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Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« on: Sat, 15 February 2020, 05:53:16 »
Assume for a moment you are just buying a bone stock board please. I only know one place now that might have the Realforce. Fujitsu. Price is now way down. It has lost it's cachet I guess. No one else even has one. So I feel a comparison might be in order. If you were buying one right now do you think you would like the Realforce RGB better or the K70MK2.SE? Just curious. It is actually a question for someone else.  They want a Topre like mine is and I think the closest thing is that K70 I said without spending too much. I told him I think the shortest travel is best too. Thanks guy's

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 15 February 2020, 12:21:57 »
You say the person also wants a Topre like keyboard. But you also give him a option for a MX board. Topre and MX are like comparing Apples to Oranges. I don't think he would be happy with the feel when he gets that corsair keyboard if he expects the Topre feel.

The best option for him is to get a Noppoo board. Chinese clone of Topre if his budget is not big.
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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 15 February 2020, 20:00:05 »
He never tried either. Just a Cherry red at Walmart. I obviously prefer Topre. He admired my board but I informed him I had spent a few grand on my board and he had no interest in that. It is not his life like me. Just one more thing. I think any switch is fine. I just wondered how well that K70 was built. It looks alright.  The issue is he can get the K70 now or wait 3-5 weeks for the only known place to get a Realforce RGB now. I wonder what happened to sales on the Topre RGB? No one has it? Fujitsu is not only 3-5 weeks to Wisconsin US but they dropped the price to nothing. I paid $399.00 for my Seasonic(board). The Fujitsu is down to $239. 8 months ago it was $299. It looks like they can't sell these? Perhaps there is a reason he should not get a Topre RGB at all? I love mine.  Although mine does feel like a real R2.

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 15 February 2020, 21:39:56 »
He never tried either. Just a Cherry red at Walmart. I obviously prefer Topre. He admired my board but I informed him I had spent a few grand on my board and he had no interest in that. It is not his life like me. Just one more thing. I think any switch is fine. I just wondered how well that K70 was built. It looks alright.  The issue is he can get the K70 now or wait 3-5 weeks for the only known place to get a Realforce RGB now. I wonder what happened to sales on the Topre RGB? No one has it? Fujitsu is not only 3-5 weeks to Wisconsin US but they dropped the price to nothing. I paid $399.00 for my Seasonic(board). The Fujitsu is down to $239. 8 months ago it was $299. It looks like they can't sell these? Perhaps there is a reason he should not get a Topre RGB at all? I love mine.  Although mine does feel like a real R2.

Did he test out your board or did he only admire the looks? If he did try it i think he can choose the one he likes the most MX or Topre.

And imo if he wants to get Topre he shouldn't get the RGB version since that one is build less good then your normal ones and has laser thin ABS key caps.

If he wants to go for MX RGB gaming stuff he can rather get a Cooler Master RGB Keyboard they make some decent keyboards compared to other OEM's.
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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 00:46:32 »
I am kind of honestly a jerk. I will not let anyone touch any of my "stuff". So, no he has never tried Topre. What got him Is I put it in RGB demo mode. This is my friends son. He is adopted too. So he is only 13 like our kids. You can see why that would matter most to him. I did not want to get him a junk $50 board though. I though he should have DS keycaps ETC. My Topre is not exactly the same as an out of the box RGB. I have put about 4 grand into it. Mainly the one of a kind case. The keycaps were not cheap either.  Nonetheless I do not give junk gifts. I really don't think he will even notice the switch at this point. He wants the cool colors. So as you say I will check out Cooler Master. I simply cannot get him pad printed keys ETC.  I doubt he needs volume buttons and such though.

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 16 February 2020, 06:31:08 »
EH, I am thinking I will get him the K70 SE today. It looks good. He has no clue about switches. I feel for most people shorter distance is better. My R2's are on highest. Looks like that K70 SE will hold up good. I would not buy a regular K70. Well "I" wouldn't buy any of them but that is a different matter. Plus the Topre RGB out of the box is not a "real" Topre. So then I feel bad.

I was wondering though. Does anyone know what the heck happened to sales of the Realforce RGB?
Granted, a plain R2 is much nicer but that is not what I am asking. It looks like they can't sell any more RGB units? Why?

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 00:11:27 »
The target audience doesn't really work. It's supposed to target the gamer market with RGB, but MX RGB technology is much further advanced, cheaper, and more customizable, in addition to being better for gaming in many cases. 
Also, many of the people who would be interested in having a backlit Topre board (probably not many in the first place as Topre boards so far have all been non-backlit) are going to be put off by the thin ABS caps necessary for the lights to show through. People think 'nice quality PBT caps' as every single Topre board manufactured besides the Type Heaven has had very high quality stock caps. 

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 03:09:38 »
So... Since I am a good guy and I no longer need my money. I got him a $45 RGB board and a PFU limited edition R2. I will tell him enjoy the RGB. Then have a real keyboard for the rest of your life.

I get your point though. Thanks for explaining. Stock keycaps do suck. Apparently they cannot sell these boards to a dog now. I guess since other RGB boards are half the price. You want a Topre you Get a Topre. Not this nonsense. This tanked.

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 09:20:35 »
You know what? I need it like a hole in the head but I think I am going to get that K70 MK2 SE for myself right now. See, I know a sales reo for one of the distributers. He is letting me have it for $59. I probably should not have said that but it is interesting what the markup is. You have to remember he still made a few bucks too. I don't think it matters I said it because most people do have to pay whatever it costs retail if they want it anyways. It is not going to change that. It is made in China. Look at the Topre. It is made in Japan and now they can afford to give it away without a loss. I would guess initial cost on that board might be closer to $100. It is just not a real Topre. By comparison the PFU limited edition retails for $350 and I would gather cost on it is over $250. I do not know the whole story of the RGB but it is not a real Topre IMO. Mine is very nice and it is my grail but look what I spent to whip it into shape. most people simply would not do that.

The joke is if I tried to sell it, it is probably still worth very little. It is kind of like lipstick on a pig. I love it so that is all that matters to me. It is so bad though, not a single store carries it anymore. Only direct from Fujitsu 35% off. Tonight I am going to swap out a PFU limited and see how I like the light on. I can touch type but like everything in my life I am not sure of myself. I feel light on in dark room ruins the display quality? The light is right behind the display. It is a high quality German Daylight LED fixture. Does it actually ruin the picture quality? Since not seeing the keyboard is just not happening with me. Thank you guys

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 11:25:09 »
I don’t understand the “it’s not real Topre” statement. I’ve seen disassembly pics of the Realforce RGB, I see sliders, I see domes. Looks like Topre to me.

Also it’s not a typo thread without him bragging about his “one of a kind” keyboard that I question even exists. I counted 5 mentions of it so far with a shout-out to his German lightbulb(?).

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 14:03:37 »
So I mentioned my keyboard. big deal. does that have to mean I am bragging? Same with German light fixture. I pointed that out to mean it is god quality so anyone could judge if it would affect the display quality. Why do you always insist I am just bragging. Gee whiz. Okay you hate me I get it.

Yes, in that sense it is a real topre. I mean the sum of it's parts just do not feel like a real topre. Stock it feels like rubbish. It is indeed mostly the keycaps mind you. However the switch routing is not the same either because they had to fit the LED's. I am not sure but stock it sucks. Just compare it to a non RGB R2. You will see. It especially sucks for gaming which is the huge joke. Capacitive is not very good for gaming. Not says I but thousands of gamers that tanked it's sales. 

Walie, if you do not like my posts why do you always read and comment on them? I don't hate you. I got love for you brother. Let me give you a big hug. What you are upset about is trivial, silly. take it easy my man. Take a deep breathe. Feel better? I hope so. I mean you no disrespect. I am seriously sorry you find me offensive. I honestly mean that. I want to be your friend.

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:28:34 »
Why wouldn't you buy a regular K70? I'm of the opinion that the Mk.2 was ruined aesthetically, so I'm of an opposite mind. I own many K70s and K65s. I'm not touching the Mk.2 with a 10 foot pole. The media keys look like they might be more convenient though? I just wish they would make a K65 with the same volume roller as the K70.

Never tried a Topre board myself. I find it funny that those things even sell for that much money to begin with. I would rather sign up for another new production Model F at those prices, but to each their own.

What is this about display quality with or without light? If you're talking about a monitor, you would think it might just cause glare (when facing the display) and/or wash it out on the edges (if coming from behind).
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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 19:38:27 »
So I mentioned my keyboard. big deal. does that have to mean I am bragging? Same with German light fixture. I pointed that out to mean it is god quality so anyone could judge if it would affect the display quality. Why do you always insist I am just bragging. Gee whiz. Okay you hate me I get it.

Yes, in that sense it is a real topre. I mean the sum of it's parts just do not feel like a real topre. Stock it feels like rubbish. It is indeed mostly the keycaps mind you. However the switch routing is not the same either because they had to fit the LED's. I am not sure but stock it sucks. Just compare it to a non RGB R2. You will see. It especially sucks for gaming which is the huge joke. Capacitive is not very good for gaming. Not says I but thousands of gamers that tanked it's sales. 

Walie, if you do not like my posts why do you always read and comment on them? I don't hate you. I got love for you brother. Let me give you a big hug. What you are upset about is trivial, silly. take it easy my man. Take a deep breathe. Feel better? I hope so. I mean you no disrespect. I am seriously sorry you find me offensive. I honestly mean that. I want to be your friend.

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 20:01:52 »
He never tried either. Just a Cherry red at Walmart. I obviously prefer Topre. He admired my board but I informed him I had spent a few grand on my board and he had no interest in that. It is not his life like me. Just one more thing. I think any switch is fine. I just wondered how well that K70 was built. It looks alright.  The issue is he can get the K70 now or wait 3-5 weeks for the only known place to get a Realforce RGB now. I wonder what happened to sales on the Topre RGB? No one has it? Fujitsu is not only 3-5 weeks to Wisconsin US but they dropped the price to nothing. I paid $399.00 for my Seasonic(board). The Fujitsu is down to $239. 8 months ago it was $299. It looks like they can't sell these? Perhaps there is a reason he should not get a Topre RGB at all? I love mine.  Although mine does feel like a real R2.

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 21:07:44 »
He never tried either. Just a Cherry red at Walmart. I obviously prefer Topre. He admired my board but I informed him I had spent a few grand on my board and he had no interest in that. It is not his life like me. Just one more thing. I think any switch is fine. I just wondered how well that K70 was built. It looks alright.  The issue is he can get the K70 now or wait 3-5 weeks for the only known place to get a Realforce RGB now. I wonder what happened to sales on the Topre RGB? No one has it? Fujitsu is not only 3-5 weeks to Wisconsin US but they dropped the price to nothing. I paid $399.00 for my Seasonic(board). The Fujitsu is down to $239. 8 months ago it was $299. It looks like they can't sell these? Perhaps there is a reason he should not get a Topre RGB at all? I love mine.  Although mine does feel like a real R2.

cherry red is best for gaming but low tier for typing

Did you even read the question he asked? Your answer really makes 0 sense. I wish the ignore function literary just deletes your answers from my screen and existence. I just can't keep my self from seeing what bs you wrote next for some reason  :-X. Nothing personal but please READ and then answer something useful or don't its that simple.

Also every switch is for typing/gaming all depends per people. I even know people that use 35g Gateron clears for typing. Don't classify something because of what they say on the internet or your own opinion. gamer switches are marketing.

I know this may be harsh but it's been like this for a while.
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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 17 February 2020, 22:04:52 »
What do you mean? I was just saying it does not matter. He wanted blinking lights not a keyboard. I did him a huge favor. I got him the blinking lights and a very nice keyboard. Granted the keyboard I got him is my own taste. He could sell it to get something else if he does not like it. they hold their value good. I do not understand what you mean by did I read what he wrote. Of course I did. I have no clue what you expected me to say. I do not know why the usual few of you always come in my threads against me. If you don't like me just don't read my threads. What more can I say? For whatever reason a few people predetermined they do not like me. A lot of people probably do or could care less. I do not understand why you always have to seek me out just to insult me? That is not very polite you know. I do understand I say some off the wall stuff. that is true. either chuckle about it or forget it. you do not have to always be upset with me. Seriously it is not good for your health to hate on people for one thing. I thought I gave a reasonable answer. For the $59 I took the K70 Mk2 Se. Only reason. For $149 or $179 I would not even think about it. I could afford it obviously but It would be a complete waste of my money. I just wanted a white board. Only other thing I have is happy hacking. no full size. It did look robust but it twists and turns. It is rubbish. What did you expect? If you don't believe me, find out the hard way. I too, do like the volume slider though since music is very important to me. music goes 24/7 wherever I am at. At least if I have a say about it. any kind of music. I am flexible. unlike some of you guy's. Please, seriously just give me a break. I never personally disrespected any of you that are hating on me. I never intend to either. You can just keep it up as long as you wish for all I care. I would rather you did not of course. I am not sure what is so wrong with me in your eyes? Well, yeah I get it the keyboard that might not exist. whatever.
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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:26:43 »
What do you mean? I was just saying it does not matter. He wanted blinking lights not a keyboard. I did him a huge favor. I got him the blinking lights and a very nice keyboard. Granted the keyboard I got him is my own taste. He could sell it to get something else if he does not like it. they hold their value good. I do not understand what you mean by did I read what he wrote. Of course I did. I have no clue what you expected me to say. I do not know why the usual few of you always come in my threads against me. If you don't like me just don't read my threads. What more can I say? For whatever reason a few people predetermined they do not like me. A lot of people probably do or could care less. I do not understand why you always have to seek me out just to insult me? That is not very polite you know. I do understand I say some off the wall stuff. that is true. either chuckle about it or forget it. you do not have to always be upset with me. Seriously it is not good for your health to hate on people for one thing. I thought I gave a reasonable answer. For the $59 I took the K70 Mk2 Se. Only reason. For $149 or $179 I would not even think about it. I could afford it obviously but It would be a complete waste of my money. I just wanted a white board. Only other thing I have is happy hacking. no full size. It did look robust but it twists and turns. It is rubbish. What did you expect? If you don't believe me, find out the hard way. I too, do like the volume slider though since music is very important to me. music goes 24/7 wherever I am at. At least if I have a say about it. any kind of music. I am flexible. unlike some of you guy's. Please, seriously just give me a break. I never personally disrespected any of you that are hating on me. I never intend to either. You can just keep it up as long as you wish for all I care. I would rather you did not of course. I am not sure what is so wrong with me in your eyes? Well, yeah I get it the keyboard that might not exist. whatever.

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 08:15:21 »
What do you mean? I was just saying it does not matter. He wanted blinking lights not a keyboard. I did him a huge favor. I got him the blinking lights and a very nice keyboard. Granted the keyboard I got him is my own taste. He could sell it to get something else if he does not like it. they hold their value good. I do not understand what you mean by did I read what he wrote. Of course I did. I have no clue what you expected me to say. I do not know why the usual few of you always come in my threads against me. If you don't like me just don't read my threads. What more can I say? For whatever reason a few people predetermined they do not like me. A lot of people probably do or could care less. I do not understand why you always have to seek me out just to insult me? That is not very polite you know. I do understand I say some off the wall stuff. that is true. either chuckle about it or forget it. you do not have to always be upset with me. Seriously it is not good for your health to hate on people for one thing. I thought I gave a reasonable answer. For the $59 I took the K70 Mk2 Se. Only reason. For $149 or $179 I would not even think about it. I could afford it obviously but It would be a complete waste of my money. I just wanted a white board. Only other thing I have is happy hacking. no full size. It did look robust but it twists and turns. It is rubbish. What did you expect? If you don't believe me, find out the hard way. I too, do like the volume slider though since music is very important to me. music goes 24/7 wherever I am at. At least if I have a say about it. any kind of music. I am flexible. unlike some of you guy's. Please, seriously just give me a break. I never personally disrespected any of you that are hating on me. I never intend to either. You can just keep it up as long as you wish for all I care. I would rather you did not of course. I am not sure what is so wrong with me in your eyes? Well, yeah I get it the keyboard that might not exist. whatever.

I doubt many people actually hate you. It can just be hard to understand what you're trying to convey, and you do kind of vomit out massive paragraphs that are not always very cohesive.

Why the Mk.2 over the original though? They did make K70s that were not dyed during the anodization process, though I don't think that they were common. I see them for sale from time to time. I love the build quality of the K65 and K70, minus the caps I suppose, but mine have held up for many years in spite of being lasered ABS.

What did you mean about display quality?

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I'm going to agree with Sup, less harshly. I don't think Cherry MX Red is particularly good at/for anything. They're just better than anything else I have at the moment for the task. I know for sure that box reds are smoother, and a little heavier which is great since reds are way too light to rest your fingers on without risking accidental actuation. I am not certain, but I can reasonably assume that
Novelkeys cream, gateron reds, and even Outemu reds (based on my blues), would all be a more pleasant/smooth experience. I may even end up going with some box whites as a nice compromise switch, at some point.
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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 08:42:20 »
I will go so far as to say outside of topre the best MX switch is Kaith. Just not the steels. That is how I just literally stole a custom keyboard last night. I will swap to Halo.

I meant light on behind the monitor in a completely dark room. I revisited it coding all night. It royal sucked. I do need RGB. As I said I can certainly touch type but I have confidence issues. I want to see the board. Otherwise I vastly prefer HHKB.

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 08:52:53 »
I will go so far as to say outside of topre the best MX switch is Kaith. Just not the steels. That is how I just literally stole a custom keyboard last night. I will swap to Halo.

I meant light on behind the monitor in a completely dark room. I revisited it coding all night. It royal sucked. I do need RGB. As I said I can certainly touch type but I have confidence issues. I want to see the board. Otherwise I vastly prefer HHKB.

I bet it did. Why not not put some light overhead? At the right angle it shouldn't cause any glare, or bleed, and you should be able to see the keys. If you have one of those slide-out keyboard trays, maybe you could mount an led strip under the desk, just above the tray as well. Otherwise, you could maybe try softer colors that are less harsh in the dark, like a red light?

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 15:34:05 »
The RGB is currently selling for $263.00 on Fujitsu's website.  You can't tell me that a huge Japanese conglomerate like Topre isn't making money on it at that price point.  I own two Topre keyboards, and they're very nice, but they're not made out of anything very exotic.

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 20:18:59 »
I'm sure they would still be making bank at half of that price.

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Re: Topre RGB Vs. K70 SE?
« Reply #22 on: Tue, 18 February 2020, 22:32:30 »
The RGB is currently selling for $263.00 on Fujitsu's website.  You can't tell me that a huge Japanese conglomerate like Topre isn't making money on it at that price point.  I own two Topre keyboards, and they're very nice, but they're not made out of anything very exotic.
 
 
I'm sure they're making a fair bit on a per keyboard basis. The factor of volume is lacking.