Continuation of Green Clack Sale Discussion...

[WRXChris]

We were having a good discussion, and some mod decided to sneakily lock the thread, without even having the balls to show their face. 

This is why this forum keeps losing longtime members, it's censored like CNN or Fox News.

Watch, I have a feeling this post will get me banned. :/

[Jocelyn]

I agree with you, but are you sure osxoep didn't lock it?

[Tym]

The green clack sale? I told him to lock it, and he said he had tried but didn't know where the button was, so I told him

[WRXChris]

not so sure now, just saw his final post.

[Jocelyn]

The green clack sale? I told him to lock it, and he said he had friend but didn't know where the button was so I told him

But where are people going to discuss things now? This thread?

Chris, maybe edit title (and OP) to "Green Clack post sale discussion" or something? lol

[WRXChris]

well we were in the middle of a decent discussion, which was hastily derailed.  Whatever.  Sorry for the accusation, mods.

[Michael]

I believe the OP closed it, for whatever reason, who knows. But maybe ask a mod to move it to a new discussion the OP can't lock.


To the OP of that thread: WTF dude?

[osxoep]

u guys mad?

[Michael]

u guys mad?

Yep, you're definitely a douche.

[Tym]

I thought it should have been closed, not sure why. Just did >.>

[Dgsbllx]

[Jocelyn]

u guys mad?

I'm not mad, but rather confused about why it was locked. We need some kind of post sale thread to discuss things, so with yours locked, another one is bound to be created, which makes locking yours kinda pointless imo.

[WRXChris]

You thought it should be closed because you want to continue to be able to spam your way into cc's, exactly what I was trying to call out for being unfair. 

Rather than let the discussion go down, maybe get the loophole closed, and even the playing field, right?

[tjcaustin]

Cause accusations embolden honest and open conversation.

[tsangan]

Please don't blame the mods when we did nothing, kthx

[Tym]

Considering I haven't actually got a Clack, considering I really want one, no I don't think the loop-hole should be left open for the few.

[WRXChris]

Please don't blame the mods when we did nothing, kthx

I apologized, and I'll apologize again, sorry for the false accusations, mods!!

EDIT: But I can't delete my accusations because that will go against my anti-censorship morals!

[osxoep]

Honestly did not think everyone would get their panties in a twist.

You thought it should be closed because you want to continue to be able to spam your way into cc's, exactly what I was trying to call out for being unfair. 

Rather than let the discussion go down, maybe get the loophole closed, and even the playing field, right?

I've been part of two CC sales and I have sent a grand total of 2 emails to CC.

[longweight]

Considering I haven't actually got a Clack, considering I really want one, no I don't think the loop-hole should be left open for the few.

Loophole?

[Tym]

Spamming ****loads of emails, as being early doesn't not disqualify you, apparently.

[tjcaustin]

Please don't blame the mods when we did nothing, kthx

I apologized, and I'll apologize again, sorry for the false accusations, mods!!

EDIT: But I can't delete my accusations because that will go against my anti-censorship morals!

Paradoxes fix themselves, by-and-large!

[longweight]

Spamming ****loads of emails, as being early doesn't not disqualify you, apparently.

You think that is the biggest "loophole" in the system?

[WRXChris]

Considering I haven't actually got a Clack, considering I really want one, no I don't think the loop-hole should be left open for the few.

Loophole?

spamming emails doesn't disqualify.  I'm SURE some have been doing it, but most have not, leaving the majority at a disadvantage for not being greedy exploiting holes in the rules.

EDIT: ninja'd!

[Tym]

No, but that's the discussion.

[Michael]

Honestly did not think everyone would get their panties in a twist.

Clearly you did, when you say things like "You guys mad?" which is the same as the troll 'u mad bro?'.

[MKULTRA]

REMEMBER GUYS...

ITS JUST A PIECE OF PLASTIC

[jcrouse]

We were having a good discussion, and some mod decided to sneakily lock the thread, without even having the balls to show their face. 

This is why this forum keeps losing longtime members, it's censored like CNN or Fox News.

Watch, I have a feeling this post will get me banned. :/

WRX ... Could you please define "good conversation", if you wish to continue? Since it is subjective, I am guessing most would not consider opinionated accusations good conversation. Especially when the same person turns around and then resorts to name calling when someone does similar actions and / or dorse not agree.

I would personally consider most good conversations to be rooted in fact, not butt hurt and bitterness.

John

[longweight]

Considering I haven't actually got a Clack, considering I really want one, no I don't think the loop-hole should be left open for the few.

Loophole?

spamming emails doesn't disqualify.  I'm SURE some have been doing it, but most have not, leaving the majority at a disadvantage for not being greedy exploiting holes in the rules.

EDIT: ninja'd!

The system is never going to be fair, if some want the caps badly enough to send lots of emails then I don't really have a problem with it.

[WRXChris]

We were having a good discussion, and some mod decided to sneakily lock the thread, without even having the balls to show their face. 

This is why this forum keeps losing longtime members, it's censored like CNN or Fox News.

Watch, I have a feeling this post will get me banned. :/

WRX ... Could you please define "good conversation", if you wish to continue? Since it is subjective, I am guessing most would not consider opinionated accusations good conversation. Especially when the same person turns around and then resorts to name calling when someone does similar actions and / or dorse not agree.

I would personally consider most good conversations to be rooted in fact, not butt hurt and bitterness.

John

Please keep reading the thread, I apologized and tried to regain some civility.

[Michael]

We were having a good discussion, and some mod decided to sneakily lock the thread, without even having the balls to show their face. 

This is why this forum keeps losing longtime members, it's censored like CNN or Fox News.

Watch, I have a feeling this post will get me banned. :/

WRX ... Could you please define "good conversation", if you wish to continue? Since it is subjective, I am guessing most would not consider opinionated accusations good conversation. Especially when the same person turns around and then resorts to name calling when someone does similar actions and / or dorse not agree.

I would personally consider most good conversations to be rooted in fact, not butt hurt and bitterness.

John

Please keep reading the thread, I apologized and tryed to regain some civility.

John has a habit of selective reading

[The_Beast]

REMEMBER GUYS...

ITS JUST A PIECE OF PLASTIC

*IT'S


lol

[Grim Fandango]

Someone mentioned that the only way to get in on the sale was to cheat ( send e-mails early or spam them).

I got in simply by sending a prepared e-mail when the counter ended. Nothing more nothing less. While I do not know what kind of effect such an unfair tactic would have on your chances, I do not think it is a necessity. Taking some other members by their word, it does not seem the majority of people who got in used such a strategy.

I think people are frustrated because there is a large element of luck involved. This is easily accepted when it is a lottery for example, but maybe a little harder to come to terms with if people believe they can affect the outcome.

I hope the people who did not get in will get in next time. Almost feel  bad about getting in on the sale. You'd almost forget how much money you just paid for a few keycaps

[osxoep]

Clearly you did, when you say things like "You guys mad?" which is the same as the troll 'u mad bro?'.

Honestly, I thought people would say "aww, that's a shame that topic was locked" and then move on with their life.
You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Stop whining!

Paradoxes fix themselves, by-and-large!

Fezzes are cool now.

[MKULTRA]

Same here.  Made up an e-mail with my top selection being 1M or w.e, then sent when the timer hit zero.  I prolly should have refreshed the timer at about 1 minute or so.  Also I'm gonna try a new e-mail client next time.  AOL seems to always have issues for others.

[Jocelyn]

Someone mentioned that the only way to get in on the sale was to cheat ( send e-mails early or spam them).

I got in simply by sending a prepared e-mail when the counter ended. Nothing more nothing less. While I do not know what kind of effect such an unfair tactic would have on your chances, I do not think it is a necessity. Taking some other members by their word, it does not seem the majority of people who got in used such a strategy.
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I think people are frustrated because there is a large element of luck involved. This is easily accepted when it is a lottery for example, but maybe a little harder to come to terms with if people believe they can affect the outcome.

I hope the people who did not get in will get in next time. Almost feel  bad about winning.

I agree with all of this except the bit about luck. Mathematically speaking, it's random and not luck, and as we all know, random is not fair

[longweight]

Stop whining!

This is GH....

[Michael]

Honestly, I thought people would say "aww, that's a shame that topic was locked" and then move on with their life.
You need to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
Stop whining!

I stand by my previous comment regarding you.

[tjcaustin]

blahblahblah not Doctor Who references

Paradoxes fix themselves, by-and-large!

Fezzes are cool now.

OMG YEEEEEEEE

So are Stetsons, btw.

[osxoep]

This is GH....

I was quoting Bro Caps ironically.

I stand by my previous comment regarding you.

Okay!

[longweight]

This is GH....

I was quoting Bro Caps ironically.

I stand by my previous comment regarding you.

Okay!

I know but it was a big ask!

[WRXChris]

Someone mentioned that the only way to get in on the sale was to cheat ( send e-mails early or spam them).

I got in simply by sending a prepared e-mail when the counter ended. Nothing more nothing less. While I do not know what kind of effect such an unfair tactic would have on your chances, I do not think it is a necessity. Taking some other members by their word, it does not seem the majority of people who got in used such a strategy.
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I think people are frustrated because there is a large element of luck involved. This is easily accepted when it is a lottery for example, but maybe a little harder to come to terms with if people believe they can affect the outcome.

I hope the people who did not get in will get in next time. Almost feel  bad about winning.

Don't feel bad!  I'm sure most of the winners did so with a single well-timed email.  Enjoy your clacks, and congrats!

I just can't stop thinking that the rules allow the brute-force spam attack and I'm sure some exploited it and won. 
I publicly pointed this out, and it rightfully got people riled up, both from a fairness point of view, and out of respect for cc's sanity. 
Then that thread got locked in the middle of this discussion, and I got pissed and accused the mods, then apologized to the mods when I learned that the person who locked the thread was in fact the OP. 

That's pretty much the gist of it so far.

[jcrouse]

I can accept that. It is called interpertation. But in this case I was typing the response on my smartphone, which takes me forever. I think I do like 5 words per minute on this thing. Maybe because I'm old.

That said, I did see an apology to the mods but nothing to the general community for ..... ya know what, I am just gonna bail out now and say sometimes people are not nice and their actions are disappointing.

Have a good discussion. I am guessing if you discover a more fair method CC would be all ears.

[Grim Fandango]

Someone mentioned that the only way to get in on the sale was to cheat ( send e-mails early or spam them).

I got in simply by sending a prepared e-mail when the counter ended. Nothing more nothing less. While I do not know what kind of effect such an unfair tactic would have on your chances, I do not think it is a necessity. Taking some other members by their word, it does not seem the majority of people who got in used such a strategy.
'
I think people are frustrated because there is a large element of luck involved. This is easily accepted when it is a lottery for example, but maybe a little harder to come to terms with if people believe they can affect the outcome.

I hope the people who did not get in will get in next time. Almost feel  bad about winning.

Don't feel bad!  I'm sure most of the winners did so with a single well-timed email.  Enjoy your clacks, and congrats!

I just can't stop thinking that the rules allow the brute-force spam attack and I'm sure some exploited it and won. 
I publicly pointed this out, and it rightfully got people riled up, both from a fairness point of view, and out of respect for cc's sanity. 
Then that thread got locked in the middle of this discussion, and I got pissed and accused the mods, then apologized to the mods when I learned that the person who locked the thread was in fact the OP. 

That's pretty much the gist of it so far.

Fair enough. You pointed out a legitimate concern and I think there is no harm in talking about it. I just feel a little bad for CC in the middle of all this. He seems to try and do it in a way that gives people a fair shot, but at the same time, it seems there is always something people dislike about it. I guess it is hard to come up with some sort of system that everyone would just be ok with. I have seen people get pretty emotional. Not only at the 4grabs, but also for example about the timing of the elitekeyboards sales etc.

On the one hand, it is understandable. People want to get a chance to buy one. I get it, I'm the same. On the other hand, lets stay friendly to each other, win or lose we are all in the same boat, and there will be other sales.

[WRXChris]

I'm not sure when I was being unfriendly, or what jcrouse seems to think I owe an apology to the community for...

[Grim Fandango]

I'm not sure when I was being unfriendly, or what jcrouse seems to think I owe an apology to the community for...

Did not mean you in particular. Was just talking about the whole situation in general. Was not clear about that.

[WRXChris]

I'm not sure when I was being unfriendly, or what jcrouse seems to think I owe an apology to the community for...

Did not mean you in particular. Was just talking about the whole situation in general. Was not clear about that.

ahh, yes I agree, thanks for the clarification!

[jcrouse]

I'm not sure when I was being unfriendly, or what jcrouse seems to think I owe an apology to the community for...

I was mistaken, misread something and really don't need to be involved in this anymore. It simply isn't constructive at this point. Hopefully it gets there because I believe that was the point of some.