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Offline CHAOSERA

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Hello,guys. We're CHAOSREA.
Today, we're bring you guys the infomation about EAU-V2



Since the amount of information in this update is relatively large, so that everyone can see the key points faster, I deleted the first IC and republished it.
At the same time, we have reviewed the energy invested in the suspended structure.
If anyone wants to see the key points directly, you can skip the first part and start reading from the second part.

You are also welcome to join our discord channel to learn more details:
https://discord.gg/DJugeDXu






Ⅰ.Development Timeline
On July 21, 2023
During a routine product meeting, our engineers proposed the concept of a suspended structure.
Since this idea originated from architectural design, it garnered a lot of interest, and we quickly decided to pursue it.




Structure parts (Inspired by suspension bridge)


On July 28, 2023
The general design for both appearance and structure was confirmed.
However, the structure was completely new to us, making it difficult to accurately predict overall performance.
Blindly creating prototypes could lead to numerous trials without achieving satisfactory results.
Therefore, we decided to collaborate with a force analysis studio to determine a clear direction first.




From September to November 2023,
the key three months of the design phase, the studio experienced constant debates regarding the product.

We produced three appearance samples and continuously adjusted the details,
especially the ratio of the front frame and the recessed height of the backplate
(to enhance the three-dimensional effect and create a stronger visual impact).
The recessed height, in particular, was repeatedly adjusted due to its direct relationship with the internal space and front height.

During this period, we contacted a professional force analysis studio.
With their assistance, we designed five versions of structural spring plates.
In the fifth design iteration, we found a suitable spring plate that showed excellent resonance control in the data.


Testing date


Sample adjustment


From December 2023 to March 2024,
since the appearance had already been confirmed, these months were relatively less demanding.
The focus was on adjusting the tactile feedback of the structural spring plates.
During this period, we produced four more samples, adjusting the thickness, adding reinforcing ribs, and hollowing out sections to fine-tune the tactile feedback.

However, the long wait time due to the Chinese New Year holiday was frustrating
(we have decided never to schedule new product samples around the New Year again :().
After confirming all components, we sent a comprehensive prototype to our community members for testing.

One member suggested an intriguing idea: since the structure was based on a suspension bridge, we could also try a design inspired by an arch bridge.
Although we were almost ready to wrap up this project, the idea was so compelling that we decided to create a new sample combining both structural approaches.


Different samples made from alloys with different compositions


Silicone parts of different hardness



Ⅱ.Details of the structure
Structural Components:
This structure is composed of the following three components:


Stainless Steel Beam


Beryllium Copper Spring


Shock-Absorbing Silicone


The purpose of this structure is twofold:
first, to further eliminate resonance, and second, to provide a typing experience that is "springy but firm, with strong feedback."
The specific installation method involves securing the inner part to the beryllium copper spring using shock-absorbing silicone.
The beryllium copper spring is then attached to the stainless steel beam with screws,
and the beam is fixed to the top case of the keyboard.
Therefore, strictly speaking, our structure is a variant of the Top mount.
(as we understand it, Top mount is where the inner case is secured to the top case with screws).








Regarding Resonance Elimination
The suspension structure suspends the inner part within the keyboard's top case.
When the spring plate in the structure is subjected to keypress force,
it can gradually diminish the resonance due to the material properties and the curved design of the spring plate, thereby achieving the effect of eliminating resonance.





Separating "Soft" and "Springy" as Two Concepts
By structurally limiting the downward travel of the inner case, we can reduce the dissipative feel during typing.
Meanwhile, the material elasticity and curvature of the spring plate enhance the feedback feel of the keyboard during typing.
Thus, this structure differs from the softness of a gasket and the rigidity of a fully fixed Top mount.
It is a relatively balanced solution, primarily aimed at providing comfortable long-term use.





At the same time, this structure provides two structural solutions
Which we call "suspension bridge mode" and "arch bridge mode".
It is realized by the formal installation and reverse installation of the beryllium copper shrapnel. Interested friends can try it themselves.
In the "arch bridge mode", the keyboard's typing feel will become harder.


"Arch mode"


"Suspension mode"

We will also release a video explaining this structure. If you are interested, please follow our Youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/@chaoseralab5219


« Last Edit: Fri, 02 August 2024, 21:14:28 by CHAOSERA »

Offline HereisVic

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A very interesting structure, but in my opinion, the "Arch" structure should be more springy. I don't know if you are mistaken. I look forward to your actual test video.

Offline Asukazzz

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A very interesting structure, but in my opinion, the "Arch" structure should be more springy. I don't know if you are mistaken. I look forward to your actual test video.
I agree with you,really want to try it.

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So glad to see you guys are interested in this structure. Please wait for our video, which will have a demonstration of the actual effect.

Offline garrdub

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pardon my ignorance, but is this not just gasket mount with extra steps?

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pardon my ignorance, but is this not just gasket mount with extra steps?

Emmm....I think you may have a little misunderstanding about the gasket mount.

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2024/6/8 Update


Offline xLeHoy

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Interesting approach for sure, wonder how it actually feels when typing

Offline HungerMechanic

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Watching this with interest, since top-mount is a good mounting system for light-tactiles.

Maybe worth trying with something like AKKO Jelly Purple, to see if it improves crispness, while softening bottom-out.

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2024/6/12 Update

Ⅲ. Overall appearance & color selection

The layered side lines are a major design highlight of the Eau75V1.
The sides of the Eau75V1 consist of multiple sets of gentle curves, comfortable and natural.
In contrast, the side lines of the Eau75V2 are more aggressive, stacking rich layers with strong, bold lines.

If the side lines of the Eau75R1 are like a slow, gentle stream, soft and elegant, akin to water flowing leisurely through a forest path,
then the side lines of the Eau75V2 are like a turbulent current, strong and powerful, resembling a rushing torrent plunging down a towering cliff.

The Eau75V2 will offer three parts for color matching: the top case, bottom case, and rear weight. Each of these parts will be available in four to five colors.









Originally, our plan was to offer 4-5 attractive color options for you to choose from, just like before.
However, during our discussions with the designer about color schemes, we realized that the layered and textured sides of the Eau75V2 look amazing in various color combinations.
So, we decided to take the plunge and give you the freedom to choose your own color combinations.

With this approach, including the three different counterweight styles, there will be hundreds of possible combinations.
You could fully enjoy (and agonize over) the fun of customizing your keyboard using the color preview website below.(Will relese once we done.)





Ⅳ. Weights
We offer two different materials for the counterweights: aluminum and stainless steel

Aluminum weight:
The aluminum counterweight features a 220-grit anodized finish, providing a delicate and silky touch.
It is engraved with the English signature "Eau," giving it a simple and elegant look.









Stainless Steel weight:
The stainless steel counterweight will undergo mirror polishing and be adorned with laser-engraved patterns.
The design is inspired by two intertwining streams, echoing the original meaning of "Eau."





Ⅴ. Special Feature: Unique Keycap

To be honest, the 75% layout offers limited space for front-side design.
To avoid making the front look too plain, we have added a small feature based on this theme.
In the upper right corner of the keyboard, we have created a small nameplate with key functionality.
The nameplate has two stems underneath, allowing it to be directly mounted on switches and pressed.
You can decide whether to keep its key functionality via the VIA software.



Welcome to our discord to learn more: https://discord.gg/DJugeDXu
« Last Edit: Mon, 08 July 2024, 05:08:40 by CHAOSERA »

Offline Surefoot

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 13 June 2024, 03:21:35 »
We offer three different materials for the counterweights: aluminum and stainless steel
That's 2 not 3 :)

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 13 June 2024, 05:23:32 »
We offer three different materials for the counterweights: aluminum and stainless steel
That's 2 not 3 :)

Corrected! Thx :)

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 13 June 2024, 10:08:56 »
What layout options are supported?

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 13 June 2024, 23:18:08 »
Both ANSI and ISO layouts are supported, but the 7U spacebar is not supported.

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 14 June 2024, 05:43:58 »
I love this design.It's front is very simple,with all the borders looking perfectly proportioned.The sides and back,however,give the keyboard a highly districts look.Oh my,this is definitely a great design.

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 14 June 2024, 11:22:43 »
So incredibly excited for this project. The design is beautiful and I cannot wait to see what colors you offer to mix and match. Have you decided on plate materials ?

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 16 June 2024, 20:22:42 »
So incredibly excited for this project. The design is beautiful and I cannot wait to see what colors you offer to mix and match. Have you decided on plate materials ?
Thanks for your supporting! The colorways website is close to ready, we'll update it here once it done. Pls stay tuned.
« Last Edit: Mon, 17 June 2024, 01:27:10 by CHAOSERA »

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 17 June 2024, 21:35:32 »
2024/6/18 Update
Sound test


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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 21 June 2024, 02:25:08 »
2024/6/21 Update

http://47.121.122.104/

We made a site for you guys to make your own Eau75V2 welcome to try!
Let us know if you want more color in!






« Last Edit: Fri, 21 June 2024, 02:35:52 by CHAOSERA »

Offline Bennettb

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 21 June 2024, 22:28:24 »
Both ANSI and ISO layouts are supported, but the 7U spacebar is not supported.

Love the idea and concept!! It would be cool to feel a bit of side-to-side motion when typing depending on how flexible the 'bridge' piece is. I would really like a 7u spacebar though.

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 22 June 2024, 04:54:28 »
Both ANSI and ISO layouts are supported, but the 7U spacebar is not supported.

Thanks for supporting ISO. Looks like an interesting design. What's the front height of the board?

At the risk of being boring, perhaps offer the board in black as one of the colour options.

Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #21 on: Sat, 22 June 2024, 08:52:57 »
Any chance for Silver as a Top Case color?

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 24 June 2024, 20:44:06 »
Both ANSI and ISO layouts are supported, but the 7U spacebar is not supported.

Thanks for supporting ISO. Looks like an interesting design. What's the front height of the board?

At the risk of being boring, perhaps offer the board in black as one of the colour options.

The front height of this board is 20.75. Currently, we are considering adding a silver anodized option because the black color in previous kits didn't sell well. It seems that black isn't quite suitable for us.

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 24 June 2024, 20:47:44 »
The feel of this structure should be very comfortable, with the possibility of buffering. ;D ;D

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 25 June 2024, 00:41:06 »
Yes, compared to TOP mount, this structure makes it feel more springy,without giving a rigid sensation

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 26 June 2024, 02:31:48 »
Any chance for Silver as a Top Case color?

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It has been confirmed to add the silver top case

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 05 July 2024, 05:31:54 »
2024/7/5 Update

We just got the sample of the keycap.
Let's have a look!









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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 05 July 2024, 20:37:02 »
Mount is interesting, but 75%, no 7u and overall design language make it a hard pass. Try a WKL 60% with the same mount and simple wedge and you would attract some enthusiasts to it. It seems you spent a ton of effort on the prototyping which for random new companies is not a typical thing, now just fix the rest of it and you got an interesting project.

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #28 on: Sat, 06 July 2024, 20:58:09 »
The Discord invitation is expired. Could you please recreate it ?
Edit: I've just joined your Discord using link in stabilizer post :).
« Last Edit: Sat, 06 July 2024, 21:02:02 by rfcclub »

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 07 July 2024, 01:51:57 »
Mount is interesting, but 75%, no 7u and overall design language make it a hard pass. Try a WKL 60% with the same mount and simple wedge and you would attract some enthusiasts to it. It seems you spent a ton of effort on the prototyping which for random new companies is not a typical thing, now just fix the rest of it and you got an interesting project.
What you said makes sense. We will work hard to launch more products.
« Last Edit: Sun, 07 July 2024, 21:54:15 by CHAOSERA »

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 07 July 2024, 01:53:12 »
The Discord invitation is expired. Could you please recreate it ?
Edit: I've just joined your Discord using link in stabilizer post :).
Yeah, of course.

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 07 July 2024, 01:55:02 »
I found that our discord link is broken, here is the new link:https://discord.gg/DJugeDXu

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 10 July 2024, 11:16:45 »
Hi! Care to explain the similarity on this post? ;)
https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/amwkomgBKEJ1

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 10 July 2024, 17:17:56 »
Both ANSI and ISO layouts are supported, but the 7U spacebar is not supported.
Wish u make an option for 7u, I really like 7u on 75%, 6.25u is too boring
« Last Edit: Wed, 10 July 2024, 17:20:31 by KenCk »

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #34 on: Sat, 13 July 2024, 00:57:54 »
Both ANSI and ISO layouts are supported, but the 7U spacebar is not supported.
Wish u make an option for 7u, I really like 7u on 75%, 6.25u is too boring
Sorry, but for the sake of PCB stability we have added too many electronic components which are concentrated in the space positions.
So it was very difficult for us to add the 7u space option.
« Last Edit: Sat, 13 July 2024, 01:00:17 by CHAOSERA »

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 14 July 2024, 14:06:31 »
2024/7/14 Update
Hello everyone, this is CHAOSERA.
We have made some changes to the Eau75V2 and made sample again.
We changed the assembly, the screws that lock the top and bottom cases will be driven in from the outside.
This was done to make assembly easier and also better typing sounds.



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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 21 July 2024, 20:41:23 »
2024/7/22 Update
We made new aluminum weights.
It's beautiful!



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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 01 August 2024, 02:53:58 »
2024/8/1 Update
Eau75V2 Sample Update





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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 08 August 2024, 21:05:01 »
We have created a Q&A form for Eau75V2.
 We hope everyone can express their opinions in the form.
Thanks!
Google form:https://forms.gle/eiEnj8Q4hyB1J9gq9
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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #39 on: Sat, 31 August 2024, 05:20:58 »
2024/8/31 Update

We will use a new material as the case foam.--- HF Foam (HexaFiber Foam)







The specific composition of HexaFiber Foam results in a deeper and slightly muffled typing sound, adding a distinct character to every keystroke.

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 31 August 2024, 13:31:57 »
2024/8/31 Update

We will use a new material as the case foam.--- HF Foam (HexaFiber Foam)

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The specific composition of HexaFiber Foam results in a deeper and slightly muffled typing sound, adding a distinct character to every keystroke.


Yo this is super neat. Glad to see you guys updating the thread occasionally! Still keeping my eyes open for when the GB gets laucned  ;D

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #41 on: Sat, 31 August 2024, 14:03:22 »
One small question about ISO support.
Will it be just ISO Enter ? Or full ISO (left shift, enter...) ?

Thanks

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 01 September 2024, 20:36:42 »
Yes, it supports the full ISO layout.

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 01 September 2024, 23:58:22 »
Thanks.

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Re: [IC]Eau75V2 - After nearly a year, we finally completed a new mount!
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 03 September 2024, 20:47:42 »
2024/8/31 Update

We will use a new material as the case foam.--- HF Foam (HexaFiber Foam)

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Show Image


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The specific composition of HexaFiber Foam results in a deeper and slightly muffled typing sound, adding a distinct character to every keystroke.


Yo this is super neat. Glad to see you guys updating the thread occasionally! Still keeping my eyes open for when the GB gets laucned  ;D
Join our Discord: https://discord.gg/8dPDNAfJ.
The GB information will be updated in the channel as soon as possible.