MX Greens: a couple questions

[macguy80]

1. Are they even more fatiguing than mx clears if you bottom out? If so, does the click make the tactile point easier to hit without bottoming out?

2. In the switch tester I have, I notice that the green switch's click is (A) more pronounced and tactile (B) louder and (C) not *quite* as high-pitched, as the blue switch. Are these inherent differences between greens and blues, or is this just a good example of normal variation between switches?

Thanks!

[Steezus]

Greens are just Blues with heavier springs. The actuation force is much higher than clears so if you're not use to the heavier springs than it can be quite fatiguing at first.

[macguy80]

Ah, ok! I thought they might just be clicky clears, but if they're even stiffer, I'll cross them off my list and go back to my Model M, which, despite being heavy, I can type on for MUCH longer periods than my clears.

[Steezus]

Ah, ok! I thought they might just be clicky clears, but if they're even stiffer, I'll cross them off my list and go back to my Model M, which, despite being heavy, I can type on for MUCH longer periods than my clears.

Greens are the closest to buckling springs, they're ever so slightly lighter to actuate. Greens actuation is 80cN and BS is 90cN.

[falkentyne]

1. Are they even more fatiguing than mx clears if you bottom out? If so, does the click make the tactile point easier to hit without bottoming out?

2. In the switch tester I have, I notice that the green switch's click is (A) more pronounced and tactile (B) louder and (C) not *quite* as high-pitched, as the blue switch. Are these inherent differences between greens and blues, or is this just a good example of normal variation between switches?

Thanks!

MY PRECCCCCCCCCIOOOOOOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

My Ducky Shine fire 69 edition with MX GREENS for the letter and MX blues for the mods (and then clears, reds, greys, you name it, for other keys).

Until I got my Ducky Year of the Goat and Ducky Shine 5, I used the Fire 69 as a daily GAMING and typing driver for a year.  It's not fatiguing at ALL unless your hands get cold.

Fun fact: they're not much different than clears on the enemy of finger muscles scale.
The actuation point where you feel the tactile bump and the click slider, actually has higher CN force than the spring resistance right behind it!  So most of the resistance is from bypassing the tactile bump itself.  Then it 'buckles' in, in a way, to a lighter resistance, and only exceeds the tactile original force, at the bottom out point.  so the bump/click point itself requires 80cn to bypass, then drops off and gets lighter, then heavier again.  Blues function the same way.  So if you're into clears, greens should not be hard to adjust to.

The IBM selectric II seemed to function in a strangely similar way, just far more elegantly and more pleasant, as if your hand were being guided by a beautiful Asian woman with a nice butt and slim stomach.

Now, Tactile Greys, on the other hand...tactile greys are for those very few, rare special humanoids who think that MX clears are TOO LIGHT.

[chyros]

Ah, ok! I thought they might just be clicky clears, but if they're even stiffer, I'll cross them off my list and go back to my Model M, which, despite being heavy, I can type on for MUCH longer periods than my clears.

Greens are the closest to buckling springs, they're ever so slightly lighter to actuate. Greens actuation is 80cN and BS is 90cN.

To actuate? No. BS is 65-70 gf ~ cN.

[Steezus]

Ah, ok! I thought they might just be clicky clears, but if they're even stiffer, I'll cross them off my list and go back to my Model M, which, despite being heavy, I can type on for MUCH longer periods than my clears.

Greens are the closest to buckling springs, they're ever so slightly lighter to actuate. Greens actuation is 80cN and BS is 90cN.

To actuate? No. BS is 65-70 gf ~ cN.

The Cherry MX Green is both a tactile and a clicky switch. You can both feel the tactile bump and hear the "click" that occurs when the activation point is hit. Due to the actuation force needed (80 cN), the switch feels similar to a buckling spring (which takes about 90 cN force to actuate)

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green

[chyros]

Ah, ok! I thought they might just be clicky clears, but if they're even stiffer, I'll cross them off my list and go back to my Model M, which, despite being heavy, I can type on for MUCH longer periods than my clears.

Greens are the closest to buckling springs, they're ever so slightly lighter to actuate. Greens actuation is 80cN and BS is 90cN.

To actuate? No. BS is 65-70 gf ~ cN.

The Cherry MX Green is both a tactile and a clicky switch. You can both feel the tactile bump and hear the "click" that occurs when the activation point is hit. Due to the actuation force needed (80 cN), the switch feels similar to a buckling spring (which takes about 90 cN force to actuate)

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green

Well, sorry, but that's not correct . You can check the official force chart (or the DT article on BS) if you don't believe me .

Apparently the user who added it, Comradekeys, is not registered at DT and it's his only edit. Worse, he didn't cite any proof for either claim.

[Steezus]

Ah, ok! I thought they might just be clicky clears, but if they're even stiffer, I'll cross them off my list and go back to my Model M, which, despite being heavy, I can type on for MUCH longer periods than my clears.

Greens are the closest to buckling springs, they're ever so slightly lighter to actuate. Greens actuation is 80cN and BS is 90cN.

To actuate? No. BS is 65-70 gf ~ cN.

The Cherry MX Green is both a tactile and a clicky switch. You can both feel the tactile bump and hear the "click" that occurs when the activation point is hit. Due to the actuation force needed (80 cN), the switch feels similar to a buckling spring (which takes about 90 cN force to actuate)

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green

Well, sorry, but that's not correct . You can check the official force chart (or the DT article on BS) if you don't believe me .

Apparently the user who added it, Comradekeys, is not registered at DT and it's his only edit. Worse, he didn't cite any proof for either claim.

Deskthority has failed me, I know how trust issues.

[macguy80]

Deskthority as failed me, I know how trust issues.

I guess this proves that not everything at DT is "Deskthoritative"

Sorry guys, couldn't resist a bad pun!

[Vittra]

1. Are they even more fatiguing than mx clears if you bottom out? If so, does the click make the tactile point easier to hit without bottoming out?

2. In the switch tester I have, I notice that the green switch's click is (A) more pronounced and tactile (B) louder and (C) not *quite* as high-pitched, as the blue switch. Are these inherent differences between greens and blues, or is this just a good example of normal variation between switches?

Thanks!

MY PRECCCCCCCCCIOOOOOOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

My Ducky Shine fire 69 edition with MX GREENS for the letter and MX blues for the mods (and then clears, reds, greys, you name it, for other keys).

Until I got my Ducky Year of the Goat and Ducky Shine 5, I used the Fire 69 as a daily GAMING and typing driver for a year.  It's not fatiguing at ALL unless your hands get cold.

Fun fact: they're not much different than clears on the enemy of finger muscles scale.
The actuation point where you feel the tactile bump and the click slider, actually has higher CN force than the spring resistance right behind it!  So most of the resistance is from bypassing the tactile bump itself.  Then it 'buckles' in, in a way, to a lighter resistance, and only exceeds the tactile original force, at the bottom out point.  so the bump/click point itself requires 80cn to bypass, then drops off and gets lighter, then heavier again.  Blues function the same way.  So if you're into clears, greens should not be hard to adjust to.

The IBM selectric II seemed to function in a strangely similar way, just far more elegantly and more pleasant, as if your hand were being guided by a beautiful Asian woman with a nice butt and slim stomach.

Now, Tactile Greys, on the other hand...tactile greys are for those very few, rare special humanoids who think that MX clears are TOO LIGHT.

[chyros]

Ah, ok! I thought they might just be clicky clears, but if they're even stiffer, I'll cross them off my list and go back to my Model M, which, despite being heavy, I can type on for MUCH longer periods than my clears.

Greens are the closest to buckling springs, they're ever so slightly lighter to actuate. Greens actuation is 80cN and BS is 90cN.

To actuate? No. BS is 65-70 gf ~ cN.

The Cherry MX Green is both a tactile and a clicky switch. You can both feel the tactile bump and hear the "click" that occurs when the activation point is hit. Due to the actuation force needed (80 cN), the switch feels similar to a buckling spring (which takes about 90 cN force to actuate)

http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Green

Well, sorry, but that's not correct . You can check the official force chart (or the DT article on BS) if you don't believe me .

Apparently the user who added it, Comradekeys, is not registered at DT and it's his only edit. Worse, he didn't cite any proof for either claim.

Deskthority as failed me, I know how trust issues.

Well force amounts are a tricky business to begin with, we have nowhere near as many force curves as we'd all like to I'm sure. Some people including me have measured actuation/tactile forces, but of course you're always dependent on the switches' condition (and you need to do mass tests) so it's not always reliable. IBM BS is one of the few we do have the official chart of, though xD .

[Jokrik]

1. Are they even more fatiguing than mx clears if you bottom out? If so, does the click make the tactile point easier to hit without bottoming out?

2. In the switch tester I have, I notice that the green switch's click is (A) more pronounced and tactile (B) louder and (C) not *quite* as high-pitched, as the blue switch. Are these inherent differences between greens and blues, or is this just a good example of normal variation between switches?

Thanks!

MY PRECCCCCCCCCIOOOOOOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

My Ducky Shine fire 69 edition with MX GREENS for the letter and MX blues for the mods (and then clears, reds, greys, you name it, for other keys).

Until I got my Ducky Year of the Goat and Ducky Shine 5, I used the Fire 69 as a daily GAMING and typing driver for a year.  It's not fatiguing at ALL unless your hands get cold.

Fun fact: they're not much different than clears on the enemy of finger muscles scale.
The actuation point where you feel the tactile bump and the click slider, actually has higher CN force than the spring resistance right behind it!  So most of the resistance is from bypassing the tactile bump itself.  Then it 'buckles' in, in a way, to a lighter resistance, and only exceeds the tactile original force, at the bottom out point.  so the bump/click point itself requires 80cn to bypass, then drops off and gets lighter, then heavier again.  Blues function the same way.  So if you're into clears, greens should not be hard to adjust to.

The IBM selectric II seemed to function in a strangely similar way, just far more elegantly and more pleasant, as if your hand were being guided by a beautiful Asian woman with a nice butt and slim stomach.

Now, Tactile Greys, on the other hand...tactile greys are for those very few, rare special humanoids who think that MX clears are TOO LIGHT.

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Hahaha, I game a lot with MX greens in the past, but I sold the board
thinking to assemble one with greens, it's amazingly very clicky due to heavier springs

[klennkellon]

Ah, ok! I thought they might just be clicky clears, but if they're even stiffer, I'll cross them off my list and go back to my Model M, which, despite being heavy, I can type on for MUCH longer periods than my clears.

Greens are the closest to buckling springs, they're ever so slightly lighter to actuate. Greens actuation is 80cN and BS is 90cN.

I would actually like to argue and say that Complicated White ALPS are closest to buckling springs.

But if you were trying to say that MX Greens are the closest Cherry Switch to BS, you are correct.

[Connly33]

Next board i do will be green's, I i love blues but they are too light for me, i'm loving clears, but i want a nice clicky board too.

[fohat.digs]

Jailhousing greens is the solution to all your requests: high actuation point, shorter throw, etc. Add O-rings for top performance.

[rowdy]

To me clears are heavier than greens.

I bottom out all the time on all keyboards I have, except clears.  Clears I only bottom out about 90% of the time (without making any special effort to bottom out or not).