Author Topic: I received my 122 Key IBM Model F terminal keyboard today... god damn it... (Read 3351 times)

RoflCopter4 · « **on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 19:58:03 »

0100010 · « **Reply #1 on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 20:05:19 »

Get an older Model M 122 with the same shape case and convert it for use on your F 122.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49313.0

Touch_It · « **Reply #2 on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 20:10:32 »

With insurance do you keep the item but get reimbursed, or does the keyboard go bye-bye? That would be a terrible shame if it did. I'd imagine super glue or epoxy as far as repair vs. replace.

RoflCopter4 · « **Reply #3 on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 20:56:31 »

Quote from: 0100010 on Tue, 25 November 2014, 20:05:19

Get an older Model M 122 with the same shape case and convert it for use on your F 122.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49313.0

That may be a good idea if superglue turns out not to work.

Quote from: Touch_It on Tue, 25 November 2014, 20:10:32

With insurance do you keep the item but get reimbursed, or does the keyboard go bye-bye? That would be a terrible shame if it did. I'd imagine super glue or epoxy as far as repair vs. replace.

No clue. I've never claimed insurance on a shipment before. I'll discuss it with the seller. Hopefully the shipping company covers some of the cost and I keep the keyboard. Hopefully.

dorkvader · « **Reply #4 on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 21:28:37 »

I would just use it without the case top.

if you do get a M122 make sure it has the two stage feet. There were ones made with the larger upper shell and small feet that are not compatible with model F.

I believe you will have to do a little modding anyway but it shouldn't be too bad.

nubbinator · « **Reply #5 on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 21:34:04 »

Quote from: RoflCopter4 on Tue, 25 November 2014, 19:58:03

@#$% my life.

http://imgur.com/a/lMbIz

Do people seriously not know how to ship or something? Even if that got to me in one piece, I'd be beyond pissed if someone shipped to me in a cardboard box with some ****ty tissue paper as the only packaging material. Where's the bubble wrap or packing foam? Where the air packets or wadded up paper? That's how you pack a gift bag, it's not how you pack a package you're shipping.

Good luck with the insurance claim. If you got it on eBay you may be able to get your money back if you don't get the claim processed and sent to you.

dorkvader · « **Reply #6 on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 21:40:36 »

If he charged you anything for shipping I would take off some stars.

With shipping insurance claims they are handled by the shipper (except COD but nobody does that anymore). The receiver doesn't do anything. I would contact the seller, tell them about the shipping damage, tell them to file a shipping insurance claim with the shipping company and then give you a partial refund in compensation.

RoflCopter4 · « **Reply #7 on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 21:43:45 »

Quote from: nubbinator on Tue, 25 November 2014, 21:34:04

Quote from: RoflCopter4 on Tue, 25 November 2014, 19:58:03
@#$% my life.

http://imgur.com/a/lMbIz

Do people seriously not know how to ship or something? Even if that got to me in one piece, I'd be beyond pissed if someone shipped to me in a cardboard box with some ****ty tissue paper as the only packaging material. Where's the bubble wrap or packing foam? Where the air packets or wadded up paper? That's how you pack a gift bag, it's not how you pack a package you're shipping.

Good luck with the insurance claim. If you got it on eBay you may be able to get your money back if you don't get the claim processed and sent to you.

To be totally fair there was actually this much tissue paper in the box. Not that I'm really arguing. Clearly tissue paper is not enough for something as notoriously brittle as this.

http://i.imgur.com/zwxdGmI.jpg

E TwentyNine · « **Reply #8 on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 22:34:39 »

Quote from: RoflCopter4 on Tue, 25 November 2014, 21:43:45

To be totally fair there was actually this much tissue paper in the box. Not that I'm really arguing. Clearly tissue paper is not enough for something as notoriously brittle as this.

http://i.imgur.com/zwxdGmI.jpg

Tissue paper is fine for lightweight items, but crap for something heavy. Should have been bubble wrap. If it was packaged by the seller insurance will likely not cover squat due to the improper packaging.

Apart from the suggestions above about getting an old M122 case, this sort of thing is easy to fix. Two part epoxy should glue that up fine, and you could also get epoxy putty to handle small gaps.

Do think you're due something back from the seller, but I wouldn't go leaving negative feedback before you've discussed things a bit.

RoflCopter4 · « **Reply #9 on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 23:05:33 »

Quote from: E TwentyNine on Tue, 25 November 2014, 22:34:39

Quote from: RoflCopter4 on Tue, 25 November 2014, 21:43:45
To be totally fair there was actually this much tissue paper in the box. Not that I'm really arguing. Clearly tissue paper is not enough for something as notoriously brittle as this.

http://i.imgur.com/zwxdGmI.jpg

Tissue paper is fine for lightweight items, but crap for something heavy. Should have been bubble wrap. If it was packaged by the seller insurance will likely not cover squat due to the improper packaging.

Apart from the suggestions above about getting an old M122 case, this sort of thing is easy to fix. Two part epoxy should glue that up fine, and you could also get epoxy putty to handle small gaps.

Do think you're due something back from the seller, but I wouldn't go leaving negative feedback before you've discussed things a bit.

Yeah, the packaging was surprisingly poor, but the damage isn't extensive. I'm typing on the keyboard right now.

On an unrelated note, considering most of these keycaps are now labelled wrongly, is it possible to just replace them? Do people sell replacement buckling spring keycaps?

Touch_It · « **Reply #10 on:** Tue, 25 November 2014, 23:07:29 »

Unicomp does.

Unicomp.com

jacobolus · « **Reply #11 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 02:30:17 »

I recommend ANSI-modding and using the keycaps from an old 101-key Model M.

gr1618 · « **Reply #12 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 11:57:03 »

fohat.digs · « **Reply #13 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 11:57:17 »

I feel your pain, that has happened to me.

But, if you are man enough, just go naked:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62781.msg1469919#msg1469919

Computer-Lab in Basement · « **Reply #14 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 12:04:30 »

I agree with nubbs. This is entirely the sellers fault for doing such a ****ty packing job.

Open an eBay dispute or whatever...

Lurch · « **Reply #15 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 12:06:57 »

Quote from: nubbinator on Tue, 25 November 2014, 21:34:04

Quote from: RoflCopter4 on Tue, 25 November 2014, 19:58:03
@#$% my life.

http://imgur.com/a/lMbIz

Do people seriously not know how to ship or something? Even if that got to me in one piece, I'd be beyond pissed if someone shipped to me in a cardboard box with some ****ty tissue paper as the only packaging material. Where's the bubble wrap or packing foam? Where the air packets or wadded up paper? That's how you pack a gift bag, it's not how you pack a package you're shipping.

This x1000. This has happened to me before, but luckily, the contents of the package made it in one piece. Regardless, insufficient packaging material when shipping anything is completely unacceptable. Everyone in this community appreciates a carefully packaged shipment, especially when containing something they might have been searching for a long time.

Puddsy · « **Reply #16 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 12:10:32 »

It's like... $5 for a roll of bubble wrap that'll last you for 5 reasonably large packages

just charge an extra dollar and save yourself some trouble...

RoflCopter4 · « **Reply #17 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 17:46:24 »

I've never done more invasive surgery on a keyboard than just removing it's keycaps. Going from removing keycaps to a total transplant seems somewhat of a jump...

rowdy · « **Reply #18 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 18:39:25 »

Quote from: RoflCopter4 on Wed, 26 November 2014, 17:46:24

I've never done more invasive surgery on a keyboard than just removing it's keycaps. Going from removing keycaps to a total transplant seems somewhat of a jump...

If it's only replacing the case, it shouldn't be that big a job. And there are lots of people here who can help you with illustrations and tips and tricks.

0100010 · « **Reply #19 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 18:52:05 »

wcass thread on the subject : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45089.0

DzyDzyDino · « **Reply #20 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 19:22:49 »

Just looking at that box and that packing job makes me want to punch things. Seriously. "This thing weighs roughly as much as a bowling ball. Let's throw some tissue paper in a thin cardboard box and call it a day."

berserkfan · « **Reply #21 on:** Wed, 26 November 2014, 23:58:43 »

Go read Fohat's threads on this topic. He's the Hero who goes naked... I don't quite want to look though.

mougrim · « **Reply #22 on:** Thu, 27 November 2014, 05:01:41 »

Most ****ty packaging job I seen.

When I got my F, it was:

a) Bubble-wrapped
b) In a big box full of this packaging "cereals", dunno how they called.

snoopy · « **Reply #23 on:** Thu, 27 November 2014, 05:18:28 »

dude... made exactly three days before my birthday.

RIP

katushkin · « **Reply #24 on:** Thu, 27 November 2014, 05:22:02 »

Deduct points on feedback for sure. He should have cocooned that board in miles of bubble wrap, especially if he charged you for shipping (and for a half ton keyboard, who wouldn't).

But at least it still works? Just go naked

dorkvader · « **Reply #25 on:** Thu, 27 November 2014, 09:03:59 »

Quote from: mougrim on Thu, 27 November 2014, 05:01:41

Most ****ty packaging job I seen.

When I got my F, it was:

a) Bubble-wrapped
b) In a big box full of this packaging "cereals", dunno how they called.

packing peanuts.

Same thing for my cortron board. The solenoid had it's own bit of cardboard protecting it, then there was cardboard, then bubblewrap them it was in a box almost completely full of packing peanuts. Hard to believe they only charged $12 for shipping.

as far as poor packing, IIRC there was one GHer in Brazil who got an extremely poorly wrapped board.

mougrim · « **Reply #26 on:** Thu, 27 November 2014, 09:14:43 »

Quote from: dorkvader on Thu, 27 November 2014, 09:03:59

Quote from: mougrim on Thu, 27 November 2014, 05:01:41
Most ****ty packaging job I seen.

When I got my F, it was:

a) Bubble-wrapped
b) In a big box full of this packaging "cereals", dunno how they called.

packing peanuts.

Same thing for my cortron board. The solenoid had it's own bit of cardboard protecting it, then there was cardboard, then bubblewrap them it was in a box almost completely full of packing peanuts. Hard to believe they only charged $12 for shipping.

as far as poor packing, IIRC there was one GHer in Brazil who got an extremely poorly wrapped board.

Well, I bought my board from a fellow GHer who personally restored and ISO-modded it. And he cared. But about those fellas from ebay.... 2/3 of them just heard we crazy geeks pay a lot of money for old boards. Point.

fohat.digs · « **Reply #27 on:** Thu, 27 November 2014, 09:59:48 »

There are, however, a few factors that make the F-122s particularly hard to ship.

They are particularly heavy, for one, and the plastic is particularly brittle, for another. Also, those front corners are unusually weak by design and easily stressed.

I suspect that most modern plastic keyboards would have survived the blow that shattered the corner of this behemoth.

But that is just all the more reason to pack well. And, just personally, I wouldn't expend nearly as much energy packing a $15 keyboard as I would a $100 specimen.

hwood34 · « **Reply #28 on:** Thu, 27 November 2014, 10:54:18 »

Geez, that sucks man. At least the fix is as easy as some glue or a new case, it could be worse

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Author Topic: I received my 122 Key IBM Model F terminal keyboard today... god damn it... (Read 3351 times)