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Offline blur410

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Hello Seattle!
« on: Sat, 13 March 2021, 08:09:07 »
Hi, I'm from Washington and have been into keyboards for about 2 years or so, and finally began supporting some group buys for my boys around the west coast. I look forward to hopefully posting my keeb content along with video games on YouTube.
Keyboard Ownership History: Dynex(Rubber dome chicklet keys)-EXTINCT, Macbook Air 2016(Scissor switch)-ACTIVE, Razer Ornata(Mecha-membrane)-EXTINCT, Corsair K68 RGB(Cherry MX Reds)-RETIRED, Razer Tartarus Pro(Razer optical analog)-RETIRED, Idobao ID-75(NK Creams)-SHELF, HHKB Pro 3 Classic(Topre BKE MX Mount)-ACTIVE, New Model F62(Capacitive buckling springs)-ACTIVE, Realforce 23UB(Topre)-ACTIVE, BM60-RGBEC w/KBDFANS 5 Degree Case(NK BOX Pinks)-SHELF, Focus 2001 (Alps White)-SHELF, Unidentified Vintage MX Black Board-SHELF

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Re: Hello Seattle!
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 13 March 2021, 08:31:30 »
Welcome, always nice to have new members in the community!! What boards are you rocking now?

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Re: Hello Seattle!
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 14 March 2021, 12:32:52 »
Right now I'm daily driving my New Model F62, but I have my ID-75 and HHKB Pro 3 Classic on my desk.
Keyboard Ownership History: Dynex(Rubber dome chicklet keys)-EXTINCT, Macbook Air 2016(Scissor switch)-ACTIVE, Razer Ornata(Mecha-membrane)-EXTINCT, Corsair K68 RGB(Cherry MX Reds)-RETIRED, Razer Tartarus Pro(Razer optical analog)-RETIRED, Idobao ID-75(NK Creams)-SHELF, HHKB Pro 3 Classic(Topre BKE MX Mount)-ACTIVE, New Model F62(Capacitive buckling springs)-ACTIVE, Realforce 23UB(Topre)-ACTIVE, BM60-RGBEC w/KBDFANS 5 Degree Case(NK BOX Pinks)-SHELF, Focus 2001 (Alps White)-SHELF, Unidentified Vintage MX Black Board-SHELF

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Re: Hello Seattle!
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 14 March 2021, 16:14:51 »
Hell yeah, good set of boards!

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Re: Hello Seattle!
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 19 March 2021, 09:43:34 »
Hi blur410. Welcome to Geekhack.

Those new Models F from Ellipse are wonderful, aren't they?  :thumb:

How is using that BM60? Does backspace seem to work pretty well for you without issue? I hadn't seen it before, and it seems like an idea just crazy enough to work.

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Re: Hello Seattle!
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 19 March 2021, 13:50:25 »
The BM60 im getting through a buy on drop, it comes with the encoder pre programmed with the arrow keys and such. Still don't have a case or plate for it, but my Polias should be coming in soon, hoping they are as good as the topre in my HHKB. For my sig, I have it sorted into owned, purchased/waiting, and looking for, sorry if that was confusing.

Do have some minor complaints about Ellipse's N.M.F62, one is that it is super duper heavy, to the point where it is a risk of both damaging itself and things around it at over 9 pounds, or 12.18 thingamajigs in metric, and I have already slightly chipped the paint on a corner after bumping it against my laptop of all things. Also the stabilized keys generally feel like ass and bind when not hit either in the middle or close to the switch side. That and some keys are a bit inconsistent, like my 9 key and Esc key. Hopefully things will start smoothing out after a break in period, but all of the alphanumeric block feels great. Still not sure if I prefer it over my HHKB, but it is a great board, and hopefully the Heavy Grail will be a formidable match upon my desk for when i need a quiet keyboard while gaming

Keyboard Ownership History: Dynex(Rubber dome chicklet keys)-EXTINCT, Macbook Air 2016(Scissor switch)-ACTIVE, Razer Ornata(Mecha-membrane)-EXTINCT, Corsair K68 RGB(Cherry MX Reds)-RETIRED, Razer Tartarus Pro(Razer optical analog)-RETIRED, Idobao ID-75(NK Creams)-SHELF, HHKB Pro 3 Classic(Topre BKE MX Mount)-ACTIVE, New Model F62(Capacitive buckling springs)-ACTIVE, Realforce 23UB(Topre)-ACTIVE, BM60-RGBEC w/KBDFANS 5 Degree Case(NK BOX Pinks)-SHELF, Focus 2001 (Alps White)-SHELF, Unidentified Vintage MX Black Board-SHELF

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Re: Hello Seattle!
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 19 March 2021, 15:39:49 »

Ah, I must have missed that. I saw that the board was just being sold in various places as well.

The F62 is a reproduction, so being gigantic and heavy is part of its appeal. As far as actual physical damage beyond the cosmetic, I don't think that's really going to happen. These boards are made even better than the original. The originals were some kind of unidentified pot metal zinc alloy. These bad boys are solid zinc. I feel confident I could drive railroad spikes with these bad boys and just type with them immediately after. I do believe that Ellipse has said that he was specifically going for reproducing the original/vintage IBM powder coating, which accounts for the cool texture they all have. He has also said that, as a result, it isn't as durable as a standard modern powder coat. I figure my F77s will eventually just look battle damaged and/or I'll refinish them in a few decades or so.

There are guides on how to reseat buckling spring caps and/or adjust the springs on their flippers in order to fix any problems you may have. The process of shipping alone can cause some switches to not even function without adjustment on all buckling spring boards, even the Model M. The first thing to try is to remove any problem switches and pivot the keyboard 90 degrees so that the bottom row/space bar are the highest vertical switches. If any of the springs look to not be center and relatively low (but not entirely against the wall of the barrel), then they may need adjustment to match the others. I, personally, like to get some thin needle nose pliers and just stick them down the barrel almost to the stem of the flipper, grab the spring with it, and gently compress it against the stem of the flipper a few times. If that doesn't ever seem to fix the orientation of the spring, I usually pull the spring back off of the stem a bit by hand and try it again. Once all of the springs look about the same, then you can slip the caps on with the springs still floating where they should be in the barrel (with the keyboard still tilted).

Put the keyboard back on your desk and test. You may need to try it a few times until you get it right.

I have heard of people lubing the stabilizer inserts for this reason. I haven't noticed a problem with mine, but I'm apparently not very picky about stabilizers to begin with besides very much preferring Costar to Cherry in terms of feel (without modification).

Topre's pretty nice, buttery smooth. Personally, if I needed a quiet keyboard, I would probably go with dampened Alps or Matias switches for typing. I use thunderous clickies everywhere though. For gaming, I use regular old MX red. They're just good enough, and linears are linears, so I haven't had enough reason to change anything there.

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Re: Hello Seattle!
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 20 March 2021, 02:15:57 »
Well I wouldn't say that Topre is particularly silent in the case of a basic HHKB, but it is very quiet and not intrusive in its noises(the little plink and thock sounds) and I am hoping Norbauer's case makes it sound even better. Having something quiet but enjoyable is key for someone who plays games with voice comms(although lately I've been gaming with a friend who also likes keyboards and doesn't mind the sound of a model f's ping) and could be live streaming or recording videos. Add to that I also happen to like some rubber dome boards, like the Ornata and Apple Scissor switches. Having them in a crisper, lighter form with partway actuation just feels superb particularly compared to the Ornata, which my sister is now using and seems to enjoy over her old rubber dome board, probably just due to the light show.

Havent found a ton of Alps mount PCB's readily available and even if I did, getting switches is a massive pain and occasionally expensive these days, partly due to Chyrosran22. Probably him buying up all the alps stuff solely lol.

Also I found out that the New Model F looses Nkey rollover if you use an adapter to USB C. Unfortunate, as I would have liked to have just one cable wired on my desk that I could just use to swap keyboards at will. Luckily only 2 games I play infrequently rely on having Nkey rollover for best performance. I'll be testing some aviator connector cables next to see if the issue can be rectified and I can swap by just screwing/unscrewing a parallel connector standard. Chance is that I won't be able to get it to do Nkey rollover without the stock cable. Though I could find a good beige paracord or PET sleeve and carefully edge it over a connector with some heat shrink to hold it in place for a more homogenous look.

EDIT: I do have to add after taking out my old Corsair board that the polycarb RGB housing reds feel a lot smoother than the nylon housings. And linears are optimal for keyspamming.
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Keyboard Ownership History: Dynex(Rubber dome chicklet keys)-EXTINCT, Macbook Air 2016(Scissor switch)-ACTIVE, Razer Ornata(Mecha-membrane)-EXTINCT, Corsair K68 RGB(Cherry MX Reds)-RETIRED, Razer Tartarus Pro(Razer optical analog)-RETIRED, Idobao ID-75(NK Creams)-SHELF, HHKB Pro 3 Classic(Topre BKE MX Mount)-ACTIVE, New Model F62(Capacitive buckling springs)-ACTIVE, Realforce 23UB(Topre)-ACTIVE, BM60-RGBEC w/KBDFANS 5 Degree Case(NK BOX Pinks)-SHELF, Focus 2001 (Alps White)-SHELF, Unidentified Vintage MX Black Board-SHELF

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Re: Hello Seattle!
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 22 March 2021, 13:31:57 »
Well I wouldn't say that Topre is particularly silent in the case of a basic HHKB, but it is very quiet and not intrusive in its noises(the little plink and thock sounds) and I am hoping Norbauer's case makes it sound even better. Having something quiet but enjoyable is key for someone who plays games with voice comms(although lately I've been gaming with a friend who also likes keyboards and doesn't mind the sound of a model f's ping) and could be live streaming or recording videos. Add to that I also happen to like some rubber dome boards, like the Ornata and Apple Scissor switches. Having them in a crisper, lighter form with partway actuation just feels superb particularly compared to the Ornata, which my sister is now using and seems to enjoy over her old rubber dome board, probably just due to the light show.

It is silent compared to my box thick clicks, Alps, Matias, and capacitive buckling spring boards. I'm using box navies with a steel plate and aluminum case and rattly Costar stabs (Das Pro 4) right now.  :p

It has been a while since I have really used mine (55g Realforce), since I really only picked it up to try them, but they seemed quieter than your average rubber dome. I couldn't comment on the Norbauer cases myself, especially when it comes to Topre. I actually kind of like how my F ATs sound, though I love how My F107 and F77 sound as well. The F AT is lower-pitched and lower-volume. It pings, but it is muted, probably because of the voluminous plastic case. The 4704 boards are noticeably louder and more pingy.

I rarely talk on a mic anymore outside of work, when I do I use a headset that mutes the mic when I fold it up into the earcup though, or use push to talk. I think I set up a foot pedal to do push to talk, since I already had some for ancient boards to map to the missing Windows key. I use a Corsair K70 with MX reds for games still though, so those don't really make any noise besides when bottoming out. I sort of want to use clickies for gaming, but I think it would wreck immersion. I know it did with capacitive buckling spring, and that's something that can at least be perceived as light tactility, but the sound was enough to make me go back to linears. I don't think I bottom them out very hard when gaming either way.

I haven't felt any modern dome switches I particularly like, especially scissor switches. There were some laptops that were ok, and my first desktop came with scissor switches for some reason. I did like that board, initially, but then I discovered mechanicals. I do like some vintage dome with slider mechanisms. NMB dome with slider is actually quite nice, not far off of Topre to my senses. Fujitsu Peerless and Focus dome with slider I like the most of the lot because they're attempting sharp tactility and clickiness (they don't do so great at the clicky part, but I do like them more than most tactiles, including all MX and clones).

I gave a Rosewill board with something like Outemu blues in it to a coworker as a Christmas gift. They seem to like it a lot, but I can tell her husband does seem to primarily be enthused with the RGB LEDs, like your sister.


Havent found a ton of Alps mount PCB's readily available and even if I did, getting switches is a massive pain and occasionally expensive these days, partly due to Chyrosran22. Probably him buying up all the alps stuff solely lol.

Chyros' videos definitely haven't helped with availability and pricing of Alps switches. He's probably why capacitive buckling spring has shot way up too on the used market. He goes by the shortened username I mentioned on here, and is pretty active.

Also I found out that the New Model F looses Nkey rollover if you use an adapter to USB C. Unfortunate, as I would have liked to have just one cable wired on my desk that I could just use to swap keyboards at will. Luckily only 2 games I play infrequently rely on having Nkey rollover for best performance. I'll be testing some aviator connector cables next to see if the issue can be rectified and I can swap by just screwing/unscrewing a parallel connector standard. Chance is that I won't be able to get it to do Nkey rollover without the stock cable. Though I could find a good beige paracord or PET sleeve and carefully edge it over a connector with some heat shrink to hold it in place for a more homogenous look.

I can't think of why you would lose N-key just going from micro usb to type c. Have you looked at these? They're pretty popular around these parts. You could put a short micro USB extension in the F77 case, hanging out as a dongle, and have a micro USB magnetic connector on it. Then you could literally use the same cable for all of your relatively modern peripheral and mobile devices. I'm weird and drilled out the case to mount a big GX12 female aviator socket in the case so that I could literally swing the keyboard around above my head and use it as a weapon without the cable failing. I may not do that with the others I end up with. I imagine I have N-key rollover, but I don't use that board for gaming.

EDIT: I do have to add after taking out my old Corsair board that the polycarb RGB housing reds feel a lot smoother than the nylon housings. And linears are optimal for keyspamming.

I imagine the two use different tooling, since the original housings had spots for single color LEDs. The RGB housing might have been made with fresher tooling. I would have to check on my tester again though, because I know that most of the Cherry switches on there felt better than those in the other type of housing, but I forget which.

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Re: Hello Seattle!
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 24 March 2021, 22:47:55 »
Coming back for another added thing, I think a lot of the crunchiness I have felt in my cherry aftermarket switches/boards may have been due to the GMK set I've used for testing every switch, now I have to get a south facing setup, which shouldnt be difficult for my ID75 as I can just flip the board around and reprogram. I do have to comment that I have kind of adopted chyros' preferences in regards to typing as pretty much every keyboard I own now has a different layout(except the alpha block, qwerty masterrace).
Keyboard Ownership History: Dynex(Rubber dome chicklet keys)-EXTINCT, Macbook Air 2016(Scissor switch)-ACTIVE, Razer Ornata(Mecha-membrane)-EXTINCT, Corsair K68 RGB(Cherry MX Reds)-RETIRED, Razer Tartarus Pro(Razer optical analog)-RETIRED, Idobao ID-75(NK Creams)-SHELF, HHKB Pro 3 Classic(Topre BKE MX Mount)-ACTIVE, New Model F62(Capacitive buckling springs)-ACTIVE, Realforce 23UB(Topre)-ACTIVE, BM60-RGBEC w/KBDFANS 5 Degree Case(NK BOX Pinks)-SHELF, Focus 2001 (Alps White)-SHELF, Unidentified Vintage MX Black Board-SHELF