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Re: Young people don't seem to like star wars as much.
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 19:08:10 »
It's very clear from the new disc sales, starwars is not pulling like it used to.

Perhaps young people have moved on.

Y'all thnk' it may be the pandemic ?


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Re: Young people don't seem to like star wars as much.
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 11 April 2020, 04:11:46 »

I have a feeling you're thinking specifically of the cheesy old Chuck Norris movies where he's got an AK with unlimited ammo,


Now that you mention it, I don't think that I have ever seen a Chuck Norris movie.
I wouldn't be able to even name one xD . But I know he's supposed to be super invincible in all of them or something xD .
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Re: Young people don't seem to like star wars as much.
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 11 April 2020, 13:31:18 »
Disney ruined Star Wars. I refuse to even call it that anymore. I call it Disney Wars instead, since it is some kind of self-aware autistic parody of what Star Wars should be now. The only movie they have released that wasn't absolute trash was Rogue One, and even that one's diversion from the CORRECT canon irritated me. I haven't given Disney a single cent since I saw Rogue One in theaters, and am so repulsed by their destruction of my favorite fiction franchise, that I plan on never giving them a cent again.

... The EU should never have been wiped. ...
Amen, brother! The EU was the greatest aspect about Star Wars, it was so much more than the movies. Everything fit together and brought a new angle: books, computer games, comics... My favorites are the DOS Tie Fighter game and the first of the Darth Bane novels - he embodies the real Star Wars (Rule of Two)! And of course Zahn's original Thrawn Trilogy.

I would get further material only second-hand, because Disney gets exactly zero cents from me for their betrayal. And that does not mean pirating either, their content just sucks, imho, and I have much better things to spend my precious time on (like posting here). - boring

My favorite of the movies is Episode III, actually. I was at the advance showing in a movie theater that brought the original version instead of the German translation. It was right next to the Stephansdom, which is also a major tourist attraction in the heart of Vienna. There was applause from the audience when the movie ended, and it was my best cinematic experience so far.
 
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I have a feeling you're thinking specifically of the cheesy old Chuck Norris movies where he's got an AK with unlimited ammo, with which he does literally shoot down choppers, and stands around motionlessly in the wide open while being shot at by 20 people and is miraculously protected from all harm from the heavens above, like George Washington.
John Wick is much better. He takes time to reload, either when adversaries are down or when he has taken cover :thumb:. Even better, he picks up enemy weapons when his ammunition is depleted. Most realistic movies ever.


Now that you mention it, I don't think that I have ever seen a Chuck Norris movie.
I wouldn't be able to even name one xD . But I know he's supposed to be super invincible in all of them or something xD .
Haha, good point, lol
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Re: Young people don't seem to like star wars as much.
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 11 April 2020, 16:57:00 »
The only Chuck Norris movies I can think of are really Bruce Lee movies.

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Re: Young people don't seem to like star wars as much.
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 11 April 2020, 17:38:03 »
Episode III is my least favourite episodic Star Wars movie. (I don't even consider Disney's 7..9 to be Star Wars movies ...)
Anakin's fall does not feel believable. The Emperor's transformation looks like crap. Mace Windu goes out like a punk. Padmé is out of character from previous movies. And Threepio flies a starship — what?!

As to Chuck Norris, I think I have seen only one of his movies way back when and I don't even remember which movie it was: possibly The Delta Force, but I'm not sure. Something with lots of guns, anyway.
Weird enough, I think I have a script for a Chuck Norris movie laying around in a box at home somewhere. I got it after my dad who as a journalist had met Norris a couple of times back in the early '80s.
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Re: Young people don't seem to like star wars as much.
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 11 April 2020, 17:44:57 »
The only Chuck Norris movies I can think of are really Bruce Lee movies.

Which ones was he in besides Return of the Dragon (aka Way of the Dragon)?
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Re: Young people don't seem to like star wars as much.
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 11 April 2020, 18:02:33 »
The only Chuck Norris movies I can think of are really Bruce Lee movies.

Which ones was he in besides Return of the Dragon (aka Way of the Dragon)?


He's in Game Of Death too

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Re: Young people don't seem to like star wars as much.
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 15:14:09 »
Disney ruined Star Wars. I refuse to even call it that anymore. I call it Disney Wars instead, since it is some kind of self-aware autistic parody of what Star Wars should be now. The only movie they have released that wasn't absolute trash was Rogue One, and even that one's diversion from the CORRECT canon irritated me. I haven't given Disney a single cent since I saw Rogue One in theaters, and am so repulsed by their destruction of my favorite fiction franchise, that I plan on never giving them a cent again.

The beginning of the end was the The Force Unleashed video game, and the animated movie debut of Ahsoka Tano, especially since Anakin wasn't even a knight until Episode III. I feel like Lucas realized he couldn't keep up with trying to keep the entire universe cohesive anymore, because of the endless demand for new content that he had to carefully curate, so he must have reluctantly hoped that Disney could take the reigns. What a mistake. The EU should never have been wiped. It was a lazy move to allow Jar Jar Abrams to do whatever he pleased without having to worry about knowing literally anything about Star Wars, even though the movies that followed STILL managed to conflict with previous movies Disney considers canon to this day. Even that alone, before The Farce Awakens, was enough to sound the deathknell of the franchise. It was already over then and there, it just seems it has taken some people 6 years to realize it.

I imagine fewer people, in general, care about Star Wars than they used to, due to this historic bungling/milking. I doubt it has much to do with 21st century eyes, etc. I saw it for the first time as a kid in the 90s and I was awestruck by the setting, characters, pacing, and storytelling. The special effects, while groundbreaking at the time, at least hold up today, and thankfully, CGI couldn't be used as a crutch to distract from a terrible plot and 0 character development back then.

Yeah bro i agree with you but please change the first paragraph or re word it. Kinda offensive to aspies like me
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Re: Young people don't seem to like star wars as much.
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 13 April 2020, 16:28:26 »

I have a feeling you're thinking specifically of the cheesy old Chuck Norris movies where he's got an AK with unlimited ammo,

Now that you mention it, I don't think that I have ever seen a Chuck Norris movie. I do remember when he was killed by Bruce Lee in the Coliseum in Rome, probably the only time that happened on screen.

But the ammunition/reloading dilemma is one of those things. For some of these scenes every participant would have had to have had a 100-pound backpack full of ammunition just to get through a 5-minute fight.

You're missing out, they're hilarious.  You're absolutely right on ammo. At least the bad guys are about as accurate as anybody else would be in real life when doing pointless full auto mag dumps. funny stuff all around.


I have a feeling you're thinking specifically of the cheesy old Chuck Norris movies where he's got an AK with unlimited ammo,


Now that you mention it, I don't think that I have ever seen a Chuck Norris movie.
I wouldn't be able to even name one xD . But I know he's supposed to be super invincible in all of them or something xD .

If you enjoy cheesy/terrible movies, Chuck Norris movies are great. I forget the name, but there's literally one where he fist fights a demon ... and wins. The best part is that the movies take themselves seriously. It isn't a joke or parody at all.

My favorite of the movies is Episode III, actually. I was at the advance showing in a movie theater that brought the original version instead of the German translation. It was right next to the Stephansdom, which is also a major tourist attraction in the heart of Vienna. There was applause from the audience when the movie ended, and it was my best cinematic experience so far.
 

My experiences were the same. I went to Episode III twice while it was in theaters. The first, in my Vader costume. Before and after the movie, people wanted pictures with Vader. For both trips the entire theater, which was full to capacity, gave the movie a 5-minute-long standing ovation.

Episode III is my least favourite episodic Star Wars movie. (I don't even consider Disney's 7..9 to be Star Wars movies ...)
Anakin's fall does not feel believable. The Emperor's transformation looks like crap. Mace Windu goes out like a punk. Padmé is out of character from previous movies. And Threepio flies a starship — what?!

As to Chuck Norris, I think I have seen only one of his movies way back when and I don't even remember which movie it was: possibly The Delta Force, but I'm not sure. Something with lots of guns, anyway.
Weird enough, I think I have a script for a Chuck Norris movie laying around in a box at home somewhere. I got it after my dad who as a journalist had met Norris a couple of times back in the early '80s.

To each their own. The writing obviously wasn't perfect, but what part of Anakin's fall wasn't believable? Lucas built his character up as this compassionate, but wildly passionate, character who's spent his entire life before becoming a Jedi with no control over his own destiny. Suddenly, with the help of Qui Gon Jinn and Kenobi, he's found to not only be a gifted/talented padawan, but possibly the most gifted force user of all time, and (according to prophecy, and their interpretation of it) the chosen one meant to bring balance to the force.

With the loss of his mother, literally after having just been rescued, he vowed then and there to master death itself, and to never lose anyone again. He felt that in spite of all of his gifts, he had failed to save her, as even he had lacked the power to prevent her death. Lucas is careful to make that much apparent through direct dialogue in Episodes II and III, and plainly display Anakin's rewnewed fears, based on his premonitions of Padme's impending doom.

Yoda, poignantly, said the following to Anakin in A Phantom Menace:

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Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.

Conversely, the Sith code fits Anakin's general demeanor much better (I believe that this is still accurate):

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Peace is a lie, there is only Passion
Through passion, I gain strength
Through strength, I gain power
Through power, I gain victory
Through victory, my chains are broken

The entire idea behind the Jedi in Star Wars is that they're sort of austere monks, forgoing the more satisfying pleasures in life as they are much more likely to lead to corruption, from which there is no return. There's a reason that the Jedi disavow romantic relationships, hunger for power or envy of another's abilities/possessions (and even, in the same vein, the validity of personal property of any kind). Anakin all but ignored these ideals by the time he was a teenager.

I do agree that his transformation could have been better. I imagine that the goal wasn't meant to subconsciously sell Sun-Maid raisins. That would only be the third time that they have almost entirely changed the emperor's appearance though, seeing as Ian McDiarmid wasn't even cast for the role until ROTJ.

Windu had a fantastic fight with Palpatine, in which he decimated him at every turn. I would say that his anticlimactic end was necessary to the plot to cement Anakin's allegiance to the dark side, having finally overcome his reservations. I would also say that being blindsided by Anakin before he could react makes much more sense than Luke, with basically no training or experience, magically besting Vader in ROTJ, Kenobi leaping from the shaft he was trapped in, force pulling Qui Gon's lightsaber, and cutting Maul in half after having been thoroughly schooled the entire fight, Kenobi magically saving himself with a dart he had been tied to while falling from a platform on Kamino, Jango being beheaded at close range having lost most of his gear killing a reek, Kenobi just shooting Grievous in the heart when all else fails, and (of course) his embarrassingly-stupid "I have the high ground!" scene.

That's one of Lucas' clear weaknesses, especially when it comes to Obi Wan. The fights are almost always artificially thrown one particular direction, often based entirely on tension and plot.

Padme and 3PO were certainly strange in Episode III, although I always chalked most of Padme's changes up to having finally come around to a secret wedding, building a family, etc. You do see the old her whenever she's (rarely) in the senate chambers, or talking about affairs pertaining to government.

Disney ruined Star Wars. I refuse to even call it that anymore. I call it Disney Wars instead, since it is some kind of self-aware autistic parody of what Star Wars should be now. The only movie they have released that wasn't absolute trash was Rogue One, and even that one's diversion from the CORRECT canon irritated me. I haven't given Disney a single cent since I saw Rogue One in theaters, and am so repulsed by their destruction of my favorite fiction franchise, that I plan on never giving them a cent again.

The beginning of the end was the The Force Unleashed video game, and the animated movie debut of Ahsoka Tano, especially since Anakin wasn't even a knight until Episode III. I feel like Lucas realized he couldn't keep up with trying to keep the entire universe cohesive anymore, because of the endless demand for new content that he had to carefully curate, so he must have reluctantly hoped that Disney could take the reigns. What a mistake. The EU should never have been wiped. It was a lazy move to allow Jar Jar Abrams to do whatever he pleased without having to worry about knowing literally anything about Star Wars, even though the movies that followed STILL managed to conflict with previous movies Disney considers canon to this day. Even that alone, before The Farce Awakens, was enough to sound the deathknell of the franchise. It was already over then and there, it just seems it has taken some people 6 years to realize it.

I imagine fewer people, in general, care about Star Wars than they used to, due to this historic bungling/milking. I doubt it has much to do with 21st century eyes, etc. I saw it for the first time as a kid in the 90s and I was awestruck by the setting, characters, pacing, and storytelling. The special effects, while groundbreaking at the time, at least hold up today, and thankfully, CGI couldn't be used as a crutch to distract from a terrible plot and 0 character development back then.

Yeah bro i agree with you but please change the first paragraph or re word it. Kinda offensive to aspies like me

I'm sorry, I meant no offense. I didn't use the term in a broad, derogatory way. I literally meant to use it as a way to specifically put to words how disjointed/foreign the dialogue seems to be. None of the dialogue in the Disney Wars trilogy seemed to me to be anything approaching a normal/natural conversation, as hard as Harrison Ford seemed to try to make it so. I could see how that could still, possibly, bother some people regardless. I'll omit that word.

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Re: Young people don't seem to like star wars as much.
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 13 April 2020, 21:40:51 »
I grew up in the 80's and watched the movies then. I wasn't that crazy about them?

As for the new ones, god no, saw two of them cos I had to bring kids, I quite literally fell asleep in the cinema, twice.


The movies that I fell asleep in are Oceans 8, The Spy Who Dumped me
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