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Offline crusader_alex

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 26 July 2019, 05:54:18 »
QUESTION: did GMK actually make the correct mold for the W/ς key? AFAIR (though I could be wrong), back when the Greek Olivetti set was in the design stage, they did NOT have it (and had the very, very incorrect W/Ç keycap mold instead). If this IC goes to GB, this NEEDS to be tended to, so as not to hit buyers (either Greeks, or with OCD, or Greeks with OCD) with an unpleasant surprise.


Besides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing `¬ 2" 3£ keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.

Yeah all the molds are fixed,GMK themselves confirmed that.As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.I will release an update soon with fixes in the kits and some more renders.Thanks for your feedback!

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 27 July 2019, 13:32:43 »
Besides this, please review the ISO support in the base kit. As it stands now, the mods (left Shift and ISO Enter) are fine, but the alphas are in that weird space in between US ISO and UK ISO, without actually fulfilling either set. There are two solutions to this: go ahead with full UK ISO support (adding the missing `¬ 2" 3£ keys in R1) or scale back to US ISO support (replacing the two R3 '@ #~ keys with a single R3 \| key). I'd go with the latter, but WDIKAA.

As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.I will release an update soon with fixes in the kits and some more renders.Thanks for your feedback!
Awesome to hear this, ISO UK keys mean a lot to me  :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 27 July 2019, 13:54:28 »
As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.

I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 27 July 2019, 13:56:29 »
As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.

I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 27 July 2019, 14:03:07 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 28 July 2019, 01:59:44 »
As for the ISO support i will review it and i will add the remaining keys to the base.

I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.

Has someone every made a comparison for that ? Whats the real price difference with adding these keys?

Same for Numpad ...

Would apriciate the 4 iso uk keys - and even Numpad in base. 

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #56 on: Sun, 28 July 2019, 04:46:11 »
I'd advise against adding ISO-UK, baseline ISO support (4 keys) will help reduce the cost of the base kit.

Has someone every made a comparison for that ? Whats the real price difference with adding these keys?

Check the “On the availability of ISO” thread in the main Keyboards section of the forums.

I didn't quite get the whole argument across in my previous post, my bad. It's not just that adding full ISO-UK support increases the cost of the base kit by some $5–$10, but it also doesn't offer any substantial benefits over baseline ISO support for most users.

Another facet of the argument is: why is ISO-UK special and why should it be preferred over other ISO layouts with a similar number of extra keys and similar number of users joining GBs? The argument of “that's how it's usually been done in the past” isn't really valid, and is rightfully being brought into question now.

These and some other points are why baseline ISO support (4 keys) is a good compromise for most sets.
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 28 July 2019, 06:34:54 »
Nice set! A must buy for me.  :D

Also second spacebar kit. Or gimme a hint on the color here so I can snag a spacebar kit from some other set  :p

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 31 July 2019, 17:33:59 »
A small update:

So after gathering some data i am updating/changing some of the kits.

The base kit is now featuring the mixed greek legends (please ingnore the barred keys in the render)




Now that means that i can cut down on kits making MOQ much easier to hit across everything.That said i know that these legends are not everyones cup of tea so i'd like to request that you take the time to
tell me what you prefer here:

https://www.strawpoll.me/18406295




Here are some new renders:













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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 31 July 2019, 17:50:02 »
A small update:

So after gathering some data i am updating/changing some of the kits.

The base kit is now featuring the mixed greek legends (please ingnore the barred keys in the render)

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Now that means that i can cut down on kits making MOQ much easier to hit across everything.That said i know that these legends are not everyones cup of tea so i'd like to request that you take the time to
tell me what you prefer here:

https://www.strawpoll.me/18406295
Not so keen on sublegends, but probably not a deal breaker for me.

Is the plan still to add the rest of ISO UK?

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 31 July 2019, 18:08:03 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 31 July 2019, 18:11:50 »
A small update:

So after gathering some data i am updating/changing some of the kits.


…i'd like to request that you take the time to tell me what you prefer here:



I have only one criticism regarding the chosen keys:

PLEASE correct the ISO support. Right now, you're doing "Atlantis ISO" (incomplete support for both US ISO and UK ISO — the set is "halfway" to either side of the pond), which is the worst option. *I* (obdis.: YMMV, NMCTM, WDIKAA) would go with US ISO support, which will require adding the R3 \| key and dropping the R3 #~ and '@ keys from the latest kit.


Other comments:

- I absolutely dig having both sets of colors for the arrows. Knowing myself, I'll probably use one of them in a mix-and-match keyboard with some other kit.

- Is split space bar support a possibility?

- I'd like the set even better if the alphas used the brown color instead of the ochre tone, but I know that this is strictly subjective and not my call to make at all.
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 31 July 2019, 22:34:07 »
I can't help but feel disappointed with the merging of Greek legends, but I totally understand.
I voted for Latin only. Fingers crossed that this set gets enough interest to warrant two separate sets.
Hopefully the poll will give a clearer picture.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 01 August 2019, 03:26:36 »
I love this design, looks really elegant!

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #64 on: Thu, 01 August 2019, 07:02:23 »
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?

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I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.

Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D

I agree with Lightning in not using double Latin-legends. I think this way looks much cleaner and more interesting.
+1 to R5 as well
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #65 on: Thu, 01 August 2019, 07:59:52 »
I much prefer the merged alphas in the core kit, but that is personnal. I would like to see a render with the alpha legend switched to the modifiers' red as it as been mentioned earlier in the post, just to see how it looks.

Other than that, I'm in, as I already stated :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 01 August 2019, 08:26:03 »
Wow, nice colorway!

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #67 on: Thu, 01 August 2019, 16:28:36 »
There's not much point in having 1800 compat (R1 End, PgDn) separate from the numpad. Please move it to the numpad kit.

Your TKL mod legends are a bit inconsistent (PrtSc yet Pause/Break, Scroll Lock etc.). I suggest going with Print, Scroll, Pause, Caps, Num for a uniform one-line look across the board. These legends also fit the set's name better imo: Spartan — something that is simple, austere and very straight to the point.

Personally, I'd also remove the stepped R3 Control as I think having the non-stepped version is enough.

Finally, consider adding extended 65% compat (R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn) to the base kit for all of us 65%/75% users who like different right columns or use split Backspace.

All of this still stands. Moving R1 End, PgDn to the numpad kit and adding R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to the base kit in their place especially makes a lot of sense.

And yes, drop the faux ISO-UK support (R3 '@, #~) and add a R3 \| instead.
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 01 August 2019, 16:36:51 »
There's not much point in having 1800 compat (R1 End, PgDn) separate from the numpad. Please move it to the numpad kit.

Your TKL mod legends are a bit inconsistent (PrtSc yet Pause/Break, Scroll Lock etc.). I suggest going with Print, Scroll, Pause, Caps, Num for a uniform one-line look across the board. These legends also fit the set's name better imo: Spartan — something that is simple, austere and very straight to the point.

Personally, I'd also remove the stepped R3 Control as I think having the non-stepped version is enough.

Finally, consider adding extended 65% compat (R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn) to the base kit for all of us 65%/75% users who like different right columns or use split Backspace.

All of this still stands. Moving R1 End, PgDn to the numpad kit and adding R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to the base kit in their place especially makes a lot of sense.

And yes, drop the faux ISO-UK support (R3 '@, #~) and add a R3 \| instead.

orrr add real ISO UK support (R1 `¬, 2", 3£)   ;) ;)

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 01 August 2019, 16:42:06 »
orrr add real ISO UK support (R1 `¬, 2", 3£)   ;) ;)

That's a valid option too (albeit one I wouldn't recommend) :D As long as it isn't neither here nor there.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 05 August 2019, 06:44:13 »
I already beat you to the GMK usc. Nice try.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 05 August 2019, 07:50:17 »
GMK ASU Frat .....jk looks good.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #73 on: Sat, 10 August 2019, 05:18:55 »
Another update

After hearing your feedback i believe i have finalized the kits

Updated kits

Base:



Numpad:





There have been a fair amount of changes here

First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
Another notable change is the removal of the 1800 support from the base because as some people noted there is no support without the numpad anyway and therefore the required keys have been moved to the numpad kit.Additionally the MENU key has been changed to FN.Last but not least an R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn have been added.

I am also happy to announce that Daily Clack will be our Oceania proxy for this set.

Now things to do:

1)Submit the new kits to GMK for pricing

2)Work out GB dates

3) Collabs (?)


As always thank you for supporting this set and i hope we can make it a reality!

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #74 on: Sat, 10 August 2019, 06:37:07 »
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.

But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.

All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.

All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 10 August 2019, 07:02:31 »
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.

But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.

All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.

All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:

Yes i suppose i phrased that quite poorly.What i am basically doing here is offering the basic ISO support that many other sets have offered in the past but i might look into the change you mentioned,if a number of ISO users request it that is.Thanks for your feedback!

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #76 on: Sat, 10 August 2019, 08:07:07 »
First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.

But... "having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them" is exactly what you're doing now. As of this update, you have R3 #~ (UK only) and R4 \| (US+UK), but are not adding the rest of the keys needed for full UK support.

All you need to do is to replace R3 #~ with R3 \| and you'll have baseline ISO support without omissions.

All the other changes are perfect, though. :thumb:

Yes i suppose i phrased that quite poorly.What i am basically doing here is offering the basic ISO support that many other sets have offered in the past but i might look into the change you mentioned,if a number of ISO users request it that is.Thanks for your feedback!

Yeah, many sets in the past got it wrong (and in various degrees, to boot) — that's why I and a few others are working raise awareness and ensure those mistakes won't be repeated; after all, we all want our keycap sets to be perfect! :)

You may want to look at the way oblotzky does his sets: basic ISO support in the base kit, by adding four keys (short left Shift, mod-colored Enter, R3 \| and R4 \|) or five (those four plus an accent-Colored ISO Enter).
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #77 on: Sat, 10 August 2019, 13:57:55 »
Shame about the ISO, but I understand the decision.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 10 August 2019, 17:21:01 »
Is there any chance for adding split space bar support? Personally, would be cool to have.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 10 August 2019, 18:00:00 »
no 1800 support on a kit with num pad?? nvm i'm blind

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 10 August 2019, 19:31:08 »
Is there any chance for adding split space bar support? Personally, would be cool to have.

Unfortunately a spacebar kit will not be a thing most likely,it would make the number of kits pretty high making it signifcantly harder to hit moq in all of them

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #81 on: Sat, 10 August 2019, 21:16:45 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #82 on: Sun, 11 August 2019, 00:24:16 »
May I suggest not using doubled Latin-legends on the Greek sublegend kit?

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I think that, while duplicate legends bring uniformity to the alphas, they're a bit superfluous.

Also, can I suggest R5 bottom row? :D

I agree with Lightning in not using double Latin-legends. I think this way looks much cleaner and more interesting.
+1 to R5 as well

+1 to the not using double latin legends and r5
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #83 on: Sun, 11 August 2019, 00:32:40 »
Sick set. I would be interested in an Greek Only Alpha set tho.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #84 on: Sun, 11 August 2019, 03:02:28 »
Looking forward to this set! Love the greek alphas

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #85 on: Sun, 11 August 2019, 03:44:41 »
Is there any chance for adding split space bar support? Personally, would be cool to have.

Unfortunately a spacebar kit will not be a thing most likely,it would make the number of kits pretty high making it signifcantly harder to hit moq in all of them

Alright, not a deal breaker by any means. Definitely still in :D

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #86 on: Sun, 11 August 2019, 19:02:03 »
Another update

After hearing your feedback i believe i have finalized the kits

Updated kits

[...]

There have been a fair amount of changes here

First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
Another notable change is the removal of the 1800 support from the base because as some people noted there is no support without the numpad anyway and therefore the required keys have been moved to the numpad kit.Additionally the MENU key has been changed to FN.Last but not least an R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn have been added.

+1 to all of these changes. You're almost there. A few things still seem “off” to me, so I'll list them here:
  • What bothers me the most is that Pause↲Break legend. It really has no place in this set. There's no SysRq legend under the PrtSc key, so why should there be a Break legend under Pause? Please be a sweetheart and remove it :)
  • On a related note, have you considered replacing Caps↲Lock, Scroll↲Lock, Num↲Lock with just Caps, Scroll, Num? I believe I've said this before, but I think it'll look cleaner, and also fit the set's core idea of spartan austerity better. (In that case you should probably also use Print instead of PrtSc.)
  • I agree with the others about ISO compatibility: R3 #~ should be replaced with R3 \|.
  • I don't see a barred homing 5 in the numpad kit; you may want to add it.
  • Think about whether stepped 1.75u Control and 2u Shift are really necessary in the base kit. There's no 6u spacebar or 1.75u Function, so I don't think these are required either.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 11 August 2019, 21:39:20 »
What base colors are the alphas?

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 11 August 2019, 22:54:54 »
I wonder what Civilization players would think of these keycaps...

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #89 on: Mon, 12 August 2019, 00:31:28 »
Watching this set closely. I love the idea and the execution. The people in the thread are offering good suggestions and it looks like you are listening so thats good to see. Excited to see how it goes!
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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #90 on: Mon, 12 August 2019, 00:48:26 »
Another update

After hearing your feedback i believe i have finalized the kits

Updated kits

[...]

There have been a fair amount of changes here

First of all regarding the ISO compat i have gone back to baseline ISO support without having keys that lean more to some layouts without completing them.
Another notable change is the removal of the 1800 support from the base because as some people noted there is no support without the numpad anyway and therefore the required keys have been moved to the numpad kit.Additionally the MENU key has been changed to FN.Last but not least an R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn have been added.

+1 to all of these changes. You're almost there. A few things still seem “off” to me, so I'll list them here:
  • What bothers me the most is that Pause↲Break legend. It really has no place in this set. There's no SysRq legend under the PrtSc key, so why should there be a Break legend under Pause? Please be a sweetheart and remove it :)
  • On a related note, have you considered replacing Caps↲Lock, Scroll↲Lock, Num↲Lock with just Caps, Scroll, Num? I believe I've said this before, but I think it'll look cleaner, and also fit the set's core idea of spartan austerity better. (In that case you should probably also use Print instead of PrtSc.)
  • I agree with the others about ISO compatibility: R3 #~ should be replaced with R3 \|.
  • I don't see a barred homing 5 in the numpad kit; you may want to add it.
  • Think about whether stepped 1.75u Control and 2u Shift are really necessary in the base kit. There's no 6u spacebar or 1.75u Function, so I don't think these are required either.


These are definitely some helpful notes and i will take them under consideration.To answer your last point i don't  believe a 6u spacebar is required to have those keys you mentioned.I for one use the stepped control whenever it's available in a set and
i think the 2u shift is required in some 60% layouts that use a 6.25u spacebar (gk64 etc) so it's nice to have.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
« Reply #91 on: Wed, 14 August 2019, 04:05:43 »
Set of the year, love everything about it. Thank you!

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #92 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 04:26:24 »
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Think about whether stepped 1.75u Control and 2u Shift are really necessary in the base kit. There's no 6u spacebar or 1.75u Function, so I don't think these are required either.

These are definitely some helpful notes and i will take them under consideration.To answer your last point i don't  believe a 6u spacebar is required to have those keys you mentioned.I for one use the stepped control whenever it's available in a set and
i think the 2u shift is required in some 60% layouts that use a 6.25u spacebar (gk64 etc) so it's nice to have.

Thanks for taking my feedback into consideration.

I believe there was a slight misunderstand regarding the 1.75u Function and 6u spacebar I mentioned. I wasn't trying to say that these keys are required to have 1.75 stepped Control or 2u Shift — rather, I was listing them as examples of two more keys that are uncommon but are still used sometimes (just like 1.75u stepped Control and 2u Shift). The point I was trying to make was: if you're not including the two keys I mentioned, maybe the other two keys are also unnecessary?

Regarding 2u Shift in particular: While you're correct that the GK64 layout uses that key, it also uses a 1u Shift and a 1u Del on the other side. There's another, similar 60% layout that uses two 2u Shifts. Although your support for these layouts is, therefore, incomplete, I still understand if you want to include a 2u Shift to at least support the GK64 layout physically. But again, I don't think these layouts are common enough (even though I use / have used both of them myself) to warrant including a 2u Shift in a stripped down base kit such as this.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta
« Reply #93 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 09:56:17 »
What base colors are the alphas?
Is it written somewhere? What base color are the alphas?

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
« Reply #94 on: Thu, 15 August 2019, 16:50:27 »
I suggest merging the mono and mixed Greek kits and dropping the keys where the sublegends are redundant.

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Re: [IC] GMK Sparta - Kit Updates and more renders!
« Reply #95 on: Fri, 16 August 2019, 18:34:14 »
Great looking set and I am a fan of the final design. I'm in!