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Offline Inf3rn0_44

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« on: Tue, 10 January 2012, 16:30:00 »
Have any of you tried Company of Heroes? Its a totally worth while game for any RTS players, community is sorta on the small size.
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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 11 January 2012, 08:18:06 »
Its hellova old game. I haven't personally played it, but have seen friends play it next to me (lots of LAN cafe-ing). It seemed to be a good game, but by now it's old, no?
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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 11 January 2012, 10:18:10 »
It's old, but it's an unsung hero of RTS. It won game of the year and RTS of the year but STILL people didn't seem to play it. It's too hard for most people to play, not in terms of micro but in terms of strategy. It requires more thinking as there are more options you can take than in Starcraft and you have more limited resources so you can never really choose to do all of them.

It has the most complicated mechanics of any RTS and it takes a good deal of devotion to really take the time to dig in and look up the numbers, which can't be seen directly in-game, you have to go to a website which has everything listed. There is randomness to things which some people don't like. When a unit shoots it isn't guaranteed to hit, but it's probability so you consider the average. For some units this randomness isn't felt, like from a machine gun, because there are so many bullets you don't really care if you miss a few, but if you have a tank or sniper that only shoots once every 5 seconds, when something misses you sometimes feel cheated and that you were unlucky.

There's still a community who plays it on gamereplays.org and there's another site... something like companyofheroes.something which is even more dedicated to it. They still have tournaments pretty often. The only people left playing it now are probably those who are really good at the game I imagine so it might be hard to get into it. A lot of people also don't like the slower pace of the game or the small scale (fewer units, bigger map).

The three resource system is amazing and really makes me wish games would move past just using two. "Manpower" is like minerals, but vespene gas is broken into two separate resources, "fuel" and "ammunition." Fuel is to buy higher tier units and upgrades that effect all your units where ammunition is to upgrade specific units (like to buy a bazooka for a specific squad) and to use support powers like artillery strikes. You can't guarantee you have all resources at once since you get them through map control rather than by harvesting them in your base, but it makes for interesting gameplay. Most of the time you will want fuel, but if you don't have a lot you can use ammunition to buy bazookas and kill the tanks that they buy with their fuel.

Almost every unit and weapons has it's own armor and damage type, and weapons do different damage and have different accuracy based on how close you are (SMGs do poor damage at long range but do a lot of damage at short range) so you have a lot of interesting positioning going on. If your opponent has riflemen and you have SMGs you want to get close, but how dangerous is it to move closer to enemy lines?

Then there's cover, which is directional and there is light cover, negative cover and heavy cover. Vehicles move faster on roads but people like to put landmines on roads. There's just so much in the game it's truly fantastic and every game could learn from it. Not to mention there's like 30000 voice responses for units and only like 50 units in the game, so they have something ridiculous like 600 lines each where they actually shout out about the EXACT unit that is shooting at them, where they are shooting from and what they themselves are doing. Things like:

"Lets use that wall for cover."
"Enemy riflemen/pioneers/sniper shooting at us from the right!"
"****! ****! Where did that tank come from!!?!?"
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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 11 January 2012, 12:02:46 »
Company of heroes?

pff.

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 11 January 2012, 12:16:38 »
I've heard some Company of Heroes players mention it and I'll have to take a look. I just took a quick peek at the metacritic score and it's 93 vs 77 in CoH's favor!
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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 11 January 2012, 13:04:53 »
COH was the first PC game I bought that actually taxed a computer. I remember being amazed by the graphics detail of just about everything in that game, as well as the physics system and the fantastic audio as mentioned above (machine guns and tanks never sounded that scary). I will agree that the learning curve is pretty steep and requires a lot of thinking, but it's really satisfying to pull off a good strategy through proper positioning and tactics.

It's a really fun RTS game that is enhanced with good graphics and audio. It's really a shame not that many people have experienced it.
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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 16:20:06 »
Yeah oneproduct and wongster summed it up wonderfully, I love this game for its unique difficulties. The reward of overall strategy makes me love this game above all other RTS's. The fact that its not the APM that matters, its the way you play and what you do that counts. An RTS should be Strategy>APM spam at all times. And although Relic has had issue's balancing this game over the years, I still find this to be the best current RTS out today. Not to mention its still a good looking game. Its learning curve is seriously steep, but what other good RTS doesnt have that? This game defiantly doesn't get the credit it deserves. Its one hell of a great game. I wish relic creates a second one, regardless of the time frame or focus. As long as the core principles of CoH remain.
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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 17:00:49 »
I used to play this game loads its the best RTS you can play IMHO people who think starcraft is "the S***" for strategy have never played this at a high level, this game makes the most complex strategies of a starcraft clickathon look like a zergling rush

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 18:44:43 »
Awesome game. Relic is one of my favourite devs.

Relic RTSes emphasize keeping your squads alive and leveling them up.

This is the precursor to the wh40k dawn of war series. Relic also did Halo Wars on the 360, which has some similarities to the other games.
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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 12 January 2012, 19:39:44 »
Ow. Ow. Oh god, this thread gives me an anyeurism. The level of misinformation about Starcraft in this thread is staggering.

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 13 January 2012, 04:29:50 »
Quote from: Kibibit;489098
Ow. Ow. Oh god, this thread gives me an anyeurism. The level of misinformation about Starcraft in this thread is staggering.

I don't see much talk about starcraft in here...not enough to consider it misinformation.
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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 13 January 2012, 05:12:20 »
I have it, I'm no RTS player really, so I can't comment on anything advanced, but I'd agree it's an excellent game, and it is a pity more people don't play it.
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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 13 January 2012, 20:22:48 »
i think EG HuK from sc2 was the top player for awhile but switched over to sc2 when it was in beta

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« Reply #13 on: Sun, 15 January 2012, 10:58:36 »
CoH actually had a really shaky start to become one of my top rated games. This is because, IT MATTERS with who and what game mode you play. Playing a custom match on a slow paced campy map like, scheldt, Achelous River and other similar maps, kills the creativity you can get from this game. These maps promote arty spam and other bs. They teach you mostly WRONG game style and tactics for CoH play. And this is where I started, doing those games. I guess it was easier to understand during that time and it really took me a while to get outta that phase of crap maps.. Then I discovered ranked 1v1 and 2v2, and CoH came alive! I don't even play for stats/leaderboard, the variety of maps and challenging play will always keep me interested. The battles have so much more possibility and overall appeal. So to who ever didn't click into CoH and you play RTS, I think you should give ranked 1v1 a try once more.
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