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Offline fuzzybaffy

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 04:26:56 »
I'm in the market for a new mechanical keyboard, and I recently tried out a Filco with Blue Cherries.

I used it for a few hours, and I found it to be a bit "harsh" on my fingers/hands.

At first I blamed it on the mechanical switches, but I realized that the biggest difference, between that Blue Cherry Filco, and the keyboard I have now, is that my current keyboard, just a plain HP rubber dome board, has low-profile keycaps: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/key-caps.php (Refer to LP).

That, and also the HP rubber dome uses a much softer plastic for its keycaps (the Filco's keycaps, in comparison, almost felt metallic, even though I knew otherwise).

So... are there any mechanical keyboards out there that use low-profile keycaps, as listed in the aforementioned website? With the LP key cap types?

Thanks a lot for the help.
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 June 2010, 04:29:06 by fuzzybaffy »

Offline Brodie337

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 04:30:18 »
Generally, no. A mechanical keyboard has a fairly long stroke (not that you use it all), which makes low profile keycaps impractical.

Offline Findecanor

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 06:30:52 »
The "Cherry ML" switch is a mechanical (tactile? clicky?) switch with a key travel of 3 mm. That is right in-between most low-profile and "full travel" keyboards.
There is more info and links in the wiki and in various threads.
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Offline chimera15

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 06:40:45 »
I think you might like low profile alps.  You'll have to get a m1242 and either pull the switches and put them in something else or get an imate converter for it though.
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white fake simplified:   1x white smk-85, 1x Steampunk compact board hack
white real simplified: 1x unitek k-258
low profile: 1x mint m1242 in box
black: ultra mini wrist keyboard hack
blue: Japanese hhk2 lite hack, 1x siig minitouch pcb/doubleshot dc-2014 caps. kb1903, 1x modified kb1948 Siig minitouch
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Offline kriminal

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 10:03:14 »
cherry ML keycaps, or keyboards are low profile.this is an example of one
Geekhacked Filco FKBN87M/EB modified with Brown, black and blue cherries, doubleshot keycaps
Deck KBA-BL82 with Black cherries
Cherry G84-4100LCMDK-0 Cherry ML switches
Cherry G80-8200hpdus-2 Brown cherries
IBM Lexmark 51G8572 Model M Keyboard
Geekhacked Siig Minitouch KB1948
IBM Model M Mini 1397681

Offline elbowglue

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 20:37:45 »
Cherry keyboards have lower profile keycaps compared to Filcos.  It is particularly noticable in the lower row keys Shift-Z-X-C etc.  See ripster's all about keycaps post in the wiki to see pictures of this.
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Key+Reference+-+Pics+and+specifications+for+various+manufacturers+keys

I prefer filco keycap profile to the cherry keycap profile.  It's all personal preference.  In fact I was considering placing filco keycaps on my cherry keyboard (Blashpeme!) but they won't all fit correctly.

If you want cherry profile keys on your filco, I would advise doing ripster's anti-otaku mod and getting double shot keycaps on your filco.
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6924

Oh yes, and if you ask my opinion, the reason you find it harsh is because when you bottom out, you are clacking the keycaps against the metal plate which mounts the key switches. You have re-discovered the importance and benefit of PCB mounted cherry switches.  PCB mounted cherry switches are much softer in landing, they feel less harsh.  If you search for PCB mounted cherry blue keyboard, you are looking for the G80-3000LSCRC-2 which was in stock previously, now is out of stock at gemini computers.
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 June 2010, 20:45:33 by elbowglue »
My keyboards: Filco Cherry Blue Tenkeyless(daily home), Compaq MX11800 (modded to blacks), Compaq "MX 84u",  Wellington\'s Dampened Endurapro, Pinkalicious Filco Blue Cherry, Chicony KB-5191, Chicony KB-5181, Desko MOS 5023 UP "elbowglue" spos (modded to blues), Siig Minitouch (monterey blue), SMK-88 (blue cherries), Ricercar SPOS
Smallest to biggest keyboards in inches (Length X Height) - Length is most important for a midline mouse position

KBC Poker: 11.6 x 3.9 - HHKB: 11.6 x 4.3 - Siig Minitouch (Geekhack Space Saver): 11.6 x 6 - Deck/Tg3 82: 12 x 6 - Noppoo Choc Mini 12.4 x 5.3 - Compaq "MX 84u": 13.1 x 7.5 - Filco Tenkeyless: 14 x 5.3 - Cherry "ricercar spos" G86-62410EUAGSA: 14 x 7.75 - Topre Realforce 86u: 14.4 x 6.65 - Desko "elbowglue spos" MOS 5023 UP: 14.5 x 8.4 - IBM Model M Spacesaver: 15.3 x 7 - G80-1800: 15.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-125B: 16 x 7.3 - Compaq Mx11800, Cherry G80-11900: 16.25 x 7.5 - Filco Standard: 17.3 x 5.4 - Unicomp Endurapro: 17.9 x 7.1 - Adesso MKB-135B: 18.3 x 6.0 - Cherry G80-3000: 18.5 x 7.6 - IBM Model M, Unicomp Customizer: 19.3 x 8.27

Offline kriminal

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 20:43:03 »
Quote from: elbowglue;193119


I prefer filco keycap profile to the cherry keycap profile.  It's all personal preference.  In fact I was considering placing filco keycaps on my cherry keyboard (Blashpeme!) but they won't all fit correctly.

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BLASPHEMY!!!

doubleshot cherry caps on a filco is more fun than touching women tits!! err well not really but... you get the idea... ....

the cherry keycaps really are way lower than the filco keycaps
Geekhacked Filco FKBN87M/EB modified with Brown, black and blue cherries, doubleshot keycaps
Deck KBA-BL82 with Black cherries
Cherry G84-4100LCMDK-0 Cherry ML switches
Cherry G80-8200hpdus-2 Brown cherries
IBM Lexmark 51G8572 Model M Keyboard
Geekhacked Siig Minitouch KB1948
IBM Model M Mini 1397681

Offline gr1m

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 20:49:46 »
Quote from: kriminal;193120
doubleshot cherry caps on a filco is more fun than touching women tits!!


http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=10364

Sup?

Offline kriminal

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 21:34:31 »
>_>
Geekhacked Filco FKBN87M/EB modified with Brown, black and blue cherries, doubleshot keycaps
Deck KBA-BL82 with Black cherries
Cherry G84-4100LCMDK-0 Cherry ML switches
Cherry G80-8200hpdus-2 Brown cherries
IBM Lexmark 51G8572 Model M Keyboard
Geekhacked Siig Minitouch KB1948
IBM Model M Mini 1397681

Offline Oqsy

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 22:35:48 »
fuzzy:  I have 3 cherry ML boards.  I'll gladly sell you one for $15 shipped or $10 and you pay shipping.  The board I have is:
G84-4400PRBUS Black dual PS/2 with trackball (ball itself replaced with higher quality ball from SpeechMikePro)

I'm fine with the switches... they work as well for me as scissor switches.  I just don't care for the layout of this particular board.  Nothing that couldn't be fixed with AutoHotKey, but I have so many boards in the layouts I prefer I haven't bothered with it.  Plus, I only plan to keep one, so the other two are just taking up space.  Oh, and no international shipping, US only :D
« Last Edit: Mon, 14 June 2010, 22:37:50 by Oqsy »
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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 04:13:35 »
To the OP-
I noticed you said "low profile keys", not "low profile switches".
If you want keycaps that are not tall-ish like the Filco's then I would suggest something like a Cherry MX 11900. The keys are a lower (flatter) profile but the key tops are raked according to row (tilted/sculptured). However the boards that Oqsy mentioned have not only lower (flatter) keys they also are a flatter board and they have a switch that has less travel.

It seems like you desire a laptop style keyboard (in terms of keys). If you happen to find a keyboard that you love apart from the profile of the keys, you can always do a swap with another compatible board. This may or may not be a cheap solution though. But I threw it out there anyway.

Although I must admit if the key spacing is the same and the keytops are the same and the travel is the same but the key depth (downward dimension) is different would that really even make a fundamental difference?

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Offline hoggy

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Mechanical keyboards with low-profile key caps?
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 16 June 2010, 14:53:40 »
Perhaps you have become very accustomed to your previous keyboard and are finding hard to adapt - a bit like driving a different car for the first time.  You may just need to give it a bit more time - at least a week - unless it causes you pain of course.

Another board you could try is a compaq mx 11800  - these have brown switches, no metal plates and are cheap.   Brown switches require less force than the blues.
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