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Offline BlueBär

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Pravetz KBD-8A
« on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 08:58:22 »
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So I recently got this keyboard from Ebay after somebody posted it here. The keyboard stems from a Pravetz 8A computer, which is from what I understand the Bulgarian counterpart of the Apple IIe. The 8A was build between '86 and '88. If you want more information about it here's what I have found: http://www.pravetz.info/pravetz-8a.html

When it arrived it was extremly dirty and the keycaps were in a disgusting condition. For those who never bought an old keyboard, the first step is usually to put the keycaps in some warm water with dental tablets. They didn't really help this time and I had scrub each keycap - in hindisght that was a good decision since the legends are engraved. The keycaps are not doubleshot and probably ABS. They have a slightly spherical profile and feel very solid.

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Here's a picture of the spacebar stabilizer, it's a bit squeaky and needs some lube/grease. It's actually not as angled as it seems on this photo.

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The keyboard features some cross-stem switches (not MX compatible), most of them with black housings, but with some brown and beige housings as well. The switch on the spacebar has a grey stem and feels heavier, but I couldn't feel a difference between the different housing colors, I don't think they make a difference. I don't know what exactly that is on top of the grey stem but it didn't come off. The enter key is the only key that uses two switches.

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Now to the switches. As you can see the switches are secured with some screws on the PCB. I don't think there's an option to plate mount these switches.

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From the outside you can already see the most important part of the switch, the reed switch. Opening a switch is not as easy as you would think, there's a part of the housing molten so that it doesn't open without scraping a bit of the molten part away. Hard to explain, but worse than glue. There's also an additional tiny copper pin that goes through a tiny hole to prevent opening it as well. If you noticed, one of the legs to fix the switch on the PCB broke off :-X

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The switch inside is quite simple, a magnet is attached to the slider and goes next to the reed switch when the key is pressed. A reed switch works with two very small metal plates that connect when a magnet is brought nearby. The slider itself only hits the bottom of the housing, it's not really clear on the photos.

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And that's it! Here, have a typing video:

« Last Edit: Tue, 28 January 2014, 09:01:57 by BlueBär »

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Re: Pravetz KBD-8A
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 12:18:29 »
What do those switches feel like BlueBar? Are they linear? Close to hall effect maybe?

Thanks for the great pictures and the disassembly of everything! :D

Edit: The cap profile on those is really weird and cool too. But boo to engraved caps lol. Dirt magnet :(.
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Re: Pravetz KBD-8A
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 12:24:23 »
Yes, they are linear, not as smooth and heavier in comparison to the hall effects I once tried, but they came in a really dirty condition so cleaning every switch inside should make them a bit smoother. I also thought about lubing them.

The cap profile feels very nice, but yeah the engraving might become a dirt trap after a while. I don't mind that too much, cleaning them isn't too bad, it doesn't have that many caps ;)
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Re: Pravetz KBD-8A
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 13:14:25 »
Yes, they are linear, not as smooth and heavier in comparison to the hall effects I once tried, but they came in a really dirty condition so cleaning every switch inside should make them a bit smoother. I also thought about lubing them.

Hm, well do you plan on converting it so it's usable? I think it'd be worth it to lube them if you are going to use it.

The cap profile feels very nice, but yeah the engraving might become a dirt trap after a while. I don't mind that too much, cleaning them isn't too bad, it doesn't have that many caps ;)

Hehe yeah, that layout is pretty cool.

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Re: Pravetz KBD-8A
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 28 January 2014, 13:28:10 »
Hm, well do you plan on converting it so it's usable? I think it'd be worth it to lube them if you are going to use it.

I'm not really sure yet, but I would really like to. However I would like to replace the springs as well then and I don't know if I could get some springs that would fit.

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Re: Pravetz KBD-8A
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 04:59:28 »
It looks nice! :))

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Re: Pravetz KBD-8A
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 30 January 2014, 05:00:06 »
It looks nice! :))

It is nice, isn't it!

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Re: Pravetz KBD-8A
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 05 February 2014, 07:12:38 »
Nice stuff u got there, any plan to make it work with PC? A teensy hack maybe?
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Re: Pravetz KBD-8A
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 05 February 2014, 07:29:57 »
Cool find with nice pics!

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Re: Pravetz KBD-8A
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 05 February 2014, 08:30:32 »
Nice stuff u got there, any plan to make it work with PC? A teensy hack maybe?

I would like to, yes. However I would also like new springs for it and I don't know where I could get some.