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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 13:39:01 »
Thanks, I just put in an offer for a couple of the trackpoint-button-having ones.
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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 13:41:00 »
I looked at some stuff the guy's selling and there're a good deal on an ethernet hub.

24-port 10/100 hub for $20 BIN
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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 14:17:35 »
Wow, yeah.. he has lots of cool stuff.  It's like 10-15 years ago blew up and landed on ebay.
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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 14:21:22 »
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« Reply #6 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 14:23:56 »
Rubber dome, great layout, re-positionable / detachable numpad.  Might mouse keyboard alone retails for $99 new at unicomp when they have them in (they may be totally gone?)

Not mechanical though.
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« Reply #7 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 15:44:30 »
Strange part number is strange... I wonder if those Endurapros could be rubber dome...

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« Reply #8 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 15:56:53 »
What's interesting is how the grey 'nub' keys appear to be dyed beige keys, on practically every grey Unicomp I can think of, they are all yellowish.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 16:15:57 »
What do you think is wrong with the trackpoint that makes it not move accurately?  I'm curious.
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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 16:24:39 »
It's not that they are not accurate, it's that the Unicomp ones are quite wobbly.

The reason? They used a cheaper design than the real IBM ones.

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« Reply #11 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 17:57:52 »
The trackpoint's also not too accurate without its rubber cover.
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« Reply #12 on: Sun, 04 July 2010, 19:34:29 »
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Is there something bested off of there?  I'm not sure what it's supposed to look like but it looks like something else beside the trackpoint cap is gone, tried to zoom in a bit but not all that clear.


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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 00:35:07 »
Actually something does look funny about that. The IBM style has a square end onto which the rubber nub fits.

Does this mean Unicomp trackpoints use a new style of nub?
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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 08:38:04 »
No, they're the same design.

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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 08:59:02 »
So the above is perhaps a metal post leftover after the square mount for the trackpoint cover has broken off?

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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 09:48:05 »
The trackpoint's a metal stick (like that square one in the picture) that's covered with a rubber nub. All those Endura-Pro's need is the rubber nub.
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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 09:56:40 »
That's how most trackpoints work. But if that's the case, then those Endura-Pro's need the round cover and a nub, which still shouldn't be too hard to find.
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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 09:59:31 »
Round cover?

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« Reply #19 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 15:19:11 »
Quote from: ch_123;199652
Round cover?

[strike]Look at the photo...the trackpoint end is round.

That's what all the fuss is about.[/strike]

FFS I've gotta read more before I post. I too (this edit being made after below post was posted) find it hard to believe they'd fit a square-holed trackpoint cap on a round stick, but whatever.
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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 15:36:29 »
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The Unicomp made M13s/Endurapros have a round plastic trackpoint stick just as shown in the pic.  It's typical Unicomp engineering.  Not pretty but it works.

M13 pics in my sig.


Really? I looked at the M13 pics in your SIG but couldn't clearly see it.  So Unicomp sells the normal square bottom caps pictured below (from the Unicomp web site) and these fit on a round post? Really Really?


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« Reply #21 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 15:52:27 »
Just jumping in here to say that these are a steal. Nice find elbowglue.

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 16:04:20 »
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Strange part number is strange... I wonder if those Endurapros could be rubber dome...

You're right, that part number doesn't look like what I would expect but... did Unicomp make rubber dome Endura Pros? I don't see any on their site but it would be far from the first time that an oddball Unicomp product showed up that wasn't on their web site.

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 18:57:04 »
That Fujitsu looks really dirty.  The high-quality pic doesn't help.
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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 20:22:11 »
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Really? I looked at the M13 pics in your SIG but couldn't clearly see it.  So Unicomp sells the normal square bottom caps pictured below (from the Unicomp web site) and these fit on a round post? Really Really?

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If I'm seeing that picture right, it's looking like there's a round hole inside the square one so it'll work on a round post.
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« Reply #25 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 20:25:33 »
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If I'm seeing that picture right, it's looking like there's a round hole inside the square one so it'll work on a round post.

I actually think it's a smaller square hole inside the larger square one, better picture:

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 05 July 2010, 20:33:35 »
I've always liked those rough trackpoints. My finger gets a good grip on them.
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« Reply #27 on: Tue, 06 July 2010, 11:09:24 »
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The trackpoint's also not too accurate without its rubber cover.

I was thinking about bidding on one -with- the trackpoint cover.  However when reviewing the description, even those state "Unit is tested and working, but the mouse does not move accurately."  Some how I thought that only applied to the ones missing the cover.  Hmm.  Wonder if it's just the fact that they are the less accurate unicomp force-sensing resistor (vs. the IBM strain gauge) design or if they are broken?

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« Reply #28 on: Tue, 06 July 2010, 15:25:15 »
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Thanks, I just put in an offer for a couple of the trackpoint-button-having ones.

Did you get them? If so have any idea when they'll arrive?

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« Reply #29 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 01:11:58 »
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Did you get them? If so have any idea when they'll arrive?


I did.  They accepted an offer of $16.00 per.  I really hope they're not rubber domed.  Should show up this week or early next.
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« Reply #30 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 09:45:20 »
I bought a few Endura Pros from these seller a couple months ago. 1 worked fine for a couple weeks and then the trackpoint started to drift on it's own. Another keyboard was defective from the start (keys not working). 2 other keyboards tested fine when I received them, but a few weeks ago I tried using them and they did not work at all. All keyboards were dirty. I really don't know what to make of it as I have a lot of keyboards and none gave me half as much trouble as those Enduros. On the other hand, for the price they might be worth the risk.
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« Reply #31 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 09:47:24 »
Drift is an inherent problem with trackpoints.

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« Reply #32 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 09:56:13 »
Just smack the keyboard and the trackpoint'll stop drifting.
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« Reply #33 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 10:36:42 »
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I bought a few Endura Pros from these seller a couple months ago. 1 worked fine for a couple weeks and then the trackpoint started to drift on it's own. Another keyboard was defective from the start (keys not working). 2 other keyboards tested fine when I received them, but a few weeks ago I tried using them and they did not work at all. All keyboards were dirty. I really don't know what to make of it as I have a lot of keyboards and none gave me half as much trouble as those Enduros. On the other hand, for the price they might be worth the risk.


Did he make them good?

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« Reply #34 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 11:43:13 »
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Drift is an inherent problem with trackpoints.


I have IBM M13 that does not drift. Also Enuduro Pro did not drift when I received it. The drift is highly annoying, I would not use a keyboard that had a pointer drift when it's not being touched.
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« Reply #35 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 11:47:00 »
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Did he make them good?


He refunded money for one of they keyboards, as I caught the problem right away. So I would not say it's a bad seller, but be aware that these keyboards had some rough use and might have quality/reliability issues.
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« Reply #36 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 11:54:30 »
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I have IBM M13 that does not drift. Also Enuduro Pro did not drift when I received it. The drift is highly annoying, I would not use a keyboard that had a pointer drift when it's not being touched.


The drift is when it keeps going (usually in the opposite direction) after you let go of it.

'Design flaw' if anything, very common and expected. It auto corrects.

(thread tl;dr, hoping this is the same type of drift)
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« Reply #37 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 11:57:54 »
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The drift is when it keeps going (usually in the opposite direction) after you let go of it.

'Design flaw' if anything, very common and expected. It auto corrects.

(thread tl;dr, hoping this is the same type of drift)

My trackpointers drift sometimes, particularly the older ones, particularly when I'm really using them in great anger, :wink:.  I usually just let it go till it stops drifting, seems to "reset" or something, then I go back to what I'm doing and it's -usually- OK.

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« Reply #38 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 12:05:41 »
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My trackpointers drift sometimes, particularly the older ones, particularly when I'm really using them in great anger, :wink:.  I usually just let it go till it stops drifting, seems to "reset" or something, then I go back to what I'm doing and it's -usually- OK.


Yeah sounds like what I described. If Wikipedia is to be believed, the design incorporates a firmware based thing that detects when it's drifting (constant speed with no changes in pressure I suspect) and stops it. Takes about a full second to stop I believe.
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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 12:07:50 »
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That's more like it.  I like funny trolls better.


That wasn't trolling. It's truthing.

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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 12:18:01 »
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Yeah sounds like what I described. If Wikipedia is to be believed, the design incorporates a firmware based thing that detects when it's drifting (constant speed with no changes in pressure I suspect) and stops it. Takes about a full second to stop I believe.

I read that on Wikipedia as well.  Maybe so, but at least in my case, I have to let it go for that to occur, as long as I keep moving it, it still wants to drift.

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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 12:33:19 »
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I read that on Wikipedia as well.  Maybe so, but at least in my case, I have to let it go for that to occur, as long as I keep moving it, it still wants to drift.


That's how it's designed to work. It can't detect drifting as long as you're changing the amount of force on it (otherwise the drifting motion could be you intentionally moving it). Letting go of it lets the controller recognize the force is not changing so the movement is drift.
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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 12:34:34 »
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That's how it's designed to work. It can't detect drifting as long as you're changing the amount of force on it (otherwise the drifting motion could be you intentionally moving it). Letting go of it lets the controller recognize the force is not changing so the movement is drift.

Then I guess at least in my experience that it works as designed to.

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« Reply #43 on: Wed, 07 July 2010, 12:50:17 »
Well, it shouldn't be drifting enough to notice often anyway...so the drifting correction is working, but if it's drifting frequently the trackpoint may very well be damaged (IBM design - can't speak for the Unicomp design)
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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 08 July 2010, 16:13:56 »
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I did.  They accepted an offer of $16.00 per.  I really hope they're not rubber domed.  Should show up this week or early next.


These got here.  They're in pretty dirty shape, but I'm typing this from one of them and it appears to work fine.  Not sure what they mean by "tracking problem"; the trackpoint appears to work fine on this one.

I also however bought a couple Mighty Mouse keyboards from the same seller.  Those are in worse shape (spacebar doesn't work at all on one).  But TBH I figured I'd be lucky if they keyboards worked, and really just bought those for the SDL cable anyway (I think they were $10 apiece or so).
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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 08 July 2010, 16:15:13 »
Oh, and yes, they are buckling spring models... they seem to have been used in some industrial setting.. custom keycaps too.. things like "ENDI" on rightbracket and "SOE" on backslash.
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« Reply #46 on: Thu, 08 July 2010, 19:08:21 »
Quote from: mcdonc;200791
Oh, and yes, they are buckling spring models... they seem to have been used in some industrial setting.. custom keycaps too.. things like "ENDI" on rightbracket and "SOE" on backslash.

Not familiar with those terms but did a quick google and found them listed in this "Movement Controllers Handbook".  There are likely some better references but this was the first reasonable looking one I found in English.

Offline mcdonc

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« Reply #47 on: Thu, 08 July 2010, 19:33:48 »
Quote from: TexasFlood;200845
Not familiar with those terms but did a quick google and found them listed in this "Movement Controllers Handbook".  There are likely some better references but this was the first reasonable looking one I found in English.


That makes sense, thanks.  It appears to be some sort of airline / passenger service keyboard.

These are the first EnduraPros that I've ever had.  They're not really comparable externally to any IBM or Lexmark Model M I own.

They use 2-piece keycaps (the metallic grey type) for every letter except the letters surrounding the trackpoint (because those keys have an indent where the trackpoint shaft goes) and the Windows and Alt keys, which are all one-piece.  The tops of the 2-piece keycaps are uniformly yellowed; they're not really salvageable except as a dye-job.  The 1-piece keytops are not yellowed very much if at all.  But in general, this particular keyboard is from 2006 and I have keycaps from 1986 that look a lot better.

The case is a lot less sturdy (I ruined one putting it through the dishwasher even though I didn't let it go into the dry cycle).  It warped a bit.  I managed to chip off a bit next to the mouse buttons while putting it back together too.  Pretty bad.

On the other hand, this thing is great to type on.  Really excellent.  Maybe better than any other Model M I own (likely due to newness).

I wish, though that Unicomp didn't need to give in to the pressure of the market to offer this cheaper variant, because, it's.. well.. kinda cheap.  I think I might keep one of these and try to resell two of them on on EBay.  Or give them to friends.  Or something.
Owned: bunches of Model Ms,  Model F AT, Dell AT101W, Amiga 500.

Offline TexasFlood

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« Reply #48 on: Thu, 08 July 2010, 19:37:59 »
Quote from: mcdonc;200852
That makes sense, thanks.  It appears to be some sort of airline / passenger service keyboard.

These are the first EnduraPros that I've ever had.  They're not really comparable externally to any IBM or Lexmark Model M I own.

They use 2-piece keycaps (the metallic grey type) for every letter except the letters surrounding the trackpoint (because those keys have an indent where the trackpoint shaft goes) and the Windows and Alt keys, which are all one-piece.  The tops of the 2-piece keycaps are uniformly yellowed; they're not really salvageable except as a dye-job.  The 1-piece keytops are not yellowed very much if at all.  But in general, this particular keyboard is from 2006 and I have keycaps from 1986 that look a lot better.

The case is a lot less sturdy (I ruined one putting it through the dishwasher even though I didn't let it go into the dry cycle).  It warped a bit.  I managed to chip off a bit next to the mouse buttons while putting it back together too.  Pretty bad.

On the other hand, this thing is great to type on.  Really excellent.  Maybe better than any other Model M I own (likely due to newness).

I wish, though that Unicomp didn't need to give in to the pressure of the market to offer this cheaper variant, because, it's.. well.. kinda cheap.  I think I might keep one of these and try to resell two of them on on EBay.  Or give them to friends.  Or something.


Maybe dye it all black?

Offline ch_123

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« Reply #49 on: Thu, 08 July 2010, 20:09:54 »
I don't think it's yellowing - I'm convinced that Unicomp dyes their beige keycaps grey, and you can see the original colour coming through.