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Offline rxc92

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Ordering from KBDfans
« on: Fri, 12 July 2019, 20:11:00 »
So I recently put in an order for an assembled metal Tina from KBDfans through taobao, and of course I'm excited for it to come in. 
What have y'all's experiences been with them? I know that they're quite a large company, but in terms of build time and quality how are they? Reddit seems to be pretty happy with them from what I've seen. 
Also, as a Silenced Topre user, how do Hako Trues compare?  :eek: 
Sorry for all the questions!

Offline Legonut

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 13 July 2019, 01:13:14 »
It depends on how many other mechs you've used. The Hako Royals Trues do have a very nice, round bump, but not quite as round as Zealios V2. I've only briefly tried Topre, but I don't think any mech switch has come close enough yet.

Offline HungerMechanic

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 13 July 2019, 10:10:43 »
I've only ordered parts from KBDFans, not fully-assembled keyboards, but it's been a good experience for me.

I'm planning to order a KBD8x MKII from them, so I am just as curious as you are.

I've seen KBDFans keyboards at meetups, such as the TADA68, KBD67, KBD75, and GK64. They seem to be good at building to a certain price-point. For example, the TADA68 is a budget keyboard, but it is fine in that context. You can get a decent one with plastic case and custom switches, even comes with decent PBT keycaps. The KBD67 is more expensive, and comes with a massive metal case.

They're good at getting the basics right - case materials, keycap materials, switches. The ones I've used felt solid, although not luxurious. [The metal case options can be pretty nice, though, for the price, and the KBD75 had an LED strip like more expensive keyboards.]

In general, I would go with the fancy aluminum and brass cases with KBDFans, because they are very competitive price-wise.

You can get KBDFans to lube the stabs during construction, apparently. But if you want more enhancements, you'll probably have to do it yourself. They don't do too many luxuries at the factory. [At least you can upgrade cases with some of their designs later, if you choose.]

Anyway, I get the sense that KBDFans is a 'meat and potatoes' kind of assembler, in that they're likely to get you a solid keyboard with the basics functioning right, although it may be lacking some bells and whistles, and certain customization features.

WRT to Hako Trues, I have only used Halo Trues. I found them to be obnoxiously heavy. I understand the purpose behind that [prevent bottoming-out], but they just seemed so much heavier than was necessary. I use Kailh Pro Purples, which are said to be a lighter version of Halo Trues. They make much more sense to me in that capacity.

If you are using Topre 55 gr, I guess Hako Trues will be okay. I prefer 45 gr, just as I prefer the Pro Purples.

Offline rxc92

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 13 July 2019, 11:24:53 »
Interesting. I ended up talking with one of their associates for a while to get one of their higher-end models which wasn't available on their English storefront, so hopefully that turns out pretty well. 
 
I might've made a mistake on ordering the Hako Trues, since I'm a fan of 45g Topre and lighter switches in general. However, since I have used stock Clears for a while, I hope it's still usable for me or it'll be to the classifieds..
From what I've read, apparently the actuation point isn't super heavy, while the bottom out (due to design) is very heavy? I suppose if that's the case, then perhaps it just calls for a lighter touch.

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 13 July 2019, 12:00:24 »
I'm curious as to what the higher end model is. Would you know what the form factor is and what causes it to be high end and would you also be open to sharing any pictures?

As someone who's heavily into the Topre life, (2 HHKB's, 660C with Heavy-6, RF2, Norbaforce, Novatouch) I just found it difficult to find any comparable switch to Topre, albeit 45g or 55g. The closest I've come to in terms of smoothness and silence is Silent Inks, which I'm using right now, but without the tactility, which is something I'm fine with.

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 13 July 2019, 16:32:05 »
Sorry, I meant it in a more broad sense of higher-end among their selection. I talked directly with them via taobao and paid using Chinese prices, as the kit I bought was not available normally to international buyers. It's a fully aluminum case HHKB-layout with a brass weight, and the price (with a more expensive switch type) was about $175 excluding international shipping, $190 with. 
 
Mainly, I decided on trying the Trues after hearing their typing test sounds and their interesting force curves; as I've already tried all sorts of Topre (standard 45g, 45g silenced on HHKB and R2, a bit of 55g), it seemed like something new would be interesting. Plus, it'll be my first keyboard with non-stock Cherry (or Topre) switches. 
 
Here's a link to it: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.11.64a61c64cWa5FC&id=570751751515&ns=1&abbucket=13
« Last Edit: Sat, 13 July 2019, 16:33:38 by rxc92 »

Offline HungerMechanic

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 13 July 2019, 21:04:35 »
Halo True is significantly heavier than 45 gr Topre, in my experience. But if you can handle MX Clears, you may be able to handle Trues.

And yes, the Trues are specifically-designed, IIRC, not just to emulate Topre, but to discourage bottoming-out by mounting the force requirement at the bottom. You can activate the switch well before maximum bottom-out force.

I just did some typing on the Pro Purples. They really are like a mechanical version of rubber domes, if you ask me. Tactility right at the top, and once you break through [about 50 gr], it's linear to the bottom. It takes the familiarity of rubber domes (high collapse point) and adds the best of MX (linear bottom-out). I could happily switch between these and 45 gr Topre, although they are not the same. [Topre feels more protracted in the activation and bottoming out, and more rubbery at the bottom.]

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 13 July 2019, 21:52:59 »
Sorry, I meant it in a more broad sense of higher-end among their selection. I talked directly with them via taobao and paid using Chinese prices, as the kit I bought was not available normally to international buyers. It's a fully aluminum case HHKB-layout with a brass weight, and the price (with a more expensive switch type) was about $175 excluding international shipping, $190 with. 
 
Mainly, I decided on trying the Trues after hearing their typing test sounds and their interesting force curves; as I've already tried all sorts of Topre (standard 45g, 45g silenced on HHKB and R2, a bit of 55g), it seemed like something new would be interesting. Plus, it'll be my first keyboard with non-stock Cherry (or Topre) switches. 
 
Here's a link to it: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.11.64a61c64cWa5FC&id=570751751515&ns=1&abbucket=13

I'd strongly suggest you try to make sure you get a Hotswap PCB in whatever keyboard you decide to go with (the keyboard you showed is available on KBDfans as the Tofu HHKB by the way - but I think with a different case naturally).

While I think soldering is awesome, and much better than hotswap, its probably a good idea in the beginning stages of this hobby till you find out what switch you really like. Desoldering a PCB is a absolute pain in the ass. I started with Hako trues, kailh box dark yellows, stealios, zilents before settling with smooth linears like healios and silent inks. Take it from me, desoldering a PCB is an absolute pain in the ass!

Offline rxc92

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 14 July 2019, 01:59:27 »
Sorry, I meant it in a more broad sense of higher-end among their selection. I talked directly with them via taobao and paid using Chinese prices, as the kit I bought was not available normally to international buyers. It's a fully aluminum case HHKB-layout with a brass weight, and the price (with a more expensive switch type) was about $175 excluding international shipping, $190 with. 
 
Mainly, I decided on trying the Trues after hearing their typing test sounds and their interesting force curves; as I've already tried all sorts of Topre (standard 45g, 45g silenced on HHKB and R2, a bit of 55g), it seemed like something new would be interesting. Plus, it'll be my first keyboard with non-stock Cherry (or Topre) switches. 
 
Here's a link to it: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.11.64a61c64cWa5FC&id=570751751515&ns=1&abbucket=13

I'd strongly suggest you try to make sure you get a Hotswap PCB in whatever keyboard you decide to go with (the keyboard you showed is available on KBDfans as the Tofu HHKB by the way - but I think with a different case naturally).

While I think soldering is awesome, and much better than hotswap, its probably a good idea in the beginning stages of this hobby till you find out what switch you really like. Desoldering a PCB is a absolute pain in the ass. I started with Hako trues, kailh box dark yellows, stealios, zilents before settling with smooth linears like healios and silent inks. Take it from me, desoldering a PCB is an absolute pain in the ass!
 
 
Thanks for the advice! I've been through a fair few bit of boards over the years but honestly never had the time to do much work on them. 
And you're right, the Tofu is somewhat similar, but not in the HHKB layout and with a lower quality case, while somehow costing more :( I think that the main reason to order off of their American store is to get things shipped faster, but the prices are definitely better on taobao.

Offline rxc92

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 18 July 2019, 00:32:06 »
Update: I received the keyboard already! However, I'm missing a few caps to complete the board, so I just needed to ask; if I use OEM caps to fill in my missing DCS profile, will they sit at the same height?

Offline HungerMechanic

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 17:19:14 »
No. DCS is much closer in height to Cherry profile, which is lower than OEM.

DCS is kind of like a shorter version of OEM, except it's a little more sculpted.

You could use OEM keycaps in other parts of the board, where they don't conflict as much with the DCS profile (such as a navigation cluster), but you can't really mix-and-match them across the board.

Offline rxc92

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 21 July 2019, 17:32:09 »
Yep, I found that out unfortunately.. Stuck using my long Shift key for the spacebar and a 2x Ctrl for my right shift, thankfully a matching spacebar from PMK is coming in soon.

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 24 July 2019, 22:55:51 »
How was the assembly job? Are all the switches in line and not crooked or anything?

Offline rxc92

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Re: Ordering from KBDfans
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 25 July 2019, 12:33:04 »
How was the assembly job? Are all the switches in line and not crooked or anything?
 
 
I disassembled the whole thing to manually restart it. The switches were aligned properly, the wiring was precise, and I was impressed with how tightly the case fits together.