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Offline dandruff

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 20:05:42 »
Was excited for JTK Soju. Now? Not so much. Never take the easy route


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Well, really quick... I want to address this.
1. What happens if my set sold 1000 of the 3000, and 3-4 designs failed to do the rest of the 2000? Becaues of other's designs, my set would not run.
2. ePBT allowed for a lot of the changes that people requested. For example, JTK would not allow me to remove the top hangul legends nor have a 40s kit.
3. It is not the issue of easy or not, it's the reassurance that my set will be able to run and if it fails, it'll be on me and not factors that I had no control over.
1. Based off of previous and upcoming sets, itís pretty easy to get a general consensus of what people like and buy. Maybe communicating with other creators and brainstorming what could fill that 2000 margin?
2. On the other hand, a lot of people like myself think the Hangul sublegends looked great on this set. Really great!
3. Why would it be better to fail on your own, rather than trying to put out a top quality product that could be centerpieces to a lot of peopleís collections? Maybe itís just an opinion thing.
Oh and are there still Peach F Keys? I saw a render with them but didnít see them in the kits


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Well I'm not a huge fan of constantly bumping up my own thread, so I apologize!
Anyways...
1. Finding designers who want to work with JTK tripleshot Hangul is not as easy as you think. I do not have a say in their designs. Realistically, I can wait until maybe 5-6 designs are up and we easily reach the 3000; however, that will push back manufacturing time to probably late 2022, and GB run mid 2021. Personally, for my first set, that is quite absurd.
2. Hangul sublegends are still there, but I had a ton of feedback on removing the top sublegends on the keys due to cluster and most Koreans not preferring it. Realistically, my original design did not include the top sublegends as I agree with them; however, JTK molds restricted me to include them.
3. What makes ePBT not as "high quality" as JTK? I'd argue it's much more popular and can still be part of people's collections... This is definitely an opinion thing as the feedback I received on my 2nd IC form resulted in this:

If majority of the people preferred JTK, I would not have switched it. IC forms are there for a reason.


And the F-keys as in F5-F8 are still there in the accent kits, top row.


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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 20:24:24 »
The 40s kit is looking really great now with the rework! GLWIC!

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« Reply #52 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 20:25:53 »
Either way, good job on the set! Itís just a shame, is all.


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« Reply #53 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 20:44:03 »
Def joining!! Peach kit just too cute

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« Reply #54 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 23:06:20 »
Dandruff <3 Congrats on settling on a manufacturer. Good luck!

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« Reply #55 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 00:28:20 »
Disappointed this went ePBT. I won't be joining then, but good luck with IC and GB

Offline hammerbrotha

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« Reply #56 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 00:43:08 »
Really digging this set, love it. I'm in.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:14:41 »
Looking forward to this, glad to see more ePBT sets.

Offline BapoDonu

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:22:07 »
Looks hot would only like to see the peach accents have the lighter shade of green rather than the dark owo

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:47:14 »
JTK honestly would be a far better choice, ePBT hasn't been too interesting tbh

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 21:40:30 »
I think it's a great set and ePBT is fine. I'm not sure why everyone is making a point of letting you know they don't like it. It's literally kinder and easier to just move on and not put a set down.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 23:05:06 »
love this set,, i'm in this for sure! makes me thirsty for some soju..
also, soju Sirius hype :3

Offline dandruff

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[IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 05:20:03 »
Looks hot would only like to see the peach accents have the lighter shade of green rather than the dark owo

Regarding this change, this was definitely taken into consideration, but ultimately, I decided that the dark green looks much better as an accents kit. If I explored the route of having more kits that were oriented around the peach colorway (alphas/mods), I would have went with this; however, as an accent, I decided to ultimately stick with the dark green to have the accent pop out more.

I think it's a great set and ePBT is fine. I'm not sure why everyone is making a point of letting you know they don't like it. It's literally kinder and easier to just move on and not put a set down.

Yeah, based off of the results I got on the form, I am hoping this change will attract more eyes than it is deterring people from it. Based on the results it seemed that ePBT was heavily favored...(Also the signature updated!)

Thank you everyone so far. The support and feedback has been amazing. Also, yeah Iím very excited for all of my collaborations!


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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #63 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 09:22:25 »
Looks great. I really love the peach kit. I'll be waiting for this set.

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« Reply #64 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 12:28:56 »
Want

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 15:32:00 »

2. Hangul sublegends are still there, but I had a ton of feedback on removing the top sublegends on the keys due to cluster and most Koreans not preferring it. Realistically, my original design did not include the top sublegends as I agree with them; however, JTK molds restricted me to include them.

Hey I was just curious, but is there any more info on most Koreans not preferring the superlegends?
Like, was this feedback collected in a separate form given to the Korean mechanical keyboard community or was this from an open discussion elsewhere?

Offline dandruff

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 19:45:26 »
Hey I was just curious, but is there any more info on most Koreans not preferring the superlegends?
Like, was this feedback collected in a separate form given to the Korean mechanical keyboard community or was this from an open discussion elsewhere?

Hey! So pre-IC, I had a few people who knew about it reach out to me to remove it after I added it. When IC started, my first IC form had a very large amount of people provide feedback on removing them (even though I addressed I couldn't). On my 2nd IC form, I was spammed with feedback regarding those legends again. Afterward, I asked vendors/Hangul users in the hobby on their thoughts on it, and in the end, it seems that it was a make-or-break for some Koreans or Hangul enthusiasts whilst not being make-or-break for others.

As someone who does not use Hangul, it seemed right to respond to their feedback in this way.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 02:14:11 »
I don't like green but the render looks AMAZING!
Good Job guys

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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 03:46:44 »
So nice, but group buy date too long

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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 05:36:14 »
GL, Dandruff! Looking forward to actually buy this set!

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« Reply #70 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 06:37:11 »
Will be picking this up, hopefully there is a r2 one day with grapefruit. Would of been interesting to see responses in an IC on peoples favourite flavour/mod colour.

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« Reply #71 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 06:47:03 »
GL, Dandruff! Looking forward to actually buy this set!

Thank youuuu this means a ton! Already count me in for maestro!

Will be picking this up, hopefully there is a r2 one day with grapefruit. Would of been interesting to see responses in an IC on peoples favourite flavour/mod colour.

Yeah, so when I first designed it, I had all the flavors, but obviously it wasnít reasonable either due to manu cost or MOQ for each one. Green Grape is my favorite flavor, and Peach seemingly was the most popular overall. Flavors that I considered in the running were grapefruit, Yakult, and Fresh, but ultimately settled with 2 accents. If the run goes well, I will most definitely consider a R2!


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« Reply #72 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 07:59:52 »
Great looking set, but EPBT makes it a no for me.

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« Reply #73 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 08:20:23 »
Great looking set, but EPBT makes it a no for me.
1) If it's a no then you don't really have to make a point of saying it.
2) Why do you not like ePBT? Many people seem to be GMK or nothing which only serves to make the hobby less approachable.

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« Reply #74 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 09:00:24 »
Great looking set, but EPBT makes it a no for me.
1) If it's a no then you don't really have to make a point of saying it.
2) Why do you not like ePBT? Many people seem to be GMK or nothing which only serves to make the hobby less approachable.

1) I do have to make a point of saying it, it's important that you know you're losing potential buyers for going with epbt
2) Recent epbt sets have suffered from egregious warping issues to the point where their 1u caps were warped. I wasn't suggesting that the set should be GMK, but I wouldn't buy anything epbt right now and many other feel the same way. It would be a buy for me if it was infinikey.

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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 10:45:09 »
1) I do have to make a point of saying it, it's important that you know you're losing potential buyers for going with epbt
2) Recent epbt sets have suffered from egregious warping issues to the point where their 1u caps were warped. I wasn't suggesting that the set should be GMK, but I wouldn't buy anything epbt right now and many other feel the same way. It would be a buy for me if it was infinikey.
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I suppose that makes sense. Why is Infinikey so trusted?

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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 11:30:40 »
Great looking set, but EPBT makes it a no for me.
1) If it's a no then you don't really have to make a point of saying it.
2) Why do you not like ePBT? Many people seem to be GMK or nothing which only serves to make the hobby less approachable.

1) I do have to make a point of saying it, it's important that you know you're losing potential buyers for going with epbt
2) Recent epbt sets have suffered from egregious warping issues to the point where their 1u caps were warped. I wasn't suggesting that the set should be GMK, but I wouldn't buy anything epbt right now and many other feel the same way. It would be a buy for me if it was infinikey.
Although I/they may be wrong, if warping is the main issue why ePBT is driven away, I contacted them and obviously thereís a chance of itís just PR, but they said warping should be fixed from Ivory and on. So when Ivory fully ships, weíll all see if warping is an issue! If it is true, itíll be very reassuring for me.

Also, based on the results I got, it does seem that going with JTK would have encouraged less buyers than ePBT would. So regardless of which manufacturer I went with, Iíd be technically ďlosingĒ buyers. Impossible to please everyone.


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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 11:39:43 »
1) I do have to make a point of saying it, it's important that you know you're losing potential buyers for going with epbt
2) Recent epbt sets have suffered from egregious warping issues to the point where their 1u caps were warped. I wasn't suggesting that the set should be GMK, but I wouldn't buy anything epbt right now and many other feel the same way. It would be a buy for me if it was infinikey.

I suppose that makes sense. Why is Infinikey so trusted?
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It's not that they're so trusted, it's that epbt has been so **** lately.

Great looking set, but EPBT makes it a no for me.
1) If it's a no then you don't really have to make a point of saying it.
2) Why do you not like ePBT? Many people seem to be GMK or nothing which only serves to make the hobby less approachable.

1) I do have to make a point of saying it, it's important that you know you're losing potential buyers for going with epbt
2) Recent epbt sets have suffered from egregious warping issues to the point where their 1u caps were warped. I wasn't suggesting that the set should be GMK, but I wouldn't buy anything epbt right now and many other feel the same way. It would be a buy for me if it was infinikey.
Although I/they may be wrong, if warping is the main issue why ePBT is driven away, I contacted them and obviously thereís a chance of itís just PR, but they said warping should be fixed from Ivory and on. So when Ivory fully ships, weíll all see if warping is an issue! If it is true, itíll be very reassuring for me.

Also, based on the results I got, it does seem that going with JTK would have encouraged less buyers than ePBT would. So regardless of which manufacturer I went with, Iíd be technically ďlosingĒ buyers. Impossible to please everyone.


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The last I saw from them they were telling people that they got new molds for their mods not even realizing that their 1u keys were warping as well. It would be great if they did actually fix their issues, but I'd have to see it for myself to purchase any epbt.

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« Reply #78 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 11:48:24 »
The last I saw from them they were telling people that they got new molds for their mods not even realizing that their 1u keys were warping as well. It would be great if they did actually fix their issues, but I'd have to see it for myself to purchase any epbt.

As far as Iím concerned from my conversation with them and what I said, their newest molds will be apparent in Ivory which hasnít shipped yet, right? How can you be so set on their warping on something that hasnít been in-hand. But I guess weíll both see! Hopefully the production of the next few ePBT sets come out successful to help you give ePBT another chance!

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« Reply #79 on: Fri, 23 October 2020, 17:07:59 »
dandruff!! love the novelties, the colour scheme will look really great for the artisan/deskmat collabs. glwgb!

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« Reply #80 on: Sat, 24 October 2020, 02:43:53 »
any possibility for colemak kit?

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« Reply #81 on: Sat, 24 October 2020, 06:29:09 »
any possibility for colemak kit?

Likely not due to this set's theme of Soju, hangul in Colemak layout simple does not exist (to my knowledge), and Colemak Latin legends alone would end up disregarding the sublegend idea. Also out of all the responses I received for IC, the demand is not there; I believe your comment was the first to ask for it :(. Sorryyy