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« Reply #150 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 05:55:27 »
A lot of motherboards these days use USB drives for flashing.

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« Reply #151 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 06:48:08 »
Better mobos have redundant BIOS chips.

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« Reply #152 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 07:25:12 »
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...[MS-DOS] is a real operating system


so ... a ROS? And here I thought it was a DISK operating system...

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(which is the foundation for all windows versions).

no Microsoft guru here, but I'm pretty sure that is untrue. NT?

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« Reply #153 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 07:35:19 »
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Better mobos have redundant BIOS chips.


Better still mobos don't have a BIOS at all.

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no Microsoft guru here, but I'm pretty sure that is untrue. NT?


Yeah, NT was based off DEC VMS and OS/2. ME was the last Windows based on MS-DOS.
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« Reply #154 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 07:52:44 »
Please don't ever mention WinME again.  Just call it Win9x, less offensive that way.

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« Reply #155 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 08:12:00 »
I agree it should not be mentioned, but ME is unworthy to be called 9x.  It was an abomination and the worst OS Microsoft has ever released.  And I'm a Microsoft fan who will argue with MS haters all day long about windows value as the best OS for an enterprise network.  Win ME didn't belong in the enterprise (The IP stack and other factors made it a piece of garbage) and it didn't belong at home (the rest of the OS was a piece of garbage)  Even MS said publicly that it should not be placed on a business network, that Win2000 was designed for that.  They pulled it from the shelves faster than any other OS, acknowledging the massive failure that it was.  It was 10x worse than Vista pre-SP1.

The best was users with ME trying to run Weatherbug.  It bluescreened faster than a plug and play parallel scanner demo.
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« Reply #156 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 08:21:04 »
I ran it on my home PC when it came out until XP came out. It didn't strike me as too bad (then again, I was maybe 11 years old or something, so my standards weren't as high as they are today) but I do remember specifically the lack of MS-DOS mode, which was a problem when trying to run old games.

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« Reply #157 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 09:30:46 »
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... [strike]ME[/strike] is unworthy to be called 9x. It was an abomination and the worst OS Microsoft has ever released ... It was 10x worse than Vista pre-SP1.
1) yes, worst OS Microsoft *or anyone else* ever released, no question, no doubt.
2) not so sure about the Vista comparison; Vista really sucks ass
3) and how exactly is post-SP1 Vista any good?
 
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I ran it on my home PC ...
Me too ... er I mean, I as well.
I remember staring at a lot of BSODs with their meaningless error codes (not even Microsoft knew what they meant or how to fix 'em), over and over again.
System Restore Points didn't actually save any important files, they just rollbacked on the Registry and ****ed **** up even worse.
Good luck finding any [strike]WinME[/strike] drivers; most developers stayed with Win98 (many were lazy and just renamed their 98 files; often didn't work) before happily embracing WinXP.
I used DOS to play DOS games, at least it didn't BSOD all the time. The godawful carnage that a genuinely buggy DOS game like XCOM would cause [strike]ME[/strike] was unbelievable and took several restarts to clear away.
 
This is the only OS in history which suffered from more compatibily, stability, and performance issues than both it's predecessor (WinNT4, Win98SE) and successor (WinXP) versions.
 
I'm not exaggerating when I say that (with hardly a second thought) I wiped every copy of this ****piece off my drives and with a smile frisbeed the disc out of my car, literally the same day I installed XP.
(Normally I'm cautious when adopting new OS builds, normally I feel bad about not packratting software I paid for no matter how useless it'll ever be again, normally I'd even feel a little guilty about wasting a CD or causing a traffic hazard or even just littering. **** that.)
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« Reply #158 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 10:04:25 »
To be fair, Vista did have a lot of good things going for it. Microsoft's first attempt to globally use clean modular processing and protected I/O (something real OS platforms like linux have emphasized for many years). New and Improved Registry and driver models which were surprisingly actually both new and improved. I approve of the inclusion of new gimmicks like WEI which are intended to help idiot users use their computers properly.
 
I disapprove of Microsoft's sudden realization that they should act on 3D. Hey look, WinXP looks exactly the same as it did 5 years ago, that's not right because we made all those service packs, so let's make the new one look really fancy regardless of the performance hit. (Y'know, some of us feel that our hardware would be better dedicated to running our programs than more useless eye-candy in our OS.)
I disapprove of the 26,383,773,304 background running processes and all the other bloat. You can't open Notepad with less than 8GB RAM unless you enable swapfile?
I disapprove of the Microsoft=Adminstrator and User=Subadministrator hierarchy.
 
Win7 has sandboxed much more (though not all) of the system. It's more streamlined and lightweight but still unacceptable. At least Microsoft actually implemented the System Nag in a decent way that doesn't make you want to punch your computer. By the time they've pushed out Win8 it should be almost as good as linux was a few years ago. Well worth paying another $250-$500 for a Genuine copy.
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« Reply #159 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 13:34:49 »
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To be fair, Vista did have a lot of good things going for it. Microsoft's first attempt to globally use clean modular processing and protected I/O (something real OS platforms like linux have emphasized for many years). New and Improved Registry and driver models which were surprisingly actually both new and improved. I approve of the inclusion of new gimmicks like WEI which are intended to help idiot users use their computers properly.
 
I disapprove of Microsoft's sudden realization that they should act on 3D. Hey look, WinXP looks exactly the same as it did 5 years ago, that's not right because we made all those service packs, so let's make the new one look really fancy regardless of the performance hit. (Y'know, some of us feel that our hardware would be better dedicated to running our programs than more useless eye-candy in our OS.)
I disapprove of the 26,383,773,304 background running processes and all the other bloat. You can't open Notepad with less than 8GB RAM unless you enable swapfile?
I disapprove of the Microsoft=Adminstrator and User=Subadministrator hierarchy.
 
Win7 has sandboxed much more (though not all) of the system. It's more streamlined and lightweight but still unacceptable. At least Microsoft actually implemented the System Nag in a decent way that doesn't make you want to punch your computer. By the time they've pushed out Win8 it should be almost as good as linux was a few years ago. Well worth paying another $250-$500 for a Genuine copy.

I actually like os eyecandy, but you can make xp look and work exactly like vista, and add things like the real vista sidebar/directx10 to it with things like alky for windows as well, and it's basically Vista, but much better and without all the early driver problems Vista had.

Windows 7 seems exactly like Vista to me, the only difference is that it has a much better driver/compatibility solved now.

If you had an nvidia chipset, your computer was basically impossible to upgrade to Vista early on, which is where much of the really bad rep came from I think.

It's not actually as resource hungry as people say it is.  I was running Vista on c2d's with 2 or 3gigs, once the drivers got sorted out, and playing fps's with little or no difference from my xp systems that had more power and more ram.

Windows was always disastrous when it first gets released, and requires tons of updates to make it work correctly.  It happened with 95, xp, me, and vista.  It always takes the second versions, 98 second edition, xp sp2 or sp3, and windows7  to make the system actually usuable.  Then no one remembers how horrible the system was to begin with, and everyone complains when the next one comes out like it's so bad.


And yeah I used ME too, and it wasn't horrible when it was initially installed.  It actually fixed a lot of driver problems that 98 had with several of my system, and in it's basic configuration worked pretty smoothly.  The problem I had with it was was when you started to actually work and add stuff to it that it would easily get, I don't know, corrupted or something, and stuff would start going wrong with it.  The reason why ME is always remembered as such a disaster is that it never really got a service pack, and xp superseded it shortly after its release.

The thing that made everyone really pissed off with Vista I think was that Microsoft had this huge campaign of having a giant beta where everyone was supposed to give their suggestions and help improve the system and make it bulletproof.  But Microsoft never seemed to actually listen to any of the suggestions, or complaints,  especially from some very famous testers like Chris Pirillo, who made a huge stink.
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« Reply #160 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 16:02:47 »
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It's not actually as resource hungry as people say it is. I was running Vista on c2d's with 2 or 3gigs, once the drivers got sorted out, and playing fps's with little or no difference from my xp systems that had more power and more ram.


Problem is that very few people had 2-3GB of RAM or Core 2 Duos at the time. Single core Pentium 4s and Athlon 64s with 0.5-1GB of RAM was the standard. Vista did not run well on these systems. It was unreliable when launched, and had all sorts of compatibility issues. XP worked, people stuck with it.

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« Reply #161 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 17:02:20 »
ME wasn't that good, but it'd definitely not as bad as Windows 98.
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« Reply #162 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 17:05:21 »
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Problem is that very few people had 2-3GB of RAM or Core 2 Duos at the time. Single core Pentium 4s and Athlon 64s with 0.5-1GB of RAM was the standard. Vista did not run well on these systems. It was unreliable when launched, and had all sorts of compatibility issues. XP worked, people stuck with it.


Windows 7 isn't really all that bad. It runs great on P4 systems.

I'd definitely take XP over Vista any day. XP still does just about everything you need to operate a computer, and it's not nearly as slow as Windows Vista. And Windows 3.1's a million times as fast as Vista, but there's not too much software made for it anymore.
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« Reply #163 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 17:10:57 »
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ME wasn't that good, but it'd definitely not as bad as Windows 98.



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« Reply #164 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 18:31:23 »
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I think I disagree with Apple DOS.  Should DOS versions that don't run on x86's be included?


I was referring to various OSes that were called DOS in general, not just IBM 5150-compatible x86 OSes.

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« Reply #165 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 19:02:26 »
There were a lot of DOS's. MS-DOS was Microsoft's DOS.
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« Reply #166 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 19:04:15 »
Really? Tell us more.

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« Reply #167 on: Mon, 06 September 2010, 19:06:32 »
I've got a feeling you've got the mental capacity to see that MS-DOS is Microsoft's DOS.
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« Reply #168 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 10:55:01 »
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« Reply #169 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 11:51:45 »
which browser (and more importantly, which version)?
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« Reply #170 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 11:55:58 »
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Well, I think I found the new minimum hardware config. Problem is the browser isn't liking vBulletin's URL scheme, so I'm on the hunt for another (it can read the main forum index but not get into subforums or threads. Interestingly, it does work with the newer version of vBulletin).
80286-10, 2.6MB of RAM.


Impressive... but with only 6Mhz and 2Mb more, I'd rather have full graphical browser that can view threads and post. (Amiga 3000/16 - same year as your PS/2)


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« Reply #171 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 13:25:13 »
Lynx is not a DOS port of links or elinks. they are separate, portable (cross-platform), and open source C applications, all of them (in other words, lynx exists on *nix as well, I know cause it's still developed and I use it fairly often). Anyway, my point was that you can probably build a later version easily enough.
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« Reply #172 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 13:51:17 »
do you (or does DOS) come with a free C compiler. is there a GCC built for DOS? how does the MS world deal with these things. get the source for lynx and build that sucka!
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« Reply #173 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 14:32:52 »
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I ran it on my home PC when it came out until XP came out. It didn't strike me as too bad (then again, I was maybe 11 years old or something, so my standards weren't as high as they are today) but I do remember specifically the lack of MS-DOS mode, which was a problem when trying to run old games.

I was SO MAD and absolutely shocked when my DOS games didn't work on XP. Bill ruined windows by disabling MS-DOS to the user! It's actually more like degrading than upgrading.


Mind you SOME DOS games work, and those that do have trouble running or quit suddenly. Thanks a lot Bill... I hope that baby made your shirt stink:


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Better still mobos don't have a BIOS at all.

Yeah, NT was based off DEC VMS and OS/2. ME was the last Windows based on MS-DOS.

ALL versions of windows have MS-DOS lurking in the back somewhere (oh believe me, there's a lot of legacy things lurking... silent... in waiting). Doesn't the XBOX even have some legacy MS-DOS stuff caked in it too? It wouldn't surprise me... I guess you could truly call it a "DOSBOX" then.
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« Reply #174 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 14:49:55 »
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Bill ruined windows by disabling MS-DOS to the user!


Well, there was no MS-DOS in the NT systems to disable, so yeah, whatever.

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ALL versions of windows have MS-DOS lurking in the back somewhere


Not the NT ones. They have MS-DOS emulation, but no actual DOS itself. The 64-bit versions of XP/Vista/7 removed this.

Bare in mind that the whole point of NT was to completely remove all 16-bit DOS from Windows. The codebase was rewritten from scratch by DEC engineers that MS brought in.

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Doesn't the XBOX even have some legacy MS-DOS stuff caked in it too?


Now you're just taking the piss.
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« Reply #175 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 15:33:12 »
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Well, there was no MS-DOS in the NT systems to disable, so yeah, whatever.

Not the NT ones. They have MS-DOS emulation, but no actual DOS itself. The 64-bit versions of XP/Vista/7 removed this.

Bare in mind that the whole point of NT was to completely remove all 16-bit DOS from Windows. The codebase was rewritten from scratch by DEC engineers that MS brought in.

Now you're just taking the piss.


I thought Mark Lucovsky did most of the programming for NT?

No, just becaue windows uses the NT kernel doesn't mean there's some MS-DOS legacy stuff in the background. It's impossible to remove MS-DOS unless Microsoft completely rewrites windows eliminating all previous comaptibility. Of course they won't do that.
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« Reply #176 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 15:50:21 »
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I thought Mark Lucovsky did most of the programming for NT?


Dave Cutler was the guy who did most of the design. The OS was based off DEC VMS, RT-11, and some experimental one that never made it to production, all of which he designed.

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No, just becaue windows uses the NT kernel doesn't mean there's some MS-DOS legacy stuff in the background. It's impossible to remove MS-DOS unless Microsoft completely rewrites windows eliminating all previous comaptibility.


Go Go Reading Comprehension Skills!

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The codebase was rewritten from scratch by DEC engineers that MS brought in.


You don't need code of an operating system to achieve compatibility with it in another. Even Unix systems like Linux or OS X can support a load of Windows apps using Wine.

But as you so correctly pointed out, NT, 2000 and XP did not support a load of all games, this was because they were designed to use the underlying DOS environment which was not present in the newer Windows. A lot of 90s games will have "Not compatible with NT" written on the back.
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« Reply #177 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 16:16:36 »
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Go Go Reading Comprehension Skills!


I don't think a typo constitutes towards reading comprehension. Now using "it's" consecutively for "its" is.

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You don't need code of an operating system to achieve compatibility with it in another. Even Unix systems like Linux or OS X can support a load of Windows apps using Wine.

But as you so correctly pointed out, NT, 2000 and XP did not support a load of all games, this was because they were designed to use the underlying DOS environment which was not present in the newer Windows. A lot of 90s games will have "Not compatible with NT" written on the back.


Well Games like "Siege of Avalon," though not supported on NT, do run with XP. I've had no issues with it... yet.

And it's not always about compatibility, M$ disabled many DOS functions (many of which I believe are still there -- come on, MS-DOS is a tiny dinky thing), even though windows (in itself regardless of the NT kernel), still has many legacy stuff all deep in there.
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« Reply #178 on: Wed, 08 September 2010, 16:24:10 »
Typos are unimportant. Replying against a post in a way that demonstrates that you didn't read it...

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Well Games like "Siege of Avalon,"


Was this a DirectX game? NT4 didn't support beyond DX3 (IIRC) because of the way it locked down access to video drivers. MS changed this in 2k so that DirectX could interface with the drivers properly.

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M$ disabled many DOS functions


Such as?

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even though windows (in itself regardless of the NT kernel), still has many legacy stuff all deep in there.


Such as?

And it wasn't the kernel. The whole underlying OS is different to DOS and the DOS-based Windows versions.

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« Reply #179 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 06:59:21 »
IIRC, there is a small amount of DOS code in 32-bit versions of Windows NT (including 2000, XP, Server 2003, Vista, Server 2008, and 7.)

However, it's in the NTVDM, which is a subsystem that runs on top of Windows NT, and is only used by DOS and Windows 3.1 applications.

Relative to older versions of NT, 2000 and XP significantly ADDED functions to the NTVDM to support the... shortcuts... that DOS and Windows 3.1 developers made when developing their applications. It's not that MS "removed DOS functionality" from XP, it's that MS had trouble supporting the software of third-party DOS developers that were used to touching hardware directly, and keeping them from touching the hardware while making things still work. Oh, and they can't have much overhead - NTVDM was designed to run well on a 386.

NTVDM, in concept, is quite similar to running DOS in a virtual machine, although with a lot less overhead. (Also, early versions actually were EMULATORS, because they needed to run on platforms other than x86.)

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« Reply #180 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 07:06:14 »
This was what I was referring to when I said that DOS was emulated/virtualized in NT. But the underlying OS is not in any way DOS based.

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« Reply #181 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 07:18:47 »
Regardless of how much MSDOS might or might not be coded into XP, that fact is that if no amount of tinkering in XP (even with virtual machines or DOSBox) can run the game/app it will still run with an MSDOS boot session.
 
You can download images for MSDOS622 boot (or even the Install Disks) all over the place. If you need MSDOS a lot then it's worth putting onto a bootable (2GB) partition.
 
If you still can't achieve compatibility (because of insurmountable hardware conflicts) they you just gotta use an older machine.

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« Reply #182 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 07:53:17 »
I wonder why MS didn't include some full DOS virtualization mode with XP. Granted machines of the day didn't have the virtualization tech we have today, but on the other hand - it's MS-DOS. It's little more than a glorified machine console monitor...

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NTVDM, in concept, is quite similar to running DOS in a virtual machine, although with a lot less overhead. (Also, early versions actually were EMULATORS, because they needed to run on platforms other than x86.)


AFAIK, chunks of the NT system itself had to be emulated on certain other architectures, which lead to it running much faster on x86 machines, even thought other architectures such as Alpha were much faster than the contemporary x86 chips of the day.
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« Reply #183 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 09:44:55 »
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I wonder why MS didn't include some full DOS virtualization mode with XP. Granted machines of the day didn't have the virtualization tech we have today, but on the other hand - it's MS-DOS. It's little more than a glorified machine console monitor...
Yeah, it's not much more than just a file execution prompt with some integrated commands. I suppose the full MSDOS "package" with protected mode EMM386, SCANDISK, DEFRAG, DRVSPACE, EDIT, DEBUG, etc might begin to qualify as something approaching a "real" OS. You might even claim that TSRs could allow some sort of multitasking.
 
I suppose that MS didn't include it because they no longer wanted any obligation to constantly support DOS itself and DOS apps. Ever. It's also harder to convince people to pay for new OS versions when they can buy apps that run on old ones. And there were too many non-MS DOS alternatives available. And too many pirated copies of MSDOS. More profit in Windows. It could even be argued that Win95 was a real upgrade, kinda. Win98 certainly was.

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« Reply #184 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 09:58:00 »
Well, given that the Pro/Enterprise/Ultimate editions of Windows 7 come bundle with an integrated Windows XP license and VM...

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« Reply #185 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 10:04:31 »
You have to download the XP VM component, not really what I'd call integrated.
 
I haven't had any luck using it (on my Win7 Ult 32) to install XPDM drivers (when W7 system HDD is moved into my old i865G P4 mobo). Other than that I haven't personally found any XP-native apps which won't run on W7 (some require a little initial tweaking, but still work perfectly, discounting things like TweakXP of course).
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« Reply #186 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 10:51:22 »
It's integrated in the sense of how it interacts with the OS when it is installed. I assume they don't bundle with all installations because A) It takes up a lot of space for something that not everyone is going to use and B) not all systems that meet the recommend spec for Windows 7 necessarily support virtualization at usable speeds.

MS' virtual machine software is absolute bollocks, but it's the thought that counts I guess.

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« Reply #187 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 11:01:54 »
You forgot reason #3 ... Microsoft wants to track every copy of major components like XPVM with a logged Genuine Windows and GUID (and user info like registered user name/etc entered after Windows installation is complete). When too many pirated copies are confirmed to be floating around they can be deactivated/blacklisted en masse as necessary.
 
They do the same thing with DX, WMP, IE, SDKs, and of course the WinOS itself lol.
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« Reply #188 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 11:06:17 »
MS isn't the only company that does that... they weren't the first, and they weren't the last.

One of the more interesting examples I have seen is DEC's VMS, which has a unified licensing system integrated into the OS. All software, both from the OS vendor and from third parties, are licensed through this. I think DEC's Unix implementations did this too.

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« Reply #189 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 11:30:31 »
Ah, I've seen controversy about this before on consumer PC software. MS has been maligned forever of course. Blizzard was sued for (and rapidly disabled) the "contaminant" software they included in a SC patch (it would detect, report, and allow deactivation of any Blizzard software found on the PC).
 
I don't even wanna think about all the countless software I've seen which shoves hidden malware in place to extort money or otherwise make a buck from the user.
 
The VMS licensing repository you mention actually seems intelligent. Another good way to secure against crapware and tampering. Too bad I don't have any Alpha or Itanium machines to run it on, lol.
 
I wish MS had done a better job implementing that idea with their **** Windows (Un)Installer.

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« Reply #190 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 11:34:26 »
Well, when I say "all software", I mean all software that needs to be licensed. Open source utils work without needing any additional poking.

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« Reply #191 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 17:23:16 »
I don't think Microsoft will ever blacklist or de-activate my pirated copy of Windows 3.1.
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« Reply #192 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 19:19:08 »
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I don't think Microsoft will ever blacklist or de-activate my pirated copy of Windows 3.1.


Is that why you think it's better to use an antiquated OS?

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« Reply #193 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 19:51:51 »
One of the reasons. But the main reason why I use Windows 3.1 is because I like it. It's not as boring as Windows XP and 7.
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« Reply #194 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 19:56:20 »
That only happens if you install their updates, and never happens with xp.  Once xp is activated it's good to go, even if it's pirated.  The only reason it might get deactivated is if you reinstall it in another system or something.  Then that messes it up.  If you have a vlc copy though, which most good pirated copies are that doesn't really even bother it much.  You can also get xp systems like "black xp" which are almost completely rewritten versions of windows xp, with nothing to worry about activation either, that are as good or better than Vista/7.  Windows 7 is the first one to actually deactivate you if you have a pirated boot loader, it'll mess your system up.  But you can choose not to install that update, and there are also bootloaders that don't care about that update as well.
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« Reply #195 on: Thu, 09 September 2010, 20:18:30 »
I also got a handy Dell disk that gives me unlimited legal installs of Windows XP without prompting me for a product key. I got 7 installations off of that disk running on assorted computers as of now and everything works great.
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« Reply #196 on: Fri, 10 September 2010, 00:43:07 »
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« Reply #197 on: Fri, 10 September 2010, 05:36:41 »
"Not boring" is a quality I like in women and books. For operating systems, I like things that work.

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« Reply #198 on: Fri, 10 September 2010, 05:58:38 »
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« Reply #199 on: Sat, 11 September 2010, 18:14:23 »
On the subject of licenses, I've swapped everything except the graphics card in this computer, and Windows still hasn't had a whine at me. It'll be interesting to see if it complains when I swap the hard drive out (I'm going to clone it) sometime next week.