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[IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Custom UPDATE 12.01.2021
« on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:33:13 »
Welcome all! You are greeted by Santigo Custom and our brand new first project done as a part of a team. For those is not familiar with me, I’m renowned for making custom cables (vintage and paracord) and taking part in manufacturing and painting Lyra keyboard.
It’s been a while since we formed a small team with bizunow currently being a lead designer. Everybody had a plenty of ideas and concepts in the world of mechanical keyboards. And today we want to present one of those ideas. It’s uncommon and probably unique of its kind 60% keyboard. I hope you appreciate all efforts put in this project.





Google Form - https://forms.gle/qMajJpBkqBsrjbff7




WHO ARE WE?

Santigo Studio is the team of close friends who have known each other for a long period of time and who create projects in the field of mechanical keyboards. By working hard and putting all efforts from our PCB designer and all keyboard designers we produce products, which definitely won’t leave anyone indifferent


 

HOW DOES IT HAPPEN?
I’m the owner of two CNC machines (HAAS & Mazak) and because of this I can provide the best price for consumers and control the process of manufacturing myself specifically talking of:
• Case manufacturing
• Sandblast processing
• Quality control
• Packing process
• Anodizing Process or Coating (Cerakote)
90% of all manufacturing process is done locally in Europe, and only PCBs will be produced in China. You don’t need to worry about that because we cooperate with proven Chinese factory. In Lyra’s GB everything ended swimmingly.




I want to devote this paragraph to plate set in our board. It was challenging for us to make exactly Leaf spring plate since we wanted to achieve even flex spreading and the main aim was to have PCB and switches not contacting with the bottom of the board. We’ve spent so much time testing and trying different materials such as aluminum, POM, PC, brass, carbon, ABS and we came up with an idea that non-spring POM and spring carbon fiber are the best options to be used in the plates of our keyboards. Those materials are both flexible and hard, that keep their form and provide spring function, unlike aluminum or brass, which we’ve considered as unsuitable. On the photo you can clearly see that springs are spread equally on the carbon fiber plate. We’ve also tried swapping them, expanded and narrowed them down until we achieved the best possible result.






So the specs are:
   • Manufactured by SantiGo studio in EU  Design bizunow
   • Plate mounting style – something similar to sandwich mount (because plate has special cutout where it will be put and pressed between top and bottom, top and bottom between themselves)
   • Material: Aluminum case 60xx series
   • Carbon fiber leaf-spring plate (regular / half)
          • POM plate (regular / half )
   • PCB: type  C daughterboard
   • Colors:  Black and Silver
   • Layout: 60% with both ANSI and ISO variants available. As an extra option we have 3 different available HHKB/WKL/Regular. You can find the price below.
   • Typing angle: 6.5°
   • Interface – USB Type-C





KIT costs 220 euro and includes:
• 1x – Case (Top and Bottom)
• 1x – PCB Plain C daughterboard
• 2x Plate – One plate Carbon fiber Leaf spring or regular or Half depending on your choice and one POM plate regular.
• 2x – Two foams (from felt): one for bottom, second between PCB and plate
• 80x – Switch films from my friend the_mihalich
• 6x – Screws м2
• 8x – Board legs (4 black 4 with skull image (huge thank to T0mb3ry for boneyard picture)


Extra options that can be bought separately:
• TOP – HHKB/Regular/WKL – 45 euro
• PCB – 30 euro
• PLATE – POM or Carbon fiber Leaf spring (regular / half)  – 25 euro
• Cerakote Coat -  35 eur
• Cable Vintage by SantiGo grey or black (coil 25cm and 1 metr for keyboard Type C like PCB) - 35 eur  ONLY 1 cable with 1 Keyboard



Amount of keyboards is limited – 150 kits and 100 extra tops.
The slots for the GB will be allocated by - FCFS




           
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• Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/santigo_customsss/



Shipment and delivery time:
Worldwide shipment with Ukrainian post – 20 euro with track or Italian – price from 30 up to 55 euro.




Top and Layout

HHKB Regular WKL






Prototype Images

              
                
                
                  







After sandblasting
        








Video how work Leaf-spring fiber Carbon plate





« Last Edit: Mon, 11 January 2021, 17:17:45 by SantiGo »

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Custom - Updated 07.01.2021 Cerakote
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:33:40 »
Updated 27.12.2020


-  Anodizing will only be black and gray ...  But there will be an additional service Cerakote the price and a photo using the example of the Lyra Keyboard  Colors sample + photo already painted Lyra (project by @alexbarb  ) - https://imgur.com/a/85pIqrj

 - We changed the Legs and made them square at the bottom like a switch 14x14 mm ...
-  Why is that? - I really liked the idea and I have not seen anyone like them, I hope you will like them too. Then we will have in the whale Legs with the theme of GMK Boneyard and its scoop - Thanks to @T0mb3ry for providing the art and the right to use them, and the second ones in the set will be black or gray silicone .. Photo Botom new Legs and  skull - https://imgur.com/a/GHSrcFI


- I want to know your opinion which is better FCFS or Raffle - https://forms.gle/jfMtGE7gyqpvUGfq7


 - add on Grey and Bclack 1 cable for one 1 Keyboard size 25cm coil, side keyboard 10cm , side PC 1 metr Type C - https://imgur.com/a/KF8xtwd


PRICE FOR KIT:

KIT costs 220 euro and includes:
• 1x – Case (Top and Bottom)
• 1x – PCB Plain C daughterboard
• 2x Plate – One plate Carbon fiber Leaf spring or regular or Half depending on your choice and one POM plate regular.
• 2x – Two foams (from felt): one for bottom, second between PCB and plate
• 80x – Switch films from my friend the_mihalich
• 6x – Screws м2
• 8x – Board legs (4 black 4 with skull image (huge thank to T0mb3ry for boneyard picture)


Extra options that can be bought separately:
• TOP – HHKB/Regular/WKL – 45 euro
• PCB – 30 euro
• PLATE – POM or Carbon fiber Leaf spring (regular / half)  – 25 euro
• Cerakote Coat -  35 eur
• Cable Vintage by SantiGo grey or black (coil 25cm and 1 metr for keyboard Type C like PCB) - 35 eur  ONLY 1 cable with 1 Keyboard


-GB DATA - SOON
-Plate files will be available after GB
- typing Soon



Updated  07.01.2021 Cerakote
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Hello everyone, the preliminary Cerakote colors that will be available for selection in GB:


 1 - BLACK CHERRY     H-319
2 -  AZTEC TEAL              H-349
3 -  PLATINUM GREY        H-337
4 – Rose Gold                  H-327
5 – Polar Blue                  H-326
6 - PINK CHAMPAGNE       H – 311
7 - COPPER BROWN         H-149
8 - BRIGHT PURPLE          H – 217
9-  LIGHT SAND               H-142
10 Cobalt                         H-112
                                                                                                                                                                             

You can check what the colors look after coat in  the website https://www.cerakote.com/shop/cerakote-coating



Updated  12.01.2021
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ate and time of the group buy will be announced in our discord server, so stay tuned.

 1. PCB - As you might remember, the initial plan was to go with Plain-C PCB by Evi. Unfortunately, she have changed her plans, and don't have a time for this project right now.
However, we found even better solution and will work with our two friends you might know from their GitHub and other resources. So let me introduce you keyten  and  Bit Vadol  You can see the photos of their past works below.
The Monoflex PCB will have an astonishing wiring you will instantly love and we are working on it right now.


 2. Website - We build a website you can look at right now, to prepare for GB moment:  https://santigo.com.ua/
As long as our paperwork will be approved by payment gateway, we will know the date of GB.
If you have any questions or suggestions for a website, please contact us on discord server

 3. Group buy - GB will be FCFS, kits are limited to 150 + 150 Extra tops.
IMPORTANT! Only 1 kit and 1 extra top allowed per one person. Selling spots will lead to permanent ban for this and all our future group buys.
Plate CAD files will be publicly available after GB.

4. Shipment\ - we are currently negotiating with different international companies like UPS and DHL, as well as with Ukrposhta Ukrainian post. Estimated cost is 30-35 EUR for worldwide shipping

P.S. I screwed up the audio on typing demo, the new video will be recorded this week



Example Work

 

« Last Edit: Mon, 11 January 2021, 17:24:08 by SantiGo »

Offline epyllion

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:36:59 »
Oh man, this looks awesome! I really like the estimated price as well.

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:37:23 »
The typing demo, can't hear anything.



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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:37:52 »
This keyboard looks very good for the price. GLWIC  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:38:39 »
A nice gesture to include switch films. Leaf spring plate treeleaf approved
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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:40:21 »
Oh man, this looks awesome! I really like the estimated price as well.


Thank you .. the price will remain 99%

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:41:56 »
The typing demo, can't hear anything.

this is not taiping .. it will be soon) its Video how work Leaf-spring fiber Carbon plate

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:42:11 »
A nice gesture to include switch films. Leaf spring plate treeleaf approved

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:44:08 »
Well...the price...is stunning.
I'm in!

The storm is coming.



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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:53:18 »
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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 16:56:03 »
Interested.

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 17:02:40 »
Sounds interesting.
It is great that board will have daughter board and  USB port will not flex during typing!

What are the color options?

Also, manufacturing process will take place in Ukraine? By Ukrainian Post you mean NovaPoshta or Ukrposhta?

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 17:07:57 »
 ... I just have the opportunity to send via Ukrainian mail, which is much cheaper than Italian mail ... I can also use new mail no problems )

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 17:12:51 »
This looks decent, though I'd definitely prefer getting the board (top + bottom), 1 plate and PCB for a lower price. Don't see a point in having another plate and all that other "extra" stuff. Would rather pay less than have things I do not really need / trust.

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 17:52:56 »
This looks decent, though I'd definitely prefer getting the board (top + bottom), 1 plate and PCB for a lower price. Don't see a point in having another plate and all that other "extra" stuff. Would rather pay less than have things I do not really need / trust.


Hello.
As you can see, this kit includes two plates: a carbon leaf spring based plate and a POM plate.
POM plate doesn't include any springs, because it's soft and sounds and dampens completely different from the carbon one.
That was the idea in the first place - provide decent flexibility without increasing the price of the product. So, the community could give us more feedback - we want to improve our designs even more.

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 18:20:38 »
I like this!
23h18 - photekq: hhkb with silenced realforce sliders and lubricated well is
23h18 - photekq: the best switch i've used

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 18:31:11 »
Ty man  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 18:48:24 »
would like to see seamless, but it' a nice looking board

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 19:03:51 »
Yo fam what lens did you use to take those photos?

Looks like either a Zeiss or Helios 44-2 with the swirly bokeh.

Also, love the simplistic design. You got my interest :thumb:

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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 19:24:53 »
Oo yes) its d700+nikkor 1.4 non ai (Vintage) like 1964 years +-...   thank  you :cool:

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 19:27:29 »
would like to see seamless, but it' a nice looking board

thank you for your feedback ... but unfortunately in this th plate seamless is impossible (

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 19:48:20 »
Really Nice!

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 19:55:32 »
will the price change with rising the aluminium commodity price?

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 21 December 2020, 20:20:29 »
pricing is amazing man, GLWIC. def watching out for this

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« Reply #25 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 04:57:54 »
pricing is amazing man, GLWIC. def watching out for this

hi .. the price will not change :)

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« Reply #26 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 06:53:53 »
pricing is amazing man, GLWIC. def watching out for this

Thank you  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 07:13:08 »
Could you make some pictures as to how the plate rests in the bottom of the case?
It looks like it's a complete sandwitch mount as you mentioned but where the plate is leaf spring. I can see a picture of it resting in the top of the case, but not where it's sitting in the bottom.

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 07:17:50 »
Could you make some pictures as to how the plate rests in the bottom of the case?
It looks like it's a complete sandwitch mount as you mentioned but where the plate is leaf spring. I can see a picture of it resting in the top of the case, but not where it's sitting in the bottom.

I will soon shoot a video of how it all works + taiping test with POM and fiber Carbon plate :thumb:

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« Reply #29 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 08:03:54 »
Nice looking keyboard, with an appealing price. What are the cerakote options, is there a website or something where we can pick a color we like?

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« Reply #30 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 10:40:47 »
Count me in :thumb:

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« Reply #31 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 10:57:27 »
Would you be able to provide USD pricing?

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« Reply #32 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 11:23:54 »
Wow, this looks really interesting to me, especially for that low of a price point, gj :thumb:
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« Reply #33 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 12:02:27 »
interested

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« Reply #34 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 14:49:44 »

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #35 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 15:11:04 »
Looks nice, filled out the IC.

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« Reply #36 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 15:45:57 »
I love the design, i was looking for a 60% and this pop out. I'm interested ;)

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« Reply #37 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 19:49:35 »
slick design at a great price from a reputable gb runner is a winning combination in my book  :thumb: also curious, do you know what the front height of the keyboard is?

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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 22 December 2020, 21:41:44 »
Looks great, can't wait to see where this goes.

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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 00:50:46 »
Would you be able to provide USD pricing?

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=exchange+rate

I guess I'm more curious on what pricing would be if there's regional vendors because vendors don't always go one to one with exchange rates. Of course if this runs straight through SantiGo then it should be about $270, which is still excellent :)
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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 06:27:32 »

Shipment and delivery time:
Worldwide shipment with Ukrainian post – 20 euro with track or Italian – price from 30 up to 55 euro.
IMPORTANT: We will declare lower price so you won’t pay extra taxes. In case of parcel got lost we take all responsibility. (The only exception is when customer wrote wrong address)
We are planning to run a GB in current month for a month. Manufacturing takes from 3 up to 4 months.


FYI --- THIS IS HIGHLY ILLEGAL!!! --- FYI
Declaring items at a lower value to avoid tax is extremely illegal!
Additionally, does this include VAT or not? In the EU, VAT details need to be stated. People have gotten into tons of trouble for not doing so.

Some more back info would've also been useful. Like how you came to own 2 insanely expensive CNC machines, etc.

These are massive red flags that people should consider when looking at this interest check.

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« Reply #41 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 07:18:43 »
Looks really cool and the price seems to be good,
Iso support aswell  :thumb:

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« Reply #42 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 07:20:48 »

Shipment and delivery time:
Worldwide shipment with Ukrainian post – 20 euro with track or Italian – price from 30 up to 55 euro.
IMPORTANT: We will declare lower price so you won’t pay extra taxes. In case of parcel got lost we take all responsibility. (The only exception is when customer wrote wrong address)
We are planning to run a GB in current month for a month. Manufacturing takes from 3 up to 4 months.


FYI --- THIS IS HIGHLY ILLEGAL!!! --- FYI
Declaring items at a lower value to avoid tax is extremely illegal!
Additionally, does this include VAT or not? In the EU, VAT details need to be stated. People have gotten into tons of trouble for not doing so.

Some more back info would've also been useful. Like how you came to own 2 insanely expensive CNC machines, etc.

These are massive red flags that people should consider when looking at this interest check.

Well, Ukraine is not EU though :P
*ok, let me edit this. With not EU I mean not European Union*
« Last Edit: Wed, 23 December 2020, 07:28:17 by Poesjuh »

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #43 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 10:15:38 »
FYI --- THIS IS HIGHLY ILLEGAL!!! --- FYI
Care to elaborate? Kbdfans did it up until covid.

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #44 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 11:40:32 »
FYI --- THIS IS HIGHLY ILLEGAL!!! --- FYI
Care to elaborate? Kbdfans did it up until covid.

In the us it is technically a federal crime, and you are committing about three felonies in the process. If you get caught the buyer is responsible for paying any fines attached. Elsewhere has similar punishments and laws as well. It is a risk.

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #45 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 12:36:49 »

Shipment and delivery time:
Worldwide shipment with Ukrainian post – 20 euro with track or Italian – price from 30 up to 55 euro.
IMPORTANT: We will declare lower price so you won’t pay extra taxes. In case of parcel got lost we take all responsibility. (The only exception is when customer wrote wrong address)
We are planning to run a GB in current month for a month. Manufacturing takes from 3 up to 4 months.


FYI --- THIS IS HIGHLY ILLEGAL!!! --- FYI
Declaring items at a lower value to avoid tax is extremely illegal!
Additionally, does this include VAT or not? In the EU, VAT details need to be stated. People have gotten into tons of trouble for not doing so.

Some more back info would've also been useful. Like how you came to own 2 insanely expensive CNC machines, etc.

These are massive red flags that people should consider when looking at this interest check.


It’s very weird and unintelligible question, but I’ll still try to come up with the answer. I am registered as entrepreneur in Ukraine and I pay taxes there. Besides that, I’ve also discussed that question with my accountant. I live in Italy with my family, 2 children and my lovely wife.
(Why do I live in Italy, while manufacturing is located in Ukraine? I’m sorry, but I can’t provide an answer for this question, because of personal and family circumstances)
I’ve already written that it’s possible for me to set the lower price, but, also, if we have some customs issues, then I TAKE ALL RESPONSIBILITY, when we talk about low price, but not the fact that customer don’t need to pay 10-euro fee from package, that costs 50 euro. I’ve already had 3 successful GBs which includes more than 500 sold cables I’ve never faced with any custom issues.
In fact, you don’t buy whole keyboard, but only its parts. (there are a lot of nuances that need to be considered) Actually, many people decrease parcels price (it’s inappropriate for me to point fingers)
But if customer wants, I’ll declare the actual price and provide all documents required for his country customs

About CNC

Why do you think that they are INSANELY expensive? Are you provided with information what are exact models of CNC machines? Whether they brand new or I bought them used? It’s the first time I have that kind of questions during IC :)
Where did you get the money to run GB? Do you have a car? If yes, then what is model? How much does it cost?
Well, I am 30+ years old, I have a family and I work a lot. I bought those CNC machines more than two years ago, I just couldn’t find Russian-speaking keyboard designer. Or do you really think that I bought those, as you said, “INSANELY expensive” CNC machines just to manufacture 150 keyboard units? And I can say one more thing if you are so interested, I have not paid them in full yet) ^-^

“etc” – what do you mean? What information do you need for IC? Passport scan? Birth certificate? How much money do I pay for food per month?



Mate, I am ready to answer any question according to IC topic. If it’s necessary for you, I can provide photo and video of CNC machines, even with timestamp. But please, be more restrained with “how you came to own 2 cnc machines” and similar. It’s my private matter, how I got the money.



Also, I want to answer to the following question. “Why so cheap?” A lot of people wrote me in PM that I’ll provide low-quality product for such cheap price.

NO! Price doesn’t define quality. Price is defined by, dare I say it, economic of country, where it’ll be manufactured. For example, let’s compare Italy and Ukraine.
Italy:
Salary: 1000+ euro
Utilities: 80+ euro
Rental premises: 1000+ euro
Plus, there are a lot of extra costs such as garbage removal etc.
Ukraine:
Salary: min 100, average 300 euro
Utilities: ~10 euro
Rental premises: 150+ euro

To sum up, I want to say, that if I had manufacturing on Italy, then I would increase price significantly because of high living expenses.
And if I have manufacturing in country with low salaries such as Ukraine, with reduces utilities, then I can provide competitive price.
But if pay 320-350 euro for the SAME keyboard but manufactured in Italy, quality stays the same.
All word brand tries to move to or start up a factory in countries with low salaries – such as Ukraine.

I guess we are done with discussing customs and quality issues, but I am ready to answer if you pm me.

Huge thank to everyone who has left good review. Have a good holiday! 


« Last Edit: Wed, 23 December 2020, 13:05:20 by SantiGo »

Offline SantiGo

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #46 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 12:39:23 »
Looks great, can't wait to see where this goes.

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Thank you very good to hear) :thumb:
« Last Edit: Wed, 23 December 2020, 13:33:57 by SantiGo »

Offline SantiGo

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #47 on: Wed, 23 December 2020, 13:33:29 »
slick design at a great price from a reputable gb runner is a winning combination in my book  :thumb: also curious, do you know what the front height of the keyboard is?
nice to hear thanks .... i will measure it for you
 

Offline 4po11o

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 02:31:47 »
very interesting...

And I don't mean the keyboard...

Don't you think that the fact you, guys, are starting a new project BEFORE shipping the existing one, is a little disappointing, to put it mildly?

Offline 4po11o

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Re: [IC] Keyboard Monoflex 60% by SantiGo Studio
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 03:25:11 »
To sum up, I want to say, that if I had manufacturing on Italy, then I would increase price significantly because of high living expenses.
And if I have manufacturing in country with low salaries such as Ukraine, with reduces utilities, then I can provide competitive price.
But if pay 320-350 euro for the SAME keyboard but manufactured in Italy, quality stays the same.
All word brand tries to move to or start up a factory in countries with low salaries – such as Ukraine.

This is very bad take! I'm not a social justice warrior, but this is bad practice showing us exactly what is wrong with capitalism these days!

You see, people with low salaries are more inclined to do a bad job for a variety of social and economic reasons. Therefore, the quality will not be comparable with the highly paid professionals who are sure that the job that they do is going to feed their families, pay for their homes and medical bills.

Sorry to go to the extreme examples, but do you think that the slavery and the child labour are justified because the end-product becomes cheaper for us? Because "the world companies" use some practices, does not mean they automatically become good, just and fair.

Oh... And also...

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Why do I live in Italy, while manufacturing is located in Ukraine?

Well... I think I know the answer to that question... Italy is much richer country than Ukraine, and the job opportunities are wider, and the salaries are higher, and the social services are better, and the government is less corrupt... Amirite? Am I getting the gist here?