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Offline phinix

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Quality heavy tactile switches
« on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 09:30:21 »
Guys, I've tried first Zealios before, didn't like them.

Tried now Glorious Holy Pandas and love them. However, they have some disadvantages - have that freakin leaf noise and are a bit inconsistent.
But I love them, especially having bump right at the top - i don't like Zealios little travel before bump.

What are other good quality heavy tactile switches options out there?
Can be even heavier than Holy Pandas.
Maybe EVERGLIDE DARK JADE BLACK?
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Offline Krunchy

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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 09 February 2021, 19:32:43 »
For heavy tactiles, the heaviest I've found are still Alps blacks.  They take a good amount of force to actuate and the bump is borderline clicky.  Not so good if you're trying to build an MX mount board, though.

C3 kiwis and cannonkeys lilac tactiles feel similar to the Holy Pandas with the rounded bump at the top and I've had my eye on those Gateron kangaroo inks too, which seem to have a sharper bump, also at the top.

I've only recently started going in hard on tactiles and I like a nice pronounced bump and heavier feel.  With that in mind, the three I mentioned are three I liked using a switch sampler, but hopefully someone who has used them in a full board can chime in too.
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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 10 February 2021, 22:31:26 »
I have just received a sample of Boba U4T (the non silent version of the U4), these are amazing. 

Zero leaf / spring noise, Iím pretty sure the spring is lubed, but the switch itself is bone dry, yet still smooth with no binding.
Very minimal wobble, very close to my BOX pinks, and the housing is very tight, no play.
The tactility itself is very snappy, itís a P profile, but a rounder and longer than the T1 for example..

Iím not a tactile person so Iíve only got a T1 sample (and MX brown) to compare.
The U4T is a fantastic switch, putting aside the tactility, it feels very high quality, honestly puts the T1 to shame, with its high leaf/spring noise and loose clicking housing.

Only downside (to my taste) is the sound, the U4T tries to mimic the Holy Panda thock(?) with a long stem, I prefer the sound of the T1 but Iíd still get the U4T, not sure how itís not popular with its (relatively) affordable price.

Ended up a bit long like a review, hope it helps you.

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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 06:35:02 »
For heavy tactiles, the heaviest I've found are still Alps blacks.  They take a good amount of force to actuate and the bump is borderline clicky.  Not so good if you're trying to build an MX mount board, though.

C3 kiwis and cannonkeys lilac tactiles feel similar to the Holy Pandas with the rounded bump at the top and I've had my eye on those Gateron kangaroo inks too, which seem to have a sharper bump, also at the top.

I've only recently started going in hard on tactiles and I like a nice pronounced bump and heavier feel.  With that in mind, the three I mentioned are three I liked using a switch sampler, but hopefully someone who has used them in a full board can chime in too.

I always wanted to try Alps. I guess I need to find some cheaper board and buy it.

I have just received a sample of Boba U4T (the non silent version of the U4), these are amazing. 

Zero leaf / spring noise, Iím pretty sure the spring is lubed, but the switch itself is bone dry, yet still smooth with no binding.
Very minimal wobble, very close to my BOX pinks, and the housing is very tight, no play.
The tactility itself is very snappy, itís a P profile, but a rounder and longer than the T1 for example..

Iím not a tactile person so Iíve only got a T1 sample (and MX brown) to compare.
The U4T is a fantastic switch, putting aside the tactility, it feels very high quality, honestly puts the T1 to shame, with its high leaf/spring noise and loose clicking housing.

Only downside (to my taste) is the sound, the U4T tries to mimic the Holy Panda thock(?) with a long stem, I prefer the sound of the T1 but Iíd still get the U4T, not sure how itís not popular with its (relatively) affordable price.

Ended up a bit long like a review, hope it helps you.


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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 06:47:00 »
I can recommend box switches but I always tend to steer away from box tactiles e.g royals, browns etc, for the sole reason that they like to click when they're not supposed to (even my box silent browns do and it drives me crazy).

A few people have said that the u4ts are a no brainer in terms of value, and also produce a lower frequency, but I haven't tried yet as I'm in the UK and it's currently hard to get them at a good price :(.

If you had the money, you could also try making Zykos etc...

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 08:28:31 »
I have just received a sample of Boba U4T (the non silent version of the U4), these are amazing. 

Zero leaf / spring noise, Iím pretty sure the spring is lubed, but the switch itself is bone dry, yet still smooth with no binding.
Very minimal wobble, very close to my BOX pinks, and the housing is very tight, no play.
The tactility itself is very snappy, itís a P profile, but a rounder and longer than the T1 for example..

Iím not a tactile person so Iíve only got a T1 sample (and MX brown) to compare.
The U4T is a fantastic switch, putting aside the tactility, it feels very high quality, honestly puts the T1 to shame, with its high leaf/spring noise and loose clicking housing.

Only downside (to my taste) is the sound, the U4T tries to mimic the Holy Panda thock(?) with a long stem, I prefer the sound of the T1 but Iíd still get the U4T, not sure how itís not popular with its (relatively) affordable price.

Ended up a bit long like a review, hope it helps you.

For heavy tactiles, the heaviest I've found are still Alps blacks.  They take a good amount of force to actuate and the bump is borderline clicky.  Not so good if you're trying to build an MX mount board, though.

C3 kiwis and cannonkeys lilac tactiles feel similar to the Holy Pandas with the rounded bump at the top and I've had my eye on those Gateron kangaroo inks too, which seem to have a sharper bump, also at the top.

I've only recently started going in hard on tactiles and I like a nice pronounced bump and heavier feel.  With that in mind, the three I mentioned are three I liked using a switch sampler, but hopefully someone who has used them in a full board can chime in too.

I can recommend box switches but I always tend to steer away from box tactiles e.g royals, browns etc, for the sole reason that they like to click when they're not supposed to (even my box silent browns do and it drives me crazy).

A few people have said that the u4ts are a no brainer in terms of value, and also produce a lower frequency, but I haven't tried yet as I'm in the UK and it's currently hard to get them at a good price :(.

If you had the money, you could also try making Zykos etc...

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I think this is what I'm going to try next: Drop Pandas top and stem, Zealios v2 78g buttom and spring.
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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 09:51:51 »
Give blueberries from Novel keys a try. They're a little bit more tactile than zealios. They're fun to type on. No complaints. If you really want something intense, get yourself some box royals. They're too much for me but I know lots of people that like them. They feel a bit like falling off a cliff. Orange alps are a great shout. However, my all time favs are BKE 55g. Tactile perfection.

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 11:32:36 »
Give blueberries from Novel keys a try. They're a little bit more tactile than zealios. They're fun to type on. No complaints. If you really want something intense, get yourself some box royals. They're too much for me but I know lots of people that like them. They feel a bit like falling off a cliff. Orange alps are a great shout. However, my all time favs are BKE 55g. Tactile perfection.

"...feel a bit like falling off a cliff"-  :D  :D

Yeah, I was a topre lover for years, 55g only, but always wanted to try that BKE heavier one to feel a bit more tactile bump. I need to buy R1 and mod it some time.
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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 17:53:35 »
Give blueberries from Novel keys a try. They're a little bit more tactile than zealios. They're fun to type on. No complaints. If you really want something intense, get yourself some box royals. They're too much for me but I know lots of people that like them. They feel a bit like falling off a cliff. Orange alps are a great shout. However, my all time favs are BKE 55g. Tactile perfection.
Crystal Box Royals with springs from either Crystal Box Navies or Sprit Specials 90B both feel great in Royal switches.

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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 20:08:59 »
Give blueberries from Novel keys a try. They're a little bit more tactile than zealios. They're fun to type on. No complaints. If you really want something intense, get yourself some box royals. They're too much for me but I know lots of people that like them. They feel a bit like falling off a cliff. Orange alps are a great shout. However, my all time favs are BKE 55g. Tactile perfection.
Crystal Box Royals with springs from either Crystal Box Navies or Sprit Specials 90B both feel great in Royal switches.

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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 11 February 2021, 21:02:30 »
i've gotta agree that the Box Royals are really TACTILE, but that's also one common complain I've seen, so... maybe order a small batch to try them out. You can also order some springs to make them heavier.

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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 13:41:09 »
I personally love my Hako Trues. I've had them for a few months, and haven't noticed them getting clicky. Weirdly, the ones I bought from Novelkeys are quite different compared to the ones I bought from Kono. The Novelkeys ones have a black bottom housing, the Kono ones white. The main difference though is the feel, the black bottom ones have a very prominent rounded tactile bump, while the white bottoms might actually be less tactile than MX Browns, although that could be due to the rounded tactility of the Hakos making the tactility more hidden.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 12 February 2021, 15:31:05 »
I really want to do now that combo Drop Pandas top and stem, Zealios v2 78g buttom and spring.
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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 15 February 2021, 00:52:51 »
I still use Novelias. Also I love U4T... Love.

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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 16 February 2021, 03:38:44 »
Brown Alps.
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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 16 February 2021, 05:05:20 »
Copy from another Thread:

Holy Bobas, Boba U4T and Zykos -> sharp and round (u4t) bump, really good sound for tactile, really smooth if legs lubed, low wobble with tight housing (not even films are needed)

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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 16 February 2021, 06:51:22 »
I am really impressed by how many flavour-of-the-week MX clones are there.
(...)Whereas back then I wrote about the tyranny of the majority, today I'd combine that with the tyranny of the minorities. These days, you have to be careful of both. They both want to control you. The first group, by making you do the same thing over and over again. The second group is indicated by the letters I get from the Vassar girls who want me to put more women's lib in The Martian Chronicles, or from blacks who want more black people in Dandelion Wine.
I say to both bunches, Whether you're a majority or minority, bug off! To hell with anybody who wants to tell me what to write. Their society breaks down into subsections of minorities who then, in effect, burn books by banning them. All this political correctness that's rampant on campuses is b.s.

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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 20:28:04 »
I was about to start the same thread and saw this. Itís not what I expected though, and I guess that because what is ďheavyĒ is very subjective. For me, the entry point into heavy tactiles is Cherry MX Clears. Halo Royal Clears are not quite heavy and tactile enough, but better.

Iíve tried Cherry MX Clear (too light, not enough tactility), Hako Royal Clear (much better but a little bit too light, also not very smooth), Hako Royal True (similar weighting but less tactile), Outemu Sky 68g (too light), Alps SKCM Black (too light, not enough tactility), and NK Blueberry (too light, too round).

My latest test is 55g Topre, and woah these things are way too light. I have some BLE heavy domes on the way to see if there is an improvement. I hear they are heavier and snappier but Iím skeptical. Maybe I should have gone with the extremes haha.

What I think would be perfect is BOX navy without the click. I really like the tactility of the BOX navy but do not like clicky switches. Could you even make a frankenswitch out of that? I donít know, Iíve never torn switches apart before.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 21:44:19 »
The green and purple pieces as well as shape of the bump on the stem determine the level of tactile behavior.  The Navy stem in the Royal base is tactile, but not as tactile as the Royal stem in Royal base.  The Royal stem in the Navy base is almost linear. 

Another thing to note is the shape of the bump on the stem.  The bump is slightly longer and has a notch in it(Sorry, was too lazy to break out the SLR and macro lens....).

I don't believe it's possible to make a switch with Navy like tactile behavior without a clickbar as I believe the clickbar is what provides most of the Navy's feedback.

To fine tune the sound and feedback of the Navy, you could try different springs, click bars, etc.  Otherwise, you can always try the Box Royal and settle for something less tactile. 

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Re: Quality heavy tactile switches
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 24 February 2021, 22:19:12 »
I was about to start the same thread and saw this. Itís not what I expected though, and I guess that because what is ďheavyĒ is very subjective. For me, the entry point into heavy tactiles is Cherry MX Clears. Halo Royal Clears are not quite heavy and tactile enough, but better.

Iíve tried Cherry MX Clear (too light, not enough tactility), Hako Royal Clear (much better but a little bit too light, also not very smooth), Hako Royal True (similar weighting but less tactile), Outemu Sky 68g (too light), Alps SKCM Black (too light, not enough tactility), and NK Blueberry (too light, too round).

My latest test is 55g Topre, and woah these things are way too light. I have some BLE heavy domes on the way to see if there is an improvement. I hear they are heavier and snappier but Iím skeptical. Maybe I should have gone with the extremes haha.

What I think would be perfect is BOX navy without the click. I really like the tactility of the BOX navy but do not like clicky switches. Could you even make a frankenswitch out of that? I donít know, Iíve never torn switches apart before.

Not a BOX Navy, but try MX Clear stems in a Boba U4 bottom housing / Outemu Clear-Slotted Top Housing, with the spring of your choice. A more angled bottom leaf (e.g. in Boba U4 or T1, or to a lesser extent, MX Blue) really helps make Clears more tactile.