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Offline JPG

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20$ Model F (XT layout)
« on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 15:30:29 »
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Vintage-IBM-Model-F-83Key-Clicky-Keyboard-/380809319801


Shipping to me is like 90$ But maybe it's way better in the US (I hope).


XT layout, but still could be nice to try it.
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 17:06:52 »
$20.8 shipping for me

What;s the rule for items listed for parts? Are they no goes?
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 18:43:59 »
Quote from: Pacifist on Wed, 08 January 2014, 17:06:52
What's the rule for items listed for parts?

If you sell an item on ebay it is assumed to be in proper working condition. If you bought a keyboard with a problem that was not disclosed, you have a legitimate complaint.

However, if you sell something as "not working - for parts or repair" then the buyer must understand that he gets whatever he gets.

Being that the XT will not plug and play on a modern computer, any honest seller would sell it as not working or for parts if he did not have the means to test it.

I would say that the odds are good that it will work, I have bought at least 5 XTs and none were advertised as "tested" or "working".
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 18:46:05 »
Quote from: fohat.digs on Wed, 08 January 2014, 18:43:59
Quote from: Pacifist on Wed, 08 January 2014, 17:06:52
What's the rule for items listed for parts?

If you sell an item on ebay it is assumed to be in proper working condition. If you bought a keyboard with a problem that was not disclosed, you have a legitimate complaint.

However, if you sell something as "not working - for parts or repair" then the buyer must understand that he gets whatever he gets.

Being that the XT will not plug and play on a modern computer, any honest seller would sell it as not working or for parts if he did not have the means to test it.

I would say that the odds are good that it will work, I have bought at least 5 XTs and none were advertised as "tested" or "working".

AGH, my 122 is coming tomorrow. But F switches are better quality than M.
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 18:48:09 »
And it seems to be in decent shape. For 40$, I consider it's worth a try!

I got an XT for 50$ recently and I just can't wait to receive all my parts for a soarer. The keys feel amazing (except for the super heavy spacebar that I will need to mod, but once the mod is done it should be great too!). And since you can remap the keys with a soarer, I really think that the only real troublesome key on the XT layout is the enter. The others are not so bad.
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 19:33:19 »
Quote from: Pacifist on Wed, 08 January 2014, 18:46:05
But F switches are better quality than M.

It is unfortunate that there is no other term than "switches" for use in describing keyboards.

The "switch" component of a buckling spring mechanism is almost incidental in any model - it is just some contacts lying flat on a surface. The actuation is accomplished in such a completely different manner from Cherries, Alps, Hi-Teks, etc, that there should be distinct nomenclature. The "switching" that happens, in a Model M particularly, is really very similar to what happens in a rubber dome keyboard.

To compare the F and the M is to compare the whole of the internal assemblies of the keyboards, anyone who has taken both of these models completely apart will know exactly what I am saying, and anyone who has not will simply not "get it" until they do.

At least that is how I see it.
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That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 19:52:48 »
Well, placed a bid on it. Wish me luck!
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 19:58:47 »
Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 January 2014, 19:52:48
Well, placed a bid on it. Wish me luck!
Maaaaan.

I was watching this before it got posted on GH. Soarer says this'll work with his converter (which is awesome if so) and I've always wanted to get a good look at the controller / guts.

If you take it apart, please take good pictures!
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 19:59:56 »
Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 January 2014, 19:52:48
Well, placed a bid on it. Wish me luck!

Go for the snipe, the SNIPE!!!!

Fohat made a tutorial, just read it and save money!
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 20:04:10 »
Quote from: JPG on Wed, 08 January 2014, 19:59:56
Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 January 2014, 19:52:48
Well, placed a bid on it. Wish me luck!

Go for the snipe, the SNIPE!!!!

Fohat made a tutorial, just read it and save money!

+1

Auctionsniper is awesome

Although the two times I've used it, first no one else bid, and on the second I got beat by a previous bid (u know those people who plop down a ton at the start and no one is able to beat it)
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 20:32:55 »
Quote from: Pacifist on Wed, 08 January 2014, 20:04:10
first no one else bid,

and on the second I got beat by a previous bid (u know those people who plop down a ton at the start and no one is able to beat it)

If there is only 1 bid the item sells at the starting price - snipe or conventional - great for the buyer! Also the reason I never start low when I sell.

Conventional ebay bids go in after all snipes, so any legitimate high bid will take the auction but you can't "re-snipe" in the last nanosecond.

If you are not sniping, blowing the competition away with an early very high ebay bid is an often-used technique for buyers with deep pockets who really want something.
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That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 20:38:15 »
And it doesn't matter if you snipe your own bid, if no one else bids. If I am first, I usually start the bidding to discourage others from trying to get it for starting bid price. :)
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 20:40:50 »
Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 January 2014, 19:52:48
Well, placed a bid on it. Wish me luck!

Regret selling your old one to me? :p
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 20:42:14 »
Quote from: Halverson on Wed, 08 January 2014, 20:40:50
Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 January 2014, 19:52:48
Well, placed a bid on it. Wish me luck!

Regret selling your old one to me? :p

No, only because it's you, Halverson. But otherwise, yes. :)
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Re: 20$ Model F (XT layout)
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 08 January 2014, 21:26:19 »
Quote from: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 January 2014, 20:38:15
I usually start the bidding to discourage others from trying to get it for starting bid price.

I don't think that helps much. I have won several things at a dollar or 2 over start bid as the 2nd bidder. Put in a snipe at $2-$5 over start as a "lowball" way to be in the game.
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"However, even though I was born in the Mesozoic, I do know what anyone who wants to reach out to young people should say: Billionaires took your money. They took your chance to buy a home. They took your chance at a good education. They stole your opportunities. Billionaires took the things you want in life. If you really want those things, you have to take them back.
That's the message. That's the whole message. Say that every day, not just to reach America's frustrated young white men, but people of every age, race, and gender.
Late-stage capitalism is a wealth-concentration engine, focused on vacuuming up every dollar and putting it in as few hands as possible. Republicans are helping that vacuum suck.
How does a tiny fraction of the population get away with this? They do it by dividing the other 99% of Americans against themselves."
- Marc Sumner 2025-05-30
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