, 12 September 2011, 19:52:21 »
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As for the original question: the down-side to Cherry is that bottoming out is like hitting a brick wall, and it's quite uncomfortable. Until and unless you reduce your stroke force, which takes a lot of mental retraining, a rubberdome's cushioned landing is much easier on your fingers. I don't notice how much lighter I type now on Cherry browns, until I try using a rubberdome and find it as stiff as XMs. However, the heavy-handed approach that rubberdome requires is engrained in my brain and I still use too much force unnecessarily, closing in on two years after switching to Cherry.

Well, I think that that is why I like clears, because the stiffer springs keep one from bottoming out.

A possible refinement would be to use progressive-rate springs, like the aftermarket suspension springs I installed on an old VW years ago... the coils are wound so that the coils at one end of the spring are closer together than the coils at the other end of the spring.  So if this is done right, the closely spaced coils would bind at a point somewhat after the tactile bump and actuation point (which should be the same thing) but before bottoming out and then the spring rate would increase dramatically.  However, I'm not sure if anyone is going to put the R&D into producing something like that for what is already a niche market.

However, now that you've put the idea in my head, I'd LOVE to try a board w/ clear sliders and progressive rate springs with the initial rate slightly lighter than clears and the final rate heavier.  Cloud of boobs, indeed!
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« Reply #43 on: Tue, 13 September 2011, 06:13:22 »
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The worst keyboard I ever tried was a Dell Quietkey. **** that was crap. I like 5/4.

 
Might have been the mediocre SK-8000 or SK-1000REW variants. RT7D5JTW is well above average for rubber domes.

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« Reply #44 on: Tue, 13 September 2011, 06:14:29 »
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If sound is CRITICAL to you...stick with a QuietKey or similar.

 
Bad idea. Despite the name RT7D5JTW is one of the loudest rubber domes I've used.

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« Reply #45 on: Tue, 13 September 2011, 07:24:48 »
If sound is critical stick to one of these rollable. Unfortunately they are near to impossible to type on =P

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« Reply #46 on: Tue, 13 September 2011, 15:02:54 »
There's a lot of quiet scissor switch keyboards that are also excellent for typing. The better ones do cost good money though - e.g. Thinkpad external is $60, the price of a very good used Model M.

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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 13 September 2011, 22:04:18 »
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It's part of human nature to tune out much of the detail in the world around us.


http://xkcd.com/915/

Quote from: suntorytime;415209
If you have a good trusty rubberdome you love, I would personally keep using that than invest heavily in trying out all flavours of mx switches - it might just not be worth it in the end.


mechanical != cherry
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« Reply #48 on: Tue, 13 September 2011, 22:53:49 »
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http://xkcd.com/915/
mechanical != cherry

Sure, I realise. You could also add alps and buckling springs in the mix. Does that still make it any easier/cheaper to narrow down a mechanical switch you like?

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« Reply #49 on: Wed, 14 September 2011, 11:12:51 »
Not really any easier, but it does make it significantly cheaper. Each one of those can be <$30. Including cherry if you get an old used one. Especially if you're just testing the waters.

There are also people who will simply never like cherry switches, and with everyone always saying things like 'i want a mech board, should I get a filco?' those are often the only ones that get looked at. If that's all someone tries and say that they prefer rubber domes, it isn't that that is true they just don't like cherry switches. This is why the caveat at the beginning of this thread said to not count price or people who have only ever used the crap that came with their computer.
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