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Offline BrooklynTony198

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Non-working Key on a Model M
« on: Thu, 02 April 2020, 22:11:52 »
Hello fellow Model M owners! I'm currently restoring a 1987 silver label Model M, with part number 1390120. Boy so far this has been an interesting project. I had agreed to bolt mod it for a friend, and it arrived in terrible condition. It had stopped working entirely, and when I opened it up, not only was it filthy, but EVERY SINGLE PLASTIC RIVET had fallen out. I tried to bolt mod it, but the barrel plate cracked into pieces when I tried to rescrew it. One Unicomp order later, and now it has a brand new barrel plate, but it still is slightly broken.

The key issue here is that the "V" key has failed. I knew this was an issue from before, as the owner had said that the V key stopped working a long time before the rest of the keys. At first I thought this was due to the slowing breaking plastic rivets. But that isn't the reason it doesn't work, since it should now that I bolt modded it. The spring does buckle, the flipper does move, but the membrane doesn't seem to sense it. So I came to consult you guys on how I should move forward. What is the most likely issue? Should I get a new membrane assembly from Unicomp? Or is it a simple fix?
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Re: Non-working Key on a Model M
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 03 April 2020, 03:27:45 »
i fixed a membrane with a multimeter in ohm mode and a bit of conductive tape, if it is a broken or oxidized trace, the problem with that is that it seems to only be V, for me a broken trace would kill a bunch of keys usually, the safest bet would be to buy from unicomp for sure, because if the membrane has started corroding it will continue and the board will break again.
there might be other problem that could cause that that i am not aware of.
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Re: Non-working Key on a Model M
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 03 April 2020, 04:11:44 »
the safest bet would be to buy from unicomp for sure

I'm still very confused how to "input membrane part number" on their buy page.
          
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Re: Non-working Key on a Model M
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 03 April 2020, 05:26:56 »
the safest bet would be to buy from unicomp for sure

I'm still very confused how to "input membrane part number" on their buy page.

there should be a number on each membrane and a membrane assembly number on both, if you have doubts you can contact them, they are very helpful, although with the current situation they may not be able to answer right now.
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Re: Non-working Key on a Model M
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 03 April 2020, 15:35:02 »
f the membrane has started corroding it will continue and the board will break again.
there might be other problem that could cause that that i am not aware of.

I'm going to try and clean off the membrane. It looks fine, but it may be that I need to clean the trace. It looks like someone spilled water in this thing at some point, or it had been fixed before... The membrane connectors have a lot of wear. How should I clean the membrane?
          
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Re: Non-working Key on a Model M
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 03 April 2020, 15:56:37 »
How should I clean the membrane?

I would *gently* wipe it with a wet paper towel first to remove dirt. Maybe weak alcohol next, with wet paper towel afterwards to remove any residue.

If you have wear already, any abrasive cleaning will accelerate the erosion. Once the connection is gone, you will have to use something like paint or tape to replace it.

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Re: Non-working Key on a Model M
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 03 April 2020, 16:09:21 »
How should I clean the membrane?

I would *gently* wipe it with a wet paper towel first to remove dirt. Maybe weak alcohol next, with wet paper towel afterwards to remove any residue.

If you have wear already, any abrasive cleaning will accelerate the erosion. Once the connection is gone, you will have to use something like paint or tape to replace it.

Thanks, I will do that this weekend and see if it fixes the issue.
          
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Re: Non-working Key on a Model M
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 04 April 2020, 05:57:30 »
Just cleaned the membrane and the keyboard is fully up and running! Thanks for your help!
          
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Re: Non-working Key on a Model M
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 08 April 2020, 14:32:26 »
Happy to hear an old Silver Badge is up and running again.  :)

I didn't have anything to do with this, but thanks for replying and saying that you got it working, looking these sorts of threads up in the future is an invaluable resource for these sorts of issues.

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Re: Non-working Key on a Model M
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 08 April 2020, 16:02:24 »
Happy to hear an old Silver Badge is up and running again.  :)

I didn't have anything to do with this, but thanks for replying and saying that you got it working, looking these sorts of threads up in the future is an invaluable resource for these sorts of issues.

Agreed. The silver badge bricks deserve TLC, and I know that for years before joining Geekhack, I have used threads just like this to learn things and resolve problems. Some closure is always great, when possible.